What makes a good soulslike game?
Not being anything like Dark Souls 2.
>>731160460people liked lice of p?
>>731160672it was good(and the dlc made it better), wouldn't call it peak like the op though.
>>731160563You mean dark souls 1?
>>731160460Kill yourself zoomnigger
>>731160460if this is the best you guys can come up with to rank your genre's games, i fear you're, as the youngsters say these days, cooked.
>>731160460>demon souls>terribleok this is bait stop replying everyone
>>731161686From an objective standpoint, it's one of FromSoft's worst games. There's a lot of charm to it but it's not well made in meaningful aspect.
>>731160460>in the momentWhat does it mean? In the moment of launching it for the first time or on release?
>>731160460swap Stranger of Paradise and Lies of P, then swap Lies of P with Nioh 1 and you're goldenNever played DeS tho
>>731161852There is no defense of this opinion beyond utter dogshit taste
>>731160460Lords of the fallen (2023) is the best western attempt at the genre
>Mortal shell not in both terriblesShit list, kill yourself.
>>731160460>soulslike>goodlol
>>731160460Dark Souls is tied only with Demon's Souls as the best thoughIt would be beaten by Sekiro if that were a soulslike, but it isn't
>>731160460terrible tasteterrible chart conceptdelete the thread
>>731160672It's one of the better games of the genre, and actually has interesting combat choices and skill expression. The DLC is also incredible. Music is okay, none of it is memorable, and it has cute girls which for some reason is something a lot of souls-likes lack
>>731160460how is das bad in retrospect but dasr is mid in retrospect? retard made this graph
>>731161949Is strangers of paradise good? I've played both Niohs and enjoyed those a lot
>Remnant 2 any different from 1Bait pic.
>>731160460That's retarded. Demon's Souls separated areas have better design than the vast majority of anything else in that image, and the world design is far more responsive to player input and decisions. The single weak aspect are the bosses.
>>731160460Nioh 2 really was peak.
Souls games are hilariously garbageThis entire genre is carried by Pc faggots who cheat
>>731160460Excellent bait OP. 9/10
>>731164980Nioh 3 is going to be shit because of the open world. It doesn't suit this type of game at all. Elden Ring winning GOTY was a mistake because now every souls-like game is trying to be open world. Just look at Code Vein 2
I have genuinely never played one of these for more then like an hour or two, what is considered "the one" to start out with? I used to think it was DS1 but I feel like I see a lot of people say the second half is too shitty to be the best.
>>731160460For me, it's Lords of the Fallen (2023)>>731161686Isn't that the remake in Terrible/Terrible?
>>731160460you cant have bad in the moment but good in retrospect
>>731161852>There's a lot of charm to it but it's not well made in meaningful aspect.A ds2nigger hands typed this shit
>>731167668Things absolutely can feel like they're bad in the moment, but then years down the line when you realize everything that comes out after is even worse, you start to appreciate that bad thing more, making it good by comparison.
>>731167405Elden Ring, unironically. It's the easiest and most accessible one to start with, but can also be as hard as you want to make it. It has the most freedom out of any FromSoft game, and most build variety. It's pretty high quality throughout, though the DLC is hit or miss depending on who you ask.
Kuso thread award.
>>731160460>demon's souls>literally spawned a whole genre>'terrible in retrospect'Retarded ass zoomoid.
>>731167405It is Dark Souls 1. Mechanically the easiest to understand, it's a very carefully designed experience while also allowing the player to stray from the path and complete objectives out of order. The second half is "relatively" bad, but outside of one dungeon it's still mostly good and picks back up with the DLC content (which you should probably just look up how to access it before beating the final boss, it's weirdly hidden away for some reason and beating the final boss instantly puts you into NG+)Don't listen to the Elden Ring nigger, ER is a very meta game in that a lot of the design choices only make sense as a response to people that have played too many souls titles. It's a big empty open world and doesn't really give you the tight game design you'd get from other Souls titles.
>>731168549Soulslike isn't a real genre. It's just a loose label thrown on action rpgs (and sometimes not even action rpgs) that take certain trendy design tropes from the Souls games. The asynchronous online messages and random pvp encounters are what make Fromsoft souls games unique and very few "soulslikes" actually do anything like that.
>>731160987No I didn't, ds2 nigger.
>>731160460I thought Nobeta was well liked when it was in EA? Why is it in Bad in the Moment?I would put Lies of P and Elden Ring in Peak in Retrospect but everything else is accurate.
>>731167405I'd say there are two very different types of Souls games: stamina management and roll spam. Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1 and Dark Souls 2 are slower, methodical, and actually require you to manage your stamina. They're more about knowing when to strike and when to stay the fuck back. Dark Souls 3, Sekiro and Elden Ring make stamina a non-issue, and instead focus on honing your reflexes. The bosses are much faster and harder to exploit through game knowledge.Bloodborne, at least in my memory (has it really been 11 years what the fuck) sits in a sweet spot between the two approaches. Dodging is much, much faster, but also your weapon swings eat up a shitton of your stamina. Anyway, for the first group I recommend Dark Souls 1. It's still my favourite game of all time, a real classic. For the second group, probably Elden Ring. Maybe Sekiro, as it's a much shorter, focused experience. ER is, for better or worse, very bloated.
>>731169324>ds2I think DS3 is the best one though. Dark Souls 1 is bad in most aspects, and the "good world design" is just a fluke and wasn't ever intended. The reason why they never returned to that design philosophy is because that was never the focus of the games. DS1 is the oddball, not the standard, and should not be treated as such.
>>731160460This list is all around wrong but the most egregious thing there is Lies of P. This game is mid as hell. The enemies are boring and there's little variety, the bosses are all boring, all the weapon looks like toys and i could go on and on.The worst part is that even the gameplay is ass. I cannot fathom how some people think that it's a good Souls-like
>>731170683sounds like you just got filtered>enemies are boringit has the same enemy variety as every other souls game, which is to say not a lot but thats to be expected>bosses are boringwrong every boss fight has lore and mechanics for you to discover>weapons look like toysit's literally a Pinocchio themed game retard
>>731160460Never listen to anyone dumb enough to like team ninja games
>>731170683The gameplay is one of the best in the genre. It sounds like you just watched a few of your favorite streamers play it and complain about it and that become your opinion.
>Nioh 2>Peak in retrospectNone of that shit was memorable, it was literally just dopamine hit after dopamine hit with pretty colors and loot. I literally beat the game and remember next to nothing about it
>>731160460Where would you put Asterigos?
>>731171115What's wrong with team ninja games?
