>wow a huge ass castle, i wonder if anyone lives thereNope>maybe someone lives nearbyNope>woah a massive dragon, the open world must be very livelyNope>surely there's an even bigger castle later in the gameNope>i bet all of these NPC questlines lead somewhere fascinatingNope
The lack of any meaningful hub locations was a real letdown
>>731157631You had 6 games to come to terms with this
>>731157631https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QE5DEQjmoQ
>>731157631yeah the game beside being huge, its as empty as a tiny map
>>731157631>discord trannies still seething
>>731157708could this game be anymore reddit
what's limgrave
>wow fascinating symbolism wonder what it all meansit means jackshit>GRRM involvement must have been huge on this onehe didn't do shit
>>731157935limgraveballz lm@0
>>731157631Open world is a design format that you choose when you want to pull a fast one on your supervisor, because the project being managed hasn't accomplished any work.The vast majority of the perceived work is just defined by layered functions and RNG. It really says a lot about Dark Souls 2 and 3 that they couldn't even add an open world and instead had to haphazardly stitch together barely finished content, pad out the levelcount with flat swamps and copypasta and just generally pretend that the games weren't missing at least half of their planned content (from the world map in Majula's basement it even looks like they wanted to make an open world).This is the Dunning Kruger hill I will die on, clearly I am at the pinnacle of human knowledge in the subject.
>>731158064>>GRRM involvementwas one of the reason I bought the game. regreted it
>>731157631>>surely there's an even bigger castle later in the gameVolcano Manor
>>731157935Like a grave but it's lim.
I'm pretty sure FromSoft's dated as engine literally can't handle NPC routines outside of the most basic AI companion shit, every game they make is set in a empty desolate shithole because if they actuallly tried doing something like a city with people in it the engine would shit itself
>>731158635Smaller and less intricate than Stormveil
>>73115763124/7 seethe threads for 4 years and counting
>>731157631>introduces sneaking>entire dungeons are full of enemies scripted to jump out of their hidey holes even if you're sneaking and they don't see you and end up just standing around inactive
>>731158969>Shitty lore Youtuber manages to make a 2 hour video on this one character
>>731157708If this game were made 20 years ago this image would be drawn completely by hand in an actually charming way like that God Hand image.
>>731159118are youtubers mentally ill?
>>731159164Yes, but they also have financial incentive to be mentally ill. That's what the internet has been turned into, a bunch of narcissistic assholes who shovel endless refuse into the open garbage pit that is the modern internet because they get adsponsorbucks.
>>731157631you'll get zanzibart forgive me and you WILL LIKE IT.
>>731159001it doesn't have to do with engine, AC6 felt more lively because it had more vocal comms and events in the game directly involved you instead of vaguely alluding to decrepit figures
How do you make this game fun
>>731157631I like Elden Ring but yeah the open world is really too static, and doesn't feel lived in at allI'm not asking for RDR2 or BOTW levels of immersion and lived in-ness, but surely it isn't fucking rocket science to make a friendly NPC walk a few steps and not stand awkwardly for eternity?>>731157698Yeah this too, Roundtable should have been a village in the middle of Limgrave.
>>731157708Now I don't say this often.. but this is a gem.
game sucks
So weird how they made the hub a boring room to warp to instead of a place connected to the actual map
i saw how pajeets absolutely raped (lol) the catalog with shill threads for this game so i immediately blacklist it and add *elden*ring* to my filters lol rangeban india btw
>>731159568Scrap the main quest, it's utterly pointless and boring, and improve every other questline instead. Let Melina be just another NPC.
>>731157631>wow a huge ass castle, i wonder if anyone lives thereAll of the 'large' castles have people living in them.
>>731157631Yeah it doesn't really feel "lived in" does it.The level design in Demons' Souls and Dark Souls was brilliant because the world worked and operated like a real place. The game is spent un-learning everything that being a video game has ever taught you and trying to use your head. If you want to move upwards quickly instead of running through a convoluted castle then you use an elevator designed for transporting big rocks.I remember little glimpses of this when you're running through a castle and you figure out that you can kick a ladder down or something. It's a sharp contrast from the rest of the game which is spent running through a Final Fantasy wallpaper and encountering one church with an ultra powerful NPC sitting on a dilapidated rock for 150 years.
>>731158969Benis
>>731157631Post thing this remind me that like 50% of people aren't capable of imagining things and are missing what makes humans human. Sad
>>731157631I've never said that, not even once, because both the leaked gameplay weeks before release and official previews indicated that this was going to be an empty field-riding simulator for dullards.>>731159360Okay, now try to give people bluettoth earsets in a medieval setting.
>>731157631stick to Skyrim champ
I thought the whole point of these games were about how the world is desolated and you're one of the few surviving 'normal' people left trying to fix it.
>>731157708trash
The open world just exasperated the problems with Miyazaki's "after the bomb dropped" type settings. I still think Demon's Souls and Bloodborne do it best just by virtue of being set really close to the time things went off the rails. Less empty. Less dead. Less 'it's been 10,000 years shit's rotting away'.
>>731161723Untrue, among other things there are new people being born all the time in The Lands Between, supposedly, the game is just lazily developed so doesn't reflect it. There isn't a lot of peril either beside copy pasted shitmons. It really is just EMPTY
>>731161723it's a cliche writing crutch fromsoftware likes to use a lot. you're a midwit, so you think it being the point automatically makes it enjoyable. but it doesn't
>>731162324aren't people living/wandering in the land between just zombies??
>>731163156That's not living then
>>731163428yeah indeed...unliving dead
One of the biggest issues with elden ring is that there's too much souls dna in its storytelling. This land is supposed to be alive and have a future, merely going through a massive civil war and not an apocalyptic scenarios yet there are no settlements beyond Jarburg and every single human still looks like a shriveled zombie. NPCs have the same terrible, vague garbage ass storylines mostly ending with their deaths, i think only Ranni, Nepheli and Patches got positive outcomes. Jarburg gets cheaply destroyed offscreen. 80% of the lore is removed from the game so lorefags could jerk themselves with headcanons into oblivion.This game really needed Sekiro style storytelling.
Where is the Switch 2 port Bamco?!
>>731162276Lands Between are not supposed to be rotting away, it's supposed to be a Sengoku period with a bunch of warlords fighting over the land, yet you can't feel it. Nioh unironically makes better use of its own setting in that regard.
>>731159257I loved the short period of videos where we'd have silence and all commentary of the video creator was a text on the screen.That was peak memery.Creators who voice their videos or worse, show their whole fucking head and insufferable.Utter normbottery.
>>731157708Dear god in heaven can we PLEASE leave wojaks behind.These fucking things just won't die.
>>731164218Nah I think the Sengoku type shit is supposed to be long over. Since it culminated in Radahn and Malenia's forces shooting their wads and failing to establish a successor dynasty.
>>731164348There's nothing new to take its place.Meme magic is dead.What we get now is endless recycling of corpses of the old by gone internet we grew up with.Kids today really missed out on the absolute hay day of the internet.All they get now is niggerspeak like unc, and bro and deadass.Really imagine that for a short moment of time.
>>731157708I fucking hate wojaks
Classic Heroes thread. This old video still holds up pretty well https://youtu.be/81nhkIPdzk4
>>731157631I hard dropped the game when I realized the random zombie soldiers were meant to be actual people. As in these guys are meant to be regular soldiers.The 'empty, dying world full of horrors" worked well with Dark Souls, particularly the first one, because of the setting. It's just too retarded in Elden Ring for me to bear.
>>731160774The OP was imagining he was playing a good RPG, only to find out he wasn't.
>>731158969i legit hate the way From does side queststhe teleporting npcs to random places is pure cancer, you need a wiki to finish any of them
>>731157631What we're expected to believe is that this is a world in the aftermath of a massive war that ended in a stalemate, with all the lords involved in the conflict still living and mostly still sentient, and all still leading armies wearing their colors and bearing their banners, that these armies have organized encampments scattered around the world and are patrolling their castles, but there is not a single fucking town with any living population at all that is not mindlessly feral.It's incredible how Fromsoft used to be so good at making their worlds immersive and in line with their mechanics back in the days of Demon's Souls, and now are arguably one of the worst developers in the industry at immersion while mindlessly repeating their old mechanics.
Can anyone explain the appeal of Souls games? Not being snarky, I've tried several of them and Souls-like games like Nioh and I am very quickly turned off. In particular they feel like games that don't value the player's time and a lot of tedium is involved. I wish I liked them as there are so many of them.
>>731164952wait, they arent just zombies?why they attacking everything then?why are we attacking them?
>>731160774>You just have to imagine all the good stuff bro
>>731164348>>731157771>>731159156>>731161798>>731164860Way to out yourselves as tourists
>>731165541Nioh is not a soulslike, that game actually punishes you for thinking it is>>731165781Because fromsoft is retarded that's whySee the following, this anon summed it up pretty well >>731165389
>>731165389i mean, entire map feels like a fever dream, nothing about it makes realistic senseits like a theme park of "greatest hits"i seriously doubt much thought went into trying to make it make sense
>>731166339kek this
>>731157631ER could have used a village or something man. And I mean more than just the jar village. 6 fucking games like this and froms most lively npc's were in demon's. Wtf. They used to walk around and fight. One guy charges into a boss arena to help you out. Yet 5 fucking games later, Orbin of Germania can't get off his fat ass until I reload.
>>731159641Yea it means legend felled.You gonna make a zanzibar joke to?
I don't give a single fuck about npcs
For those that don’t want to be totally gay and argue about nothing, should I install Dark Souls 2 or 3 right now? And leave the primitive tribalism at the door I enjoy both but it’s been a minute.
It was fine in DeS/DaS but I agree Souls fatigue is here in more ways than just gameplay. I thought GRMM's involvement would mean more of an actual plot for Elden Ring and it's still pretty much the same shit.Sekiro is probably their only game with more of a coherent plot/characters? Even though it's not by much.
>>731167647ac6 is fairly straight forward
>>731158064he gave the whole cast three names to share and made the poop manthat ought to count for something
>>731165904Kill yourself sharynigger
>>731157631Lyndell is way bigger than Limgrave castle.
>>731164873What are you doing?What mental illness drives a creature to do things like this?
>>731164639>What we get now is endless recycling of corpses of the oldSo like Elden Ring.
>>731157631>wow a huge ass castle, i wonder if anyone lives there>maybe someone lives nearby>woah a massive dragon, the open world must be very lively>surely there's an even bigger castle later in the game>i bet all of these NPC questlines lead somewhere fascinatingAs a Dark Souls veteran with thousands of hours of playtime under my belt I did not think a single one of these questions going into Elden Ring.I as promised "Dark Souls 3 with an open world" and Elden Ring delivered, so I was very happy with the game. It was Dark Souls, but with "You see that mountain? You can walk to it, climb it, and fight a boss on it."
>>731157631This was my biggest problem with the game. The world feels lifeless in a bad way.
>>731168720Yeah well I only played Dark Souls PTD so I went in expecting a fun adventure.
>>731168720>I was very happy with the gameyou are also happy with this cock in your mouth
>>731167091yeah but can't find my zanzibart elephant meme in my folder
>>731168901Elden Ring is the best adventure game since Dark Souls, since it does the exact same thing of letting you pick a variety of paths from the start, but also having them make geographical sense together (unlike Dark Souls 2, which is more of a theme park than an adventure in that regard). If you didn't enjoy it then you won't be able to quantify why beyond "it was too much adventure and I got bored of adventuring - I actually just wanted a short little romp through one castle, not a grand quest across a whole country.">>731168919I don't feel or taste a cock in my mouth so that's a strange self-report for your micropenis there.
>>731169293>adventure is when it takes a long time to walk from A to BNo.
>>7311687203.2k hours on Dark Souls 1.Elden Troon (500h) is their worst game to date.
>>731157631I definitely would have liked a proper hub, but the (un)dead world is appropriate for the setting. What bothered me about the game was>>731158870Instead of being hard, the majority of fights felt unnatural and frustrating.
>>731169378Oh look, you proved me right by not quantifying anything. Just more of your "wah wah my fee fees were made sad. :(">>731169481Those are PVP numbers and yes, Elden Ring's PVP is not the same as Dark Souls' because they removed one-on-one invasions. Mind you that one-on-one duels are still a thing, but the average invaderfag has no interest in a fair one on one - they want to curbstomp noobs in their tricked out endgame gear (that they hacked in because it's such a pain in the ass to actually beat the game at level 1).Not saying YOU are such a person, but lightly implying it.
>>731164860>>731168164biggest niggers that complain about memes are usually artless retards themselves who can't create anything worthwhile
>>731157708okay the cat statue one is pretty funny
>>731168230Leyndell is not a castle
>>731170061>if a castle grows too large it ceases to be a castle
>>731169945is what he said true?
>>731169293>I don't feel or taste a cock in my mouthits hard to taste something that made you unconscious from a lack of oxygen
>>731165904>shartfag>calls others tourists
>>731169740>"wah wah my fee fees were made sad. :("Insane take, the point is obviously open world to Elden Ring means little more than scaling a typical level up to a massive one so you're mostly pointlessly wandering for the majority of the game in between actually designed areas so they could stick the open world tag on it. It doesn't even look good. Assets are reused to a comical degree. The game's color palette look likes a generic mmo. Shadow Of The Colossus does it correctly, they asked what they want an open world to be and they designed a beautiful world which isn't padded with pointless monsters but trumps Elden Ring in scale and rewards you with battles worthy of the journey. In comparison the dungeons in Elden Ring are often shortlived and straightforward, on top of, again, assets being reused up, down, left, right and center. I get it's a lot of work, but the approach just sucks.
>>731159360>an action game has more action than an rpgAre you the dumbest person alive?
>>731157631Ah, we've finally gotten to the "What do they eat" point in the decade of seething after a great game is released.I wonder how long until we get FromSoft Deragement Syndrome retards like how we have for Bethesda, Blizzard and Valve. I've already seen a few posts saying DS1 was never good lmao
>>731165076>The OP was imagining he was playingWe know
>>731170562If I can out-argue you in my sleep then you're even more retarded than I initially thought.Christ, did you even HAVE friends on the playground to banter with in elementary school? Your insults are shamefully weak. You also seems to spend a lot of your time thinking about cocks in mouths, which is peak fagbrain.>>731170726>the point is obviously open world to Elden Ring means little more than scaling a typical level up to a massive oneIncorrect: the point of Elden Ring's open world is to demonstrate the scale of the journey you're undertaking. It is the exact same as Dark Souls, with an interconnected world, but on a scale beyond that of Dark Souls. Instead of taking an Imp to Anor Londo, you see Anor Londo in the far distance and actually trek there while facing numerous adversaries along the way. You're right that a lot of that space is empty, but that's not a problem because its purpose is to be scenery. That's why you have Torrent.>Shadow Of The Colossus does it correctlyThis is just perplexingly stupid. I love Shadow of the Colossus but SotC is a puzzle game with a massive empty open world between your 16 puzzles. It and Elden Ring have almost the exact same color palette. SotC has, statistically, far more reuse of assets because they had to fit that huge of a game onto a single PS2 disk. Honestly what the fuck are you even on about here? The open world is a massive pain in the ass for SotC, which is why you're so grateful that you can skip it for the speedruns beating the game.If you don't like the Elden Ring bosses then fine, but that's purely subjective and more of a sign that you finally got beaten to the point that it was no longer fun for you. You wanted to win on the third try (not the first - that's too easy, and not the fifth - that's too hard) but it took longer than that. You forced yourself to go into every crypt even though you didn't enjoy them and they're all purely optional. These are you problems, not weaknesses of the game.
>>731162675It could be considered cliche if it was something a thousand other games did, which obviously isn't the case to anyone who has a sense of time. Fromsoft doing their own original idea over and over doesn't fit the definition of cliche, but of motif.>so you think it being the point automatically makes it enjoyable>so you thinkThose words always preface a mischaracterization. Your communication style indicates a low level of intelligence. Point refuted, opinion discarded, your dysgenic soul in the underworld.
>>731158969
>>731171656Some of the NPCs are female. "Their" is grammatically correct for single-tense unknown sex, culture-warrior.
>>731157631Fromsoft doesn't get nearly enough shit for their absolutely fucking garbage NPC """"quests"""">look up a guide on how to do the one extremely weird and obscure quest>NPC ends up dying for no reason>You have to kill the NPC because they become hostile for no reason>Even if the NPC is friendly they will die anyway>All of them end up insane, dead or both. Again, for no actual good reason.It's beyond garbage. When I played elden ring I literally didn't care about the quests because they all end the same way no matter what so why even bother aside from caring about an item they drop or something for a specific build that uses it. Armored Core 6 was a bleak as fuck world and even in that game more people survived than in the rollspam games, it's unbelievable.
>>731157631>wow a huge ass castle, i wonder if anyone lives thereGodrick>maybe someone lives nearbyMargit>woah a massive dragon, the open world must be very livelyCaelid is literally filled with unalive, dead people>surely there's an even bigger castle later in the gameokay you got that one, good job>i bet all of these NPC questlines lead somewhere fascinatingend of the game
>>731171767nah, it's a plural
>>731171818>>surely there's an even bigger castle later in the gamethere is: the capitol
I remember fighting the dragon in Limgrave, having a good time thinking "oh shit the shift to open world was worth it" and then it despawned and reappeared back to its default spot. The illusion was shattered, I was still playing From Shit and they still haven't gotten gud at game dev.>>731171793Its because they can't program NPCs to move around unless they're hostile.
Latenna's lead you to the snowfield at least
