I don’t understand why people don’t respect Bayonetta 1 as the best action game of all time. Play it and compare it to DMC, Ninja Gaiden, God of War, there’s just no comparison. This game is one of the best of all time and I’m very tired of the pure disrespect.
Nah.
>>731072525I agree. The QTEs are garbage though. DMC, and especially NG, are weak compared to this.
Motorcycle and Space Harrier levels drag it down.
>>731072525Remove the QTE's, make the hidden verse's easier to find add a checkpoint system like 3 and it'd be perfect.
>>731072525I went to replay it recently and lost interest quickly. The genre switches overstay their welcome and are terrible experiences to have to go through again.
Bayo1 is respected, I just don't like it personally.
>>731072525It's a great game and I overall love it, but there's too much cancer that years later really aged horribly like the motorbike and the rocket. The former is whatever because you can just push through and never touch that level again, but the latter is criminal because Jeanne 3 is locked behind it.Plus the QTE and especially the instakill ones, and there you have it. The fighting system is great and puts it higher than other games if you prefer it, but as a whole package it's unfortunately dragged down by Kamiya's usual habit of putting whatever he likes in his games and no one being able to tell him it's retarded.
>>731073023Ok but the peak is still peak and untouched by anything else in the genre.
>>731072525I remember how many of you niggers were telling everyone to buy a Wii U to play Bayonetta 2. They're alright if you're into games like that. It is sad just how many genres from the late PS2/early 360 era just don't exist anymore. Arcade racers, DMC/God of War clones, GTA, jrpgs are joke, crpgs today are a joke, shooters suck except nu-boomer shooters. Like, what the fuck happened?
>>731073227That's subjective, and while I can agree to some extent, the whole package is too inconsistent to put it objectively on top of others. NG 1 and most DMCs don't have pace breakers so abrupt, and the latter's story and characters in general are so much better than Bayo that it isn't even funny to compare them.
>>731072525People call Dark Souls rollspam when this is 10x worse
>>7310732482 is the worst one in the series
>>731073692I agree but that's besides the point.
>>731073023>there's too much cancer that years later really aged horribly like the motorbike and the rocketThat didn't age horribly, it was abysmal dogshit from the start. What's amazing is that Platinum continued to double down on constantly interrupting the core gameplay with minigame shit with later Bayonettas(2 wasn't too bad) and The Wonderful 101, without even making any of the minigames good>>731073227>and untouched by anything else in the genreIt's very well executed but I wouldn't put it above the good DMC games or the good NG games, I'd say it's down to preference
>>731072525Slowdown mechanics in action games are garbage. I want my game to be fast paced not purposefully try to slow it down.
>>731073897By aged horribly I meant that those things coupled with others like qtes everywhere do tell when the game was made. The best comparison is Vanquish. God tier fighting mechanics dragged down but so much crap. Like there's a boss whose whole move set is an instakill grab. I can't fucking believe no one had the balls to tell that bald fuck that it was retarded, but here we are.
>>731074102Once you beat th game you can play without Witch Time and that’s when it opens up like that
>>731072525I legit almost threw up at the stupid Space Harrier section
>>731074238>one bad section>in the entire gameDude STFU and admit it’s kino
>>731074146>By aged horribly I meant that those things coupled with others like qtes everywhere do tell when the game was madeThe only big tell that dates the games is the QTEs, and those are the least of its problems. Like I said, all the minigame shit got progressively worse, I found the Wonderful 101 almost unplayable and Bayonetta 3 actually unplayable because of it. Haven't picked up Ninja Gaiden 4 yet but I hope they didn't dessecrate Itagaki's legacy but shoving in a shitty clone of Elevator Attack or Afterburner every 10 minutes
>>731074453If you’re not willing to deal with the QTEs then you’re not a real hack n slash fan
>>731074543the QTEs annoy you one for 2 seconds, the Space Harrier shit is 15 minutes(that feels like 45) every time you want to play the game's flagship mission
>>731074612>15 minutes in a 15 hour gameBoohoo nigga
>>731074708>15 hour gameDid you die 3-4 times every encounter? It's a 7 hour game on a first playthrough, 5:30 if you skip cutscenes
>>731072665>and especially NGCareful, or else all 5 members of the e-celeb worshipping NG fanbase will get mad.
>>731074765yeah uh go fuck yourself
>>731074708It's extremely bad when the possibly best boss fight in the game is locked behind it.
>>731074802>howlongtobeatThis website is made up of literal boomer-tier digital retards, and even they didn't average the 15 hours it took you. get good
>>731072525>DMC>Ninja Gaidn>all action>Bayonetta>OK SO.... ITS TIME FOR ON RAIL SEGMENTS!!! >Alright kid I will let you do action for a little bit>OKAY NOW MORE ON RAILS!!! ITS THE BEST ISNT IT ANON? Y'KNOW WHAT I AM GOING TO ADD MORE IN THE 2ND GAME AND EVEN MORE IN THE 3RD GAME HAHAHAHA ON RAIL SO GOOD!!! Bayonetta is a solid game and the only game you can compare to DMC because it is the literally little sister of DMC. But got damn this sister sure is trash the older she gets
Personally I just am not a big fan of the wicked weave mechanic, it kind of feels like the game is twisting your hand to shit out all these strings just so you can get to the big payoff at the end. I'm not a big fan of NG's long strings either but at least that game doesn't have wicked weaves. DMC is my favorite because I think having a lots of quick unique moves you can mix and match however you want is the most fun. After Burner kick in Bayo is awesome though and I wish DMC had something like that (DMC5 Vergil kind of does but its a shitty ghetto version tied to his SDT)
>>731075212Now play ninja gaiden 4, it has, somehow, twice as many on rails sections as bayo 3. They are going to end up creating a game in which you fight a single goon every 30 minutes of railing
>>731075527>it has, somehow, twice as many on rails sections as bayo 3.weakest bait ever anon. but if you wanna just talk sure we can talk I have time to waste today
The last good Platinum game was Astra Chains. The reason everyone hates it is because they couldn't play it just like Bayo 2 when it was WiiU Exclusive and everyone raged on the internet about a game they never played becoming an Exclusive
>>731075998the reason everyone hates it is because the combat is simplistic and the police proceedings are are repetitive and boring
>>731076151The soundtrack is GOATED THO
>>731076151Nah, "everyone" you're talking about never played the game or they emu'd it for about an hour and then say it's "simplistic". Meanwhile the real action game gods showcase the game at the highest level.
>>731075502Admit DMCV is a good game
>>731076675Sure
>>731072525I don't think a game with square square triangle dial-a-combo Musou inputs can be the greatest action game of all time.
>>731076759Bayonetta has input commands just like DMC, why lie and say the game is like Dynasty Warriors anon?
>>731075212That's just Kamiya's autism. DMC1 literally ends with a space harrier section.That said, it can be done well, like in W101
>>731073897>What's amazing is that Platinum continued to double down on constantly interrupting the core gameplay with minigame shitThis game is the ultimate form of that crap.Good combat system, absolutely ruined by trying to avoid it as much as possible in favor of shitty minigames.
>>731076837Because I've played DMC, Bayonetta and Musous and Bayonetta is more like a Musou's combat. You do a few light attacks to end the combo with a heavy (triangle).DMC has nothing in common with Bayonetta's style of inputs. DMC does not do that. Don't call me the liar.
>>731072525Because she is a girl. Stellar Blade mogs every action game released in 2024 and lots of anon tell the gameplay is shit
>>731072525Doing a replay currently. I never liked those pseudo-freezeframe cutscenes. They look cheap and are anti-style. They're made worse by the story that's just pointless horseshit. I don't want to rag on a video game too much for its story and cutscenes, but I do consider those factors when we're discussing the best of all time.
>>731076970Bayonetta is far more complex than an Musou game that has ever grace the earth. You aren't baiting anyone, its not working, give up. BTW I like Dynasty Warriors
>2026>Still having 2000s Dynasty Warriors debatesGot damn I hoped in my time machine. We are so back!
>>731077027 Sh they’re kino just a relic from the late 00’s.
>>731077103>Bayonetta is far more complex than an Musou game that has ever grace the earthI think they're about on par.
>>731072525How come MGR was the only Platinum game smart enough to make bosses be their own thing in the chapter select screen?
>>731077359Hi Anon, we back? >>731077272
>>731077458Because it came out in 2012
>>731072525I really loved it when it came out and thought that the battle system was a step above and an evolution of the DMC formula. Only years later I came to a realization that more restrictive but varied movesets in DMC are better than a homogenized arsenal in Bayo. Still a very good game with a lot of things done right.
>>731077458Different dev team than the Bayo one. Difference in design philosophy and personality. Kamiya seems to hate whenever someone suggest adding or changing something in one of his games. Taka went on to do Nier after MGR. I kinda feel like Kamiya was jealous of Taka's success not once but twice. Taka worked on FFXVI's combat too. So you can thank him for the game having any sort of sauce for a JRPG
>>731077492yeah I think only one person in the entire world would draw a connection between bayonetta and musou games based on both having a light into heavy combo system.
>>731072665>>731072525Can you maybe try explaining to me, as someone who likes other Kamiya games like DMC and Viewtiful Joe, but keeps bouncing off Bayonetta, why you believe Bayo is so much better than other action games?
>>731077720MGR was directed by Kenji Saito, who went on to direct that shitty Transformers game. Taura was just one of multiple designers for MGR. This retarded glazing of a guy who only ships shallow garbage on his own is the most retarded shit of secondary action game fans. Nier Automata is trash as an action game, why would anyone be jealous of that and why would you attribute MGR's quality to someone who couldn't add good gameplay to Automata when that was his one job.Platinum also worked on Eikon fights for FFXVI, the on rails shitty QTEfest ones, they didn't do main combat design, that was someone they poached from Capcom.
>>731078004Taka basically admitted in an interview that at the time Platinum was striking major deals with big companies and while working on MGR there were times he was task with running everything. Kamiya was definitely jealous of him being the most successful Platinum dev
>>731078108Stop treating game developers like you treat ecelebs, faggot.
>>731077673>more restricted but varied movesets are better than a homogenized arsenalBased and true, even within the later DMC games this becomes a problem of having just plain too many moves that do more or less the same thing.
>>731072525>First playthrough on normal is too hard for retards but too easy for veterans>slow-mo on normal trivializes a lot of the gameplay >Characters have stupid designs including Bayonetta herself>story doesn't make sense despite a few cool moments>shump sections suck ballsThe combat system and bosses are great but the game has a lot of small things nibbling at it.
>>731072525>why don't people like my game where an ugly woman gets raped by a coon if she fails QTEs against the final bossProbably because most people aren't autistic cuck coomers like Kamiya.
>>731078194>even within the later DMC games this becomes a problem of having just plain too many moves that do more or less the same thing.Only Vergil has this problem in my opinion, and it mostly comes from the fact that they decided Yamato need to be turned into an all rounder weapon like Red Queen/Rebellion even though he already has Force Edge
>>731078180Taka's resume look way better than Kamiya, not to mention Scalebound, Kamiya's last project was a big one and he fumbled hard. Meanhwhile Taka was getting huge fan for Nier Automata. He was definitely a Taka-hater. Tried to cope with making another W101 hero game and that got cancelled then he left the company
>>731078253I think the regular enemies are a bigger plus for it than the bosses. I like DMC's combat system better, I like DMC's bosses better, I like DMC's aesthetics better, but if Bayo on normal is too easy for veterans then modern DMC plays itself until DMD.Bayonetta actually pushes back a little, that makes it really enjoyable. I hope DMC can find a better balance on challenge moving forward if we ever get a new one, it's its one major flaw.
>>731078453Scale bound never released nigga
>>731074708>1 ounce of piss in a 1 liter bottle of sodainb4 "food analogy"
>>731078453>Taka's resume look way better than KamiyaTakahisa Taura's credits as a director:Astral ChainHideki Kamiya's credits as a director:Resident Evil 2Devil May CryViewtiful JoeOkamiBayonettaThe Wonderful 101Sure it does.
>>731074102The game let you replace the slow down with a bomb.
>>731078556Kamiya fumbled the ball hard. That was big bucks microsoft and he fucked it up for the entire company meanwhile Taka was getting the Nier glory and then he worked on the Nier remaster/remake too. Made the combat so much better
>>731073692Is it really worse than 3? I really find that hard to believe judging from the threads here.
>>731078581>out of all the drinks to represent something good he picks a sodaIf anything, pissing in a soda bottle might improve it.
i dropped bayonetta immediately. i liked ninja gaiden black enough on an emulator that i plan to buy the disc and hardware (water doesnt render correctly for some reason).
>>731078839Fine >1 cup of piss in a pint of herbal teaHappy now
>>731078431I'm mostly talking about Dante's moveset in 5 and how the weapons just kind of bleed together, especially with style switching and the full weapon roster available. Why does every weapon have a launcher when I can access the best launcher at all times? The limitations in 1 and 3 really encouraged you to explore each individual style and weapon a lot more, whereas I feel like in 5 it's way easier to put together a handful of obvious combos that work ~80% of the time and never touch most of the moves aside from just hitting inputs in between your "main attacks" to get style points.
>>731078659And what did make in modern times? Nothing. He's not even remembered for those games anymore. >RE2RE4 replaced him. >DMCItsuno's DMC replaced him>VJoeAnother one of his fumbled games>OkamiHonest good but no one gave a shit because the artstyle is childish, the combat is boring, and the main protag is boring. Not even sure why you list this one when it didn't meet sells expectations >BayonettaA decent action game we thought would get better but he fumbled with Bayo 2 and Bayo 3. Even removed his name so he wouldn't take most of the blame for Bayo 3's garbage>W101Another game no one gives a shit about. Boring, lame, unfun, all the CAG players deem it a shit game This guys lives off his past while making absolutely nothing good in modern times and being completely blown the fuck out by all competition. He's a washed up dev
>>731079301Ok contrarian fag
>>731078814It boils to down to the design quirks with the levels, which hasve almost no exploration until you time travel to Vigrid, and then for a couple of levels it plays like the first game. New enemies are introduced way to often and are used only in a couple of fights (at least on normal difficulty).The story is a literal retelling of the first Bayo but made more retarded.You fight most (or maybe all of the) bosses in some or other sort of the void space without any walls or obstacles, so you don't need to think about positioning at all, for whatever reason the game markets this as it's big selling point.
>>731079496>so assblasted he got political Kamiya has been erased from game masterpiece history and is now only remembered for being a twitter fag who block people. You can't even name a modern game he made because everything he touches gets cancelled or he removes his name from it because its dog shit like Bayo 3
>>731072525I absolutely love Bayonetta. I love all 3 games (yes ALL THREE of them), I love the erotica written about her (yes even the one where she is a futa and throatfucks the sidekick guy nonstop), love the music, and love her. I have 4 different versions of the first game, 2 different of the second and the third game. It is a wonderful game. But I don't know about the best action game of all time when DMC4, Vanquish and Metal Gear Rising Revengance exists. Hell... not to mention the new NG4.
>>731079751You put DMC4 ahead of DMCV?
>>731079068>I'm mostly talking about Dante's moveset in 5 and how the weapons just kind of bleed together, especially with style switching and the full weapon roster available. Why does every weapon have a launcher when I can access the best launcher at all times?Well, the answer is simply that most players can't deal with switching weapons/styles constantly, the game is designed so that you can simply stick to one style and weapon if that's what you like, all the moves have slightly different properties so they don't make eachother totally redundant, but that's more for people who want to get into the weeds
>>731079824DMC5 oozes style, class and is a complete game unlike DMC4. But of what is complete in DMC4 is a superior game mechanically imo. I replay both every 6 months either way.
>>731079301To be washed up means he was once great. A director's credits that consists of nothing but Astral Chain never reached those peaks in the first place. You have no reason to lick that guy's balls other than eceleb worshipper behavior. You're subhuman.
Constant cutscenes through a single levelQTEshave to dodge into the enemies on purpose at times to get the slowdownLet's put QTEs IN THE COMBAT when you are finishing off an enemy! Roll the analog stick for more damage! It never gets old!Some really heavy filters on the screen, grey shit during weather, shitty gold tint or dark filter in other areasForgettable bosses, levelsAnd then OP makes this thread and says he's "tired of the disrespect".
>>731072724>Space HarrierI was autistic for this when I was little
>>731079751Porn has spiritually raped this entire generation.
>>731079978Kamiya wont be remembered though since whenever one of his games get a new director that director's vision surpasses Kamiya every single time. He's literally being erased from history lol
>>731079751>Hell... not to mention the new NG4This is the game that actually warrants being puzzled at the "disrespect" it gets. Bayonetta does have its detractors but it's also widely praised and considered the best in its genre by many. The critical reception was also overwhelmingly positive.
>>731080107>Kamiya won’t be rememberedDude just stfu you know nothing clearly
>>73108021095% of the hate is just because they tried to push a new zoomer protag, I don't even like Yakumo but yes people are that shallow. Most people dont care about gameplay they care more about characters and spectacle
>>731080473What don't I know beside RE4 and DMC3/4/5 being better than the garbage Kamiya made? Even the RE2Remake replaced him lol
>>731080539Makes me wonder if an aggressively straight and sexual female character like Bayonetta was wouldn't be well received today either for a similar reason. Some people did try to shit on her at the time too for being sexist or whatever but the game was too good and nobody gave a fuck. But games like this are not as popular nowadays so maybe it would be a different story.
>>731072525Its gameplay is far and away my favorite. Not even a contest between it amd the others. I get why people might not vibe though, my hard playthrough ended at the dogshit turret section in Tower to Truth
>>731072525The arcade shooter bit was fucking trash, but the rest of the game was really great. The QTE's aged poorly though. I played it again last year and I had to install a mod so I didn't have to button mash all the time. I still don't think I'd call it the greatest action game of all time, but it is absolutely up there.
>>731081321>The QTE's aged poorly though.My biggest hatred of 7th gen. I literally can never go back to those games because of this shit
>>731081321What would you call the greatest?
my god. all these complaints are obvious that these people watched and parrot some let's players.
>>731080885People said they didn't want to play as a woman with glasses and joked about how she looked like Sarah Palin even back then
Being "The Greatest CAG" is easy since there aren't many games and we only get sequels, nothing new. So even when something like Hifi-Rush shows up the CAG community are so used to playing the same shit over and over they scale of combat is very limited to their caveman collection that is DMC, Ninja Gaiden, and [Insert Other]. CAG fags are all old boomers now so even if someone came along and made an action game as good as DMC they would deem it as under DMC because muh favor game is DMC and muh game got that tech! In fact DMC5 is so new school coded CAG fags hate it lmao
>>731081498I would have complained less about QTEs if I knew the replacement for "barely qualifies as interaction" bullshit would be forced slow walking.
>>731081713>My God, I am transHappy for you sister. But please try to stay on topic
>>73108151050 Cent: Blood on the Sand
>>731081974Fair choice
>>731081858Nah if anything it's the opposite a lot of CA game fans start bringing in games from other genres just to compensate for the lack of anything new but keeping it pure you get shit like assault spy and even fucking Onechanbara Chaos looked at favourably
>>731079751>yes ALL THREE of themForgetting something?
>>731078814It heavily depends.If you're a gameplay autist, then 3 might be better.If you care about literally anything else that also made Bayo great then 2 is infinitely better.3 at its core is very good. But it is completely devoid of the Bayonetta identity and what made the series so unique and memorable in the first place
>>731080885>Makes me wonder if an aggressively straight and sexual female character like Bayonetta was wouldn't be well received today either for a similar reason.She would be welcomed by leftists (doesn't mean they'll open their wallets though) if they made another game affirming trans ideology or how allegedly gay she was.https://archive.ph/2N7E8Bayonetta 1 was awful, until the left decided she's a lesbian in their headcanon, and then she was awful again when PlatinumGames revealed she's not.By and large, woke people despise conventional, hetero male sexuality. That is a core part of their ideology.
>>731079301>RE4 replaced him.>Itsuno's DMC replaced himRE4 is a completely different game and Itsuno's DMC wouldn't exist in the first place without him.
>>731083929KINO
>>731084717>Itsuno's DMC wouldn't exist in the first place without him.this dude on drugs. Itsuno was a well known Capdev prior to this you retard. Some of the great 90s Cap fighters he directed you fucking loser
>>731084351Never understood how people created the headcanon that she was lesbian. In the very first game she says she doesn't like children, but loves making them. Do these people know how children are made?
>>731083929Nope, I only enjoyed the THREE canon games. Not the loli-bait spin-off.
>>731086306>Never understood how people created the headcanon that she was lesbianIdiots somehow mistook Kamiya's dominatrix fetish for some kind of masculine "girls get it done!" shit which is often associate with dykes. It's very retarded because its not like the BDSM femdom shit is very subtle either
I still don't understand why so many people hate 2. I replayed 1 and 2 a couple months ago. 2 felt so much smoother and snappier.
>>731086761I mean, she is a very capable and strong female character, I can get the switch from "this is sexist!" to "this is a feminist icon actually!", but why would any of that have to do with her being lesbian? kekIt's so random.
The giant boss fights and QTEs in this game are fucking horrible.
>>731087038americans
>>731072525>Play it and compare it to DMC, Ninja Gaiden, God of WarI have and DMC3, DMC5, NG2 and GoW2 all mog Bayo1 into the grave.
>>731085029How did you miss my point this badly? DMC3 based itself on and expanded DMC1.
These threads always piss me off and everyone is stupid but me. Bayonetta is a fantastic game with overall fantastic enemies and game design baring some small fuckery like Kinships. Yet it always takes a turn into talking about lesbianism and culture war nonsense. I genuinely don't think many people who talk about it even played this game except maybe one playthrough, you know why? Because everyone always bitches about the QTEs as if they're a game ruining experience. Yes it would be better if they weren't there, but you literally have zero excuse to fail a QTE after the first time. This is a game you play multiple times over by design, if you replay chapter 3 and eat shit to the tower QTE yet again you have no one to blame but yourself. What you should be actually complaining about, if you actually did play this game, is how some of the alfheims are absolutely fucking brutal on hard and up, and can be nonsensical to trigger in the first place. The 2nd stay in the air where you have to whip pull up Fearlesses, who are aggressively anti-air, is stupid hard and you have one shot to get it right or else you can say goodbye to your plat trophy.
>>731086761>It's very retarded because its not like the BDSM femdom shit is very subtle eitherThe femdom bondage stuff was meant for us. The troons saw that did everything they could to ruin it.
>>731087219No fucking way you tried to say GoW2 is better but DMC4 isn't
>>731087671troons love femdom bondage though, that's how a lot of them become troons
>>731087770>troons love femdom bondage though, that's how a lot of them become troonsHetero femdom existed before Jesus era.
>>731076895At least all the minigames in Astral Chain were completely optional.Too bad it the enemy design was DmC tier "do it the way we tell you to".
>>731086306>Never understood how people created the headcanon that she was lesbian. In the very first game she says she doesn't like children, but loves making them.She also flirts with Jeanne several times, especially in Bayo 2, so it wasn't a crazy thing to think. Her Bayo 2 design with short hair also didn't help. When you queerbait you're going to attract queers.
>>731087963>no astral chain switch 2 patchIt hurts a lot.
>everyone asking for the QTEs in Bayo 1 to be removed>when they're the best on the market>plus most of them are optionalI simply cannot understand the hate
>>731088047almost every single qte cutscene has an instant kill fail state the fuck are you talking about? Are you trying to muddy the water by counting the torture attacks?
>>731087219>GoW2Fans of this series are delusional, this game fucking sucks. Easily the worst in the series until Ragnarok came out.
>>731088047>>plus most of them are optionalWhich ones are optional
>>731087292I didn't see a single post complaining that they were failing at the QTEs, they just dislike QTEs. Do you only have issue with games when they give you trouble? Do you evaluate quality based on how easy it is?
>>731088298The QTEs are a non-issue and do not merit the amount of discussion they get.
>>731088047best QTEs on the market...what the fuck is this post
>>731088202>worst>when ascension and gow 2018 exists
>>731072525Great game with terrible level design and one of the most pointless and forgettable plots of all time
>>731079301Anons, please be patient with this person.
>>731088197Yes, I do count the torture attacks and the little scenes where you summon one of your demons and have to smash some action button. They're extraordinarily fun and engaging, even though sadly they have to coexist with gameover QTEs.But even with your definition of QTE, i dont get the bitching since the game has faaar more gratting problems, like for example the shitty shmups section you are forced to do before fighting Jeanne (one of the best bosses), or the late game chapters that really overextend their welcome. Unless you have ADHD or bad memory (which sucks), those QTE are a non issue after multiple plauthroughs.
>>731072525>Convoluted plot, which honestly suffers from a convoluted narrative>Many fights, alfheims and items are stupidly hidden>Bike and Space Harrier sectionsAnd basically the whole trilogy suffers of different implementations of these issues.Don't get me wrong, the whole trilogy Is really nice but It feels like the devs sabotaged themselves to prevent the games to be great.
>>731088605The plot is memorable, the presentation isnt though
>>731089290Idgaf about the plot it’s about the gameplay which is basically perfect
>>731072525Heh, step aside for the real king.
>>731089510Might as well not even be in the same genre as Bayo
>>731072724kamiya loves to put stupid minigames into otherwise perfect gameseven dmc1 couldn't escape it with the fucking underwater section and the plane ride after the final boss
>>731087959Curious, what do we know about that?
Can I get some more advanced tips on doing a P/PP chapter run? >dude dodge offsetI'm well past the point of that, I'm talking about shit like how to do chapter XV without getting hit
>>731090096I am not a pro but using cheese tactics with the enraged talisman could be a good start
>>731073023>the rocketAnon you aren't spamming dodge all day are you?What I did to make that part FUN was equip eternal testimony, and only dodge if I messed up moving around the screen. You want to go in a circle pretty often, then when the giant snake appears spam your missiles at him.
What actually kills me is needing to do the Alfheims every single time, I think it should just save your highest score per difficulty and keep it there
>>731087292>have to shoot a random garbage can to get one
I really enjoyed finding out little tricks, like fighting the Joys on the road in the side lane thing so you don't get hit by cars, or fighting in the elevated section of the level when the big orb is trying to crush you while making the keyI never see /v/ talk about this stuff though, I wonder why
>>731091042Because they haven’t played the game
It's great besides those flying levels
>>731072525God hand was better
>>731091776There's only one and see here >>731090720
>>7310788143 has its issues, but it actually tries a lot of interesting ideas, even if they don't all work.2 is basically the same as 1, with the same story, all the rough and interesting Kamiya edges shaven off, and with an ending that is frankly, unfinished (if barely started)Oh and the bullshit that is Umbran Climax.
Kamiya is a shitter never making a good game. He thought he innovated but all of his games were out done by better devs like Itsuno and Mikami. He even admitted he would never work with Itsuno due to jealousy and hatred that itsuno is a better dev. Shame he will only be remember as a twitter old fuck
>i will never work with that fucking faggot hack Itsuno>i will impale him and then rape him with Sparda myself if i ever have to see him near the office again>he ruined Dante and so I will ruin his lifeDid Kamiya go too far with this one?
>>731090096You can unironically just keep spamming YBY since it's the quickest weave move that also has built in range and Bayo 1 score doesn't care about repetition
>>731092653>so I will ruin his lifenot so hard to do after fumbling with DD2 lmao
>>731093132The score does care about repetition but WWs reset it
>>731092653I just want project GG
>>731093202>having to pay for multiple save slotsWHAT WERE THEY THINKING
>>731093403Me too
>>731093471Is it even still a thing?
>>731093978YESI BELIEVETHERE HAS BEEN NO NEWS IN YEARS BUT I BELIEVE
>>731093413>no way to make dwarfs because of being afraid of pedophilesthe didn't think, that's the problem
>>731093403Ha I completely forgot about that. Now he's back to doing work for hire. What a shame.
>>731072525>I don’t understand why people don’t respect Bayonetta 1 as the best action game of all time.Because you have to fight the same bosses 50 times, and the enemies can sucker punch you from off screen with no warning.And the space harrier bits are awful.Finally, the most important mechanic was purposely hidden from the player, because the director wanted to be a dick about it.
>>731094561Holy fucking skill issueWhere did you casuals come from
>>731094561Enemies literally cannot start an attack animation when offscreen you’re just bad at the game
>>731094561What do you mean most important mechanic?
>>731087767DMC4 is a mess of a game and there is no reason to play it when DMC5 exists.
>>731077974nta but dodge offset being the core mechanic the entire game is built and balanced around makes for a surprisingly well-put together game. Bayonetta 1 is maybe the only action game where cunty enemy design is properly balanced by a sensible sense of i-frame spamming that doesn't feel too repetitive because of the way your moves allow you to either get fast kills, spend bar, rush out weaves, or give yourself CC and spacing options. The enemy design is also cool and not trying to arms race the player like NG. I like all of them, but it seems to me like it's one of the most well put together and that's on top of Bayonetta being an S-tier protagonist and one hot bitch. The problem with the game of course is that Platinum still can't do good bossfights and the ungodly amount of QTE and gimmicky encounters like space harrier
>>731096578Solid analysis honestly
>>731097049Thanks, yeah. I like all the games and they all have their own cool quirks and different use of mechanics, but I don't think any come together as well or as coherently as bayonetta. It has its flaws, but on the pure action side of things it accomplishes the goal of feeling like a dance much better and in a more feasible manner than NG making you feel like a badass ninja or DMC making you feel like Dante. Owing to this is Bayonetta's gameplay is actually pretty simple. Love playing Dante, but he's like trying to operate a fighter jet through a subterranean tunnel and Ryu is like trying to pilot a motorcycle through a minefield. Bayo's equivalent I feel is like driving through a highway where no one is a cunt except the road has a 20 car collision every few miles because the designer wanted it to go between having 5 lanes and 1 lane out of nowhere. All solid games, to be sure.
>>731095649This.
>>731097914Facts
>>731072525I will not play trannyta. It looks like shit, and plays like shit, with QTE cancer everywhere and a shitty story shoved up your ass, I will never care for it and I regret the few hours I spent on it. there's nothing more humiliating to be forced to play as an ugly woman btw.Fuck this series, fuck Kamiya and I wish Platinum were never stuck making 2 sequels for it, when they had so much more in them to create more original works that could have sold way more than trannita. Even Nier and Astral Chain destroys any trannyta game, man Taura was the best director at plat, not Kamiya who was obviously too busy tweeting instead of fucking working.Yeah dodge ofset is genius, sure.
Moshi moshi, bait desu
>>731099703It actually is genius tho
>>731099848It is, yeah.and I'm sure that mechanically it's an excellent if you gid gud and master it, but honestly I just can't care when everything else about it is completely not to my tastes.
>can't hold down Y to invincibly autokill enemiesWTF
