Gacha Games
And they never learn
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>>731083853>You might not get what you want: =(>You might get the same waifu twice: =)))))
>>731083953yes that's how it works when you use the power of money to get women
>>731084348You can't use that
>>731084413They rig the rates in real time and if you try to refund or call them out they ban you
>>731084471Wow, gacha games are more realistic than I thought
>>731083853gacha games are truly predatory and i swear there are specifically designed to capture a specific percentage of the human population who loves this shit. My fiance has utterly wasted hundreds of dollars on fucking Genshin Impact and it's all because it's essentially a Barbie dress-up game to her. I never, ever want to hear people say that Western games are scams when Asians have been running these schemes for years. At least in Fortnite you buy silly skins and keep them. In Gacha games, the content is outright paywalled.
>>731083853Even as someone with no impulse control, I don't really understand the thrill of spending a ton on gachas. The games are so expensive that spending doesn't even feel worth it. Are gacha fags just rich or something?
>>731084594I believe it, I get so many crap rolls from Genshin. I get what I want maybe three or four times a year, and I play year round.
>>731083853I have over 3000 days in dokkan, I haven't spend a cent and my time was going to be wasted anyway
>>731084771>gacha games are truly predatory and i swear there are specifically designed to capture a specific percentage of the human population who loves this shitPeople really, really do not understand how addictive gambling can actually be, they can't grasp it. Online sports betting and other betting apps have exploded in the past decade and people as young as their late teens are becoming literal gambling addicts and ruining their lives over that shit. When you see a gachafag trying to shill their shit to you, you have to understand they're either a paid marketer (unlikely) or a hopeless gambling addict trying to recruit people into his habit to normalize it. "I'm f2p, I don't put any money into it!" he says, lying through his fucking teeth because he thinks you can't smell the desperation.
playing the wrong game
>playing
>>731084990>"I'm f2p, I don't put any money into it!" he says, lying through his fucking teeth because he thinks you can't smell the desperation.No, I genuinely haven't spent anything. All you do is know to be patient and only summon a couple times a year when there are discounts.Sometimes I miss out on a big unit or two but it's fine to wait for them to comeback in a better banner. It actually forces me to improvise how to beat their content with old units, like an rpg where you can't follow a guide and minmax everything every playthrough.Wouldn't recommend getting into dokkan rn either. Omatsu, that fat fuck, has gone way too overboard with the powercreep lately.I'm just here to say it's fine to play gacha if you aren't a subhuman and know to control your emotions.
>>731085713Listen to yourself:>get the things you want out of your game a couple of times a year>sometimes I miss out on things>It requires self-control to play these games without blowing tons of moneyThis complete lack of self-awareness demonstrates my point beautifully, thank you for that.
>>731083853I miss when ecchi games weren't just gachaslop. Even if they were mediocre, they were 100x better than what we have now.
>lootbox, west>lootbox, east
>>731085889Yeah, I don't get it. I have some free dopamine hits every few months, isn't that why everyone plays games to begin with?It's better than waiting years for new games to release, pay for them, maybe be disappointed and wait for more corporate slop in half a decade.The whole gambling thing disappears when I'm not dumping money into it no matter what.
>>731083953Kek, l am glad there are sites on internet that transform gfl into a VN, Imagine unironically getting scammed like this over a waifu>>731085950These times died with psvita
>>731086236Just download some emulators. Get the fun on your own time. Why put up with that garbage for months?
>>731083953Did they get screwed over by payment processors for "potentially" sexual content?
no shit anon, you can't buy a lottery ticket and then ask for the money back when it's not the winning number
>>731086236>Yeah, I don't get it.Clearly.>I have some free dopamine hits every few months, isn't that why everyone plays games to begin with?I'm not in the business of telling people what they're allowed to enjoy, but you're describing something whose very foundation is built on the backs of whales with no self control so that you can collect a pittance of dopamine (note how you didn't say "fun") on some rare occasion as payoff for your daily slave labor. People like you have completely lost the plot because you live in some alternate world where actual video games you can play (often for free) don't exist and you're stuck picking coins up off the ground like a fucking street bum trying to get a bottle of liquor.
>>731086413I do use emulators. I've been playing through Megaman Starforce DX lately.But I also have gacha that gets constantly updated that I can discuss. And like I said, I like the aspect of not getting everything all the time.In an rpg you already know where all the best equipment is, what all the boss weaknesses are. Your playthrough will be basically the same as anyone else's, but with gacha if I don't have the new units I'm forced to improvise with what I do have. Doesn't apply as much when they tighten the knot too much with powercreep to the point old units may as well not exist, but for years Dokkan managed to hit that sweet spot.>>731086651>you're describing something whose very foundation is built on the backs of whales with no self controlYes. They pay I play. That's the gist of it.
>>731086530No, it's more like getting a bunch of those little rubber toys from those grocery store machines, and then they take them all away when they replace the machine.
>>731086413You would be 100% right if being free was the only reason people play this, but it's also a waifu collector, and corporate countries like Japan made a taboo about emulation, so it's a no-no option.
>>731086530This is what casino's do though.
>itt lucklets
>>731086762>Yeah sure the game I used to enjoy is unplayable now, and sure other people are paying for it so I could have ten minutes of fun three times a year, but hey it's a valid genre of game.Actual fucking parody.
>>731086953I mean I'm clearly upset how unreasonable the power creep got lately. But I did have more fun with it than most modern games.> so I could have ten minutes of fun three times a yearNo I can have fun whenever a new stage drops every few weeks. It's just that I either got lucky and can roflstomp everything or I have to use my brain to get around the stages.The few times a year is specifically just in regards to summoning and while I do budget pretty well it's not like I'm so tight I will only go in on a couple of banners a year.
>>731084826The rates are controllable on the server side rather than the client side as proven by Genshin server leaks and other Gachas packet sniffing stuff. It's 100% rigged. There's little oversight unlike actual casinos.
>>731087229That's even more grody.How are we supposed to get decent Skirk pulls?
>>731087217Anyway thank you for proving my initial assertion.
>>731087396Believe whatever you want
>>731084771>"At least in Fortnite you buy silly skins and keep them.">My predatory FOMO is better than your predatory FOMOlmao
>>731087483>Gacha games are predatory and the people who advocate for them have a crabs-in-a-bucket mentality>Nuh uh, I didn't pay for my game, I just have to budget the pittance of resources the game hands out to me in exchange for my labor in the hopes that the RNG is in my favor and it gives me a character I want, otherwise dozens of hours of my life will have been flushed down the toilet.>Also the game is unplayable now unless you pay>I see nothing wrong with this and gacha is a valid genreIt's not a belief if you know something for a fact.
>>731087662Fortnite's skins have no affect on gameplay
>>731087849It doesn't matter if they do or dont because both are using predatory tactics to target retards with no self control
>>731087229I thought I read at some point for Nikke that it was like a server wide distribution, where the percentage of SSRs being handed out was proportional, but it was entirely based around people hitting on a global scale. So, if you always rolled while other people were winning, you would never hit. I'm assuming most other gacha operate on the same pretense. The roll percentages are "correct" it's just that you might not be included so it's best to avoid games that don't have a pity system for rolling.
>>731087809>>Nuh uh, I didn't pay for my game, I just have to budget the pittance of resources the game hands out to me in exchange for my labor in the hopes that the RNG is in my favor and it gives me a character I want, otherwise dozens of hours of my life will have been flushed down the toilet.Yeah, and I had fun with it. Not anymore wasted time than with other games.>>Also the game is unplayable now unless you payI've still beaten everything, I never called it unplayable. It's just not as fun now because only like 30 units are reasonably usable currently instead of the hundreds I had to pick from a couple of years ago
>>731088143k bud
>>731087229for what purpose does it serve Hoyo to rig things in my favor? back during Fontaine i won 20 coinflips in a row and had multiple earlys including a double on-banner.my pulls have since mostly returned to normal but i had an early double just last week.sometimes RNG just does RNG things. just because they *could* in theory rig the odds doesn't mean they give enough of a shit to do so.
>Play only one gacha game (unless you count Master Duel I guess)>Have a basically maxed out account>Total cost was $10 like three times a year and the bare minimum background effort for about an hour or two a weekI can't even imagine what players of these other games must go through
>>731086874Casinos won't take your winnings back of they close down
>>731088195Well, there are also factors like true RNG being too intensive to simulate so there's this idea of seeded accounts based on user ID/account number. On top of global statistics, there's a chance whenever you roll ends up being the perfect time when people that can't hit end up rolling, and since those people aren't hitting the banner unit, you win your 50/50s instead, although global distribution like that hasn't been proven to my knowledge. However, it's no secret certain accounts tend to have better luck on average than others whilst the vast majority are lucky to get a crumb of that luck, and an even worse minority tend to pretty much never get lucky. This idea became most obvious when GFL2 introduced the platoon chat showcasing what everyone was getting in their rolls. Whenever our platoon would miss we would always get every single standard unit except for QJ/TLL. Which is by far the most suspicious part, because even randoms joining wouldn't hit them without the guaranteed selector. One of our guys will straight up hit an SSR 20-40 pulls every other SSR without fail. He's vastly ahead of everyone else units wise despite only paying for BP/monthly. I hit in the first 10 pull on Suomi launch banner and since then didn't get a single early hit without entering soft pity for about 8-9 months, and my 50/50 luck stopped being good 2 banners in. Meanwhile everyone else active in the platoon hit early, won their 50/50s way more on average, and would even get double units in one ten pull. My account seemingly being lucky at the start ended up being a trap, and despite the cycle finally being broken, it went back to being completely abysmal once again and still currently is. Now my anecdotal evidence only involves 8 other people, but it's enough to make me think something is up when it's seemingly this consistent. Especially with how our misses end up going.
>>731089204I dunno... google says it's hard.
>>731083853I refunded over $300 in Fire Emblem Heroes after I got fleeced in one legendary banner. I had a 13% pity built up. I had a negative orb balance but didn't care since I uninstalled the game.
>>731089403i understand wanting to rationalize rotten luck but on the grand scheme of things all are equal as far as i have seen.random chance is exactly that, random chance.considering all the trackers these games have if there was anything suspicious with the odds it would have easily been called out by now.
>>731084413>complains about gacha>pays for 4chan pass
>>731084853I will never forgive how SHIT the ending of this anime was, the beginning was so good and comfy and then they ruined it with this world ending apocalpyse pseudo-intellectual SHIT FUCK YOU
>>731089579I am so happy that I don't have the brain chemicals that make me a pathetic gambling addict like this
>>731086413>Why put up with that garbage for months?>drrr
>>731088002yeah but Fortnite is solely for cosmetics which is a hell of a lot better than cosmetics + gameplay buffs. Genshin impact will genuinely paywall new characters and expect you to pay 100 dollars for a guaranteed unlock of said new character. It is much more predatory.
>>731083853It's pretty surreal how quickly the illusion fades once you no longer get dopamine from rolling a character. Happened to me about 3 years after wasting my time in a gacha and quit that shit right away. What I don't understand how some people no longer get that high and still waste their time in those shitty games anyways.
