How is the ending of The Last of Us supposed to be morally ambiguous? Ellie was completely willing to go through whatever was necessary to make a cure, but rather than doing that the doctors ran a couple tests on her, called it a day, and decided to rip her brain out like 8 hours after she arrived at the hospital. They just come off as insane terrorists. Did anyone actually struggle with choosing to rescue Ellie? What hacky bullshit.
>>731091152>Did anyone actually struggle with choosing to rescue Ellie?No. It was the most obvious choice and it drove Cuckman up the fucking wall that gamers didn't see Joel as a bad guy for doing it like he wanted to.
Hey man we could blend her brain up and start injecting people with it. Idk tho I'm just a horse doctor.
>>731091152To add insult to injury, Cuckman later confirmed that YES, the shady weirdos WOULD succeed in making a cure from Ellie's brain matter... somehow. He somehow thought this made the ending more interesting.
>>731091359>but how?>do you want an answer or are you here to be upset about whatever I tell you?>what? No, I want an answer. How would it work?>I don't owe people liek you a fucking thing.Most confusing interview I ever saw. He went from normal to seething in a second.
Ellie is so cute
>>731091152You people must actually be aliens. How is killing one person not worth it to save everyone?
>>731091152>the doctors ran a couple tests on herThey didn't even do that.
>>731093247Because it's not 100% that a cure would be made let alone manufactured
Its fucking retarded and clearly a result of rewrites on top of rewrites. Early on Drucker clearly intended Joel to do something objectively villainous and sabotage the cure to save Ellie. Yes we logically know that them making a cure in that situation is completely ridiculous and unrealistic but thats what the plot was. Then he regretted it and decided he didn't want Joel to seem TOO bad so he added some stupid notes into the hospital showing that they couldn't have made a cure anyway so Joel was in the right. Then after that he regretted it and decided that Joel was in the wrong again for the sequel. Just incompetent pussy writing plain and simple
>>731093247The world took someone from Joel, so he took someone from the world. Shouldn't have killed Sarah.
>>731093247Not aliens -- its precisely bc we would do something illogical that makes us human.
>>731093247>You have no proof it would work>If it did, they probably can't manufacture/distribute it wide enough to be effective>you have no way to know the Fireflies won't weaponize it for their own agenda in fact>they won't even let Ellie or Joel make the choice, they won't even allow Joel to see her>they wave a gun in your face threatening to kill you if you don't fuck off from their hospitalThere is zero reason to think trusting the Fireflies and sacrificing Ellie will lead to mankind's salvation. They been constantly shown to be morally evil, unreliable, their facilities are a mess. If they had acted like capable genuine good guys the entire game, maybe it changes things. But that's not what happens.
>>731091152I enjoyed TLOU but you're telling me this one guy is not only a surgeon, he can also develop a vaccine for a FUNGAL infection? And the fact they tried to make him more likeable with the zebra shit was just too much for me.
>>731093823>>they wave a gun in your face threatening to kill you if you don't fuck off from their hospitalThis is the killer for me. Rewatch that scene in the first game. They're so fucking hostile towards Joel despite him running their contraband since the start and doing his part, I would have killed them just on that principle.
>>731091152>struggle with choosingWhat do you mean choosing? I chose to let them cut her open, the game wouldn't let me do that though so what the fuck is there to chose. Cuckman chose an ending for me, and then made an entire game about how wrong that ending was, trying to gaslight me who did not fucking choose that ending
>>731093068I wish I could find a girl like her but even if I did she would reject me.
>>731091290It's like the Verso ending or romancing Visigal. Audiences often overwhelmingly choose one path over another.
>>731091152Realistically, why wasn't ellie giving birth to 200+ kids?>she likes girlsdon't care.
>>731094020Druckman was actually telling a story about the next Louis Pasteur being tragically interrupted by human selfishness. No wonder he was upset at the audience.
>>731091152Her og face was so much better holy shit
>>731093823I hate the fireflies so much it's unreal.
>>731091152The second game is pure fan fiction. The dlc were cuckmann made her a lesbian is as well.
>>731093823>>they won't even let Ellie or Joel make the choice, they won't even allow Joel to see her>>they wave a gun in your face threatening to kill you if you don't fuck off from their hospitalThe best part, instead of paying Joel and telling him that they take care of Ellie and make sure she's safe and shit somewhere else they attack and antagonize him, sealing their own fate.
>>731096794That's true, they don't even pay him what he's due for the delivery do they? Seriously the fireflies were a bunch of retards in the first game.
considering back in 2013 clickers were one the scariest shits in fiction it would make sense that a cure for everyone would be preferable.now in 2026 chuds wants a daughterwaifu so the fireflies are retards from stopping joel from keeping ellie
>>731097075Stop being a retard.read>>731093823
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>>731095569delusional
>>731100003I know you are but what am i?
>>731093068>Ellie is so cuteYes.
>>731093068I bet she smells like firewood (oak)
the plot for this is dumb as fuck. couldnt they have put in a little effort to come up with a sciencey reason why it has to kill her? its not like cutting her head off is somehow going to produce a cure
>>731093823Exactly. And if I remember correctly, you find an audio log or diary entry which even states that some of the Fireflies wanted to kill Joel but Marlene rejected the request. There was clearly some animosity from the group and Joel could've easily been killed by a member had they had the chance or excuse to do so.
>>731101932The fireflies are legit retarded "freedom fighters" who don't have any long-term goals. you can find groups like that anywhere today.
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>>731095248Fungaloid mutation made her sterile
>>731104025And it gave her a super puffy vulva (my headcanon)
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>>731103979Is it possible to breed immunity?
>Thanks Joel, here are your weapons, we'll take care of her now>What are you gonna do with her?>That's none of your business, Joel, you had a job, and you did it>Bullshit, let me see her, let me talk to her at least>Joel, we'll do whatever it takes. You've seen it, she's the real deal. We can make a difference here.Then the murderous rampage happens.That's all that was needed to actually make it more ambiguous. But the writers smelled their own farts too much and didn't notice how fucking incompetent they made the fireflies look, how absurd the whole idea of killing her right away was, how ridiculous the thought of them successfully distributing this across the world without running into any political bullshit fucking up their plans was. They thought they had a tight script, they didn't consider what every normalfag playing the game could see. They tried to ask you the ultimate question, your daughter vs the world, but they utterly failed to convince the audience that "the world" was ever an option."Murdering a bunch of people because they're taking your daughter that isn't yours" doesn't sound as dramatic, so they didn't want to go for that, but they fucked up.
>>731091152It's pretty retarded because what exactly are they supposed to be taking out of Ellie's brain to make a cure with that:A) Can't be siphoned out while she's alive, so that her body can make more of itOr if it's not a direct cure but some sort of discovery about the fungus itself:B) Why exactly would a biopsy not achieve the same result?The game basically just cuts to black, says there was a few hour time skip, and then comes back to tell you "Yeah we need to kill her to make a cure. We totally know it will work, but there are zero options."Which is completely stupid, because the Fireflies of all factions should recognize how ridiculously valuable Ellie must be! They can't get another Ellie, and until 5 minutes ago nobody thought any human could be immune at all.Why would you want to proceed with a first time surgery on your ONLY test subject that will result in their death, GUARANTEED? Why wouldn't you just...keep researching her to hopefully find the same results over a longer period of time?It's not like the clickers are actively wiping out the remaining human population. If anything, clickers being only a problem in urban areas is one of the weakest parts of TLoU worldbuilding.Why wouldn't a city state start taking over the rural areas from the random, uncoordinated groups of 3-5 bandits and create farms to make a stable civilization? THAT shit is why TLoU is still post apocalyptic, not the fucking clickers. The way TLoU and TLoU2 are written, you don't need a cure for the clickers AT ALL to restart civilization. They wrote the threat out from their primary antagonists because they had such a boner for "humans are the real monsters", where now apparently the major hurdle for avoiding mass starvation are small survivor groups who shoot people who make campfires in the middle of nowhere.How the FUCK are there so many bandits, this many years later? What the FUCK do they eat? Where are they getting gasoline and bullets from?
>>731091310The amount of whitewashing they had to do for the doctor that literally seconds away from carving up a little girl is genuinely hilarious. They had to turn this back alley organ harvester into White Jesus who saves animals and loves everyone just to create the thinnest illusion of moral ambiguity.
>>731106271I think the best part about TLoU is that it unintentionally dunks on the idea of unrestrained utilitarianism as an ideology, because EVERYONE in the story is a philosophical utilitarianist with ZERO moral ideals and the result is a world where everyone despises one another more than the fucking zombies.This is all despite the game CONSTANTLY trying to tell you that utilitarianism is the only possible philosophy for a realistic world.
Niggas will overlook every manor of bullshit in gaming for the sake of gameplay or story but when its tlou2 they need a PhD scientific paper on how a cure could've been possible. Obviously the point of the ending was the moral dilema of save the girl or not. Assuming that they could've have made the cure anyways makes both games more retarded
>>731094962PLEASE HELP ME PLEASEEEEEE STOP IGNORING ME I NEED AN ELLIE GF SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO GET ONE!
>>731106637>could've made the cure anywaysCouldn't* I've owned myself. Point disregarded.
>>731106637The whole point was asking "Is it worth choosing an ideal over ruthless pragmatism?" which falls apart when the entire game is filled with ruthless pragmatists who can't manage to make anything work.The part that makes it stupid is that Druchman clearly thinks (and states) that Joel did the wrong thing, but that doesn't work with the setting he *actually* wrote. Druchman thinks the fireflies were right, the military were right, the bandits were right and later Abby was right. There's no ambiguity to it at all.
>>731106637But most people who criticize this part of the ending really like the game. People who hate it dropped long before the ending. This is a discussion about TLOU1, not 2.
Everyone who does not understand why Joel is justified killing the Fireflies would unironically drink lead paint if an authority figure told them it would give them superpowers.
if you think about it, the last of us and the witcher have a similar plot
>>731106983It's daughterkino and it comes from lots of game studios aping Cohen Brothers films from the 2000s like True Grit.
>>731106638>Step 1be white>step 2be /fit/>step 3be in the usa>step 4profit
>>731106637You're acting like God himself came down and said Ellie had to die to save humanity like Jesus.The person who says it in game are some fuckfaces you've never met before and who then immediately betray you. Why am I supposed to consider their word the 100% absolute truth?
>>731107058I did steps 1 through 3 already it hasn't worked
>>731091152Druckmann can't write for fucking shit, that's why all the normies that saw the tv adaptation completely hated when the two big "twists" happened.
>>731107085you forgot the secret 5th step: talk to women
>>731107085You do talk to women.... right?Try to join a place with males/females
>>731091607I bet his co-writer told him the ending made no fucking sense and that they should rewrite it. Probably explains why Druckmann eventually got rid of him after TLOU1 too.
>>731107149>>731107181How am I supposed to find young girls though I'm out of college in a couple months?
>>731107404job
>>731105502No, obvs. It's a fungaloid mutation, only traits that are passed down next gen are genetic ones.
>>731107404Gym/fight gym
>>731107058>be in the usa
>>731106045>Writers pluralIt's 100% Nextguymann being a failed scriptwriter for Hollywood and having to settle for video games.
>>731107459>genetic onesLike the ones responsible for resisting the fungus?
>>731091152the nortubel of sony
>>731107446The only "girl" at work my age is a tranny>>731107542I want a skinny bookish girl like Ellie not a gym foid with a big butt
>>731107576>Want to find American girl>not in the usawut?
>>731107658Sisters/ friends of the people you meet.
>>731107616Thats not genetic, it's like the fungus became a symbiont with Ellie and fight the infection every time she is bitten or she breathe spores. You can't pass it on next gen neither you can make a vaccine out of it.Maybe you can make some pills that helps you fight the turning if you're constantly taking them, just like people with weak gastro-intestinal bacterias need to take probiotics.
>>731107701Ellie is made up, not scanned from a real person.
>>731091152Destroying your only test subject on an all or nothing gamble seems unwise.
>>731107903>Everyone is a fat bastardno
>>731107404Genuinely nobody fucking knows anymore
>>731107843>You can't pass it on next gen neither you can make a vaccine out of it.Then what exactly do they need to do to it that kills Ellie that somehow makes it into a cure?
>>731091152>Fireflies shown time and time again through story beats and in game collectibles to be absolutely fucking retarded and causing more problems than they fix everywhere they go>Collectible imply they've tried the same schtick that they were going to do with Ellie and got nowhere>Not running tests or breeding her, instead jumping straight to killing her>They weren't making a cure, but a vaccine, which was basically next to pointless at the stage they were at>Even if by some miracle they did make a cure/vaccine, they had no way of making it en masse and would have just held a few, at which point they would have gotten ass fucked by any other faction waltzing in and slaughtering them...probably resulting in it being lost anyway since they were massive fuck upsCuckman having to go in cope mode and going "just trust me bro they would have totally made a cure and everything would have gone perfectly" was silly. Besides, those Firefly faggots broke the deal so fuck em regardless.
>>731108125You will be surprised by this irl fact but surgeons always think they can solve everything with a surgery.
>>731093426>Joel sabotages the cure to save Ellie >Character exploration about how Joel thrives in the apocalypse but never could really live a normal life and how he may have had more self serving reasons about not wanting things to go ‘back to normal’>Follow up with story beats revolving around Ellie vs Joel with a will-they-won’t-they resort to violence tease, introduce a boyfriend for Ellie. It’s key that he’s male because he should also be an allegory for when a child gets a new stepparent. Maybe Joel sees himself in him. >It ends with them parting ways after Ellie learns there never was a chance at a cure but their relationship is irreparably damaged, and she has her ‘new family’>Next entry has the Doctors coming back many years later on a vengeance mission driven by insanity to prove they can fix things with Ellie’s brain so they start hunting her down >Estranged old man Joel catches wind of the plot and sets off to stop it >Bittersweet ending with Joel finally accepting that he could never save her from the start and the older he gets, he won’t always be around to do so>Ellie sacrifices herself to save Joel, also learning that you can’t save everyone but sometimes just one is enough It was really that fucking simple.
>>731108217>breeding herThis would happen irl. ellie is just too valuable to be a lesbo, they would be creating entire cities with her and her kids.
>>731107087>using Imgur in anno domini 2026put that shit in catbox
>>731091152The last of us is the ultimate midwit filter. I dont even bother arguing about it anymore becauseits so tiring. If you dont get the story, or think its full of story ruining plotholes, you're unironically an idiot.
>>731091152The Last of Us has an ending based on conservative values, where the main character Joel refuses to sacrifice Ellie for the supposed “greater good”. Redit leftist, faggots and the degenerate subversive Jew who directed the sequel were the ones who found a big problem with this ending, since for these heartless fiends think it would be perfectly reasonable to kill 1, 10, 100 little girls if that means getting the chance to get a cure to save humanity, the hypothetical future of the “one race, the human race”. These vermin only think in abstract terms of an all-encompassing human kind and the big planet earth, so to them Joel should have allowed Ellie or any loved one die a horrible death if that means saving animals, rocks, niggers, the future, etc.
>>731108053Not everyone...mostly
>>731108217>>731108685This. Lesbians in such a scenario would likely be despised at best
>>731109558YOU GET A BABY AND YOU GET A BABY EVERYONE GETS A BABY
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>>731106271Don't forget about the dog manipulation>Abby likes dogs and plays with the sweet puppo right away and it's such a good boy. Abby is so great.>Ellie is bad because her dad killed Abby's dad and then Ellie killed that dog. Booooo>Look at that evil old man and how sad he is>DON'T YOU LOVE PLAYING AS JOEL'S MURDERER!?
sarah fags are losing ground to elliefags, jannies buckbroke them
>>731110967>picWTF
>>731096970Before ending up in the hospital they bashed joel's head with a rifle while he was performing first aid on half-drowned ellie.When he woke up at the hospital they not only declined payment for going above and beyond because the retarded firefly niggers were being found dead in a dumpster in every drop off point up until that point but also stole joel's shit and threatened him with death to fuck off from the premises.
>>731109558I legit wonder if they made Ellie a lesbian to justify why the Fireflies wouldn't just make her into a breeder. I can almost see druckman being like:>"The Fireflies are the good guys they wouldn't rape ellie to force her to have children, they wouldn't defile a lesbian like that."
>>731112693Not because she's a lesbian but he did consider them above rape, yes. You can see that in the previous draft of the dialogue between Marlene and Joel before he shoots her, she says if Ellie lives she's just gonna be raped and murdered. So, in other words, no risk of her being raped if she stays with them.Not surprising, much harder to make any player even consider the possibility of siding with them if they did it, but it does lower the stakes when Joel is willing to do anything for her but the fireflies aren't willing to do anything for their cure.
>>731112942They probably removed the explicit reference to rape to keep the game from getting an AO rating, considering Ellie is a child in 1.As for why they made her a lesbian let's not even fucking pretend the reasoning there isn't obvious.
>>731112693Ellie almost got turned into an onahole, being turned into meat to eat and some hours later raped...Joel healing her from this trauma was super cute.
>>731108970It is actually crazy to me that Druckmann played the "rape a baby to save the universe" thought experiment and came out on the side of raping the baby without any irony AND is pissed that anybody would ever have a different opinion.
Even the lesbians hated part 2
>>731091152Tlou1 was so good that I really don’t want to play part 2 with how woke shit it seems. Is it still worth a playthrough?
>>731112942>>731113160The rape line is still in the game right?
>>731113437Of course it's worth, Ellie turns into your super hot daughterfu.
>>731113604Just think of that glorious bush that's never seen a razor or trimmer in the entire length of its existence.
>>731093247Because they are selfish pedofags.Their thinking is why humanity is stagnant and won’t ever progress
>>731113881Actually Ellie is canon shaved.Dina not so much.
>>731113160Didn't the guy in the winter part try to rape Ellie or am I misremembering?
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>>731113604Are there any women who look like this that are attracted to 22 year old white virgin guys or do they only want abusechads?
>>731114134Yeah he wanted to fug ellie
>>731114174Ellies are only attracted by 40+ single men they can call "daddy".
>>731093247because all information provided to us says that it wouldn't succeed, and even if it did it would really do anything. They had no means to mass producing it and would just use it as a weapon. Then once word got out they had it they'd get fucking slaughtered by some other group and probably destroy it in the process given how fucking incompetent they were shown to be.
>>731093247Ignoring all else, they broke the fucking deal. The faggots didn't pay, robbed you, and were probably going to kill you. Fuck em.
>>731114174>22yo virginIt's over bro you're a kid but the clock is ticking leave this pit of despair
>>731113604We MUST breed ellie! for the white rac- i mean for the chance that your immunity can be passed on.
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>>731093247okay here is the setup though, outside of plot and justification>one man decides to save his adoptive daughter from being killed in a procedure that has killed several other people to no gain>an entire coalition fails to protect that asset because they dont have the mental faculties to not let an armed man into a medical settingCOMPLETELY outside of whether it was okay for him to do so, how the fuck does an entire faction let one man steal back an asset and escape. Whether the cure was made from her or not theres no way that group of chucklefucks is "saving the world" with it
He lied to her. That's more important than the specifics of the Dragonflies research.
>>731093247Even if they managed to make a cure do you really think society will rebuild itself? Every country has collapsed, TLoU takes place so far into the apocalypse the infected aren't even the main issue anymore. The world would still be shit except Joel would have lost another daughter.
Does anyone have some cute ellie pics?
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>>731116819thanks!
>>731091290FPBP
>>731093247>save everyonewith what manufacturing industry?with what raw materials for mass producing Ellie's immunity?with what supply lines and infrastructure?with what institutional coordination?with what international connections?
>>731117853BUT MUH BAD FEELINGS
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Fuck you CuckMann
>>731119424>Imagine being cuckmann
