What went wrong?
hoyo existing, unironically
Hour long rerolls.
Nobody asked for even more braindead genshin
>>731493862>Company that has only made a 2D chibi tower defense phone game tries making an open world 3D action game as their next projectThey were doomed to fail from the start, you can very clearly see they struggled hard when they were putting together the gameplay for this game. Hoyo and Kuro made HI3 and PGR before doing open world shit, which let them figure out the basics of making 3D games without having to also create a big world for the player to explore.
>>731493862Hold left click to win
>>731493862Game is really fucking boring. Factories in a big 3d world is a pain in the ass, should have been chibi
>>731493862>shit combat>tacked on factory building>no meaningful exploration>abysmal amounts of free currency>whale bait gacha system>mind numbing dialogue >silent protagonist>disastrous launchthey did literally everything wrong
>>731493862They half measured everything and now the game has no appeal
>>731493862
PLEASE just hand out some more spins or something this 0,8% drop rate is killing me
Retard friendly base building
>>731496168That anon gets it, the game is a paradoxIf the character gameplay isn't very satisfying, you wont be rolling for new characters as they're basically just skill spam flavor and offer nothing else, and if you're not rolling for new characters there's no point in building a factory to kit the characters you didn't roll for. And especially so when new characters don't do anything for the factory
>>731496525They're going to have to do character specific quests locked behind owning the character or else there's no point for rolling for anything
>>731496525>building a factorythe decision to tie factory building into gacha progression shows that the devs are retardedthe only time you will build anything remotely creative is literally right now post launchtwo weeks from now on some autist will develop the most optimal factory blueprint and that will be copy pasted by everyone until the end of the time.not using that blueprint will mean you are missing out on timegated gacha progression which effectively kills any creative freedom in the factory mode.
>You don't have to roll for charactersI did not extensively play lots of gachas, but isn't that true for most gachas anyway?You can complete the story with a basic team as long as you do the basic level-ups, and everything else is a cherry on top? Even in AK you could finish every map with 4 stars.>>731496168I believe it would be a thousand time worse to NEED to roll for a movement-specifi character, that means you'll lock exploration content for a single character, that's awful, even worse for the factory.
Got the limited redhead with my free 10 tickets, how am I supposed to get her weapon? I don’t even want it to tryhard, it’s just that the only intellect sword I have looks ugly on her.
>>731496874>two weeks from now on some autist will develop the most optimal factory blueprint and that will be copy pasted by everyone until the end of the time.That's a really bas point, tons of people a following meta guides to be "efficient", like rolling characters they hate but that are meta to make content easier.Even in original AK you had guidefags would would simply watch youtube videos on how to play the maps.The devs even included a share feature for factories, for I think this is a moot point, you'll always have people who don't want to properly engage with the game due to a gacha's nature.
>>731496889It's fun using new Operators in Arknights because they all have unique kits and the gameplay systems leads to each feeling different, unique and fun.Endfield's combat is something I'd rather not play, doesn't matter which characters doesn't matter what I just don't want to play it it's not fun
>>731496979>Got the limited redhead with my free 10 ticketsThere's a free 10 ticket on the limited banner?Where?
>>731493862It feels like they mixed a bunch of shit from different games with zero cohesion. It's the same problem CZN has.
>>731496986The point is that after you're done building there's nothing to be done with the system. You don't ever go back to it, there's no reason to keep interacting with it. It's something you do it once and then you're left with subpar combar
>>731497043They gave it out in the mail
>>731496994I don't know I think this will be refined down the line.Y1 AK was just "killbox eveything", and now people are complaining the mechanics are too hard.
>>731497167Killbox wasn't even a term back thenThe gameplay systems of Endfield don't lead to anything interesting, the party being present in the field don't actually do anything to contribute to the gameplay they're just around
Too many fucking menusWhy the fuck can't chink gacha devs make a game that doesn't involving navigating through 100 fucking menus and a dozen different currencies and have everything take you into separate sub menus with different shit going on all with various tacked on systems and pure fucking garbageI dropped WWM for the same retarded reason.
>>731497235>the party being present in the field don't actually do anything to contribute to the gameplay they're just aroundI agree, it's obviously a remain from the original battle system.I'm just saying most gachas don't use their full potential right away. I think they got something cool, but they have to refine it.
Infinite menus, boring factory gameplay. Combat is bad and also unimpressive visually. Seriously all these ults and skills have zero visual effects-
>>731497134Damn, I got nothing
>>731497298They'd have to completely rework the combat and after years and years and so many tests and feedback THIS is what comes out I've no faith they're able or willing to
>>731496986negro if you dont have the most efficient factory blueprint then you are getting X% less gear/currency every single fucking daythe whole factory mode is retarded because you have either two fucking choices>make your own suboptimal shit and suffer huge gacha progression>copy paste the most optimal blue print and never touch this game mode againthere is no "timmy doesnt want to properly engage with the game"if you play the game for more than 1 week, you will be forced to do the second option or progress fucking nowhere
>>731497380I got 3 pandas in a row
>>731493862gachaslopmany such cases
>>731493862I only played arknights for a month because tower defense isn't really my thing and I don't like playing on my phone but also don't want emulators on my desktop (remember when microsoft said they would have native google play support and then they decided to abandon the project? I member). I kept an eye from time to time when bored at work on whatever the arkfags were saying and they were mostly shilling the story and music. I have to say that so far (rank 49 on endfield) I have been negatively impressed by both. On top of that the game is jewish even for gacha standards, I dread the currency income once I'm done with exploration. The combat is also dogshit. Graphics are better than other gachas but that's not much of an achievement really but at least I'm glad they didn't go with unreal shartgine like wuwa did.
>>731497546Isn't the factory mostly tied to creating new gear?It doesn't seems THAT critical
>>731497728Gear and premium currency, both which are hard capped each week
>>731493862This is doing worse than a game with multiple major dramas btw
>>731497134I believe this is chartered pulls. Not firewalker pulls.
>>731493862Why are you a spiky-haired, ugly, brown, malnourished SEAmonkey with a stupid name like Rizky Chingchong De la Rosa Escalera Mangangarang Abdhula who makes the same thread over and over again? Shouldn't you be checking the trash cans for Pag-Pag? Go collect plastic bottles to sell and pay for your rolls in Gayshit Homopact male banners, or kill yourself.
>>731495057>mfw project moon wants to make a 3D action RPG too
>>731493862Shitty devs that are trying to rob everyone at launch.
>>731496168there's no nostalgiabait for arknights fans because the game literally takes place on a another planet and they shit on every single thing arknights built upon
>>731498364The entire prologue is nostalgiabaitThere's a giant statue of Patriot right then and there
>>731493862Why won't gachas just copy fire emblem?
>>731495057They could have just made a prettier gacha version of the Sanctum gameswould have been a natural progression
>>731498582There's already a fire emblem gacha
>>731498585It should just be simple and straight to the point, see Uma and nikke.A big exploration world needs an interesting world, like it or not genshin at least managed to have a good map
>>731498645So it's just one. Meanwhile you have tons of open world and action ones. Besides fe one is chibi
>>731498845because LE 3D!!! LE OPEN WORLD!!! are appealing to fucking mouthbreathing retards rather than actual gameplay
>>731498909Azure promare will flop too. All they had to do is remake azur lane as some turn based game and new comfy story
I have played for 7 hours and enjoyed it. The amnesia thing was dumb but since I know nothing about the previous game I got over it quick. The fighting is good standard RPG game just by holding left click but positioning and dodging. Combat is good enough that if you are not a brainlet you interrupt most lethal attacks. Killing lvl 30 enemies as 12 is doable as long as the aren't spammy dps which I like.
>>731499329>Combat is good
>>731497913What's that?
>>731499438girls frontline 2
>>731493862The factory is too limited
No sex mechanics
>>731494185>but hoyo is alright
>Not a single natural 6* after 70 rolls or soDamn
>>731493862Idk but I have gacha fatigue. How do people play more than 1 of these games? They just literally dont play other games?
>try it the day before>it bsod's my computerWas a good way to remind me to update my card drivers that said, went from version .5 something to .9 something, hadn't done it in like a year and a half, maybe two
>>731493862Boring setting and uninteresting narrative. Combat is probably salvageable and i don't even think its that bad, but its hard to change the narrative foundation of your game. They dumped so much marketing into this that it's weird that it ended up this limp wristed.
>>731493862Is there really a big overlap gacha and factorio audience? Seems random.
>>731493862is this shit actually flopping among normies and chinks or they are enjoying this absolute slop?
>>731500456The game is a mix everything the director played and liked
>>731500629It's not a complete flop but it's not doing good either
There's some nice foundations, but they need to polish everything out.The onboarding is the absolute worst thing, but one you get the game rolling, it's pretty good and interesting to play.The combat is cool when you trigger all the reaction stuff, but i think it lacks a little something.Factory is fine, they couldn't go harder, but I assume in the next locations they should add challenges and more restrictions, like obstacles or such.The tower defense is really tame though, coming from AK which is a TD game, it's surprising.I think they got a very nice base for everything, but they'll have to iron out everything.Characters are pretty, BUT I think the base characters are quite a letdown compare to base AK.
>>731493862They tried to appeal to the minimum denominator player with a factory game, calling them retard is a understatement, the game would have work much more if they just double down on factory and exploration autism and make a game for those people, instead of the frankestain they have now.
the girls are just not that interesting and blend all together
Is this cutie like the only character that is not absolute slog to play?I just pulled the limited fire bitch and I dont even want to play her because she is so boring compared to this cutie or even bursty gameplay of Endmin
>>731493862wujeets writers... perhaps i was too harsh on you...the storytelling is so fucking bad, no wonder the game has a lukewarm launch after all that giga shilling marketing
>>731501276I remember wuwa being shat on so hard, but at least that had some conversation going on. Here its fucking silent.
>>731493862Nothing, it's the greatest game ever made. FUCK YOU!!!! MODS!!!
>>731493862Boring story, world building and combat. Too many tutorials and daily crap to keep track of compared to other gacha in it's class. If I didn't roll Surtr so early I probably would have dropped it. At least the visuals are good.
Were there worse tutorials in entire history of gaming?
>>731497913>drama #1>Raymond NTR!!!!!>You are the commander. You abandon your dolls for 10 years. Daiyan made a friend during that time of need when she felt lost and lonely (majority of humans hate dolls)>but Oh no, that friend is male! And because China and SEAfags are insecure as fuck, a male character talking with one of your 1000 girlfriends?! CHEATING WHORE!!!!!!! KILL KILL KILL!!!!I read a translation of the event and it honestly is a fucking nothing burger. Daiyan at multiple times even says that she is happy now as the Commander is back in her live. I will never understand these bug people>drama #2>Klukay Skingachathis one is more valid; in CN the much hyped Klukai skin was released with an unannounced skin gacha. There was also another skin for Makiatto, which had an interaction planned 1 year prior to that skin's release. That interaction, whose skin many CN players bought for the interactive element, was now part of the skin gacha and not part of the skin itself. You needed 200 pulls on the gacha to guarantee Klukays skin (but no one elses) and you cant use f2p currencies for these rolls.Cn was (rightfully) outraged and Global felt the need to pump out misinformation en masse, confusing the waters. they """""fixed""""" the situation by reducing max needed pulls to 100 for Global and they gave everyone the interaction for free and everyone who buys the Makkiato skin will get the interaction aswell (seriously that one was scummy and should have been freeby default, considering the marketing).vs>Boring as fuck gameplay loop>FUCKING ACTUAL MONEY THEFTI rather have pseudo-ntr in my game than my game giving random people access to my bank account. The fact Endfield is doing as well as it does is a wonder
>>731502261How come people don't care about the males in nikke?
>>731502261>The fact Endfield is doing as well as it does is a wonderit's not. It 3.4 on google play. It should be at least a 4. And HG is now blocking rerollers
>>731501469tl;dr?
>>731498305>he didn't see the latest stream
>>731502550Game with 2 dramas and a hatebase is better than a bad game
>>731502370when everyone is a whore caring about muh loyalty doesn’t matter, same reason people play the taimanin even trough has some of most hardcore porn known to man.
>>731502261>vs>Boring as fuck gameplay loop>FUCKING ACTUAL MONEY THEFTadd theseseriously, the fuck was the point of all their betas
>>731502550CN don't like it
>>731499412It is literally a Final Fantasy / Xenoblade game in disguise. Hold left click for auto attacks and reposition. Dodge for energy. Know what your abilities do and chain them well with the party. Have a party combination that enables you to chain 4 combos or at least reach elemental bursts. If you suck just ease off the dps and let Ai team mate get agro. Positioning to multi hit clear mobs are farming style. Use debilitating combo's on high priority mobs. Q swapping with your team. The combat gameplay flows well
>>731502550They wanted genshin players to play a game about factory optimization, you can guess the rest, also they are very predatory with the pulls
>>731502370for starters, the game is very open with the Nikkes being sexually active, either with other men, with other nikkers or with the actual commander. Plus giant asses will already attract the "made for BBC" crowd so I wager that some would even enjoy the prospect of cuckolding.Meanwhile in GFL1, Dolls being hated by everyone but the Commander was the norm. So you automatically attract the islamic incel crowd (Harem for me but not for thee)I suppose thats part of it. I mean in my month of playing Nikke, them being horny was something i learned early and fast.>>731502534my point is that it should be at the bottom of the bin, not in the middle.>>731502679>Alpha test footage was released>looks like Tales Of, thats neat we dont have a gacha for that style of gameplay!>devs reveal the responses they got from alpha testers>"uhhh... this isnt genshin? Why isnt this genshin? It should be like genshin"there you have it. We got a more boring version and dumbed down combat because of alpha testers whining the different game isnt the other game.
>>731502752Not it's literally just HI3 style combat except you can do all skills and bursts without switching to characters.>but muh assistsThat was already in HI3, like I said, it's the same system, just presented in a fresh way. I don't mind, I like it
hoyojeets having a melty
>>731502816>They wanted genshin players to play a game about factory optimization, you can guess the restHalf of player made games in Genshin Roblox are about base management. Can we stop pretending this is some kind of hiqh IQ strategic genre? It's a genre of neverending busywork, that's why it works well in gacha
It's gachashit. With gay ""males"" on the base pool at that.Does anything else need to be said? literally the only way you're gonna get me to """"""play"""""""" this shit is if the MC gets to kiss and fuck the girls you pull for especially if femc can do the same
>>731502917I predict that the rating will go even lower by Monday. For some reason I saw it at 3.2.> it should be at the bottom of the bin, not in the middle.It already is lol. They really needed this weekend to be great, not mediocre or poor for such a "big" game.
>>731503232>Another tranny
>Jump button>Dash button>can't Dash in mid-airchinks are incapable of basic fun movement
>>731502370The story is good
>>731503232>gay males yuck eww cringe>but... i wanna be the lil princess uwuI will never understand transsexual people
>>731502261>drama #1Without any context, and only having voice clips to go with, its really easy to misinterpret the whole thing. Especially with how the voices are being directed in both languages.>Boring as fuck gameplay loop>FUCKING ACTUAL MONEY THEFTJust that? Even Wuwa got a worse launch, but it had everyone talking.
I wish they had leaned more into the team combat. Drop the energy bar and let team mates perform their skills on their own without your input. Add some simple AI scripting system like old CRPGs and have the depth come from how you tell your teammates to play and interact with each otherAs combat is now it just feels half baked, like why can you even switch characters?
>>731504368>500€ from my bank account got stolen by someone playing a badly designed gacha game>I was pretty bummed out about it.>But I think whoever used my money for their gambling addiction is more happy to on my expense than I am sad to get robbed. (the total happiness in the world increased)>So, whatever~
>>731504368You must be a retard to think wuwa bugs on release it's worse than someone losing 15K dollars because Eldfield jeet levels of code can't handle Paypal
How can Endfield be saved?
>>731504863by deleting it and giving all the budget to Limbus Company
>>731504676>>731504814We're talking about gachafags, the kind of players who are more than happy to have their wallets stolen by a corporation. For all their supposed hatred against jewery they're incredibly forgiving for practices like this.
its amazing they put all these effort into something so mediocre, visually the game looks great and it runs like butter
>>731504883Is woth playing Lobotomy Corporation and Library Of Ruina before limbus?
>>731503806Can't have complex movement in a mobile game.
>>731504958They like wasting their money by gambling retard, not by giving their money away for free in a paypal scam.
>>731493862need to wait to see how much it’s making could be everyone saying it’s shit but still be making 60mil or more
>>731502679>the Myth 2 drive delete on uninstall is backAnd you told me chinese games had no soul.
>>731493862>dogshit gameplay>factory autism>shit characters>one of the worst gacha mechanics, forcing people to reroll or spend thousands to get the character they want>Gacha is know for having dogshit story, but this one is specially bad with a bunch of yap fest>Paypal scam>gay furries charactersI could probably find more reasons why this is one the worst releases in gacha history
>>731505025god yes
>>731493862Im at the chink area (25-30 hours). The story has been tedious for the most part.
>>731505025yes its very worth it but those games are massive brainlet filters and you might need a guide or cheats if you aren't dedicated enough
I for some reason always thought amiya was a donkey
>>731505514>>731505660ok, will get them during the next sale
>>731493862should I play this game? shills do not need to reply
>>731493862literally everything
>>731505779Do you like getting scammed? If so, go forward
>>731505779Nah. I played it for 3 nights and after the first major boss fight you go through a slew of factory tutorials and by the time I was done with those I realized I didn’t actually want to do anything the game was telling me to do next. I won’t say the game is bad, it’s decent for what it is, but there are just so many better games you can be playing and spending your time on. MAYBE if you fall into the narrow demographic of an open world action RPG fan that also wants to deal with factory stuff in a gacha game that’s very stingy with rewards it’s worth trying.
>>731493862Yet ANOTHER genshin clone
i don't get how the story went from "there's this disease killing half the world's population" to "we're colonizing a new planet"
Is monthly even worth it? I feel like this gacha system shits both on f2p and non f2p unless they are giga whales.
>>731493862They had something unique in the early betas but they were too scared of turning away the genshin audience so they just made another fucking hoyo clone.The game looks genuinely great from a art perspective but everything else is a complete mess.
>>731493862>run through half a quest>can't continue because you need a tetris piece >go to tetris piece on map>can't get it until you go through a different side quest>see a bomb wall or electric fence>have to go all the way back to factory because you didn't get bombs or relay to that part of the map yet>have to scrap and rebuild the fucking factory constantly because lack of power and space and terrible pacing of getting new shit and learning how to use it >login>have to manually go to each region's recycling to get the upgrade parts every day (open map, open filter, clear filter, filter only recycling spot, find and track it, teleport near it, run/zip over to the spot x 6 or so)>just as well these maps are so great since you will be running around it 1000 times, such as "green fields with rocks", and eventually "yet another chinawank". >stamina modes only give basic mats, advanced mats you have to run to fucking stupid mushroom fields every day, later you can grow them but if you missed some in the first few days enjoy being hardstuck at level caps without them)>amazing side content such as; [delivery] (walk across the map. AGAIN), and [extraction shooters are currently trending] (repeat the exact same map whilst hardlocked behind resistance upgrades to get a bit further each time)
Those simple attacks in the trailer were a red flag
So what changed?
>>731507098the game being so dull and the graphics being outdated were also red flags.
>>731505779It has a few different things from other open slop gachas.Party members battle with you.Production line is simple, so it's great for retardos like me.Combat is good enough.Girls are meh, nothing interesting about any of them.I'm a skip CHAD so I can't tell you about the story.t. dropped genshin after 5 years, still play Wuwa
>>731507203The sovl was removed
I doubt they can even bounce back, unlike wuwa who was rough at the start but had a very satisfying gameplay endifeld is the literal equivalent of stale bread, they should literally put an auto button for encounters instead of wasting time just holding down the mouse buttonit would need a complete revamp of the game and I doubt they will cause of how jewish they are
>>731507505Same stuff as usual, no innovation...like playing the same game
Shoulda had procedurally constructed 3D stages like in Warframe but you build tower defense outposts that are supplied by your factories and then you can still have your genshin-style (or Xenoblade or whatever) fighting inbetween the defense towers or cleaning up what the towers couldn't kill which would become a natural segue into bossfights
>>731505779it's the sloppiest gacha slop for retarded mass consumers and gooners
>>731507961>For mass consumerIf anything, the factory will filter everyone
>>731508161Its too shallow for people that like itIts not hard but it's hundreds of tutorial prompts make so that casuals quit
>>731508161no one is liking this little bro not even gooners
>>731493862Greed. It always greed.If they would made it 80 pity without 50/50. Everyone would talk how it's best gatch game in existance.
>>731508491and the pity carrying over
>>731507961that's not brown dust 2
>>731507505>>731507726Blame alpha testers.They said they wanted a less demanding, less engaging experience
>>731507961>AK>GoonersLol even Genshit is more goonerbait than prudefield
>>731495057>Company that has only made a 2D chibi tower defense phone game tries making an open world 3D action game as their next projectAzur Promilia bros... I don't feel too good...
>>731495057Have you seen the 3D animated PV's for arknights 1? They have been struggling with it for the longest time.
>>731508713Or maybe they shouldn't try to hop on the bandwagon without experience when their only game was a 2D chibi TD game but wanted GI money but no ideas howLike MHY and Kuro already had 3D games before so they knew what their strong points wereIf the devs didn't had a clue of what to do, anything works for them
>>731509057the alpha gameplay looks actually so much better than the current combat.
>dull combat>boring story>basic factory gameplay>too much chores>tutorial build on top of tutorial>safe horny design>bad music>will steal your money
>>731508863The problem isn't the world, if anything, it's the best part.
>>731507203less tactics
The game is growing on me, I kinda like it.I think the main issue with the combat is the combos between characters aren't very obvious and the enemies are HP sponge.
>>731503398>>731504350I knew you would get buttmad, seethe shartytroon.
>i was mereley pretending to be retardedYou look like a retard and act like a retard. so you must be a retard. Your headcanon of acting in bad faith means nothing.
>still seethingThis is amazing.
>>731507203That looks just as bad as what we have now.
I think the gacha market has reached its limit, pretty much everything that's released recently has done meh or just terrible on launch. The entire playerbase is already hooked on one of the existing gachas and there's no players left for the new ones.
>launch game via shortcut to launcher>close epic games account link pop-up>close epic games >play the gamegod i hate this piece of shit
How would you fix it then?
>>731510818I'm seeing some aim for GTA heights, but after that I have no idea what comes next. Everyone just has higher expectations, and no one's able to deliver.
>>731510818It's more that endfield wasn't the next gen experience. It feels like a mmo and designed for a covid lockdown era
>>731507203the hit indicators are gone, you can't miss anymore unless the enemy literally dies before your skill animation finishes
>>731510818I agree.The gacha system limits the potential of the game at ton right off the bat
How do you fuck up a launch so bad you have to refund literally every purchase made?
>>731510818it hasn'tthe issue is that all the 3D ones after genshit are entirely derivative, they're just different flavors of the same shit
>>731510818ironically i think there would have been an advantage in a gacha game like Endfield going more niche in order to peel off people that would rather budget their time on more niche gachas than generic ones
>Chinese yapfest with dogshit gameplay designed from the ground up to mentally terrorise asian wagies into spending thousands of dollars out of fomoWhy the fuck do people play these? If you paid 60 dollars for a game with this gameplay you'd be fucking pissed but spending hundreds of dollars for the passes and top ups or whatever everyone's a-okay?
>>731511198Only the ones made through PayPal and chinks don't even use PayPal so the majority of their potential customers were unaffected. Still the single biggest fuck up ever made by any gacha that wasn't total shovelware with 0 budget.
>>731511332>gambling addiction>terminal anime gooners>0 up front cost so it's easy to start and then get baited into spending by FOMO mechanics once you've invested time into the game
>>731511383I still don't quite understand how the paypal fuck up works. Can people just choose to charge their purchases to another person's paypal when they whale or what?
>>731508968>>731495057Aside from a few exceptions arknights 3D PVs are basically:>look at this 3D object (or objects) in a ray traced scene>we're going to rotate it>we're going to move the camera too>the endMakes sense that they'd be in uncharted waters once they had to multiply their character animation by 10x.
>>731511332Its so obvious now the excessive yapping is by design in all these fucking games too. Probably some stupid "they have to spend this much time to get free currency or we lose spending incentive" bullshit. Im so glad I dropped any game with word bloat. Games are way more enjoyable without it.
>>731511515supposedly they fucked up the API for when you save your payment details in such a way that it effectively gave you a random paypal account each time you bought somethingso if you saved your details, your details might have been shuffled into someone else's account, and their saved details got switched with someone else's and so onno idea how that happens though
>>731495057>gameplayyou act like that's something these companies even care about anymore
>>731511646Arknights story is completely skippable but it keeps on yapping more than it should
>>731511662zamn. so even the payment is gacha huh
>>731511778>awful gameplay that you wouldn't accept in an actual game you pay money for>people consider it a positive iwhen you're allowed to skip the story>no coomer female designs and male characters in the poolliterally who is the target audience and what do they get out of chinese gachas
>>731511930I dunno Fluorite makes me diamonds at least
>>731512163She makes other lizards hard too so you're not alone here
>>731512163She's useless in my team..
>>731509810Dude, the world is extremely basic, it's just a pretty backdrop. There is no interactivity with any of the environment, terrain or objects and I have never run into so many invisible walls in s supposedly "open world" game.Probably a large part of why this game runs so well is because there is basically nothing going on.
Bunny
I'll just collect my free gobs while I wait for the inevitable relaunch
>>731513430I mean, sure, I agree, but what game can label itself with a super-interactive world?GTA, I guess, then you have the RPGs, but that's not what that game is.Literally no "open world" gacha is interactive in any way unless you interact with the story.Plus this game isn't open-world, it's pretty much area-based
>>731510818It's this generations World of Warcraft dilemma. Genshin Impact is WoW and all of these other games think they can just make WoW as well and be successful. The mobile market is gargantuan compared to the old PC MMO market though, so there is actually some room for competitors.While I agree we are saturated on open world games, there is definitely room for other genres. The problem is, the constraints of being a mobile game and monetizing characters massively limit creativity. Even Endfield, which is barely different from Genshin/Wuwa, has fucked up because the factory gameplay is disconnected from the character monetization.
>>731495057>Company that has only made a 2D chibi tower defense phone game tries making an open world 3D action game as their next projectThis literally isn't true btw. And anyway Endfield is an extremely competent end product, its failings are not from any technical shortcomings
So if the game is bombing what happens nowDo they go really f2p friendly or all in on whale baiting before the inevitable eos?
>>731513810>has fucked up because the factory gameplay is disconnected from the character monetization.It's not the first time I see that, and I'm not sure how it is relevant.No gacha game I know of has such side content, so it's basically a plus. Why would anyone complain that you finally don't have to grind banners in a gacha game to tap into the full potential of the gameplay?
>>731514041It's not a complaint from a consumer standpoint, but an observation from a business standpoint. You sell the characters to people through two mechanisms. It's either "I want this character because I like them (and I want see them on my screen more while I play) or "I want them because they are strong and will help me win". During factory gameplay, neither of these desires are fulfilled.
>>731512163>FlouriteAntal is so lucky...
>>731514345Ho, I that case I concur.Well too bad for them I guess, but maybe their logic is "If the user connect on one or more of our system, maybe they'll get more hooked".We'll see, I guess.
>>731513918If they switch to Wuwa system they can make it, it's friendly enough. I built 4 teams with their weapons
>>731501469>gatcha brains are shocked that the game is greedyThey'll eventually learn, right?
>>731514516I want this shit to end, all that greed
>>731514759We are literally living in one of the greediest moment in history anon, enjoy the show.
>>731514759It never will so long as you play anything made by a studio of greater than 30 employees.Even then it's no guarantee.
>>731514516For context, Arknights was considered "the generous" gacha.
>>731515225>sure I'm eating shit but this turd has bits of corn in it
>>731515359He's right thoughAK was relatively nice in terms of rates and such
>>731503073>Half of player made games in Genshin Roblox are about base managementShitty half-assed simple base management*
>>731503073>>731515596Miliastra is completely optional and you're meant to play it with friends.
>>731515474It doesn't matter, the concessions a game has to make to its design to account for being a gatcha inevitably make it an inferior game. This is why even when a gatcha decides to go clean and remove its gatcha elements and become a buy to play game instead it feels off. It was never designed to have satisfying progression or good balance. It was designed to make you want the overpowered character of the week.
>>731515474You are too hopeless to understand what anon meant
>no (you) girls>Homo>No loils >Even the hags are midWho is this even for?
>>731503073But the gacha has no impact on the base management. From what I have seen the game has two seperate game types combined half-hazardly and the gacha mechanics they do have has an extremely low amount of times you can use it which is actually a game killing move for people who are on a train for most of their day commuting.
The game is okay. It's better than Genshin Impact, better than Wuthering Waves, better than Zenless Zone Zero, better than Honkai Star Rail.The problem is, it's just not much better. Everything is sanitized and designed in a very, for a lack of better work, corporate Chinese way. It's a pretty good anime game, if you can call it that, but a mediocre normal game.This is without taking gacha into account of course, which is always a negative in my opinion gacha mechanics aren't any worse than solo ladder/ranking in team-based random matchmaking games but you can just ignore that and still play the game. Better yet, you don't even need anyone than the basic characters you get from free rolls, so I have no idea who will actually spend money on this game. Then again Genshin earns millions.
>>731493862>a couple of thingsEvery character has human ears to go along with their animal ears and it's fucking off-putting.There's dudes in the Gacha pool, which should just be illegal.The game itself is okay, it's just boring ZZZ mash Square gameplay but the animations aren't as good, to be fair It is easily one of, if not outright the best looking anime games ever on PS5 Pro, every Gacha game looks like Dogshit compared to Endfield in terms of fidelity and texture quality. Good graphics, good music and good haptics however isn't really going to get me to spend money on this game, when it has a shit story and uninspired enemy and fight design, where you play as another amnesiac blank slate protagonist. The game really expects you to be all knowing on Ark Knights lore
>>731516039>Who is this even for?Arknights fagsThe fags that always brag about their deep story and how the girls all want to fuck someone else instead of the MC
>>731516472>It's better than Genshin Impact, better than Wuthering Waves, better than Zenless Zone Zero, better than Honkai Star Raillol, lmao
it didnt fail tho
>>731516597It even looks good on my old phone
oof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItrsvQKOWYU
>>731502550The sort of people who play games like this in CN are the sort of degenerates who just want to log in, take pictures of their waifu, kill sosme big monster in the soan of ten minutes, and log out.
playing ake made me miss genshit on its heyday
>>731517454yeah rip
>>731516875It is though.
>>731493862zoomies filtered by basic factory mechanics.
>>731513467>has the only slightly interesting playstyle in the game>acts like a slutty Stacy it's avywenna's game, and we're just (not) playing it.
I'm 10 hours into this shit and I've only ever done like 50 rolls. Where do you even get the remaining 70 to pity? This is some next level stinginess what the fuck.
>>731519269Zoomers just use shared meta blueprint. What else you have left to brag about?
>>731516875NTA, I did not play Wuwa.It's juuust a bit more complex than GI, because you have trigger attacks.ZZZ is deep as a puddle, it's basically the same complexity and HRS is basically an auto-attacker but in turn-based.
Factory building, like Factorio? No way, right?
>>731519703You rolled past one?!I got a guy on my first pull and immediately deleted the game.
>>731519958Your factory can get REAL autistic
>>731520756Looks worse than Satisfactory so no thanks. But thank you for sharing.
>>731493862>What went wrong?Severe lack of HORSE PUSSY
>Can bump into party members and shove them around
>>731507961>GoonersThere's no fanservice and the bitches are (mostly) covered up
>>731520756It's all flat whats the point of it being 3D if its all flat
>>731521238It's very important
>>731519912Endfield is a better game, but only by a bit. In comparison to shit it comes on top of the pile.If Chinks learned how to make gameplay the same way they learned how to make visuals and audio, they'd finally start making good games.
>>731521683Story needs to improve too, in all gacha
desu the more i play the more i kinda feel a sense of pity or embarrassment that it's falling flat the world is super detailed and well optimized and the techno aesthetic seems to have some thought to it
>>731522140I hope they turn it around somehow, a game that can run this well on my shitbox in the year of our lord 2026 doesn't deserve to die in the dirt.
I uninstalled after the Yvonne mission. Yap yap yap, holy fuck it's unbearable.
>>731522140HG fucked up listening to the complaints of genshitters. The alpha test in 2024 was much smoother of an experience.
>>731493862Not enough coom
I was interested in it because the character designs and models are top tier. But the game is boring. A bad story can at least be entertaining, Endfield is just boring.
>>731510123They have like a million tutorials about everything else, but the game doesn't put much attention on ensuring your gear and weapons are updated.Which is why there's all these complaints about damage sponges once Exploration level 2 is unlocked. People aren't finding the resources for weapon tuning or upgrading operators past level 20.
>>731522881Yes, I agree. I watched the tecnical test and while it was rough, the combat was more like a RTWP crpg and that is way better.
Now we wait for Silver Palace and experience disappointment again!
It's a genuine 5.8/10 experience.Combat is simpler than Genshin, let that sink in.Exploration feels like moving in Dynasty Warriors 2 or Monster Hunter Tri.There are all these Death Stranding elements that don't work.The AIC Factory stuff is cluttered with tutorials and does not mesh with the ARPG elements at all.The UI itself is a mess of screens all having different context switches.Characters have 0 utility ("When you use this attack, the enemy gains this effect").The writing is dull and kills any interest in the characters.The story is STILL using the same amnesiac MC glazing as every other game.The main enemies of the game are a step down from Arknights and feel stupid and unthreatening.There's no immediate story to latch on to outside of the great introduction sequence.It's painful to play, and that's someone who waiting 3 years for this.
>>731523371That already looks mid and boring as hell
>>731523490I think it looks fun so far.
>>731523410>Characters have 0 utility ("When you use this attack, the enemy gains this effect").this isn't true, only mostly true. There are defenders and buffers and healers and self buffers and sp batteries. I think all of those are also actually useful aside from defenders
>>731523410comon bro i love fighting rockdog, and rockdog 2 (large)then when i fought pack of guys and a girl, holy fuck i actually pogged out loud
>>731523763Why is this spacefacing breakaway civilization with guns and magic losing to rockdog
>>731523753Defenders are a leftover from when you couldn't actually just dodge attacks they really don't fit with the game right now
>>731523371Sick and tired of these high budget games being limited to just another Genshit clone.
>>731517454I actually just sat through this whole video, it's pretty fucking good and I agree with everything in it. The devs should be forced to watch it.
it sure is funny that the main mobile game basically got abandoned for this.
>>731523917SP doesn't really look like Genshit though. Isn't it just one big city? I didn't see any biomes or whatever.
>>731523943people playing og arknights have zero self respect>company channels hundreds of millions into a literal genshit clone>meanwhile the base game still doesnt have even the most basic quality of life features like sweepsits like genshit all over again with homoyo channeling billions into literally anything but genshit itself
>>731523943We're about to hit 3 years without any RA updates babyyyyyyy
>>731523371This and Ananta looks way too good to be real, let's how the game actually plays out when the CBT drops.
>>731523879because they're actually rock beetledogs
>>731524087But that's a good thing because fuck Genshit
>>731517454>That jump in views from yesterdayZamn, did a reactionsloper react to it?
>>731524087they have negative self respect, they rim the shit out of hypergryph's asshole like you wouldn't believe, i simply don't understand where that comes fromi have some favorite games but i still don't think of their devs as nearly a family member like that
>>731517454>90 minutes
>>731524087as someone that used to daily log in from release for years, i quit just before they announced endfield publically because i could tell they were neglecting the game.like there's no way a game that made that much money has this little content. they started spending money on re-voicing all the characters in english and chinese for no reason and i don't think they've even managed to voice all of them yet.
>>731493862>Try it>absolute snorefest lore>whatever atleast I can get pretty girls>slog through msq and factorio bullshit to complete newcomer mission>finally first 6 star>get flat pretty girl>wait why shes sound like a man>she's a boy>ryangoslinggodamnit.webm>okay fine I can farm featured banner currency>lmao you can only get 40 exclusive banner rolls and you need 120 to guarantee>mrwI wasted 9 hours of my life for this game
>>731520756>Tiny factory for babiesLmao
>>731493862Same as western AAA devs trying to please everyone and heavy handholding so even sub 80 IQ retards can play it.
>>731524453Arent you white? They love those long form slop video essays.
>>731521815Original Arknights has a decent lore and some events are pretty nice. That said Endfield is just a neutered conclusion of that story, you literally find a grave for major characters of Arknights ten minutes in.
Final strike should have a unique effect for each character.Now you just pick who has the fastest combo animation and/or who is ranged.
>>731493862What race is Last Rite?
>>731524747Wife
Which one is the better gacha sequel, Arknights Endfield or Girls frontline 2?
>>731524836Limbus 2
>>731524836gfl2 at least is still a (dumbed down) strategy game, that didn't throw literally everything away
>>731524836Endfield is Arknights just in name.
>>731524836>>731497913
I started watching the Arknights anime before Endfield. Never played the TD game. Even I laughed when Oripathy was a nothing burger in Endfield lol
>>731524453I learned to deal with videos being an eternity long now by just putting it at 1.5+ speed.
>>731525237This is just Act 1. It's already being implied that things aren't as straight as they appear and Perlica is very keen for Endmin to not look into Oripathy.
>>731524836Gameplay isnt comparable since its two different genres but in terms of story both are overly verbose but at least GFL2's isn't afraid to have an edge to it. I checked out of Endfields boring ass dialog quickly before quitting.
I never played the second collab. Aren't the Rainbow Six team still in the arknights world? Why didn't they teach the Terrans about solar power and gunpowder? Are they dumb?
>>731493862>"arknights waiting room"
>>731525463Terra legitimately doesn't have the raw material to make real gunpowder.>Though there isn't any usable ammunition left, Tachanka described to us in detail exactly how this ammunition works.>We've tried countless times to restore the weapons described by Tachanka to working condition, but the results of all our experiments have been unfortunate. >In the first 100 samples, most of the ammunition lost all its lethality at a distance of 10 meters, but Tachanka said that this weapon is able to land hits at 600-700 meters. Is that really possible? What exactly is "nitrocellulose?">After a week of attempts... a truly disastrous week, we broke a lot of things. Including this month's salary. However, it wasn't all for naught.>Closure mixed some ground Originium powder with raw industrial ketones. After drying, this compound was able to yield ammunition with a range of about 200 meters. In order to fire this ammunition normally, we modified the bore and receiver of the heavy gun and replaced it with a large-caliber gun tube. After several further rounds of modification... at least we can say that we attained satisfactory results at last.>Tachanka was overjoyed, and the feeling was mutual. After all, half a month of grueling labor had finally bore fruit.>The only problem I have, however, is this... this piece of junk is cumbersome, noisy, and doesn't even pack as much firepower as Raythean's semi-automatic heavy ballista! What was the point of all that hard work?! If there's ever a next time for this kind of stuff, count me out!
>>731497913Is 4 bad? What's the rating?
>>731524123there was a short cbt recently.
I'm a limbus bab and I went back to check in on arknights and was pleasantly surprised it was kinda good meanwhile endfield looks like abysmal dogshit for hoyoslop consoomers
>>731525965/10
>>731507282>t. dropped game, still playing game but worseHuh?
I just played the second boss, the ori triangle. It was really nice in terms of mechanics, much better than anything else before.Frankly the game is nice, once you go over the awful start and the constant tutorial aggression, the whole explore > build > progress story do works pretty well, and it's both relaxing and satisfying.I think there's a few adjustments away from making the battles pretty good, but let's not fool ourselves, it's a gacha, and it won't be much deeper, it can't. They should smooth out the menus and explanations, it's needlessly complex. Exploration is cool, and the mini factorio is cool as well, if you're a brainlet you can copy stuff from the net anyway.They're not too far away from something really nice, I think, but there's definitely some adjustments needed
Im a super goy who plays every single semi-major gacha release for at least a week or two cause the honeymoon period is always decent but this is the first one where I tapped out on day 2 like 10 hours in total. Legit the most boring shit I've ever experienced with the only redeeming quality being good FPS performance, character model detail,... thats it. I don't even get the dopamine hit that keeps me going because I got like fucking 18 or whatever limited pulls fucking insane jew shit. I've played enough of these games to know the formula is to fill us up with dopamine from early pulls then pull on the leash after the honeymoon period but we don't even get that. Want to be jews? The non-gacha parts of your game better be REALLY fucking good to make up for it then. Fine by me, not playing your fucking game.
>>731524836Doubt if Endflop even a sequel. GFL2 is the only true sequel here.It continues the story of GFL1, has a proper time skip explanation, keeps the same MC and the same Dolls, returning NPCs, proper transition from 2D chibis to full pledge detailed 3D model of the same characters.
>>731493862gatcha
>>731526641Their biggest mistake is butchering game to appeal more to typical hoyocrowd. Basically they initially made slow and methodical game, but then started changing it into something that is too slow for being action game and too simple at being tactical strategic game.Story also feels like reheating another gacha game story you already played 1000 times. There is completely no spice.Also holly shit the tutorials and UI are a fucking war crime. I'm playing on PC with a gamepad and there is literally zero consistency on what things do.
zzz player here, it's not my fault Endfield sucks
Death Stranding for Anime Gacha Enjoyers, this shit might be the greatest game ever made
>>731527574>look at factory tutorials>there's like 20 of them>I'll do them later>get factory perk points and spend them>now there's like 40 factory tutorialsWhat the fuck
>>731529268I know these rocks, kek.
>>731529268what does this mean
>>731524495>she's a boyYeah what do you expect? Lowlight is a fucking faggot through and through.
Is it worth it? I'm getting ads of that game every single time.
>>731529886No. Save yourself
>>731529886Yes. Welcome newcutie
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THE COMBAT IS FUN CHUDIEShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zolkr5dA-uQ
>>731493862No panties
>>731495928>silent protagonistI am fucking tired of this shit.
>>731529886Its honestly pretty mediocre in everything but the visuals. Try it for yourself but know the beginning is pretty rough.
>>731529983>Meta thumbnail with big white text with red/yellow text on the last wordI shan't click
>>731529886don't reward hypergrift's endless shilling>>731501469
>>731493862>try it at the start>around 40 minutes for 7 pulls, rerolling would be pure aids>just play it without rolling on limited and see what its like>its okay but I'd have a lot more fun if I could actually pull a limited character>finally give out a 10 limited pull gift so people can actually reroll at a non-snail pace>fine I'll try it for real with a rerolled account so I can enjoy it long term>gmail accounts are banned because they can be saltedyeah nah I'm good, fuck this game and its greedy ass devsif they're being this stingy at LAUNCH there is no where to go but down. shit will make honkai look like childs play in a year
i wish you could switch from KBM to controller quickly like in HSR instead of being forced to reset each time
>>731529983is this braxophone or another similar gacha grifter
>>731530658You canI launch the game with controller and if I ever have to use my keyboard/mouse it just pops up with a "switch to keyboard/mouse?" when I try to use it and that's all
>>731529983lmao his example of the 'amazing combat' is holding m1 vs. holding m1 and pressing the glowy autocombo buttons on screen, what a dense shill faggot.
>>731530548og arknights is a pure kike game as well. enjoy 1 limited every 6 monthsno idea what people were expecting
>>731493862why does every fucking open world 3d gacha game have the stupid transparency shit when you zoom the camera inyou want me to spend money on your slot machine bullshit the fucking least you can do is let me look at my character's ass up close without this invisibility field shit
>>731531065>why does every fucking open world 3d gacha game have the stupid transparency shit when you zoom the camera inso you can't get a good look at their panties
>>731531097do any of them even have panties? most of the time the girls are already in spats, shorts or bloomers anyways. its just double censorship for no reason
what is the next fotm gacha
>>731531065It's literally and unironically because they want the game on consoles and will get an automatic 18+ rating everywhere which will cut down on the audience they can reach. They need the game to maintain a Teen rating.
>>731531217
>>731531290This won't be out till Q4 at the earliest
>>731531217silver palace, neverness to everness, azur promilia, ananta
>>731531217NTE, ananta, and silver palacetake your picksilver palace's beta already exposed it as a potential fraud after its announcement trailer made it the most dick-sucked of the three by a landslide
>>731531381>fraudlol how? It looks pretty rough but fraud? It doesn't look different than what was advertised.
>>731531065chink censorshipkike payment platform censorshiptrying to sell gambling products to children which would see their age ratings go up and restrict marketable audienceopen world 3d gacha chinkshit is designed to pander to normies, women and children and pantyshots = icky
>>731493862>What went wrong?Not giving us the option to do stuff with Chen's thighs
>>731530667a random hoyoshill
>>731493862When they re-package the game as a standalone jrpg for Switch 2 it will be kino. They have to add gachaslop for the chinks but it just works better as a normal game. Has a Xenoblade vibe about it
>>731531898Do people keep saying le xenoblade just because it has four niggas on a field or somethingI guess I've only played X and 2 but they have nothing in common
>>731531527Yeah, fraud was a bad choice of word in retrospect. But when it first revealed people were acting like it was the gacha to end all gacha, the last one they'd ever need. And the beta showed that it can and will have problems and might just be another gacha after all.Peoples' expectations were brought down to earth is a better way I should have phrased it.
>>731531898>When they re-package the game as a standalone jrpg for Switch 2 it will be kino.Not even Genshin is on Switch or Switch 2, so keep the cope going anon
>>731493862I'm 10 hours in and I think the biggest problem is that I'm just bored with the game. I don't want to mess with the factory. I don't want to continue the story. I don't want to keep rolling. There's nothing hooking me into the game that makes me want to keep playing. If Endfield came out in 2015 instead of 2025 this would have been a sure hit at the time but today the market is just so oversaturated. I'm already tired of a decade of Open World slop games and I don't need yet another one but with even more prohibitive gacha mechanics ontop of it all
>>731531184They won't stop until they can cull men's greatest weapon--imagination.
>>731532118Not cope when Octopath 0 is a repackaged mobile game. Take the gacha out and some of these games are okay
>>731529886It gets better after the wave of tutorials dies down, but it's a pretty hard sell. I was considering dropping it, but things started to click and became fun. The combat is still dogshit, though. It's obviously character dependent, but the current characters are all horrible. It might improve (lol) with newer characters.
>>731532154you dont want to spend 30 minutes a day collecting flowers?! what the hell
What are the dailies in Endfield anyway? I did install the game but after seeing the paypal thing and people saying it sucks I didn't bother playing it.
>>731513836Pretty much.Technically impressive...I need to pl;ay more to see what I truly think about it.
>>731533232Similar to Duet Night Abyss', where you get some missions to complete, like crafting and leveling stuff up, which give you points until you reach 100 and claim all rewards.
>>731533232if you just care about daily gacha currency and nothing else then its like 5 minutes of busy workif you care about actual progression then you are looking up to 1h a day on random chores like food delivery etc
Game thinks you're a brainless retard with a gorillion tutorials
>>731493862>What went wrong?Too much I would unironically reinstall wuwa over playing Enfield and wuwa is a boring piece of shit Tells you all you need to know
>>731533459>if you care about actual progression then you are looking up to 1h a daylol I dodged a bullet
>play game>get chen>nice delicious legs>zoom in to get a closer look>Chen's character model does that bullshit fade/transparency so you can't get too closeUninstalled.
>no genshin, starrail or zzz threads since this game droppednoticing...the fomo...
>>731530053ENDmin is even worse At least Genshin MC has Paimon and Wuwa's Rovers talk plentyThis ENDmin retard NEVER TALKS
>>731520907all of these girls have horse shlongs tho?
>>731493862Boring gameplay and characters paired with the most hilarious launch drama in recent gacha history
How far into the game do i have to actually go until i can interact with those wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube men
>>731534154i think you have to finish the refugee camp main quest and then start the aic quest afterwards
>>731500141This Just playing anything else but gachashit
>>731533517Gacha tutorials always make me go fucking slack jawed just mashing through them because they do them in the most dry and overbearing way possible without even being informative. I know the average gacha player has negative IQ but nigga gacha is like a 12 year old genre at this point catch the fuck up with the rest of the industry
>>731534693The biggest audience for gacha are SEAs who are usually ESL and underage. look at Genshin who literally made a character whose sole purpose is to explain the story (paimon) and people STILL don't understand The average gacha player genuinely has rock bottom IQ
>>731493862>What went wrong?There a owl character that wears crocs.If he was a playable unit, then the game would've EoS the moment it launched
I wonered
>>731535004This makes me irrationally angry.Who the fuck is responsible for this?
>>731535004>Crocs>In 2026Who's the boomer in charge of fashion?
Same shitty AK writing, uninspired gameplay, distinct lack of soulI've come to realize, sad as it is to say, that the chinese seriously still do not know how to make games.
i got to the chink map and it still sucksthe building stuff probably turned off majority of gacha players, now theres even the classic chink region debuff like zzz
People has shat on Hoyo for years, but after all this time no one can deny now that they really fucking nailed it with Genshin, and on the very first try.Meanwhile Hypergryph even with Genshin and now Wuwa on the market, decided to shit out whatever the fuck Endfield is, truly astounding.
Why the sweet fuck do they need such a highly involved simulation tutorial thing man i didnt even conceive the possibility of things to be hand-holdy to this extent holy shit
>>731502654>>731502917NTA but which nikkers were sexually active with other men? I know there's a list of Nikke that have fucked the commander but
>>731535004I dont know anything about this setting so shit like this is baffling to me. why are most of my party members girls with animal ears (and also normal human ears which pisses me off) and then theres dudes that are just full fucking animals like this guy or the fat fuck panda
>Portable rig can mine a designated mineral node on its own>Upgraded stronger rig that needs outside power has to be constructed with portable rigs as an intermediate itemhow much more of Satisfactory is in this game
>>731493862>want to test it out this weekend>weekend almost over and i have more fun with cooking & watching AI Slop and Youtube Drama
I'll be honest, I can endure any half-baked gameplay as long as the presentation and story are good, I grew up on bad JRPGs after all, but man is the dialogue and narrative so far in this not only uninteresting but actively a fucking slog to get through
>>731535438Honestly they need to scrap the whole factory thing alltogether, or make it so that it just autos everything at every level up. Keep the factory as-is as an option for people who actually want it like it is, but for the normal person they should never have to interact with any of this simulation tutorials or building tutorials. Like holy fuck, it's legitimately filtering 90% of the playerbase which is a death sentence for Gacha games
>>731535547Something something furry girls don't sell
>>731535624its only filtering retarded SEAniggys like you
>>731535624fuck off the factory is fun
>>731535316Has any gacha had a good chink area? I have yet to find one that was enjoyable.
>>731535624I'd rather they make the factory the entire game since the combat is poopoo shit
>>731535585this is chink writing at its peak, exposition and technobabble cranked to the max genshit storytelling seems like god tier in comparison lol
>>731535624I want more factory and less action rpg and im not kidding
>>731535668Anon, who is 90% to 95% of all gacha gamers?Yes, enjoy your "muh high skill high niche autism" mode. But don't be surprised when the game EOS's in a couple months because the large majority of players just gave up on the game because of this. You cannot filter a large majority of your audience like this and expect a gacha game to survive.
Does that hobo town you build up in regional development visually change muchhonestly cant believe im saying this but i think i might stick around not for the combat but to see how far the basebuilding goes
>>731535624>Honestly they need to scrap the whole factory thing alltogether,
>>731525237Nigger, Oripathy becomes a nothingburger like a third of the way through the AK main story so far.It's one of the things people keep bringing up amongst the many things that show how awful Hypergryph are at writing a narrative, not just their shitty prose.Nothing actually fucking matters in AK.
>>731535780Arkniggers literally think that, tho.That Endfield should be only for their small playerbase, ignoring the devs clear objective of trying to capture the genshin and wuwa audience, even with Endfield clearly is a very expensive project.
>>731535841>Nothing actually fucking matterslmao its just like mmorpg stories
>>731535780Definitely not brown poorfags lmao, no game would make any money if SEAmonkeys were the majorityYou're the loudest that's for sure.
This and PGR are the only 3d gacha games I'm having fun withFuck hoyojeets and wuwajeets, may they drown in the sea of cowdungs
>>731535624Unironically they should have went full autism with the factoryIt's actually unique and interesting for gacha, the ARPGslop is trash
>>731493862was it supposed to be good, or something? you KNEW it was going to be open world gachaslop
>>731535712nope, but i find gooks and nips are better at making chink culture stuff than the chinks themselves
>>731502917>for starters, the game is very open with the Nikkes being sexually active, either with other men, with other nikkers or with the actual commander.Why are you lying about games you've never actually played? Nikke LITERALLY copies the exact same set up that GFL does with everyone being scared or outright hating Nikkes. (you) are the only person who wants to fuck them and so no other Nikke has any relation with any other me with ONE singular exception who is literally dead before the game starts.>>731535518Nobody he's lying.
>>731535624Man they weren't kidding when they said low iq subhumans were getting filtered hard
>>731535624The factory is not important enough.Weapons/armor should be crafted and have durability.Units should have skills if but in charge of a facility (can still be used in the combat team)Factory gets attacked and has to be protected/repaired
>>731521238I dropped Genshin in Natlan(despite thinking it was really good, just got burnt out) is the new region good and full of hot woman? I don't think I've seen any new characters since I dropped it.
>>731535771>I want more factoryjust move to China lmao
>>731493862mostly hoyo being a thing.Everything AK did good that EF is failing at is exactly something they took from hoyo>bland anime character designs>shallow action combat>giga stingy gacha>every character is limited>dogshit writing>no one takes the crisis seriously/everyone's marvelquipping over it>retardedly pointless open world>boring resource farmingI'm gonna wait to see what the first couple events are like, since base game AK was also not as good as what came after, but damn the game does feel pretty doomed. They shot themselves in the foot by making it a story about colonizing an empty planet.One of the big things going for AK is that it has an established world with several very unique countries, so one day you can be fighting italian mafia, and the next solving a farmaceutical company conspiration, or exploring egyptian ruins for treasure.Endfield so far is just boring rock monsters and borderlands reject bandits, coupled with boring ass rocky grassland zones. They have absolutely no room to now introduce a casino city, or a cruise ship, or anything that might make the gameplay and stories fun and varied.Also every character is so retarded and annoying, Ceobe looks like Kal'tsit by comparison.
>>731535923I mean if you think about it they have the same fundamental problem.Gacha and MMOs are virtually unable to have good stories because the real life requirement of forever serialization trumps the need to actually write a good narrative. In fact, they're incentivized to string readers along with bullshit ad infinitum instead.The POV characters are supposed to be self-inserts so you can't have any actual characterization for them, and therefore no actual arc either. Anywhere the POV MC is is like a black hole sucking up any chance of a narrative forming. Can't use major twists or completely pull the rug under the reader either even if that's a super common thing in media since you actually want people to keep spending by being content with low effort slop for as long as possible.Gacha actually makes it worse by making it impossible for anyone to actually die (and even then if they do it's always undercut by the ludonarrative dissonance of dead gacha characters still being playable) and also by making it impossible for characters to have any actual relationships between each other.Hypergryph tops the inherent shittiness of gacha by ALSO being terrible writers too verbose and pretentious for their own good.
>>731535624The factory is the only good thing in this game besides the IP. Everything else is just hoyowuwa trash.
>>731536402>>dogshit writingthey took that from AK1 though
endfield is lowlight's dream game btw, and keknights is just a stepping stone for him to make this game
>>731535780I don't mind a brain tickler game if its not a fucking fomo daily login gachaslop title. the original mobile game would have been a great tower defense title if it didn't expect you to play into the mobile slop grindthis is genuinely a "turn your brain off" genre, should not have to carefully plan my team comp in a character collector it wants me to pull a slot machine handle to get units for
>now devs need to focus on both the factory and the combatOne of the two aspects will suffer and it will set the fate of this game for the future.
The issue is that the game's trying to do too much at once and appeal to too many people so that the end result is that there really isn't enough of anything to please anyone.
They will copy Hoyo one more time and use the solution that worked for ZZZ TVs
>>731536430Other than the purple prose, I think AK has the right idea for its writing. The main story actually advances pretty slow, and they've built a cool enough world they can just tell self-contained stories constantly taking place in those regions, endlessly adding content without having to ruin the main narrative. The victoria plotline was giga boring though.Limbus also seems to be doing reasonably ok, since it feels at least like they've had plot for years figured out from day 1.
I dont get the complaints about the story, its just okay sure but I dont see anything so far that's offensive enough to call it bad or shit??Trying to do hoyo games or get through wuwa made me want to kill myself and I'm not getting that same vibe here.
>>731535780anons shit on you but you are right, mostly. it's not that the factory shit filtering brainlets that's the problem, it's that it's filtering the biggest whales. typically people don't drop 10k+ on gacha because they want to engage in factorio autism.
>>731535780TRUE
>>731536532Nah, the factory is actually pretty shallow. All they have to do (and will do) is when they release a new zone, just add a new tier of materials to farm, coupled with a reskinned new tier of the machines to process it like the game already does. There's nothing to innovate.>>731536592The TV shit was unironically the only thing I liked about ZZZ. Fuck retards for convincing the devs to dumb the game.>>731536570They made a game for hoyokeks instead of arknights players, so AK players will hate it. But they put in the base building and tower defense elements for them, which the lobotomites that play hoyoshit will absolutely hate and drop the game for.
>>731535780>*Arktrannies hated him because he told the truth*
>>731536648>I dont get the complaints about the story>ArknightsReunion just launched an attack, Doctor, it's horrible, thousands are dying or injured, we have to do something... I can't let so many injured and infected suffer, that's what we fight for, even if one of us dies, we have to fight.>EndfieldWowie zowie endmin! That sure was a mean-o attack by the rockiebuggies! Sure many died but it's fine! I know the endmin will solve the sitch in a jiffy!
Is this the famous Arknights generosity?
alternate version of the game where rolling characters gives you access to unique facilities with unique build chain that implies a unique factory layout that gives your team buffs via unique weapon enhancements or food buffs with accompanying little graphical accents
>>731535780Arknights has survived just fine for 5+ years. Nobody told them to pander to the drooling retards that won't play anyway because their wallet already belongs to mihoyo.
>>731536902where does that happen?
>>731536623see the thing is individual vignettes aren't really interesting when their actual writing quality is subparall the structural problems gacha have just gets shoved into a miniature model, and AK just keeps shitting out those over and over, and some vignettes are also forming their own long-form arcs that are just as shit as the main theme and just as susceptible to gacha's problems
>>731536502Really rewarding those hardcore arknight fans
>>731505025yesboth games are genuinely one of a kind and are worth the experience
>>731535780For arknights? Probably the people who played the series when it had an audience that liked the original game for what it was and not pandering to hoyoweebs/zoomers/teens
>>731505025Play lobco and ruina then watch limbus' cutscenes on youtube like god intended
>>731536989every time chen or the faggot owl are on screen.
>>731536987Arknights also costs literal pennies to maintain. Not saying HG can't pull it off, but they need retardbux for a game of Endfield's scale.
>Pocuswhere's Hocus
>>731505025As a bit of advice, it's totally fine to start with Limbus, since it's a gacha and you'll want to do your daily/weekly shit and keep up with the gacha rolls. The other 2 are great but can absolutely be played on the side. They haven't been all that relevant to Limbus story until maybe more recently beyond some soipointing references, and they can also take a while to beat and are brutally hard, which might also push you away from the franchise.
>>731500730>There's some nice foundations, but they need to polish everything out.That should have been done in the four years it took to develop the game
>>731536927You forgot the weapon banner thing.You get lucky and pull the limited in the first pulls? Great, but now you have no currency for the weapon banner.
>>731537092That's what I mean, them wanting a crazy budget game means they have to dumb it down to fish as many retards as possible. Almost wish endfield had been a non-arknights game entirely made as a cash cow to fund an actual sequel.
>>731537072Watched all on goytube, not dealing with gook grindfest
Bwos... I don't feel like playing any more..............
>>731537236weak bait
>>731537236>grindfestit's the easiest fucking gacha to get everything maxed out in without even paying. It's retard-proof to get on top of the economy and have a maxed out team.
>>731537242>pogchampBricked accounta
>actually really like the game>the amount of negativity currently surrounding it is fucking ridiculousah, I guess it's my turn to like the thing everyone hates
>>731537242you got a top tier physical team AND lightning team right there.Be happy you didn't get a dupe ardelia or the fire lady.
>>731537232>Almost wish endfield had been a non-arknights game entirely made as a cash cowIt's entirely possible for then to retcon it as a spin-off a la GFL: Neural Cloud. The game has barely anything to do with Arknights anyway and "returning" operators are all clones.
>>731537350>the amount of negativity currently surroundingit's all hoyotourists afraid their dying cashcow is gonna bleed more players again. it will pass.
>>731537242Same thing happened when I played ZZZ and got the furbait wolf fag. Quit the game immediately. Having any SSR males should be a crime.
>>731537350its unironically seething browns getting filtered because its an anti-brainlet game
>>731537386>The game has barely anything to do with Arknights anywayit is a shame they are wasting the progenitor race origin planet like this though.
>>731493862Dogshit combat, story and combat interrupts autism factory shit so that's not fun either, story isn't even passable garbage for a mobile game, and the gacha being extra shitty even compared to other gacha games.
>>731537386neural cloud isnt a spin off tho??
>>731493862everything after you are done with the big intro boss
>>731537360>caring for metafagging on releaseNigger, I wanted hot ladies to look at while playing. Who the fuck cares about a homo being meta?
>>731514516People were to deluding themselves and others that the obvious scam of a gacha they've setup can be ignored if they just give out tons of free rolls. Well that's done for now.
>>731537242And there's no pity system, right? I might end up pulling the same fag?
>Why are there so many angloids here?Jeez Perlica, a bit much dont you think?
>>731537543Then pull more, retard. You have a good chance of getting a couple more 6* with the starter one time resources. 90% of 6* are women.
>>731537639it's jarring how the main characters and the operators sound mostly fine, then every single NPC is some giga inbred bong who can't act. It's like 2 entirely different agencies voiced the game.
>>731537315nah i'll read vn the way it is intended.
>>731537624Every 80 pulls guarantees a 6*120 Guarantees the character from the current banner.
>>731537624No, even worse. You could end up pulling the Lingyang of Endfield.
>>731537696i do not care about the voice acting quality of throw away npcsthe bandits or whatever being sneed hillbillies got a laugh out of me
>>731537753I wish I got this fucking boy but they gave me the old man FUCK
>>731516597>Every character has human ears to go along with their animal ears and it's fucking off-putting.I like it.
My morale is so low, bwos... And I'm not giving Hypergrift money just to lose another 50/50........
>>731493862>Tutorials overexplain and don't teach you anything>every single UI has no focal point so you get lost on what to select>Combat is just hold down m1>Visual downgrade since CBT (no weather in starting zone???)>Story is proper noun word salad>EN Voices are mostly bad, especially the NPCs with fake accents. Perlica is the only good one.
>>731493862I'm having fun ;)
>>731493862needs an ssd to run on pc well so fuck you why the fuck would the phone game need that on pc
I played for a few hours this morning. It was such a slog that I fell asleep. Now it's nighttime. I'm afraid to open the game again...
>>731535346I would agree but there's something to be said of the human rights violations of Genshin AI generating 24 hours of fluff script that can never be skipped every major patch. What mihoyo actually nailed was the monetization it was the most palatable gacha on the market on release. Monetization is still fair but the small bits of content that made it stand out were never followed up because they were vestigial development concepts. Aerial combos, elements inherently affecting things in the world, coop, impact driven narrative presentation, all gutted to optimize character shilling and prevent players from feeling they've completed the game.
>Play through the game, it's unironically kinda fun.>Good hours in, account level 32>Around 20k gems in, counting the premium premium good boi ones I get for free.>Finally used up all my standard tickets so I can see the cost of a pull>5k per 10 pull.I guess that's it. Being f2p is gonna be ultra super duper hard mode.
Unironically, funding the Chinese gaming industry was a mistake.
Arksisters how do we get our honor back?
>>731493862predatory ass gacha game
>>731538467By crossdressing
>>731538419this but china in general
>>731538523>single pull 120 separate timesI'm keep seeing normalfags pulling 10 pulls at once because they still think the pity works like genshin and wuwa
>>731538467we simply keep playing the superior game while this one EOS
>>731496168Can you romance the character that you have in enfield? that could be the draws for drawing the banner
>>731538653lollmao
>>731538653Endfield is shipping game chud
>>731538653Lel
>>731538653Arknights is like the single most sexless gacha franchise. Everybody was too busy dying of cancer in the original game to bone and this game seems to be following suit
>>731493862Its not an Arknights game.
>>731538653>he doesn't know about the most popular girl being paired with the lizard homo
>>731538653no way lmao
>>731539310lowlight is a yurifag so im not surprised.
>>731539328yet he's pairing his self insert (male) with the other lizard girl, i really don't know what to think of it
>>731539435Are the scenes with her exactly the same for both main characters or is it different?
>>731539516by self insert he means Antal (the 4 star lizard fag) not Endmin
>>731539601Oh yeah, forgot 12F is his stand in.
>>731538653no, the mc's of both games are cucks.
>>731539225qrd?
>>731538653You think this is Azur lane or Girls frontline? Have some class, in Arknights we're we have no problem with our characters having relationships with each other
Just go play Wuthering Waves and push to 2.0. What a waste of time Endfield is, and they should be doing much better after Ex Astris.
>>731537753She's cute.
>>731540036Anon...
>>731537242pog is the only single 6* you need anyway. physical dmg is the only thing you should build. he also has a faster dash
>>731535624lol, the one autist that likes factoryslop samefagged STRONGLY in response to your post. The reality is that you're absolutely right, this factoryslop with 500 million tutorials is killing the game, normal people don't want to bother with those things.The game tried do copy Genshin like other gachas did for a reason, Genshin-like gachas are what people want to play, or at least some game where the characters are the center of the gameplay not some factory building garbage
>>731510818They should copy resident evil raid mode
>>731540716Factories also don't fit 3d. Should have been chibi like the factories in Arknights
uoh rossi's loli panties
im already checked out of the game, i think ill go through the main story a bit more, but the whole loop is dog shit combat is bad, exploration is bad, loot grind is bad because its just crafting and waiting around, environments are just bad, storytelling bad. just really basic shit like walking up to a puzzle and it being physically impossible to solve because the actual puzzle piece is hidden in some weird ass spot you cant get to yet is pure cancer. its basic game design shit they've failed at
>>731540986Wasn't this like FF12/xenoblade? Why make it action shit?
>>731540716>>731540946Butthurt SEA mad a gacha requires more than 2 braincells
>>731540996>xenobladeyou fell for the arknoggers meme
>>731540996"People" complained in the alpha test
>>731535624I’ve been playing fucking games for 40 years now and even I had trouble figuring out immediate mechanics and output for the factory stuff and tutorials. 10 hours into the game and I’m still not really sure, other than gear, what exactly I’m meant to be saying the factory for or what other systems it even ties into. There are entire prosperity systems or something that I also have no idea what the game was on about. This is from someone who plays JRPGs and gacha games full time. The amount of casual players this is going to filter is insane.
>>731535004no dose can escape my eagle eyesThanks doc
>>731541005The factories are basic, shill. But the format doesn't fit.
Why would anyone play a gacha where you can roll a man? Who thought this was a good idea? These games are for staring at anime tits and gambling
>>731541248Not everyone is a tranny
>>731541142>Basic>But still filters (you)Skill issue
>>731541318Shill, the format doesn't work. Imagine if factorion had slow action rpg combat and full 3d
>>731541308you already play as a man in this retard
>>731541362Bot broken. I accept your concession brownoid.
>>731541385How many people are raving about the AIC right now>doesn’t matter because i feel validated in understanding the mini gameGood job. I bet you 98% of the posters here understand it better than you. If I asked you how the zip lines worked you wouldn’t know
>>731540984>granny panties Eugh
>>731500367How would you build on the combat?The foundation seems rather limited.
i have a question how long is the current story in the game? how many areas total? what level are you around the end of the main story
>>731541586Just revert it back to the Xenoblade/ffxiv stuff from before. You can’t outdo Wuwa with the action combat so play it smarter. That combat plays like some ass Genshin clone its fucking awful sans a few cool boss attack telegraphs here and there.
>>731537217You can literally buy arsenal tickets for gacha currency like in any other game. The arsenal tickets from character banners are a bonus. Just lying, shitposting or genuinely never played the game / getting info from doomer youtubers based on beta gameplay?
>>731541697Genshin at least had the cool element shit
>>731506197But the testers wanted it to be more like genshin....
>>731541749What about it was cool exactly?Aside from one or two reactions, literally all of it was "this deals bonus damage". It was somehow even more horrible than the status sludge we have in endfield.
>>731498241Dude, you have males here too
I love how all the partner program YouTubers are trying to make combat guides and build guides.
>>731541919
>>731508491Until it has a dispenser system, no.You have no idea how great things could be.
>>731541838>somehow even more horrible than the status sludge we have in endfieldLol, I can feel your shilling through my screen
>>731541697Oh but that's a rework.I thought you meant keeping the current system how wouldfuture characters be interesting to play.
Where is all the online feedback for this game? No one on YouTube or reddit are saying anything like they’re waiting for some consensus opinion to form first
>>731493862Nothing genshitter
>>731541952>call thing horrible>"you're shilling"esl moment
>arktroon praised the detailed model but if you zoom in, it becomes completely transparentwhats the fucking point then? paid for the character and you can't even look at them properly
>>731497546>negro if you dont have the most efficient factory blueprint then you are getting X% less gear/currency every single fucking dayOh no my hecking efficiency!
>>731542040The fade tolerance is even worse than Genshin and Wuwa.Here you can't even view other characters by zooming your camera from any angle ecause they also quickly disappear, is insane.No wonder other gachafags keep saying Arknots ruined gacha fanservice.
>>731497235>Killbox wasn't even a term back thenThat was when the term was most popular retard nigger
>>731497913>>731502261>the GFL turbo cucks have arrived Lol
>>731531290>censored palace
>>731516472Mindbroken by Mihoyo
>>731542021>>731498241Kek they really are trying the >Genshinfags are secretly after me play this game to trigger them Tactics
>>731541929On EN side, one is going to top KyoStinV or Oyuki_ch guides. Chinks also solved the factory setups. So community theory crafting is dead.
>>731542238>>731542238Even as someone who doesn't even like genshin (only the first region was good) this shit is what kills any discussion around a gacha. Nikke, BA, Uma etc doesn't need that shit. Even the cheek gacha that came out of nowhere has more discussion already
>not even shin wants to shill this
>>731542223Tragic
>>731542223what are you supposed to be mat at here
>>731542216You game LITERALLY has shipshit RIGHT NOW, bud.
>>731530956It didnt seem that bad since you could clear everything with 4 stars if you now what you are doing.
There were flash games from the 2000s with better factory systems than this and even when they didn't give any type of explanations, people understood them with practice.Endfield main problem is the excessive handholding>press button to select material>now press button to exit menuCh*nks, I fucking know how to exit a menu, ffs. And they keep repeating this every single new tutorial of the factory.I learned more on my own by fucking up a production line and fixing it than with the tutorials.
>>731541929if you need a guide for this game you are the game's target audience.
>>731542829I don’t even understand the guides
>>731493862Chinks cant tell a good story.
>>731542014Arkniggers is the goyim cattle of gacha. Any criticism to Hyperjew will result in your gacha game being reported for censorship and review bombed.
>>731538083Are the EN voices bad?I dont have an ear for these things so I can't tell quality.
>>731542014The arknights community is worse than hoyo or kuro, the toxic positivity resulted people unironically liking dubs, the 6-8 month delay, shitty game modes, and years of no QoL.
>>731542829I dont even know how to factory
>>731542972They talk waaaay too muchKoreans keep it simpler at least
>>731543109Indeed.Case point Limbus.All proper nouns are simple words.You have The City.The NestsThe FixersThe DistortionsThe RolandThe BackstreetsThe ColorsThe LibrarySyndicatesThe HeadThe OutskirtsThe LakeEverything is named using normal words.You might not think this matters but it does.
>>731542613but endmin got :>an italian blonde loli dog girl>a sheep girl>a twintailed dog girldon't get greedy here. this game is gonna be like FGO where while there are gonna be shipshit girls, at least 60% of the waifu casts are gonna be for big MC cock
>>731543089Sounds like the R1999 community.
>>731543261lol this is why chinks manga and anime will never become popular, even gooks webtoon slop like solo leveling manage to become popular
>>731543591they are the OG insufferable fuck before PGR
>>731543591>R1999Grim
>>731543089truly the obnoxious cringy hipsters of gacha gaming
>>731543591well yeah, R1999 and Limbus are AK colonies.
>>731501469>game feels like a jobPretty much, can't say it better.
>>731493862GFL sends it's regards.
I won.
>hypergryft still pretending the PayPal disaster ever happened>no compensation whatsoever>Arkniggers playing victim crying about da hecking evil mihomos slandering themNo, arknigger, the reality is that your game is fucking trash and you caused this reaction by shilling it as "xenoblade" combat only for the actual game be the dullest slop ever
