Let's complain about the game and doompost about chapter 5
>>731076294Toby Fox: WHICH MUSICAL ARTIST SHOULD I STEAL I MEAN REFERENCE IN MY NEXT SONG...
>>731076676https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GC9p_dhetA
>>731076676https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1w_pWTQnwUHe can't keep getting away with it...
>>731076676https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cm7jwfjfQYidk pick something fun like nu metal. Something with heavy guitars and turntable scratching
>>731076842If team Snakemouth and the Fun Gang were to fight, in my heart I'd want Snakemouth to win but in all honesty they'd have no chance
>>731076294Suselle will happen and Asgore will be cucked. Shipfags will seethe.
>>731079113true because they are actually bug sized
>>731079180I just want a female schizo bosstoby is only making 5 of those and all 4 so far have been male
>>731079332The best I can see is maybe some sort of Mew Mew boss because you fight her in Snowdin in Undertale, but most likely we are getting FRIEND or a male boss like Papyrus. No chicks allowed in the schizo club except for the Roaring Knight I guess.
>>731076294Asgore cuck probability = 100%
Will anyone be more fucked over than Sans?
>>731076294I don't think this game could possibly live up to it's hype Toby is good but he's not that goodUndertale was great but he started with much lower expectationsThe end of Deltarune is going to disappoint people even if they never admit it
>>731079483If patterns are to be believed, the hot chicks are always the throwaway mini boss (Clover, Tasque Manager, Elnina, Miss Mizzle)
>>731079883>CloverI know you're joking but it would be much cooler if you were not
>>731079723The weirdest part is that Sans never says "we" in these or includes Papyrus. It's just him. How strange.
>>731079883Trust in the blue flower mentioned by Miss Mizzle
>>731079980I'm not into feral myself but I like their personalities
>>731080095I'm not falling for the meme yet again
>>731079332>I just want a female schizo bossBro, your Roaring knight?
>>731080203I jumped ship from the Mike train since the Sweepstakes.
>>731080398It's the exact same kind of foreshadowing Mike and Tenna (and Queen) got.I'm not even saying it will be another joke, but it might be something very minor, maybe not even a female.
>>731080323A final boss showing up early doesn't count. Much less one with zero speaking lines.I want someone with the Jevil/Spamton (or even Ramb) charm and build up but female.
Okay, so what if,Chapter 5 is, for the most part,a flashback chapter?
>>731080754that will be chapter 0
>>731080754Nah, Chapter 5 is the festival, you wouldn't give backstory until the 11th hour
>>731080623Tenna and Queen's dialogue was pretty accurate, but I don't expect the blue flower to be important by itself. She will be just part of the larger weeding bouquet flowers that will mirror the fallen children, and probably be called with "they/them" pronouns because of it.
>>731079332The cowgirl of the show Asgore watched will be the schizo boss, trust the plan.
>>731080754Too much foreshadowing against it. It will be the festival and the flower shop Dark World. Flashback is either 0 or next Chapter.
I don't have any negative opinions about deltarune & I still haven't played the latest chapters but if there's anything I can complain about it's how rushed the ending with queen was in snowgrave. It didn't feel organic & was more like "lets get it over with"
>>731076676Toby has gone too far... https://files.catbox.moe/1a2xy7.jpg
>>731079861The real danger is how much up his ass Toby is right now.Undertale had a good ending because the pacifist ending was the most straightforward happy conclusion possible. Will he bend the knee and let Deltarune's one ending be like that? Or will he try (and fail) to be smarter and deeper?
>>731081262Deltarune is not going to have a 100% happy ending, bittersweet at best
>>731080940That's on purpose. Queen isn't the focus of the Weird Route and fighting her would be too repetitive, plus she doesn't have Berdly so Toby would have to make a new fight.
>>731081336I know. And people will be mad.He need to at least do a good Gaster fight if he doesn't want a mob wanting to burn him by the end of this.
>>731081496I'm getting more and more the feeling Gaster isn't going to have a boss. You'll probably interact with him in some capacity on the weird route
>>731081557Exactly, and people will never forgive Toby for that.
>>731081496Gaster fight is the only thing that can surpass the Sans fight in popularity and fan impact.
how can I get the Freedom Motif IRL?
>>731081882Yup.Would it be real funny if it never happened? (Laughs)
>>731082001lots of DMT
>>731076294Asriel will appear on chapter 5purple and/or blue soul hidden bosses are irrelevant at this point.
>>731081882How would Gaster even fit into the story. He's 100% responsible for the inciting incident of Dess and Kris but the story has been about the holidays and Kris. How would you tie in Gaster with the overarching plot?
>>731081220rape
>>731076294what the fuck?the game isn't even out yet?
>>731076294I think... schizobros will lose and all the cool lore mystery shit will not be relevant at all.
>>731082318Pay attention to the hymnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmi3LMgxEgwThey pretty much worship Gaster as a god without knowing it.It's could be the "JRPG where teens kill God" thing played straight.
>>731082001Dilate a little harder
>>731082318Gaster is clearly the creator of Deltarune itself and thus the prophecy ("My Deltarune" and the prophecy being literally "the legend of Deltarune). That in turn already makes him connected to every single plot beat as they all happen because of his prophecy.
>>731082582Pretty much this. Episodic games kill the hype.
>>731082582Schizobros haven't lost as much as plotfags like me
>>731076294I want to joke about Toby Fox getting killed in the Second American Civil war before the game is done, but he's fled to Japan so that won't work.
>>731083258That stick of a man would never be sent to the frontlines regardless lmao
>>731083402The frontlines would reach HIM, most likely.
>>731079997Its always been my opinion that only Sans is from Deltarune. At the very least Papyrus seems to follow UT's rules and dies like a normal monster.
>>731083258He'll be killed in the imminent rise of the new Shogunate
>>731083640It's really weird because Papyrus is Sans’s brother. Unless Deltarune Papyrus died and Sans took his own place as Undertale's Papyrus brother.
>>731082719I don't get it. As in my eyes?
>>731083640>>731083787His DR brother is gaster
>>731083924you got it, finally.
>>731079997>>731083640>>731083787Sans Undertale and Sans Deltarune are different guys, and they've been working together to prank you for the last decade by creating this mystery and leaving hints.
>>731083735>"THE IMPERIAL WAR MACHINE HAS BEEN UNLEASHED! DO NOT STRUGGLE AGAINST WHAT IS INEVITABLE. ALL WHO STAND IN THE WAY OF OUR DIVINE DESTINY WILL BE SWEPT AWAY BY THE MARCH OF HISTORY. YOU WILL BOW BEFORE US OR YOU WILL CEASE TO EXIST!"
>>731076294Friend WILL be Flowey but gayer.Friend WILL be an ugly 3D abomination.Toby WILL just reuse Spamton's music again for Friend.Spamton WILL continue being the best schizoboss.
>>731076294I don't like Susie. Sorry, I just don't! Haha
>>731083943>Papyrus is Gaster theorists from pre-Deltarune won
the only way Toby can fumble at this point is by trying to dip into any undertale endings and using the same story beats, not giving the vessel back with the recurring thing of "things not being thrown away like trash", and not giving us either a Kris one v one on the normal route and a vessel and Noelle versus the fun gang in the weird route.
>>731083258Based nipponese (honorary) Toby.
>>731084085I like themes for FRIEND that use Spamton’s theme.https://youtu.be/XBZ7mxZG0NE
>>731084085Peaking early so hard will forever be the tragedy of Deltarune.Not even attempting to replicate it (the appeal, not doing the exact same shit again) will forever be the foolishness of Deltarune.
>>731076294It is taking TOO LONG for how little real substance there has been in the last two chaptersIF you told me that we would've gotten these 4 chapters in the span of 2 years then I would have been OK with it
>>731084196Also not explaining any of the mystery boxes he set.
>>731084794we should be happy we even got Spamtonhe almost became an IRL Goner had it been for those meddling play testers
>>731084794>Not even attempting to replicate itNah this is a good thingYou shouldn't try to force perfection, if anything his willingness to do other stuff is a sign of a wise artist. With that attitude I'm sure we'll eventually get something comparable in the upcoming chapters.
>>731084905I can't fucking believe the 2 chapters made with less resources got more bosses than the 2 made with a full team
>>731084794He did replicate Spamton, though. Tenna is literally another Spamton but not a schizo. Toby even said it was like Spy vs Spy.
>>7310849053-5 were supposed to be released all at once
What are your worst fears regarding chapters 5 6 and 7?
>>731084963there are to sides of this coinMantle didn't go on for even longer because the testers told him it got boring>>731085032Sticking to what worked before works well, specially when you can't replace it with something better>>731085129I can't understand people who say this. Tenna has none of the appeal from Spamton to me. He is just another Queen.Ramb is the one that got close to being a new Spamton, while giving a nice twist to the "crazy man" formula
>>731085242And if that had been the case the wait would have been even more ridiculously longImagine going from 2021 to 2026 to get any new content
>>731085345>Self destruct button on the feet >Gaster is never seen again
>>731084794NTA, but I would admire Toby for sticking to his idea. Even if chapter 2 ends up being the peak that means somebody could just make a spiritual successor to Deltarune that's just silly episodic adventures.
>>731085439Waiting, not going
>>731085345>the writing style of the demo chapters getting even more left behind than they already are>dark world shenanigans being completely sidelined by light world family and relationship drama>a Jevil style fight never again>no muffet and glyde
>>731076294
>>731076294Weird route being "play the game again with slight changes" after ch 2 has been disappointing so far.
>>731085345Honestly, and I don't even 100% hate Noelle X Susie, but I would be rather disappointed if their love ends up being the solution.
>>731085775I agree, for what’s probably going to be essential, the game isn’t doing a good job of letting you skip like it has with the crystals
>>731085369Tenna is like a Spamton who never went schizo and stayed a big shot. Probably why you don't think he's like Spamton since you associate him with only being a schizo.Reminds me of AUs where Spamton took Queen’s role.https://youtu.be/57lex-K7gTQ
>>731085345We never get any explanation for Gaster, Sans and any of the Undertale connections Deltarune has. I really just want to know why Sans has those photo albums, man.
>>731085920Tenna isn't nowhere as scummy or evil like Spamton is. That's what I liked about Spamton, besides the schizophrenia.
>>731086140Tenna is scummy but you are right he isn't evil. They still have similar vibes, though. Even Toby thinks so.
>still haven't played chapter 3 & 4>"nooo anon you are going to miss out on all these great threads we're gonna have!">see this threaddon't think i missed out on much lol
>>731086441He gets scummier with his employees, but the chapter ends right after that side of him shows up.I can see the "similar vibes" but only for the fujos who where expecting to ship SpamTenna even before the chapter came out.I like the Tenna we got, but I was a Gangster Tenna fag for a reason during the WAIT years.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJBxpqs7i28
>>731086637>don't think i missed out on much lolyou honestly didn'tthought if you're a zelda fan like your reaction pic suggests, you might like chapter 3
>>731086637And you are just waiting because you want to be cute about it just like you are being right now
>>731076294if asgore doesnt get his redemption, i will drop deltarune after 8 years
>>731076676https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywSnMoGhKKs
>>731086825nah it's more that i don't wanna be miserable like you
>>731086806>uses cd-i reaction image>zelda fananon, i...
>>731080818People are expecting chapter 5 to be the flower shop dark fountain. Festival might be the post-dark world hometown segment.
>>731086637You missed the great threads, now threads like this one are all that's left
>>731086840Asgore will likely>accept and support Toriel and Sans like a massive cuck>sperg out about them and come off as the bad guy>be completely at fault for Dess going missingOr, the worst alternative of all...>he gets back with TorielToby will only be based if he is the hero of the story and finally gets over Toriel. Maybe even smashes doll or fish pussy in the end.
>>731087023you never know
>>731087040>Susie and Kris stand omniously upon this door>she opens it expecting the worst>it's just a closet, no dark world>there is absolutely nothing out of the usual there
>>731086735I get what you mean but I really like the Tenna we actually got. I think he's better than the gangster one because the way he reflects and show the damage of the Dreemurr divorce on the house itself is cooler than most fantakes.
>>731086637It's been half a year since the chapters came out. You missed the lightning fast threads with all the OC and memes. Although to be fair that era also sucked because the jannies kept deleting every single thread.
>>731076294to think one day I was crossing my fingers for a flower shop chapter, and now I'm absolutely horrified of how wrong that could go>>731087657I guess I should accept darkners are nothing but allegories for lightners's emotional turmoil by this point
I'm suprised more people aren't pissed about the fact that the hospital dialogue after the noelle house segment seems to allude to the fact that Berdly will be in the hospital in all routes. So no joke Berdly date.
>>731087989huh?explain it to me
>>731087989Damn that actually does suck
>>731087989What dialogue?
>>731087847>I guess I should accept darkners are nothing but allegories for lightners's emotional turmoil by this pointEvery since chapter 1 I predicted that because of how Lancer and King acted as tools for Susie’s character development.
>>731088038>>731088040>>731088051If you check the hospital doors when it's raining after the Noelle section, it mentions that it's closed because of something something bird flu or whatever the fuck.
>>731088106I just had assumed they were used as character development means *besides* being their own characters and having their own motivations.King repeating her phrase was just the usual kind of narrative device you see elsewhere, for example.
>>731088306goddamntoby will really railroad us into watching suselle unfold no matter what
>>731088306So I’m guessing Suselle ferris wheel is gonna be canon then (With Kris also)
>>731088306I thought that was just an excuse so we wouldn't see Rudy in the hospital.
>>731088502We are too late in the game for major darkner characters to show up, so the flowers will just serve for Asgore’s development. Ralsei will be the only darkner with real character development and arc.
>>731079723>>731083640If this multiverse/universe reset shit is actually true I'm going to hurt toby fox, it's so retarded. Just have the two games be seperate with slight references.Unfortunately I feel it might be with stuff I heard from a friend who read homosuck apparently there are way too many parallels and it sounds like deltarune is going to do similar shit.
>>731088809Ralsei will get his solo boss fight against NEET papyrus and get his scarf
>>731088961This is also my theory since Papyrus literally gives Flowey a scarf in the alarm clock. Not a solo battle, though. That was a Susie thing only.
>>731088941It was true the moment Gaster started monologuing about us looking for him and being an Undertale character before being a Deltarune character.
Instead of shipping furries with shitty self inserts why not try getting laid instead
>>731088809>Flower darknersThe golden flower will just be straight up Flowey. And it will be kino.
>>731090226It will be Flowey but good. Genuinely. That's the twist and it will explain why Papyrus liked Flowey so much
does anyone know of any programs for creating conspiracy corkboards? i'm using obsidian at the moment but it's not really clicking
>>731090061Chapter 5 will definitely kill all the shiptards.
>>731088941Deltarune is just pre-scratch Undertale. Obviously.
>>731089746Kris fought Spamton NEO alone on the weird route
>>731083640Except Papyrus -- Undertale's Papyrus -- briefly recalls seeing a place with "green grass" during a newsletter QNA from almost 3 years ago.
i just don't see how the sans/papyrus shit is going to be a good story with a satisfying conclusion
>>731091073The only place with green grass in Deltarune is the Man Country btw.
>>731091040Yes, on the Weird Route. Meanwhile the normal route is a regular fight against him. People wanting a Ralsei solo fight are running in the same traps that schizo predictions post Chapter 2 did where they made everyone Spamton 2.
>>731076294I think it's far worse than Deltarune and it feels like it's just milking the fans. Even the much referenced fever dream seems like some bullshit to bait the fans because I don't know about you fellas but I have a hard time believing a person can remember the distressing nature of a fever dream after 30 years have passed or whenever the fuck he said he had it. I can remember a few notable dreams years later but they just labeled like "The nuke dream" with the barest outline of what it was but with none of the actual punch that comes from the moment. I will give him credit though that it doesn't appear he's preying on his fans sexually. His orbiters certainly are, but I think he's got enough sense to keep his dick in his pants and keep the money flowing
>>731091120DR is an AU prequel to undertale, this means the arcs are setups for that game>DR Sans is a homewrecking asshole who treats kids like shit, he teleports to UT and learns not to be terrible because of what he lost, he then fufills his promise to UT Toriel to look after you and be better than what he was>DR Papyrus is a NEET (Assuming the bro isn't gaster) who needs confidence, chapter 5 has something with him that will give him the confidence needed to start his UT life where he is outgoing and makes friends
>>731091549Anon, he had the dream in 2011. And he immediately wrote it down and came up with the original draft idea for Deltarune (also written down). Memory doesn't matter when you have the information right there. Also probably told a couple close friends at the time about it too, which means Andrew Hussie most likely knows the ending to Deltarune.
>>731091572yeah that's not satisfying at all
>>731091549Toby clearly wrote the actual script of the game after Undertale was mostly made. At this point I am sure the fever dream was just how Toby had the idea of the Dark Worlds. That's why Ralsei’s explanations talks about seeing monsters in the dark. Toby saw his objects as weird monsters when having the fever dream and had the idea of Deltarune.
>>731087737the gamer fuel and dragon blazers stealth threads were arguably better than the named ones because it filtered out all the retards initially while also sneaking through under the jannie's nose
>>731092134Those were good times. It was hilarious that the janny learned enough lore to nuke them on sight latter. We teached him the game's plot.
>>731091968didn't he say the overall plot wasn't written down until 2016/17 and the finer details until 2020?before that it was just the fever dream ending + some character details
>>731091797DR isn't about the UT cast, i don't know why you were expecting sans to hijack the plot.The only reason the UT are being reused at all is to show them in a different context to show different aspects of their characters in both games like showing what the fallen child was like through kris and how the goats divorce to support the DR story.
>>731092249imagine being forced to learn everything about a game you hate because you cannot suffer to let a thread live would've been better for his mental health to just leave them alone so they dried up naturally
>>731086840Asgore and Soriel plotline is too much of a B or even C-plotline. It's chapter 5 out of 7. I think the only purpose to include "Asgore being jealous" plotline is to make him act as a red herring who seemigly cause fire, but it turns out Noelle is the one getting jealous over Krusie at the festival and freaking out while Asgore gets the blame.
>>731083735He'll be hunted down by based krusie bros and kriselle sisters.
>>731092284Yes. The script of Deltarune was only finished in 2020. That's why Chapter 1 didn't have Shadow Crystals, for example.
>>731092350The most popular theories for Chapter 5 is how it all will be about a Undertale character, though.
>>731092353Yeah, we legit mindbroke him. Janny is the schizoboss of Chapter number 5.
>>731092772Gaster is a DR character, always has been. As for Asgore being chapter 5's boss, his role in the story supports Kris' story and the whole themes of the game of using dark fountains as ideal worlds. It's not something stupid like "And then Papyrus was the knight" or "then sans gaster blastered him".It's all being done to prop up DR, like how Gerson was UT fanservice in service of chapter 4's story of Susie growing
Susie and Ralsei should have been cut from the script from the very beginning.
>>731093365>Kurisu and Luka should had been cut off from the script of Stein Gate
>>731093142>Spare Schizojanny>Get an armor that reduces all D$ earned from battle to 0
>>731093476Never played that game but I also 100% agree.
>>731093158If Gaster is a Deltarune character, then the two characters closely associated with him would also need to be important to Deltarune. Plus Sans is the only character with direct connections to Deltarune, more than Asgore is. People wanting him to be important or for Toby to at least the connections he himself set up in Undertale.
>>731092284>didn't he say the overall plot wasn't written down until 2016/17he didn't say that
>>731093365All i care about is Kriselle, Dess, Gaster and (You)/(Me). Everything else is bad writing.
>>731092350i'm expecting their inclusion to have some meaning retard
>>731093614*isn't a big askFor some reason forgot to add that to my original post.
>>731080095Please be the schizoboss
>>731093717Sorry bro, Gold has dibs as schizoboss. Blue is gonna be the silly midboss along side orange and cyan.Purple and green are shop keeps.
>>731093717All of them and Asgore will be the main boss for Undertale fanservice. We will finally get the Asgore + souls fight we were denied of.https://youtu.be/9OSnPGegFHk
The flowers are all gonna be "better"/"perfect" versions of the kids they match. Blue I hot girl berdly. Cyan is well behaved Kris. Yellow brave Noelle ect ect. With the bug huge twist is that Ralsei was the green flower this whole time.
>>731076294YOU CAN'T UNRAPE THE DOE, TOBY!
I'm here for the Chapter 5 Weird Route.
>>731094570Same. I can't wait for our love to find its way to the girl.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBnGGdsfjpg
>>731076294>thought each subsequent chapter would have other classmates (Monster Kid, Catti, Jockington, etc.) going into the Dark World>thought the Weird Route would have others becoming killers (e.g. Toriel killing Undyne) >thought there was going to be a bigger focus on Ralsei >nope, entire game's narrative and lore revolves around the lesbian deer>also no more schizobossesCh. 3 and 4 killed my remaining interest for the game.
>>731094390Why would Asgore give a shit about Berdly and why would he be described like this?>>731080623
>>731081557>>731081882>>731082318>>731093158>>731093614GASTER is a literal EASTER EGG, that is why he looks like an EGG and why you can make the words EASTER EGG using the letters of his nameHe will never be anything more or anything less than an EASTER EGGUnless The Forgotten Man's dialogue about DELTARUNE WAITING for 11 years would mean something, since this year it will be Undertale's 11th anniversary and Chapter 5 is coming out this year
>>731076294The only doompost I could make about chapter 5 is Dess being the knight. if Amalgam knight is true, I will roar in celebration>If the knight was a holiday, it would not be referred to as an it. An amalgam would. While the knight is referred to with they/them pronouns sometimes, Ralsei, the person most knowledgeable on the prophecy, referring to them as an it is real telling.>In Chapter 1, the knight has been referred to as its own person. The whole guy behind the mask thing is a fanon misunderstanding.>Amalgams are shown to be able to shapeshift. No of the other Knight candidates have the correct build or ability to shapeshift.>They are created using determination, the substance that enables the creation of darkworlds. The shadow crystals being pretty much confirmed to be containers of determination only further solidifies the connection the knight has to determination and thus being an amalgam.>It would explain why the knight is kept secret, Carol running unethical experiments recently and creating abominations like these would be a major cause for concern>The knight is animalistic while also clearly being sapient, traits amalgams have.>This would explain why the knight has different voices. A shrill scream, a Noelle like yelp, and a laugh that sounds like friend. Amalgams have weird voices.>Amalgams are really strong so it's no wonder why it was able to carry Undyne so easily.>The knight has an affinity towards Kris because it views them as a comrade in arms against Carol's oppressive hand.>A lightner being created and treated as an object (darkner) with no freedom or agency of its own is the perfect set up for an emotional ending. An ending with Susie forgiving the knight and allowing it to live with her in castle town.The knight is capturing people to take their powers. It is also opening dark fountains to empower the soul. Together, the empowered soul and empowered knight will go into the depths and find Dess.
>>731094791There is also the flaw of the fact there are zero orange kid candidates. The post started with the idea of green flower Ralsei and worked backwards from there.
we've only got three chapters left and if they aren't at least six to seven hours each toby needs to answer a lot of questions. I'm personally hoping all of hometown gets sucked into a big dark world during chapter 5 and the roaring kicks off to start the last stretch of the game. We can't keep playing around with silly light world antics and leave the important stuff for the last two chapters especially when chapter 7 needs to include the epilogue
>>731094728Firegrave is impossible because it's too much work for Toby. He wouldn't give us yet another party member. This is why we will never possess Noelle in the Weird Route.
>>731080940The Weird Route makes the assumption that you're playing it after having already completed a normal playthrough. The condensed version of events is on purpose.
>>73109481211 years is the deadline Toby has to finishing Deltarune. So 2011.
>>731095237*2029I have no idea how I made that mistake. Brain confused fever dream date with actual Deltarune date I guess.
>>731094989It's pretty clear the flowers are apparelels to the SOULS Asgore had in Undertale and it will act like a fake family to him.
what is the most overrated deltarune song
>>731095450pandora palace
>>731095450Freedom motif
>>731094902Its going to be so funny when the big reveal is papyrus and dessfags shit their pants in blind rage
>>731095563As a big Papyrus fan him being the Knight would be dogshit
>>731092249>>731092353>>731093142>>731093523Nigger who the fuck do you think you're fooling, kill yourself.
>>731095862Schizo moment.
>>731095936When are people going to learn that screenshots are not actual proof against samefagging?
>>731095450lost girlthat thing now is showing up at the most undeserving spots
What’s the appeal of Kriselle?
>>731096009It's the only prove there is outside of telling samefagschizo to kill himself or hoping jannies nuke him again.
>>731095450third sanctuary dark and second are better imo neverending night mogs all three though
>>731096059Childhood best friends Angle and demon motifs Literally MADE for each other.
>>731096009I think the better question is in a scenario where Poopy Joe existed, why exactly does he think his ESL ass can't be identified.
I can feel it in my bones. The deltarune ending is gonna suck so bad people will retroactively decide game of thrones homestuck and stranger things endings weren't actually that bad.
>>731076294The ending will be like the ending of OFF where you get the choice to fight yourself
>>731096059>SELF INSERT DOE ASS PROCEEDNow that we have this out of the way.Their connection, as implied by the dialogue when they're going around cyber town, feels genuine and meaningful. From the casual, the banter, the moments of opening up.There isn't a single hint of plain lust pretending to be something deeper, unlike other ships I'll not name.
There will be no hypetrain or cool hidden story route resolution. Most probably the things people theorize now will be things like mike, a nothingburger. No gaster, no connection to Undertale, no cool plot twist or anything, probably the cat or the knight will be a quirky chungus meme.
Unironically, will she redeem herself or does she going to be labelled as "le evil and bad homophobic mom>:("I personally think she'll be something like Asgore in undertale.
>>731096562Could be cool if done rightBut I have my doubts
>>731096728look at kingtoby can't let himself write an actual evil character that isn't the player
>>731095450field of hopes and dreamsmost ch. 1 music, honestly
>>731095450Third/Second Sanctuary. Dark Sanctuary is much better.
>>731096728Toby literally did the classic “guess who’s taking your daughter on a date” line. Noelle’s character climax will be her finally standing up to her chud mom and becoming a open lesbian
>>731096380I don't think that particular schizo has posted in Undertale/Deltarune threads for years, now. Isn't he utter obsessed with Mother 3 now?
>>731096729Nah it'd be the most predictable twist And you already do "fight" with Kris basically
>>731096661The main thing that will break people will be the game only having one ending and recruiting darkners being the only thing that affects it.
>>731094902The suggestion we've had that the shadow crystals are determination definitely leads to a suggestion that the knight might be an amalgam. But I fully expect Toby is going to throw people for a loop on what Seam is about to say here.
>>731097067And Kris just doesn't have the energy for it, resentful teen is a different vibe from someone with a determined mission who even if you do turn in and kill, has no remorse or guilt for what he did and just said "too late dumbass" to you.
>>731096728I don't know if she'll completely "redeem" herself, but I'm sure she's going to get some more depth to her later on. I think Toby's just going heavy on the mean stuff early on so the inevitable twist hits harder.
>>731097124It will be really funny if recruits matters that much in the end, because they're essentially the mirror of the kill count from Undertale. "Spare an arbitrary number of enemies to get extra content!" sounds like the kind of thing UT was criticising, if the common interpretation is to be believed.
>>731096485Homestuck's ending wasn't that bad. What was bad was what briefly preceded it, and what came after. The writing is already on the wall with Deltarune's ending being planned years in advance. If the warning signs start to show in Chapter 6 I'll just jump ship.
>>731097402>the warning signswhat would be those?
I am the Noelle-KnighterAsk me anything
>>731096728No Undertale/Deltarune character is pure evil. She will be redeemed later on.
>>731097541Why would you do Noelle knight when dess knight makes more sense ?
>>731097541do you prefer spamton or jevil?
>>731097541Did your mom drop you on your head as a child
>>731097303We already save Tenna and Jackstein thanks to it. So far they are the only thing that changes the fate of certain characters.
>>731097717The ending will be the same but the amount of characters happy before the end will change
>>731097541If you're going to be a contrarian, can you at least be funny about it?
>>731097541How is it like to be clinically insane?
>>731097717hold onJack can die too?
>>731095450now's your chance to be a & Big shot
>>731095450most of chapter 4 songsbiggest exception is a dark zone
>>731094812>Gaster is a literal Easter egg.>Gaster is associated with Chapter 6.>YFW Chapter 6 releases on EASTER SUNDAY.
>>731096728she's going to be a loving mother driven to extreme ends and willing to sacrifice everything else to get her daughter backit is so fucking obvious
The Roaring Knight is the second hardest fight I've ever beaten after Touhou PCB final boss on normal
>>731098315It’s not that bad >Defeated mantleless
>>731097893Yes. He falls to his death
>>731096728ch4 itself already heavily hinted at carol being stuck in the past about her family she doesn't hate noelle in the slightest she just has no idea how to connect with her and is doing what she thinks is best for her without understanding that she doesn't want thatwe will see a scene like what happened with queen at the end of ch2, universal mother theory has is yet to be wrong
>>731097541how long have you believed in iti was once an alphys knighter before ch3, but now i'm coming around on noelle knight myself
>>731087989>>731088306This actually does piss me off, god damn.
>>731098315Sans and Undying are harder than it.
I FUCKING LOVE UNDERTALEI FUCKING LOVE DELTARUNE
>>731098623I only remembered now I didn't even bother to finish my snowgrave save on chapter 4, that's how much I'm checking out of the game>>731098907welcome to the club
>>731098315knight with mantle really isn't that hard once you get the attacks figured outwithout the mantle is definitely a challenge but once you learn how to no hit the sword halls it's only a matter of time
>>731099074I FUCKING LOVE TV
>>7310979976 and 7 will release on Christmas.
>>731099187god please do it toby it'd be so funny
TOBY! It's been 2026 for SEVERAL weeks! Where the fuck is my chapter 5!!!!!!!!!??????!?!!!?!?!???
>>731097997Impossible, that's on april, earliest release date will probably be in july.
>>731099074Me too.
>>731099360>https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/autumn25/>Factoring the localization and testing... I don't think that the game will be released in the first half of 2026.If the game hasn't been released by the time july is over then you can actually start screaming.
>>731099487imagine if toby wasn't translating and testing the game into japanese before chapter releases, instead of doing it after like most games domaybe we would actually get chatpter 7 before the 7 year mark
>>731099487I'll be generous and give him until Undertale's 11th anniversary before panicking, and Chapter 1's 8th anniversary before making JevilAnon's vocaroo rants look like live readings of zen poetry.
>>731076294I hate how Toby has to shove this faggot into literally everything nowHe's a great character, but not great to the point where I need to see him 24/7
Sorry I'm late. You called?
>>731076294The part of Deltarune where Susie Gaster said "Truly, this was a Delta Rune." before unbirthing the soul into her Dino pussy.
>>731099716Lol
>>731099661Toby wants him to be the Sans of Deltarune where he is the mascot of the game. That's why.
>>731099631Sorry, chud, but Toby would rather make the game Japanese exclusive than western exclusive.
>>731099654If it really ends up releasing on september, or worse, october, then it does not bode well at all for the next two chapters. If it really takes that long to just translate and test, then there's little chance we'll see the game's end before 2030.
>>731098907do we even have any proof of that
>>731099375He's talking about Chapter 6. I could see an Easter release in 2028 for Chapter 6.
>>731088809Why is it always so painfully obivous when something is fanmade
>>731100382legitimately too much effort 90% of the sprites in deltarune and especially undertale are simple, sometimes to the point of looking kinda shitty remember when everyone said carol's sprite looked shitty/ strange? it's because her face has shading when no other character does and it stands out
>>731096728I expect she'll be like Asgore. She seems evil right now because of our limited perspective, but she'll become more sympathetic later once we learn why she's doing what she's doing (which is almost certainly related to Dess disappearing)
>>731100382They don't have Toby's design philosophy. That's why.
>>731099661Spamton would be the kind of character to shove himself into everything thoughbeit
>no new item fusions>only one battle dojo fight, and you can't even fight the ones from previous chapters.>abilities are limited to only certain boss fights, (red buster, x-slash, revive)>even though chapter 3 was cut down the game boards are still a chore to get through>there isn't really a functional difference between sparing and pacifying (this might change in the future since the game does keep track of how many you pacify or spare)>not being able to run away from battles is really annoying
>>731094728Is pic rel what you want? Thank fucking god Toby avoided having a predictable pattern.
>>731101091Dess, Asgore, Carol
>>731094728Firegrave was always fake and gay and I always called toriel sleeping through all of chapter 3, but I did wish we got other party members like catty in chapter 4
>>731099654>JevilAnon's vocaroowhere can I find them?
>>731094728>>thought each subsequent chapter would have other classmates (Monster Kid, Catti, Jockington, etc.) going into the Dark WorldIt was so god damn obvious that wasn't what was going to happen. The only other classmate who even comes across as pure background character was Catti. It was also easy to tell that Noelle was going to be an important piece of the snowgrave route.
>>731101091This is just Chapter 4's final boss, though.
>>731091792Or he could be, y'know, lying.
>>731100213chapter 6 if it isn't bundled with 7 will come out in 2027, don't believe the doomers
>>731100815I don't even think she seems all that evil. Just a really strict mother. Whole reason a lot of people are calling the "twist" of her being good actually is the reasons for thinking she would be bad are currently really fucking shallow. But I guess some of that is going be down to how convinced you are that she's the person talking on the kitchen phone.
>>731076294After playing all the chapters nothing warrants the extremely long wait we had so farMaybe I'm ignorant about Gamemaker as an engine, but it's extremely worrying that Toby and crew had to get custom-made features to allow him to ship a functional productIn general the whole prophecy shtick in the story doesn't excite me inherently, and I care much more about the side shit like the dark crystals, Dess and the weird route. Also needs more waifus
>>731094728>also no more schizobossesYes there are. Eram in Chapter 3 and Gerson in Chapter 4. The discrepancy here is that you assumed every secret boss's personality would be, "AAAA I'M SO WACKY AND CRAAAZY AAAAAA," when the real trait they share is exploring the theme of "freedom" and what that means in-universe. Jevil was driven mad by the mere knowledge of it, Spamton ruined his life in pursuit of it, Eram tempts Kris with it, and Gerson refuses it.
>>731093476Every character should've been cut off from Steins;Gate, the cast is genuinely terrible.
>>731090858No wonder we have so many romance filler segments
>>731076294I listen to the OST of this game every day
>>731101857Tony’s team are better writers/composers than they are game designers
>>731101685>I don't even think she seems all that evil.This is the music that plays when she enters the room, mind you: https://youtu.be/6z7x_hu4t4YWe can debate over whether she's ACTUALLY evil, but it's clear that Toby wants her to seem evil from the player's perspective.
>>731101992that and, every anecdote about her from other characters(some even likely before dess disappeared)portray her as almost sociopathic
>>731099661He's the only darkner character that actually amassed a large fandom
>>731090858This was the worst thing I've read this year and I hate that it makes sense.
>>731100892that doesn't make it any less annoying
>>731101643Anon... I am a doomer
>>731102379yeah as long as you ignore ralsei or lancer or rouxls or queen
>>731101857>Also needs more waifusChapter 3 and 4 had less new characters than all of 2 (in terms of darkners). We aren't getting that many new characters, Toby is going to focus on what we already have.
>>731094728>he's not on team jockington
>>731102578>queen
>>731102379Spamtenna is literally the newest most popular Delta ship. He's the Sans of Deltarune.
What if Toby did something uber meta and fucked up? Like if chapter 6 was some ARG that gave people coordinates for the middle of the desert. Then when they all died he writes their obituaries in Wingdings.
>>731101980toby is the only writer and composer
>>731102669she has a lot of fans, they're just not as obnoxious as spamton fans so you don't hear from them as much
>>731102874>killing undertale fansBASED
>>731076294anons...a thought occurs. Gerson said the field of pink and yellow will be charred by jealousy remember. What if on the weird route we're actively trying to prevent Noelle from losing it when she sees Kris and Susie together?
>>731102874The fandom would still find some way to defend him while denouncing those who do the same.
>>731103751>the weird route is actually the good ending and the moral is rape correction is good
>>731103751What if the person jealous in the weird route is Susie? The soul has pretty much being ignoring her the moment it started it's plan. She even complained feeling ignored.Though I think Asgore is still the cause of the jealousy, unless weird route chapter 5 REALLY changes things a lot.
>>731103931Ralsei doesn't believe this.
>>731104383Rather it seems like he's saying he isn't sure. If he actually knew you're heading for bad time 2.0 wouldn't he just tell you that on the hope you stop?
>>731097541Did you just wake up one morning and decide to be based?
>>731104383I just hope the ending of the Weird Route is genuinely entertaining. I want to be the Bad Guy™ even if it means losing in the end, so long as I get to have fun doing it.
>>731104193I think Asgore will be more preoccupied with trying to set things right than being jealous of the bone man. That and there are already several pieces of dialogue with Noelle being jealous of Kris, while there is strangely nothing with Asgore.
>>731104559He only says that on the weird route. Seems like pretty obvious signposting. It would be kind of dumb to signal that something bad will happen on the bad guy route and then it doesn't.
>>731104193Chapter 5 weird route is supposed to change less than chapter 2 if you go by the sweeptakes page, could always be a lie though.
>>731104559He straight up says it's a bad choice to hang out with Noelle in that route. He's too much of a pussy to stop us.
>>731104701Sure it's foreshadowing and all that, just pointing out what it is he's literally saying.
>>731104701Unless Ralsei is lying which could easily happen. Hes lying and I know why. He wants to fuck Kris and knows the players all have homo lust. The weird route is a metaphor for the western birth rate. It’s weird to seek traditional relationships to all parties. It’s weird to have 12 children and yet it’s your duty to do it anyway with the cute deer you knw
>>731104383my response to ralsei
>>731104847I'm saying it's a pointless observation.
>>731101091This is*exactly*what happened in chapter 4.
>>731102874do it toby it'd be funny
>>731104193the jealousy could be from susie if she learns/ thinks that she has been excluded from something she was excited for again, like the idea that she might be banned from the festival for trashing the church or if it turns out she isn't a hero after all
>>731104985It's worth pointing out that Ralsei doesn't actually say he thinks the route will end bad.
>>731105007I can' believe Jockington sacrificed his life for the "freak family" milk cat thing.
>>731085345My biggest complaint for this game is how laughably bad and boring Susie's relationship with Noelle is, its blatant fanfiction tier garbage that I never take pleasure in seeing. The more they focus on that the worse it'll get, if they leave it as a side thing that you can opt into seeing if you feel like it the way it was in Chapter 2 I won't mind but making it an integral part of the story is such a terrible idea considering how forced it feels compared to Kris and Susie or even Kris and Noelle since they at least have their past together to glue their relationship together, Noelle and Susie have fucking nothing
>>731105257He just heavily thinks and suspects it will, which is basically the same thing.
>>731105423He says he doesn't know.
>>731105215NTA, but I'm pretty sure the jealousy will be from Kris, because he's the only who's been described with any descriptor of "burning" so far.
I think Toby peaked with Spamton in a way which is hard to explain.He has an edge which really doesn't fit anything else in Deltarune or Undertale.Everything with Tenna just felt so lame and disconnected in comparison. You're telling me Spamton and Tenna hung out or was connected at all?Jevil, Spamton and ERAM all have that 'weirdo isolated from everyone else energy' which I feel is going to get less special with each game. I like Gerson but he didn't have that energy at all.
>>731105215>like the idea that she might be banned from the festivalOr free ham sandwich day.
>>731105569Gerson was great. You lack taste.
>>731105625>reading literacy
>>731105569You have to respect Toby not wanting to do the same thing every chapter. Having said that the height of my enjoyment of Chapter 3 and 4 was doing Ramb's game and not knowing what to expect but getting an ominous feeling so I would definitely want more weird offbeat stuff like that.
>>731101859Eram doesn't have any of the schizo boss charm. He didn't even get a shadow crystal.Ramb would have been a perfect way to introduce another of those while keeping things fresh (aka not a crazy guy like you mocked). Instead, he got petrified.The whole MANTLE thing was just a mean joke at the expense of people who wanted to see another boss like that, alongside the Mikes. You drag on even longer on that fucking zelda clone, the midget talking crazy shit goes away unceremoniously, you fight a piece of cloth without any interesting personality, and all you get is an armor that makes beating up the Knight slightly less unfair.All this to own people who dared to enjoy what the demo offered and bought the game expecting more.
>>731105750Oh but I did read and understand your post, anon. You think Toby peaked with Spamton. I don't think so. I don't find him very interesting at all. Gerson by contrast is the most interesting darkner we've yet seen.
>>731105625>I like Gerson>Gerson was great. You lack taste.NTA, but you're illiterate.>>731105569Gerson was supposed to be a clear deviation/subversion of the schizo boss formula, someone who could on the surface be classified as a neurotic little guy that has a few key characteristics (mainly, his optimism) that make him reject whatever path they went down on. I guess it's understandable that you'd prefer the other schizos, but it's interesting to explore different avenues that whatever interaction that lead them to their path could go down.
>>731105503Yeah, that's what I said. He doesn't know but he heavily suspects it will.
>>731105625Gerson is just the wise old mentor trope. He's good but the least interesting part of these games. I like when Toby does unusual things.
>>731098031thanks, andrewand by thanks i mean fuck you
>>731105813>The whole MANTLE thing was just a mean joke at the expense of people who wanted to see another boss like that, alongside the Mikes.>i didn't get what i wanted, this is an attack on MY person, on MY expectations. ridiculous
>>731100592>it's because her face has shading when no other character doesENTER
>>731105569>>731105862Gerson would have been a great bit of fresh air IF chapter 3 didn't deconstruct the secret boss formula even harder than him.He also had way less edge than his UT version which thought there was no point in returning to the surface.And finally, he mostly served as a platform to prop up Susie, while only giving a tap in the back to Kris and barely acknowledging Ralsei at all.I'm just holding my fingers we get a by-the-book secret boss in chapter 5 one last time, a new character who is tied to the dark world's lore. Unlike what some repeat here, it is possible to retain the appeal Jevil and Spamton had without following their exact beats.
>>731105813>The whole MANTLE thing was just a mean joke at the expense of people who wanted to see another boss like thatNo, it was directions for how to do Snowgrave for players that didn't just look it up.
>>731105981It's a product sold on a store front that had a free sample. So far that free sample has been deceptive over how the full product is like.The demo heavily suggested that pattern was going to hold, given how similar Jevil and Spamton were, and Seam's dialogue about "beating strong guys for shadow crystals" or whatever he said. Plus, Undertale was quite formulaic in its main route, not unreasonable for Deltarune to be the same.It isn't what "I wanted", it's what a lot of people wanted if you bothered looking at any fan made schizoboss concept out there.>>731106354Don't act as if Toby didn't knew what he was doing when he made Ramb act suspicious around Kris and talk about Freedom or Chaos, he did this sort of baiting through the entire chapter.Plus, "spoiling" the weird route like that killed the "internet hoax" appeal it had on chapter 2. Even the Eggs lost some of their appeal by having the Man give you hints.
The Holidays.
>>731105813Sorry, bro, but Mantle is kino. Best part of Chapter 3 and it fulfils my schizo quota.
>>731106293>He also had way less edge than his UT version which thought there was no point in returning to the surface.Deltarune Gerson mostly keep his edge to himself, like not telling Susie he's dead and who he was writing his letter for. You only see his edge in Undertale in the genocide route, otherwise he is just a goofy grandpa with dementia.
>>731107621Cute deer! X3
>>731107691Eh, Eram remains the single most disappointing fight in this entire franchise so far. The goddamn Watercooler was more fun to me.My hunger of 4 years goes on. Toby please give me a flower that can satiate that.
>>731108134I actually think Eram is better than every single fanmade chapter 3 Ramb fight, but maybe you will like this one.https://youtu.be/qVefdR0QMGk
>>731094728>>nope, entire game's narrative and lore revolves around the lesbian deerShe's bi like all women>mfw toby actually goes for "lesbian love saves the world!" as the true hidden end
>>731096562>>731096729He did nothing wrong. Maybe I'll hit Deltarune's OFF switch if Toby goes full hack.
>>731108474but what if deltarune was just a bunch of women moments by noelle, dess, carol, susie, toriel, and kris?that could be funny
>>731105569>I think Toby peaked with SpamtonHe foreshadowed so much that came later and was completely enamoring from a schizo perspective, he is the living embodiment of deep lore. Anyone here especially can see themselves in his ramblings.He also had that "quirk" appeal for the less intelligent side of the fandom, even if that wasn't the point of his character.
>>731108294I don't think that's a fair comparison.In terms of music, this one is my favorite Ramb fight theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkgBFtLh9QYDespite the upbeat sound, it get's me feeling really melancholic about what happened to him and what the game is turning into. I have a feeling he will return to the story since petrification isn't death. Maybe he was taken to Mancountry, maybe something I won't like will happen to him, maybe nothing, who knows.I'd be satisfied if it was just a harder version of Werewerewire, with maybe some Mantle gameplay thrown in as an ACT gimmick. It would be no Spamton but that's a foolish thing to chase anyway. I'd have been satisfied and having his madness be depression instead of schizophrenia would have been the perfect way to not let it get stale.On another note about Ramb, was his face made to resemble the Mystery Man? It's very different compared to the other plugs from chapter 2.
>>731107828>he is just a goofy grandpa with dementiaI don't think he literally has dementia. It's a front. Like Yoda in Star Wars pretending to be an old fool to mess around with Luke and test him a little bit. You'll notice that a lot of Gerson's old person moments are similar. They're always tests or ways of teaching the fun gang something
What exact is there left for a Flower King chapter 5?Susie and Ralsei are too on edge about the prophecy to be able to relax and have fun in some flower paradise, meanwhile the location just doesn't has the same drama and shock potential compared to something like the Church or the Bunker to fit well at this point in the story, unless it goes all in on Dreemurr drama in spite of everything else.
>>731109362Asgore is a complete chump right now that has been getting humiliated since chapter 1, he needs something to make him an actual character, some sort of backbone to actually talk back to Toriel or tell her to go fuck herself and move on would be a nice starting point
>>731109650In other words, it's the Dreemurr drama thing I mentioned.
>>731109704Drama about that alone isn't going to be enough for a whole chapter, it'll probably have something to do with that scene where we find him talking to a shadow crystal and his relation with Carol to drive that narrative forward
What exactly is the deal with each chapter in the game?>Chapter 1 – The BeginningA summarized retelling of Undertale with a new coat of paint. Similar conflict, most characters vaguely fulfill roles of UT ones, and some twists here and there.>Chapter 2 – A Cyber's WorldAn adventure following the mold of Chapter 1 and Snowdin, which mostly focuses on it's own theming and shenanigans related to that (so far the only chapter whose name is just a plain statement about its setting). >Chapter 3 – Late NightA deconstruction of the previous chapters, and also a reflection on what Undertale was and how the author and the players deal with it. (Tenna is essentially being a game designer with the boards, wanting to hold people's attention, and Shuttah compares this world to a stage built over Undertale's locations)>Chapter 4 – ProphecyA homage to SNES JRPGs, from the music and aesthetics down to fighting a divine being at the end, and a course change for the story.
>>7311103811. get the fans in2. keep them talking and theorizing3. homestuck4. everything's lesbian shipping from here on out
>>731110480this is fandom brainrot
>>731076294why the FUCK does kris's cell phone look like this the game clearly took place in the late 2000s-very early 2010s then suddenly toy rectangle and among us reference
>>731076294Anyone have advice for someone trying to write an Undertale-esque story? I keep in mind that characters need all flaws and have some vagueness for fans to theorycraft. What else?
>>731111304you need to have the very specific brand of autism toby has, you either do or you don't
>>731111304>Undertale-esque storyIn what sense?A homage and light hearted parody of JRPG tropes?A meta commentary on video games?A set-piece after set-piece cartoon adventure with funny characters?
>>731082808Has there ever been an episodic game with a normal release schedule and satisfying payoff?
>>731110381Chapter 1 is just disjointed from the rest of the game and a bad introduction as a whole. It exists to present the game as "NOT Undertale"
>>731111638Chapter 2 is even more disjointed. The weird route there feels more in line with the following chapters than the normal route.
>>731111239I genuinely thought kris had one of those old nokia phones in chapters 1 and 2
>>731095450Hammer of Justice
>>731111304Be talented and original
>>731111304I really hope you have a monster/non-human girl you can date
>>731076294The Weird Route sucks. People like it because it became the cool "look you can break the game and RAPE Noelle so edgy!!" thing for purely surface value elements. It's not a good alternative route gameplay-wise because after Chapter 2 it doesn't change enough to justify its relevance. Story-wise it's not showing itself to be an interesting answer to the dillema presented: the heroes of the story must deal with a terrible fate, but trying to stop it will only make it only worse!... And that's it? An alternative that sucks and makes everything worse and kills the point of even playing the story of the game? It's difficult to pinpoint what even is the theme of the Weird Route and just judging by what it can do so far it feels like a far less impactful message than what Genocide means for Undertale. Maybe I'll be proven wrong but I have very little remaining faith it's going to overcome my expectations
>>731111239pretty sure susie mentions smart tvs in one of the earlier chapters
>>731112371while I agree that it doesn't change enough yet, hopefully the changes in chapter 5 will be enough and chapters 6 and 7 missing from the ARG thing means that those chapters will have fully unique paths on weird route instead of the theory people want where the game just ends at chapter 5
>>731111239because deltarune takes place in like 2022/3ch1 maybe takes place in 2018 but that clearly isn't the case anymore i do remember a pre ch3&4 theory that the game took place in 2007/8 and dess went missing in 1997, it was a neat theory but it really only ran on very limited info and some reaching with the sweepstakes
>>731112371The point is that trying to go beyond what the author wants is bad and you should be ashamed for even considering that (laughs)
>>731111304>flawstoby's favorites (the lesbians) don't have any actual flaws
>>731112371Genocide also sucks >You can spare everyone and get the best ending >OR you can kill everyone lol >Oh and I guess there's endings if you do a mix of both but you miss out on any bonus content
>>731112512Undertale's Genocide does that 10000x better. I can't see what's the point of the Weird Route as it is, so far.
>>731111304I like those kinds of stories, would you be willing to share what you have so far?As for advice:-There needs to be an overarching problem with no singular or clear solution that can be viewed at least a half a dozen ways. That's all I can think of at the moment.
>>731112668I say, without any sarcasm or irony, the "heteronormative route" theory is likely to be correct after what we've seen so far.The romantic (sometimes sexual) imagery was present in the weird route since 2021, even if most avoided thinking about it. It's a deconstruction of romantic routes in games, you're manipulating the character to get with you for the sake of your pleasure.It fits with Toby's past of deconstructing JRPG tropes (to varying degrees of cynicism) and also his tendency to support Queer and feminist talking points, even if not as "in your face" as other western developers do.You're bad because you're taking away the agency of those fictional characters to satisfy yourself, destroying a lesbian couple, forcing Kris into a masculine role, and overall derailing what the story is supposed to be and not getting its message. It's the extension of what the Genocide Route was, with some commentary about how the fandom dealt with it.
tranny game
>>731111304be genuine with what story you're telling this is the #1 thing people fuck up, they're too worried about what other people think that they add in a layer of irony that taints the whole thing
>>731113168These last 4 chapters of Deltarune aren't explicitly queer enough to make it work. This would make sense if the game was written by somebody other than toby foxBut this renacted in me a new idea; that maybe the Weird Route's conclusion isn't a straight up edgy people die finale but one where you get what you want but in sacrifice of the journey that gave meaning to everything those characters are and should feel
>>731113168he's unironically a better writer than this.Monsters in these games aren't gays or lesbians or bisexual or whatever, they just date whoever they like. There's no judgement or implication of there existing or having existed discrimination against being queer. And Toby didn't make Kris use neutral pronouns as a political ploy because he wants all humans in the setting to be gender neutral so that the player can closer identify with them because he wants these experiences to be as universal as possible.
>>731112482the festival is on sunday so if it is also halloween then the game can only take place in 2021, 2010, or 2004
>>731113490>>731113602Our main playable characters are>emo boy who uses they/them pronouns>very girly goat boy fag, with a sparkledog design, who frequently crossdresses and acts all submissive and uwu to you>butch dyke who acts like delinquent boy>femme dyke who loses her mind thinking of getting pushed by the butch dykeChapter 2 was half centered on a dorky nerd gamer boy who thinks real life relationships work like a VN and doesn't realize how much no one desires him, and is repeatedly mocked for that. And did you guys really memory hole the fact Toby voiced a character in a kids show for the sole purpose of explaining what being non-binary is to children? Really?
>>731113168>I say, without any sarcasm or irony, the "heteronormative route" theory is likely to be correctIt's part of the story, it's not the whole story. Asserting what you want without regard for the characters in the game is just some of the layers at the surface, it's not the point of it all.The idea that we're just going to retread Genocide (even Genocide went deeper than this) or that anyone seriously thinks that "Toby is scolding you for playing his game wrong" in 2025 is simply not a serious argument
>>731076294I am almost 100% sure deltarune will have a disappointing ending, but I really hope it doesn't.
>>731113983You write like if Chapter 2 went out of its way to portray Berdly as an incel chud and not just an annoying kid whose flaws don't even make him an egregiously bad person, just not a very good friendNothing else about their personalities you listed have any implications in the story itself.
"The Weird Route is... bad!" is at the same level as "Kris isn't your self-insert, they're their own character!"Some people think they have arrived at the conclusion just by stating the premise. These are not the answers to anything, all you have done is recognized the dilemma that the game is preparing to explore.
>>731114038"You're bad for playing the game" is just a short way of say "Doing absolutely everything in a game to the point it's not even fun anymore and losing any emotional connection to the characters is like destroying the game itself, also please don't datamine this and let the mystery go on", because it is way too long to repeat.Plus, he plainly stated Toriel is the way she is because he didn't like how Hinawa was "just a mother".
>>731113983Oh so you're just projecting your mommy scolding you at Toby. Okay then.
>>731082318> How would Gaster even fit into the story.he's jevil anon. spamton is his grumpy ex who cheated on him. the "ketchup kids" are sans and papyrus.
>>731114249I'm just reading the fine print.Paying attention to the quiet part or not is your choice.
>>731114324Nope, I'm projecting my lefty teachers preaching at me and faggots on social media and entertainment scolding me at Toby.
>>731114515No, you were projecting your mommy scolding you at your lefty teachers and faggots on social media and entertainment
>>731114592but my mom leans into conservative values
>>731114515>my lefty teachers preaching at me Didn't happen.>and faggots on social media and entertainment scolding mePic related
>>731114458you are also ignoring Gerson practically looking at the camera and saying "stories are open to interpretation" what you see as the fine print isn't an objective truth.
>>731111239The entire tenna segment is basically "internet killed the video star" which is something that's mainly become relevant in the past decade
what i don't get is how people see kris as non masculine in the dw when his design there is based on(pretty much lifted from) a dude
>>731114296>"You're bad for playing the game" is just a short way of say "Doing absolutely everythingThese are different arguments. "Toby Fox is scolding me" is about moral responsibility for hurting characters in a video game (something that neither game is about), "Please don't ruin the game for yourself" is a completely separate issue which Undertale already made a core part of its narrative and thoroughly explored.Deltarune has no interest in retreading this point, it is not a game that expects you to replay it over and over to see every little minute change from your actions like Undertale. If the Weird Route is concerned with "how far are you willing to go to get a different ending?" that's a different motivation from the nihilistic curiosity that Undertale assumes of you in Genocide; the Weird Route assigns you clear intent and purpose with Noelle.>also please don't datamine this and let the mystery go on"Toby threw any pretense of keeping secrets out the window ten years ago when Undertale went viral. It's doubtful he ever sincerely wanted that at all because it's become increasingly clear that the Gaster stuff in Undertale was always meant to lead into teasing Deltarune.Undertale and Deltarune both have content put into the game files specifically as dataminer bait, Toby fully facilitates this as part of his "lore" now, you are operating on very old information.
>>731111239the first iphone came out in 2007 you fucking zoomer
>>731114876kris also has a lot of costume changes in the dark world, about half of which are feminine in appearance there is also an argument to be made about a jeanne d'arc thing going on with kris' armour
>>731115109>These are different argumentsHard to separate when one is communicated by stating the other. Comparing the player to Demon Chara is essentially calling the player evil. Sans calls you out for trying to see everything even outside of the geno route.And before you pull any cliche counter argument to this, my ultimate frustration with this is that I hate when simulacra tries too hard to pretend it is anything more than a simulacrum. 10 years ago I got baited with a story of a kid going through a cave full of wacky monsters only for that to be sidelined for some analysis of the nature of video games or whatever. I wanted the evil route to be just an evil route, not an essay on what evil routes really mean.And I can't move on because almost no one else in this planet can do the specific kind of humor the "guy who pronounces .png as dot pinge" does, and I'm still hungry for more of that unfortunately.
>>731111239If it's anything like Undertale, it takes place in 201X. A vague amalgamation of the 2010s that feels modern enough that it could pass for present day, but far enough in the past that things from the late 90s and early 2000s sticking around are still plausible.If I had to guess an exact year Toby has in mind, I'd go with 2011, to align with when Toby had his fever dream
This thread is full of The Raped, holy shit.
>>731116134BORN TO PROCEEDWORLD IS A RAPEFreeze Em All 1997I am broken doe410,757,864,530 DEAD DARKNERS
>>731115778>Comparing the player to Demon Chara is essentially calling the player evil.This comes after the game shows you what Chara was like and why they grew so disaffected they entered a suicide pact with Asriel. The point is that while it's not immoral for you as it was for Chara or Flowey, because you really do exist in a realm above the characters, it still reduces how well you can engage with the world to detach yourself from it so fully.>Sans calls you out for trying to see everything even outside of the geno route.You are absolutely misinterpreting him.>I hate when simulacra tries too hard to pretend it is anything more than a simulacrumAnd Undertale doesn't once do this, are you high?>10 years ago I got baited with a story of a kid going through a cave full of wacky monstersIn "the friendly RPG where no one has to die"? You sure?>I wanted the evil route to be just an evil routeAnd it is, dummy. It can be one thing in a literal sense and another in a metaphorical sense.
>>731076294Still no mew mew or muffet.
>>731116134Can confirm, I am raped.
>>731076294I challenge anyone to post a fan track with a better use of the freedom motif than this one:https://youtu.be/wdfNlc_mpnM
>>731076294>Chapter 5 gets released.>Asgore becomes weeb and buys himself mew mew doll
>>731116572>guitar in the thumbnailnot even dignifying it
>>731117456You hate December that much?
>>731116572>Dessknight
>>731118484>Canon is disgusting
>>731085854>their loveSusie doesnt give a damn about noelle, she doesnt mention once to kris anything about her, doesnt show any affection in all their interactions, but i guess both being lesbians is enough to pair them up>ps literally everyone in deltarune is fucking gay
>>731079723From what I can tell is going on in Deltarune, it's gonna kinda show he deserved it to an extent, he's very immature and even (most likely unintentionally) willing to encourage Toriel to drink and neglect her kid. He seems a LOT more mature in Undertale.
Deltarune if it was good
>KRIS, THERE YOU ARE. THE PATIENTS ARE WAITING FOR YOU.>YES, I KNOW I'M QUITE SMALL FOR A SECRETARY.>BUT, KNOCKOFFS DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. . .>Oh... I'm sorry. I was so into drawing I didn't notice you!>Are you here for Art Club?>Right, this is where we draw pictures, and don't kill each other!>... What am I drawing? Oh, don't look. I'm not finished yet...>How did I get here? Hmm...>I can't say I remember.>... I was in such a rush, I didn't look where I was going at all!>(It's a sink.)>It would be ridiculous if you painted something and there was nowhere to wash your hands.)>(Well, there is a canvas here.)>(Will you draw?)Yes>(Kris picked up a pencil.)>(They began by sketching what they had seen behind the tree.)>(But, as they sketched, the line began to err, as if the pencil had lost its way.)>(So they started again, drawing over the lines they had already made.)>(Many times, they would suddenly halt, or the pencil drifted into a new drawing...)>(So, they started over, over, over again.)>(Through many reptitions, their movements became faster and smoother...)>(... until without looking, they had completed a sketch in a single, wild line.)>(...)>(In the end, as a result of layering the sketches on top of each other...)>(... The surface of the canvas was nothing more than a monochrome smear.)>(...)>(Next, a tree was painted over it...)>(... painted over everything...)>(... leaving nothing but a simple still life.)>(... After all, there wasn't anything to look at in the room besides a single tree.)>(...)>(Kris got up. It seemed the painting was complete.)>(...)>(But, their hand, smudged with graphite...)>(... was still moving, as if to trace some unseen shape.)>(An Egg was picked up from a nearby easel.)>(Between your fingers, a faint grey crease glittered stubbornly.)>(... You can never wash it all away.)>WELL? HOW DID THE SESSION GO?>THEY SAY ART IS THERAPEUTIC.>... WHICH ONE OF YOU WAS THE PATIENT, ANYWAY?
