Is elden ring nightreign worth playing or it's zoomer sloppa.
It's good, but the progression system is absolute dogshitYou're better off just using cheat engine to skip the most heinous RNG in a fucking video game, actually worse than gacha
It's interesting, but it's annoying playing online desu.You only need to use a trainer to boost your damage by a small amount to be able play it solo and have fun with it.For some reason I cant play it online with anticheat, so I played a pirated version with a +.5 damage buff. Otherwise its bullshit.
>>731085991It's neither of those things.
>>731086620>>731086131>you need to hack the game to have funwtf happened to fromsoft man
>>731085991I like it, but it becomes markedly less fun after your 2nd run or so each session.Some of the design choices are weird. I wish they would let you matchmake on the great hollow in deep of night mode
>>731087130nightreign was made by the b-team
>>731085991>worth playing?Ask yourself this:>Am I a zoomer who only enjoys the newer Souls games for their boss-rush combat focus design?Yes? You'll like Nightreign.No? You enjoyed their older games for their world/level design? You'll hate Nightreign.
>>731087130Don't listen to those retards. Just play normally.
best souls game since bb so yeah
>>731087669Don't listen to this retard OP if you go solo, otherwise you'll waste hours on going over the same shit
Most fun game since AC6.
>>731085991Its like if Elden Ring was a tiktok video
>>731085991if you have friends you can regularly play with then yeah it's pretty fun
I personally thought it was really fun but I liked Elden Ring’s base combat. It’s expanded upon a lot with each of the characters and passive stacking to the point it trivializes the day bosses, but you still gotta watch out for your teammates and if you want a bigger challenge, you can play Depth of Night which is basically just the NG+ mixed with Bloodborne’s cursed chalices. The main reason you’re playing this game is for the nightlords. Some are better than others and the everdark variants are nice as well. Some everdarks obviously got a higher budget than others. Also, the game can be played entirely solo but it can be kinda boring like that. And if you just don’t like the game, know that they’re modding the everdarks into regular ER as well which will require Nightreign so just keep it for that if you want. Only on PC, of course.
>>731085991>Is elden ring nightreign worth playingYes>>731086131Git gud
It's better than elden ring but playing solo it's brutal.
>>731088401>It's better than elden ringhow?
Have you played Souls games multiple times?If so, that's the pace of the game you have to operate at, your third and beyond playthrough.It is a "shock" to people who go in expecting a pace similar to the typical first playthrough experience.As long as you go in with that mindset or are willing to adjust to it and genuinely enjoy EldenSoulsborne games, you'll enjoy Nightreign.
>>731086620>You only need to use a trainer to boost your damage by a small amount to be able play it solo and have fun with it.enemies have so little hp when you are solo you might aswell use a one shot kill cheat at that point if you are gonna boost your damage
>>731088428They turned the gigantic bloated slog that is elden ring into an actually kinda well designed fun and fast arcade game. I just prefer this kind of game a lot more than bloated open world slop.But of course the problem is that it's mainly an MP game first, and as an MP game it's severely lacking in features to cooperate, talk and shit. Meanwhile if you play the game completely solo it's so hard that it hardly feels like they even tested it for solo. this is why I can't exactly recommend the game 200% (like I would for AC6) but if you have a lot of gamer friends who played elden ring and you use discord or something while playing you'll love it for sure.
>>731088428elden ring is bloated, nightreign is a focused action game
>>731086620Damn nigga how bad are you
>>731085991If you like Monster Hunter or Risk of Rain you'll enjoy it. Really fun if you have some other guys to play with. No you don't need to cheat in relics since all of the best relics are from beating the bosses.
>>731086131ok but like the game is clearly not designed around 6x (buff) + (School spell) relics. now that you have 6 relic slots what do you really need to cheat for?
>>731088656For the damage scaling, what I mean is that there's a sweetspot where if you do an absolutely perfect run and go nuts killing as much as you can squeeze in the time limit, you get get to lvl 14-15.Without that, certainly if solo, it goes from challenge to play online co-op or stop playing the game because it takes too many retries
>>731088656>when you are solowho the fuck plays this solo lmao
>>731087130>>731087304>muh b-team!Ishizaki worked on BB and this game and It's the exact same in Bloodborne lol, the beast cutter only gets good with 3 heavy abyssal gems and the farming in those cursed chalice dungeons is FOUL
>>731085991No. It's the dumbest, most one-dimensional, garbage pop-flavored bastardization of a franchise made paletteable for the average consumer to sell more copies.It's the definition of slop. A bunch of formless gunk with bright colors sprinkled in to make it more paletteable.Its "fans" barely qualify as human. They're easier to please than Call of Duty fans. If you ask them why it's a good game the answer is "it's fun" or "I like the giant hammer". They like the logo.
>>731089581i like the pebus
is it fun solo?
>>731089581>I like the giant hammer
>>731085991Don't listen to any of the shitters here saying you need a trainer for anything. First of all the game is fucking easy even in Deep of Night level 5 if you know what you are doing, especially now with the double Balancer relics, you can just stack skill attack up and cream everything. Make sure you always have at least 1 Damage Negation at Full HP if you are playing depth 3 and above to not get one shot. I have 9999 Depth and rarely ever lose a run. The different characters all have unique playstyles and I love all of them. I was kind of disillusioned with Elden Ring, i did love Sekiro and had that as my favourite, this game takes the bits of Elden Ring / Sekiro that I like and magnifies them and gets rid of the shit that is boring. It's addictive as hell, I have over 500 hours on it and still am not tired especially with the DLC. I bought it on a whim and it's hands down the most engaging gameplay I've had in a long time. Vibe wise it gives me a similar feel to Monster Hunter or Resident Evil Outbreak in the co op aspect which I really love. When it was announced i thought it was going to be trash fortnite garbage and didn't even bother to do the Network Test, i pirated it and played it solo for a bit, kind of liked it, then went online and fucking loved it. Give it a go it's only 30 bucks or whatever.
>>731089581Show Deep of Night 9999 rating or be quiet.
>>731085991It's slop
>>731089654It is, it has the smoothest souls gameplay ever because Ishizaki knows how to make a fun game unlike Tanimura and Miyazaki. Shame he can't write for shit.
How do I defeat the first big boss so I can play the rest of the game I paid for?
>>731088998>>731086131Cheating ruins the game, the game isn't designed are you having perfect relics. The game is balanced around you having fucked up relics and trying to make do with what you have. The only real issue with the relic system is that some usable relics can be absolutely ruined by one "positive" effect being on them, like dormant powers which change your preferred weapon
>>731085991Its a boss rush with admittedly good new bosses but you have to run around ganking and stunlocking trash mobs for 40 minutes every time you want to fight one.Even then the "base" forms of the bosses are underwhelming difficulty-wise, everdarks are the "real" content and theyre linked to a weird FOMO rotation schedule where only a few are available at a time.
>>731089908Pick Revenant, find a seal with Discus of Light or Triple Rings, pick up some starlight shards, summon big skeleton or pumpkin head when the fire dog appears, spam Discus of Light when they're distracted, win
>>731085991I love it. It's a great game to burn an hour just roaming and boss rushing. Heolstor is my favorite boss in all of Soulslikes.
>>731089581I enjoy the handling and the collaborative combat.Some of the most pleasant parts of the game are just sprinting across the fields of Limgrave.
>>731090207You're meant to play DoN where you can fight any everdark boss at random. The rotation schedule doesn't matter.
>>731090223>find a seal with Discus of Light or Triple RingsHow do I do that? I've yet to see one.
>>731090823>How do I do that?RNJesus
>>731091009>>731090823Also, Big Churches (the ones with golems, fire monks and bubble guys) have small altars with 2-3 seals.
>>731090207you need to play depth of night to get all the content at random anon, the entire game is currently balanced around it. Normal mode is essentially just a way to practice at this point. >>731090823Explore the map to find where things can spawn, the game isn't actually that rng dependent. A lot of shit is predetermined and can be forced.
>>731085991It's a co-op action fantasy game. If you like those words, you'll like Nightreign.
>>731086620No Circle Damage mod good too since boss take too long solo, more fair is just more fun
>>731090539What does "handling" mean? This is a serious question.The game lags like ass, it really lags like ass when connecting with another player, the enemies blatantly read your inputs. I'm not gonna say the hitboxes are "bad", but they're not Sekiro which absolutely nailed it.
>>731091678Movement of the player character in the world, mostly. Running, jumping. The movement simply feels spectacular, which is half a game's work. Learning exactly how to walk around a boss as it thrashes is fun. Perhaps it's my favor for Ironeye and his ability to shoot while moving.Frankly, I have never noticed significant lag except when it tries to make me play with someone in china or australia.
>>731085991It's great
>>731091678Your computer or your internet is the lag, not the game. Input reading is horseshit too but I know better than to try and argue there. The movement and traversal is extremely smooth and fun, so much so that going back to ER feels like shit.
>>731091678Git gud, shitter
>>731085991It's pretty fun, although will fuck up your muscle memory a bit when you go back to base Elden Ring.>>731086131Cheating relics is retarded. It's more fun to make crazy builds with the scraps it gives you. Besides, the guaranteed relics tend to be pretty good anyways.
>>731093040I can't figure out how to parry packet loss
The Fortnite mechanics made me not want to touch it. Not interested in battle royale slop.
>>731092584It's an xbox. That horse with Oblivion armor in the beginning made the game run at like 18 FPS. I have absolutely no idea why other than the game came out too quickly.
>>731090823Great churches, especially the holy ones with a bunch of doots, will have seals. Golem churches are more of a pain in the ass since you gotta climb to the 2nd floor to get them. There's also a shack near a grace that will have some seals too, sometimes being the spawn area with a bunch of Gostoc looking dudes.
>>731091678The lag usually isn't too bad, unless your computer is shit. Even then, the lag is in your favor and makes enemies significantly easier to dodge.
>>731086131Better or worse than Vermintide?
Revenant a cute
>>731085991It felt like F2P to me. Dropped it pretty quickly, but I imagine if I had IRL friends interested and actively wanting to play I’d have stuck it out. Playing with randoms was a truly miserable experience in 6/10 games.
>>731085991I have 1000 hours in every Souls and Nightreign is an absolute piece of shit cashgrab that makes me seriously worried about what the fuck is happening at From
>>731093918Again, it's an xbox. Every normie gamer mom and 9 year old that signed up for the latest Zanzibart soul slop got the same experience.Are you really going to try and justify the performance of this game? The game has pretty colors and scenery but the graphical fidelity looks like a hot new game straight out of 2012.I know enough about how computer graphics work to know that their programming is crap. With a bit of R&D you can framelock it to 60 FPS. With a dedicated team of people researching SIMD or something you can probably quadruple the performance and that's not an exaggeration. Apparently it's not in the budget for this game that sold 9 billion copies.The only worse example in recent memory is Borderlands. A fat, hulking steam engine of a game with pretty lighting crawling along at 45 FPS.
>>731094483>Again, it's an xboxMy condolences. Consolecucks suffer once again
>>731094123>Playing with randoms was a truly miserable experience in 6/10 games.By far the biggest flaw of the game. Playing with friends and vg is fun even when we lose. At least half my rando games are just miserable.
>>731094582Okay so you're really going to excuse the performance.I say "the game performs badly" (regardless of what it is) and you spit out this. Don't bother trying to talk about the game itself because it's only going to make less sense.This is your average Soulslop fan and this is what fanboy brainrot looks like. Call of Zanzibart 2k21 is a game for 9 year olds that just got their christmas money and want to make a sick edit with their favorite weapon that matches their RGB setup.
It's 100% a beta project. It's fun to play with friends but it's undesigned as fuck>Clunky jumping and platforming>Balancing is dogshit: 90% of drops are useless and the rest are overpowered.>Map traveling and design is shit and no changing>Many maps aren't even worth doing>Great hollow.
>>731095560what platforming? you never answered
>brainlets STILL filtered by great hollowchadsit's got the best power in the game that trivializes field bosses and gives you a huge advantage against the nightlordin short: git gud shitter
>>731089689Lol deep of night is not easy at all, literally everything oneshots you that's why the meta is negate damage a full HP, and some camps and bosses aren't even viable in that mode.If you have 200 hours and you know every animation in the game and spawn points ofc is easier, but that's true for every game. Depending on the boss and run you need certain drops and a hitless run or low error run to get a victory, which is difficult as fuck in a 40 min run solo. Don't lie to the poor guy.
>>731095619I guess anything involving the magic horse that can jump in mid air exactly once like Super Mario.You get this right out of the gate and if you have 2 braincells you immediately start thinking about how to exploit it. Most players have 2 braincells so their solution to this is giant cliffs that are a hundred feet tall.
>>731095746The power is good but I'd rather have Noklateo or the Crater anvil.
>>731095619Anon, not even 5 minutes have passed, I have a life and things to do outside 4chan.I mean the jumping you do at walls to get to the camps and in the maps. They are full of stones and obstacles and it just feels silly, and the map isn't easy to travel at all. Many of the roads are blocked by high walls. After a while it becomes repetitive.
>>731095925Torrent isn't in Nightreign
>>731095974Oh I have no idea then. nta and have not played
>>731095965use spirit springs and the stone climbing spots covered in bird poop. and there is a very easy and well known wall climbing shortcut below that northeast evergaol. idk sounds like a map knowledge issue. yes getting from point to point isn't a completely free straight line, but that's part of the challenge.
>>731096080I know the jumps in the castle and fortress, stop baiting. What I mean is jumping sucks and the maps are full of stones with hitboxes which makes traveling the map horrible, like in the churches.It's the little things.
>>731096213the cliff climbing jump isnt apart of the castle
>>731085991A ton of fun with friendsOkay with randosOkay soloReally made to be played with 3 people, bosses are designed around trios.
>>731096273There is a shortcut in the castle where you can jump on the wall and get to the top quickly if you don't know.What I mean is that jumping and navegating though the terrain in the game is horrible, even the smallest pebble has a collisionbox.
>>731085991played it for about two weeks, got all achievements and did every characters quest and all my motivation went downhill after that. i have no idea how you are supposed to spend time in this, its very fast very boring, even with friends
>>731086131Chinese hands wrote this post
>>731086620the same is easiest on solohow fucking BAD are you that you have to cheat on top of that
>>731086131Relics being random is the most cynical part of this game, I hate it SO much and them doubling down with the deep of night versions really pisses me off. Its supposed to bloat gametime but it just makes me not want to play when I remember I've got nothing but trash from hours of runs
>>731093397the game is balanced around your relics have 1-2 good things on them each. That is why cheaters shitstomp the bosses; the game is not made for you to have perfect relics and exist only for the chase. Cheaters are 67 IQ Indians, Chinese, and Russians anyways so they will never understand it. Literal fucking easy mode sub-humans. At least the faggot with God Mode on Cheat Engine isn't lying to himself like they are.
Raider got a big buff now so I'm running way more fun builds than earlier. Now it's two relics with skill cooldown, plus a relic that improves attack when taking damage. Add the new passive skill he got, and it's a lot of fun to just stay in the fight while you're doing good damage. Anyone know if it's better to use one colossal weapon over two now that the attack speed for single armaments was buffed?
>>731096858considering that he gets the damage buff for colossal weapons 2h also with regular great axes and hammers, I think so.I always preferred it for stamina purposes and extra poise damage but I feel that 2h is 100% the way to go now.
>>731091668>>731086131>>731086620You cheated not only the game, but yourself.You didn't grow.You didn't improve.You took a shortcut and gained nothing.You experienced a hollow victory.Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.
>Tfw stuck in don4 trenchI'll win streak like +1200 points with teammates that know their shit then I'll get stuck with teammates that insist on doing the dumbest shit possible and lose all those points in 3 games
>>731085991>Is elden ring nightreign worth playingyes>or it's zoomer sloppa.yes
>>731097276I was stuck in 4 for months, then around new years I got a 7 in a row win streak and now I'm in 5 and I won one game in 5 just to say I won a depth 5 game. I did it all with randoms too since I don't have friends who play ERN. Just keep at it, you can do it anon
>>731097276don is fucking cancer and I hate myself for wasting so much time on that retarded treadmillthe regular game is more fun and I get to try different builds and not sweat it if I fall behindmy opinion might be different if I had friends to play with, though
yes it's funjoin the /erg/ thread in /vg/ unless you're a weird fag
>>731097950>a bunch of circlejerking namefags and RPing faggotsno I don't think I will
>>731098142I think the people that actually play the game in /erg/ are normal though
>>731098142there is some typical vg offtopic namedrop garbage but for the most part its not that bad. you can just play with the password and barely post
Would it be viable for Fromsoft to make something similar to Nightreign in the future but without the time limit? Just more slow-paced dungeon crawling with friends. Or does it need the fast pace when you're playing with randoms to keep you from getting bored while they're looting and fixing their builds?
>>731099221Bloodborne chalice dungeons actually get pretty damn close. I don't really like pvp so I dont have hope for duskbloods
>>731099329Yeah, I'm imagining something like that, but keep in mind that you would have to actually earn all your loot and make your build while you're doing the dungeon. Unless it's some sort of extraction game and you can go in with your build ready to go
>>731091378The only correct post I've seen.
>>731085991it's a really good game. hopefully from don't abandon it. the recent patches fixed a lot of shit, the meta has also been turned on it's headI kind wish the great hollow was part of the normal map. I also wish the map had somewhat more variation. Like I got to DON5. I want more variation, better events.
I really wish I could play this game again. Now, after the DLC came out it just CTDs all the time. I can't even finish a match anymore.
>>731100037I want new weapons. The black UGS from the DLC that charges forward and explodes for example. They must not want to add more weapons the weapon pool or something.
>>731095008You got suckered into buying an underpowered shitbox and that is everyone else's problem now?
>>731087520>No? You enjoyed their older games for their world/level design? You'll hate Nightreign.wrong, I'm a level exploration enjoyer and I really like Nightreign, because it's a different game in a different genre. It's supposed to be coop Elden Ring in ~40 minutes and it works very well
We'll probably get ED versions of the last two bosses and then that's it for content, right?
>>731101971I don't think they're ever gonna make an Everdark Heolstor. He's already a perfect fight as is, it would be obnoxious to make a version of him that has double HP and never stops attacking just to gratify the 1% of the playerbase that wants their balls twisted harder.
>>731101971they're not making everdarks for bosses that already have 3 phases for updates, last patch ended with this
>>731102305The patch notes always say thatThis is Elden Ring from 2024 and the only thing they released since then was a tiny bugfix after Nightreign came out
>>731102225>>731102305I guess I can understand because Night Aspect and Dreglord are already great bosses, and you don't want to mess that up just for the sake of creating a bigger challenge. But I'd still be a little disappointed. Especially since that basically makes ED Libra the hardest boss in the game, and I hate that guy
>>731085991It's alright if played with friends. I don't like souls games but I had some fun with it. My friend who's a huge soulslike fan and plays every soulsslop says it's one of the most doghist soulslikes and fromsoftware's worst souls game.
>>731086131faggot opinion and blockeddo NOT cheat relics, every character has purchasable worthy relics/boss relics
>>731085991Wish the Gacha wasn't so bad, would be nice if there was at least something worthwhile to spend Murk or Sovereign Sigils on.
>>731107702>gachaStop using words you don't understand.
>>731108567No u.It's a gachapon anon. Thankfully obviously one you can't RMT, but it's still a gachapon.
>>731108603retard
>>731086131as someone who agrees with you usually, you get tons of good relics are guaranteed drops
complaining about the gacha is midwit ahh shit bluddy
>>731109318Nigger.
>>731086131>progression systemThe remembrance, buyable and boss relics make the random relics just a little side mechanic.And you don't even need any relics to beat all the bosses.
>>731086620>50% extra damage on the easiest modeDidn't know one could be this terrible.
Why the fuck didn't they implement the martial arts wraps from the ER DLC they're so much fun
Axe of Godrick is actually good now that Raider can charge fast. Same with Axe of Godfrey
>>731085991>The greatest Souls game ever made, and it's getting its support shit-canned for SwitchborneIt's enough to make a man sick.
>>731085991Is this online only?
>>731111061no
>>731110675>now that Raider can charge fastWhat happened? What changed?
>>731111325His one handed and twohanded moveset is WAY faster now, and he got another passive. When he's down to around 25% HP he gets a 50% damage boosthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qxSkLMQfw8
>>731111006Pretty sure a different team is working on that. Only reason why they would stop support is if they run out of ideas for DLC but this game is still getting 10k+ players a day so they would be stupid to let this game die just yet.
>>731085991>no cross playjaps are retarded
>When the Caligo raid hits and your framerate tanks in half.
>>731111804Only way they can monetize this further is by releasing more DLC and at that point they might as well be working on another gameReminder that Sekiro and AC6 didn't even get DLC
I've been playing a few triple Undertaker runs and holy fuck do they curbstomp absolutely everything. We're talking 9x ult activations rapid fire between us, then following up with a three-pronged flank, buffed with fast movement and crazy amounts of poise. Probably won't be great for deep of night, but in normal runs its an absolute beatdown.>>731103748>ED Libra being the hardest bossNo way. I got him second try with two people (third asshole dropped out first day). ED Gladius is by far the toughest cunt around.
Is deep of night just an inflated HP and Damage piece of shit?
>>731110675yeah it's nice being able to use them finally
>>731085991It’s decent actually. Second best hub world after majula. I wish we could mod in nightreign hub to replace Elden ring.
>>731109824why are you saying your name? Autism? Do you think you're a pokemon?
>>731114063Yes and no. It is that, but also bosses are harder, have more aggressive movesets, start the fight with what is normally a late phase etc.
>>731114063Kinda, if you want to pretend that enemies dying much faster and doing less threatening damage doesn't make a game easier it's not the mode for youYou get some unique weapon passives and relics to play around with other than that
>>731085991Got it during the latest sale, played enough to complete all of the character's quests. Id say i got my money's worth.Wish there was a bit more of RNG manipulation cause doesnt matter what relic you use, if rewards for clearing big enemies are complete ass. Like, at least give me the ability to delete some options from the pool, tired of coming across "gradual restoration from flask" multiple times on a single run.
>>731114409>gradual restoration from flaskDon't sleep on this. It's great for the damage buff or damage negation passives that only work at full HP. The gradual restoration will keep you at full hp more often
>>731114141Weak. Trivial. Insignificant. And incapable of understanding.
>Open thread>First two posts are people saying they're cheatingkek this is why people don't take fromfaggots seriously anymore
>>731094062i look like this
>>731114063You also get three more relics and the red enemies will have weapons with a couple buffs and a debuff
>>731114662I wish people made more art of my favorite female characters in that pose
What DoN relics should I take for Ironeye? I found one that lets me do heavy poison damage on marking but should I focus on phys +4 relics instead?
>>731115010Heavy poison damage on poisoned enemies is great, it does thousands of damage and you can just slam it twice in a row with they +1 ability use (which you should have on your base relics). I would favor that over a Phys +4.
>>731113138Yeah, given how From works this game is probably in maintenance mode already and most of the team is already working in another game.Still, I wish we had everdark versions for Heolstor and the dreglord.
>>731114561Nobody asked about your family
>>731116402Get some new material, hack.
Having you doing the same map with the same enemy placement really make it too repetitive once you figure out enemy placement, you pretty much doing the same shit for half an hour for a chance of beating the boss
>>731116493you going to cry, you little bitch?I bet you areKEK
>go to castle>no one at front gate>go to basement>bell hunter
Why do the WORST players always take Less Likely to be Targeted?and before you say it yeah sure whatever on ED Libra its fineBut unless you're literally a recluse who's shitting out damage like no ones business, fuck off with that nonsense. It's so fucking annoying
>>731117182the routing and optimization and prioritizing different things on the fly is the fun part of day 1 and 2. you guys make it sound like all you do is fight wandering nobles until the fun part starts
>>731114063Yes and noRelic slots are increased by 3 and Deep Relic effects are more potent but come with debuffsAll blue/purple drops now have a chance to be "cursed" - they gain one extra random passive and one debuffThere's also a new tier between purple and gold, red-tier, which are just purple items with higher AR/spell scaling and guaranteed to be cursedSo yeah if the whole team is building correctly, then you can go ham with your multipliers and buffs and yada yadaIf you're playing with some shitter who insists on playing """"aggro tank guardian"""" or who has garbage relics you're going to fucking feel it hard in how the lack of 1/3 teammates worth of damage and stagger lengthens fights
>>731117887>some shitter who insists on playing """"aggro tank guardian""""hey... they buffed the aggro relic last patch...bird down
>>731114662 God I wish that were me. The sheer smug on that demon’s face says it all-man’s living his best after-fight life. Honestly it’s not even about the relics or buffs anymore, it’s about knowing you got absolutely styled on. Peak humiliation.
>>731085991It's pretty addicting. Fuck all ironeye players btw, they're all shitters no exceptions.
>>731120221Melee ironeyes are based. Ironeyes still plinking away with bows I can leave or take depending on if they get a poison or bleedflies bow and are marking