>>731074397
no melee got killed by a murderous tranny cabal and every game after it sucked fuckin dick

>>731074397
nintendo refuse to make games which hurts a lot of their IP. a lot of smash characters haven't had a game in decades. Smash itself probaby will spend a decade without having had a new game

If nintendo don't make games then it's hard. You can't play games that don't exist. You can't be a fan of games that don't exist. You can't run tournaments of games that don't exist. You can't do lots of things if Nintendo won't do their side of the bargain by making the game in the first place

>>731074474
melee would be fine if Nintendo made a new smash. Melee looks great in comparison to the trash Nintendo makes so it steals all the players who get drawn in to the big marketing push for the new game

It's only dying now because Nintendo won't make a new game

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Half the roster is old as fuck and completely irrelevant in current year.

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its weird seeing old DK now

>>731074645
Yeah, that's what happens when IP holders sit on franchises and refuse to let anyone make any new games.

They won't make any games internally. They won't outsource out to some 2nd party studio. They won't license out the IP to an studio who could make a cool new game. They send ninjas after people making fangames.

What a big surprise that everyone in smash is irrelevant as fuck. You reap what you sow. Imagine being so against making some fucking videogames

>>731074791

the icing is zero merch too
for comparisons sake, capcom still does figures and such for their long dormant IPs
not a single captain falcon piece of merch exists even when hes debatably mr. smash bros. just zero attention all around

>>731074978
at least falcon got fzero 99. better than literally absolutely fucking nothing

>>731074791

I'd like to say Smash 6 will be this year since itll have been 8 since ultimate's release and getting it out early in the SW2s life to keep the character gravy train going, but who knows

>>731075128
Who's making it in that case? If Sakurai was doing Air Ride they'd have to have someone new on it

>>731075389

BAMCO again maybe, with a new creative director?
theyve got two internal Nintendo-dedicated studios in Studio S and Studio 2, the former's making a "2D action game" and the latter a "3D action game" (that's Kirby Air Riders)

to be honest I have a hard time believing that Nintendo can't find another man for the job of directing Smash when every other IP they have developed changes hands consistently

>>731074397
Only if there's a new one.
I hope they do some sort of roster reset and make it be a gimmick entry like mk double dash was to compensate. You can't keep expanding the roster infinitely

>>731074492
>nintendo refuse to make games which hurts a lot of their IP
Why is this?
You would think Nintendo would want to publish at least 2 games per month given the competition on PC and mobile devices. They have averaged one per month, but those limited selections are not guaranteed to appeal to everyone.
I can guess it's a matter of supply & demand, but that really sounds like Nintendo is too invested in their "Seal of Quality" despite their Switch games being abysmal and the Wii U being mediocre. Consumers should boycott this company instead of purchasing more due to gratifying feelings. Short term pain, long term gain.

>>731074474
>no melee got killed by a murderous tranny cabal
What?

>>731074397
Only if the next game is Ultimate Deluxe instead of something completely new.

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>>731077365
a bunch of random irrelevant twitter/reddit trannies and obese+tranny tournament organizers who came out of the woodworks and were all shit at the game banned a top player named Hax$ (who was a beast and did a ton for the game) from tournaments for rightfully saying another top player was an actually sociopathic piece of shit, but they defended the asshole Hax$ blew the whistle on because he has gay anime hair and they wanted to fuck him.
then they bullied him on twitter 24/7 while keeping him banned and calling him crazy for years until he jumped in front of a train after they ruined his life and his living that he did ever since he was really young and harassing and fucking with him in various other ways.
random tranny faggots would just join in on the attacks too like a mob so there were a shitload of people harassing him and they were all irrelevant fags who are shit at the game. this became his whole life and was completely undeserved. and they all got away with it and none of them feel bad about it.
picrel is one of the obese ogre troons mainly responsible for his death and banning and he has no remorse at all because he's a non-human retarded ball of lard. he was even laughing on a stream after Hax$ died.

>>731077841
>I look like this

>>731076401
>roster reset
Ahahahahaha, no. Nintendo knows damn well that for better or worse, its bigass roster is one of Smash Bros' selling points. At most we're losing a few third party characters that are too annoying to hash out a deal for and a handful of first/second parties that aren't prioritized in development. And that's assuming they don't pull off the Herculean feat of bringing everyone back and using that as a major selling point.

-They will announce another Smash for Switch 2
- The board will be taken over by furries and pedos campaigning for their favorite scrimblo bimblo they want to see in the game for a year
- The game will come out, melee fags will hate it, newfags will love it
- The game will be another minimum viable product offering from Nintendo. It will have less content than Ultimate but cost about 50% more once all DLC and mandatory online subscriptions are factored in
- The game will have insane latency, horrible netcode, and be basically unplayable as a competitive game
- Despite strong initial sales, the playerbase will die in 3 months
- People who dont play the game will track it's sales numbers so they can console war on /v/
- People who hated Ultimate will now love Ultimate and post daily in Smash threads asserting Ultimate is peak while not playing any of them

Its all so tiresome

they need to completely reboot the series with a new engine or I won't even bother looking at it

>>731078236
i dunno why eveyr smash game is so barebones these days. brawl was really fully featured, and instead of building on that every game since has just been a skeleton

>>731078236
>- People who hated Ultimate will now love Ultimate and post daily in Smash threads asserting Ultimate is peak while not playing any of them
literally no one did this for brawl or tr4sh, those games sucked ass and everyone knew it. ultimate is still pretty bad but it's definitely the best of the 3

>>731074397
no.
/thread

>>731078443

Ultimate wasn't quite barebones but has a LOT of superficial content
Truly, i'd take 25 good stages in smash 6 over ultimates like 80 + stagebuilder

>>731074751
I hate NuDK so fucking much

>>731078673
80 stages and like 70 of them are egregiously unplayable. way beyond just "not tournament viable" it's like 70 pokefloats-tier stages

>>731074474
>>731074562
Brawl is the best smash game though.

>>731079254
bait

>>731078457
smelee is garbage meleeschizo. Brawl was the peak and every game since then has tried to appeal to you compedos and you cry its not enough.

>>731074397
I doubt it. The community continues to split itself apart and being taken over by trannies and fat fucks. This game is somehow a magnet for these sorts of people. Also they're still feeling the effects of the 2020 mass diddling exodus and therefore are constantly derided on social media for being the kid fucking game community, the kfgc if you will. The super smash bros general can't even stay alive on /vg/ anymore idk what's gonna happen to the west hemisphere's fighting scene. Japan seems to have their shit together though

>>731079325
Nah it's true. Smelee sucked dick and had no soul. The only people who play it, play it in the most unfun ways possible with only a few characters and a few stages so they can abuse the glitches.

>>731079343
every word in this post is pure delusion; you belong in a straight jacket

>>731079343
they obviously have no idea what the fuck they're doing then. it's just been more slow, retarded, dogshit brawl.

>>731074474
>murderous tranny cabal
So just typical Meleefags?

>>731074397
I doubt a game will come out this year, I assume Sakurai will still be the one leading it, and he seemed to be occupied with Kirby Air Ride until recently. Unless he can juggle two projects at once. But I hope Sakurai let's someone else direct the game, he can be a supervisor, but it needs new talent.
>>731077841
How did Hax die? I haven't kept up with Melee in years.

If you got into Melee after Evo 2013, you are eternally a secondary and your opinions mean jack shit.

>>731079438
nah meleefags do with all the fucked up things they've done. Brawlchads haven't made anyone kill themselves or film porn inside of gyms, unlike meleefags.
>>731079538
Nah if it was like brawl we would have gotten more content. Instead its gay comptranny shit which is smelee.

>>731079956
you must be really retarded if you think every character doing the same gay shit is comptranny

>>731079956
>gay comptranny shit
actually makes blatantly pay to win characters like a boss

>>731074397
Hopefully not I've never seen an fgc more deserving of their downfall. Infested with ts and crying about only be seeing as a pedo den after the allegations. Can't blame a grown man who plays as a nintendo character for a living for wanting to touch kids it's just in their nature

>>731080046
Brawl never had that though.

>>731080484
yeah it was just horribly balanced off the rip

>>731080572
>Balancetroon
Nigga nobody cares about that besides smelly pedo troons.

>>731080884
me when I mash 1 button on meta knight and kill everyone

>>731079254
brawl is the best from a content perspective. melee is the best mechanically but only second-best from a content perspective, which is still pretty impressive considering it was rushed out in less than 13 months

it's fucking unthinkable from a modern perspective that smash 64 came out in 1999 and melee came out in 2001. We could have had a new smash game every 2 years if they kept that up, we'd be at Smash 16 by now. Instead we're gonna hit a fucking decade with no smash, and with the last 2 smash games being complete duds. What a disaster. I hope they find a different company to make the damn game, Bandai suck

>>731079343
none of the games have tried to appeal to comp players whatsoever

>>731080884
actually my normie friends stopped playing brawl after we played it 1 single time after my friend bought it because I picked metaknight by chance and everyone instantly knew the game was dogshit

>>731080931
Nice falling for memes from 2008.

>>731081025
you probably weren't even alive in 2008

>>731080984
Comptrannies should realize then that smash isn't a fighting game and play an actual fighting game.
>>731081007
Nice fake larp Meleeschizo.

>>731081061
I accept your concession.

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>>731080946

the jump from 64 to melee was insane
being introduced to nintendo's cast in that level of 3D at the time was too good

>>731074397
Probably not. People only bitch about it these days anyway.

>>731081081
you're the one that sounds fucked in the head

>>731081146
trolling online is a morally bankrupt activity and you WILL burn in hell for all eternity

>>731081224
I'm not hurting anyone so I wouldn't say i'm fucked in the head. Meleefags on the other hand...

um actually I won the internet argument because I said so.

>>731081184
it's genuinely crazy how good melee looks when you consider how 64 looked only 2 years earlier. it's like all the progress was made in those 2 years alone, considering how none of the later games really improved on how melee looked. It's basically all just sidegrades after melee

>>731079254
>brawl da best
>cue mass exodus of players to next game
>tr4sh da best
>cue mass exodus of players to next game
>ultimate da best
and so on. the most-recent-game fans have no real loyalty and only pretend their garbage is worth anything.

>>731081531
yes the late 90s-2000s was a time of extreme progress in the computational space. you sound like you are too young to have experienced that but it was so fast that pop-culture would make jokes about shit like "lol I got this computer last month it's already out of date!" and it was only slightly exaggerated.

final fantasy 9 and 10 came out THE SAME YEAR

>>731081719
really have to add to this: video games were once the bleeding edge of a technology that was rapidly changing the entire world. it was quite a time to be alive

>>731079254
Based, the last Smash game with SOUL

>>731081719
I mean I was there, it's just impressive even in retrospect

>>731077841
This is also why a lot of people are stepping away from the scene entirely. It's a domino effect of thought policing half the playerbase and digging up dirty of anyone they don't like. Then less people want to play, so less money goes into it, so now you have less tournaments and majors because one small thing will get you banned. Even mango is calling it quits because it's just not worth it anymore.

>>731078673
Doesn't help that you play about 10% of the stages for competitive because of small things that prevent the competitive scene from adding them in. Not saying we need to have the arcade Donkey Kong stage or shit like that, but limiting the selection to flat stage with one to three platforms in different positions makes it boring to watch. At least with friends you're sometimes playing Hyrule or some other dumb stage for laughs.

>>731078673
the majority of stages is just "plattform that floats through scenery". There are also no boss battles, target test, All-Star, trophies...

>>731081184
I remember playing 64 to death as a kid, mowing lawns to get money to get a Gamecube, and absolutely being stunned and awestruck at how much there was to do with Melee. Even outside of regular Matches, it takes awhile to unlock trophies, characters, and stages, all the while you keep on trying different game modes to see what will be unlocked. Outside of Mewtwo's requirements, most of them are pretty easily doable by a young kid just playing everything they can, and even then you usually have friends over to play for hours.

>>731079643
Complications from a botched suicide attempt by train. Nigga had to get his leg cut off before he went. It was really bad.

>>731074397
I hope so. I miss roasterfagging.

>>731083126
>mewtwo
all you had to do was leave your gamecube on over night 1 or 2 times

>>731081531
Absolutely, man. Melee felt like stepping into some alternate future where Nintendo went full anime and juiced up every character. Seeing stuff like Samus's armor actually glow or Fox move at lightspeed after playing 64 was insane. Plus the speed and polish blew everything else out of the water. That intro cutscene alone was enough to make your tiny brain explode.

>>731074397
Rosterfagging is the worst thing ever. I suggest stagefagging and nintendo connected universe fan-fiction fagging for the next game.

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>Haven't played Smash competitively or interacted with the community since 2019
>Pretty check on it from time to time like how friend checks on his old friend every few years or several months
>Despite the controversy I heard Mang0 was in, I got weirded out by him playing LoL on my twitch feed
>It turns out he's been out of it ever since and casually announces his retirement on stream
>This account also confirms like 3 melee player retiring as well with one of them being aSMa
So is it really just joever for melee. I know Ultimate is dead asf after Nintendo told the community to get the fuck away from Evo but I never expected Melee to deteriorate like this. I guess niggas are growing old along with other complications to that. I remember somewhat laughing when I saw a Sm4sh commentator VikkiKitty commentating on a Marvel Rivals tournament I was watching at the time. P.S. how bad is the "trannyshit"? Was active from 2015-2019 as a smash 4/Ult player and while there was a slight growing uptick of them during my tenure, I never thought some ppl would cite them as one of reasons why the community has gone down the drain.

>>731083583
That's one of those things you had to look up or be told about it to know. Otherwise you'd probably unlock everyone else but him and Game and Watch until you looked something up or were told by your friends about him. That's why I single him out. Meanwhile Game and Watch just needs you playing as everyone.

>>731083823
this is the fate of all niche communities in america

>>731083823
it's extremely bad and no one likable is playing besides axe pretty much. the rest of them are scumbag wastes of life.

>>731082708
>Even mango is calling it quits because it's just not worth it anymore
No. He "called it quits" because he was caught drunkenly sexually harassing people during Ludwig's stream.

>>731074645
>Half of the roster is old as fuck and completely irrelevant in current year.
>Only 10 series haven't had new games in this generation

and I'm including Banjo and castlevania because they only have gotten rereleases and collections in this generation

>>731083823
ibdw killed the game really. he makes hbox look like a good villain.

Melee will come back whenever nintendo release another smash. Actually not even release. When they drop a big trailer, player numbers will explode again. We're in the typical lull before a new game annoucement

>>731086287
I can see a new Smash getting a new community, but the combination of Melee players being smelly, complicit in some harmless man's death and actual pedophiles in addition to being old fucks at this point. The community is just too rancid for anything large-scale to be organized. At best, you'd get local Melee groups organizing.

Shit's cooked.

>>731086817
Locals are already very healthy. That's not really the problem. Casuals are the ones who stopped paying attention. But a bunch of new blood will flow in as people get excited about a new smash. Well, assuming they actually release one. If they wait too long the zoomers who grew up on Fortnite and Roblox won't give a single fuck and everyone else will be dead of old age.

>>731074397
There will be a resurgence when there is a teaser for a new one towards the middle or end of the year, like the March 2018 Inkling teaser. Switch 2 will need as much hype as it can get going into the holidays unless they manage to get a 3D Mario out before then. A teaser would be the resurgence, as Smash fans are most active and hyped before the game is out. Once their hopes and dreams are crushed, most just turn around to hating the game.

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I concede to missing rosterfagging a little bit

>>731087356
i wanna talk about rosters again. if they can cut all the 3rd parties that'll be more fun, hope they go that route

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>>731086224
More or less. Scenes for ancient games like Melee inevitably drift away from the game itself and towards the players. Now that the old guard has finally gone, IBangedDad'sWife is all Melee has left. that mentally ill faggot has negative charisma, zero fans whatsoever. The game dies with him

I remember when Mango got cancelled, IBDW threatened to boycott any tournament he was in attendance of...lol

You want the kiddie fuckers back? There's always guilty gear if that's what you're into lmao

>>731074645
This. Not just in terms of their relevance, but their design too.

>>731079343
What an odd thing to say

>>731087356
>>731087439
I miss being hopeful one of my most wanted gets in, but I think we're in for the most bitchy hype cycle yet. With Ridley and K Rool getting in, who is left as a long requested never ever? The only characters that even get close to Ridley and K Rool in terms of how long they've been requested at this point are the likes of Waluigi, Bandana Dee, and Geno. Whoever they pick will only satisfy a much smaller section of rosterfags

>>731081642
No one pretended Brawl was good. That said, Smashfags do love to cope and cherry-pick specific mechanics or characters from games to try and redeem them.
>yeah, Brawl was literally unplayable due to Meta Knight and Ice Climbers...
>but remember DACUS?
>and glide tossing?
>and Brawl Lucario?
>and Brawl Marth?

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>>731082927
Ultimate has 8 tournament legal stages, 3 of which are exclusively starting stages. Obviously it's because it's designed to be competitive, but I find it funny that RoA2, a game with only 10* stages, has more tournament legal stage variety than Ultimate.
* - 12, if you count the doubles versions

Even when playing casually, there are a lot of stages in Ultimate I just don't pick. They should seriously stop designing stages with static walk-offs, like the Wii Fit one.

>>731083823
>after Nintendo told the community to get the fuck away from Evo
I think it's both Nintendo and Sony responsible for this, but yeah. Sony isn't going to let Smash at a Sony-owned marketing event, Nintendo doesn't want to bother when they barely care about competitive Smash at all.
>how bad is the trannyshit
Every Melee local I've watched in recent years has had a lot of trannies in pools or on comms. There are unironically fewer in Ultimate.

>>731090068
I hope you're ready for a bunch of AI "leaks" when Smash 6 is announced in 2027

>>731074397
>will there be a dead game with no new release for 2 years minimum resurgence in 2026???
why would there be

>>731074397
Yes.
And with Crash Bandicoot and Leon Kennedy as playable characters.

>>731074492
>>731076674
>refuse to make games
Nintendo doesn't refuse F-Zero or Star Fox out of malice, it's because they have limited internal resources and are stretched thin
It's never as simple as getting someone else to do it because someone else being capable != interested or even available.
Famicom Detective Club came back because an outside studio that specialized in VNs approached Nintendo about it

>>731091964
So it's like how Soul Calibur doesn't get that much attention from Bamco nowadays because the guy that was interested and capable of leading a project left?

>>731078236
>The board will be taken over by furries and pedos campaigning for their favorite scrimblo bimblo they want to see in the game for a year
What popular character is even left to campaign for? We got all the NEVER EVERS in Ultimate already.

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>>731079343
>every game since then has tried to appeal to you compedos and you cry its not enough.
Uh... I don't think you have the slightest idea of what competitive players want out of a Smash game

>>731091910
Crash is actually pretty likely to happen now that Microsoft owns him and Nintendo is already shown to be willing to work with them.

>>731074397
I doubt we'll be getting a new Smash in 2026 but we are almost definitely getting an announcement that one is being worked on to boost Switch 2 sales.

>>731092341
This. The only concessions that Ultimate made to competitive players was... what, rule sets and the ability to turn stage hazards off? Small battlefield? You can't even select 80% of tournament legal stages in standard online matchmaking.

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Smash will never return till the "fun" returns and I will never play a Nintendo game till they bring back "fun" to their game

>>731092641
The fact that Sakurai thinks the only thing competitive players want is more battlefield and final destination really showcases why every game after Melee has been such dogshit. He literally has the same mindset of a casual on gamefaqs in 2002 of what he thinks competitive smash is like.

>>731093006
>enter Elite Smash
>all characters are now disabled except Fox

>>731093006
I remember before melee blew up I got a Nintendo orientated magazine like 2002 2003 and they called wave dashing "walluala dash" or something weird he called and sakurai pointed it out. He was talking about his love for guilty gear and sf3 and other fighting games. There was stuff for teching and amsah as well. But then sakurai started hating his fans WHO MADE HIM WHO HE IS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>>731093286
Sakurai also documented Z-canceling and L-canceling on the web sites for 64 and Melee

>>731093363
Isn't it crazy we had that and it turned into this generic trash. What happened with him to hate evesyone

>>731093286
I hate how they seemed to start doing things out of spite in later games nintendo made in general. like brawl adding tripping, pokemon being more retarded than ever when it was already for single digit age kids with weird gay shit for some reason even though they made the game for 2-year-olds.

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>>731093535
You can take this energy and make something what you want. I think it's the most important time in video game history. Now is your time to make a mark. For all the bullshit they made do things better and stronger so the next generation can borrow from you and make a worse or better version of your own creation

>>731092071
Yeah and how Mega Man went on hiatus because Inafune left
These projects are pushed by very specific people with enough influence

>>731093517
I'm convinced some random japanese teenager who mildly knew how to play competitively raped Sakurai in a 1v1 Melee match and he's held a grudge vs comp players ever since.

>>731093936
based I actually am doing this

>>731093517
He holds grudges
>doesn't want to do another story mode on the scale of SSE because its cutscenes leaked
>doesn't want to make another competitively viable Smash game because of what happened with Melee
Like a lot of Japanese auteur-developers, he's just very stubborn and wants to curate players' experiences heavily. And he works with Nintendo, who are also notorious for this.

>>731074492
I think this is a good answer. A huge chunk of the Smash characters. Probaby half the entire roster of original Nintendo characters hasn't had a game in over a decade. Earthbound, F Zero, Star Fox, Kid Icarus, Punch Out, plus the novelty characters like Ice Climbers, Mr Game and Watch, and ROB who nobody under the age of 30 remembers their origin.

Nintendo just seems to want to pump out Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Kirby, and Fire Emblem games and almost nothing else. Maybe a couple Metroid games here and there but that is it.

We know a new Smash is in the works because we got a new Kirby Air Riders made by Sakurai. You can tell with 110% certainty that Nintendo letting him make a Air Ride sequel was his demand if they wanted him to lead another Smash project.

>>731090945
old "leaks"
>"Yeah, this blurry picture is probably fake, but what if it were real?"
>grinch movie poster printer incident
>"My brother is a playtester..."
upcoming "leaks"
>100% accurate rendition of your favourite in Smash, followed by soul-crushing despair when he isn't in the actual game

>>731095159
endless blurry photographs of AI renders

I haven't even wanted to play melee since they killed Hax$. It's kind of like not being able to listen to someone's music after they're a proven murderer rapist or something. Unfortunately I can't appreciate the music anymore for what it is and all of the pieces of shit taking control of the game also gives me no motivation to play it anymore.

>>731087356
>should there be another Smash, there will inevitably be the world's most autistic arms race to force the next Steveposting

>>731095001
>who nobody under the age of 30 remembers their origin.
I was 13 when Smash 4 came out and knew the origins of all those "obscure" characters and I'm currently 25 year old zoomer. Smash was extremely popular in the 10s and this was before online and mobile games like Fortnite raped the gaming marketplace so pretty much gamers had to solely gear towards buying consoles in order to enjoy the medium at it's fullest. Plus this is around the time when you had alot of theory/gaming fact channels like Did You Know Gaming explain this type of stuff to you. I'm sure your assertion is more befitting for anyone under 18 now to really not give a flying fuck about those characters

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You would think Smashfags would actually look at trophies, stickers, spirits, and all that shit. Nintendo pumps out a ton of shit you've never played or even heard of but nobody pays any attention because it's not from a franchise of an existing Smash character.

>>731097213
stickers are the biggest waste of time non content it's fucking jpegs. i can look it up on google images after typing in "rob the robot" or something

>>731097213
I'll forever be mad they removed trophies and replaced them with fucking PNGs they literally got off Google Images.

>>731095942
Someone here tried with meowscarada and it gave me so much second hand embarrassment.

>>731076674
It's like Hollywood movies, you want a smaller number spaced further out so they don't crowd each other out and soak up a greater number of sales overall.

>>731092145
They'll announce "we're reducing the overall roster size so that we can focus on [some feature that sounds like it requires more effort per character, like a full costume system]" and the arguments will be over who does and doesn't deserve to be cut

>>731097828
eventually every character in ultishit will be modded into melee except with good movesets and better gameplay.

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Post moveset changes you want
>down special reverted to tornado
>dash attack changed to dive
>side smash changed to hammer

>>731095001
>Earthbound
The Mother series not being whored out past its creator's (who co-owns the IP outright) wishes is a good thing
>Nintendo just seems to want to pump out Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Kirby, and Fire Emblem games and almost nothing else.
Nintendo doesn't actually make Kirby, Pokemon, and Fire Emblem
Those are made by outside studios and are IPs co-owned by Nintendo not owned fully by them.
See >>731091964

>>731097972
>modded into melee
Mods don't mean shit anymore now that every TO is afraid to run them.

>>731097972
We’re getting Smash Rex low-level amateur shit at best

Smash can only decline from here. There will have to be cuts because of manpower/licensing but there aren't really enough good first party picks left to be exciting.
Nintendo's basically added everyone of value as of Ultimate, that's why most the new characters were guests

>>731098558
I don't think licensing is gonna be an issue. Nintendo was able to get SORA from DISNEY. If they can accomplish that then nothing is off the table.

>>731098558
>muh roster
How about actually improvements to the gameplay.

>>731085880
>did he...did he air hump some e-thot because he was blowing more than twice the legal limit? and one of the chicks was laughing about it while the other chick just sat there instead of walking away?
>AIIIIIIEEEEEE SAVE ME! CANCEL HIM NOW NOW NOW!
Meanwhile actual pedophiles get off scot free because it's about being a heckin wholesome ally to trans folx

>>731098108
>dash attack changed to dive
This would be cool, especially if you could flip out of it or decide to slowly come to a stop. But that's a little too creative for the average Smash character moveset.

>>731097972
Speaking of which
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_llJNNc3XA

>>731074397
If there's a new game that doesn't completely suck dick, maybe. Ultimate had hope until the second wave of DLC ended and the balance patches left the game in the pathetic final state that it's in.

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>>731099326
>smash
>gameplay
Dude, it's time to let go. It's been 18 years since Brawl released, forever cementing Smash's status as a party game with shit gameplay. Sakurai isn't going to have some sort of Grinch epiphany where his heart grows 10 sizes and he realizes that fun, competitive and casual gameplay aren't mutually exclusive.
Brawl sold a gorillion copies. 4 sold a gorillion copies. Ultimate sold a gorillion copies, and is the single highest selling fighting game* of all time.
>Ultimate sold 37 million units
>the next highest selling fighting games are Smash 4 and MK11, at 15 million units
If you're Sakurai, Nintendo, and Bandai-Namco, what reason do you have to do anything but what you've been doing for the past 18 years?

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>>731087356
I've played a shitton of games since Ultimate. I'm more open to rosterfagging just because my tastes are wide enough that I'd be happy with most possible inclusions

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>>731101343
>brawl was 18 years ago
>japan time was 18 years ago

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>>731101730
I still remember reading the first real blog post for gooey bomb in my junior high's computer lab, while waiting to be picked up from school

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>>731075389
There are three candidates
>Bamco
>HAL
>The Mario Kart team

Smash probably went into production in 2023. This was around the time Bamco started hiring for an "action game with a side view". Around the same time, Nintendo began updating Smash Ultimate adding new tournaments and a few new spirits. Something similar happened with Splatoon 2 where, after ending updates, they started Splatfest up again a year later only to announce Splatoon 3 not long after. Nintendo has also updated the trademark for use in restaurants and hospitality.

The Mario Kart 8 Booster Pass ended in Nov 2023, right when Bamco put out the hiring and when they updated Ultimate. HAL is because they haven't had a project come out since late 2023 other than Kirby DLC and there likely wont be another Kirby game in early 2026 (it may also be why they asked Sakurai to make Air Riders are it was going to be a while for the next Kirby). Nintendo also likes to give games back to the original developer as shown with MP4 and Retro. Bamco could be because they are the ones hiring but they are a support studio so they could be working in that role. Sakurai did mention that he met with members of HAL during May 2024 so there's that. [/spoiler]Of the three, I'm leaning towards HAL. One thing weird about Kirby Air Rider's timeline is that Sakurai couldn't start till April 2022. This would line up with Kirby and the Forgotten Land ending but then he's using the Smash team which doesn't make sense. So there is a possibility something changed along the way and the teams got shuffled around with HAL taking Smash and Sakurai needing the Smash team to finish Air Riders[/spoiler]

>https://twistedvoxel.com/bandai-namco-studio-2d-3d-action-games-nintendo/
>https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2024/10/nintendo-cooks-up-new-food-and-accommodation-trademarks-for-pikmin-smash-bros-and-more
>https://gonintendo.com/contents/3961-sakurai-shares-that-he-recently-had-a-meeting-with-hal

Air Riders being Nintendo's idea that they asked Sakurai to make rather than the initial assumption of Sakurai wanting to take a break and do a passion project makes me think Nintendo has a plan for Smash already and they would like to see someone new give it a shot sothey told Sakurai to do something else. Air Riders first and then Sakurai gets to Smash means we'd still be looking at another 3 years before the game comes out and a Smash game that late into the system's life sounds insane to me

>>731102151
Interesting speculation.
I'm expecting an announcement by the end of 2026, maybe by February of 2027, and a release in holiday season of 2027 or early 2028. This is perhaps optimistic.

>>731102584

if not smash then hopefully Something Big besides pokemon gen 10 this year
the Switch 2 truly needs bigger hits

>>731100780
based but this is technically brawl and not the purity that is melee

>>731105348
Given recent developments, I'd rather just play P+ at this point over Melee

>>731105636
melee still feels better to play to me so if I had to play one it'd be that. but playing a different smash game i'm still playing a game that's connected to all of this gay shit. so might as well play the one I like the most.

>>731099307
Yeah I'm not sure why people think licensing will be the reason why there are cuts when every company involved with Ultimate seems more willing to play ball with crossovers than 2018-2021. Mrs Incredible is executing kids on their hands and knees with an AK47 in fortnite, Disney couldnt care less about Sora in Smash. You'd think Square Enix would want Cloud and Sephiroth back in considering they're trying to promote the remake series. I'm expecting an $80+ game that builds off Ultimate the same way Ultimate built off of 4, where most of the returning characters are largely untouched. Anything without all of Ultimate's roster would be seen as less than Ultimate by the general public.

Dragon Quest is the only one that I think could be difficult just due to the number of hands that are apparently in that pie.

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>>731101939
>was in 4th grade
>read the dojo every morning for updates
>Sonic was announced
>tell me friends at school
>they call me a liar and keep making fun of me

>>731081531
>it's genuinely crazy how good melee looks when you consider how 64 looked only 2 years earlier.
It really helps that all of the designs hadn't really been redesigned for that new generation yet. Everyone in Melee is basically what they looked like in the 64 and earlier eras, but if they had more polys and higher-res textures. It's genuinely a product of its time, and it's not something that can be replicated.

>>731087356
Rosterfaggotry unironically died with the Grinch leak. If there was any sign that characters wouldn't get in that weren't just be third parties and shill picks, it was that.

>>731102151
Good info, one thing I will note is that he wasn't using the Smash team to make Air Riders, it was a unique team. There was inevitably some crossover because it was a Namco + Nintendo project at one of Namco's Nintendo studios. Out of 900 staff members credited on Kirby Air Riders, 240 are credited as working on Smash Ultimate, which is a decent amount, but then you have to consider a sizeable chunk of that includes the senior Nintendo staff, localization teams of NOA, NOE, etc. The reason why he wasn't able to start Air Riders until 6 months after Smash was because they had to build a new team for the project, and the Air Riders team is now dissolved.

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>>731074397
no, melee has been slowly dying for over half a decade now and the top 5 characters in ultimate (steve, sonic, g&W, snake, ROB) make competitive ult akin to cock and ball torture. A new smash would be needed to drum up interest but Sakurai spent the last few years working on some retarded sequel to some shit GC game so it won't happen in 2026

>>731108952
it's funny that niggas really be like
>ultimate is fine, FP2 is the problem
when the new top 5 would just be:
>snake
>sonic
>game & watch
>luigi
>ROB

>>731109054
Steve is the only big problem in FP2 though DESU he's a huge fucking problem. Kazuya and aegis are top tiers but much more fair than those top 5 faggots

>>731108952
>A new smash would be needed to drum up interest but Sakurai spent the last few years working on some retarded sequel to some shit GC game so it won't happen in 2026
He's been working on nothing but Smash since the end of Kid Icarus Uprising, to the end of Ultimate's DLC. Most creatives would be bored out of their mind, working on the same thing for that long.

>>731102516
i think nintendo knows they have to make deep fundamental changes to the game so that there's a selling point over ultimate

>>731109178
I don't think he gets bored of Smash, I think he enjoys working with beloved properties and making a shit ton of money (he said he gets paid solely based on how his games sell, and Ultimate sold 35 mil+). He's made it clear he just does whatever Nintendo tells him to because he has no desire to make a game based on what he wants to play. The last game he made based on his own volition as opposed to an exec request was Meteos. Even Uprising was from Iwata telling him "make a game for the 3DS, and consider using a character that was in Smash"

>>731079254
It's that dogshit "story" mode, it's why you're glazing it, right?

>>731109320
Really? I think it'll sell gangbusters regardless of what they do, even if they reduce the roster. That said, I'd like to see them do something completely different.

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>>731109767
>It's that dogshit "story" mode, it's why you're glazing it, right?

>>731109320
I think the selling point will just be that it's a new Smash with new characters. Sure Ultimate has everybody but it won't have whatever crazy marketable huge pick they get for 6

>>731109580
Never mind about Meteos. For that, he was asked by Tetsuya Mizuguchi to design a falling block puzzle game. So really, the last game he made on his own volition was the original Air Ride, which he only chose to do because they needed a Kirby game to capitalize on the anime and he figured a racing game would take less time to develop.

>>731110174
>Look I sent an image with what you said next to it, it's you ah ah
I was the right age for this game when it released, and I thought that it was alright
It's just all that people have to say about this game is "eh, yeah, the gameplay isn't that great, it's unbalanced and tripping is shit but, eh, subspace emissary is peak guys"

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Smash 6 will introduce Moonwalker Michael Jackson as a newcomer.

Give me the dee

>>731111368
only if his Final Smash is turning into a mech and nuking the stage while Smooth Criminal blasts in midi quality. assist trophy is Bubbles who just sits there and heals you.

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>>731093286
>>731093363
>>731093535
What was always baffling to me is how Sakurai seems to hate Smash related tech like wavedashing but then goes on to give characters like Kazuya a Tekken wavedash, which wasn't an intended mechanic originally in its own series. This old faggot should understand players love utilizing cool techniques whether intentional or not, and rather than remove them to 'even the playing field,' it's better for them to be made slightly easier so lower skilled players can perform them more consistently over a shorter period of time.