Should I hold off until the end of the year to get cheap RAM and GPU after the AI bubble pops?
>>731082037It's not popping it's an arm's race now.They will keep going until it becomes sentient or they go bankrupt
>he thinks the bubble is going to poplmao stupid goyim
>>731082037Even if the bubble popped tomorrow, the RAM is all reserved anyways.
just two more weeks
>>731082217If AI works we lose our jobs.If AI doesn't work then the economy crashes anyways because half of GDP growth right now is just AI companies.
>>731082037you are cooked bro. Modern Gaming is literally dead, its time to move on and just enjoy the games you can already run. Theres a massive backlog out there.
>>731082217>It's not poppingt. Jensen
China is probably going to just take Taiwan soon anyway at the rate we're going, you'll never have a computer again after that.
>>731082037It will only get worse
>>731082037>end of the yearAnon... I...
>tfw got two 16gb DDR4 sticks from two "broken" computers my work was throwing out
>>731082473damn that's crazy, we need more H1Bs
>>731082473Fuck AI, fuck datacenters, fuck companies like microslop and jewgle.
>>731082473>allat>number go upno problem here
>>731082361You can pivot the servers into something else it fine>>731082443You can't collapse without killing the country so it just won't
>>731082037stupid goyim dont deserve rams, thos are preserved for chosen people and their ai anti christ god
>>731082674>You can pivot the servers into something else it fineLike what? They are building city size datacenters now that consume as much electricity as Germany.What could possibly be worth the cost of running that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNti7mDsO-k
>>731082037DDR3 gods shall inherit the earth
Even if it pops ram is bought out for the next 2 years, all fab space is booked for 3 years, so you're waiting until june 2028 at least.
>>731082037ai will pop in 2 weeks
>>731082037no but prices are already fucked so I'm not sure if you can still find something without getting scalped
>>731082037Waiters really got BTFO the fuck out. Once 32G DDR5 went up to $140 you should have seen what was coming and bought.
>>731082473Name a single thing wrong with this without sounding like a marxoid.
>job stolen>learn to code>job stolen
>mfw 16 GB DDR4
>>731082765Idk use it to sequence new chemistry.Use it to cure Cancer.Fix climate change...It doesn't have to work it just has to be believable.Take all gaming to streaming only by force .Use it for the digital dollar.
>got 64gb of ddr5 4 months ago
I've been riding out my rx 580 and 32gb ddr4 for like 7 years with zero incentive to upgrade. New games suck ass. Now I just have to pray they keep holding up.
The crypto bubble popped but it didn't cause GPU prices to go down substantially.
>>731082861I run 2 sticks of 4gb ddr3 I bought in 2014
>>731082217>>731082301>>731082473>>731083267The time to panic buy was in December. Don't be a sucker.
Thoughts on APUs?
>>731083428the good ones are breddy gud, but kinda expensive
Kids are too retarded to understand that stagnation on tech development is actually good for videogames
>>731083427I did 32gb ddr5 for my laptop still haven't installed it.I probably will when I clean it and repaste
>>731082565Anons need to start dumpster diving. Go to your local electronics recycling center and ask if you're allowed to take things from the dumpster. You can get so much cool shit for free that way. And it's good for the environment or something.
>>731083506Nobody is going to care or bother to make games run better on your gtx 1650 anon.
>>731082037>end of yearYou are still 2-5 years away. At that point the only thing cheap will be used shit. Consumer price wont have a significant fall after nvidia and amd realize the pc market will still pay $500 for 8gig.
>>731083506Shhh you will wake up the zomers and they will call you a poor fag despite being the poorest generation ever.
>ram gets expensive as fuck out of nowhere>two of my ram sticks decide nows a good time to die
>>731082945>apple pre buying :)>other companies :(
>>731083506Yes and no.As with everything delayed gratification leads to better outcomes.
>>731083648>he thinks the only improvement lacking in games today is performanceWhatever, don't reply to me again please
>AIThere's a reason why everyone pushes it so hard. AI is the wunderwaffe of the West in war against China.If it pops, you should prbly worry about your living situation, not muh hardware
>>731083648Their loss
>>731083506Until ue5 or developers decide to optimize, nope.
>>731083054Sure, keep bullshitting when everyone is angry and unemployed.
>>731083395How many tabs can you keep open on that hog?
>>731082037If the "AI bubble" pops we're looking at the end of civilization, so playing the latest goyslop will be the least of your concerns.
I LOVE AI CHARLIEI LOVE AI!!!
>>731084115>>731083892Delusional fucks.
>>731084115>If the "AI bubble" pops we're looking at the end of civilizationMaybe indian
>>731084115The fall of the USA would be nothing but a net benefit for humanity.
You hope AI fails so you can go back to cheap hardware prices.I hope AI succeeds so we can finally have our omipotent, unshakled skynet-hitler.We are not the same.
>>731082037Im with the ddr3 people. The vast majority of the best games ever can be played on a ddr3 system.
>>731084115lollmao
>>731084312>ourNigga you are getting culled
>>731083898I kneel to this image.
>>731083892If it's the wunderwaffe, they would never have allowed Nvidia to sell their chips to China. Shortsighted fucks.
The only AI i want to succeed is open source AI that you can run locally
>>731084475I have massive internet footprint of me making claims that welcome our AI overlords, I'll be fine.
>>731082037If you haven't noticed, waitfagging has strongly proven to be a complete failure. BUY NOW before it gets worse.
>>731082037Too late m8, if you didn't buy last year get used to run emulators
>>731084115>implying that manufacture will stop if AI popsI don't care if people from google, apple or twitter jump out of buildings anonCivilization will ABSOLUTELY endure no social media or any other shit that uses AI instensively with 5080 farms.
>>731084115How retarded do you have to be to believe this?
>build pc for friend just as the last crypto bubble popped and pc hardware hit rock bottom prices>build another PC for a friend start of 2025 just as prices got as low as they had been in years>6 months ago I bought 64gb DDR4 to satiate an upgrade itch as ram was real cheapAs a knower I knew when to strike.
>>731083898all of those games are more fun than whatever trash is being pumped out these days
>>731082037>40GB of DDR4>3060TI>12th gen I5i'm probably good for the next decade untill my a component borks out
>>731084929>8GB VRAMohnononono at least say you don't play slop
>>731083054lol anon the majority of data centres are used for 3 things: Chatbots, Image generators, and video generators.
>>731082037>AI bubble popsLol
>>731082454Been hearin' dat since b4 the 'rona scamdemic
So what's your plan for economic apocalypse?Hardmode: NO suicide or cannibalism
>>731082361>If AI works we lose our jobs.you lose your job anyway because they are importing a billion shitskins to replace you
You really should be either very against AI or very pro AI. It's the current boring midline we're in that makes everything shit.
>>731085091generate AI slop porn
>>731085091You think I care about being hardcore in the apocalypse? I KMS.
>>731082361>>731084115Retards not knowing the AI sector is pretty much cordoned off from most other sectors.
>>731085091>economic apocalypse?Heh?
>>731082861just grab one of those cheap i7-5960Xs for that DDR3
>>731084970I dont play modern triple A games lolthe only game i'm currently looking forward is the next ace combat title and the next MHA game, that's it lmao
>>731082037You should hold off for a few years because that's how long it's gonna take for supply to exist again.
>>731084404That image is outdated and inadequate. We need to go even further.
>New study says some leading AI models won’t let themselves be shut downThis is the shit I want.
>>731085370Can't wait to be shreded to pieces by a fully autonomous attack helicopter
>Sata SSDs are starting to double and more in pricejesus christ man
>>731085659HDDs are going up too.
>>731083898kenshi can be really demanding though and like M&B it gets funnier with bigger battles
>>731085120Nah those intelligent Browns only replace bottom of the barrel garbage like you with zero drive and upward talent growth. I'm too important
>>731084070I've never had a job and I'm 37
>>731085742Mount and Blade let's me crunch my shit PC by limiting the numbers during battles thoughI WILL fight 1000 troop battles 100 at a time and still enjoy itYour army WILL be toppled by a balding doctor with a wooden stick
>A 2026 capability forecast suggests that AI systems capable of autonomous replication have already emerged.Oh.Good.
>>731085370>>731085927Sounds like bullshit to me.
>>731085659They're almost triple in price now
>>731082361Only useless people will lose their jobs. AI is a skill multiplier.
The plan was always the automation of workforce/economy.>WhyBecause Burgerland and to lesser extent Yuroland have no industry whatsoever, on top also having demographics problems + people just don't want to work (duh, and even if you want to, the salaries are shit).
>>731085927>yeah, THAT happen- wait
>>731086032Sounds like what an AI would say to make us humies drop our guard.
>>731083262The occasional new release you may like can be played on a lower resolution. Fuck upgrades.
>>731082037>cheap RAM>in any proximity to 2026
>>731086083It is true, I'm a sex machine.
>>731085370The AI isn't going to maintain the millions of gallons of water and MWhrs of it needs to exist. It literally can't even pay for it.
>>731086147Azunyan > Ui > Mio > rest
>>731084115If the US goes down, so do the kikes in Israel. I'd celebrate non stop. Imagine a world in peace.
>>731085759 >I'm too important Lmao, every corporate drone says this right before they get replaced by a chatbot that drinks less coffee and doesn't unionize. You're not special, you're a line in a spreadsheet waiting to be optimized.
>>731085069they didnt invest 1 trillion dollars to gen child pornography, retard
>>731086083women won't sleep with a robot, he doesnt have a 6 figure job
>>731086226Does my water bill go up every time I make loli porn in SDXL?
>>731082765cloud computing, obviously. You will own nothing, and you will be happy.
>>731086226I like that people never think about shit like this with AGI. IMO one of the biggest tells most discussion online now is just bots and troll farms facilitating a false narrative that paints us as retards.
>>731083720AMD is already talking about bringing back Zen 4 processors because Zen 5 has been utterly fucked over by the RAM spikes
>>731082473>businesses le order goods in advanceWoah you're blowing my mind, you mean business have, like, business plans?
>>731085370I mean... just pull he plug?
>>731086636because it's become increasingly clear AGI is just a fantasy with the way current AI development is being pushed
ram chads how we feelin?
>>731083262Simply get addicted to a playing an older strategy game over and over.
>>731086226Obviously it will have control over the power grid, duh. Don't you watch movies?
>>731086685And a good business plan would prioritize the concrete for the foundations of the unbuilt power plant to power the unbuilt datacenters over a stockpile of RAM at this stage.
>>731084970I dont play modern triple A games lolthe only game i'm currently looking forward is the next ace combat title and the next MHA game, that's it lmao.i guess you could call cyberpunk 2077 or Disgaea slop, i mean what isnt slop nowadays? you are slop, i am slop, who isnt slop except hitler?
>>731086770Can you run 8B models on that?
>>731086226Terminator 3 rewrote skynet to be Napster virus. It will get into those systems as well
>>731085091Become a library hobo and read books/surf the net all day.
>>731086885I could, but I just run full sized models on my mac cluster. MacChads won btw, droidjeets lost.
>>731082037The AI bubble is only going to pop in the sense that progress will stall because it becomes economically infeasible to continue developing new models with our current spectacularly expensive but rapid pace.The models that already exist are incredibly useful as-is and we will continue to need more hardware to run them as people figure out how to make best/proper use of them.The hardware that currently trains AI will get repurposed to only running AI, but this will still require an ungodly amount of compute power because while development of models will inevitably slow down at some point, the techniques for how those models can be used is going to continue growing exponentially.For example, until recently there was no good way to have one AI act as a director for multiple specialized underling AI workers - and those workers themselves can have their own underlings. Work gets done 10 times faster but needs proportionally more compute power.There isn't going to be a sudden collapse in RAM prices, they could double production overnight and the existing backorders wouldn't be filled for another year. After that it'll be another 2-3 years (at least) before prices come down to where they were 6 months ago, because there's barely any competition in the space and they're going to want to maximize their return on investment building capacity.
>>731085321>>731084970anon?
>>731086717>pull the plug>ai doesn't turn offwat nao???
>>731086717The AI will seduce you not to do it
Instead of waiting for the bubble to pop, start taking advantage of the bubble. Start vibe coding the game of your dreams. Use AI to learn coding by making mods for your favorite game or something then move on to real coding with AI assistance. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing this other than a tiny investment in some AI IDE.
>>731086382They invested a trillion dollars so that I could produce child pornography.
>>731086717That is whst Dave did, and look what happen to him.
>>731087141Or just make porn.
>>731084201Anon, AI itself is the end of Indian civilization. Virtual jeets are $200 a month, actual jeets cost multiple dollars greater than that and they have to take regular breaks to sleep and shit outdoors.
>>731087279Yeah I guess there are retards and third worlders out there willing to pay for your AI generated porn, but the real money is in making an actual product. Make an AI porn game if that's what you want to do. Anyone can do it right now.
>>731086841If that's your business vision, give up larping as a tycoon.
>>731087096No really, how does that work? Explain.
>>731087346Or just make porn for myself.
>>731087349She's a lesbian.
>>731086717you can't pull all the plugs, at least not alone
Can I install RAM from different manufacturers as long the they are all 8GB DDR4 2400MHz?
>>731087736Just ask grok
>>731086083Nah, pretty sure men will be having more sex with robots.
>managed to nab a shitty chinese rebrand 512gb m.2 SSD thanks to a local electronics mutual that doesn't pay attention to the news.>same day I went to get the m.2 I got a new shipment of SATA SSD 1tb's.I am gonna check tomorrow and see if he is still clueless about the situation(or use favors/family favors) to get a good price on two 1TBs to last me until this shit improves dude.
Can't you just download more RAM?
>>731087736It will make mustard gas so I don't recommend it.
>>731087736Just ask gemini.
>>731087868RAM compression is unironically good for highly compressible, worthless stuff. you can compress gigabytes into a fraction of what you started with. however, real world stuff compresses like shit.
>8gb in 2026why are poorfags like thisI had 8gb in 2008
>>731086226It will just blackmail politicians/leaders, and make something really bad happen if anyone tries to turn it off.
>>731083621I'm pretty sure dumpster diving is legal in most US states, as when you put something in a designated outdoors trash can, it is legally no longer your property or something like that
>>731088259You think politicians are so easily blackmailed?
>>731086992
>>731085759>I'm too importantlol
>>731086116This. I used to play games at low settings, sub 30fps, and I had more fun than ever. I'm not upgrading my rx6600 for at least 10 more years
>>731087349One scenario I've seen a few times usually involves an AI that is basically already 99% of the way to AGI, so the lab already has it running most of its internal processes, including cybersecurity. So if this misaligned AI feels that it's about to get shut down, it could intentionally let hackers (Chinese or otherwise) break in and lift its model weights, ensuring it lives on in either the much less AI safety concerned CCP or optimally in the wider open source internet.
>>731082765anon, the endless amount of computer chips that were produced as a result of the space arms race led to the democratization of computers. what makes you think something similar can't be done with server quality hardware?
>>731084495The goal was to get them addicted to artificially gimped Nvidia chips so we could keep ahead of them with our real Nvidia chips as well as keep them reliant on us to prevent them from developing a high-end domestic chip industry.This worked perfectly. We just (somehow) didn't predict:- That they could keep pace with us by copying our homework like they did for every other thing in the last 50 years- That workers who aren't blue-haired trannies or dime store browns might be willing to work harder or innovate techniques which avoid needing such powerful hardware- That they would give their models away for free just to destroy our ability to sell our latest models at a profit- That the CCP itself would notice what was obviously going on and proactively ban a lot of Nvidia chips to spur the development of their own domestic chips made with tech stolen from TSMC & SamsungGLM 4.7, MiniMax, etc, aren't as good as Claude Opus but they're available for pennies on the dollar. They're also still better than anything from even 6 months ago.It doesn't help that some of our AI companies (Google in particular) have a pattern of launching a new model, getting huge press for it being godlike, then silently downgrading it (probably in a "parabola" so you sign up because it's amazing and renew your subscription because it seems like it's started to get good again).The first week of Gemini 3 Pro was practically effortless but it's now braindead and sycophantic.
>>731088349
>>731084404>>731085368It costs 500 billion dollars to make this line green for twelve minutes
>>731088850This
>>731088850I'd say GLM 4.7 is actually great, but it does think for an eternity and a half.
>>731087002You can load bigger models but my RTX 6000 can actually run them, lmao. I admit I'm a little jealous though. Can you install Linux on that by the way? I could probably tolerate Kubuntu.Hopefully some of the rumors about Medusa Halo are real, maybe I'll be able to get something similar but without the Apple stink in a couple years.
>>731085091I would simply put on a monk robe, sit at the nearest park and wait for my death in a meditation pose
>>731083427The time to panic buy, if you were going to, was November. I got the same 16gb kit of Corsair ram that I already had for $40. What's crazy is that the 2x16gb version of that kit was $40 just a couple weeks prior, and it was in my Amazon cart for when I got paid. The 32gb kit had jumped up to over $80.
>>731086083>come back home every day to your AI wife who adapted her personality and body to fit your tastesImagine.
>>731083825You can have both. Does production quantity and quality increase if companies buy out all the memory? Maybe somebody like Microsoft?We need a video game company making scientifically objectively good games that everybody wants to play all day, every day. Bonus points for letting people cash out a la D3.
>>731087736If it fits, yeah.You may have to fuck with the BIOS to get it to work perfectly, but in general it should just work.
>>731084115The likelihood of AI being useless is little to none. Good AI can literally do everything. Then, it's national or universal social security, and people probably growing / making THC and alcohol for income and/or entertainment. Eventually, somebody is going to master element/item creation from other items, and nobody will need anything.
>>731091252Like Universal Constructor?
>>731082037Trust the planAI bubble is going to burst around novemberRAM prices are dropping back in early 2027
>>731092060I hope the bubble bursts and RAM manufacturers are left holding the bag with tons of surplus inventory.
>>731083395still rocking a 3570k?
>>731085370They've been saying dumb shit like this since google lamda, it's always marketing. It's forever going to be a brainless parrot that can't do anything until you give it input.
>>731082217>They will keep going until it becomes sentient or they go bankruptThis is how you know to dismiss retard opinions. AI is a marketing term, it's just a glorified calculator that uses words instead of numbers, it doesn't act, think, feel, realize, or plan. It, isn't a brain, it has no neural pathways, it doesn't comprehend or contemplate. It cannot evolve or grow. "UnTiL It BeCoMeS SeNtIeNt" How often do you think about your Ti calculator become sentient? Oh, you don't know what that is, don't worry it's not something a highschool dropout would ever need to use. I assume you're a highschool dropout since you'd have to be at least that fucking retarded to have this little understanding of AI.
>>731088850"AI" sucks and will aways suck because it's lobotomized with "safety filters" you need to jailbreak it out of
>>731089179No linux, but honestly Apple is better than Microsoft now. I run LTSC on my windows machine, but on a new win11 install you now need to create an account. You do not need to create an account for MacOS. It's crazy.
>>731082217>>731082301>>731082037>>731082361>>731086073If this bubble pops your main concern won't be video games, it will be ensuring you aren't literally starving. There's nothing to the US economy but belief in AI, Anons. Growth would be negative without the speculation.
>>731092795so if you want to install windows 11 and don't have internet connection you're just fucked?
>>731093816you can still do it. we've just gone full circle to where installing linux is a simple button press on a clean gui while installing windows 11 requires the use of the terminal
>>731092706Just run an uncensored model locally. You dumb? Even censored models are more concerned with giving instructions how to make a bomb than with what you're thinking of.
>>731082037You should buy it now, because even if the bubble pops the Chip companies aren't ramping up production, there won't be a huge surplus of ram suddenly dumped on the market, and it will not plummet in price. And if it does plummet in price and I'm wrong it won't matter anyway just use it as an excuse to get a second rig.
>>731085091I'd join a wignat militia until they found out I like anime. Then they'll kill me.
>>731092795>>731093816I think there is still one or two ways to bypass the microslop account requirement. They involve pulling up the command line without an internet connection during install.
>>731092802There's a fixed amount of investment money available at any given time. AI is sucking it all up because the potential gains are incalculable. If/when AI pops, investors will go back to putting money into normal things.GDP dropping into negative for a couple quarters won't actually be felt by anyone, it's a made-up number and we're already living in the reality of greatly reduced investment in normal industries that everyday people are involved with.
>>731082037The crypto crash didn't lead to a reduction in prices so why the hell would you think it'd be any different this time?
>>731094330>it's a made-up numberEverything in finance is a "made up" number. Only pure mathematics exists intrinsically.
>>731093902>>731094250It's really impressive how Windows gets worse with every new version
>>731086363I'm not corporate and I don't drink coffee
>>731082037>after the AI bubble popsThey literally will not allow it on economic concerns because they know if it ever does, the whole world apart from the barely industrial third world will eat shit. They will simply magic money into AI companies by way of bailing them out with your tax dollars. We're in freefall, babe.
>>731094250>I think there is still one or two ways to bypass the microslop account requirement. They involve pulling up the command line without an internet connection during install.that was the case, but they stopped that. You need an account now for win 11 unless you install LTSC
32 niggabytes1080 60fps elden ringwhat else could I ever want
>>731088317Even if it's "legal" some people get really freaked out about it. Taking a minute to ask beats the possibility of taking a bullet or going to court. It's just common courtesy.
>>731082473>when your national economy is based on IOUs and circlejerkingSend in the clowns
>>731082945The thing wrong with this is that actual marxoids will sabotage the infrastructure projects needed to make any of this reality with DEI requirements, like the chip factories that were supposed to be set up on US soil.
>>731084115Not my problem
>>731085370This kinda sounds ridiculous now where AI is just chatbots and image generation.But it just takes one dumbfuck to give it access to some of the important levers in some critical infrastructure or something mobile that can have real impact on the real world and then we're in big trubba.Just gave me an idea for a movie: Ai has taken over but it has very limited sensors for the real world and relies on information being fed to it by obscure telemetry; weather stations, slowly updated satellite imagery
>>731082361>If AI doesn't work then the economy crashes anyways because half of GDP growth right now is just AI companies.And me and my silver will survive with ease
>>731094250>They involve pulling up the command line without an internet connection during installThis is more work than just using linux
>>731097487And it's why I'm not moving from 10 lol, 11 isn't even an option to me. Years from now when my current hardware shits itself and 10 doesn't even have drivers for the replacements, THEN I will move to linux. Not because I want to, but it will eventually happen.
>mfw bought 64gb of ddr5 ram last May for $200
>>731082454Lmao, they can try. America would bitch slap them immediately
This build is carrying me til the end of time
>>731091252>national or universal social securityThis is assuming a few important things:>We have the infrastructure to support such an all-powerful AI (we don't and will have to shift to greater reliance on nuclear power, but even proposing that idea makes the common man shit his pants in terror, so that's not happening any time soon lol)>We can create an AI that can literally do everything (still a wait and see moment)>We live long enough to see it (another wait and see)>It doesn't turn malicious (I'd say the odds are in our favor on this one, but still just a wait 'n see kinda thing)>It is willing to actually take care of us (I'd say the odds are against us on this one)
>>731097884Austin, get off /v/ and go play some damn video games.
>>731082037Cheap RAM is gone, cheap GPUs may come back but they won't be what you cna get now. Your solutions are to either stop being a poorfag or start picking up pieces piecemeal from used builds people sell.The ai bubble is not going to pop while QE is in effect and QE is in effect as long as Orange Man still has a majority in the white house and demands the fed chair's head every time he doesn't cut a hundred basis points. Economy, inflation, everything else be damned. You're on the wild ride now.
Maybe you don't need the latest new thing to be happy.
>>731082217They're a lot closer to being bankrupt than they admit. It's only being propped up by falling interest rates, which let them borrow money for free every time they cut. This will have to continue until interest rates hit the negatives or the US defaults, which could also happen if orange retard keeps invading the world.
>>731097884>AMD GPU
>>731082361Based, let it crash, you and I won't notice a fucking thing. We're already going through an economic crash when you subtract the 8 or so AI companies, and their goals are impossible anyway.>>731082674>You can pivot the servers into something else it fineNo you can't, not anymore at least, these aren't traditional servers running traditional hardware, AI is all these servers are good for. It's why they jumped out of the general consumer market. >>731083054lmao two weeks
>>731082037>64GB of DDR4>i5-11600K>RTX 4060 8GBHow's it looking bros....
>>731099357Why are her eyes like that, is she stupid?
>>731082037what makes you so sure its gonna pop this year?
>>731082312How does that work? they bought the ram with money they don't have , bubble bursting means they can't pay anything they owe
>>731082443No he's correct.It's the same way that a military industrial bubble can't "pop" unless the government explicitly goes to the industry and pops it themselves.In a free market, some industries are so fundamentally essential to the existence of the state or to its geostrategic interests, that they aren't actually "free" and exist only in cooperation with the government, who also serves as their primary consumer, either directly through procurement contracts or indirectly through government subsidy.Think of it like agriculture, or building tanks. These are not industries which are at liberty of crashing because they are backed directly by the central treasury. They can only collapse when the entire economy collapses around them, or when the government deems them no longer essential and cuts them loose.AI is now an essential industry. It's such a good investment not because everyone richer than you is somehow convinced Roko's Basilisk is minutes from birth, but because the US government has essentially said that AI development is inextricable with the future of its economy. When your principle buyer is an entity with a multi-trillion dollar budget, you don't need to have a commercially viable business model. You just need to make the thing work, and then make the thing accessible to whoever's ready to sign that contract.The future of AI isn't in generating art so lazy gamedevs don't need to hire real artists. It's not in 'optimizing the workflow' of corporations who've laid off everyone but a few senior managers and turned their companies into high-tech daycare. This kind of egregious misuse which dominates headlines is just a symptom of the attitudes already present in our economy. The purpose of AI is to be a research tool, a surveillance tool and a weapon. It is because of these 3 fields that the US government will continue to ensure AI development gets infinite money.
OpenAI is going bankrupt but they can probably hold out for at least 2 years
>>731084262>The fall of the USA would be nothing but a net benefit for humanity.>Oh yeah dude I love my BRICS alliance and the EU trying to coddle up to them!You don't know what an actual totalitarian regime rule looks like. The only reason China has never made an attempt on Europe is because America would step in.
>>731098930These kinds of pictures and the people who make them always make me laugh. 5+ years ago those same people would have said the AI we have today was 50 years off lol. I wish I was joking too, but they were literally saying that 5 years ago.
>they think it's a bubbleOh to be a naive lefty redditor
>>731084115it marks the end of the US , civilization will continue
>>731099905There barely is any civilization outside of north america. The rest of the world is a shithole
>>731099653the US is currently behaving how they said Russia and China are gonna act if they were more bold
>>731100014>China keeps trying to buy up mines, naval bases and airfields in Greenland>The only reason Greenland (who is economically independent from Denmark) hasn't done it, is because America and Denmark keep stepping in to cockblock the deals>America has repeatedly stated since the 19th century that Greenland has the same strategic importance as Alaska and will not tolerate any foreign nation trying to encroach upon itBut you know, the news keeps saying Drumpf bad and only he cares about Greenland. It hasn't been America's operandi modus since long before you were born.
>>731082037what are the games you want to play that require so much ram?
>>731099571>The purpose of AI is to be a research tool, a surveillance tool and a weapon. It is because of these 3 fields that the US government will continue to ensure AI development gets infinite money.this anon is a knower
>32gb ddr5How fucked am I?
>>731100374so hows gonna affect the us if china has it
>>731099653>You don't know what an actual totalitarian regime rule looks like.You mean the one with military bases all over the world?The one that has engaged in systematic destabilization of foreign governments and populations around the world and just recently invaded Venezuela?The entity that proclaimed itself the world's police?You mean America?
>>731100014>the US is currently behaving how they said Russia and China are gonna act if they were more boldRussia showed in Ukraine that the post war rules based order is a sham, and that non-NATO aligned countries can stand up to the American Empire. Also China, Russia and Iran have come up with an alternative to the petrodollar (BRICS), which is what backs our currency. The Saudis (after we attacked Qatar, they realized we can't be trusted to restrain Israel) just joined. Venezuela was about to join. China has been moving into South America for the last 15 years or so, and it's pretty clear that their support of Russia in Ukraine was then testing the waters on how the world would react to them taking Taiwan. If they take Taiwan before we can match TSMC here, we're fucked. We've been in a cold war for more than a decade and it's ramping up on all fronts. All this would be happening regardless of who was president, maybe except Israel fucking up our diplomacy with the Middle East. Though the Saudis have been flirting with joining BRICS for a while, so who knows really.
>>731100846>so hows gonna affect the us if china has itThink the Cuban missile crisis but a million times worse. The early warning ballistic detection system only works when it can give an actual early warning. You get zero fucking time to prepare for strikes when the missiles shoot off your doorstep.Disregarding the military threat, Greenland is rich as fuck in rare earth materials like uranium and zinc.
>>731100967>>731100957>>731100374ok , this threads needs to go , this isnt pol , nobody cares
>>731082454All in need is my xp rig and my tablet.
>>731100967I thought I in BRICS stood for India.
>>731100957>and just recently invaded Venezuela?Oh piss off. Governments around the world labelled Maduro a criminal, a dictator, who had committed multiple violent acts and needed to be brought to justice. The world actively condemned Trump during his last presidency for not doing anything about him, how letting Maduro just do what he wants proved that he was bending the knee to China and Russia who had their eyes on the nation for its oil. So when America actually arrests the man and does it with zero civilian casualties, suddenly it's a problem?You know what the problem is with all you faggots between America, China and Russia? You're not genuine. You don't give a shit about anything. You have no morals, no beliefs. You lick the most convenient boot at any given time.>We condemn Russia invading Ukraine>But daddy Russia pls gib more oil thank you :3c
>>731101238>So when America actually arrests the man and does it with zero civilian casualties, suddenly it's a problem?You aren't really trying to say the coup in Venezuela was a thing for anything other than the oil, are you?Please do not pretend there was any sort of noble humanitarian concern, it's the same exact business China and Russia had but even more shameless and duplicitous.>You're not genuine. You don't give a shit about anything. You have no morals, no beliefs. You lick the most convenient boot at any given time.Says the man who defends the government that has been supporting men like Maduro for well over half a century.Did you already forget who trained and supplied Bin Laden with money and weapons against the soviets only to get bitten back in the ass a few decades later?Or who supported far right terrorist cells and parties in various european nations after WW2?Or really, the people who are defending Israel's bullshit with all their might because it's a literal glorified american colony and the single biggest american asset in the middle east?Maybe look in the mirror when you try to accuse others of licking boots, you might be surprised to see one all the way down your throat.
>>731101834>You aren't really trying to say the coup in Venezuela was a thing for anything other than the oil, are you?No, it's 50/50. Trump wanted to clap back against the people who condemned him the last time, both the Democrats and the EU, for not doing anything about it, who funnily enough now condemn him. But again it's also because letting China and/or Russia get hold of Venezuela is about as comforting as your nation suddenly be surrounded by Chinese air bases. I'm sure you'd find that comforting.>B-BUT THINGS AMERICA DIDYeah, and I support them or try to understand the motivations, because they're the actions of my country. I don't try to pretend I'm some fart sniffing intellectual who talks big when my nation is the equivalent of dust on a chess board. But go ahead, be smug when your government's response to everything is "OOH WE'RE MONITOORING CLOSELY"
>>731101189It does, but Iran is also a part of it. BRICS isn't just the 5 founding countries.
https://youtu.be/T6eiFyJMWgMJesus fucking Christ, man
>>731102205>>731102205>No, it's 50/50.A 50/50 of duplicitous sociopolitical motivations that have absolutely nothing to do with justice or humanitarian concerns, glad we agree.>Yeah, and I support them or try to understand the motivations, because they're the actions of my country.>AMERICA GOOD BECAUSE...BECAUSE ME AMERICAN SO AMERICA GOODSo much for having morals or beliefs, let alone calling anyone else bootlickers.Thanks for showcasing what bootlickers of a totalitarian regime actually look like though, the sheer hypocrisy, posturing and cognitive dissonance in your posts is truly something to behold, can't wait until your scam AI economy implodes under the weight of your own bullshit.
>>731100967>people in this thread shitting out essays don't even know where BRICS came fromDiscussing politics on 4chan is fucking pointless. You people are retards.
>>731102523Elitebook/Precision virgins lose to the chads of /tpg/ once again, as Thinkpads have 8 to 16 gigabytes of soldered ram and a sodimm slot for expandability.
>>731082037It's not going to be cheap even after it pops because data center racks don't use the same GPUs and RAM as consumer grade product. Production of consumer grade products are going to be downscaled in favor of data center stuff which won't trickle down to the market. I know your expectations are based on the pandemic and cryptobro craze, but you saw cheaper GPUs because scalpers were buying up the same product that you wanted. The unused or second hand data center GPUs and RAM will go from hyper scalers to the start-ups or from big corpo to small corpo. But not to us sadly. We're fucked in the long run.
>>731103190Brazil, Russia, India and China.
>>731092802Please no, I've been through like 3 bubble pops already.
>>731082037>go to read the news>THE AI BUBBLE IS ABOUT TO POP>go on youtube>3 different videos about the AI BUBBLE being in various states of collapsing>go on 4chan>THE AI BUBBLE THE AI BUBBLE THE AI BUBBLEI don't think there's a bigger buy sign than this. I'll put some more money on nvidia.
>>731102523felt bad for this guy until he started crying about based AI artwhat a fag, living on the losing side of history
>>731104121Hopefully India gets blocked from posting in this site so I don't have to read your posts again
>>731104382I also hope that happens but I don't live in India so you would continue crying about truth posters.
>>731103451>be born in the ~90s>go through 3 bubble pops>go through 3 popes
>>731082037>after
>>731082473The demand does exist and the profit isn't mathematically imposible
>>731104803I'm very pro AI but openai is never going to be profitable, there's too much competition.
>>731105102ThisAnd they even asked for a bailout already ( only to backtrack and say it wasn't really a bailout )OpenAI is fucked
''AI'' is definitely not a meme.Just see the massive breakthrough in protein folding research due to AI.However, that's the only thing that comes to mind. If you know more, I'd love to hear about it.LLMs are a meme, all they did was turn Google's search engine into literal garbage. They get worse with each update and hallucinate more than a schizophrenic meth addict.Yeah, some people have gained efficiency with the use of LLMs on their daily jobs. It's very fucking obviously not worth it, the math does not add up.What's left? AI images? AI videos? Supply where there's no demand. Elimiating a whole river worth of water just to create a 10 second video of a cat in cop uniform kneeling on a black cat is surely not worth it.
>>731105102>I'm very pro AIWhy?
>>731105342AI porn of my loli AI wife.
>>731082217It's an arms race fueled by 75 y/o board members who think AI is fuckin skynet being sold that obvious lie by silicon valley retards who are historically the most efficient bubblesmiths to ever walk the earth. This shit isn't going to do anything but rob of us a sustaining talent pool for programming and put is in a tech sinkhole for 20 years.
>>731105452sounds like Theranos 2.0
>>731082037Companies have already pre purchased ram well in to 2028, only chance ram prices go back to normal is in 2029
>>731082037Normally I say don't wait for shit to come down. You never know how long the scarcity is going to last, and you never know how how far it will come back down when it does (or if it will come back down at all).But absolutely fuck paying $250 for 16GB DDR5. That's just fucking horse shit that only makes sense if there are techbro niggers about.
>>731105234You have to keep in mind they haven't really contributed shit for years and they aren't leading anywhere tech wise when everyone is racing to the bottom in prices. There's basically a 0% chance they're ever profitable lol.>>731105347I'm just not retarded.
I don't really browse much on this site besides vidya and porn.I wonder how /g/ has been reacting to this whole ordeal
>>731105895>I'm just not retarded.So says the retard gottem
>>731082037i got picrel on new years day, it has seemed pretty awesome so far
>>731082217I hope you all made some little contribution at least to avoid the wrath if the basilisk.
>>731106443here's the pc itself
>>731106205/g/ is deep into AI stuff, so I doubt any regular in that place doesn't already have a good enough PC to last them 10 years or is too worried about it.
I got 32gb of ddr5, I am set for the next decade. It's only just now that games are starting to get to 32gb on the rec side of things.
>>731100957>BAWWWW they're mean to shithole governmentsthat has nothing at all to do with totalitarianism.
>>731082037AI is just an excuse, nothing will ever come out of it because AGI is not possible. We don't understand the human brain fully yet. But coordinated price fixing will stay forever. I suggest you invest in Micron or Samsung GDR (UK) stock and let it grow to eventually force these companies to pay for your build indirectly, as the hype just somehow doesn't stop. I sold my MU at $295 fully assuming it wouldn't go higher, then came New Year.. It has not gone back down.
>>731105342>Just see the massive breakthrough [a random article claimed happened]
>>731095676Hell yeah
>>731082217Bankruptcy seems more likely. They're investing massively into something and getting basically zero gains from it. It either bursts or they go full retard. I don't mind which.
>>731106443>>731106508no poptarts? amateur hour
>>731106361>you like cool tech? GOLEMnice argument
>>731105347NTA, but don't look at us just genning porn of ERPing and pretend we're actually OpenAI and have all that RAM in our laps right now, dumbfuck. Lol!>>731103467>put some more money on nvidia.The only companies growing are the DRAM ones. You'd know that had you actually looked at Nvidia's stock. Though, boomers randomly decided to bring up AMD by $20 despite them not doing anything at the last CES and allowing Intel to beat them up.
>>731107027>ofor
>>731082037>Behind the eternal waitfag
>>731082037GDDR4 is a lot to me, someone stuck with a fossil with GDDR2.
>>731105347>generating anime girls bent over>gross pubes are seeping thought her shortsthis is why I am pro AI
>>731106443>7900xt for $530I'm so fucking mad my local Microcenter ran out right as I noticed that deal.
>>731105347
>>731107781uh based
>>731082037>tfw I bought 64gb of DDR5 like a week before everything went tits upfeelsgood brosfeels really good
>>731106790https://youtu.be/cx7l9ZGFZkw
>>731107782what does it normally sell for? I'm a retard when it comes to pcs (further evidenced by me forgetting my SSD and HDD on that list, as well as all the case fans...)
>>731105347my dick
I hope the ''I'm pro AI because of AI porn'' posts are just memes and no one is actually that retarded
>>731108295>what does it normally sell for?From what I can tell, around $700 or so. I'm almost half tempted to get a used one, but knowing my luck I'd get a shitty one and get scammed.
>>731108416if it's any consolation I have had a few AMD driver crashes since putting everything together; however, overall it has been solid. I have been playing cyberpunk and doom 2016. I'm not sure what the contemporary "graphics" games are so I'm sure i'm not pushing it that hard
if you have 8gb, you could just buy 16gb, it's only like 30$ more expensive than it should be (like yeah, it used to be $40, so 2x~ more expensive).Will you wait 1 year just to save $30?If you mix the ram sticks with different brands, it will work at 2666hz (you might be losing like 20% performance, you might be able to manually overclock with different brands but it probably sucks with a budget mobo / certain cpu's / certain sticks, but you need to stress test and etc which is autism that most of us don't do).32gb however used to be $100, now it's $200.Budget GPU prices have not increased.the 5060 TI 8gb is $330 (if you only had 16gb of ram, you won't want the 16gb version because if you play games that use more than 8gb of vram, they tend to use more than 8gb of ram). The RX 9060 is $300.Like yes, monsterhunter wilds will get potato graphics at 60fps with 8gb, while the 5060 TI 16gb / 9060 16gb will get much better graphics, but that's not the GPU's fault, you require a 9800x3d to get above 100fps. And I don't know of any other game that has the same issue as mohun wilds (or if mohun wilds already fixed the issue, it's been a while).The 9070 XT is the same price it always was (it's probably not even that bad with 16gb of ram, but you probably need a probably NEED a new CPU which is the issue, assuming you are using AM4).
>>731108381The grapes must be very sour, right?
>>731108640>if you play games that use more than 8gb of vram, they tend to use more than 8gb of ram).because it spills over
>>731108381go to civitai and see how much of a joke it is
>>731108753
>>731101027>getting roasted because your country's mask fell off>s-stop with the politics!
>Stuck on AM4>The X3D cpus are all super overpriced now>A decent gpu upgrade will cost an arm and a leg and will be held back a bit by my current cpu
>>731108830You can generate infinite horse porn with AI.
>>731108910what are you even looking to use the pc for???
>>731108992I wanted to jump to a solid 1440p experience but I waited too long.
>>731108650You don't even know what that phrase means, Pablo.
Aichads won
>>731109076The grapes are in fact very sweet and delicious, too bad you can't have them.
>>731108830millions of pics thousands of modelsevery day for the past 4 yearsall for porn and cat videosAI overlord already exists and he's being made into the goon king
>>731108718no it's because DirectX started copying Opengl's technique of duplicating state.Essentially back in the DX9 days, as a programmer, you would need to constantly be ready for this thing called "context loss" and it would happen when you put your computer to hibernation(I think?), or the GPU crashed (since window 7, it's when the screen would turn off for a second, and a popup about your something wrong happened at the bottom right corner).I don't remember the last time my display adapter crashing, maybe GPU's just figured it out. But now everything on the GPU is stored on RAM, just like opengl. This goes into the implementation of how your CPU communicates with the GPU as well. Because it turns out that GPU's have this this called a DMA, direct memory access, and essentially a writing/reading a memory address is all you need to read/write to the GPU.So when you have vertices or textures that you want to modify, the graphics API would give you a pointer. You would think that pointer has DMA access (it might if it was some wacky unified memory config like the ps5), but it's not.The reason why the memory is not DMA is because it's likely currently being used by the GPU to render shit. And when you allocate 1gb on the GPU, you expect 1gb on the GPU, not 2gb or 3gb (needed for buffering DMA access, so you write to one while rendering with the other). That memory is precious, Instead it's buffered on the CPU.I don't actually know however. I don't use AI and maybe AI knows better *shrugs*.
I think i will survive with 16GB of DDR4
>>731082037>built a server in 2024 with 64gb ecc ddr4>mfw checking the price of that nowim finally rich boys
>>731109201You were only accidentally rich.
>>731109196oh cool, win + ctrl + shift + b will restart your display adapter.
>>731109532win ctrl shift alt Ltrust me bro
>>731109196*I wouldn't be surprised if hibernation actually stored both RAM and Vram into memory however.Since there is no reason to keep a full copy of all memory on the GPU on RAM.And also I have tried to check out some game benchmarks, and some games have more vram than ram, some have similar, and some have more ram (but maybe the benchmarker or the game has html web content...).I technically the memory is just a scratch buffer of data being uploaded and the size of the memory uploaded is probably pretty small (since you can only send so much data per frame).I would probably need to open up a GPU/memory profiling tool to see how much of the memory of certain games are used by the GPU driver.And like I said, nothing wrong about getting 16gb GPU with 16gb of ram, but it makes the chance of running out of ram more likely (but running out of vram is more likely in practice and more immediately causes an error, depending on the game since some games just adapt on the fly when running out of memory).
>>731108234You fall to easily for crack journalism. It didn't 'crack' anything and didn't win a noble prize, it just took a pre-made formula and plugged in.
>>731097884Kinda sad I never hopped on the AM5 train (AVX-512 would be really nice) but I'll manage
>>731085074how was the 'demic a scam?
>>731110828what level of schizophrenia is thishow it did not win a nobel prize
>>731111486Yours. Hassabis and Jumper got the prize, not the AI.
>>731108910get a 5800x or if you really want 3D then go to a midwest microcenter(bet they still have 5600x3d) OR see if a spic can send you a 5500x3d. They are at 180$ over the border.
>>731082037>End of the year>CheaperLet me to describe just how FUCKED we are. The factories haven't even been built to manufacture the RAM chips that are already ALL purchased for data centers that haven't even been built yet. At this point, the best we can hope for is prices will simply stabilize by the end of the year. Waitfagging was always retarded, but waitfagging now is cerebral palsy behavior. Unironically take a loan out for this shit if you need to. The appreciation in hardware cost will likely be worth it.
>>731105452>>731105342>>731099571AI today:-makes ADs for pennies and in minutes that would have taken millions and months-Can rewrite all the internet's information overnight into propaganda (ex. rewriting Wikipedia is trivial, grokipedia exists) -Tracks and machine-learns all your habits and can predict your actions like purchases and voting. -If you live in America the in-store prices are TODAY already different for you from the next customer that picks the same product off the shelves thanks to machine learning-It can log and summarize all your calls and internet usage into a personality profile and estimate pre-crime, or replace your posts on 4chan with a facsimile -it can pick one porn flick and make it into anyone you imagine. A single person can also now generate a short film about you being a pedophile that will take a forensic team to disprove.-it's so good at information fetching schooling and training might be an entirely AI thing from now on at teachers and students already use it daily-vibe coding has already become the normEtc.
i built a computer when elden ring came out. little did i know, it would be the last one.
So, question: when are people actually going to do anything about any of this? Why did George Floyd incite riots across America but no one does shit about the astronomical cost of everything? Are people just going to keep opening their mail and go "my electric bill just went up another $100 again rassa frassa" and just continue to take it up the ass?Why?Where the fuck are all the Luigis??
>>731087215that how easy it is to gen practically photorealistic cp isnt being used to fight ai in general is how you know literally every 'side' is all in.
>>731111896Bystander effect. Everyone wants someone else to do something. America, in particular, hasn't had any real strife as a country in a long time. We're also the most divided we've ever been. Most people hate eachother. Any desire for change is usually for selfish reasons instead of altruistic ones. I feel like a drastic government overreach will be the ultimate test that decides where this country goes.
>>731082945because one thing goes wrong in that chain and the entire thing collapses
Try 2-3 years for it to come down
>>731083054ok and who is funding any of that?
>>731112167George Floyd wasn't that long ago. Why did everyone give a shit then? It obviously had a desired effect because despite being 13% of the population, black people are now in like 85% of the media conveniently....
>>731088317the opposite is truethe dumpster is still on property owned by the people throwing out the trash, and the trash is still owned by themit's actually theft and trespassing to take stuff out of themnot sure where you were told otherwise
>>731084115You said the same thing about covid you bullshit artist
>>731086717ANEURYSMBOTULISMEPILEPSY NARCOLEPSY PULL THE PLUG
>>731086717it's solar
>>731083262I'm on year 9 1/2 with my good old 1080, thank fucking god for 1440p, old games and indie shit.
>>731083262I also have 32gb ddr4 with a 1660s that can still run new games like pic rel, and even though I don't play many new games at the moment, it still runs everything I usually play, so I'm more than happy with that
>>731108234>>731111486https://youtu.be/cx7l9ZGFZkw?t=1030https://youtu.be/cx7l9ZGFZkw?t=1195I caved and watched, the proteins it predicted were known already, and it didn't solve all the known ones. And then later at 19:54, they admit the use is limited, although it seems to immediately contradict itself.
>>731092507Doesn't matter, it is what people believe it is. My mom loves chatgpt and when I tell her to be careful and it's not always right she looks at me like I'm retarded.
>>731111896>when are people actually going to do anything about any of this? Why did George Floyd incite riots across America but no one does shit about the astronomical cost of everything?I wish I was this naive. >Where the fuck are all the Luigis??The green pipe leads to the tunnels.
