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>No Towa posting.

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>>731129615
fuck off

>people keep shilling Rean as OP
I'm playing CS2 and he's unironically losing every single fight he's in. It's actually kinda annoying.

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>>731129615
Can't we just have a nice Elie thread? Why does Towa have to be so controversial.

>>731130221
OP is right tho. Titlet posting should be banned.

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>>731130221
having large fat milkers does not a character make

>>731130891
>remained a complete washing board
>Fie became a oneesan titcow
fraid to say but Towakeks lost bigly

>>731129615
quite white

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Renne deserved to be the heroine of her own arc. She's too good to be a mere haremette.

actually, if they had the balls to keep Agnés gone, she could usurp that position.

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>>731129615
Towa yes.

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imagine having a kiseki thread without towa lmao

>make a fantastic romantic storyline integrated into the very heart of your story
>everyone loves it
>make a haremshit series
>make a haremshit series
>make a love triangle series that goes nowhere
Why are they like this?

No Rean posting

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Tio doesn't need to hide behind spoiler boxes.

>>731130221
Fuck off whore.

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Laura love

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>>731129615

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>>731134598
Finally, someone posts a character of value!

>>731135057
kek saved
going to use that

>>731129632
Kys self-insert hyperfaggot

>>731129993
Rean's story is about him growing from a beginner to one of the strongest characters in the series canonically. By the end of 4 he can pretty much beat almost anyone 1v1.

>>731136682
OK I'm looking forward to that. CS2 is kinda demoralizing so far. Class VII just seem like massive jobbers. I don't think they've won a single fight except against faceless mooks.

>>731129632

Based, no one insults Rean's many wives.

>>731129993
How? He has massive crit, and better stats than every other party member you have.

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Princess brat needs correction

>>731136682
It sounds to me like you have no idea how to play the game
Aside from cheese mechanics, Rean is by far the strongest character in every CS game.

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>>731139739
Her new bodyguard will do just that.

>>731136797
He's going up against established characters who have already hit their peak, but his potential is well above them all and he just needs to get there. It's actually pretty satisfying to see it given how much time we're meant to invest into him.

>>731139739
Celine is a cute

>>731139739
God I hate this game's dialog.

>>731129993
how?
are you playing on some ultra-nightmare-mod or something?

>>731141091
Maybe he's doing some sort of challenge run? I don't remember Rean even fighting alone that much.

>>731141091
>>731142186
He's obviously talking about the story, not gameplay

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I unironically got chills...

>>731129993
CS2 is one of his strongest iterations so you're clearly doing something wrong

>>731129632
kys reanfag

>>731129632
Stay safe reanGOD

Why does no one ever talk about Van or the Crossbell guy? It's always Rean.

>>731139739
i don't remember this. why is he in the girl's bath?

>>731145006
Because most "Trails fans" aren't actually Trails fans. They're tourists who started with CS1 and only played Cold Steel.

>>731145208
>only played the best games
Based

>>731145006
Van is an awful character with shit writing behind him and Lloyd lacks the depth of Estelle, Kevin, and Rean.

>>731145006
reanfags didnt play any of the other games and only mass shilled this new one because rean is in it

I only buy the games if Rean is on the cover

>want to play the game
>get told everywhere i need too play 10+ prequels first
Okay, then i guess i won't.

>>731145760
You're not missing much anyway.

>>731129615
>>731135057
>>731139739
>>731142668
Why do protagonists from other games all look like Joshua?

>>731129615
i'm enjoying it but it feels like i'm burning through it
i need to take a break

>>731145840
Joshua was Rean 0.5. He's the prototype for the fast speedy delay spamming specialist.

>>731134118
Tell me, which entry made this franchise popular?

>>731145840
This series only really has like 6 or 7 characters and the other 500 are all just variations on those.

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>>731129632
I fucking love this image.

>>731145960
Sky

>Trails thread for a new game
>It's just Reantards posting their stale memes from 2019
Zzz

>>731139915
I think he means in terms of story, not gameplay. In CS1-3 Rean does job to basically everyone as they go "mmmmm not bad kiddo but I was holding back, later nerd" and then they fuck off until the next time you fight them 10 hours later.

>>731140612
She's best girl, but no one talks about her usually because she's not a romance option.

>>731146284
Which is retarded because Rean has multiple chosen one superpowers and is trained in the most exclusive martial arts style in the series and he still loses constantly anyway. If he's just a jobber then why the fuck do they have to give him every single snowflake power possible?

>>731145960
Ao no Kiseki

>>731129632
Trails newfag here, who is this Rean Blanco I see sometimes?

>>731142668
Rean's edgy demon powers are kino and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

>>731145960
You know which haha...

>>731146247
Sorry bro but I'm still playing Cold Steel. I doubt there's that many people who are fully caught up.

>>731146342
Do you think Cassius and Richard started out as gods from the start? We were introduced to them after their journey to that level of power while Rean is still working toward that same deal. It'd be retarded to have Rean capable of soloing McBurn and Victor still early on his journey.

>>731146420
Play the games and find out. Haha

>>731146342
his 8 memes training aside, the other 2 things he got were meant as a connection to his father, aka the big "bad" (he actually didnu nothing) of the his arc

>>731146342
>WHY IS THIS LITERAL TEENAGER NOT BEATING ALL THE STRONGEST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET
Did anyone ever tell you you're a little bit retarded growing up?

>>731146342
>why isn't the 17 year old spoilt noble soloing Enforcers brooooo
lol

>>731129615
Finished it and I was very underwhelmed. It really doesn't get all that interesting until the last hour of the game.
>Van route has some good character moments but it still feels like none of these characters have really developed since the first game. Van spends 75% of the fucking game stuck in Edith AGAIN. The route also has the most filler of them all because everything in this game is just setup for the next game. Almost none of the questions I've had since Daybreak 1 have even been addressed at all. I'm so tired of the sequelbaiting in this arc. Just give these fucking characters something to do how hard is it?
>Rean route is mostly just shonenwanking and "Haha remember Cold Steel?". Almost no substance and again it's all just sequelbait for the next game.
>Kevin route has the worst writing in the entire game and assassinates Kevins character. The picnictards are all shitty characters and drag it down to. Has the most retarded ending of any of the arcs.
>They keep slapping new superfluous combat mechanics on top instead of actually fixing the fundamental issues with the progression and character building
>Music continues Falcoms general OST quality decline
>Way too many mind numbingly dull side quests. I swear they just put no effort into any of these now.
If I wasn't already attached to this series this would be a thoroughly mediocre JRPG (and it is). This series has just grown so stale and they refuse to actually tell the story anymore. I'll keep playing them because I've come this far but this series really is just nothing special anymore.

>>731146342
Rean's special snowflake powers are a meme and don't give him anywhere close to the advantages people like to pretend they give him.
>sword style
It's just a sword style, no less impressive than shit Laura or Kurt practice so it's not like it gives him a special advantage
>ogre powers
active detriment 99% of the time
>Valimar
Him and every other cunt has a mech. He's not special in that regards either.

>>731146854
It's a Japanese sword style therefore it's the strongest. See Cassius.

>>731146851
Why Falcom is so afraid to experiment anymore? Just make new series, arpgs are popular and Astlibra was insanely popular, make something like Xanadu Next again for fuck's sake.

>>731146854
His style is implied to showcase a much higher cap once you hit Divine Blade level. But being a beginner and intermediate remains within that range. The Ogre power becomes less of a detriment as he gains experience with using it, but that makes it feel more earned as it's still something he has to master to make practical. Awakeners have an edge on all other mechs usually, but he needed to grow here as well to beat Crow and the other ones. The real cool encounter we get is when he shows off mastery of all three to wake up Mcburn in his full power.

>>731146342
>Rean knows 8L1B but he dropped out and mostly does self study instead of formal practice with an actual master
>Rean has his super mode but he can't control it properly for like 75% of his screen time making it worthless compared to other power ups
>Rean has a mech but he got Valimar roughly around the same time as mechs got rolled out en masse with no formal training, so he has to learn on the fly
Rean losing so often is justifiable. He was what 4th place at best at the start of CS1 after some combination of Laura/Emma/Fie.

>>731146851
yeah i didnt hate the game like i hated kuro 2 but man i just found it exhausting to play because it feels like so little actually happens until the end
>This series has just grown so stale and they refuse to actually tell the story anymore
idk this has always been true to a degree and people forget nowadays how much time they wasted in cold steel and how much filler there was but the series has never been as agonizing slow and uneventful as it is right now despite kais ending having the biggest story implications yet and so many of the little things that used to make the series good are just completely gone
i think the series is just not for me anymore and honestly it hasn't really been since cold steel but after putting so much time into it i just need to see where it all goes

>>731147579
Cold Steel's problem is that they had to build up to Crossbell's ending which doesnt happen until fucking Reverie.

>>731129993
Rean won't start winning fights until CS4.

This game is fucking awful man holy shit. I used to brainwash myself into thinking I still played this shit to see returning characters and how the overall story ends but the returning characters are all ruined and the overall story just gets more and more retarded.

>>731146851
>>731147579
I think where Calvard fails is that all of the games don't feel like they build on eachother. Daybreak 2 doesn't build on any of the things from Daybreak 1 and Horizon doesn't build on any of the things from Daybreak 1 or 2. Every game feels like a restart of the arc. After the 3rd one you just feel apathetic towards it all. Falcom forgot how to tell a story.

>>731129615
>Dude what if we made every boss have a stupid amount of HP, have regen and can spam a move to heal itself and gain insight?
I'm assuming it gets better once I can actually equip decent shard skills but man this is probably the roughest early game they've had in a while.

>Character discussion for a series with 1000+ characters to talk about
>90% of threads just discuss Rean or their waifu

>>731147924
well thats what happens when you pander to that audience

Emma sex

>>731129615
I've finished CS4 a few years back and now catching up with older games before diving in to Reverie and beyond, but god, the overall pessimism toward kai as a whole even before localization makes me worried about the future of Falcom, because CS4 was already a fucking mess by the end, and it seems like not much has changed since then, with Daybreak 1 being the only good game of the ones I've yet to play... It can't possibly be that bad, surely

>>731148124
Celine...

>>731147906
That shit pissed me off too. The boss has zero difficulty because it does no damage but they slap on a 40 turn condition and call it a day. Judith's S-Break removes buffs like Insight and Elaine gets a second healing skill for some reason that replenishes your Boost gauge to spam more Orders and S-breaks so using those can speed things up considerably.
Still not finished chapter 1 but I feel like they somehow made the Garten worse and the story feels incredibly choppy.

>>731148296
People said CS4 was dog shit and I ended up liking it a lot and it now sits comfortably as my 3rd favourite game in the series behind CS1 and SC so I'm looking forward to playing it after I finish Daybreak 2.

>>731148296
Bro, how have you not learned to make up your own mind yet? According to these threads every single game is the worst Trails game.

>>731148491
I liked CS4 by the end, but its ending was a major contributor to it, because a lot of the story beats in general felt like they were for nothing after all - and the game's way too fucking long, too. Good ending, though. Would probably be fine to pretend the series ended there if it all actually goes to shit after (although I've heard that both Reverie and Daybreak 1 are still pretty good, mostly because of their overall position in the Falcom story structure they've been using since Sky)

>>731146247
I think a lot of the actual discussion happened when the mtl came out nearly a year ago, it was a shockingly high quality translation so I don't think too many people waited for the official release

>>731148615
I've been on 4ch for long enough to learn to not take all these opinions at face value. However, I have also become incredibly fatigued from CS4 for most of its runtime, especially after CS3 turned out to be so good - and a lot of these complains seem like it's all the same problems seven years later. I don't know, man, I want to be optimistic, but...

>>731148626
CS4 was basically the highest highs int he series with the lowest lows so I perfectly understand it being a massively controversial game.
>(although I've heard that both Reverie and Daybreak 1 are still pretty good, mostly because of their overall position in the Falcom story structure they've been using since Sky)
I'd say so. They're way more consistent that's for sure. I will say if you're going to play Reverie be warned if you're a Lloydfag it may upset you cause Lloyd's parts are by far the worst.

>>731145006
Van is cool but his arc is still incomplete, and so too is his own character arc with it, so it's a little hard to talk about him as in-depth as Rean since Rean's all done with his character arc. Lloyd is fine but there's not much to say about him really. He has a pretty flat character arc himself since he doesn't have many major hurdles to overcome in his own personal regard. Just means he's basically a developed character out of the gate. Van is kinda more like Rean but there's still just so much we don't know about him or his powers, and frankly it's kind of odd we still know so little three games into Calvard now.

>>731145006
literally what everyone else replied to you: coldshitters are a blight on this series and brought nothing but waifufags and "ironic" weebs to the fold. it does not help that CS is riddled with the most insane accumulation of stereotypical anime tropes known to man.

some retarded coldnigger will reply to me "what about daybreak" to which i'll reply that cold steel showed falcom it was the way to go to lure retards such as them into the series.

>>731148296
Understand that when you're seeing people on 4chan shitting on every single game in the series, it's literally, unironically an attempt at gatekeeping the series from unwanted tourists. If you can't get past the surface level shitposting, then maybe this isn't the place for you.

>>731148736
I've yet to play crossbell, actually. I'm one of those "tourists" that got sold CS1-2 before getting into the rest of the series. I don't hate lloyd from what i've seen in cs3-4, but we shall see how good he's in his own arc. And hearing about how Daybreak 2 does pretty much nothing for most of its runtime made me upset way before Kai came out in japan.
>>731148648
Good point, actually, I haven't seen pretty much any discussion about Kai for the last year outside of "cliffhanger bad".

>>731148907
I'll be happy to be proven wrong, if worst comes to worst. I'm still playing all these games anyway. Hell, maybe Kai 2 will actually get announced when I've caught up with everything.

>>731132983
God I wish, but no Elaine and even Shizuna are firmly ahead in the Vanbowl.

>>731145006
I love all the seething CS haters replying to this but those faggots are never discussing Van or Lloyd either so they're just massive hypocrites. Van and Lloyd don't get discussed as much cause as much as they'd like to cope and say otherwise Rean genuinely is a more interesting character and worth discussing.

>>731148765
With Van they're trying to tell a story about someone being stuck in their past and learning how to move forward and live for themselves again but the problem is that that's not the kind of story arc you should tell with a character that is meant to be a protagonist for 4 games. I like Van and if he was the protag of a one off game like Kevin he would have been one of the best but Falcom didn't give him enough to carry a 4 game long arc. I hope they will at least close him off in a satisfying way in Kai 2 at least.

>>731149068
He's the MOST interesting character in the whole series. People can hate on the waifu bullshit all they want, but Rean himself has a lot of depth and intrigue to him.

You know playing the Sky remake with the voice acting(JP) and animations I feel like I'm finally getting why people like Estelle. This is great. I'm super glad they decided to remake Sky cause man FC fucking sucks.

>>731149315
Yeah, Sky Remake is great. Turned one of the slowest games in the series into one of the most fun.

>>731149291
CS would unironically be significantly better if it didn't spend so much time on the pseudo-harem bullshit.

>>731149258
I do like that he's definitely been softening up a bit over the course of the games. He's a lot less rigid and gloomy now than he was in Daybreak. I hope the ending of Horizon doesn't fuck him up too bad but that might honestly be the kick in the ass his character arc needs.

>>731149315
I'm glad people get into Sky more. Those are great games but god damn they play like shit. I've been struggling through 3rd for a week now and it feels like a trek through mud, even with the turbo and easy modes.

>>731149481
Van has definitely grown as a person but they just tied too much of his story relevance into all the demon lord stuff so he doesn't really get anything to do until the demon lords start being relevant. It really shouldn't have taken this long.

>>731149450
Outside of the optional bond events it really doesn't spend that much time on harem stuff. The girls don't really get any more focus than the guys do.

>>731148648
Most people wait for the official release, I would've if they hadn't fucking delayed it. The edited MTL wasn't too bad if you can stomach occasional typos, except for the NPC dialogue they left unedited which really sucked (the one guy who edited the Rean route and could not understand how possessive 's worked really pissed me off too).
That said, "most people" are still playing the game because it's 100 hours long and it's been 4 days. You won't see discussion for another week or so.

>>731149579
To be fair to Van, I don't think Daybreak 2 was ever really supposed to exist and they shat it out as a buffer for Trails fans while they worked on Ys X instead. I didn't even hate DB2 and I still think it's probably the worst thing they could have ever done for the pacing of this arc.

>>731149584
Jusis and Millium are also pretty much the most relevant class 7 members besides Rean and Crow.

Enough of this and that. What's your favorite generic NPC subplot?

>>731149886
Mint trying to wingman for her bum of an uncle.

>>731149886
In Calvard? I constantly tune into Lodi and Selma whenever I am able to. In general? Probably all of the stuff with Meiling and Roy in Crossbell.

>>731149943
Mint and Makarov aren't generic NPCs they have unique models.

>>731149886
The 2 families in Trista. I always smile at the morning kisses before the field studies. The other family falling apart then reconciling after the children talk to them was also nice.

>>731149886
Crossbell's church regulars were comfy

>>731149258
I like Van because he's really fun to be around but it's obvious that after the first game, Falcom has kept many cards up its sleeve regarding his character and that works to his disadvantage and means that, for many people, the character has become stale.
Even so, as I say, his character is still very enjoyable. People acting like his route sucks because he sucks while the other two are amazing becuase Rean and Kevin are amazing is pure shitpost when neither route is free of problems like this >>731146851 anon pointed out

>>731150128
I like his personality but I need more from a character than just cracking jokes and being a smartass. Especially after 3 games. I know they're setting up stuff for him for the next game but god we need SOMETHING in the meantime.

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>>731150128
it wasnt until reverie when i started to actually like rean so its not the first time an mc took multiple games to get good for me

I'm starting to think Trails fans worship Rean at this point.

I only played daybreak 1 and am currently playing through reverie, but is ouroboros the main baddies again?

>>731150743
Or maybe your opinion is so unreasonably negative that you take any opinion that isn't expressing outright hatred as worship. You should check your own biases before throwing out accusations of them at other people.

>>731150871
Ouroboros is always the primary bad guys. If seemingly someone else is getting up to bad things, it's usually at the whims of Ouroboros.

>>731149886
Coming back in time for the wedding in SC hit really hard for some reason. I really like the way everything is presented and animated in these games.

I remember thinkin' Lechter was the coolest guy back in Sky.

>>731150954
>If seemingly someone else is getting up to bad things, it's usually at the whims of Ouroboros.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't they have a problem with Dantes because of his actions from daybreak 1?

>>731129615
post towa

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For me, it's Towa.

>>731151341
What a fucking waste of a character he was. Had the most build up of any character in the series to where some people thought he was an anguis.
Turns out he's just a nobody.

>>731151492
>>731151495
Pottery

>>731151436
I suppose that's true, though all of that happening was a direct result of Harwood's actions early on in the first place.

>>731150913
Exact response I'd expect from a zealot. Do you have a shrine?

>no real comeback just gaslighting

not shocked

towa's fat ass

>>731151968
But where are the tits?

>>731151862
Well I'm impressed at how directly you're proving my point. People with biases always project bias onto other people. No nigger that's just you. Well I'm not mentally ill so I'm not going to bother wasting my time in a back and forth with a retard so yeah you got me I guess. Good job.

>>731151565
I don't even remember how his arc ended. Something something Black Records something the Curse something uhh Osborne

>>731152025
Concession accepted. Go back to CS1-4.

>>731152025
lol your seething bud

>>731152049
His entire arc was basically the same as Cao's. Show up, scheme, ufufufu (optional), do absolutely nothing

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>Char forma del Quadruple Vagina forma del Rufus is back
>Rean's canonical loli wife Altina is back forma del hag
Mixed feelings about this desu.

>>731152502
Hey man, it could be worse. According to Altina, Millium apparently has breasts these days.

>>731152049
Skintight bodysuits with Claire

>>731151856
>hakuleg
gay

>>731152013
Doesnt need any

>>731152663
Millium was always the worse of the two.

>>731151856
>hakuleg
straight

>>731152774
Yeah, I'm just saying Altina could have ended up not even being flat.

>>731152810
Altina would be better if she was a titcow

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He can't keep getting away with it!

>>731152939
I dunno, I almost feel like she'd look off with breasts, and I say this as someone who really likes characters like Rixia.

>>731153014
Wrong. See Fie.

Van has finally acquired his own daughterwife, so his character arc may now finally begin properly.

>>731153124
Well sure but I wouldn't really call Fie's breasts "titcow" tier. I was assuming you wanted huge breasts, but if you mean that size, I guess she'd probably look fine.

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Towa

>>731153650
nice ass

>>731153650
built for kou xanadu

I want a trails traditional fighting game where Towa is broken top tier every players will pick her instantly and won tourneys.

>>731153964
Sorry but Rean will be top 1 (Rean tier)

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>>731153964

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>>731151921
Haha...

>>731154893
Kek

>>731153152
He has a daughterwife since the first game tho. He now has 2.

I need a towa gf irl

>>731155412
Kiseki is just a long series of daughterwife maxing.

>>731155412
I guess that's fair, but Van clearly needed a daughterwife with a bit more mystique just like the rest.

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so i cant be a trails MC until i get a daughter wife?

>>731155468
get in line bro

>>731155639
Yes, unless you're a female protagonist, in which case you need a brooding brotherhusband instead.

Post more Rean
>bu-but...!

REAN


RIGHT NOW

>>731148648
>it was a shockingly high quality translation so I don't think too many people waited for the official release
Both these assumptions make the other seem more delusional.

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>>731155639
I know people here like to worship this daughterwife shit but Jolda is just another tired case of Falcom repeating things that worked in the past because they have no creative spark left. She's literally just Altina 2. Who in a way was just a worse Tio. And then you had Renne before....
That literally ever protagonist in the series has some super powerful little girl fall into their care is so tiresome. Nothing new happens.

>>731156783
Can you try sounding like less of a woman?

>>731147397
Let's be real though, power level autism among the MCs is hard to make sense of because they have all pretty much beat God-like entities or humans that are extremely powerful and the equivalent of small armies. Or literal fucking demons.

The reason people think Rean is the strongest is his DB status, and I still think this is mostly from the glaze Cassius has. In Sky, Cassius was the end-all be-all of strength. And then you learn the motherfucker nerfed himself ON PURPOSE and he is still a beast.

At the time Sky happens you see all these people talking up Cassius and the 8 Leaves, and so the status of Divine Blade carries the weight it does. Despite Erebonians being obsessed with swords, the Arseid and Vander styles do not carry the prestige the 8 Leaves does in the whole of Zemuria.

But as people point out, Rean is probably the MC that has jobbed the most. And gameplay wise, I don't think anyone is nearly as broken as Grendel Van.

And then you have shit like Lloyd beating Rean in CS2, the fact Estelle and Joshua beat Loewe, an Anguis, and later the same Anguis fused with a literal wish-granting treasure of the goddess, Lloyd beats a fucking casuality-controlling pseudo treasure...

>>731156783
>Who in a way was just a worse Tio
Altina is an infinitely better written character than Tio. Atlina is unironically a contender for the best character in the entire series.

>>731157095
I like Altina, but nah. She is Walmart Tio.

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>And then i told her haha and then head patted her

>>731157180
Nah. Tio does not have anywhere close to as good of a character arc as Altina does. Tio's is way more forced and 1 dimensional.

>>731157276
tio is built for wifing

>>731157002
>>731157095
Yeah you retards are part of the problem. Although I guess not really as the games are consistently bombing. People are sick of Falcom's shit. Only a few mindless cattle are left playing this shit celebrating the same plot beats repeating to a nauseous amount.

>>731157276
I disagree completely.
Altina's is forced as fuck. It's cute, but her character arc is Tio's, but with a romantic twist that comes out of nowhere. I have asked this before as I have not engaged with anything regarding the Northern War, but Altina at the end of 2 is just a government dog like Rean and the work some missions together, and at the start of 3 she is, unaware, she is in love with him and her character arc is learning that. Way more forced than Tio's, even if admittedly that bond event where she paints a picture of Rean is really cute.

>>731156783
>That literally ever protagonist
SAAAR

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>mfw finally finished reverie

the game was a fucking drag but that ending sequence was pretty good and Rufus getting his own daughterwife was kino

I feel all kiseki games are like this, 95% of busy work and 5% of pure undiluted kino

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True Tio and Altina chads understand and appreciate the strengths of both girls, knowing they are the best girl of their respective arcs

>>731157509
Being in love with Rean has little to do with her character arc and you saying that just proves to me you have no idea what you're talking about. Her arc is about finding her humanity and learning to lead the normal life she missed out on. Her affection for Rean is way more of a side note to that arc than Tio's is for Lloyd. You're just cherry picking dishonestly.

>>731129615
This studio is really retarded? This game has only two languages available. Even Chinese is not there. WTF?

>>731157604
Tio is the best girl in Crossbell. Altina is the best girl in Kiseki. They are not the same. There's a reason a lot of people call Altina Rean's canon wife and don't do the same for Tio. Altina by far has the best chemistry with Rean cause of how good her interactions with everyone are.

>>731157593
every time you want to play a new trails game you think about all those awesome moments but you always forget that they only make up like 1% of the series and 99% of it is a fucking slog

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>>731157509

>>731157661
That's not necessarily wrong, but to say her love for Rean is a "side note" is crazy dishonest.

>>731157604
Two flat wives...

>>731158046
Rean was always an important part of her arc but romantic feelings specifically aren't. She doesn't even really fall for Rean until CS4.

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imagine having a daughter wife that feeds you pancakes haha

>>731157057
Lloyd didn't really beat Rean though. He was about to go Ogre and wreck him and Rixia's shit in. Estelle and Joshua "beat" a Loewe that went about as hard with the fight as Archer did when he fought Shirou and had two people backing them up, one of which being potentially Kevin. The Demiurge type entities are sort of hard to quantify with regard to their actual power scale and they're evidently not that high considering the same group with Lloyd loses to Rufus clone.

>>731158046
Also Tio fell for Lloyd quite quickly and so there was always really a romantic aspect to her feelings for Lloyd but with Altina she grows into her own person BEFORE she falls for Rean which is the important part for me and why I think she's handled better in terms of writing.

>>731158145
based

>>731157480
>It was the "this series is BOMBING" fag the whole time
Surprise surprise. Try to keep your mask on for longer next time.

>>731158216
>which is the important part for me
Where's this influx of woman brained fags coming from?

>>731158591
I enjoy the romantic relationship between Rean, a man in his early 20s and Altina a girl he basically raised and in her mid teens and you think that makes me woman brained? Are you off your meds?

I think Crow and Celine have the actual best dynamic and rapport with Rean out of all of the characters. I realize neither are really romantic type partners for him, but I think that's to the benefit for both characters.

>>731158123
>>731158216
I don't agree at all. I think we see Tio fall in love with Lloyd and I would agree all of Lloyd's harem falls in love with him way too quickly when he spends the majority of his time just giving them corny speeches, but Altina to me seemed in love with Rean the moment 3 begins. I think I remember her saying that she wanted to be by his side because she was commanded too, but when confronted with the reality she has to decide what to do she still wanted to be by his side and gets very jealous of how close Millium and Rean appear in the prologue of CS3. To me it was obvious, and disappointing, that she was in love with Rean from there. She was simply unaware of that feeling or how to describe it. I don't think she would have tried to lay down her life for him at the end of 3 otherwise.

>>731158920
That's cause she's Rean's daughter. It wasn't romantic until CS4.

There is a mod with actual but not intrusive nudity, and not just teasing, actual nipples in the series at all?

>>731159115
Check ATF.

>>731159204
Explain in detail please friend

>>731159003
I don't agree, because that is a one-sided view of that relationship at best (how Rean would view her) and still my main gripe is we never see how she got to be that way. She simply was like that at the start of the 3. Don't get me wrong, we see her feelings shine through, we see her recognize them and the game fleshes out her love for him more, but the fact remains she was in love with him from the start of the game.

I personally think Towa's relationship with Rean is the most believable in how they go from friends in the first two games to potential lovers in the last 2/3. But among his students I think Juna's path to realizing she is in love with him is also very overlooked and one of the most interesting given her conflicting feelings for him.

>>731159115
Yeah but it's paid.

>>731159493
>Paying for mods
I sure hope people don't actually do this.

>>731159291
I don't agree with your dissagreement. If you actually read Altina's bond events in CS3 you'll see that they're clearly supposed to be platonic and Altina is heavily attached to Rean as the one who she feels gave her life meaning. Altina in CS3 is still not a person who can develop romantic feelings for someone cause she's at that point too emotionally immature. Falling for Rean is the perfect completion of her arc as it fully confirms she's grown to become a normal person as CS4 is the first game she really starts showing off more normal human emotion.
>I personally think Towa's relationship with Rean is the most believable in how they go from friends in the first two games to potential lovers in the last 2/3. But among his students I think Juna's path to realizing she is in love with him is also very overlooked and one of the most interesting given her conflicting feelings for him.
Now this I do agree with. Altina to me has the best chemistry with Rean of any character since they're the best at mutually supporting each other instead of it being more one sided like with other characters but Towa and Juna were close for me and always ones I liked. I still have no idea how anyone could play CS3 and think Juna was supposed to be shipped with Kurt. Shit was literally never even slightly hinted at.

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I am in pain

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>>731159643
Tell me about it.

>>731159824
>$10

>>731159719
I do not see a platonic reading of them at all. I see a doll with burgeoning feelings that is too emotionally stunted to really be able to put into words how she feels, and through the connections she develops with others, and reinforcing the one with the man she loves, she grows more and more human and finally learns what that feeling she has for Rean is.

And this is especially true with the CS arc where the reality of a girl falling in love with Rean was obvious. You only need to hear Musse speak and you know where direction of these 3 female students is headed. Or where it is rather, for at least 2 of them.

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I hope the side quests in Horizon dwindle down the further I get in it. I actually really dig the gameplay and the fun story events that happen at the end of every act, but the 4SPGs/bracer quests that you have to do during the downtime are incredibly boring.

I just finished Kevin's part 1 route and the ending was really exciting but then everything was ruined again when I went to Rean's route. I immediately realized I have to fucking equip quartz and equipment on everyone to make my own autistic/optimal setup and then do some filler quests again before I get to the cool shit that undoubtedly happens at the end of his chapter. I KNOW it's going to be cool, but I have to run around getting all the unique items and running back and forth between NPCs to finish a 4SPG request I don't give a shit about first.

I'm not trying to be like "Oh no, more game to play", but some of this shit is genuinely boring. I think the formula of doing these quests is fine, but they should probably tone it down in these crossover games with three protagonists and instead go all-in on story. I'm also just having a hard time enjoying Van's crew in general at this point.

>>731129993
He's holding back haha

>>731160159
>I'm also just having a hard time enjoying Van's crew in general at this point.
I really didn't want to see them anymore midway through Kai

>>731160115
Well I feel like we've both explained our sides and I still don't agree with your read on it nor you mine so lets just agree to disagree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nj8xR94JpQ

>>731160419
Fair enough.
At the end of the day I think it just comes to who we like more and admittedly that is Tio for me, but don't get me wrong, I still like Altina. If I could see it the way you do where I didn't think she was in love from the start I would like her arc a lot more, I will admit.

>Gaolang proposes to Rixia
No.. Lloyd bros how could we let this happen?

>>731160636
Stop shilling your video in every thread, thanks.

>>731160636
>gatekept
They are on steam, you can buy them right now.

>>731160716
>Rixia turns him down
Who cares? Gaolang is such an odd character. I genuinely wonder if he would have existed at all if not for Daybreak 2.

I really think Falcom needs to give the series a rest and just focus on pumping out the remakes for now. Work on those and let the niggas who had the entire fucking Liberl, Crossbell, and Erebonia arcs generally outlined do the same shit for the rest of the series. It's plain to see that not even remotely as much time or planning as the previous games had has gone into Calvard and beyond.

>>731161123
see, that's the problem
kondo wrote sky and i think his vision has been the only outline for the series as a whole they have had.
For crossbell they were particularly inspired it seems like, but for cs onwards i think they have been winging it, which has resulted in arcs being at least 4 games long now

>>731161123
They are taking a rest (with a weird reason) and making remakes now. It's almost two years since Kai and those two years we have Sky FC and SC remakes.

>>731161123
at least give the current arc an actual fucking ending if theyre gonna put the series on hold for years

>>731161262
Weren't they planning to finish all of Calvard in 3 games when Kuro 1 came out?

>>731161262
I feel like even CS was still more well thought out than Calvard has been though since a lot of it was still continuing off of things established earlier in the series. Calvard is kind of trying to be the beginning of the second half of the series with relatively less riding on the really early plot points since pretty much everything barring Ouroboros got wrapped up, except Calvard feels sloppy as fuck. It feels like they don't know where they should go or like they're rushing to get games out instead of taking the time to consider what they want to do.

>>731161403
Yes but like most things Kondo says he was just talking out of his ass.

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>>731161403
They are but kondom's sweet little lies you know.

>>731161467
Yeah. Man. I hoped they'd start figuring this shit out after CS, but it doesn't really seem like it. It gets worse, if anything.

>>731161368
I don't mind. We literally need a payoff with nothing but fucking payoff. It needs to be a rollercoaster with as few fucking 4SPGs as possible.

>>731161538
After CS was a mess I hoped they would learn from everything they did wrong but Calvard just showed me they didn't learn a thing. I have no hope for the future of the series anymore.

>>731161631
I still want to see how it all ends. But yeah, it does feel like the quality is going down as games go on.

>>731161457
I don't really agree. CS isn't terrible, but it dragged way longer than it had any right to, i think how they presented the civil war was disappointing and the fact reverie exists to me is indicative of that.

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All right I'm fucking sick of cast bloat. Feri, Quatre, Judith, and Bergard all could be gone and nothing would change. Feri does nothing in both story AND gameplay. Quatre is a shitty, gay mix of Tita and Tio with a pointlessly convoluted existence. Judith came out of nowhere and her family's lame. Bergard has nothing to grow off of because he's an old ass man who had his character development years ago. Bergard only exists to tell the group "Ahh, youth, shit's bangin'."

>>731161819
Wtf is "came out of nowhere" supposed to mean lmao. 95% of the characters in this series "came out of nowhere".

>>731161819
Judith is literally the best thing Calvard has though. So you're wrong.

>>731160159
Honestly, at this point, people like you should just watch what interests you on youTube and save yourselves the pain. It's really tiresome having to put up with all this bitching all the time.

>>731161123
Just make a new turn based jrpg as its own ip

>>731161794
Oh absolutely, I'm not even trying to say it didn't drag on, just that the general outline of events was still there. It was absolutely marred by abysmal pacing and padding in its own right, but we still had an inclination as to where things were going to go. Calvard feels way more meandering to me than any of Cold Steel though. Each game those far has not felt like it's building on anything from each previous game. Almost nothing from Daybreak had any impact on Daybreak 2, and the same for Daybreak 2 going into Horizon. At this rate, I'm damn near worried they're somehow going to have the next game have almost nothing to do with Horizon and it's just gonna feel like yet ANOTHER game in Calvard that's trying to build up more shit that continues to never get any real payoff.

>>731162008
People these days have more fun complaining than enjoying life

>>731162074
but if they enjoy complaining then isn't that enjoying life

>>731161819
ojisan master is a good archetype if done right

falcom didn't

>>731161819
Bergard probably didn't need to be a party member, I'll agree with that. He might have even been better off as an occasional guest but otherwise an NPC. I don't really agree with Feri because I'm certain there's an untold aspect of her character arc that will be important someday. Quatre is here as the resident guy who knows tech better than the rest of the party. And I just like having Judith around because she's hot and also she's a useful party member. But I do agree that she doesn't really do much narratively speaking.

>>731136682
>this is what cscucks unironically believe

>>731162163
Haven't played Kai as yet but I have a question tangentially related to this: has Yun Ka-Fai actually done anything on-screen? Anything at all?

>>731162440
He literally gets to actually exist as a character for the first time ever in Kai, yes.

>>731162440
He's a boss in rean route.

>>731162497
>they put a gyaru in the game
>and the super-skilled mentor actually appears and does things
This may be one of the greatest entries in the series depending on how they handled both of these.

>>731162648
The gyaru gets the treatment most localizers give gyaru characters, which is making them use every piece of slang known to man. It's a polarizing matter, for sure.

>>731162020
I don't really agree or think it is fair to compare a literally incomplete arc to a completed one. Besides, to me CS1 was just meandering: the game. The most important aspect of that game was familiarizing ourselves with Thors, Class VII, the DKs and the War of the Lions.
So a lot of the heavy lifting was done by the cast, and I feel CS1 did little to really invest me in all of them, Rean himself included. And then 2's twist renders the whole journey of 2 pointless and it isn't until 3 that we get an idea what the Society and Osborne wanted out this whole conflict. I personally think that is a more aimless than Kuro 2 and the slow start of Kai that is made more unpleasant by the mandatory 3 explorations of Edith before getting on with the story.

This last bit is subjective, but I have found the actual important lore shit in Calvard more interesting than the stuff in Cold Steel.

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Someone's ranting about the localisation. Is it really that bad? Is there ebonics in the game?

>>731162791
I wouldn't really call my objective assessment of a character saying things like >>731159798 this to be "ranting"

>>731159798
i want to kill whoever wrote this

>>731162791
Only...Vans...

>>731162740
I play using JP audio like a weeb so at the very least I'll be able to feel the vibe she puts off. I also hate l*calisers but to be fair to them (for once) it's not as easy to portray their... familiarity? in English. Being a living shitpost is probably the easiest way to do it.

>>731162791
The modern streamer character talks like a modern streamer with memes, shocking no one but some autists will still find reasons to be mad.

>>731162791
From what I've seen of all these discussions, it's never as bad as either side says. However, it does steadily get worse with each game, which is concerning.

>>731162894
If only I could use the fan translation patch on Durante's uber German work.

>>731163926
>worse with each game
>implying it wasnt bad at the very start with them inventing a brutish violence loving personality for estelle just because she says AAAAANDESTEEEEE a lot

>>731162791
falcom games have had trannylations since the dawn of time

>>731164138
"It was never this bad" would be a better way to phrase this.
>>731164141
While that's fair, it's also important to remember that both the whole localization depravity was never as bad as it is today, and also the fact that it was, in fact, better before, even with all the cheeky chest messages and all - the games had its charm, without a random "pronouns" bullshit in the middle of a new arc.

I haven't played it yet but did the Sky remake soft retcon any Cold Steel references like the Crossbell rereleases did?

>>731163871
its cringe that doesnt belong in the series and falcom should be embarrassed

>>731163871
translation should be about reporting dialogue accurately while preserving what intent is possible
localizers take the second half and go completely overboard with it
i dont give a FUCK about what your modern streamer nigger does i just want the character dialogue to not be complete fanfiction that never happened in the original game

>>731164534
this

>>731142668
The entire damn intermission is ABSOLUTE FUCKING KINO from start to finish. This is kiseki at full throttle.
Sometimes I feel like CS1-2 were written around this chapter.
>>731145006
>Van
is not talked about is because he is old. He is established, set in his ways, he has already past the drama and does not grow as a character.
>Barrierman
He was too bland. Not a terrible idea given kiseki shines with side-characters, but still.

>>731163871
Yes I will tolerate when Ulrika start saying "redditor" or "steamies" out of nowhere where reddit and steam doesn't exists in zemuria.

I want Renne to rape me

>>731163871
I just don't think the game is stronger for having one of the members of the not-illuminati faction being a streamer.
I get streaming is huge right now, and probably even moreso in Japan with all the vtuber shit but really what is the point of her besides acknowledging that streamers are insufferable to anyone who doesn't have orbiter bias?

>THE VIRGIN DAUGHTER
"waaaaaaaaah I don't want to hurt anyone anymore I'm so sad and lonely where's my brother waaaaaaaaaah I need refuge Van help meeeeeee"

>THE CHAD SON
"Yeah I like killing people. What about it, bitch?" *Shoots you*

>>731145006
rean is the self insert
the generic failure (perfect for the japanese male) who picks his shit up and suddenly gets all the girls just for existing and is super strong guys even the strongest would struggle against him everyone loves him hes so good haha
is it a wonder that the men who identify with him (a majority of the modern fanbase) wouldnt gush over him?

>>731161584
This but with a boatload of 4SPGs

>>731164914
t. Van

>>731159798
>"we let the younger staff design these parts to appeal to the new generation haha" - fucking kondom 2025
NEVER allow zoomzooms anywhere near your script EVER

>>731164914
>>731164984
I don't remember where this happened but I swear I remember a scene where Van essentially says "when something bad happens don't (do something retarded), just send a 4SPG :^)" and it lives in my head fucking rent free.

>>731164984
I sure wish I was Ban

>>731165206
you want to turn down a prime 11/10 piece of meat with grade A tits and ass?

Calvard's setting copies the real world too much
>flip phones
>laptops
>cars
>scooters
>streamers
>guns
will we have hoverboards in kai 2?

>>731165065
Haha...
It's a good advice.

>>731165261
Just having the option to turn her down is a huge improvement already ngl

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Soon Trails will have phenomena interventions and the power of order with the existence of observers and onlookers.

>>731159798
Normalfags will eat it up and say to stop taking it seriously it's just anime and you can only enjoy it ironically while laughing AT it. I hate the subhuman trash so much.

>>731166042
sounds like a (You) problem, bro

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>>731166297
Sounds more like you need to better yourself and not settle for the said bottom of the barrel normalfag standards. I know you can do it bud.

>>731166042
Sounds like an improvement over stale Rean memes

>>731165653
fair enough bro

>>731166397
people with no standards cannot be reasoned with
its like trying to convince pokemon fans
they just wont listen

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>>731129615
why not? i just beat the first chapter and started the next game

>>731166698
Most Pokemon 'fans' treat the series the same way people play shit on their phone while taking the train, they don't take it that seriously

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>>731166705
by the way, can anyone tell me if playing on hard mode makes the mech fights a pain in the ass? i wanted to throw myself out a window fighting the final boss in the first game with that rock paper scissor shit

>>731166397
anon, you do know she also uses netslang (NND one to be exact), right?
you are also playing it with the localization bud
i can live with a few jokes, you can't despite your disdain for them. If anyone is settling it you by your own admission. if you cared enough you'd quit bitching and would learn japanese

but you cucks are too fragile to have that conversation

trails of subhumans

>>731166758
kind of like the indifference described here >>731166042

>>731167019
>its another "you should learn a fucking new language instead of having standards for localizations" argument
fragile nigger cant even discuss the merits of better localizations without going "stoooop talk about something eeellseee"

>>731167749
you didn't discuss anything, you're bitching about a product you seemingly are supporting because it has slang and that hurt your feelings

so tell the world about your ideal localization ideas bro, I don't think it will change anything given how game localizations have been handled for 30 fucking years

I think level 67 is a good place to stop. You don't get much benefit for going higher

>>731165757
Implying the grandmaster isn't a higher level being grooming heroes to fight a greater evil

>>731167961
my ideal involves replacing the profession entirely
whatever they were at the start theyre nothing more than glorified wannabe "writers" now
of course the entire industry isnt made of bad apples but the good ones can just find work in proper translation or interpretation jobs (acting as if the good ones arent actually doing that already)
>what about the games
restart the industry but dont call them localizers because the word is tainted by this point
make them translators and have them change only things that ABSOLUTELY MUST be changed because the output makes zero sense
if they use nico nico slang then put the fucking nico nico slang in

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what level of mental illness is this

>>731168553
But even weebs don't fucking know that. There is no realistic way to translate any one language into another using slang.

Hence my point why you should learn Japanese, because the recent bitching from your kind will not hurt this industry. That's why it is called localization and not translation.

So your realistic options are
1) learn the language or
2) rely on MTLslop and pray with all your little heart it gets to the level of a fluent English speaker some day

>>731168845
Some underaged cumstain thinking they are fitting in under the delusuon every thread exists to shitpost and attack whatever the subject happens to be.

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imagine teasing this pit with a tip just probing her reactions and weak spots followed by an all-out attack by a full-surface saliva-drenched tongue HHHNNNNNGGGGGG

>>731168923
>the slang
you can bet the genuine weeaboos do know it
one of the issues with localization is that it takes an opportunity to look at facets of other cultures and destroys it a la jelly donuts
anyway ill take the evolution of option 2
replace localizers with AI (machine) translations and just have the output be proofread for accuracy and legibility
>bitching wont do anything
only because "people" like you refuse to join in
people need to show that they have standards or else companies will just take the cheapest option
the problem with that is that humanity as a whole is made up of retards with no standards

>>731169304
People have standards. That's why I put up with it. If anyone doesn't have standards it's you literally supporting something you hate. If I had no standards I'd take your word for it and be like sure, let me hate this thing I had no real problems with before.

Your problem is people don't share YOUR standards. Because convincing people that some slut in a game uses tiktok slang is just unimportant. If you hate it that much learn the language or find a solution. Expecting other people to fix something you can fix yourself is some bitch shit, anon.

>>731169781
you seem to be labouring under the misunderstanding that i am bitching about this one issue specifically when i am trying to talk about the decline of localization as a whole
whether people care about the tiktok slut is irrelevant because despite your insistence about your (and everyone else's) standards the only "standard" most people have is that the language is readable and the game isnt an unplayable mess which is quite literally the lowest common denominator
the fact i even have to explain that says that you are part of that group because this isnt "fixing something you can fix yourself" its the issue that the product people are paying for is below standard and yet people will buy it anyway (pokemon being the primary example even if its not a localization issue but a product issue) just look at the xseed localizations or the fire emblem games where parts of the game or its language will genuinely be cut out and nobody raises an issue so they keep doing it
but im done you can say your piece and i truly will read it but im done responding because we are clearly on opposite sides of the fence and cannot reconcile

>>731170218
Fair enough, let me just say this: the examples your camp use are always so neglible it is hard to take you seriously. I liked Xstelle and so did many other people. I don't think her character was assassinated or drastically changed because she had quips instead of "ANDESUTTE!?" several times. Playing the remake that was very obviously MTL'd made that clear to me.

I know it varies from series to series but unless it ever becomes as bad as Nintendo Treehouse localizing FE Fates, I will personally not care. And even if I did, I think I would try my luck learning the language because meager as it may be, I have an extremely rough understanding of the Japanese used in anime and games.

>>731163095
There's nothing weeaboo about that.

>>731129615
B-but I like Towa...

>>731171292
Prove it.

Remember when the other Divine Blades mattered?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Can't wait to finish Trails Remake so I can come back to Rean games.

>>731172113
I liked it better when it was Divine BLADE, not Blades.

>>731163095
Most people use the primary core talents compared to the fill in people.

>>731172113
Remember the other three S rank bracers besides Cassius? I don't remember them.

>>731172607
Cassius isn't even among them anymore , so technically we don't know any true S rank bracers do we?
>>731172392
Same, but I still liked the shock I felt when they introduced a second Divine Blade. Nowadays though the title kind of feels like it doesn't mean much.

need to suck agnes' boobs as if i were a newborn child

>>731173091
this but for rixia mao

>>731173091
same

agnes is the most wife/mother material girl in kiseki

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Guys I am at the RF Factory in Reverie Act 3. Why is Lloyd’s team so shit compared to Rean’s? I feel so weak here while meanwhile I was deleting entire Reverie floors with the Mean Rean Bean Machine.

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>google says trails remake takes 80 hours
>I'm 10 hours in and there's only two cities remaining that I haven't seen yet
There's gonna be some backtracking, isn't there.

>>731176152
do you just mash a through all of the dialogue

>>731168845
I don't think the guy in the middle was the guy doing the subhumans thing

>>731175603
Rean is the second best or top 3 characters in Reverie, has access to a better party. Lloyd has to carry his team when Rixia and Alisa aren't on it.

>>731176152
No the backtracking all happens in the sequel.

>>731176179
>mash a
Obviously he's skipping everything and only playing for the... combat?