What went so horribly wrong?
>>731063830This thread.
>>731063830ONE GAMEI DON'T KNOW WHY
>>731063830Even though the ps1 is pretty great (nes to Genesis to ps1 is the true golden trilogy for hardcore gamers) you can kinda see even then that Sony was going to be a pernicious influence in the industry.
>>731063830Ok but really though they dominated the premium console market and have had a goty more recently than Nintendo has
Shit gamesOh final fantasy is your best series? Go fuck yourself
>>731063830California
>>731064345>dominated the console marketWhen? The PS2?
>>731063830No exclusives and frankly the games that they could’ve released as exclusives are poor. The biggest Sony game is Helldivers 2 which is just your average jank friendslop. Everything else is out of the gaming zeitgeist aside from maybe Spiderman which I’ve heard is big among niggers. Can’t confirm that as I don’t associate.
>>731064345
>>731063830Moving their headquarters from Japan to Commiefornia
>>731063830honestly the move to PS Plus / paid online was the beginning of the end by allowing an inch of greed, ever since then it's been pretty much downhill
>>731064345>goty>being relevantChoose one
>the only exclusives the PS5 will get this year are Code Violet and Saaros
>>731064345ok but how many people bought Sony's last GOTY compared to Nintendo's last?checkmate snoy
>>731064467The biggest Sony game will always be FIFA or nba
>>731064467>The biggest Sony game is Helldivers 2And it's on Xbox now lol
>>731063830Consoles in general became obsolete when they stopped making exclusives for their hardware. Why would anyone bother buying a PS5 or an Xbox Series X when every game is on every platform. As much of a scam the Switch 2 is, at least Nintendo isn't retarded enough to put their games on other platforms.
>>731064927How is it a scam?
>>731063830uncharted and the last of us
>>731063830The relied mainly on third parties to make exclusive games, but the economics shifted and they all went multiplat.
>>731064927Obsolete even though they're cheaper and more convenient than a PC and games run better since it's easier to optimize on standarized hardware rather than the many different combinations of hardware you can have on PC
>>731065065>many different combinations of hardware you can have on PCthat's what opengl, directx and vulkan are for anon
>>731064979Game library is extremely week in comparison to Switch 1's first year. Paying 20$ for a better framerate and resolution, and the improvements are not that significant for 450$.
>>731065158Doesn't seem to work very well when I see complaints that PC ports run like shit for every big game that gets a port
>>731065240switch 1's first year was mainly wii u ports, what are you talking about
>>731065065Even a console is a bad investment right now since video games are fucking dead for the foreseeable future
>>731063830Capitalism. Capitalism brought smart phones to the gullible masses. Capitalism brought influencers to convince them to ignore how every iteration is worse than the last and requires more money.
>>731065158>le buzzword graphics libraries>implying they make up for the optimized development environments for consolesthey don't virtualize you fuckwit, they're literally just there so things can even run without having to write assembly
>>731065240>weaker library than the SwitchBut it has the entire Switch library? And they load faster by default.>Paying 20$ for a better framerate and resolutionI dont think there's a single game that charges 20 USD for this. Can you post an example?
>>731063830PS1 and PS2 were fucking amazing, tho so were N64 and GC.However, as the multiplat sports games started making Sony so much money compared to their Japanese games, they decided to focus on that. Reminder that Persona 5 barely got any advertising from Sony themselves when it came out. And as western market became so big for Playstation(especially Europe where Nintendo didn't really market during NES-GC era, but especially NES-N64 because of USSR etc.), Sony just focused on appealing to western later teens and up. Then just adults.See, Sony knows they are household name. They don't really need to make fun games, as everyone plays sports shit and F2P shit like Fortnite on their console. That's why they don't really have any kind of mascots. Sony knows that their own brand is so big and recognizable that they don't have to really care. AAA "exclusives" are just for the sake of it these days and as a selling pieces for the console.Nintendo without it's franchises wouldn't be much. Sony without it's franchises would be Sony.These days you don't really play on Playstation if you actually are interested in vidya or fun. Sony's "exclusives" are literally the made up games you would see in TV shows.If you care about actual vidya, you have a PC. If you want to have fun and have some friends who also wants to have fun, you have Nintendo console.Playstation is for the normalfags who buys yearly sports games and plays F2P shit. And wants to be amazed by "realistic grafix" and hollywood b-tier writing.
>>731063830https://news.microsoft.com/source/2019/05/16/sony-and-microsoft-to-explore-strategic-partnership/
>>731065240>>731065363I guess he couldnt do it lol.
>ditching the japanese identity>killing off AA>focusing on story rather than gameplay>making glorified movies instead of fun vidya>listening to the normalfags in the community
>>731063830Mark Cerny is actually a retard
>>731065974>>731065363Kirby and Mario Party are both 20$
>>731065296Mario Odyssey, Mario + Rabbits, Xenoblade 2, Octopath, and Splatoon 2 are not Wii U ports and better quality than what Switch 2 has.
>>731066058>ditching the japanese identityThis is their worst sin. They moved to California
>>731064594Also Wolverine.
>outselling all your previous generations combined>a more expensive console, with more expensive subscriptions and games is barely trailing behind a ps4 (zero competition) with gta6 expected to nuke it out of the waterif by horribly wrong you mean stellar success then yeah, it must be the brand recognition, quality products and good value for the price/v/pol has been seething about sony for the last 5 or so years, sony always wins baby and no your dogshit overpriced pc or toy tablet can't compete with it
Sony's problem at this point are terminal. They've coasted for way too long and it's catching up to them. Porting Playstation games to PC was also retarded
>>731066085Post a store link to prove it. Thanks.
>>731066746Switch 1 already outsold PS4 and Switch 2 broke every Playstation record ever. Cry more bitch. I bet GTA 6 will get delayed because Xbox died too
>>731066901>nintendo is stuck making handhelds>pcs unaffordable for normies>everything about xboxwhy would anyone believe sony is going anywhere?
>>731066975>Switch 1 already outsold PS4and?>Switch 2 broke every Playstation record evergood for them I guess, your point?you still won't run gta6 on the tablet 2you still won't run the latest AAA game on the tablet 2when ps6 drops you of course won't run the latest and greatest games on the tablet 2do I need to elaborate any further?sony is totally dying in two more weeks, our experts (4chan neets) say, trust me bro (they have been saying this since the launch of ps1)
>>731067087>why would anyone believe sony is going anywhere?PC has piracy and free onlineNintendo has monopoly on hybrid market and permanent exclusives, gained third party support, rumors of getting Playstation games tooPlaystation ported their games to PC/Xbox/Switch.Xbox died so their games go to everyoneIf I were a betting man then Playstation is gonna die next or at best sell under 50 million in the future, Nintendo/PC wins.
>>731067251>Playstation ported their games to Xbox/Switch.wat?
>>7310672314chan wasn't around when the ps1 launched.
>>731066967>>731066085Guess he STILL couldn't do it.Lmfao
>>731067231>and?So Nintendo beat everything Sony has, and Sony still had exclusives back then. Now they don't. >good for them I guess, your point?It means their IPs are becoming more popular and they can only get them on Switch 2 so there will be millions of people who won't buy Playstation now. AAA third party support will make even more people buy Nintendo over PS.>you still won't run gta6Leakers have said Rockstar are already working on GTA 6 for NS2>when ps6 drops you of course won't run the latest and greatest gamesEven Jason thinks that if PS6 comes out next year it's gonna underperform because nobody wants it.Nintendo has Nvidia which everyone seems to forget, Nintendo actually has access to better technology that Sony and Microsoft can't touch. And you're misunderstanding what companies are doing right now, companies are putting Nintendo first now. That's not gonna go away even late Switch 2, it'll still receive AAA games day 1 because companies want more sales and they wanna be able to release a patch day 1 for Switch 3 when it's out. >sony is totally dying in two more weeks, our experts (4chan neets) say, trust me bro (they have been saying this since the launch of ps1)The market never looked like this though. Overall I really don't see what Sony can do at this point.
>>731066901I still remembering how I called this during the fucking wiiu days in siliconera comments section when they kept buying exclusive time for 3rd party games instead of investing into themself. That had to go wrong eventually.
>>731067593>So Nintendo beat everything Sony hasgood for them>and Sony still had exclusives back thenexclusives are not the whole point of consoles, it's the low price entry into AAA gaming and the UI/UX experience tailored to remove all the pclard shit like messing with your system instead of sittind down and playing a game, besides back then you could shit out a AAA exclusive for $1mil. now try to do the same when the average game costs hundreds of millions>so there will be millions of people who won't buy Playstation now.and millions are still going to buy a playstation, so?>AAA third party support will make even more people buy Nintendo over PSand? it still won't run all the latest games and that's the only thing that mattersyou are not going to sit here and pretend that gta6 alone won't outsell all nitnendo exclusives combined, being the most anticipated and biggest release (despite what 4chan neets say) of the decade?>Even Jasonwho?>because nobody wants it.since when online sentiment == what customers actually think? flash news: the majority of people who buy cod every year don't read 4chan threads and twitter shitpostspeople will be there day one if the RAM situation is solved in time for the expected ps6 launch, they might delay it but it won't be because of a bunch of neets online screeching about it, you greatly overstimate how popular or important this place is (or whatever online shithole you crawled from)>Nintendo actually has access to better technology that Sony and Microsoft can't touch.their technology is still at ps4 level when in a couple of years a ps6 will be around, you can only do so much with a limited TDP tablet>companies are putting Nintendo first nowsure bro>receive AAA games day 1it barely gets last gen scraps, yeah bro gta6 day one launch with pc, trust the plan>companies want more sales *possibly without crippling their game because it has to run on ancient hardware>what Sony can donothing while winning
>>731066746i don't think most people in here care about their success. they've changed massively over the last console gens. for many of us the entry point was the PS1 or the PS2 and that era feels vastly different from what they are pushing today.
>>731067251I can see Sony pushing Horizon onto Switch 2 because they fell for their own gaslighting. They’re also probably desperate to get Ally into Smash since their own Smash clone failed.
>>731067873yeah unc that's good and all but my first console was the ps4 and it was greatyou are not the target audience anyway
killed the dreamcastkilled the xboxnothing personel
>>731067881>I can see Sony pushing Horizon onto Switch 2 because they fell for their own gaslighting. They’re also probably desperate to get Ally into Smash since their own Smash clone failed.I've been thinking about it a lot. TLOU and GOW are heavily tied to the Playstation brand so I can see them not doing it but on the other hand I think they know by now they can never beat Nintendo and they sell a ton of games if they just go the whole slate, release everything eventually on Nintendo. Because the second you start saying "we can't sell GOW on Nintendo, it'd just feel wrong." I think they have to do it because NS2 selling 130m+ is highly likely and it's better to be there ASAP than wait too long. I think just releasing one or two games would be the worst way to go because then everyone thinks everything is coming anyways.
>>731066058im a snoyfag and this is unironically why PS5 sucks dick right now
>>731067872>exclusives are not the whole point of consolesAnd yet for the entire console war history and selling consoles it was the main selling point. Yet when Playstation loses all of their exclusives it suddenly doesn't matter? How convenient. >and millions are still going to buy a playstation, so?The more millions Sony loses to Nintendo the more noticeable it gets, especially for third party companies.>and? it still won't run all the latest games and that's the only thing that mattersOf course it will. Sony won't be able to dictate anything anymore, they'll never beat DLSS and framegen, they'll be years behind framegen probably forever. You can cope and say it doesn't matter that Sony is behind in technology but obviously it matters. >you are not going to sit here and pretend that gta6 alone won't outsell all nitnendo exclusives combinedPokemon alone would outsell it but GTA 6 is coming to Nintendo as well.>the majority of people who buy cod every yearAlso coming to Nintendo>people will be there day one if the RAM situation is solved in time for the expected ps6 launch, they might delay itYeah and this is how consoles die. Just look at what happened to SEGA and Xbox. If Sony has to delay the launch even 1-2 years that gives Switch 2 even more advantages and people will just buy that instead of PS. Easily 40-50 extra million sales>their technology is still at ps4 levelPS4 couldn't even handle the CP2077 expansion.
>>731064458Right now? Or did you miss the fact that Xbox basically gave up and Nintendo only makes fisher price tablets now
>>731068546>actually making games and more money than ever is giving upXbox changed what battle they fight just like nintendo instead of trying to ape sony when snoyggers are known to only ever buy a polystation and nothing else.
>>731067593>So Nintendo beat everything Sony hasHow could they do that when they're not competing for the same market? I guess Apple beat everything Nintendo has, so did Genshin Impact.
>>731068719>>731068719Sony fanboys thinks that Nintendo didn't win the console war because their final and ultimate cope is that only Playstation can win and if they just deny reality then somehow others have to agree with their delusion. They're the trannies of gaming.
>>731068484not him but, in order of appearance>you are correct>don't know>probably>last GTA game to come out on a Nintendo console was 17 years ago>false, at this point I realized that I'm a retard and am responding to an LLM>sick mental gymnastics, maybe you aren't a bot>so we're in agreement that S2 is outdatedthis website is unsalvageable
>>731068865Zoomers so lazy they can't even respond properly anymore. I guess you gave up just like Sony did. But at least for you losing is free.
>>731063830let me install linux on this useless piece of shit already
>>731068484>And yet for the entire console war history and selling consoles it was the main selling point.yes, it WAS until they started to cost hunreds of millions each, correct anon, get users into your ecosystem and they will stay (as proven by a successful ps5 with supposedly no games)nintendo is making games for a low TDP tablet with more contained budgets, this is the main difference>How convenient. no hypocrisy here, exclusives are obviously nice to have and I'm glad nintendo has them and that you like them, I just don't care (just like millions do), I have so much shit to play regardlessthe whole console war meme exists on reddit and 4chan, normal people have multiple platforms, I know I do>The more millions Sony loses to Nintendo the more noticeable it gets,can we see those millions of lost customers? ps4 to ps5 sales are pretty much 1 to 1 with ps5 expected to surpass it by the end of the gen, your point?>Sony won't be able to dictate anything anymore, you are delusional, nobody is dictating shit>You can cope and say it doesn't matter that Sony is behind in technologywhy is a console that's behind technology-wise able to run games that your tablet won't run?it's like to talking to a brick wall>GTA 6 is coming to Nintendo as well.good for you>Also coming to Nintendogood for you>Just look at what happened to SEGA and Xboxyeah, hire a bunch of retards and mismanage the brand, not a problem for sony or nintendo or whatever>and people will just buy that instead of PSgood for them>PS4 couldn't even handle the CP2077 expansion.oh yeah because cyberpunk runs so well on the switch, yeah bro
>>731063830They aren't shitting the bed like Microsoft and Nintendo are right now though.
>>731069061>They aren't shitting the bed like Microsoft and Nintendo are right now though.>thinking nintendo is shitting the bed at allYou may be genuinely retarded.
>>731063830they let the vita die in favor of remote play. wonder how that tactic has held up.
>>731069023>(as proven by a successful ps5 with supposedly no games)PS5 still had basically several years worth of advantages. Like: Fortnite was shit on Switch 1. Then it's all the third party games coming to NS2, that will take a whole generation because obviously Nintendo has missed so much. But by the time Switch 3 is here they'll have everything and get AAA games day 1 every time. So Sony giving up on some mid exclusives won't insta-kill them, that's delusional, but it's the first nail in the coffin. >nintendo is making games for a low TDP tablet with more contained budgetsBecause the strongest IPs don't need big budgets. The big budgets can be reserved for games like Animal Crossing, 3D Zelda/Mario, Mario Kart and so on. >normal people have multiple platformsIt's really the opposite which is why Sony giving up exclusives is moronic. The average person doesn't want to buy a console, they're really hard to sell to. They already look at Netflix and think "but I have fun already why buy plastic box??">can we see those millions of lost customers?Sure. PS5 is behind 2 million despite Xbox dying which means they're not buying PS5 or they went to Nintendo or PC.>why is a console that's behind technology-wise able to run games that your tablet won't run?Like what? All the games dropping PS4 support because it's ancient?
>>731069217Remote play fucking sucks. I can only get it to work when my PS5 is in the same room, so what the fuck is the point? And you can’t blame my internet connection because I regularly get 600+ Mbps.
They shut down the japan studio to give more money to westerners who only want to make cinematic shit
>>731063830Hate it all you want but this is the longest lineup of console ever.
>>731063830renewed focus on the western market
>>731064287>genesisLol fag
>>731066085Those are DLCs, not performance improvements. In fact people got upset because Party does not have any improvements at all, the new version is just the added content.
>>731063830too many anti-consumer practices
>>731063830Getting PC's exclusives. Oh, "wrong," was it? Upsetting /v/, I guess.
>>731063830The Last of Us, started that shitty walking/movie simulator genre that plagues PlayStation games to this day.
>>731068831I accept your concession
>>731070793*uncharted
>>731070705>no modslolyou should look into this feature called owning your hardwareit lets you do lots of cool shit
>>731063830>ctl f "jim ryan">0 results foundIdk if this is a bait thread or not, but this is the actual answer.
>>731070862Uncharted had more combat and shit to do in it.
>>731066967>>731067587Stretch the goalpost further.
>>731070872You should look into this feature called not paying 2000 dollars for RAM
>>731063830They got Zelda for free, made 7billy profit and gave nothing to Jewtendo, horrible company.
>>731070951>Moviegame where you crouch walk and shoot people>Moviegame where you crouch walk and shoot people, and also occasionally climb stuff and swing on ropes in rigidly scripted sequencesIt technically has more stuff to do than Last of Us, but it's still a setpiece hallway with extremely basic gameplay indicative of PlayStation's shift toward cheap themepark experiences that normies play once and immediately forget about
>>731070872>it needs mods to be goodPlay better games, lil man.
>>731071231a console's amount of ram only costs $120 and it's not sharing the whole thing with the gpu
>>731071281I concur.
>>731071358imagine being so poor you choose a $300 discount over being able to own your hardware and playing games to their fullest potential
>>731071452>some turdie's nexusmod texture swap/fanfic is "full potential"Again, play better games, thirdworldbro.
>>731064467>The biggest Sony game is Helldivers 2Funniest part is that that game was greenlit by the previous administration and that was before Sony went full Games as a Service mode.
>>731071519imagine blanket bootlicking all developers and coping about having much less replayability
>>7310638301.consoles suck2.DEI sucks3.corporate greed sucks
>have a pc>it's my default for playing games>have switch 2>it's cool for exclusives or playing games in bed/on an exercise bike>have a ps5>it's cool for the games that make use of the controller features (so basically timed exclusives)PC is really all you need but going full idort is comfy. The problem with crossgen Switch 2 games though is that you can play them on PC so I've been getting less use out of my Switch 2 than I did my PS5 when I initially got that at release. Both the PS5 and Switch 2 have no good upcoming games with a release date though. Nioh 3 is day and date on PC so I'll obviously grab it there instead. PS5chads are eating better than Switch2chads in the foreseeable future though(the direct will probably change this).
>the same ninty homosexuals crying about Sony and begging for PS games 24/7 That Zelda deal and Nintendo being on the verge of bankruptcy must've been the last straw for them.
>>731071568Your textureswap is considered very cool and vital in your turdworld discord group, I'm sure.
>>731071281>>731071439>>731071958kill yourself eric
>>731072353sour grapes brown console slave lmaoimagine playing minecraft bedrock edition, stuck with the jeet infused goy shit
>>731071958Little do they know that Zelda is just the beginning KWAB
>>731071958>Nintendo being on the verge of bankruptcyRichest company in japan by the way
>>731063830americans. It's always americans
>>731071958Soon to be absorbed by Aniplex.
>>731067986*turned shitendo into gimmick shit dildo tabletsbased sony