ff7 remake/rebirth combat is the best one in the series and I'm tired pretending it's not
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It's fake action combat that hardly benefits from the game pausing to do actions. KH is unironically a better representation of ATB and a better action game series
>>731122716>UI elements are very bright and saturated>actual world looks nearly greyscale
>>731122842What else do your elf eyes see, Legolas?
>>731122716The combat is fine. The only real issue is how aggro is handled. It's the stuff outside of the combat that make Rebirth shit.
>the same actionslop garbage that has been killing the series for over a decade nowLol.
>>731122716>ff7 remake/rebirth combat is the best one in the seriesNot a very high bar
>>731123783>is how aggro is handledIn what sense? My understanding is that it will inevitably snap back to the active character after a few seconds and that this is done to encourage constant character swapping. That might not be what you mean though.
>>731122842>the one cloudy, foggy swamp area in the game is cloudy foggy and swampyno fucking way
>Series that borrows every mechanic it has ever utilized compares itself to itselfEvery time lmao. Final Fantasy is just a franchise of moviegames. You can't even roleplay. RPG without the R, P or G. Embarrassing.XVI was better.
>>731126184holy based
>>731122716It's either Rebirth or X.
>>731122842Nah, it most likely happens because dude was playing in HDR and his shitty software can't record HDR content properly.
>>731126184XVI is acceptable answer also.
>>731122842>>731126368Nah, I was wrong though. Game recorded as intended, it's just world turns grayscale when you enter action menu.
>>731126439Good lord this UI looks cancerous. What a horrendous presentation.
>>731126497You didn't even see minigames yet
>>731122716Who gives a fuck about the combat in a story-based game? It's like those people who say TLoU Part 2 is great because the third person shooting mechanics are good. Who gives a shit? TLoU Part 2 is still one of the worse videogame sequels of all time.
>>731126615Disgusting.
>ff7 remake/rebirth combat is the best one in the seriesJack's game mogs and it's not even close
>>731126637Oh, I'm afraid you don't really know how "disgusting" really looks like.
>>731126750For what purpose was this created? Who sees these horrendous hyper realistic FF models extrapolated into all this shit and goes, "Yeah that's the stuff, this is the artstyle I am going for."
>>731122716Gameplay wise, these are very, VERY good games. People saying "Redditbirth" or calling Remake "slop" are people who pretend they played it and hate the book by its cover because they can't get over the fact that games that games will never be gay ass JRPGs with active-turnbased combat anymore.
>>731122716I only made it to the Hell House before I dropped the game.
>>731122716>ff7 remake/rebirthwill be forgotten in the trash heap where it belongs while the original remains a beloved classic
>>731126819>Who sees these horrendous hyper realistic FF models extrapolated into all this shit and goes, "Yeah that's the stuff, this is the artstyle I am going for."nusqeenix managers
>>731126887ohnononono
>>731126826>games will never be JRPGs with active-turnbased combat anymoreWhat are you stupid? There are still plenty of JRPGs coming out monthly.
Is Rebirth's combat better than Remake's? I thought Remake's combat was pretty shallow. They just want you to guard attacks and spam abilities. >>731122770Yeah, I think Kingdom Hearts had a really good real-time battle system. It rewarded movement, dodging, guarding, parrying, and gave you lots of ground and air tools. It was fully fleshed out.
>>731126683Easy win as it's a Nioh combat
>>731126887Good fucking lord, stop. I was better off unaware.
>>731122716XI's was better.
At least game has some redemption qualities, like...
i'm really not liking all the side content in rebirth and there's too much of it.i think it ruins an otherwise great game.should i just put it on easy and b line the story with no weapon upgrades or materia?i basically dropped the game it coral.
>>731126750>>731126819>>731127002Oh yeah, if you think it was over — it wasn't.
>>731127002https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Z81hQF8Z-zA
>>731127016>it is I an apparition of your childhood memories>hur dur dur *spins in place*
>>731127053The number of bullets doesn't even match the amount of times they shot...
>>731127016
giwtwm
>it's the best turd in a pile of shit
>>731127053I don't even remember this. Probably because I beat Rebirth with a Yuffie nude mod.
>>731127024Our OCD ruins the game. The filler content is not mandatory. I just did the main quest and since then I'm slowly chewing through the VR combats and side quests.It went from grueling to fun in engaging with systems and combat. You do not have to force yourself to do checklists. And if you still do not want to play them, don't. Do not be like a hamster in a wheel. Do not be governed by a fucking digital "trophy" or a metaphysical "100%". I did it because I wanted to and I'm surprised at how many people online hate them and force themselves to finish all Rebirth puts on the table just because there's a checklist for them.Just leave it on Normal, although the difference from Dynamic is negligible and Hard is tied to finishing the story once.
How story-ruining are the added contents for the remakes? Hearing about multiverse stuff made me lose my motivations for trying them.
>with a Yuffie nude mod.Lucky, there wasn't such mod when I was playing it
>>731127084>lmao so baldAh so that's where all the /v/ old content creators ended up.
>>731126683Also this.But gid gud SoP ain't mainline FF. Still, both FF10's and 7R's mog old ATB combat in turn.FF12's offline MMO combat may be boring but it's functional and good.
>>731127150>Focus, M.
>lost to glorious GOTY turn based games>will never be beloved like turn based ATB games FF1-FFXDEMAKE AND DEBIRTH MASSIVE SALES FLOPS
>>731127116Yeah, at least this shitty game has some pretty gals. I'm glad Initial A got me covered.
>>731122716Shame the rest of the games are total dogshit.
>>731127219What about a Caith Sith nude mod. That red little cape covers too much.
Lightning Returns has the best Final Fantasy battle system.
>>731127268Why do Esther and Joe look better designed and have better facial scans than the entire actual playable cast?
>>731127295I hated FF13 so much I never gave its sequels a chance. But now that I've finished every mainline besides that one, it's time to check them out.
>>731127319They're all the same. You're probably comparing their cutscene models to the playable characters' overworld models.It's something devs do to save resources. Both versions of their cutscene models are equivalent.
>>731127295Was that the one where Snow turned into the bad guy or some stupid shit, and you got a time limit?Never played it. But design wise it looked better than the two abortions before it.
>>731122716It's just turd based lite for babies who can't think in real time. XVI clears.
>>731127319I think playable characters were reused from Remake while new character were made from scratch.
>>731127332I'm the anon you're replying to. I hated FF13 and never completed it. Neither touched FF13-2 because it didn't feel right playing it if I didn't like FF13, but I went out on a limb and played Lightning Returns because I saw how different it was. Without spoiling you, it's a solo Lightning game. You see people from FF13 for brief moments, but they aren't important. The combat is really fast and strategic, it's actually really fucking good.>>731127407Yep. You have plenty of time. Don't even worry about it.
Magic world changes people. Barret used to be black...
>>731122716X-2 has better combat and better girls.
WTF WERE THEY THINKING?
>>731127520It's vitiligo he developed after severe burns he suffered from blowing up mako reactors.
>>731127557Priscilla and Esther get me harder than the playable girls...
>>731127557I already jerked off to Cloud fucking her. Thanks SFM artists.
>>731127520Watch out for those pointy bits!
>>731127295Yes. And fuck SE for not bringing it back or expanding on it. i'll even dig through the archive to bring back a post i made a while back.Imagine a new game where this system is used but now you have 3 more party members you can play around with each having 3 jobs (schematas) you can switch around with. No more restrictions on how you want to play, you want a black/red/blue/white mage setup? You got it, or maybe the classic Fighter/Black mage/White mage/Thief setup. A semi-open world with smaller connected maps you can explore, npcs to talk to and solve quests, earn and unlock new jobs or find hidden ones in a dungeon or locked behind a mini-game. Each job can gain exp and be leveled up to learn new skills and abilities to equip. Imagine Bravely Default but as a full fledged, fully budgeted console JRPG game and not just a handheld side project.
>>731127557I'll never forgive SE for cutting the mouth to mouth scene and minigame.
>>731122716If it's so good why did less than 1 million people come back for Rebirth?
>>731127624link? uhh for a friend
>>731127653In a sense it suffers from a similar issue as 7Remake.It's the third (sort-of) direct sequel title for an entry that's divisive. Most people won't give it a chance.Not many gave Rebirth a second look and 7 is Square's golden goose.
>>731127557They were thinking Okinawan Supremacy
>>731122716>objectively bad combat is the best of the seriesgo home zoomie, counter your adhd some other way, the rest of us dont want to mash 12 times before doing a move to then snap the camera halfway around the world to mash on another character 12 timesbad combat, bad moment to moment gameplay, bad rpg systems underneath it where stats have very little impact and your options for materia and equipment are legitimately probably 10x less than the originalpure dogshit
>>731127717Maybe we should eat shit. Millions of flies could not be wrong.
>>731127765But millions of people didn't play Rebirth.
>>731127765If we had the capacity to digest matter in the same ways flies did, it would indeed be generally stupid not to take their advice on how to find means of sustenance.
>>731127830That's because humans don't tend to consume shit.
>>731127830Because they are right and don't eat shit.>>731127839At Iast I truly see.
>>731127295NopeIt's good, it's decent don't get me wrongBut the game still has a stagger gauge, therefore its shit and can never be the best at anythingStagger gauges are for retards, no game that has them is good. They never add anything of value to the game, they always make it worseEnemies should take full damage at all times outside of specific abilities that you can actually design for them because you've removed the dumb stagger dogshit and created design space for uniquenessDeath to all stagger gauges and every firing for every dev who tries to put them in
Fuckers shit talk FF7 Rebirth's combat but never played the game.Try doing the final VR challenge. That shit had me splitting hairs. And there's a chance Virtual Sephiroth will BTFO you instantly and then you got to repeat everything again (fuck Alexander & Odin).
I didn't play Rebirth and I have no interest in it.I actually went back and did the Yuffie campaign in Remake fairly recently and it reminded me how crappy Remake's formula is.
>>731127557This is a perfect example of how the anime acting does not translate to real-ish models. Advent Children was a mistake and Nomura should hang.
>>731128063Didn't bother me as much since I've been playing jarpigs for so long but it's indeed jarring.I know nips act like that in anime/vidya live action movies, but what about regular acting? Do they go that crazy, too? Maybe it's a regional thing.
>>731127624thanks now I have to coom
>>731128674I have no dick and I must coom
>>731128806coom, ergo sum
>>731126819I thought the original FF7 was a goofy game. Is it not?
>>731126887Whoever didn't zone out of this franchise with Advent Children deserves all the slop squeenix rams up their anus.
>>731129690Goofy shit does not work with non-goofy visuals and bad mocap.
>>731129856Emo Cloud and the three faggots from the lifestream were too much for me.And IIRC Barret got cornrows, too.
>>731129690Goofy af. But somehow fans created this illusion it a super serious deep game, maybe because they spent 30 years fixated on it. Stockholm Vidya's Syndrome took in.
>>731130082>Welcome to the world of MegaAids>Cornrows Barret>"We could not be bothered to add the moogle to Cait Sith yet again"-shit>Aerith for no fucking reason (again)>Tifa losing to some literal who>Let's kill the Turks in this offshoot media!>Remembah the wheelchair section? It's here again, but with this guy!>Somehow, Sephiroth returned...>... And instantly lost.
>>731130234He refused to be a memory then went to create Remake's timeline fuckery.
>>731130596> Also refused to be a memory( i have no idea where they will take his story in p3)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjF_V_feppI
>>731122842Going open world was the worst decision. All the nighttime indoor locations look terrific in the first game, but the second game largely takes place in outdoor broad daylight areas and yeah it really looks like ass.
>>731126360Or XIII. My god, is the XIII combat system underrated. It automated the entire turn based attack flow but instead put the emphasis on well-managed role-swapping, so all of the emphasis is now on the party setup, leveling decisions and equipment and not how fast you can figure out what attack move to use.
>>731131178Now that's what I want in my RPGs. Crippling party constrictions, impersonal samey roles for everyone and a dash of how quick can you be to just let it be over.
>>731130123There is a major difference between little lego men doing silly things and the real-ish 3d models.
>>731127557She had the cutest voice.
>>731131049probably absolutely nowhere since it's going to be an 'it was all in the mind' twist
>>731126887Palmer is in the og with the exact same animation, only difference being you fighting him in rocket town (also the mech is new).
>>731126958how about anything that isnt cheap low poly animeshit besides E33
>>731122716>Press X to win
I finally beat him. I'm currently just playing through remake, does the party combat get better with rebirth? Not being able to set the AI party behavior is kinda holding it back.
>>731126819normalfaggots
>>731140787> does the party combat get better with rebirth?Yes but not to the extent where, if you flat-out don't like it in remake, it would change your mind. It just builds upon it.>Not being able to set the AI party behavior is kinda holding it back.The idea is that you are supposed to be switching frequently (and inputting their atb commands) especially as they take less damage when they are not being controlled.
>>731127150A man of taste.
>>731135047You may be retarded.
>>731141012>The idea is that you are supposed to be switching frequentlyWhich is what I don't like about it. The AI just keeps on getting close or just flat out standing there or blocking. For once I just want to leave Barett/Aerith far away while they do range attacks. The only time that I felt that I really needed to switch back and forth was with Bahamuth.
>>731141167FF7 (PS1), you should play it sometimes. It's pretty good.
>>731122716It's good yeah
>>731141167>>731141862
It is the best combat system ever made and when you get into the zone during a fight there's no better feeling as you're hot swapping to chars or issuing commands
It's too close to RTWP for meAlso I despise the concept of stagger meters
>>731144489This.
>>731126750i got jumpscared when i saw this thing on my first playthrough
>>731131049It's still funny to me that a lot of people had psyop'd themselves into thinking Rebirth would be a major departure from the canon and Zack would be a main character
>>731129690In the original VII you never fight a talking goblin wigger and his cactuar basketball crew as part of some inane fetch quest. Goblins are just a random encounter on the world map. This is what I mean when I say that the remake is deeply embarrassed by all the weird OG designs and needs to make them "fit in" by providing some absolutely stupid and pointless narrative contrivance for why there would be a goblin wearing boxing gloves or a house that fires missiles at people. VII didn't dwell on that shit because that wasn't the point, and the weird shit didn't detract from the serious story because of it.
>>731144894nobody sane thought thiswe thought he'd be playable, and it was for a long enough time to be satisfied
>>731126750why did they rebuckle and rebutton yuffie in the rebirth?
>>731145538because why would an underage girl be dressing like a whore given the context of the game
>>731145701Because she is a whore???what kind of question is that
>>731145538Because Priscilla was declared a new tummy queen>>731127557
>>731145701anon?
>>731145796Proof?
>>731145941look at her
>>731145538Tifa and Aerith pulled her aside and gave her a talk.
>>731145990As a ninja, what's the strategic advantage of unbuttoning your shorts?
>>731146098Tactical peeking pubes to discombobulate male foes
>>731146187You win this round
I'm sorry but whacking at something 9000 times doesn't seem funAt least with classic JRPG all you had to do was spam one button to do the turn based attack
>>731127228Lightning Returns mogs FF10 and 7R combat.
>>731146449i disagree
>Flawless deep combat >Great characters >Great story >Great art direction >Great OST>Waifus >Good graphics >Lots of content >Memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends This is a 10/10 game
>>731122716It has good weight to it and the controls are responsive. It feels very good to play but I still hate the staggar bar mechanic that is plaguing all these action games because it takes away from everything else and makes it all about getting that bar to fill. At least in Sekiro when you get the bar filled its a full health bar kill but in this game its just "I hope I have enough damage to kill it in the next 10-15 seconds before the bar comes back"
>>731146848stagger is designed to stop people from one shotting bosses and it works + is engaging
>>731122716SoP and XVI have better combat by a mile and XVI's combat is watered down DMC.
>>731122716Stranger of paradise is the only good ff game
you can tell someone doesn't know what they're talking about when they call sop goodit was a baby mode nioh and it was garbage
>>731146596Lightning Returns has almost the same combat as E33 but with worst presentation.
Only have a few gripes>synergy skills let people teleport across the battle, kinda dumb>AI is super fucking passive at building ATB, ranged characters should never not be firing>only Cloud has the extra moves after dodging.His normal combo changes if you dodge first which gives you the blade beams plus aerial launcher. Why the fuck doesn't everyone get that?>Triangle move on most/all characters is really fucking lame. I think all of them need to be reworked.
>>731147798Sorry the game doesn't pause every 3 seconds so you can think, grandpa.
>>731148118retard
>>731146989I don't see how that makes any sense when the damage increase is just an arbitrary reward created for the system they are trying to push
>>731148202I don't take the opinions of someone who can't think in real time seriously.
I agree, ive grown out of turn based and this is the most fun ive had with combat in a while. They should use it for ff17. Also they should bring our wife back for part 3 or we riot
>>731148676I like both, they could try a trails sky remake strategy though where you can choose
>>731122716VII Remake is the American Oldboy of Final Fantasy VII
>>731122716>st*ggerew
>>731146848Except sometimes bosses have fixed HP thresholds for phases and your burst AND stagger is wasted because they become immune to all damage until they transition.Lame ass system.
>>731122716but you're pretending its good
I don't see the appeal. It's just atb combat but spamming x like a spaz instead of just waiting your turn.
>>731146848>I hope I have enoughIn theory, the system is built around not >hopingyou have enough damage but intentionally setting up your characters and timing the stagger to proc all your strongest attacks, combos, buff/debuff timings etc.>>731150240>osses have fixed HP thresholds for phases and your burst AND stagger is wasted because they become immune to all damage until they transition.Is what ruins that.I enjoyed it in FF13 (at least, more than most mainline FF combat systems) even if the gameplay around the combat system was shit.
>>731150480>spamming x You can say that about a lot of games where you intentionally refuse to engage with it and it's easy enough to not force a game over (most games). Each character has mechanics you can actively engage in beyond just holding the attack button that provide more damage, mitigate, play into their gimmick.
>>731127332The sequels are A LOT better but the shitty xiii cockblocks people. Wish they made a FFXIII Reimagined
>>731151514they are all good games people wrongfully shit on xiii
>>731122716why is it spelled aerith
>>731122716The best combat ever made and it'll probably never be surpassed because knowing Square FF17 will be completely new and different again. At least we can be sure it won't be pure action because we already got DMC for babies in the form of FF16, so is not gonna be that either.
>>731131380the difference being the realistic 3d models make it funnier and based. you are a no fun faggot and you lead a miserable life
>>731154232DMC for babies doubled Rebirth's sales with half the budget. You're definitely not getting Remake combat for FF17.
>>731127016>dress doesn't twirl in the slightestit's shit, chief
>>731154559>expecting advanced things like cloth physics from modern devs, especially on unreal trashheh
>>731122716>dogshit 0 contrast can't-see-what-the-fuck-is-going-on-type graphics>>731126368>dogshit red border when anyone is hurt and graphics still look like shit>>731126439>pandering to "action" game faggots and it just turns into generic movieslop combatI'm glad I didn't waste my time on this fucking demake.
>>731155174>>dogshit 0 contrast can't-see-what-the-fuck-is-going-on-type graphicsits the pause menu you dumbfag>>dogshit red border when anyone is hurt and graphics still look like shitRed border because of low HP>>pandering to "action" game faggots and it just turns into generic movieslop combatIts the best combat system ever made so get better taste or fuck off
>>731126368This looks like a fake video game you'd see in a movie
>>731155230Well, fake video game inside a movie is good description for this product
>>731145538It's because the ethics department thinks you're all a bunch of disgusting gamer freaks and SE knows you cucks will buy it anyways.
>>731155218>get better tasteYou've convinced me, shill-san. I'll go and preorder a copy right now.
>>731155230>This looks like a fake video game you'd see in a moviewhy?
>>731126439>mash x>press a to select movie>the movie is just particle and damage number spamDo tendies really?
>>731155506The persistent menu UI during an obvious cutscene looks retarded, like something you'd see on CSI
>>731154232I suspect they might try to recycle the combat again but this time no eternal remakes
>>731155651Its a phase change in-battle.
>>731155694>ITS A PHASE CHANGEits a cutscene
>>731126819>Who sees these horrendous hyper realistic FF models extrapolated into all this shit and goes, "Yeah that's the stuff, this is the artstyle I am going for."Autistic man children who unironically did the Naruto run during PE.
>>731131178Acceptable answer.
>>731155402>the ethics departmentit didn't exist in 2021?
ff7 rebirth has my favourite boss room. the asteroids, the celestial sky and neverending water floor is so beautiful
>>731131178Kill yourself holy fuckActually please go get hit by a car you tasteless faggot
>>731155936They got Tifa's tits in the first game, this game was Yuffie's turn. I wonder what will get "fixed" next time.
