>>731049708
He a broke ass nigga

His footsoldiers and knights suck ass so they're out doing patrols while the mercs who aren't actually total dogshit look after his house.

>>731049756
/thread

>>731049708
he grafted them

>>731049708
Why was Maduro's guard made of Cubans?
Also the Banished Knights probably came with the castle. They use storm magic and all that. The Godrick Knights came later. And some already betrayed him.

>>731049708
All of his soldiers were wiped out at the battle of Leyndell and when he realized he was about to be crushed, he stole shit due to knowing how to sneak in and ran away.

>>731049708
He has them out doing Tarnished hunts.

For me?
It's the lordsworn straight sword

>>731049708
Because Stormveil Castle isn't his. He's just occupying it. The Exile Soldiers that staff it are on penal duty, as are the Banished Knights. They're all probably there to keep an eye on Godrick for Morgott, because he could summon himself through an unwilling vessel anytime he wanted and kick Godrick's ass.

Stormveil Castle is Godrick's prison. It's a gilded prison, he can do just about anything he wants there, but he's probably not allowed to leave.

>>731052289
Is there any proof of this? It makes a lot of sense and reveals the depth of Morgott's loyalty to the golden lineage, but I don't recall any lore beats supporting this.

>>731052652
>Exile hood: Deep red hood that covers the whole head.
>"Worn by soldiers sent to the penal colonies, who were required to keep their faces hidden."

>Banished Knight Helm (Altered): Thick, full set of armor covering the entire body.
>"This helm was worn by knights who, whether by misfortune or misdeed, were forced to abandon their homes.
>These fierce warriors were each and all accomplished. Perhaps that is why, despite their territorial losses, they were still named knights."

>All Exile Soldiers and Banished Knights can use Storm skills, which Godrick also uses, and are symbolic of Stormveil's territory
>We also know Godrick fled Leyndell disguised as a woman, and tried to fight Malenia before getting his ass kicked and begged to be spared while groveling at her feet
>We also see his soldiers throughout Limgrave and the Weeping Penninsula, Castle Morne is owned by Godrick and Edgar, Irina's father, is a Banished Knight assigned to oversee the castle there

>>731052897
None of that implies they're Godrick's jailers - also it's very weird the Banished knights that use Storm arts in Stormveil castle remain there despite "territorial losses" and banishment. Unless Stormveil is radioactive and makes storms inhabit all who dwell there

>>731053134
Pretty sure the name is just fluff.
Otherwise they're all jusy coincidentally banished to places with storms.

>>731053246
I think it's clear they're remnant forces of the Storm Lord. Which makes calling them Banished kinda... retarded.

>>731053339
My guess is they used to be Leyndell soldiers and relocated to Stormveil, where they learned the storm magic that's inherent there. Godfrey's crown says that he once conquered the "Storm Lord", and Stormhawk Deenh served the Stormhawk King, who seemed to rule Stormveil before the Golden Order conquered the Lands Between.

>>731053557
That doesn't match up with their lore at all. If you just take their armour description for granted They're all banished knights and exiles after Godfrey killed the storm lord. They all had to find their own shit to do after that point, and that's why you find them so diversified everywhere seemingly doing their own thing. Most went on to join the forces of the order, and Niall in particular liked them so much he fucked off to the mountaintops to make a home for them but then they all died or some shit.

The point is going by their armour, there really shouldn't be any of them still in Stormveil, unless you want to suppose that with the complete fall of the order they've come back home with no one else occupying the castle, and they just kinda let the golden runt do whatever

>>731053739
My 80IQ schizo theory is that they the Banished Knights of Godwyn.
Banished for failing to protect him.

Because you find them in a bunch of places associated with him.
Godrick is probably Godwyn's descendant, and storm magic is associated with Godfrey's bloodline in general. The Stormcaller Church in Altus has stuff from Godwyn's dragon cult in it, so that might confirm he could call storms too (or at least some priests around him).
Then you see they hunt lesser drakes to use their magic and guard dragon heart sacrifice churches or live in the city of dragons - stuff Godwyn plausibly was involved in as the ancient dragon dude. And finally Castle Sol has a big shrine to Godwyn in it and is dedicated to causing the Eclipse that would kill/revive him and is almost entirely populated by banished knights.
Also the Death Knight helmet looks kinda like a dressed up Banished Knight helmet. And they fight similarly to Banished Knights.

Big flaws are that none of them hang out in Deeproot Depths nor the the DLC catacombs, nor is any of this made explict when it would be something the devs would have no reason to hide.
They also only use storm or dragon communion magic instead of lightning.

>>731053339
Well, Godfrey (+the rest of the tarnished) were indeed banished, so his former knights could be called Banished Knights because their lord was banished

>>731054668
I don't think it's fair to say that storm magic is associated with godfrey's bloodline. Godrick is manifestly aberrant, and I can see him being retarded enough to try and learn storm powers if it was easy enough, despite missing the obvious truth that they're weaker than his father's martial strength. Banished knights never use dragon cult incantations, only ever dragon communion. So I think its also tenuous to say they're Godwyn's. Besides, we see what his knights are like in the DLC. (biggest fucking wasted lore in the game) I feel like Stormcaller is a misnomer but you could be right after all the stormcaller axe summons storm AND lightning, so we can't say that there's absolutely no relation there, though to my knowledge the dragons do not know storm magic. The closest they get is the one move they flap their wings a lot and blow you around. You do bring up something I completely glossed over though, It's true that dragon cult and dragon communion could be two sides of the same faith, after all, it's revealed that true ancient dragons support communion and the hunting of drakes.

You know the more I respond to you the closer the ties between the two factions seem to be.

>>731054668
>And finally Castle Sol has a big shrine to Godwyn in it
Not this shit again.

>>731054939
Godrick and Nepheli are meant to show the duality of Godfrey's descendants and both use storm magic to fight, is my view of that association. Two sides of the same coin, where one took his heritage and fucked it all up and the other represents her bloodline proudly.
Also Godfrey/Hoarah Loux's roars and stuff are kinda stormy. But I'm probably reading too much into something that isn't intended.

I'm making shit up, but I am imagining that Godwyn approved his soldiers hunting lesser drakes as a favor to his allies (the ancient dragons) who were trying to genocide all of them. His soldiers were basically helping out his other buddies and getting more powerful for it. Some friendship there could explain how the Banished Knights even got inside Farum Azula in the first place given that it is literally floating in the middle of nowhere and they're using dragon communion spells, when there's no drakes nor church around to commune in.
But this is just me writing fanfiction when we have ZERO info about Godwyn's feelings on anything. I might as well publish it on fanfiction.net or something.

I think there's some storm stuff to the dragons though, given that Farum Azula is floating in a giant tornado and Placidusax lives at the center of it.
He doesn't use any storms in the fight, but he can summon a giant tornado to hide away his ancient city.
So there's something with them being able to do it, but they don't use them in any fights which is a big issue with that claim.

>>731055704
I wonder what they'll do going forward. ER lore is kinda shit and high highfalutin compared to dark souls. Also I miss hexes and darkness having cosmological relevance. "death sorcery" just being magic and having like 2 weapons that don't even scale off int/fai feels bad.

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>>731055693
?
Whats up pimp?
They have a whole church in the middle of the place that is all about Godwyn's Eclipse thing.
The Eclipse thing is for Godwyn and the other dead gods isn't it?

>>731055878
NTA but I think the eclipse probably predates Golden Order, and they're just trying to use it.

>>731055870
Yeah, it definitely ain't my favorite they've done.
Bloodborne is the game that I had the most fun dicking around with figuring out the story.
That one was self-contained and had just enough weirdness to keep it interesting to talk about. There felt like a method to the madness and an actual single history to everything that was planned out.
With Elden Ring there's just too much stuff in the game and I know for sure half of it was just placed there randomly or because they needed to fill space, and other stuff is meant to tell you something meaningful, and you really can't tell each from the other.

I typed up a few thousand words about this random possible tenuous connection between a vague group of elite mobs that otherwise don't really make a lot of sense and a dead dude we have like two sentences of information about and I feel no more able to understand what they were going for than when I started.
Dark Souls and Bloodborne were way easier to talk about.

>>731055878
Yeah it is, one of the ghosts mention it
Also something interesting to think about is Godwyn being connected to the sun in general and how the sun in ER is dim, pitiful and half-dead
We just don't notice it because the erdtree provides most of the light

>>731056042
The game describes the Knights of the Mausoleum as being "cursed", willfully, to protect their lords from destined death. I think as the black knives started merking demigods, a faction realized that the golden order didn't have an answer to this, and so they turned to heresy and looked into deathbird rituals and pagan rites to preserve their lords. The wings on the knight armour explicitly reference the deathbirds, a pre GO figure related to death rites. As far as I'm ableto see, all mentions of the eclipse tie it back to representing the mausoleums, but there's really nothing about the mausoleums that have anything to do with eclipses, so I would say it's likely the other way around, and the eclipse is an ancient symbol of the deathbird cults, that the integrated into the mausoleums, which then co-opted the imagery for their shields.

>>731055870
ER has spaghetti lore even by Fromsoft standards, it's so disappointing how little they cared about it fleshing it out. The setting and characters are interesting enough. They just let them down.

>>731055878
Godwyn has nothing to do with Castle Sol's Eclipse. It's one of Miquella's many different plans, and also one of many that didn't work out. The Haligtree was meant to both be a replacement for the Erdtree, and to break his and his sister's curses. It failed to achieve either goal.

By all evidence it was Miquella attempting to resurrect the soulless demigod in the Walking Mausoleum outside Castle Sol, as all those demigods are Marika's unwanted children, written out of history, and Miquella tends to care for the downtrodden and forgotten. However, this still failed.

>>731056042
>Yeah it is, one of the ghosts mention it
No. There's two noble ghosts in Castle Sol, and they say
>"Ohh great sun! Frigid sun of Sol! Surrender yourself to the eclipse! Grand life to the soulless bones!"
and
>"Lord Miquella, forgive me. The sun has not been swallowed. Our prayers were lacking. Your comrade remains soulless.. I will never set my eyes upon it now... Your divine Haligtree..."

None of this has anything to do with Godwyn.

>>731056586
>your comrade remains soulless
there's not exactly too many comrades of miquella that are soulless
in fact, there is only one; the demigod whose soul was killed at the moment ranni's body died

>>731056578
It did allow for some of the most schizo "loretubers" tho. All the alchemy shit was kind of fun, but honestly a little too new age for me. But ultimately you're right, the beauty of DS was that its themes were very contained.
>>731056729
NTA but you can work on the behalf of a completely unrelated beneficiary.

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>>731049708
Because Stormveil was the Castle of the Sun Realm.
The soldiers there are penal troops and banished knights that have been defeated and enslaved by the Golden Order

>>731056586
Taking the DLC into account, Miquella trying to put souls back into dead demigods was just practice to fix Radahn

>>731056729
There's not really any evidence that Godwyn and Miquella were comrades. All we know about their relationship is the Golden Epitaph sword, which Miquella made to wish Godwyn to actually fucking die and not linger around as an undead.

Godwyn's soul was reincarnated as the Mending Rune of the Death-Prince by Fia. That's the entire point of Deathbed Companions, to sleep with someone (literally sleep, not fuck) and resurrect them at the price of their own lives. Fia collected life energy from other Tarnished at the Roundtable Hold, then used it to rebirth the Prince of Death himself. That's why her mending rune was specifically "gestated".

A lot of this honestly feels like people trying to extrapolate connections where there aren't any, because they're mad that Miquella was obsessed with Radahn and not Godwyn like they thought, and Miquella brought Radahn back as his Lord Consort, not Godwyn.

>>731056782
Elden Ring isn't real life, it is fictional
The Godwym/Miquella thing is an example of Chekov's gun
Why would they bring up a random soulless comrade? There's a perfectly good soulless demigod right there
And the Golden Epitaph strengthens this connection
>A sword made to commemorate the death of Godwyn the Golden, first of the demigods to die.
>Infused with the humble prayer of a young boy; "O brother, lord brother, please die a true death."
Unless you want to imply that the "young boy" is Mogh or Morgott (lel), Godwyn only has one brother that would be considered "a young boy"

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>>731055878
>The Eclipse thing is for Godwyn
No, it's for Ensha, an old Demigod of a bygone era before the Erdtree and related to the Banished Knights that worshipped him. Ensha was supposed to be the original body vessel of Radahn
The issue of the Eclipse is the need to dim the light of the Erdtree in order to attract souls to the Haligtree. Before the Erdtree, the Sun of Sol will set at night and Rosus would guide with light all the souls of the dead at night.
The Erdtree shines at ALL times, making Miquella's Haligtree impossible to flourish

>>731056860
That's a stretch.
>>731056908
The DLC was unrepentant slop.

>>731056927
I'm not saying that Miquella didn't want to kill Godwyn, we don't know what the Eclipse mumbo jumbo actually would've accomplished. Maybe it was a plot to fully kill Godwyn using deathbird cult shit

>>731057001
Could also be a plot point that was mostly cut out of the finalized game too, since Niall is the only soldier still alive at Castle Sol. Aside from animals, everyone else there is a spirit. Maybe whatever ritual they attempted backfired and killed everyone at the castle?

>>731057062
Also a possibility. I will never forgive them for cutting Kalé's quest

>>731056961
>Why would they bring up a random soulless comrade?
That's Ensha
>And the Golden Epitaph strengthens this connection
It doesn't. Miquella wants Godwyn to die in its current state in order to kill the Erdtree by spreading Deathroot. The ritual refers to Ensha, that was placed on the actual altar of the Church of the Eclipse and that now serves Miquella as inside agent in Roundtable Hold

>>731057101
>Miquella wants Godwyn to die in its current state in order to kill the Erdtree by spreading Deathroot.
This is a stretch. It's more logical to assume that he wanted Godwyn to die because his current state as a titanic undead mushroom mermaid is extremely undignified, and Those Who Live In Death are anathema to the Golden Order.
He just wanted his brother to rest peacefully with the dignity he should've had.

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>>731056981
>That's a stretch.
No it isn't, it's very clear.
The Banished Knights all split up into either servants of the Golden Order or refused and were sent in the Fringes (where they serve Miquella). They all have the mane of the Sun Realm, symbol of power that is shared with Maliketh, Serosh,...

They also linger as spirits in death, a cuse that the Erdtree people, in order to imitate, can only inflict upon themselves by cutting off their heads (so that they can't follow the light of the Erdtree). The Banished Knights and Slave Knights don't need to do that because they are bound to the Scadutree (which in their time was the Crossed Tree) and now emits no light to be seen, so they have nowhere to go.

Stormveil also grows thorns and has an Ulcerated Tree Spirit under it because it was a sacred burial site for warriors of the Sun Realm, and Ulcerated Tree Spirits were created by the Scadutree (which is why they contain scadutree spells in the DLC)

>>731057282
>No it isn't, it's very clear.
No it's not.

>because it was a sacred burial site for warriors of the Sun Realm, and Ulcerated Tree Spirits were created by the Scadutree
What

>>731049708

These ones: >>731049756 >>731051064 maybe this one: >>731052289

According to the noble and rightful ruler of Limgrave: *THE* Kenneth Haight, Godrick fled the capital disguised as a woman, captured Stormveil keep, got his ass kicked several times (and most of his men killed), and is now just squatting inside of it with his mercenaries while what remain of his soldiers wander the countryside looting and kidnapping Tarnished for grafting.

>>731057282
the pictures you are posting are stretched though it's literally just pareidolia. Some of them have scarves but I won't not pick given that manes are explicitly used to express lineage in ER lore, and the only other white haired dude was godfrey and that's a stretch too.
>The Banished Knights and Slave Knights don't need to do that because they are bound to the Scadutree (which in their time was the Crossed Tree) and now emits no light to be seen, so they have nowhere to go.
This conflicts with ER's themes of supplanting order. They'd just get co-opted into the erd tree. In fact, banished knights in particular are spirit ashes granted afterlife within the erd tree.

>>731057414
I won't nit pick**

>>731057219
>It's more logical to assume that he wanted Godwyn to die because his current state as a titanic undead mushroom mermaid is extremely undignified,
No it isn't
>and Those Who Live In Death are anathema to the Golden Order
Miquella doesn't care for the Golden Order you retard. Ensha is supposed to be the guidance to the Lost Souls and helps attract them to the Erdtree. Miquella wants to kill Godwyn because him being the Prince of Death is a major issue for his plan, and he wants to use him to spread Deathroot to the Erdtree.

>>731057551
>Ensha is supposed to be the guidance to the Lost Souls and helps attract them to the Erdtree.
I have no idea what you're talking about or how you managed to extrapolate this conclusion from anything.

>>731057654
You can extrapolate it easily by actually playing the game

>Armory graces with gold human bones.
Worn by the unspeaking adherent of Sir Gideon the All-Knowing.

>Slowly replenishes HP when HP is reduced.

>It is said that the bones belong to an ancient lord - the soulless king. The lord of the lost and desperate, who was known as Ensha.

>>731059238
You're attributing an armor effect with the story?

>>731056586
The haligtree was in all likely hood meant to be a vessel for ascension into godhood which is why Miquella was cocooned there.

Otherwise the DLC lore really really doesn't make sense.

>>731059471
Yes, and also a description. The armor is the body of the King of the lost souls and was meant to be Radahn's vessel

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>>731057282
>>731057414
You cannot argue with Sun Realm schizo. This nigga has his own personal Silmarillion he wrote for Elden Ring that has all this shit that isn't once even implied in the games to explain the lore.

Most lore autists in From Threads just see a few dots Miyazacki made and drew a straight lines between them.
This nigga does does squiggles, zig zags and tic tak toe, hell he even and throws in his own dots for good measure, and he'll say a random stock asset on some armor texture will back it all.

>>731060162
>The armor is the body of the King
Bones of the king.
>of the lost souls
Stretching, with a hefty helping of headcanon. It doesn't say anything about lost souls. Just "lost and desperate", which could mean literally lost too. Rosus' role was to literally guide undead back to the crypts where they belong.
>and was meant to be Radahn's vessel
This you made up.

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>>731057414
>manes are explicitly used to express lineage
No, they are used to express affinity to the Sun Realm
>This conflicts with ER's themes of supplanting order. They'd just get co-opted into the erd tree.
No they wouldn't because that's not how it works. If that was how it would work the needle would make no sense and Vyle wouldn't have beeded to remove his eye to free himself from the Frenzier Flame. The penal soldiers in fact can't show the eyes because grace is stored in the eyes and their grace is a blasphemy

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>>731060248
>Stretching
Nope
>Just "lost and desperate"
The game is very specific. Those Lost are souls who are lost, did not reach their Sacred Tree of Helphen and did not return to their bodies. Miquella wants to replaced the Crossed Tree with the Haligtree, so he hopes of resurrecting the Soulless King to bring the Lost Souls.
This is why he is interested in killing Godwyn, who instead of bringing lost souls to the Sacred Trees makes them return to their original body. Godwyn is an active obstacle to Miquella. This is factual and evidenced by the DLC where Miquella just goes in a place deprived of the Light of the Erdtree to entirely sideskip the issue altogether, and is also proved by the base game where Miquella created candletrees to attract Souls like the Old Dun Realm did in the ancient times with Rosus statues.

You deciding to ignore all those elements and call the correct lore a "stretch" and then saying "maybe Miquella wants to do some random shit mentioned nowhere that does not relate to any actual lore element" is the only actual stretch here, and it's because you never bothered reading a single in game

>>731060473
Damn the schizo is back for more

>>731060676
>No argument

>>731060676
You can't win. He'll post images with red boxes and accuse you of not reading while having his own fanfiction map of shit not in game.
I read that shit for a minute. Old Dun Realm? lol, lmao, kek even.

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>More impotent argument-less seething and samefagging

>>731060914
You go "lol no" and then post your reaching fan wank with images that don't actually back your claims.
Why don't you publish your shit ideas if you're so confident in then? Call it "The Sunrealm" and go tell reddit you're pretty sure miyazacki's cousin's nephew's friend endorsed it.

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>more impotent sourceless seething
>more "no you are wrong" by retards still seething and completely caught offguard and dead wrong in their theories by the DLC

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>>731056729
>in fact, there is only one
Correct