Start playing fighting games
Sure lets-Oh wait I just got perfected.Alright, see you in 100 hours, I gotta watch 30 hours of tutorials and spend the rest of it training mode pressing buttons. I am sure my second match will go much better.
>>731151464>>731151568No thanks I like my penis
There's only one playable
Lots of fighting game threads today. I love it.
>>731151646I know right, Granblue.
>>731151568You're better off just quickly learning some basic bnbs and then losing until you start winning, occasionally hopping off to lab against specific situations. Optimizing shouldn't be a concern when you're ass. You'll just be another retard that knows optimal corner routes but gets opened up by literally anything.
>>731151464I've been playing fighting games for over 25 years. Now is the time to stop playing them. Most series, that are still around, have just become hyper aggressive dumbed down shells of their former selves.
>>731152252>Now is the time to stop playing them.Yeah cool, now, whats playan nowdays instead of fightans?
>>731151464nobody actually "plays" fighting games, it's who gets better at mashing buttons and masquerading it as thought out game structure the bestestestest
>>731152492Shmups, 4X/GrandStrat, and sometimes a bit of Deadlock or Monster Hunter with my buddies.
>>731153097Sounds fucking miserable ngl
>>731151464I refuse
>>731151464Start making good fighting games again
ok, but it will be DoA 6, is that ok?
>>731153097Blue Revolver is sickI've been replaying it a bit recently on my deckShmups are sick
>>731151464Is Tekken 8 any good?
>>731151568Getting or receiving a perfect doesn't mean shit. Just two nights ago I won a round, lost with a perfect, then one another to win the set, then won the second match.
Fighting games are fun :)
>>731151464I picked up bbcf two weeks ago with a friend and have been swapping characters every few days trying to find someone I like. Learned a bit off Hakumen, Litchi, and Nu so far, liking Nu the most. About to start playing Hazama since swinging around with chains looks fun. system mechanics are pretty good in this game but roster wise im not as fond of compared to +r.
>>731154248Anon why did you not hitcomfirm into a bnb into an oki?
>>731153169lol, I still play the occasional fighter when some friends are down for it, though we mainly stick to the anime stuff these days, namely MBAACC, BBCF, and UNI.>>731153698It is one of the more recent shmups to really grow on me, especially after the Double Action update. I've also been enjoying some of Akiragoya's games lately to a similar extent, namely Angel of Dusk.
>>731153809it's the only unplayable modern fighting game
>>731154423Yeah, I played Angel at Dusk too, that's a sick one too, haven't really went that hard with it yet but I guess I'll go back to it once I'll be tired of Blue Revolver againI've been listening to a lot of Yousuke Yasui's stuff recently so I've been playing a bit of Eschatos againThere's that Platypus remake ("reclayed" they called it) that I played a bit ago too, until I got done with it, but while it lasted it was nicePretty good stuff, we got a lot of quality games in that genre
>>731151464do people still play xrdi dont like the new games
>>731155152>tfw to much of a retard to make friends
>>731155375Im sorry to hear that. Also deleted post because apparently artist was a porn artist so i guess im retarded too.
>>731155473That art wasn't porn; you didn't need to delete itAnd in any case, who caresYou are indeed retarded
>>731154376Who you play in GG?
>>731151464Stop playing fighting games.
>>731155793johnny. i also play yuzu in uni2. cant really find a character with their kind of playstyle since bb feels like it has less neutral focus and more offense and setplay. i tried es but shes kind of boring. i like more technical characters.
I only play sf3 nowadays. I think I am decent at it but I can't get better because doing all the necessary techs on analog stick is pretty ass. maybe one day ill get a hitbox and arcade stick for myself.
>>731155945daisuke's vision...
The games I like are dying or dead, and while I can deal with having to use Discord to get matches it's not an environment I would encourage others to join into.The genre is in a bad state where Throw Looper 6 is sucking up all the oxygen in the room and new games feel tempted to try to copy slime rush and similar mechanics. If you don't like SF6 there's nothing on the horizon for you, and Capcom has proven they're never significantly changing SF6 due to Japan loving it so much.
>>731155998Hmm. Maybe you might like Izayoi, Amane, or Naoto. You mentioned Hazama and he is also very technical so you might like him too.
>>731155998>Johnnycheck out Azrael perhapsnot exactly the same game plan (wouldn't call him technical at all) but his movement might feel familiar
>>731153809No, genuinely one of the worst fighting games I've ever played. The only game I've ever played where I could be on a winning streak, much less a 20+ one, and still be getting tilted. Not even really fun with friends. There's no greater condemnation of the Tekken community than the fact that it still manages over 5k players regularly. I am not exaggerating. It's unbearably cynical game design aimed at a hypothetical audience they had absolutely zero respect for.
What went wrong with Strive?
guilty gear looks so campy its like every character is trying too hard to be cool or unique and that makes it come off as lame
>>731156976Everything.
>>731156827same thing happened to sf5 at the beginning. the game was beyond shit but people kept playing instead of just going back to usf4
>>731151568There is literally some dysgenic LoL streamer trying to play SF6 that way and eating shit right now.
>>731157051>going back to USF4I mean the online for that game was unplayable at the time so that wasn't exactly a huge shock. People could have made tournaments for the game, but USF4 didn't end on the best place to get people back into it.
>+r and xrd were fun>strive killed it>ttt2 and t7 were fun>t8 killed it>gbvs was fun>rising killed itwhy did this happen?
>>731154408Setting Ice Field up limits your opponent's options (more or less depending on the character), and some people don't even know how they're supposed to play on it.He kept doing superjump>mixmixmix, so I went for a setup to try to catch it with 2HSI could have gone for charged 6H to stall for Wings of Light, but it worked out.>>731155998>johnny>yuzuIzayoi has Mist Finer but she's also got a hoverdash like I-No (and she's a stance character)
>>731156976Very bad guilty gear game but a good game still.
>>731151568>try (anything)>fail>have to learnOh the horror! I thought when I purchased a multiplayer game I was owed a victory royale and number 1 rank. MOMMY WHERE IS MY PARTICIPATION TROPHY AIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>731157208>games that appeal to a niche are fun>games that appeal to everyone are notyou might be on to something here
>>731157051>but people kept playingNigga, people did leave. People branched out to a bunch of other fighting games. SFV being dogshit is the main reason Tekken 7 did well, even Tekken players will say that.
>>731156976>Venom is low tier>Happy Chaos has been SSS tier since launch>Game still feels the same since fucking betaJ U S T
>>731152009>Yeah, so what? You supposed to be some anime girl in this or something?
Hey, you guys wanna hear a joke?
I'll have to find the motivation to do so again. I've dropped off for over a year now.
>>731158170Melty Blood Type Lumina
The genre is washed
>>731158294I have a better one: 2XKO
>>731158294
>>731157051USFIV is crap, and unfortunately Capcom made sure that the last patch of SFV was shit too. There's no particularly good single version of SFIV either as far as combination of both system mechanics and character balance, there's just theoretically a good game in there if you put delayed wakeup into SSFIV without the intentionally busted character balance of AE and AE2012.
>>731152252>now is the time to stop playing themwhy. who gives a fuck about new games. we have CVS2 and ST on rollback. why the fuck are you wasting your time with a game you don't like unc. play the shit you do. i've been playing old man games without ever having to join a discord thanks to fightcade. >>731156482>sf6 is sucking up all the oxygen in the room it was always like that. the ps4 era was the exception rather than the rule. i remember going to tournaments with hundreds of people entering SF4 and UMVC3 while tekken and xrd didn't even get enough people to fill a top 8. SF5 dropping the ball is what let other games get popular. >>731157682>>731158587i liked SF4. but there is so much that sucks about the game. i enjoy playing it but i can't tell you a single thing it did new that was also good.
Waiting for the GODulk in Tokon.
>>731154248Strive isn't a fighting game sadly
>>731156482>those VF numbersCan't wait to see 6 end up the same way. I swear it's always the same shit with returning older series. Posers and normalfags pretend to get hype and care only to never actually stick with the game long-term or even play it at all.
>>731159908i wish i realized this sooner
>>731159919>posers and normalfags pretend to get hypepartially, but we can't deny that REVO was a garbage port, the online is SF5 tier and they removed quickplay options from FS making it a ghost town, fuck sega.
>>731158587Nice memes. USF4 shits on jive and dix
>>731158309I'm becoming more and more convinced that all fighting games are actually trash and everybody is just picking their favorite flavor of shit. People love the genre itself but only tolerate the games.
>>731160075the devs lost the plot around sfv's release. The games were dumbed down either by removing execution/options or by adding braindead mechanics.
>>731160075most fg's have a pill to swallow before you enjoy them. like "yea this game is sick when you can get over or even enjoy X." they are incredibly well made but every fg is made with one or two super dominent polarizing mechanics or strategies that if you just can't get behind. you aren't gonna have any fun.
>>731152174I think I lost the first 20 or so consecutive matches when I started Tekken. It's kind of funny to think how utterly retarded I was for quite a while. It also raises an interesting question about what kind of people (entire understandably) turn off the game for good after 20 losses, and what makes the rest of us keep playing.
>>731160075Similar to RTS, the people who are enjoying it have invested a lot of time into getting good. They can't really understand the challenge of getting into it because they're way past that point or never had to climb that hurdle in the first place. Every game has its flaws but if you're enjoying it despite that, you'll play anyway. Such is the case with all competitive games with a skill curve that takes months to climb over.
I have knocked you down.You should struggle.
>>731152252This guy gets it.After 10,000 hours, there is no point. I've earned money playing them, but your effort can be spent so much better elsewhere, even in different games. I stopped playing the genre for less than a year and I got a 6 figure job AND a wife. Still play vidya. Much happier.
>>731160075Online strive is filled with retards who only know one combo and spam it to death. Either you diffuse them by stopping their combo or their combo wrecks you. Either way the entire round is about one stupid fucking combo. But the people who actually want to play and change strategies are fun to play against. And yes, I know the difference between someone spamming something effective against me because it works. These tards who know one combo, you can tell because once you get the upper hand they play like Iron 1 when they are gold 3. Just because the only skill they developed is a combo. >>731160798I lost almost 100 when I started with GGST, it was my first fighting game. I made it to Plat 1 a while ago but dropped off since I didn't play for 2+ weeks over Christmas. I actually liked the challenge because I am tired of SBMM team games. It actually felt really refreshing to have a competitive online game where losing was entirely my fault and I was 100% in control of making it not my fault. Instead of dealing with retarded team mates.
>>731161308>I stopped playing vidya and got a job and a wife and now I'm a productive cog in the zog machineliked and subscribed for more content
>>731161313>Online strive is filled with retards who only know one combo and spam it to death.strive is not a game where you need to learn multiple combos, the combo system is insanely limiting on what you can and can't do in an actual match.
>>731151464I'm not a pedophile
>>731151464Not Strive though.That game's skill doesn't carry over to any other FG, not even other Guilty Gear games.Is it even a proper FG? Who knows???
>>731157295this faggot argument works when it's for actual life skills and not fucking videogames
>>731161558>That game's skill doesn't carry over to any other FGIsn't that good? That means it's a "unique" fighting game no? Still a dogshit GG game.
>>731161516Smash isn't a fighting game tho
>>731161746>actual life skillslike? are you going to apply this same argument to learning instruments or drawing?
>>731151464come on fightcade, i am waiting there, i will sneed periodically with time distance of multiplier of 3
>fighting game thread>no lobbies to even start itTerrible thread
>Niggershit Intercourse Stinkchild>Rectal Insertion Micro-Crackpipe
>>731161817>like?life skills you padentic disingenuous niggerfaggot retard>these two don't count btw!!!kill yourself
>>731161786Not really.Unless you hate FGs and only want to play Strive for some reason.I don't know how they managed it, but even though almost every popular anime airdash kusoge will teach the player at least some fighting game fundamentals, Strive somehow doesn't.
>>731161942What do you consider a fighting game? I'm not understanding your classification at all.
>>731151568how are you so bad anon?
>>731161793
>>731151464I LIKE COMBO VIDEOS
>>731161558I'm still shocked the game still has an active playerbase. I dropped it long ago, and I don't see what the game offers.>no ranked mode whatsoever nearly 5 years later>Happy Chaos exists>rounds last about 20 seconds and are all about starting your basic offense and winning in 2 interactions, being on defense for more than 1 second means you already lost>combo system is paradoxically limited, there is almost no reason not to just go with your basic combo that breaks the wall (from anywhere on screen lmao)>returning characters mostly gutted of their identity (Baiken, Sin, Venom, Elphelt etc etc.)>can learn an entire character in about a day because they are all so shallowDaisuke should be grateful every day that SFV shit the bed, because if it was even halfway popular this gamewould have been stillborn.
>>731162107>no ranked mode whatsoever nearly 5 years laterBetter try again next time anon... Also upcoming 2.0 expansion update.
>>731161502Nah. You need like, 5 or 6?Combo from P, K, c.s, j.h, raw WA, full punish and sometimes special starters. Also wallbreak routing, carry routing. And when to spend RC. And full meter dump combos. That's just for my favorite retard May. Harder characters have way more. Turbo-dribbler characters like Unika probably have less.
>>731162107Daisuke hates old and new GG players more than any SF and Tekken fan combined
bros come, its a hood hack of super turbo with a slightly better input reader, (shoryukens dont miss like they do in that boomer game) and other lot of fun chances
>>731162107It's fun. What more do you need?
>>731161746>le life skills muh job muh wifes son muh muh muh life skills Woah, faggot alert. Any hobby follows the same pattern. Sorry that you are retarded and want to be instantly good at or understand(anything) without putting any effort in.>"life skills"Feel free to list some that don't make you look retarded.
>>731161746How do you say you like video games but also screech at the possibility of failing and having to learn som- no wonder every new big game is some homogenized trash. I see.
>>731162262>adding a simple ranked mode 5 years laterShould I be...grateful? It's a bit late.
I gave up fighting games and leaned harder into music and I'm not going back unless its occasional fightcade mashing with bros.Why invest time learning a skill when that skill might be patched out existence or otherwise made redundant?Until fighting games stop releasing DLC and balance patching games I'm not going back. Im done with the patch era.
>>731161995From the fighting game glossary:Fundamentals:A collection of basic skills that will help you win in virtually every fighting game. These include the ability to keep a good range, play footsies, anti-air when the opponent jumps, react to moves with high startup, and condition the opponent so they panic before you. Good fundamentals are the bedrock of a solid player, and once you have enough practice, you can transfer these skills between games, even if the systems are very different.Strive pays no mind to spacing as moves have insane disjointed hitboxes and hurtboxes to small and too little recovery to properly whiff punish on reaction, you basically have to press fast pokes at random in neutral and hope that the opponent runs into them.Jumping very weak in Strive as an approach option, due to how slowed down airdashing is in the game and how strong the universal AA is, so players don't develop a strong AA game either.And pressure options in that game are so potent that players don't need to make a conscious effort to condition the defending enemy either, as most characters have strong looping pressure in which the enemy also has to guess to get out at high level play.So Strive does not teach the player proper conditioning, anti airing or spacing. And its execution is "anything goes" tier as well. It is a game designed for anyone that never played FGs before to pick up and play, believing that it is a proper fighting game as it wears the Guilty Gear skin, but don't be fooled.
>>731162481Well it boosted the playerbase healthier than ever too plus the upcoming 2.0 expansion update gain much interest for the game. You do you if you want to be grateful or not.
>>731162568You could easily argue that because airdashes are so strong in previous GG games and anti-air options so painfully weak, they're not teaching you shit about fundamentals either. Just air dash in on a motherfucker, spacing be damned.I dunno where you got your glossary definition from. But it sounds a lot like Street Fighter Player Elitism to me.
>>731161502I'm talking more like the elphets that spam or pot who does that grab hit grab thing. I've also seen Sols of all things who only know one set of moves. >>731162262Ranked loves to give me people 1500+ points higher but never give me people 1500+ points lower. Even if I go on horrendous losing streaks. I actually kinda hate it.>>731162507I noticed since I'm getting old, playing fighting and rhythm games really helps me mentally with hand eye coordination and being able to make quick reactions in a short amount of time. It's way better for your brain than playing most other games, specially "climb up the yellow painted ladder while some NPC won't shut the fuck up" genre.
>>731156827say what you will about t8 but the game is tailor made for the kind of people who play tekken online
>>731151464I already do but I'm feeling burned out. Tekken 8 sucks ass, tekken 7 is slow to match these days. I'm hired of sf6 and have 0 interest in trying other characters but all the cool looking fighting games are mostly dead now and I don't find bots that fun to play against.
>>731162568>And pressure options in that game are so potent that players don't need to make a conscious effort to condition the defending enemy either, as most characters have strong looping pressure in which the enemy also has to guess to get out at high level play.Your description really reminds me of the Leo player that won everything near Strives release (haven't watched it in awhile so he might still play). Watching those games felt like I was watching high level Mario Party or something. He just went in with Leo into backturn and the opponent was just utterly fucked 90% of the time. It wasn't any sort of conditioning or mindgames, or interesting defense or offense options. It was the most basic level 1 offense possible and it was utterly stomping people because the game was so shallow.
>>731162568>Jumping very weak in Strive as an approach optionbecause you're very susceptible to 6P-->so players don't develop a strong AA game eitheruh, retard-kun?
>>731162717>Well it boosted the playerbase healthier than ever too plus the upcoming 2.0 expansion update gain much interest for the game. You do you if you want to be grateful or not.>boosted the playerbase healthier than ever too>gain much interest for the gameI kind of figured ESLs would be the type that likes Soive.
>>731162297Unika's optimal routing is in theory a little more complex than it looks, because you want to wallsplat with 2HH so you can get enhanced Megadeth Buster, which adds more damageShe's really fucking unga tho
>>731162835People don't understand this. They think the devs are retarded for undermining fundamental tekken. But they knew exactly what they were doing. People just wanna hop online, abuse todays obviously OP DLC character, flip some fucking coins, and watch number go up or down. Tekken 8 is a masterpiece if that's what your little monkey brain wants to do.
>>731156976They sold out to trannies. Revisionists will try to say GG was always a tranny game, but it wasnt. It was just very Japanese, lady boys and all. But when Testament dropped they decided they were going to go full tranny maxxing to get good boy points on Reddit. They changed him from a humble faggot to a full on post op troon. I had 2 very consistent friends I used to play Strive with. We all dropped it when Testament dropped. Its a real shame because, despite what the +R larpers say, the game was super fucking fun, beautiful, and had an amazing sound track. It was truly my favorite game, but I'll never sell out to troons.
>>731161885>Terrible threadlike every other one? No one ever makes a lobby in these general threads. Only threads for specific games like UNI actually have people playing.
>>731161926can you name me a life skill, because the vast majority of people that dedicate their time to a hobby don't make those hobbies a "life skill" so name me a life skill
I'd like it if someone streamed lobbies while giving out tips on how to improve after you fight someone
>>731163087Maybe like 8 months ago these threads had lobbies.
>>731160075Nah old fighting games were fun as fuck. Especially before the internet when they were a more communal thing and you didn't have to relearn every patch.
>>731163150Most of /v/ fucking HATE it when you solicit advice unless they ask.They're weirdly VERY proud despite being complete shitters.
>>731163009Unika players like to trot this little fact out, along with the extremely basic dashcancel that is occasionally useful. But every other character has far more technical requirements to do combos or even basically function. The character is impressively retarded. Rivaled only by pre-fucked Sin and launch May.
>>731163073are you all dub retardsI say this as someone who dropped the game forever after Bridget.
>>731162997this tracks though, if 6Ps are too strong then people will jump less leading to people not having to actually develop anti airing skills. there was a pro player that actually complained that all the time they spent learning to anti air well in previous guilty gear games doesn't actually translate to strive because of how strong 6P is
>>731162785Agreed with getting old and games helping stay sharp. I've switched to Shmups and 2D action games myself.
>>731162997I think his point is that using 6P to antiair is so comically easy that it's not like its teaching the person to be good at anti-airing or to react fast. If someone that was good at pressing 6P (generally fast, comedy gold hitbox that insures you always win against air anything, easy to input, you are reacting to a slow jump + airdash) and that person were to play another fighting game they'd be terrible at anti-airing in the other game because the jumps will be faster, the input will be more difficult, and so on. I think both of his statements can be true, jumping is weak and the players don't really develop a good AA game.
>>731161452I still play vidya, just not this genre specifically anymore. The fun is in improvement. If you can reroute the willpower to improve in this genre, your life in every other aspect. It's so much more fun than learning how to f-shiki, or than a microwalk back and crouch block to avoid it.
>>731163053>But they knew exactly what they were doingSquandering all their goodwill, getting themselves review bombed, and tanking their playerbase?
>>731156827>buy on release but never play because I got tired of fgs >get craving for tekken>boot up 8>20 hours of fucking around and I'm in fujin, everyone up to this point just spams one combo string from launch per character, no fundamentals, can't even low punish>backdash gone, everything tracks>even in fujin I see players pull up special assist menu>2 interactions per round and its over What the fuck happened, there must be some mistake, this isn't right
>>731163217yea but I want advice (it's probably going to be something I have to use training mode)
What happened?
>>731163320I feel like you guys have never played anyone good if you think 6p is some sort of fucking stop sign. Go ahead and mash that shit against my Chipp. It will not go well for you.
>>731163554tag, roster
>>731163554I swear they were rushing to get this out the door because of Tokon.
>>731163554Oh shit it's today? How tf did I forgot this?
>>731163554capcomfags poisoning the fgc well again
>>731163554It was designed by people that love the shittiest kusoges out there trying to put every degenerate mechanic they could think of into one game and it was all balanced by a DNF Duel fan.
>>731156482>my fighting game isn't getting as many entries in evo jp as the literal most popular game in Japan (a country I don't live in)>this means the genre is dyingsounds like you're just being a massive bitch
>>731163278No matter how hard you spin it, you can't deny GG sold out to the troon audience. It was NEVER this pandering. If they released Testament and Bridget as they were in XX, no one would've cared. But they went absolutely over the top with the faggotry. The series was about to be massive and they fumbled it by becoming the quintessential transcore game.
>>731163703didn't read chatbot
>>731163760Cope harder troon
>>731156482aren't the numbers low because saudi arabia bought out evo
>>731162921I still remember the Leo player in /ggg/ getting tilted and wondering how the hell you're supposed to open people up in SF6.
>>731163320You can just empty jump/air dash and whiff punish 6P, or if the character has air stalling options then it's even riskier.It also still loses to deep jump-ins, or rare air disjoints.Also it has higher combo decay than other anti-air starters, giving it far less reward.>>731163262Yeah I'm not gonna pretend she's a super difficult character, I hate what they've made with her, she's just boringI wish she had to use 6H in her combos instead>>731163150Some beginner made a Baiken thread where they actually asked for advice the other day, just post gameplay
>>731163795sneed
I picked up +P on steam sale for $3, is it any good?
>>731163565>for all of strives entire existence, every single pro player, every single person that regularly plays the game, every single faggot content creator to have touched the game, every single commentator to have casted a match have said 6Ps are insanely strong in strive>1 random singular anon on 4chan: actually they aren't that goodanon we do not have to speak in absolutes, they 6P's do not have to be a instant stop sign move they can just be strong and centralizing, which is exactly what they are. people jump in less in strive because 6Ps universally are pretty good, are there outliers? sure but generally 6Ps are very good as a universal anti air tool, especially if you compare it to games like blazblue and older guilty gear. since anti airing is a lot easier AND people will be less prone to jumping because of said fact people don't really learn how to anti air well
>>731163554You want to know what happened? It's simple. The Cannon Brothers managed to trick Riot to buy their studio when Riot and the industry thought Esport was the greatest thing ever, the Cannons hired all their friends and they wasted 10 years of Riot's time and money doing nothing and living the highlife.Then all of Riot's spinoffs failed and esport started to fall apart so Riot went into a panic mode and tried to push out anything.Meanwhile 2XKO had gone from a SF4 clone with good netcode into a terrible tag fighter made by people who are not game designers, no, not even GAME designers, but it at least had something, Riot finally tired of them dragging their heels and seeing how massive SF6 and Strive got is now forcing the Cannon bros and co to push it out, but instead of making a good functional game they're forcing the devs to make as many fucking skins they can before firing them to recoup any money they can, despite the fact that no one is caring about 2XKO, the only ones that does are pros and youtubers wanting Riot esport money that wont come.Seriously the Season 1 trailer is just skins, only actual gameplay change is BEING ABLE TO BE IN TRAINING MODE WHILE QUEUING FOR RANKED, A STANDARD FEATURE.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrUde1RDyM4
>>731163993TRVTH NVKE
>>731163554this game feels like shit and there are better tag games
>>731163554>tag sloppa where combos last a minute>Riot GamesNope!
Why do combos have to go on for so long. This shit killed T8 for me.
>>731151464Never really played one before but I'm trying out granblue versus rising and it's pretty funI haven't played against actual humans though
>>731164148devs obsession with easy mode extenders because we have to crank up the aggression for the viewers and troglodyte rush down players as much as possible
I think anime fighter players going>nono this this retarded anime game doesn't teach fundamentals but these other retarded anime games dowith strive is the funniest shit.
>>731163554>what if we made a 2v2 tag fighting game with 11 characters? You know 3 characters will be OP, 3 will be total garbage, and the other 5 no one will care about. Everything is going to be a mirror match. >>731163993Oh fuck it's even worse, guaranteed Caitlyn spammers who never played a fighting game before spamming projectiles. >>731163703I'm fuckin pissed bridget tranny is everywhere and there's no good May stuff. Even if you search for May it's usually MayxBridget stuff.
>>731164239What anime fighter is legitimately great for fundamentals? I dont play anime fighters so legit question.
>>731164239i think not being able to gauge in a discussion in good faith is a sign or low iq
>>731164368Skullgirls
>>731164239I can't think of an anime game that does a worse job at teaching fundamentals than Strive.
>>731163673quick rundown?
>>731154376If you like Nu, try Lambda out. She's a bit more balanced instead of leaning towards pure zoning.
>>731163554It's boring and the devs clearly have no fucking idea what they're doingFor example it took them until this upcoming patch to fix Freestyle getting shorter cooldowns if you hit their assistNormally Freestyle had a 4 second cooldown to make up for the fact you could tag twice, but if you hit the assist then it would shorten it back to 2 seconds
>>731163795They made two characters only queers(and tier whores in one's case) care about into different kinds of queers while everyone else is still super straight, set up to be in or is in a straight relationship barring venom's gay ass. I really don't understand the "outrage" if you can even call it that with the closest understanding being that some minority of fags mad at fag characters having a different fag labels. If it was for some characters that actually mattered I guess it'd make sense.
I can't believe Daisuke caved in to the woke mob and made Potemkin indian
>>731164869Kys troon
I still think about Leffin vs Akainuhttps://www.youtube.com/live/xYXlak-APuA?si=rEUpn3HcjFmqtMgI&t=13272The TL;DW versionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cvMG1FFAFcFantastic squash match. Very satisfying.
>>731164480That's the thing. I don't think any anime fighter does teach them that well at all but strive being the way it is can't make it any worse at teaching them than previous GG games or any other anime fighters.
I honestly think one of the biggest reasons SF is consistently more popular than other games is just that the combos are generally fairly short and sweet and even in SF6 lots of great moves don't combo into anything and you can get respectable damage just button>special>super. They don't frontload the autism as much and a new player doesn't feel like he's at a massive disadvantage solely because he didn't go to training mode. Like how a new player in an FPS might be completely outclassed mechanically but they know their gun is still lethal like everybody else's if they play properly.So it's really weird to me how games are making combos longer and yet easier than ever as they chase casuals.
>>731163971Learn to put your ideas into words better. I've read that final run on vomit of a sentence twice and still have no clue what the fuck you're trying to say.
I like that I can call someone a retard and you guys will still have a civil conversation about it and enhance my understanding. You were pretty cool today /v/.
>>731164480Strive is mostly grounded and has strong universal mechanics and systems. How is that not good for fundamentals? Are you just confused because Strive isn't a fun game? Sure we could boot up MBAACC, fuck about in the sky having a great time but I'm not sure how well that transfers to any other fighting game.
>>731156976Aside from retarded character and story related writing, the core of the game limits a lot of the freedom you had with previous entries, like a toned down combo structure, air options/play being essentially removed, a bunch of iconic/old moves/properties taken out, characters being gutted and reworked into something else, new characters meshing much better with new mechanics, and combined with the horrible wall break, WA, and other idiotic system changes and inclusions, you are left with another modern fighting game that tramples all over technical skill and legacy.
Reminder that this is how they make new characters for 2xko and why they and the balance are asshttps://2xko.riotgames.com/en-gb/news/dev/2xko-live-balance-philosophy/
Strive was my first 2D fighter and I thought it was okay at teaching fundamentals. I didn't really have much problem picking up other games after. I did play Ky though...
>>731164368Amongst older fighting game players "fundamentals" means "how closely it plays to SF2". In classic 4chan style here it just means "good, don't ask me to elaborate".
>>731165236pretty much and SF had a massive cultural impact back in the day and it stuck, iconic characters, got shows and movies, their archetypes is what other games are based on.for SF6 world tour also did a lot to get people interested in the series even if they weren't into the idea of a 1v1 fighter
>>731165502>if you think about the most obnoxious thing you've played against in 2XKO thus far, just know that it used to be even worseThat's fucking horrifying.
>>731165502Everyone knows the game is a money laundry heaven scheme for tag millenials/boomers that would never come out if not for the new invincible and specially the other arcsys dogshit game
play street fighter 3 3rd strike for cpsiii arcade boards
>>731165481Xrd did this too btw. Xrd doesn't get enough hate for dumbing down the series; it was the beginning of the end.
>>731165502Is Hosie actually Yohosie's real name
>>731151464I'm trying, Mr Badguy. I drank the SNK cool aid and got pic against my better judgement, knowing full well i'll probably won't ever get even decent.Yeah, i know full well that SamSho is turbo dead, but little of what i played it was decently fun. Garou was a bit more complex, so i'll dick around in single player modes before attempting to go online.
>>731165710What the fuck is this CRT geometry
>>731165710Okay Gibbs.
I love this shit bros
I would like to, stuff like UNI and Melty look fun, especially Melty now I've read Tsukihime Remake. But I'm on a wired connection and changing that is enough of a pain for something I'm not that bothered about, plus I haven't spoken to any of my bros from the BlazBlue days in years. On op of that, I just doubt I'll ever find a character that will click for me as much as Nu-13 did, ever.Was fun times, but I don't see myself buying fighters anymore unless it's for the license involved and if they have semi-interesting single player content.
>>731165664it's gonna get worse because as time goes on and they shit out more characters they are gonna get overstuffed like league characters
>>731165592>SF had a massive cultural impact back in the day and it stuck, iconic characters, got shows and moviesRelated, I also think a big part of why FGs are as niche as they are is purely that they never made the games fucking work outside of Japan after arcades died. You can't tell me a game your fucking mom probably knows about just has zero mainstream appeal. The rest of the world got burned every time they tried FGs and the genre never had a chance to grow before they started dumbing it down.
>>731166108NOT on a wired connection, rather
>>731165946kill yourself sieg
It is pretty simple; stronger characters (more variety in movesets, clearer strengths and weaknesses, matchup knowledge is extremely important) is much much better than stronger systems (universal mechanics are often a shorcut or easy out, volatility inevitably becomes the MO of the game's design, characters are balanced more around the system instead of each-other leading to simpler and duller exchanges). Developers have finally pushed the guiding principles of broader appealing design past a lot of people's threshold for fun, at least for people that have been playing for over at least a decade.Strive, SF6, and Tekken 8 are just the latest efforts in reaching for a wider audience, and they've largely worked, so enjoy what little communities are still left around older fighters 'cause this is the future.
>>731166172Gibbs why did you ask me to play Third Strike and then ragequit? You always shill for it in these threads but run away when you lose.
>>731154248Playing Faust still feels like suffering. Complete and total feast or famine character that requires you to play like a crack monkey just to get crumb versions of what other characters with similar attributes get for free, all so you can play with items. Worth it though.
Tokon is the only decent looking one coming out
>>731166234post your fightcade
I love the characters, the story, and especially the music.But holy fuck I hate the game itself.>LMFAO bro you didn't block that? Well sorry now it's time for me to take off 40% of your healthbar>LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you blocked low? Now you're at 10% health>oh? you knocked me down? let me just wakeup super with my I frames :^)>gr bro!I hate it so much.
>>731156482Fighting games would be dead without SF6
LUCK BUFF
>>731166136SF6 still has such a bad matchmaking algorithm and horrendous garbazzio server backend that it may as well be a half-dead anime fighter if you live outside of central Japan, the east/west US seaboards, or the major European population centers. I actually probably have a lower average ranked match search time in GBVSR because it doesn't stop working entirely for 20 minutes on a regular basis.
>>731166358>let me just wakeup super with my I framesbro, your safejump when you see they have meter?
>>731165729>Xrd did this too btwYes, but not nearly to the same extent as Strive.If Xrd was installing a staircase to allow neophytes access to higher levels of play, then Strive is the equivalent of a space rocket.
>dmc/ng/bayonetta>but PvPDoes something like that exist? If not why would it not work? I mean, obviously with it's respective tweeks to better fit pvp.
>>731166289A grim future instead.
>>731166318Are you sure you won't just ragequit like a little bitch and punch another hole in your wall? I think you're better at crying like a faggot than playing 3S.
>>731166480>Does something like that exist? Anarchy Reigns dumbass.
>>731166480Platinum made a PvP 3D action game and while some people like it I did not.
>>731165481>you are left with another modern fighting game that tramples all over technical skillThis isn't true>and legacyThis is trueYou've had almost 5 years to adapt to it, old man. Strive is just different from the X lineage, not worse (that's probably why it doesn't have X anywhere in the name, whoa). I mean, seriously: you're STILL complaining about wall break? Uhhhhhhhhhhh, gay?????
>>731166480Anarchy Reigns was literally that. It was novel but had a lot of flaws. I think the main problem is that games like DMC/Bayo rely fairly heavily on the hitboxes involved being very large since comboing in 3D is considerably harder than 2D otherwise, and as a result stages would need to be very large, and in turn you end up with a game with a lot of running around. Which is something Anarchy Reigns probably understood and why it was a free-for-all on a larger map rather than a 1v1.
>>731166563nice dodge you 40 year old mexicango shitpost somewhere else
>>731166729Oh and I wont' be taking any replies to this post. I feel the need to pee, so I'll be doing that for at least 48 minutes.
>>731166762Get a job and stop living with your parents. Homie doesn't have a 9-5 and still can't whiff punish to save his life lmfao.
Man I'm ready for these new games to come out. I'm just not interested in playing or watching most of the current lineup.
>>731166762>>731166869hey why don't you go to a hotel and fuck already
>>731163858ok can you analyze how I could do better I'm the venom
siegutora is going to get deported by ice lmao
>>731157295it should be fun to learn and try to play, every other genre can be fun
>>731166974nta but>didn't challenge in corner after his combo ended>downback the whole time until overheadthink about why you were doing that and perhaps adjust
>>731151464If anything, this is the time to get out of fighting games. The pre-esports FGC is dead, all the oldheads are retiring and all the current batch of games are mid at best. SFV and Tekken 7 were really lead indicators of the fighting games just not being worth the effort to play (along with Soul Calibur 6 dying a slow death).I'm going to play my JRPG backlog starting with Brainlord.
>>731165729Xrd didn't really simplify the game, it toned down the power level and difficulty but is arguably more complicated than +r..and remember +r was an almost decade late final update to XX after they get the rights back from Sammy where they just threw everything at the wall with little thought and no restraint, it was actually kinda poorly received in japan at the time where they considered #Reload to be the best version on average, which is why Xrd was based on it instead of +r and brought the average power level down quite a bit.It did well in the west because we got an official release relatively quickly which was unusual, and over time people have fallen in love with it because it does have a lot of cool if retarded shit in it, but Xrd was at least in some part a return to form rather than a dumbing down. They still put a ton of effort into making the engine function very similarly, which was a huge amount of work considering the change from custom 2D engine to Unreal 3, they had to build every little quirk and important 'bug' like 0f throws and throw OS, projectiles and strikes being processed a frame apart, jump install, otg gold burst etc in manually, and made the explicit decision to keep stuff like mash out of stagger, mash to tech, no block during run skid, character specific weights and knockdowns, face up and down knockdowns etc, which all got removed in Strive.It did have some really retarded shit on launch too and still could use a real final revision and balance update but anyone that actually played the series back in the day can see the night and day design philosophy differences between XX/Xrd and Strive.
>>731151464No, I became orphaned after SFV and have been wandering around since, and recently decided to quit fighting games after playing them for so long. Modern fighting games are not designed for people that enjoy fighting games, they are designed badly on purpose to give dopamine hits and two-touch kills to ADHD people that want flashy things and big damage on screen at all times. I would argue most of the "friendslop" games are better multiplayer experiences and for pvp just pick up some whatever shooter instead, or literally anything else other than a fighting game. The mechanics put in place are always fucking retarded, and it's very much on purpose, and I'm tired of it. Japanese devs can't make a fighting game anymore and the west was always bad at it. It's genuinely a dead genre due to developer incompetency. I quit because at some point I was forcing myself to play fighting games as my default multiplayer experience despite it not being enjoyable at all and me hating the fucking games every waking second due to shitty mechanics, loading up a game felt like clocking in to work and it was just a depressing experience when it was previously something I loved. I'm not older, the games are just genuinely that fucking terrible now. Again, they're like that on purpose which makes it even worse.
>>731151464I'm not playing fighting games again until Capcom decides to give SF6 at least as much support as SF6 got. Absolute bullshit that the more hyped, more well-received, more liked, more successful game gets LESS than the flop. Unacceptable.
>>731167102I hate mashing I'd rather jump away, feels safer
>>731151464If by playing, you mean the single player offline arcade mode, then yes, I am playing fighting games.
>>731167204respectable but everyone's gotta abare once in a while
Anyone else going to frostys in two weeks? Only entered one oldhead game but some guys in my group have been playing melty AACC so i might enter that last min even though I suck ass.
>>731167134This man knows what's up. Slash and #Reload were the best vesions of Guilty Gear in my book.
>>731166108>>731167214>storyCHADs and singleplayerCHADs
>>731167064Stop ragequitting Gibbs. You're dogshit at every fg you play and get freed up by random scrubs on fightcade all day.
>>731167214Is tekken force still the best single player mode in a fighting game?
>>731160075Older fighting games (pre SFV) are pretty solid for the most part due to there being a ton of them, the experience being more centered around actual community and IRL matches rather than Internet bullshit and having no day one patches and other gay shit fuck up the balancing.There are some that are still good after SFV like SC6, but the cancer had metastasized and everything good about fighting games and the FGC died a slow death after 2016.
>>731167164as much support as SF5* got
wow it actually is the 40 year old spici knew mexicans were easily baited but lol
>>731167158You only think shooters are remotely playable out of novelty, a game like CoD is inordinately based on sword fighting your ping penis to begin with, they're full of cheaters, and BRs are like 3% multiplayer game and 95% open world walking simulator.
I am
Play +R
>>731166974>So much air play and movement instead of just constant ape like pressure and mixGod I hate Strive so much
>>731167441>doesn't deny itLel. You're free.
>>731167372More fighting games need a single player beat-em-up game mode. Guilty Gear came close with Isuka and Judgment. Still pissed that Strive has fuck all in the single player content department.
imagine being so asshurt from getting the blown the fuck out during an anime groupwatch you obsessively stalk 4chan for years
>>731167770You will never stop seething.
I have bought multiple fighting games and I suck at all of them. I’m just too retarded for them.
>>731167461>a game like CoD is inordinately based on sword fighting your ping penis to begin with, they're full of cheatersIt's funny to me how much I've seen fighting game players complain about the stupid shit people who don't play say about the genre but then you bring up another genre to a fighting game player and they sound exactly the same as the people they bitch about.
>>731167870you should be less obvious in outing yourself siegutora
>>731167889Maybe you should stick with one and try to get good at it and learn it.
>>731167957You should learn how to play fighting games.
>>731166280I wanna feel bad for Faust because he's kinda mediocre and gets hit by system mechanic nerfs on top of it, but then these fuckers hit you with scarecrow PRC into a fucking looney toons mixupHe's scarily good at footsies though, I'm glad every Faust I play is too stupid to whiff punish, exploit his back walk or crawl
I'm Platinum with Ed in SF6. It's my first fighting game and yes, I know I'm dogshit.I've read some stuff about neutral and footsies and from my understanding I have to make predictions about the opponent is gonna do to really do well in fighting games. Problem is a lot of the time it feels like it's going so fast for me I don't even have time to predict and I just kinda turn to auto pilot.This feeling of being overwhelmed is my biggest issue, which adds to the already high stress I have while playing.I'm trying to review my replays plus watch pro stuff but I'm not really sure if I'm enough from these things.
>>731168559Being able to predict usually boils down to experience, prediction, and assessment. Just take things one thing at a time.
>>731168559also buffering, the option select of neutral
who the fuck is siegutora
Granblue Versus is the only one I like and it's fucking dead
>>731168816>it's fucking deadAre you EU or Australia or something
What no season 3 announcement does to a mf.
>>731167134it's super fucking funny how much people try to glaze +r xrd came out two years later
>>731167937Look I know modern CoD supposedly has the whole "akshually bad connections are favored by lag compensation" thing going on but the whole point here is that when people die in one nanosecond on a host/client game you can't escape network asymmetry having an outsized impact, and if you don't understand that you are the one that doesn't fucking play. Increase the shooting difficulty, increase the game complexity, make it so pings are actually pretty equal across the lobby and it all goes down.If you're going to actually do the "uh uh they aren't cheating" thing quite frankly you're just retarded. I can't think of any genre that has such normalized, pervasive, blatant cheating as aimbotters.
I've given up on modern fighting games. They all suck bigly. I only play +R and BBCF at this point, but honestly, I think in recent months BBCF has become my favorite fighting game despite me putting far less time into it between the two. I just wish it was more populated. The lobby system sucks ass and I just want to get long sets. I really don't want to resort to discord, but finding people at that low-intermediate level is tough.
>>731166974>not going for Carcass pressure after the knockdownBall set is decent if you know they FD a lot but greedy and you chose a somewhat bad ball, I think. P-ball 5P is probably at least decent the majority of times.Maybe D-ball 2S, not sure if the ball is hit there. The normal hitting the ball is the goal, anyways.>Bursting Ky's 2K start combo midscreen and when Ky has no meter to do more damageAt least wait for getting put in the corner or a scary starter, you have to be pretty conservative with one of your only defensive tools.>not playing like Venom can win the full screen gameVenom definitely doesn't have to approach without ball cover. Don't feel pressured to dash in naked with 6H and instead focus on poking and stopping approaches with f.S / 2S, 6P and throw if they go in the air, and getting a ball out. P-ball 5P is the ol' reliable but K-ball neutral jump j.P or j.K can get you space or lead to an advantageous approach.>2K when Ky was in the airMisinput or panic, I assume.>too much Mad StruggleDoing it too often and especially too high up leads to it being worse in all kinds of ways. You're locking yourself in a dumb way if you do it like at around the 19s mark.>neutral recovery from the air and pressing buttons when landingGetting up, Venom mostly tries to get out of the way or holds shit.>2D when in f.S range2D is good but a commitment. 2S or f.S instead at those ranges unless you're calling them out. I think Venom can counterpoke with 6P but I can't remember.>being unsure of what to FDI think it's generally good to overuse rather than underuse it but the goal is to push the opponent far enough to make them whiff something and poke or get you space to FD jump/superjump airdash away, both of which are unfortunately at least a bit MU specific.>the SlashbackPractice more or don't do them. Consider Dead Angle instead if you need space to breathe. One anon thought the Ky c.S was an overhead but you died due to your failed Slashback.
>>731153325INTRODUCING THE BRAD SHOW!
>>731169236Make your own player rooms then.I had no trouble finding people to play when the playercount was at 190ish and steamcharts is telling me it's closer to 300 now.
>>731169236>finding people at that low-intermediate level is toughwould be great if more people like you were playing, there's not enough of you to go around. I think people around your level give up before they even begin like me. I'm guilty. I'm sorry. I should be playing.
>>731166974you unironically need to learn to air grab more, it's by far his best anti air tool
>>731168830ya
>>731166974>>731169423>Consider Dead Angle instead if you need space to breatheHe should have either fd'ed the 6k after seeing 6h and pushed out of the corner or fuzzy mashed the 6p>6h. You need to know gatling options. I can count on one hand the amount of people that have tried to challenge 6h's long startup in blockstrings. t. 1k hour Ky player.
>>731169118>if you don't understand that you are the one that doesn't fucking playIf you think ping makes shooters unplayable then you either live in the middle of nowhere or you're coping super hard.>Increase the shooting difficulty, increase the game complexityNigga, it's CoD. You're complaining THE casual shooter isn't competitive enough. It's like complaining about fighting games because of Mortal Kombat.>If you're going to actually do the "uh uh they aren't cheating" thing quite frankly you're just retardedAll I know is I very rarely feel like I run into cheaters even while playing against top 500 players. If I play games with no or lax SBMM or before SBMM kicks in then I pretty regularly get accused of cheating despite not even playing FPS that often anymore. I guess that makes me a retard for being able to beat so many 'cheaters'.
>>731169423thanks for the knowledge friend. I always want to get in on the opponent without balls or poking cuz it leaves me feel open so I rather like to hard read approaches instead.
>>731165440games with super strong universal system mechanics don't really teach you fundamentals, they teach you how to play the games systems against other people doing the same thing, under night is a good example of this. a game with extremely strong defensive systems but you cannot really translate shielding and the amount of autistic option selects you can do in that game over to other games. strive does teach fundamentals well imo, it's just not a game where you can really hone it
>>731169835RIP
I'm thinking of finally getting Strive. Maybe it is because I'm mind broken by how much I don't enjoy all the other popular fighting games, or maybe it is because Strive got a lot better since launch (I've been watching a lot of recent footage of ranked replays), but it looks way more interesting than I remembered. Is fifty dollars for the Blazing edition the cheapest it has ever been? That's all I see as far as prices on key sites. All the characters I'm interested in are DLC and seven dollars per character is going to add up way too fast to get anything, but the complete version. On an unrelated note, DaemonBride was such a heartbreaker for me. Broken port and online day one and then thirty players within a few days. I had never played it before, but immediately fell in love once they fixed the online. Everything about it clicked with me immediately, but I knew it would become a dead discord fighter. Chaos Code is another random fighting game that immediately clicked with me, but will always be dead on arrival.
>>731169934Pathetic.
>>731151464I don't have the time or motivation to gitted gutted.
>>731170073Yeah, you are.
>>731156482>Those sf6 numbers compared to the restSo this is the power of having a non garbage launch(at least compared to sfv).
>>731156482are people really boycotting evo cause these numbers are uniquely low
>>731169612yea its freakin hard. Not to mention using 7 and 9 doesn't work. I know good players air throwing me after I tech high up in the screen and wonder how the fuck they could know my trajectory>>731169850CH 6H is scary though.
>>731170026Well Strive is getting a 2.0 update this year, why not join the train now?
>>731156976absolutely retarded balance patch decisions which is an Arcsys signature. Happy Chaos has been retarded since release and Pot is stupid now. Meta just feels completely solved besides Daru receiving strength from his waifu. Maybe 2.0 can shake things up but I'm not holding my breath.
>>731169959you really should learn when and when you can't set balls, especially because venom has pretty low damage in +r do you are gonna be relying on how much chip damage he can push out. getting in without balls is going to create bad habits
>>731170137Your entire post was a delusional humble bragging larp Tyrone, go back to the 2XKO mines where you belong.>>731170206It's Evo Japan early prereg over 3 months out from the tournament, they are not low.
>>731170206It's still 4 months before it starts, this is still early bird registration iirc for EVO JP.We'll have to wait if the westerners who are actually boycotting will affect numbers for EVO Las Vegas.
>>731170283That's part of the reason why I want to start playing, or did you mean to say "why join now" and imply I should wait until then? I am wondering if they'll do a big discount when 2.0 drops. Since I never owned Strive, I definitely would like some time to get used to at least understanding how the newcomers work before everyone comes back for 2.0
>>731163554>Letting former Marvel players design your gameThe ultimate "you think you do but you don't" scenario. Also it's pro player favoritism with letting them play characters and build early and still be allowed to compete is bad sportsmanship but whatever.
>>731170462I think he was trying to motivate you by informing you the game is going to get a big update soon.
>>731166108I like French Bread fans cause they seem to be the only subsection of the fgc who hasn't drank the esports kool-aid. They know this shit will always be poverty so why maintain the charade?
>>731170486>letting leffen of all people have any say on balancing
>>731163554Took too fucking long, people lost interest.
>>731170331What is going to kill Evo eventually is becoming too goddamn expensive, Saudis do not really matter to that many people.>>731170557Even though Cygames has esports branding for it, if you watched the people playing Granblue at Cygames Cup over the weekend you would know they are not getting overly serious about that game even with money on the line.
>>731170462I was suggesting you should buy now but I think it's much better for you to wait for sale on spring sale on march. I don't know if they will have a sale during 2.0 release.Also there's still no release date for the update yet probably during EVO Japan 2026 there will be more info.
>>731170557It is a bit of a shame how both MBTL and UNI2 launched though.MBTL CAN be fixed and the first versions of most FB fighters were historically unbalanced or unsatisfying but given Nasu's situation with Tsukihime Remake, it'll just take a fucking long time before FB is allowed to make those changes.UNI2 launched poorly thanks to garbage PC ports AND in the same week as Tekken because Arcsys are retarded publishers. 2/2 on terrible decision making there.
>>731168559If you're trying to learn something but keep auto piloting then you just gotta keep telling yourself you'll do the thing and stop focusing on winning. If you suck at anti-airing then you gotta tell yourself you're gonna get that motherfucker when he jumps and keep saying it until you do even if you drop in rank. Eventually you won't need to say it and it'll actually become a part of your auto-pilot and you'll get an even better rank. That's a big part of why pros can react so much faster than you. They've already trained their response and that lets them focus more on other things.For what it's worth, predicting also isn't really like constant hard reads. It's more you made a dude block a couple fireballs and have been keeping his ass out so he's probably getting annoyed or thinks you're going to keep doing it so you should wait a second to shut down his ungabunga approach. It gets more advanced as you and your opponent get better and change it up more and faster but that largely comes with experience. Don't over complicate it or think too hard about it. A bit of gut instinct is good.
>>731170713>is becoming too goddamn expensiveThere's undeniably more costs to have good set-ups, streaming without lag, and space to accommodate growing entrant numbers but I think the real problem is that fighting game tournaments are basically becoming conventions with huge ass arcade machines being brought in, cosplay photo shoots, and all that other shit that isn't related to fucking playing the games.
>>731170876>UNI2 launched poorly thanks to garbage PC ports AND in the same week as Tekken because Arcsys are retarded publishers. 2/2 on terrible decision making there.I'm still baffled on this two years later. A DAY BEFORE TEKKEN 8 BRO.
play 3rd strike
>>731170320>Your entire post was a delusional humble bragging larpAnd yours was delusional shitter cope. We're made for each other.>TyroneMan, you really must only know CoD if you see someone is big into shooters and call them black.
>>731170959>and all that other shit that isn't related to fucking playing the gamesthere should be a pane or two after this where the dudebros and stacies turn it into some kind of event full of attention whores and people who don't even like the game.
>>731171039Nah I'm just a negro mental illness expert from playing fighting games too long, I told you to play a game for apes for a reason.
>>731171069Frosty Faustings used to be like 60 bucks to compete.It's like 110 bucks to SPECTATE nowYou want to play some casuals? Cough up that dough.
>>731171030I don't know how to play like that though
>>731170257Trying to practice throw techs in +R is somewhat of a fool's errand, because of 0f throws and how small the tech window is. Shit's practically unreactable in a real situation. You might go for them every now and then, but it's more often than not to try throwing them before they throw you.
>>731169347>people bitching about losing the round in a couple of interactions when this and ST have existed for years>also the long ass combos GG and other anime fighters were always infamous forI have my own gripes of modern games, but the outrage is selective. Classic "old good new bad" mentaility
>>731171006And even if the potential overlap between playerbases weren't going to be huge, the PC port was buggy as shit for 3 weeks because they got the guys who handled Arcana Heart 3 and Chaos Code's PC port.Which is a fucking mystery because last I checked UNI's PC ports were handled by that chucklefuck Shini who also ported games terribly but that was 7 years ago and MBTL's PC port was handled by Tamsoft and Lasengle. It wasn't perfect but surely it was better than Cyclone Zero.If I were a conspiracy theorist I would have said Arcsys just threw UNI2 to die under the conditions it was released in.
>>731168525>but then these fuckers hit you with scarecrow PRC into a fucking looney toons mixupThe thing is, Faust is just so low damage that, unless you're in the corner" any ungodly mix still doesn't result in much unless he has yet another 50% Tension to spend or you actively press a button and give him the counter-hit. It's all about pressing the advantage instead, which Faust does well, but you know, just about every other character can press advantage AND get some sizeable damage in.Like he can be nasty, but Faust is more like he's great at consistently pushing the boulder up the hill. It's just that, since it's boulder pushing, each step is a bit smaller than the others just running up it, and god help you if that boulder gets away from you.
>>731171314I want to practice doing it cuz it looks cool
>>731169423Also want to say that I think you should've gone for just a forward jump j.K into the airdash high-low mix, you were too close for or too quick with dashjump j.S and if I'm not wrong you can't airdash backwards after crossing them in this game meaning you generally want to stay on the same side anyways if you were going for that.I think I'm forgetting something but hope it helped. Keep at it, man.>>731169959You get a feel for how to poke and when if you throw them out and it also affects how the opponents play, possibly making them act more predictably.>>731169850Took a look at Dustloop and what you're saying sounds about right.
>>731171521Learn to slashback Potemkin's heat knuckle for memes, then
>>731171146Who the fuck would spend $110 to spectate fighting games at a hotel ballroom lmao.
>>731168559Another way to look at it is risk/reward, you can't always predict correctly, but you can often do things that have the best risk/reward in neutralDoing nothing has almost no risk, and you're going to be able to look for jumps/DI/Drive Rush/neutral skips. You are "predicting" they're going to use one of these. The worst that can happen is they take up space, or make you block a normal into a drive rush cancelDoing a raw Drive Impact in neutral is high risk, you're predicting that they're going to commit to a non-cancellable poke/specialIf you're attentive to your opponent, you can make a map of what they like to do, and this lets you weight your risk/reward against themTheoretical example, your opponent throws a first fireballWas it a fast version so they can snipe you, or slow so they can move?Did they throw another one immediately after?If they just mindlessly throw fast fireballs, then jumping is free and you get a big punish. Some people will stop doing that and adapt, lots of people will keep auto-pilotingThis vid is an in-match example, after the scramble, both of us back off and Mai throws a fan. I get into stance on reaction, which lets me low profile through it. She jumps, I react too late but luckily my followup trades.After the combo I get from a shimmy, I try to set up a spacing trap. They don't press, and they don't whiff punish eitherThis tells me they're not focused on any of this, and not really looking at what I'm doing, and instead they're going to use their health advantage to try to play lame, or force stuff with jumps/drive rushI create even more space so they feel comfortable throwing a fan, and this time I get into stance on predictionThere's no risk involved for me, and when I see the fan, my risky anti-projectile move is actually guarenteedEverything you do will cause a reaction from your opponent, even doing nothing after a move is a reaction that you could exploit later in the match
>>731171593Spectator passes are basically for anyone not competing. Which, surprise, is a decent number of people. People who are there purely for the VIBES
>>731171521Interesting.
>>731171328so why are you willingly ignoring the fact that this is done on akuma the character with the lowest hp and stun in the game against urien a character that does very solid damage. this isn't even 1 combo, it's 2 combos with a stun. the problem with modern games is that this is a universal aspect of the games, not something that is very much match up dependent. but keep being a faggot retard i guess.
>>731171328the difference is that shit is actually hard to do in older games there's a difference between getting TOD's by one autist who's played for 20 years with arcane game knowledge and multiple 1 frame links vs every random shitter just doing a developer intended BnB
>>731171647For $110 I could be about to win $25k in 2xkuso and still tell all my family, friends, and secret gay lovers to stay home. That's an insanely shit value compared to things where the experience of being there in person is not just having to peer over some smelly fat weirdos shoulder to see.
>>731171114>negro mental illness expertI'm calling to verify your diploma right now after that leap.>I told you to play a game for apes for a reasonHonestly, being told to play 2XKO was a bigger insult than being called Tyrone. Low blow.
>>731151464when the FGC gets over their grappler-phobia maybe I will, but until then I refuse to play a genre where my favourite playstyle is not allowed to be viable because >wahhh you did 1/3 of my health in one grab, >how is my 50% damage wall carry carry combo supposed to beat that?! >;(
>>731171820Grow a third brain cell instead.
>>731171663>hitgrab>anji moves back as normal>faust buffered(?) grab and hitgrab at the same time(?)>does not play whiff animation because it technically hit(?) somethingidk trying to make sense of this
>>731171820potemkin is literally a top 3 character in strive right now and now you can see why a grappler being top tier is fucking atrocious
>>731171820>but until then I refuse to play a genreGate successfully kept.
>>731151464case in point 300+ comments and mine is the first to even mention grapplers
>>731171663>>731171879Faust's command grab is not a grab, but rather a proximity based unblockable. It checks on startup if opponent is in range and can be hit by it, and if yes, it starts the animation, and puts opponent into a state where they'll get hit by it. However, that last part can fail, leading to Faust spinning his scalpel around but not necessarily hitting the opponent.In that clip, Anji let go of blocking and hence got whacked by the attack by the end of it.
What is it about grapplers that draws in so many people who love to play the victim?
>>731171879>>731171983And the reason Anji was invincible is because Anji threw with HS at the same frame the 214HS was entered within throw range, so the game counts it as a throw tech, which gives Anji some invincibility
>>731171931wow, one example, and if you hate grapplers so much then why do people keep putting them in games? so we can be the whipping boys of every rushdown and zoner? No thanks, i'm not here to entertain you, you entertain men
>>731169236Low to intermediate is a very wide range unfortunately. I'm sure most people would consider themselves as such unless they've consistently won tournaments or something.If you got a lobby I'll join it
>>731172072People who can't learn how to combo and love to play low tiers so they can pull the classic>if you beat me it's because i'm low tier>if you lose to me then it's because you're bad
>>731172072i dunno you tell me
>>731172076zoners have genuinely been more oppressed by devs and the community at large than grapplers will ever be. grapplers are the wholesome reddit archetype
Anyone wanna play some samsho 2019?I'm hosting a public room.
>>731172072because grapplers around the fact they have the absolute best tools in their given games but are nerfed by being slow as fuck and not being able to move. it's made for people that just want to do as little as work as possible
When you see what the pros look like you don't really get inspired and think to yourself "damn I want to be like that guy" I watched frostyfausting or whatever for strive and oh man the people I saw competing oh man oh man
>>731171931Grappler being good isn't necessarily bad, it mostly comes down to how the grappler is good. In Potemkin's case, ArcSys kind of flip flopped around by removing Potemkin's kara tech, but compensated him with various buffs. However, people complained, and ArcSys put the kara stuff back in, but without considering what the kara stuff did alongside those buffs, making him pretty ludicrous.He then got nerfed a bit, but not anywhere enough, making him kind of a clownshow of a character. With armor removed on slidehead he either feasts or dies in certain matchups, but because of hammerfall prc shenanigans he can basically turn any round around with just one or two reads, all while being able to make more mistakes than other characters (only beat by Bedman in terms of health, iirc?).Still, I'd rather deal with Strive potemkin than AC Potemkin. AC Potemkin is an actual monster.
>>731172436simply play good games
>>731172485>AC Potemkin is an actual monsterworlds strongest mid tier
>>731172436I know FAB dresses like a dapper businessman
>>731172436It's better in Japan, only like half of them are painful to look at.
>>731172530It's all fun and games until you're playing Johnny and got into Potemkin's giganter loops.
>>731172517https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNURn039iQc&list=RDdNURn039iQc&start_radio=1
>>731171879You probably did block the second hit crouching but the impact effect just played a frame later when your character was already standing up.
>>731171669>U DON'T UNDERSTAND! IT'S NORMALLY THREE INTERACTIONS INSTEAD OF ONE OR TWOStop acting like a pissy bitch, you autist.>>731171736I don't play Urien but in that webm specifically, the hardest part of any of those two combos appears to be the charge partitioning of St Mp into EX headbutt. Fair for GG, but games like ST still had enormous amount of damage and difficult execution wasn't really the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Luq_b9kxKU
Does anyone else suck at playing fighting games on arcade stick but great at playing shmups on it
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>>731172589it's funny that mikeZ liked +r pot so much he split that character in half and made cerebella and big band in skull girls.
>>731172894When people heard that Mike was making a fighting game, they often joked that he'd fill the roster with only grapplers.
>>731151568learn to play against the cpu and get to the point that you have enough basic common sense (eg use an anti-air when they jump, don't randomly throw out unsafe moves, block on your wakeup) to beat the arcade ladderyou can now go to a local and probably beat a couple of barely functional autists there, then use that as motivation to grind against the decent players who will beat you at first. worked for me anyway
>>731171931Seconding what the other anon says, Pot isn't annoying because of his strike/throw, he's annoying because he has none of the weaknesses a grappler should haveGiving him Blue WA is also incredibly stupid, even more so when they nerf Red WA to no longer be a pressure starter in the following patch.>>731172485He was already getting stupid by the end of S3, we'll never know what initial S4 Pot would have been but my take is the removal of karas wouldn't have hurt his power level at all.>With armor removed on slidehead he either feasts or dies in certain matchupsZoners can still eat shit against Pot fullscreen because projectiles get negated by flick, and it also sometimes beats strikes because it's a huge ass disjoint that trades favorably>all while being able to make more mistakes than other characters (only beat by Bedman in terms of health, iirc?).Bedman has less, and Bedman also has 0 Guts, which makes his mistakes in later parts of a round after he lost health much more costly. Pot has 4 and Goldlewis 3.Pot has by far the highest health in the gameAnother thing that makes him broken is Hammerfall fPRC Pot Buster basically refunds itself, because the animation is so fucking long that he's out of meter penalty by the time the damage is dealt
>>731172760the hardest part is landing a clean jumpin on akuma that should literally never happen in that matchup
>>731172517I've seen this guy he is cool yeah doing his crazy stuff but the people I saw... No, they weren't like him at all and strive has no such people. I also watched a Street Fighter final of some sorts in a cage and the finalists looked like they were legit dead inside.>>731172532Okay this guy is alright too>>731172545Haven't watched any japanese tournament, in the frosty whatever tournament it was... yeah. There is a bunch of normal looking people for most tittles knee guy from Tekken the bald guy for sf I think, the diaphone guy that has like a career and a wife, Amsa the yoshi guy that has a career and a job... but most aren't like them lmao they are the exception.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD1S1GMOhtg
Threadly reminder that Grapplers are hated simply because they're not playing the same game as everyone else. See, most archetypes just do something a lot better than everyone else, but is otherwise still "just" doing it better than someone else. Rushdown characters with ungodly crossups and mixes, but dealing with them just requires you to be better at blocking and finding the gaps in the same way but to a greater degree than other characters ask. Zoners can fill the screen with a metric fuckton of garbage, but getting in on them just requires you to be better at blocking and evading in the same way but to a greater degree than other characters ask.Conversely, Grapplers aren't designed around being better at grabbing people, or having a simply better grab. They often do have such things in their kit, but no: the defining quality of a Grappler is that they get a grab that BREAKS the RULES. By being untechable and throw invulnerable, you literally cannot beat a Grappler's throw by just being better at recognizing when they're going for a throw and dealing with that to a greater degree than other characters. It's this focal point that completely warps the grappler's design and makes them irritating to play against.
i continue to have fun in rivals 2
>>731173129nice but I hate both of these characters
>>731172197>unironically watching rooflemongerDo you watch max and ashlon esports too?
>>731173309i could care less about the command grabs of grapplers, i just hate when grapplers are designed with every counter tool to ever exist and the devs magically decide that this character should be good actually.
Holy when did the thread have an archetype war now?
>>731173309>you literally cannot beat a Grappler's throw by just being better at recognizing when they're going for a throwYes you do? When you recognize they're going for a throw that's when you stop blocking. This is the dumbest shit I've ever read.I play +R Sol btw, should give you a meter on how stupid this is if I find it stupid.
i miss skullgirls
>>731173054>He was already getting stupid by the end of S3, we'll never know what initial S4 Pot would have been but my take is the removal of karas wouldn't have hurt his power level at all.Yeah, I think the buffs he received were well justified. Sure, I get that cool fighting game tech being removed is lame, but part of Potemkin's problem was that the kara tech was kind of seen as integral to playing him past a certain player skill level. A lot of other characters could benefit from doing various kara cancels, too, but Potemkin felt like he NEEDED them. That's not exactly healthy, I find.>Zoners can still eat shit against Pot fullscreen because projectiles get negated by flick, and it also sometimes beats strikes because it's a huge ass disjoint that trades favorablySure, it's more that some characters can just sit at a comfortable distance and just bully him, baiting him into doing an unsafe option or getting punished for attempting slidehead. If he tries to flick, you layer your offense that he eats a fat counter hit for trying it. I say that as someone who plays Faust.>Bedman has less, and Bedman also has 0 Guts, which makes his mistakes in later parts of a round after he lost health much more costly. Pot has 4 and Goldlewis 3.>Pot has by far the highest health in the gameFair, I must have misremembered that part, then.>fPRC Pot Buster basically refunds itself, because the animation is so fucking long that he's out of meter penalty by the time the damage is dealtYeah, this part makes getting hit by fPRC pot buster feel like a highway robbery.On somewhat similar note, I genuinely feel like within Strive's system, you shouldn't be able to PRC a whiffed throw or cmd grab. The RPS that follows a fuzzy jump or a backdash when you read an incoming throw is just infuriating sometimes.
We need to go back to 360s looking like this
>>731173540skullgirls still has a very dedicated playerbase, you can just play it if you want too. all the devs quit because they never got paid too so like the game is just there now. someone even got custom palettes to work in the game recently
>>731173562I bet you want jabs triggering proximity guard from a mile away, too.
>>731173483>tick throw into 3 frame invincible grab with big range
>>731171618Good post, thanks.I feel like need to call out what I want to do or some autistic shit to avoid pointless autopilot. Also, I need to train myself to focus on the opposing char instead of my own.Do you have any tips for reviewing own replays/pro replays. I'm trying to get into the habit of reviewing the matches I just played, no matter if I lost or won. I mainly use the player control to try and get punishes on stuff that I didn't punish and look for obvious bad habits.
>>731173595Yes. We need one button throws back too.
>>731173376I wanted to get into Rivals 2, but I find it frustrating to get into platform fighters. Few seem to have any good knowledge wikis, and their focus around analog control and the inconsistency of things feeling out short hop input timing confuses and scares me.
>>731173624FAB's just built different.
>>731173624they really gave this character high low mix
Nobody who thinks grapplers should be good has ever suffered even a mildly bad matchup against one. I've played matchups where I went to see a pro player on the other character give advice and they literally started laughing while going over my character's options but I still enjoyed it more and thought better of the players than the somewhat disadvantageous grappler MUs I've had.
>>731173562Based
>implements battle damage with blood, dirt and sweat>doesn't work online, far and away the most played mode in the gamethanks kojima
>>731173698rivals 2 actually has a very robust wiki here: https://dragdown.wiki/wiki/RoA2 what it's missing at the moment is every frame of hitboxes, but you can simply pop into training mode and check them yourself, frame-by-frame or in slow motion.personally, i see the ambiguity of platform fighter controls and movement as a strength of the genre, but i can understand why it's difficult for 2D players to transition to them. i think the only 2D player i've seen playing rivals 2 with any success is apologyman. everyone i know who plays it started with platform fighters, even if they play a lot of fighting games in general. that said, it's definitely one of the easiest to learn and has much more common sense design than some of its peers.
>>731173000CPUs don't punish unsafe moves unless they are on terminator difficulty.
>>731173483>I play +R Sol btw, should give you a meter on how stupid this is if I find it stupid>"I don't find this to be as much of a problem" -guy playing a character with a 3F button and a meterless throw invul reversalOkay.
>>731173983sol players in +r genuinely act like the most oppressed group in that game for some reason
Why aren't you playing 3rd strike?
I just like playing this lil niggy. Dive kicks, black hole bnbs are fun. Haven't touch T8 and SF6 in a year
>>731174059I don't want to learn a million parry OS options.
>>731174045One too many instances of Baiken doing a guard cancel or being DP'd by Zappa's dog, obviously.
>>731174059>ryu does everything correctly>gets parried>touch of death by makotoyou just posted one of several reasons
>>731174059I don't know anything about 3rd strike but why did the Makoto throw a grab at the start when Ryu was half a screen away
>>731174173>>ryu does everything correctlyDoing the DP was ballsy, but I respect the hustle. Ryu could've just done a standing button or some other option instead.On the other hand, Makoto's touch of death is decently difficult to actually execute.
>>731174173>ryu does everything correctlythere is genuinely no reason to dp after getting air parried twice like that
>Crapcom shills WILL defend this Holy yikes
I would but im only intrigued by unorthodox characters that are designed to make playing them difficult.>arakune>asuka>techiesYou catch my drift you bottom tier scrubs?
>>731174335Then you're gonna like Zappa.
>>731173595I'll gladly take that over SF6 walk back slime rush.
>>731174335asuka is not a difficult character, techies is also not difficult being bad does not = difficulty. arakune is the only one in that list that is difficult
>>731174193tried to react to a dashnotice he whiffed a normal and stepped forward and that's when he tried to command grabif it actually was a dash he would've won right there
>>731174294coward mentality
>>731174382Anon don't blueball me, who is zappa?
>>731174297I don't think anyone can mind read whatever the fuck you're trying to complain about so I doubt it
>>731174485Zappa from GG +R.
>>731174406Get on strive then bitch, im gonna rearrange your prostate like its minecraft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw1f6PG4TBMhere is the best grappler player in all of fighting gamesyes, better than snake eyes yes, better than FABany questions?
>>731174485Arguably the best character in GGXXAC+R. He takes some finesse to operate, but if you get good at using his sword summon (not that triplets or dog are that bad either), he's suffocating to deal with.
>>731173671>own replaysWatch them in 2x speed and check how you move in the broader sense (sometimes you just walk yourself into the corner like an idiot, but you do that over 20 seconds and you don't realize it)Use replay takeover to figure out which move you could have punished/whiff punished, or to see if you could have optimized some hits (counterhit conversions, spending drive because you're at a resource advantage, using supers, side switch routes, safejump/setups [...]).Make a note of what kind of stuff is getting you punished and why (eg. doing two fireballs in a row point blank against an opponent that did nothing but jump all match long)Look at what your opponent did and see if there are any habits you didn't catch during the match (eg. they always backdash after a throw tech, but you didn't notice it because the animation is too subtle)>pro replayssteal their blockstrings but also understand why they're doing it because some stuff won't work at a low levelcompare what you're doing to what they're doing (are they using more OD specials? drive rushes? are they playing at a different range in certain matchups?)look at character specific counterplay (eg. Ed can snipe Guile's Sonic Blade during the recovery with 5MK if his spacing is correct, and he can get some great combos off of it)
>>731174535>>731174592Just looked him up, what the literal shit? Why did they give a discount version of him with zato 1 in strive? zappa better get added to strive or im fucking every one in this thread. Especially this twink>>731173120
