I unironically hate GBF VS because tertiaries are larping as if they love characters they never heard of outside of it. Cygames wanted the normieniggers way too much and actual gbf players have to stomach their retardation.

Thems Fighting Herds is a masterclass in perfect idea, and execution, but ended with a failure due to the retards balancing it. Honestly a waste because it's one of the best fighting games made to date.

Modern controls are a blight on the community along with auto combos and should either be removed, or always stagnant/lower damage than manual inputs, they should also be able to br disabled in every game with 0 exceptions. I remember dropping TL for this despite being a melty player for over a decade. This might have been fixed though.

8way run fighters need to make a comeback. I have 2d anime fighter fatigue and tekken8 is turbo dogshit. I wish SC7 was a thing and releasing but I know after 6 bombed that we'll never get another and it's actually pretty depressing. Thank you for reading my blog, like and subscribe and I'll argue with you in the comments below.

2XKO is the worst thing I have ever played

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LUCK BUFF LUCK BUFF

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>>731360060
Hey, that was me.
I would have played more but for whatever reason my nose started bleeding profusely. It was fun even if I got my ass handed back to me.
Also the disconnects were due to a faulty cable, I'm sorry for that. It's ''fixed''.
During the Christmas sale I bought Labcoat, SS4 Gogeta and Kefla. But I had a hard time finding matches for 2 days and that bummed me a bit. Haven't played since, got other stuff to play too.

>>731447408
Even as an open-minded autist who likes several modern fighting games, it feels bad

Really wishing that GGST had clientside music and stages. Getting fucking tired of hearing truly awful battle tracks like Mirror of the World and I Wanna Stay At Your House

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>>731447323
Your sunk cost investment in a browser game skinnerbox is your own problem and Versus has literally a fraction of the fans of other Granblue secondary products.

>>731449009
Clientside stages won't work because every stage have different number of places and wallbreaks.

>>731446797
tfw no friends who like fighting games

>>731446797
I absolutely hate story in fighting games (I have 300 hours in tekken 8 and haven't touched story/arcade once) and I still sat through DBFZ's retarded ass story just to unlock 21
easily the best new OC in years, fun to play with an appealing design and uh titties, needs to be in more titles pronto

>>731449324
>got friends that are into fightans
>want to do 2v2 2XKO
>the ones who can play are out of region
>the ones in region are on Linux
shit sucks

>>731447323
>Granblue Gacha players getting uppity
You should be happy your shit franchise got an actual good game to be remembered by instead of gacha trash.

Who wants to play me in Pokken

dragon fighters was shit
modern fighters are shit

>>731449509
I would like to play you in Pokken but I haven't paid for Nintendo Online since 2018.

>>731449324
>friend and I used to play Killer Instinct all the time on his Xbone back in the day
>get it for him on steamdeck over Christmas so we can play on steam
>never wants to play hasn't even downloaded it

>>731449379
A21 really was Toriyama's last gift.
Labcoat made it into canon.
Versusia is a great OC too, she followed a somewhat similar route. As far as I know, she's well liked in the gacha too.

>>731449009
I just turn off the music in game and use my own separate playlist on the side
Mirror of the World is really good imo but it takes way too fucking long to kick in, even if you disregard the already short rounds

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FIGHTING
WITH YOUR DETERMINATION

FIGHTER
BET YOUR LIFE IN THE RING

>>731446797
>being excited about 2XKO
I can only expect this from modern day /v/eddit. This really is a normalnigger + marketer containment board

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>>731449509
One day we'll have a sequel or ultra-deluxe port re-re-elease... Harada is standing by!!!!

>>731450807
JAM project always dropping bangers.

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>>731451203
>Pokemon on PC and modern platforms.

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SOON

I tried playing FighterZ because I bought it back in 2016 and I hate it so much. Telling me I'm not allowed to play 21 until I finish that lame ass story just made me insta-delete

>>731451332
>on PC
I don't see where anything the tweet or my post suggested wanting that
>modern platforms
Switch 2 is a modern platform. A shit one, but definitely is one

>>731451465
>>731451332
ph you thought when I posted "port" I meant other platforms. No I just meant a port to switch 2 sorry for the lack of clarity

>waited years for Project L
>halfway through they pivot development to tag kuso
>I cope
>the game releases
>the game is irredemable in pretty much every aspect
>I can cope no longer
I literally do not know how to deal or feel about this
it's an abstract kind of feel

>>731451645
At least it's free.

>>731450119
That's why I like actual new characters in fighting games over bringing back ryu or cammy for the 50th time. You never know who will actually stick around and you don't even need lore, just a good design and the rest will follow
Yeah there's a lot of fucking duds but even characters like alex look cool now in SF6 given the chance

>>731452007
it's also garbage

>>731452271
Have you forgotten how some of the FGC hates new generation characters and will screeching to beg for their favorite longtime characters to comeback regardless they died or retired?

>hokutomaru is now top tier as fuck in cotw
funny ass timeline

>>731452271
This. Why do you need Magneto in MVC when you can have his same function in the form of a new character?

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>>731446797
COMBO VIDEOS?

>>731452271
What they should do is not throw away their work. So you don't need to choose between having your favorite character or having a newcomer.
>but muh there would be a billion characters
so what

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>>731446797
it still amazes me they created a sex bomb like 21 and then went "yeah let's have it so she was married to the fucking old man from the android saga"
arcsys operate on a whole different level

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>>731452630
Risc is a fun mechanic

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Why is GBVS so agonizing to play?

>>731452850
Compfags and ranktards will try to deny this for balance purposes and risk of bloat.

>>731453018
the people who jerk themselves over how le hard and deep fighting games are when it becomes actually hard and deep due to abundance of characters

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>>731452271
New characters in old franchises have been about 90% box ticking orphans that the game does its best to have you forget about by the next major update for the last 20 years. Most of the exceptions are characters they shilled so hard in the story that they had to technically bring them back but with their gameplay completely changed like Juri or Ramlethal.

>>731452548
You jest but I doubt people would have cared about magneto so much if he wasn't broken. He's the one guy that the function meme actually applies to
>but muh x-men
only popular with millennials, zoomers and alphas do not give a shit about x-men

>>731453083
Knowledge checks aren't deep

>>731453009
it isn't?

>>731449324
I successfully got one of my friends into fighting games and it felt so good watching him improve and go from constantly getting frustrated to getting an occasional win on me. He ended up liking FighterZ and SF Alpha 3

>>731453009
What because it was made by nu arcsys?

>>731453009
Extremely low skill ceiling

>>731453009
Braindead unga-bunga offence + shitty defence

>>731453393
>shitty defence
isn't granpoo known for having throws that are difficult to use and an absolutely free "get off me" button that you can't call out in any way and just have to hold

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if you're here Variable Geo anon we can try some Advanced V.G. 2 on Arkadyzja if you're up for it.

>>731453009
Haven't played it in over a year. Is 66L still a thing? If so, it's that.

>>731453475
It is.

>>731453285
i did this with one of my friends and he completely lapped me in every way lol

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What’s the chance ArcSys reveals a full season pass 4 with SSJ4 Goku? I don’t really see the point in coming back to the game just to add 1 single character

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>>731453393
I feel like if your character can't abuse bullshit you're just not playing the same game. No more for my honest neutral character

>>731452548
The trick is not to say "this character is a replacement for this other character you like who is not getting in!" but to instead make new characters that do different things and hopefully attract an audience that way.

>>731452917
>pervy old man makes a sex doll for himself
Accurate to Toriyama lore. All old guys are lovable pervs.

>>731446797
fighting games are dead, accept it and move on

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>>731453556
I doubt it. Arcsys is full right now this year with Strive 2.0 and Tokon. It'll be crazy if they revealed on EVO Japan 2026 and say "WE GOING ALL OUT WITH GBVSR SEASON 3, DBFZ SEASON 4, STRIVE 2.0 AND TOKON BABYYY!!!!!".

>>731453285
>>731449324
>friend of mine randomly just buys Strive out of no where saying he loves the artstyle and music thinks it's cool
>so excited about it literally gifted me $10 steambucks to buy Baiken and play with him
>he plays the game one time
>never plays again

What can save the normie audience getting into fighting games?

>>731453724
>>731452917
Android 21 is a super powered clone of his real life human wife, Vomi, who presumably looked like that when she was alive. It's unclear when she was made or when the original died but you're right in that the dirty old man made sure she was the hot young version of herself when she was cloned.

>>731453817
NOOOO MY 2XKO VIEWERSHIP!!!

>>731453448
No, throws are easy, the problem is that the game has a retarded option select for throws. The guard cancel is powerful, you only get 3 and it uses a gem. It has shitty defence because there is no way to give people off of you with guard cancelling and there is no way to stop chip damage. So you just sit there getting mashed on from braindead offence, and if you guard cancel twice, you take 20% more damage, use up all your gems and you take 50%. The game also has retarded metre gains and refunds that promote braindead chimp play.

>>731453829
Nothing. You either like it or you don't. It's like making ice cream but then adding shit like sardines and pizza to it to try to appeal to people that don't like ice cream. The best thing you can do is just make the best ice cream you can so the people that do like it end up buying it.

>>731453783
>SF6 is garbage
>Tekken 8 is garbage
>GBVS is garbage
>Strive is garbage
>Melty is garbage
>UNI is fun but kamone keeps making retarded garbage balancing decisions
>Token looks like garbage
>DBFZ should have died years ago
>2XKO lol. lmao even
>COTW is actually fun but its suffering from the same bad balance ideas as Under Night

how the FUCK is an Avatar fighting game the only worthwhile game on the menu? what went so wrong?

>>731454173
You're not going to play that game either, you're just a worthless shitposter and nobody should listen to your opinion.

>>731454173
The only worthwhile thing about the Avatar fighting game is the drive button like mechanic.

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>>731453454
I'm also up for Super Variable Geo SNES on fightcade if the other anon who wanted to play it before is here too.

>>731453829
There will always be whiny bitches who complain they lost in a 1v1 game and nothing will change that no matter how much you do as a dev. SF6 is probably the closest you will get to a casual fanbase with optional but still competitive simple controls and a fuck ton of single player stuff to do. It also entices people into playing online with shit like battle hub and avatar battle so you can do teehee silly fights. You either have the fighting game mindset or you don't, it's just the matter of easing normies into it

>>731454173
Invincible VS is going to be very good IPslop, it's made by some of the KI guys. It's p gud.

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I understand people not liking GBVS as there are many valid reasons for that so I don't argue with people who say they don't like it, but I do believe Granblue is the best current fighting game

Wonder why arcsys didn't announce season 3 instantly after Ilsa trailer last week.

>>731453893
>complaining that chip damage actually works
Is this what we have been reduced to in 2026? The throws are pretty easy to tech even for realsies.

Game has meterless simple input DPs it's not that hard to get people off of you unless you play a character nobody should ever get in on you or god help you Vikala.

I refuse to believe the players I'm against in the trenches of 1500MR are real humans
Real people do not mash several times on the same safejump

>COTW is gud but can't get a match
>SF6 is mid but can get matches instantly

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>>731455489
I honestly don't believe you

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>>731455369
The whole rank system pre master is designed to push you to master it's filled with plenty of people with no adaptation skills since you can get there with a 40% win rate. Plenty of players do not even understand what a safe jump is or why to even block since players at their level mess up their oki all the time so mashing on every wake up is more successful than not.

>>731454281
It looks like it has the old melty style of selecting "moons" so each character can play pretty differently but I haven't dug into the game enough to know if thats how it actually it is or if it's more like a BB style Drive system

>>731454431
I've never played KI but everyone who has played the game seriously tells me pretty good things about it. The only thing i'm concerned about is that Rip is the battle designer and that could go either way in terms of how the game actually ends up playing.

>>731455369
1500MR is half people who should be 1200MR, don't know safe jumps even exist in the game yet, and got there from mashing out of manually timed oki misses in Diamond.

I wish Blazblue player rooms let me change the music or let me sit in training mode.

>>731455719
>I've never played KI
You should play KI.

>>731456407
I still think the game sucks but 6 reviews is disingenuous

>>731457169
No 6 reviews says everything really

>>731456407
>76
fucking how
critics aren't good enough to do in-depth analysis on the mechanical side and outside that the game has literally zero content

>>731457507
review sites typically have the one reviewer who actually plays fighting games to review all the fighting games. desu i would assume most fighting game reviewers would give it a middling score because... there's no content for the game whatsoever outside of the online and not that many characters

>>731456407
gemerald

>>731449324
I've been playing more with my friends recently, one who's a raging alcoholic who also doesn't really wanna learn the games much. After enough one sided beatdowns, he goes on a massive tirade calling me a faggot, so I now have no friends to play fighting games with.

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>>731446797
How did Sparking Zero fail so spectacularly?

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>>731446797
No Yun-Seong, no buy some.

>>731453009
Only game with real neutral nowadays

AND

>>731453393
what this anon said

>>731454732
ArcSys isn't responsible for announcing it, that lies on Cygames. ArcSys is only the developer. If we are going to see it, it'll probably be at an upcoming event, but personally, I'm not holding out for it.

>>731458550
unc really woke up with ex spd baka

>>731454602
Based Grubbler. I'd like it more if it was as populated as SF6 but I should be happy I'm even getting matches at all.

>>731459065
>game was like 10000 yen to develop
>sold millions
>fail

>>731459065
>no local multiplayer on launch (no having it only on one stage doesn't count)
>loaded with Supershit
>missing Dragon Ball and GT characters and even Z characters like Kibitoshin or Pikkon
>prioritizing shilling for Daima Donut Steeles in the DLC instead of fan favs

.

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Bruh, why they give my homie Alex this much GYATT and model his crack?

>>731460464
were you expecting hank hill as a crossover character

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>>731446797
Why does Capcom love Alex so much?

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>>731460464
Its a feature not a bug.

>>731461386
imagine playing a homo game for queers

>>731461436
Homo genre.

https://youtu.be/peGFDZIBmiE?t=1546

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>>731446797
lmao

>>731446797
let me guess not a single one of you fags play dbfz and yet your 21fagging again huh

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>>731462476
I play her hot majin version
I bought labcoat but I need to learn her

>>731462652
na pc ec?

>>731462732
sa pc

>>731462476
I play it but I have it modded and some mods fuck with the updates like there's a Super Saiyan 4 Bardock mod that reverts him to four years ago patch version for some retard reason of modder incompetence so I uninstalled all and don't play as much base game because it's missing a lot of characters/costumes that should be no-brainer inclusions.

>>731462917
.....i think we played together

>>731463184
might want to read the fourth post in the thread

>>731461120
he's always been cool as fuck

>>731461386
Hawt

>>731463310
i kneel actual dbfz player

fight game

I want to get into SF6 and DBFZ, what's the best way to start? Are there specific resources I should know about or guides for new players?

I already play some other fighting games but this will be my first SF and hyper fighter

>Don't SF6 and DBFZ are shit

People say this about every modern fighting game, I want to learn anyways

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Every night before I go to bed i watch high level fighting game replays on YouTube for various games. I don't know why but i fucking love watching them regardless of the game. I fucking love fighting games, bros...

>>731466482
For both games YouTube guides are the best. SF 6 has tons for whatever you need. For DBFZ just search for a character and watch any combo guides that have patch 1.38 or later in the title. The games pretty old so season 1 combos are either obsolete or don't work anymore for most characters. The system mechanics for DBFZ haven't changed that much so guides explaining how the game works are still relevant. The balance of DBFZ is in a spot where you can pick whichever 3 characters you like the most and you'll have a viable team too.

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>>731446797
I only like fighting games for the ryona

>>731466482
you should have zero problem with anything sf
as for dbfz just search on YouTube, be mindful of dates and you should be golden

>>731467421
Top 3 favourite games for ryona content?

>>731467117
>>731467520
how out of date will character guides and resources be for SF6 that aren't as of the latest patch?

What's the SF equivalent to dustloop for DBFZ?

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>>731468030
>how out of date will character guides and resources be for SF6 that aren't as of the latest patch?
about that

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>>731467590
Damn, you're puting me on the spot. I'm not sure.
I mostly just like the game to have good designs.
https://youtu.be/eh88qqqCheQ
Street Fighter (a classic)
Darkstalkers
Skullgirls

>>731446797
Is smash bros players still alive in the Western side of the world?

>>731469586
Which one

>>731469586
Aren't tournaments for it illegal?

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i continue to webm

>>731468196
The patch being bad or older guides being very outdated?

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my fleet is ass

Which game is a better test of fundamentals: Super Turbo or Hyper FIghting? This is a serious question.

>>731469792
Only Project M / + tournaments and those that try to ban Minecraft Steve

>>731462476
I play it and I absolutely hate that stupid fucking character

>>731466663
based fighting game enjoyer

>>731470163
Technically there are two things that matter in that they modified the input for drive rush cancels and perfect parries since release but practically speaking (unless you play Modern lmao) the game is 99% the same as release and most of that 1% is Luke. They pretty much never change any frame data that actually affects combo or pressure routes, maybe change some active frames but mostly damage and pushback and adding extended hurtboxes on recovery frames or if they're feeling really aggressive they will change the post-throw positioning to reduce corner oki.

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>>731449324
>that one friend who's down to play literally any fighting game
>except the only one I actually like playing, which pisses him off every time it's mentioned

>>731466663
Absolutely and unbelievably based. The thrill of the fight and skill of its participants is all that matters.

>>731446797
Why couldn't we save her...

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>>731448158
>>731447408
>>731456407
What's wrong with it? I wanted to install but it's region locked where I live.

>>731470847
Which one anon?

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>the best modern tag fighter is dead

>>731469586
Download Slippi and go to town m8 you'll get matches instantly.

DBFZ is a little hard to get into now because all the tech and stuff is hidden behind japanese twitter and the kusoge patches make last year stuff seem a bit outdated. I mean most of the guides (especially by bugman kuwagata or whatever the medalbot name is) but good fucking lord trying to search up info outside of jap twitter on it online is cursed, just a bunch of retards doing "oh look at my TOD"
>pre sparks
>limit break on
>uses all 3 characters and even tien level 7 or someone's level 5
>uses 2m as a starter and it's just the basic bnb
like bruh

>>731454732
EVO June

>>731472750
I heard it's improved a lot since release. How so? I didn't like how samey it felt back then.

>>731459065
not a traditional fighting game, so of course it financially succeeds yet fails to keep a playerbase. pan sexo btw.

>>731472750
Nah it's only hard to get into because if you're new you're walking in on an eight year old game now (feels insane saying DBFZ is eight now) and the only people left playing it are the people who've been playing it. You're gonna get run no matter what.

>>731473040
We're basically playing Dragon Ball FighterZ 3 at this point the patches have brought it so far and away from launch.

>>731446797
>Alex march 17
That fucking long?

Now that soiny bros are finally getting Xbox games, they should relaunch Killer Instinct onto Piss5.

Or just make a new one, but it's hard to think that a new KI would measure up to what we have now after ten years of updates and roster.

When is China going to save fighting games? That is the question. Lmao. Please stop making gay games, Japan. Getting nuked only twice was not enough. Japan needs to die for fighting games to be great again.

After numerous documentaries claim a pedo at Nickelodeon make one of its main stars drop water bottles over her face for some degenerate reasone only Libertarians can understand, Capcom has Alex drizzling water bottles over his face. The sooner Japan stops making video games, the sooner viceo games become genuinelyl great again.

>>731473221
>>731473336
Based nip nipper.

>>731453454
How good is VG 2?

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>>731446797
Sethanie and Makoto Year 4. Trust the plan.

>>731461120
>New Gen/2nd Impact win pose
Nice

>>731473040
I felt the patches near super baby 2 were near perfect. Now it just feels like everyone has their busted shenanigans (unless you're like the "forgotten ones")

Ha p awned is fubar maximus. It should support only aid packages for Israel as all losers of WWII. Lmao. Bow. Bigly. ASAP.

>>731461436
But enough about discussing politics on /v/

>>731460464
Why has Alex always hated wearing underwear?

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>>731446797
Voredroid
>>731452917
Android 21 is not married to Gero, Vomi and 21 are different beings
Evil 21 said she doesn't care about him and only uses his lab, Good 21 said she knows he's a bad person but is still curious about him since he is her creator

China's Wukong saved the world from From.

It can save us from Crapcom too. Lmao.

In every way I want to like COTW. I got it over Christmas on sale.

>enjoyed KOFXV
>love SamSho
>gameplay is kinda like 3S with the parries but with SNK controls
>Tizoc is like the ultra grappler
>Mai and Terry are there (although don't have their good costumes) and Marco is fun too, so a handful of characters I like

And yet, I just don't feel like playing it. I think it's partially I find the artstyle effects kinda ugly, especially the ultimate moves, but it's not only that. I think a bit of it is that much of the roster just runs together in my mind and fighting them feels homogenized maybe. I dunno. On paper it's the best current fighter, yet I just don't care to get into it. I play a few matches and then just say, "Well, that's enough for me." It doesn't hook me playing like some other games make me keep saying, "Alright one more game..."

>>731459065
they didn't add 21

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>>731467421
>I only like fighting games for t-AAAIIEEEEEEE

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>>731447926
>but for whatever reason my nose started bleeding profusely. It was fun even if I got my ass handed back to me.
Fucking KEK. Anon BTFO'd so brutally, he got a brain hemirage.

>>731469586
>melee
in decline, but slippi is still active depending on when and where you play
>ultimate
in decline everywhere except Japan, where the fact that getting to tournaments is as easy as taking a train for 90% of players means that there are regionals and majors every other week. however, the meta is fetid ass and Ultimate players have Stockholm syndrome, bad.

i could sound-ify a webm to show you what i mean, but i'm too lazy.

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>Seasons cut from 5 to 3 a year
>console launch on the 20th*
>JK 8 hour maintenance game is available at 9pm EST on the 20th
>Server and vsync issues
>Ranked has to be disabled globally for the first weekend of its 1.0 release
Jesus Christ what a shit show. I'll give the game a year at most before riot pulls the plug or it goes maintenance mode

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>>731474937
Game is also being absolutely eclipsed by SF6 in terms of actual player base engagement.

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>>731447323
I’m sorry but I love nier and will never touch the gacha

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>>731447323
Tough shit faggot.
I WILL play as the Sheep and I will make daily posts about how much I love her despite never ever touching the gacha.

>>731474937
Does Riot have a history of removing games from service if they perform poorly? Even if Riot doesn't keep the game online should it fail, the Rising Thunder fans showed they can keep the game alive, so I could play it then.

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>>731453817
I feel like arcsys nowadays is what capcom used to be back then, dominating the genre with pumping multiple fighting games both developed and published.
This year EVO alone including japan and france also including older games there's like 5 games from/published by arcsys.

God, why did Faust's j.H have to take such a hit in GGST. I mean, a lot of Faust took a hit in GGST, but j.H being far less disjointed in its startup feels like a definitive blow to his effectiveness.

Even with his 6P being stronger than ever, he definitely needs that really strong air-to-air button for when they start to adjust for his anti-airs, and I swear that lack of disjoint in earlier frames + its penchant for potentially overshooting rising opponents has lead me to use j.S more than anything--which feels ridiculous to say given how definitively slower and less active it is.

>>731466663
I wasn't big on watching footage until I watched Marvel TNS. Then for a bit there I was constantly watching Marvel 3 footage for hours on end, and watching the Youtube uploads each week is a big part of my weekend. Granted, this is also because I have no option to play Marvel 3 myself, so that's a factor too.

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>>731474698
Pretty much.
Know the meme with the guy sweating bullets and the other dude singing loudly? It kinda looked like that but with blood pouring out of my nose.
Fighting games, not even once.

this genre has no future after this generation of games.
just completely raped.

>>731449324
try living here in the east side, all people care about is smoking pot, the only games they'd care to play are the ones you'd expect, and that sure as hell ain't fightan

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This genre has a future from the will of the games that came before it
And it can still evolve

How do I play Jack O bros. I really want to play her but I can't wrap my head around her

>>731447323
imagine being proud of being a gacha subhuman.
natural slave. aristotle talked about this specifically.

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>>731479194
like this?

>play Tekken 8
>get annoyed

>go back and reinstall T7
>just chill games

They really fucked up by making Heat every round. The game would be okay if you got it once per set maybe, but the way it is now it's just Heatspam.

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>>731447532
Best girl

>Want to join small discord to play fighting
>70% dont play
>20% are troons
>10% only join the voice and dont engage outside that

>>731479490
Such is things in all places. Like how /v/ is just the other side of the coin
>70% don't play
>20% are chuds (closet troons)
>10% only silently join lobbies, otherwise never engages in getting the match going

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>>731446797
Is it just me, or is DBFZ an easy game? It's my first fighting game but the players aren't that good
I fell for the insane pros raping noobs meme

>go to play Injustice
>remember it's shit
>don't play it

I wish we had a good DC fighter. Marvel always had MVC, now Tokon, I wish DC hadn't decided to make theirs MK lite.

>>731481170
why do you want to hand a venerated western media license to gooks, just gotta find a good western developer

>>731471557
Not any of those anons but it really suffers from the same problems every post-Marvel 3 tag game has: combos that are extremely long, extremely easy to convert, and if they don’t kill you outright the next combo off of a jab will. It’s just a very low interaction game with pretty bad balance, which is concerning for a game with only 11 characters.

>>731481957
Ironically, it's more Infinite's fault than MvC3, I'd say. MvC3 is a killing game, but aside from standoits like Zero and Morrigan that easily build their own meter for their installs, the game is generally resource intensive regarding meter, assists, and X, and is relatively quick when it comes to getting the kill. It's Infinite's active tag which opened up an insanely huge world of easier confirms, extension, and pressure that the nightmares truly began--although ironically, I think Infinite itself actually navigated it pretty well and made a really engaging and dynamic game to play. Maybe it can be chalked up to develops after the fact feeling they need to build on the system to distinguish themselves.

>>731455489
>COTW is gud but can't get a match
that's funny, the snk marks were telling me you could get a match within seconds or at least minutes
they couldn't have been lying to me or anything so it clearly means you're lying...!

>>731482183
>Maybe it can be chalked up to develops after the fact feeling they need to build on the system to distinguish themselves.
I’d say it’s because despite their many, many, many, MANY faults, Capcom still has better game design chops than most of the industry.

>>731481170
The playstyle of Injustice isn't a problem to me, I think where they feel lame is that they reduce DC's strongest heroes to MK style "smacky" attacks. The blows don't feel all that powerful they're just the normal MK dial a combo little smacking eachother strings outside of specials and the wallbreak launches.

Like playing as Superman doesn't feel like he's really haymakering people and maybe it's just the punches and sound effects need to be bigger? More hitstun to them? I dunno. I think they captured Omniman really well in MK1 all these years later but the superheroes in Injustice for the most part don't feel superheroish. I'd say Batman and the more lower powered heroes or Grodd kinda fit but the super ones not as much in a lot of cases. Maybe Flash actually, and Atom.

Funny enough though this doesn't feel the case with something like DBFZ where they do feel proper superpowered DBZ for whatever reason. Even MVC generally mixes pretty good.

>>731482965
I mean that’s just Netherrealm animation quality being dogshit. It’s been that bad forever.

>>731482965
its because whoever designed the attacks is not an animator and has no imagination

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>>731447532
pantsu

>>731482965
DBFZ has a giant bunch of DBZ mechanics like superdash, charge, reflect, vanish, and signature moves all woven into movesets so the fights are flashy and like the anime.

The playstyle of Injustice is the problem whether you like it or not here. Fitting DC superheroes into the MK kung fu style grid just doesn't work without drastic system mechanic additions like DBFZ added onto the MVC formula to make it more like DBZ. Even doing something as simple as the game having ridiculously wide stages but with super amounts of corner carry on basic strings would make it feel like you're really punching someone back and back with each blow instead of just the little slaps in place they do.

There's also just a bit of this >>731483056 in that the devs were simply not very imaginative with what characters could do. Like why not have Superman have an armor mechanic where he can just no-sell attacks? Zoom around the stage? Why is Green Lantern punching at all? Every one of his attacks should be ring projections like a puppet character.

It's dead at this point anyway and WB is in a weird state, but it'd be cool to hand DC to someone other than NRS to make a game. Hell give it to the Iron Galaxy KI guys, the Killer Instinct flashy fast big hits style would fit WAY better with these characters.

>>731471557
As someone who loves Marvel 3, 2XKO has many of the worst aspects of Marvel 3, much like how most "soulslikes" fail to actually capture the good qualities of dark souls, elden ring, etc.
Good
>looks pretty good
>sound effects are alright
>combos are fairly satisfying
Bad
>Overloaded with mechanics despite supposedly being a game for newfags. Pushblock, Retreating Guard, parry, universal charged heavies, handshake tag, tag launcher, DHC, multiple assists per character including super assist, wall bounce, ground bounce, combo limit if you use 2 of those in one combo (restores burst meter), two kinds of burst, and maybe some shit I'm forgetting. Marvel 3 is is mechanically very simple compared to this game.
>Techrolling system is the worst I've ever used. Devs realized their favorite characters couldn't just lock you down and oki you to death if techrolling was free so they made rolls vulnerable to throws, but rolling is performed by simply holding (down) back or forward. This means that if you're trying to block while getting combod and the opponent suddenly knocks you down, you're going to techroll and be throw vulnerable.
>tiny roster
>Balance was bad until recently and the top tiers were extremely obnoxious to fight.
All in all the game feels like they spent 10 years in development and kept adding mechanics every time the devs/testers figured the game out, probably because that's what happened. If they had 30 characters it'd be better just by virtue of fighting fewer Ekkos.
Also, speaking of characters, some of their roster picks are fucking retarded. Classic league characters are largely absent. I'm amazed that Blitz and Teemo are even in.

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>>731483475
superman should have been like azrael and punch opponents across the screen

>>731483529
>Overloaded with mechanics despite supposedly being a game for newfags
Yeah this is the one that puzzles me. I'm a fightanzfag and I don't even remember all the stuff that was in the tutorial. Tag fighters are inherently less noob friendly to begin with and they slammed this one up the ass with extras on top of that. Sure you don't need to use them, but you're at a disadvantage if you don't.

I don't know how the f2p model of this is gonna work out. Who's buying expensive season passes for fighting game cosmetics? And then grinding through them? I don't even do that. Fighting game grinds are the worst kind, because it's really not something you just chill and casually play, especially a sweaty ass game like this. I guess you still sell characters to unlock and LoL players might buy their fav character, but I just play Warcrank and don't play LoL so dunno if anyone else will catch my fancy ever.

Meanwhile, Tokon is on the horizon, and while it had a lukewarm beta, that was just a beta, and they obviously listened to the no sauce feedback cause they even made a post about it. Tokon is going to be a death sentence to 2XKO and has been since it announced.

>>731483680
>make Captain Marvel a Raiden clone
>he doesn't even actually do the Raiden fullscreen carry zoom
>also he gets killed in the gayest possible way in Injustice 1

>>731483773
Just putting a billion things in the game for people to remember to use rather than them letting them get fucked the fuck up by footsies and have to learn something actually complicated and indistinct seems to be the new player meta these days actually People feel better when you can give them easy answers for what they can do different.

>>731483529
>Overloaded with mechanics despite supposedly being a game for newfags
This is my main issue with modern fighting games. I feel that they try so hard to stop veterans from stomping new players, so they add more defensive mechanics so casuals would be able to stand a chance and not just watch their character get comboed and then oki'd to death.

But this ironically makes it more complicated and it really adds to your mental stack. In Marvel 3 and older tag games, if you get a knockdown, they had to hold your shit. In newer games like DBFZ, both players have to take into account reflect, invincible reversals, frame one anti-air moves, armor moves and specific shit like UI Goku wake-up special. It's stressful to both the attacker and the defender.

>>731478949
The future is in the games of the past

>>731484191
Yeah, because the more experienced players are gonna use those mechanics too. If anything though modern fighting games have grown more spammy and less defensive. Tekken and SF6 both just added full on "fuck you" system mechanics you have to engage with that are full offense. Strive, 2XKO, and COTW have more defensive mechanics but COTW's are actually requiring you to have skill to use.

I don't really find DBFZ all that hard from the attacker's side because even with the things you've listed, you can just fill the screen with so much shit and crazy mix that it really doesn't matter. Sometimes I mix people just by accident. Hell, reflect requires a whole shitload of confidence or you get blasted.

Ironically the games I've had the best experiences getting my noob friends into are SamSho and Killer Instinct which are both fairly stripped down compared to newer games. SamSho is all fundies and no combos so your friends can just space and hit big buttons, and KI is the opposite where you can button mash and have a good time and then at least try to combo breaker on a guess.

Oh I forgot to say that BlazBlue and UNI ostensibly tested this theory as they had a pretty high percentage of new players. It's also easier to impress people with how interest your game is having a shitload of mechanics than going "well it looks really simple but it's actually super deep trust me"

>>731468226
I like Tekken because I like wrestling ryona especially when it comes to submission holds involving arms or legs. Alex's level 3 in SF where he breaks the opponents legs as they cry out in pain is looking to be top tier ryona content.

>>731484492
Uni doesn’t really have much in the way of mechanics outside grd which is simpler than it sounds

>>731483529
>>Techrolling system is the worst I've ever used. Devs realized their favorite characters couldn't just lock you down and oki you to death if techrolling was free so they made rolls vulnerable to throws, but rolling is performed by simply holding (down) back or forward. This means that if you're trying to block while getting combod and the opponent suddenly knocks you down, you're going to techroll and be throw vulnerable.
It also has the same problem as tons of games that have tech rolling, which is that the better characters can just ignore it
As soon as you put someone in the corner (ie as soon as you get a single combo), you can do Ekko's install, Illaoi's Tentacles, Ahri's 2S1, Teemo's fire bush and they're kinda just fucked because every roll direction is covered
Also Blitzcrank can just restand in any route off an assist, which enables a lot of mix

More generally I think rolling is always worse than just properly designing the game's oki so that certain enders only give a mid (which with conditioning lets you throw), or not even any oki at all

>>731456407
I legit expected to be higher even the user scores considering how glazed this game is by fgc influencers, corporates, twitch, discord and riot haha.

How is GBVS doing? It was pretty fun back when I played it.

>>731484390
thats not realistic. its too hard to motivate people for that. you need a certain amount of critical mass to make things truly pop off.

even in the biggest old game turd strike I cant find many players at prime time open for matches. certainly not enough to learn all the matchups in the game.

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>>731484635
I'll check out Tekken ryona, my favorite is expressions.
I love when you see character's exaggerated beat up faces

>>731474395
This would be better if that was a girl instead of Yamcha

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>>731487843
Are you sure? I've been on 3rd strike recently and never once even at the worst hours not been able to get 3 bars. 3S probably has more people actually online than any game except sf6 and tekken 8. +R has less during bad hours but still enough to play. 3S in particular seems to have a lot of beginners as well. I'm in the US so maybe you're EU or something?

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>>731488640
Im EU yeah. This is what it looks like at 2:40pm on a saturday.
This is simply not enough for me to bother putting serious time into. And thats 3s, the biggest game, which I dont even care about.
For something like ST its rougher and stuff like Karnovs and CVS2 are GRIM.

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>>731446797
>Check xbox Top free games
>Listed by player count/popular
>2xko is second to fucking last
Jesus Chris

>>731488979
I see, I didn't think it'd be so heavily skewed towards NA. Not sure how much better it'd be but I'd still recommend giving +R a try if you're interested in it, it's $3 on sale and I know I've seen at least some EU players.

i think 2xko is way way better than tokon. Than game sucked dick, with something breaking the flow of combat every 2 seconds. Also i fucking hate the marvel ip. I hope if flops

>>731489419
Tokon beta was just repetitive because no training mode. Launch they'll hopefully make it as crazy as DBFZ has arrived at but on launch.

>>731489419
never gonna play ez input slop.

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>>731489516
>Get flashbacked to 2017 DBFZ
>First impression was decent at best and grow stronger because of MVCI
>Game released and weeks after, people began discovering the sauce
>Game is instant beloved and success
I doubt arcsys can replicate this but It'll be nice to see it again.

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>wanna play fightan for fun
>get raped anally for hours by unwashed sweats that moved to the new game from old ones
>stop playing
>repeat forever
inherently flawed genre
>just git gud bro
I don't like getting raped for 10 000 hours to be good later, I just want to have fun now

>>731459475
>game made a profit so it's good
hello mr shareholder

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>>731489221
>>731488979
EU +R isn't great, I just checked and there's <15 players that have an acceptable ping, and that's before you get into considerations like which character they play, or their skill level
During the week it's often down to 5 players, and you might just run into shit like this

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How retarded am I if I can't fully get the hang of MAX mode on 02 (UM) while I'm fine with the other versions including XV

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>>731447323
Based herds enjoyer, if only it didn't end so badly

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>>731451332
>someone posted an image and now I'm forced to respond
I don't even play these fucking games.

>>731481170
Injustice 2 has a lot of fun stuff in it, like the Multiverse and gear loadouts, which makes me want to play the single player content. But then I remember it's a Netherrealm game and that the combat is shit. It really is quite unfortunate.

>i don't play granblue because it's too simple
>said 3000 people
>who somehow never play more complex games

>>731477804
Old games doesn't count doofus but that's just HnK I guess.

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Rival Schools panties revealed by Boman!
First up: Hinata

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>>731494754
Next Up: Hinata's bloomers!

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>>731494864
Next Up: Natsu's bloomers!

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>>731495017
Next Up: Natsu's panties!

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Next Up: Sakura's!

And lastly, Tiffany's!
The others like Ran, Kyoko etc, either have office skirts that doesn't unfold or wearing spats or wearing pants like Akira

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>>731495290

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Don't mind me just being the coolest fighting game character to ever exist

>>731489097
Turns out a f2p game that wasn't popular on pc isn't gonna be popular on consoles especially when the performance is ass

>>731489097
It actually fully released already? Damn I didn’t even realize.

>>731496074
That's not Uranus

>>731453830
So he’s pretty much Gehrman from Bloodborne with the doll of Lady Maria

.

>>731496074
Why did I think this was Bradley from FMA

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>>731496074
*blocks your path*

>>731489097
oh hey, DoA5 is there around the middle.

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>>731475086
>>Game is also being absolutely eclipsed by SF6 in terms of actual player base engagement.
Not to defend 2XKO because I think it's bland as fuck, but every game is being eclipsed by SF6
I'm surprised COTW's S2 launch/dlc bundle has a shit ton of views

>>731486550
Still going strong, with the most active general, but no news of Season 3 guarantee is causing cope. Have yet to see if the situation will turn around, hold off on rejoining in case of player base meltdown.

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>After 22C I have to quickly run forward and do 632146A in the proper direction I'm facing to get optimal meter usage and screen advantage outside the corner
Might take a little practice since I had doing this for Carmine too.

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>>731501142
Okubo can't count to three, huh?

I have become more of a coomer lately and I would learn DOA if a new game released

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>>731501783
I'd play DoA if it was 2D

>>731501783
Same, I decided to buy DoA 6 for the meantime but I think everyone hated it because of the gauge they added

I'm glad the DLC releases are staggered for once. I feel like the last wave of DLC for fighting games had everyone coming out at once.

>>731501648
Typical trait among game devs

>>731486550
Still active but not that much like Strive, SF6 and Tekken 8. I'm sure arcsys is working on season 3.

>>731502568
No one cared about 6 because it initially toned down the coom with some of the new default outfits and physics while trying to get everyone to take it "seriously" as an FG; which they already tried and failed with base 5's "I'm a Fighter" marketing so I don't know why they did it again. Also outside of that gauge, which was a part of the new direction with the close up shots of people getting socked in the face it triggered, it was basically 5.5 so the actual players went back to 5 while the waifufags stuck with XVV.

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>>731446797
>fighting games thread
>only one fighting game is good and active (sf6)

>>731504996
>slime rushes u while playing hip hop music

>>731484191
>>731484464
It’s very ass backwards to design games that massively favor offense and then dump in a ton of defensive mechanics to try and reverse engineer a solution to a problem you created

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I like UNI2 when I'm not fighting the 50th akatsuki/enkidu or getting mauled in the corner by izumi or ogre. I just really like landing 66B with Vatista.

>>731505301
God I fucking hate Akatsukis. Absolute chimp out gorillas.

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>>731447323
>I unironically hate GBF VS because tertiaries are larping as if they love characters they never heard of outside of it.
cry me a fucking river faggot

I want GBVS to have a revival so i have an excuse to buy it because i really like the knight designs and djeeter

>>731506938
>revival
Anon it's getting active support and new characters, what more do you fucking want.

ARCSYS RELEASE GBVSR RISING SEASON 3 AND STRIVE 2.0 NOW AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

>>731507067
my stupid gay ass local people to play it

>>731507171
You can take a horse to water...

>know a guy who's kind of a douche
>claims to hate anything even remotely anime looking
>whenever fighting games come up he says he wishes he knew how to play them
>offer to teach him
>he only wants to learn guilty gear
>I dislike strive but I'll reinstall and teach him anyway
>he pussies out every time this comes up
just masturbate to bridget dude i know that's all you care about

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>>731446797
I just learned about a little game called Arcana Heart which has a character looking like this (that's her actual design, I'm not making that up) and I just keep thinking about it. Is there a reason to hope for AH4 or is the series dead like all the other good ones? I know AH3 is totally dead on Steam.

>>731504996
>good
kys

>>731507884
>Is there a reason to hope for AH4 or is the series dead like all the other good ones?
Examu, the developers of the game, as well as a bunch of other visual novel based fighters went bankrupt. The remnants of that company reformed as Team Arcana and they just put out Daemonbride.
AH3's Omega update still hasn't dropped but they're still around but I doubt they'd be able to create Arcana Heart 4 with updated graphics or something.

>>731507884
There's little to no hope for an AH4, and even if there was, it'd probably be stuck in exA-Arcadia hell. A shame because a higher visual quality Arcana Heart that's still a sprite fighter and still as fast sounds like a dream, but sadly it'll never happen.

>>731507884
People were already kvetching over the designs in Type Lumina, there's no way a """"""modern"""""" audience is going to accept Arcana Heart designs in the current year.

>>731509541
Especially not when BrianF sacrificed one of his testicles to decry little girls in fighting games.

>>731483529
>Overloaded with mechanics despite supposedly being a game for newfags. Pushblock, Retreating Guard, parry, universal charged heavies, handshake tag, tag launcher, DHC, multiple assists per character including super assist, wall bounce, ground bounce, combo limit if you use 2 of those in one combo (restores burst meter), two kinds of burst, and maybe some shit I'm forgetting. Marvel 3 is is mechanically very simple compared to this game.
I think you got pretty much all, only things I'd add is that characters have a universal crossup button that for some reason isn't (or wasn't) listed in the move list. Vi's stands out to me because it applies her ''shock'' effect. I don't know how much she can convert off that though
and when you block burst, the character goes into an unique, awkward as hell animation. it's awful. i saw someone drop their combo yesterday because of this
bonus: freestyle lets you block burst on reaction

Realistically what are the chances of a new fighting game coming out and NOT being a discord fighter after a few weeks? 2XKO was pretty much purpose built to achieve this and from what I can tell it's not doing very well. The only other hope is Tokon but I'm not expecting much there either. If you're not Street Fighter or Tekken it's pretty much over for you long term.

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>>731486550
its gonna be boosted by Ilsa, so it's a perfect opportunity to play when she drops

>>731510239
0.
The sad truth is normies don't need more than 1 fighting game the same way they don't need more than 1 GaaS f2p shooter. There's only room for one successful fighting game and that game is SF6, barring any major IP licensed titles like Dragonball.

>>731510239
You'd need huge brand appeal first so only something like a Naruto/Bleach/One Piece 2D fighter would probably become close.

>>731510239
2XKO lost a lot of its momentum even before release but that doesn't stop it from proving that F2P fighters wouldn't save the genre like the fucking retards said it would.

>>731510239
>Realistically what are the chances of a new fighting game coming out and NOT being a discord fighter after a few weeks?
That is a damn good question.
People are expecting Tocoom to be a blockbuster, but I have the ever so slight feeling that there's a chance it will just flop or underdeliver. Tocoom has been getting a lot of advertisement, but there's an over abundance of fighting games out right now. We'll see.
As for 2XKO, that game failed out of it's own accord.

>>731510239
A Budokai 4 official game would do it like DBFZ did.

Basically giant built in IPs will do the trick. Marvel Tokon will not be DOA either.

>>731510569
no, retard.
f2p is an open niche that riot could have filled if they didnt make the game a tag kuso with 10 characters after 10 years

>>731510239
2XKO was purpose built to appeal to 150 American tag crap enthusiasts.
>but simple inputs
Tag players don't care about that MvC2 already had QCF supers and they all stopped have DP inputs like a decade ago.

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>>731510781
Hello retard

>>731510341
Not just brand appeal, the developers too. Most people nowadays want their favorite franchise especially anime manga to have a fighting game made by arcsys because of their patented 2.5D graphics.

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>>731510903
>478
Cmon arcsys/cygames announce season 3 now...

>>731510903
>call someone a retard
>post tangible proof you're retarded yourself
every time
most people don't even know about grub's f2p mode, it's tagged as a ''demo'' in the steam store and poorly advertised. Diaphone, who used to advertise the f2p mode a lot, said most people simply do not know it exists
but even if they know, the f2p mode is good for trying out the game, but is shit for actually playing it f2p (unless you really enjoy Gran)

>>731453009
Too slow the game looks mad clunky.

>real f2p has never been tried
Okay sissy

>>731511080
> it's tagged as a ''demo'' in the steam store and poorly advertised
I still don't know why they don't just do one f2p game with a full game DLC unlock like DOA 5, 6, Killer Instinct and Dissidia FF NT. Are they that afraid of DLC cracks?
Their demo was fucking easy to crack. Sure the ones that pirate it got no cheevo and have the demo label of shame but they don't give af.

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I always get the ick when I see people in threads or servers use terms like "dodging" when people don't end up playing with them. Unironically egotistical and toxic. I don't want to spend 1 on 1 time playing a game with you if you're like this.

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Okay, what the actual fuck do I do against this shit?
>travels fullscreen
>invincible
if I try to jump on reaction I get hit or hell even anti aired as this shit has 0 recovery
if I block it, it's -2. surely it's my turn, right? UI Goku's fastest normal is 5L at 7f, so I just need to press anything faster than 9f, right? Except my fastest button is 5L at 6F which will WHIFF due to the spacing Godly Display automatically leaves UI Goku at. UI Goku's 5L, however, has a ridiculous range. and besides the ridiculous range, UI Goku's 5L is fucking level 3. LEVEL 3!!! How retarded is that? Even if I use my 9f 5M, it will get CRUSHED my UI Goku's 5L
Legitimately, what do I do against this? I don't have the DLC so I can't lab it

>We play for the vibes!
Love how the whole FGC right now kek on this.

>>731511776
Counter with raw lvl3 on reaction.

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>>731512170
>lv3 on reaction
>it whiffs because he side switches

>>731511861
its true who the fuck goes to compete at a tournament for the vibes? Nigga were there to win if you wanna vibe the spectator seats are there for you when you lose.

no fucking wonder nobody takes all these other Esports seriously this mindset is retarded.

>>731511727
t. dodger in the process of dodging

>>731511861
What are you trying to say? Fighting games are one of the most vibe-driven genres in existence and always has been. It's fueled by pure competitive spirit and player expression. It's why there's always been people taking their pet characters to tourney, because having a playstyle and character that you resonate with is more of a path to winning than just blindly picking the top tiers.

>>731507884
Not for a long time. It would die on arrival in today's market. There's no real anime fighter scene in Japan as long as SF6 exists, while the modern FGC thinks designs from Blazblue and old GG are too much. Toss AH at them and they will do everything they can to kill the game.

>>731512418
about 95% of any bigger tournament pretty much just join for the vibe.
potmonsters are the foundation.

>>731512618
This
Unless your scene is incredibly small, even games like Under Night have like half the entrants in a 100 man tournament be complete fucking nobodies who are just there for vibes because fighting games majors are basically conventions now, while smaller tournaments died off because only people who want to play are going.

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>>731446797

Fighting games are a genre where players like KBR can take team Big Bodies up against players like RayRay, LT, and Justin Wong and win in major, serious tourneys. I don't want to hear "you should switch off sucky characters instead of preserving your vibes" if Haggar of all characters is still able to compete and lay mad pipe in the right hands (please do not bring up the fact that he ultimately still lost to both of the finalist ZMC teams at Evo 2023)

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I want to go back to better times

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>>731513390
I heard her VA in an h-game. Was cute. I felt dumb not recognizing it sooner.

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>>731513390
Yes, good times for all.

>>731513550
Angela's VA is also in a h-game, she was a particular favorite in the VN community for years but she's graduated to super mainstream now.

>>731512618
The only thing keeping that structure viable is that the nature of having a direct opponent in a fighting game has kept anyone from figuring out something more casual like charity golf events or track days. I bet round robins for a plastic trophy so you're guaranteed to play a full schedule of matches could be more popular than going 0-2 with a big pot buy in though, you already see that format being used for vtuber shit.

>>731513160
I know the intent is to get me to drool over her feet, but those facial and mouth expressions are pissing me off

>>731513743
I'm not that surprised half of the roster are VN seiyuus. I mean the AH3 artist is a hentai artist.

>>731513881
round robin is just not feasible for events with like more than ten entrants thats why its usually reserved for invitationals.

>>731513970
Petra, Clarice, Dorothy, and Weiss definitely have the most recognizable voices, at least about 10 years ago. Most of them don't even have wiki pages.

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>>731513936
right.

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>>731515941

>>731516310
bumpo