They shouldn't have droppered the FFXII/xenoblade combat
Is there any tower defense notions in the game?Or did they just do away with everything that was cool about the first game and made another genshin?
>>731541972Made another genshin but with a boring world and no elements combat
>>731541972>and made another genshin?Yup, unfortunately. Cant have anything different because people complained it wasnt Genshin enough.
>>731542017>Made another genshinWhat the fuck is wrong with these retards zzzzzzWelp at least I know to completely filter and ignore these threads now, thanks bub
You know it's bad when even Shin stopped trying to use this to shill wuwa KEK
The game is real polished in areas, but I’m gonna be honest, this is a fucking disaster of a game. It’s unsalvagable in entire segments due to the tutorials and story and combat. I really don’t know what to do here. Any feedback is pointless here because it requires some Realm Reborn tier reboot.
>>731542017>no elements combatwhy do all these games copy genshin but not the one thing that genshin has going for it?
Anyone got to Wuling yet? I’m gonna push through and see how it goes.
it looks painfully slow, but it is better than whatever we got
>>731541919game actually plays more like FFXV lolbut even that kusoge gameplay is better
>>731542335who?
>>731542058They all want that genshin money
>>731541919Predict the first month's revenue.
>>731541919This had WHAT?
>>731541919Oh boy cant wait for retarded gachaniggers to shill this shit for the next 3 years until EoS
>>731544130High but will drop like a rock in the next month.
>>731544212i dont think it will even last six months
>>731541919>Xenoblade combat>ArknightsI take it you've played neither of those games since the combat between those 2 have next to nothing in common
>>731544332This game has been in development for at least 5 years, there's no way they're shutting it down that quick.
Guesses when the inevitable relaunch will be? The game visually is incredibly polished, probably the best ive seen yet but everything else is a dud. Doubt most people will stick around.
>>731544212It has 0 sex
>>731544734You paid $100 for this animation just to be cockteased kek
>>731544410Cool story. Anyway
What the hell, bros?I thought the Xenoblad combat is gonna be one of the games main differentiation factors?It's gone?
>>731544770But we're watching it for free, that's a lot better
>>731541972The game hints that certain absolute bullshit open world challenges are better to be done via setting up artillery around it but they aren't unmanageable without.
>>731542017>tfw no orcs must die but with cute anime girlsI fucking hate this, they could've had their genshin third person combat but let you put up turrets or control them individually by hopping between them that would've been so cool but I guess we just get fucked
>threads already empty
>>731541919*drabed
>>731541919What killered the hype
>>731547575
I really like the visuals and the character models, but holy shit the tutorials and story is mindnumbing so far im dropping it, the facts theres nothing tower defense in it too
>>731544920But Xenoblade was not all about the combat?
>>731547639>the facts theres nothing tower defense in it tooThere is one later but its pretty barebones
>>731541919Wow is that what it was like originally? That looked like it at least had something of an identityI uninstalled endfield before even getting to the reroll point, it just felt like it had no reason to exist, EQ combat with no elements? Gay The characters also suck, I liked dusk in the other game and there's only a similar but lesser girl
>>731547583>Gatcha before Genshit80 rolls, guarantee>Gatcha after GenshitWhatever the fuck this shit is in the picture
Why are we suddenly acting like xenoblade had good combat
>>731547867Better than Genshit
Fix this game
>>731547747idk man i really dislike the zzz corridor slop feel to it too, dont think i'll be playing it anymore
>>731547583>25/75 weapon bannerYou mean 75/25? There's no way it's in favor of you losing.
>>731547583I remember arknights faggots posting a pic of comparison between endfield, genshin and wuwa in pull rates and everything. And in every category endfield somehow won. Turns out it's the exact opposite lmao.I don't see them posting that pic anymore.
>>731547867yes, xenoblade combat is much more fun than genshin derivative #500000 combat system
>Like Fluorite>Like Estella>Like Avywenna>They don't synergize with each other>Have to invest in characters I'm not interested in, and even men in order to make them workWhy was it so much easier to just play your favorites in GI & WuWa and have them at least work somewhat without thinking too much?
>>731548858i find the combat design so strange. like it feels like they wanted it to be strategic, but it just doesn't work in practice and becomes mashy action slop
Why the fuck no one talks about weapons being generic now?Characters in this game already play identically, but this is just an identity theft. Surtr had giant fucking sabre bigger than her, which made half of her design and was tied to her gameplay. And Laevatain has shitty generic sword made so everyone could use it. And in a year even better sword for her will come out and everyone will use it and it will look like a fucking banana or some shit because weapon design in endfiled is fucking atrocious.
>>731549050Disappointing...I didn't know
>>731547853It's true sadly, Genshin really set a precedent
>>731549050Just another casualty of Genshitying the game.
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I have Genshin and Genshin clone fatigue.
>>731541919Having players involved ruin these games. These people just wonder around anytime there is a new game and get them all to play the same because thats all they know. Devs also end up listening cause they end up being the majority of the feedback that they receive.
>>731547867>suddenlyPlease play more game other than genshin, genshin clone, another genshin clone with soulslike clone clone, and soulslike clone with genshinlike clone.
>>731547786>I liked dusk in the other gameI'm 100% positive she will come back.
>>731542017>no elements combatuse fire on ice enemyretards think that's deep combat
>log into the game>player survey>multiple choice questions>answers are all desperate for player retention and assume you are a complete retardWell this gives me a lot of insight as to what to expect from this game in the future. I don't think I'll be playing for more than 15-20 hours. (About 6 so far.)
>>731547853We're pretending GBF and FGO, the juggernauts of gacha, don't exist anymore now?
>>731542058>>731541972Cause these retarded chink devs always listen to feedbacks from chink mobile players who only wants more genshit, instead of their own fanbase
>>731551015Anyone who address this type of games as gacha are 100% filthy EOP chinkslurper.
I don't understand why they did not do a Orc must die / Sanctum kind of game for the tower defense.The systems are right there
>>731551284they are gacha you retarded chinkslurper
>>731551345Player feedbacks all wanted more genshin and complained if other features arent like genshin Look at the factory tutorial, literally made for retards who never touch anything else
>been playing bit by bit every day>STILL trapped in tutorial hellWhat the fuck is this? I thought this game was meant to be played on phones. Who puts this many tutorials in a phone game?
>>731547583It's just pity and spark. Here's how I would describe Endfield:"50/50, no guarantee on loss, pity carries over. You can spark once per banner after 120 pulls, spark count doesn't carry over".That's it. You pull if you think you can get to 120 pulls by the end of that banner. Otherwise you just skip.
>>731551515They know that gacha players are retards so they have to drag them through everything.
>>731551515They listened to the """players""" who don't actually want to play the game.
>>731551515They are not raised on rts games like pc gamers
>>731548592*fixes your gameplay (not really, but she tried)*
>>731551375nah
>>731541919Also borrow a bunch of Death Stranding mechanics but dumbed down so much for mobile players it all became pointless fillers
>>731541919Holy shit this is what people were getting excited for? This looks so fucking bad.
>>731541919is there a game with worse tutorials?
>>731547853>uses the word "Genshit" because he thinks he's super clever>says something objectively falseYou fucking retard.
>>731551882That is the better version actually, before they changed it to dumbed down genshi combat
>>731541919The devs lost all integrity in my eyes after the alpha testing, a shame.
>>731550854better than using anything on anything without any difference.
>>731541919>get stuck at 16s>hit invisible barrier trying to jump over itwtf is this jank lmao
>>731550854I love it when retards who clearly don't know shit about Genshin combat talk about it like it's Pokémon because that's their only frame of reference for elemental combat.For a vast majority of enemies in the game there is no elemental strength/weakness system. The only general rule is you don't use the enemy's innate element against them because that single element is what they take reduced damage from but even that has exceptions.
>>731548545a big ak cc proved their gacha system is just slightly better than genshin and worse than wuwa, they all went into hiding after that
This story fucking sucks. Their framing, dialogue, EVERYTHING is wrong in this Valley IV section. You even have the exact same setup in the original game. >moving through new locale with amnesia>enemies are after you and spreading havoc>massive anomaly opens up and the antagonist who can harness something stomps youIt’s the exact same story and they can’t even fucking get it right I’m close to uninstalling this
>>731552215Nobody cares, stop crying
Arknights actively hires trannies to voice their characters and while you might argue "switch to jp" the fact that company support trannies still remain.
>>731552274Do you have the picture by any chance? I want to post it in their general.
>>731542017>Made another genshin but with a boring worldSo it's just Genshin but with a combat system that's somehow worse.
>>731552336Just get to the chink region bro it will get good bro, you’ll even get a free chink waifu bro
>>731551015>GBFSpark system, a different ballpark>FGOHad no actual pity until LAST YEAR, before then it had pity for a single copy (you need 5 to actually farm in the current meta, even a few supports are better off at NP5) and before that it had nothing
>>731552392>he's still trying to act like an apathetic hardass as if this is schoolUh oh, someone never mentally developed. What a shame.
>>731552396their fandom's main trait is pretending to be different and special, just like trannies
>>731552527Nigga Arknight was different, I played the shit out of it back thenThis new game is just another gacha abomination chasing after Genshit profit
>>731552476Cope.
the gameplay only made genshin look funnier, how can they fuck up this bad?I guess they should double down on the factory stuff
>>731552527If you participate in society in any way or form, you support trannies.Either go live in the jungle or shut the fuck up about shit nobody but you cares about.
>>731541919Anyone who played the technical test knows that the combat was ass
>>731551428>>731552668
>>731552710Still better than this left click click click shitEveryone plays the same, except for 1 or 2 characters
>>731552336Once you beat the triaggelos boss you are allowed to the do Surtr event story which seems to be written by a completely different team. The endmin actually talks properly, takes the initiative instead of just following perlica's orders and it actually has interesting scenarios and dialogue that develops the characters.Valley IV just feels like they intentionally lobotimized the writers just because they don't want to overwhelm newcomers to the arknights universe. So much important world building and context is just not explained to the player at all and they have to dig for it in the fucking menus to figure out what is actually going on. So many people are completely misinterpreting the setting of the game or what endfield industries even is because of this.
>>731541919I fucking hate character swaps so much
My guess is, they were afraid and castrated the first region.They probably got cold feet from the technical test.
>>731541919The UI looks different here
>>731552965It is from the technical test version
Any clue on a good team?I have difficulties in understanding the relationships / synergies between characters.I only have the chinese twink and Adrelia in 6 stars, and most of 5 stars.
Bunny is alright I guess
the good>character models>ost>animation varietythe bad>Offensively bland environments, art direction sucks>Almost every character plays the same and has no feedback>Dogshit chink writing as usual>Exploration is Genshin but worse>No day night cycle>Extremely stingy>Tutorial waterfall>Noticeably worse designs than AK>Jiggle physics are half assed >Some animations are quite stuff>Is outclassed by either Genshin or Wuwa in everything it does semi competently, can't carve its own path>No in-game compensation for the disastrous PayPal scam>Invisible walls that aren't at the border of the maps>Open world is half assed and was added to chase the current trend>Characters disappear sooner than other 3d gacha when you zoom on them>Unlike original Arknights every character will be cucked the Genshin-way when it comes to their dedicated weapon because Hypergryph decided to have them use whatever standardized type of weapon you've equipped them with>Skyboxes are uglyI'll forgetting so many flaws I'll most likely remember when I boot it up againWhat a disaster, this game is headed the ToF way
>>731541972>Is there any tower defense notions in the game?Yes there is, you literally have to place down turrets to defend your outposts from enemies, and you're not allowed to interfere with your characters either, everything has to run automatically.You wouldn't know that from all the shitposters ITT who haven't played past the prologue.
One thing's for sure, Feebs isn't in Endfield so stop asking you played the right game.
>>731553134Hilariously ToF is still alive and doing well years later, and is arguably a better game than Genshin
>>731553134>Offensively bland environments, art direction sucksThis is something that every single game trying to copy Genshin fails at. The world is always bland. At best they have a small handful of setpieces crafted for people to take screenshots of and pretend the entire game looks as good.
>>731552996you have a nice exploration team since its very bursty and frontloaded, just slap some Endmin and Chen on these 6*s and you're good to go
So gacha players ever get tired of playing the same game over and over with new jpeg character? Or is it because the whole point of gacha is not to play the game and just do the daily chores?I genuinely don't understand the point, all these games look like they play exactly the same.
>>731553150Lmao that part is like 1/10 the contents of tower defense in Arknight, a fucking joke of a filler mechanic
>>731541919No Steam no try. You can't even use "muh 30%" when the PC version is on the fucking Google Play Store.
My favorite character so far is the 4-star lizard girl.
>>731553290They're addictive to play and the target audience have low standards and are easily baited with cute anime girls.
>>731553290They play it for the gooning
>>731553134>>731553228If you didnt get to Wuling then stfu
>>731541919I thought arknots have guns
>>731553375>They're addictive to playhow?
>>731553290>gacha playersSports/Cawadoodies are just regurgitated clones of one another and they're still massively successful in the West. Stop acting as if this only applies to gacha games.
>>731553349>I MUST SUCK GABENS COCKYou people are fucking pathetic
>>731553440They had but dropped all that for genshin gameplay
>>731553407>listen bro trust me the game suddenly gets really good after the horrendous 30 hour tutorial you just have to put up with dogshit until thenShut the fuck up tribalist retard. The devs dropped the ball. That's not my problem.
>>731553461Sports games like FIFA are gacha games though, those are gacha players.
>>731553461At least those are real games and not egregiously monetized skinner boxes that use R15 levels of lewds to bait you in, retard.
>>731553228Sadly Genshin's art direction really fell off it's not really up to its own standards anymore>>731553407Wuling is extremely unremarkable as well
>>731553382But there is no gooning here Not for your average gooners at least
>>731553407Does it really get better in wulin? Im in a weird state where i really love setting bases, ziplines, and a few bosses were fun, but i dunno, combat is getting repetitive.i think im about to reach wulin, but i was considering dropping it.at least i like my team. building vulnerability and having the panda pop in and whack the stacks to trigger stuff is cool i guess.
>>731553510So didnt get to Wuling, got it >>731553532Everyone is saying it is the best region
>>731553312No one ever said that Endfield was a tower defence game, retard. Anon just asked if there were any TD elements in the game and I answered.
>>731553520They've been extremely popular in the West even before they started adding gacha elements. Sports games haven't had variety since the 90s when you got arcade-like spinoffs like NFL Blitz.>>731553526>moving the goalpost>signing his postWeird tactic but you do you.
>>731552215>>731542017Brother that's not "Genshin Impact™ Xx.Element.xX Combat General Rules"You are spouting the most banal and common thing in any jrpgI distinctly remember that being a thing in Final Fantasy VIII fucking 26 years ago
>>731553596>it's a polished turd in a sea of shit this means it's really good!Excellent job proving my point. Thank you for making this so easy.
>>731553583Yeah the environment design and story is 10/10 in Wuling
>>731553134What bothers me the most is how much better the beta was. Release Endfield is just pure fucking shit.
>every gacha thread always turns into chuds and incels seething about GenshinWe can't stop winning and we don't even have to do anything rofl
>>731553631>completely missing the point because he exists purely to seek any opportunities to shitpost about GenshinPlease stop being retarded.
>>731553702how different was the combat? i heard it was more like xenoblade, like, how did attacks work?
>>731553134ToF is decent now. They even had FUCKING VEHICLES on launch.
>>731553605This, retards are just shitposting Like this one>>731553667
>>731553702No it isnt
>>731553723I mean Endfield quite obviously sacrificed its uniqueness to be more like Genshin, of course Genshin would be mentioned.
>>731553809It ishttps://youtu.be/ItrsvQKOWYU
>>731553852NTA but it's not the fact that Genshin is mentioned. It's the fact that people always feel the need to dogpile the game because it's popularity makes tribalistic retards feel insecure.
I'm currently doing DNA's quest. I'll switch over to Endfield soon. Something has to give because I can't be playing several gachas at once........
You wanted ANOTHER generic tower defense game? How is that any different?
>>731553905>a literally who’s opinion
>>731553725I have never played genshin in my life, but I got the feeling that genshin is your life, when you start talking like your life is the start and everyone else is copying your life.Like being a harry potter fan and seeing a lich in fantasy for the first time and saying "oh he's using a horrocrux"You did that just there with genshinMine wasn't a comment on genshin, it was a comment on your inability to have a life outside genshin
So what do you do in these games after you spend all the stamina points?
>>731553957You play the factory part
>>731553206she's such a well designed character
>>731553943At least attempt to do tower defense with your 3D BASE BUILDING SYSTEM
>>731554009Stop replying to yourself you faggot. Where are the mods to ban this dumb fuckHurry up and mass report this idiot so he can walk back to the router. Dumbass website
>>731553943Yes. I would rather have more tower defense instead of "It's Genshin but worse".
>>731553290isn't this an issue with every live service game?
>>731553950>you commented on a retard spouting nonsense? bro calm down you don't need to make the game your lifeBy your own logic Final Fantasy VIII must be your life. You need to get a life outside of FF.
>>731553947Every single point that's made is right. It's not an opinion, it's a factual analysis of what's in the game.
>>731554090Nah he is just a salty Arknight oldfag who want more of the same game
The lack of day/night cycle is killing the game for meI have yet to notice the weather changing dynamically too, feels like it's area-dependentYikes
>>731554060calm down
>>731554015Who the hell would want more tower defense? Clearly not the beta testers
>>731554163Nothing in the video corroborates that, aside from the commentary on Endfield's TD mode which makes sense.
>>731553495it looks like a shittier version of xenoblade's then again I'm just an outside observer
>>731554252They also clearly don't want a shittier clone of Genshin Impact.
>>731554163>NahExcellent rebuttal. You sure showed him.
>>731554332How do you know, devs listened to their feedbacks
>>731541919this is the game that made people lose their paypal? lmao
>>731554167It isnt open world and is separated between regions It doesnt need day night cycle or dynamic weather
>really enjoy the game>just nonstop negativity since it came out on 4chan (other places are a bit more positive but pretty much everywhere else on the internet is an echochamber)what are we even talking about saying it has genshin combatlike you guys know you don't have to mash right? you just hold the button downthe only thing i see in that webm that we didn't get in the final game is pausing to aim abilities, and that would have just slowed the game down frankly
>>731541919They should have also added coomer outfits
>>731554439Stfu that is the old version>>731554458This, the game is better now/v/ is just full of shiposters
>>731554458Wow, it's almost as if it's not a good game despite you enjoying it right now (you'll likely drop it after the honeymoon phase)
>>731541919>honkai impact 15thWowee, there definitely couldn't be anything better to spend my time and money on.
>>731554482No arknight isnt desperate like that ntr game
>>731554482the devs hate this, they're hiring trannies for the global side, this would hurt them
>>731554530We dont care about your seething opinion, see you next month
>>731554482It's an actual game and not fap material for Chinese/korean men who can't look up actual porn.
>>731554482They will but the coomer outfits will only be visible for their significant others and not the protagonist
>>731554696No it's a gacha. No no matter how hard you cope it's still a fucking gacha.
>>731554530i just see all these criticisms and i pretty much don't agree with any of them and it makes me wonder if other people are playing a different game>>731553134like this guy saying the environments are bland. sure valley 4 is a little understated, but i wouldn't call it bland. it's a rugged rocky wilderness area you're trying to bring industry tothe art direction is awesome, what are we talking about?the writing is fine, not amazing but not terribleexploration has chests and puzzles and colectibles so sure it's like genshin in that sense i guess, but needing to power devices in the field which requires you to expand your power grid is a unique element, and you also can't climb anything so you have to actually navigate the environment to find thingsno day night cycle, sure i guessthe pulls are backloaded, you have to actually play the game, this is a flaw if you don't plan to stick around i supposethere's not a ton of jiggle but most characters don't have big titsi didn't personally notice thisthis is just an opinion full stop, and i don't find the way endfield plays to be all that similar to either game. genshin is an open world exploration game with character hotswap gameplay, wuwa is closer to an action game. endfield plays more like xenoblade (x, specifically)yes, there are invisible walls. this is a flaw?it's only semi-open world, explorable zones. this too is similar to ff12 or xenoblade.i don't see why this is a big deal, it's so they don't block your view, camera mode exists for you to get a close looki never played the original AK so i dunno what this refers toi don't think so, the big planet skybox in valley 4 looks really coollike it just feels like i'm playing a different game than everyone else or that everyone is being overly criticalis the combat simple? yes, but i don't think that makes it unenjoyable
>>731554868Gachas are real games and are better than the AAA slop western and some japanese devs shit out these days
>>731554870Dont worry it is just a lot of vocal voices from shitposters, Archknight oldfags and fans from other gacha pretend to be playersThe game is great
>>731554696>gachasloppa>actual game
>this after 6 fucking years of dev hellDon't these chinks stop to think that when you try to make a Genshin clone you're already faded to lose cause people won't drop GI for a cheap copy? They're getting a real reality check like all the WoW killers 20 years agoAlso it's just a bad game overall with no uniqueness, like how wuwa has really smooth and good action gameplay despite it's flawsThis is also the problem of devs who did nothing but 2D chibi shit trying to get a piece of the cake, they don't know their strong points and never dabbed on 3D, AK trailers were a glorified tech demo than anything
>>731554868>>731554990It has gameplayYou can play it It is a game
So the way the banner works is that I have less than two weeks to get the rate-up character, after which she'll be replaced by a new rate-up. She'll still be in the banner, but she'll have the same rates as all the non-rate-up 6-stars. And after phase 3 of the banner ends, she's gone until her next banner.Why is it designed like this?
>>731554870It's okay to like crap, everyone eats fast food once in a while
Nian when?Dusk when?Shu when?
What baffles me is people pushing this "it would've been better if it was the beta" crap. No, it wouldn't. It would still be beholden to the rules of gachaFuck you.
>>731555171Nothing is wrong with being a gacha
Penguin
>>731554870The art direction isn't awesome, the game gave up on day night cycle and dynamical weather so it should deliver outstanding art direction but instead there is very little variety and it's all a forgettable mass with no landmarks. Valley IV isn't ugly per se, it just doesn't stand out and the variety is nonexistent, you've a square meter of valley IV, you've seen everything it had style wise.The writing isn't fine you fucking slop slurper, it's absolute fucking dogshit, like Wuwa-tier bad, it's written like every chink gacha those past few years, a bland self insert mc that everyone sucks off with every single character being one-note and a wholesome forgettable chungus so as to appeal to the lowest common denominatorthe exploration is simply worse than Genshin, Genshin didn't have immersion breaking invisible walls and you could use every character for environmental puzzles because it made use of its elemental system outside of combat too, the factory system does this to an extent but it's always the same busywork : just connect the pylonsthe pull economy is godawful, they aren't only backloaded, the monthly shop give you banner specific pulls, the monthly pass gives you less than other games, if they're going for 3 banners per patch it'll be the stingiest 3d gacha ever but 1.1 will make that clear I guessThe issue with jiggling is that it's completely botched, the breasts jiggle when you run and walk but when you trigger any other animation like jumping or attacking, the breasts are as stiff as a brickIt would've been wiser to not add jiggle physics at all because in the current state it just looks off and like they stopped halfway
>>731554924>>731555026>it has gameplay>you are only allowed to do x amount shit per day>you need to buy allowance materials to roll for game mechanics with a fancy jpgs attached to them>you are only guaranteed for the desired unlock-able game mechanics when you either wait till the corpo give you the allowance material for it or spent real money to get them>but muh story>which they could also put it in a real game>only AAA slops are games there is no indie market no sir>btw fuck bethesda for inventing dlcs>game is unfinished and it will die an unfinished product foreverSo let's label them as real games>Early Access slop>DLC slop>f2p slop>"""crafting""" slop>always online drm slop>p2w slop>stamina slop>grind slop
Double down on the yuri aspect, at least that would make Endfield stand out amongst the open-world games
>>731555464This is bait, but the guy shouldn't be grabbing a girl's waste like he's a faggot.
>>731553943i want something like Kunitsu-gami
>>731555464I don't recall this. I picked the girl and I distinctly remember her awkward arm position while riding behind Perlica.
>>731555570Which is a forgotten flop
>>731555528waist*
I was going to drop it but I got Yvonne after only 40 pulls on the Featured Banner because I lost the 50/50. She was the only character I wanted and now that I don't have to save for her I guess I'll stick around to see if the game hits EoS.
Uhhh... Any DNA players around? How do I even grab these?
>>731555817Don't think it'll EOS but the stingy chinky developers must be panicking hard between the PayPal fumble and the lukewarm reception everywhere they're sweating real hard as they definitely thought they were delivering a generational hit
>>731555942What can even be a generational hit at this point?
DNA looks good at maxed settings, but goddamn, it's so unoptimized. Hero hasn't really giving the game some meaningful bug fixes.
>>731541919holy shit all of these unreal animeslop games look the same
>>731555965You blind or something?
>>731555348yeah I just don't agree with you, sorryi've played genshin and wuwa plenty as well so it's not like i don't have those to compare it to. i like it for different reasons than i like wuwa, and frankly i only play genshin for exploring new environments whenever they release one because thats the only thing its good at, its combat and storytelling fucking suck>immersion breaking invisible wallslmao, it's a videogame>pull economyi mean it's yet to be seen i guess. it could end up being completely fuck awful if new patches don't add a lot of pulls, but in that case i just have to go f2p and accept whatever i luck into>jiggle physics are tied to animationthat's unfortunate i guess but not exactly a dealbreaker
Wuling is ages away. This is not some 5 hour tutorial, this is fucking 25 hours out, plus grinding.
>>731556031Ice Lake was kind of eh, but the new area is kind of neat with WuWa-style grass.
>>731556141The only people praising Wuling are those with standards low enough they would've liked anything anywayThis happens for every game that>gets good after 10/50/100hourssince shiteaters are the only remaining players they'll tell you the later content is amazing
I think I hate Perlica.
>>731556314The Yangyang of Endfield. A forced waifu.
>>731555057To make their players quit when they find out the devs designed banners to be pure dogshit for non-whaling customersYou barely get enough rolls from the playing the game too so they're intent on making sure their players just move on to other gachas
Perlica embodies the worst aspects of characters like Mash Kyrielight and Sonetto with none of the positives.
>>731556476I think Endfield is a dolphin gameToo stingy for f2p but dupes are so mediocre you don't want to whale
So it's basically unreasonable to expect to get all three waifus for this banner without whaling, right?
>>731555419FUCK YOU!!!
>>731541919As an arknights fan sicme the release I'm very disappointed with this game. It's all style with very little substance. Like visually it is stunning , the landscapes are jaw droppingly beautiful but the gameplay is veyr run of the millThe only interesting part about the gameplay is the base building mechanic and that's it.
>>731556908Get to Wuling
>>731556908And oh my god the exposition, it's genuienly getting on my nerves. Ebeye minute there's a "well you did this and you had a relationship like that" line. So for the story presentation isn't very impressive
>>731557460Its fucking Arknights what were you expecting?
What a brutal survey to fill out. Good luck to the team.
>endfield is good but only after you spend 20 hours to unlock the next regiongrim
>>731557498them learning from their mistakes
>>731557786Can it really be considered a mistake when its already part of its identity?
DNA is showing signs it's not doing so good. It'll be the first gacha game I played to EOS very early.The main problem, for me, is how stingy the game is for premium pulls. No currency drops from quests, chests and events. And the worst part? If you pay for the monthly sub, you WILL NOT get daily currency drops. It ruins the point to buy the sub. So unless you're very lucky, you will never get the premium skins as F2P or as dolphin-lite.
>Just ignore the first 25 hours of the game, it gets betterDid they drank the same Kool aid as mmofags? Holy shit
>>731557498A little bit more natural dialog. I am just forcing myself to read these lines rather than enjoying it. It feels less liel a dialog beğene two characters and more like someone giving me a summary on a book. Exposition isn't necessarily a bad thing but the wya you implement it is super important
>DNA>gacha gameStop being retarded.
>>731556983That's a really retarded answer cause more people play the beginning of the game than the ending so you should at least make the beginning as good as possible Imagine in Witcher 3 if White Orchard was a million tutorials popping up handholding you to kill the Griffin instead of just showing you the basics and not treating you like a retard and just explore the game yourself
>>731556983Most people will decide whether they want to continue playing a game or not within the first hour. Telling them "It gets good X hours in" will lead them to uninstall and play something that better respects their time.
>>731541919I refuse to play any gacha 3/4 fighter game anymore. They all inveitably turn into an unplayable mess where even if you save for one character, that character has such a specific role and kit that requires 2 other paid characters to enable them, and the combat becomes fucking miserable. I really REALLY liked WuWa during the duration of the 1.0 updates because it didn't do this, but in 2.0 they gave up and decided to do this too and have every single character useless by themselves, and I just left.Someone needs to make an action gacha game where you actually just fight as one person at a time but their kit is complex.
>>731559592>I want a gacha that undermines its monetization modelJust go play a real action game and not w glorified errand simulator.
>>731559790There have been gacha games where characters are self sustainable and the sun hasn't collapsed.
Average 2D gacha:>Here is enough currency to pull every character for doing 10 minute dailies>Tons of free stuff on top of the already generous economy>Dupes either don't matter or are easy to getAverage Genshit clone:>Here is enough currency to get one shot at a single 50/50 every month if you slave away in this open world for dozens of hours>You might get three multi to celebrate the game's anniversary and you better be thankful>Dupes are key to unlock a character's full potentialArknights should have stuck to 2D.
>>731559918And the best and biggest revenue generators are the 3D gachas, with 2D gachas barely avoiding EoS. Being too generous compromises a gacha
>>731560056FGO, Blue Archive and Nikke are the most popular "things" across the entire eastern side of the world. Not even just games, they're the most popular and insanely rich IPs in that part of the globe.
>>731557961Its not any better after 25 hours and after you unlock the chink region.It's just harder to drop it because you already invested so much time in it. Typical gacha shit
>>731560056It's easier to convince one guy to spend $500 on a 3D gacha banner than it is convincing 80 players of buying a skin for the 2D (and most often chibi during gameplay) character they got for free
>>731560160FGO is the only 2D game listed there, and that's an ancient game back when 2D gachas were the only thing on the market. BA and Nikke uses 3D assets
>>731559592WuWa got so fucking garbage in just one update that its legit baffling.Release to final 1.0 update>cool post apocalyptic setting with unique lore, atmosphere and kickass music>characters are an unique blend of military outfits and traditional outfits>every character is their own full kit and can work by themselves2.0 update>No more post apocalypse, no more atmosphere, the world is just a fantasy theme park ride like genshin>5 stars are completely useless on their own now>music is generic garbage
>>7315603863.0 is hollow earth sci-fi kino
>>731559592>Someone needs to make an action gacha game where you actually just fight as one person at a time but their kit is complex.Isn't that Punishing Grey Raven? I uninstalled it after 30 minutes so I can't vouch for it, your time is better spent on a musou if you just want to mindlessly fight for fun and meager rewards
>>731560160You're objectively wrong and when you say "entire eastern" you really mean "in Japan" which doesn't even matter and is still wrong. Honor of Kings makes more money just from the Chinese than those three gachas you mentioned combined make globally. You're fucking clueless.
>>731560546ok, I don't care. I want my game with weird creatures made from concrete and objects transformed by dark audio energies and cool industrial music back
>>731559592>gacha>complexNever going to happen. It's impossible to make a DMC-tier character kit 30 times per year with everyone feeling unique.
>>731560372>2D game listed thereBA and Nikke are still 2D gacha games by design, they aren't molded after Mihoyo's garbage.
>>731560386nobody gives shit about le post apocalyptic
>>731560668>30 times per yearmihoyo style gachas release like, 3 characters per year.
>>731559592I was intially looking forward to Silver Palace because prior to the beta all the stuff shown had the game using just one character in a "team", so I was like "Oh cool, a gacha fighter where characters aren't useless!" Then the CBT dropped and we know its just like genshin and the others.
>>731553631>You are spouting the most banal and common thing in any jrpgand Endfield doesn't even have it. Dang.
>>731541919why did they make an open world with so many invisible walls you can't even jump over a rock, you have to go around it.placing all these walls literally takes more effort than the genshin approach of only walling map edges and letting the player climb everywhere- trusting it's very difficult to actually get stuck.
>>731560731Wuwa released 14 in a year, I'm pretty sure Genshin would've released about the same or more since Genshin characters are simpler.
>>7315478672 had extremely fun combat once it finally let you use all of the mechanics.
>>731560731What the fuck are you talking about? Genshin has a completely new 5* every 2-4 weeks and a few 4*s sprinkled in here and there as well. HSR releases even more than that.
>>731561135>new 5* every 2-4 weeks
>>731561548Yeah, zzz wins
>>731559918>Dupes are key to ruining the game by making it too easy, despite already being easyftfy
>>731561548>18>15do all these fucks count every single banner?in 2025 WuWa had just 8 or 9 characters released (can't remember if Pheobe was very end of 24 or start of 25).And I don't play genshin, but I browse danbooru every day and I've only seen one new genshin broad since the start of 2025 posted.
>>731561548does ZZZ even have 18 characters in the game as a whole? I only know of the mc, Jane, Joe and the fox lady.
>>731560731>>731561548Holy shit you couldn't be more wrong. What a retard.
>>731541919>genshin but badwhat is the reason for this game to existeven as a new player, anyone can just download genshin, get to experience 6 years worth of updates, an unholy ammount of features and a better gacha system
>>731555874Yoo is that where winds meet?
>>731561768Maybe they want their character to look good instead of some low res copy pasted slop?
I don't see how they are going to change combat to make it better.
>>731561869Wow yeah fantastic job surely people are going to care that the characters look good when the rest of the game is dogshit. Damn what a brilliant idea.Look I get that you really want to shit on Genshin but you've gotta not go about it in a completely retarded way that makes you look like an idiot. Think before you post.
>>731547853>Gatcha before Genshit>80 rolls, guaranteelook at this dumb motherfucker, i want you to look at something like granblue with their 300 rolls and then come back here and complain that genshin ruined everything. fucking fgo took years before they finally decided to implement pity and guess what, it's 330 rolls ONCE PER FUCKING BANNER AND it doesn't carry over. you want more than 1 copy of the character? pray.you might not like what genshin did when standardizing how pulls are expected to work but holy FUCK things were worse...unless you're a nip who is used to getting fucked over.
>>731541919are they pressing a button for each attack or are the basic attacks auto-ing?
>>731562004Take mihomo's flaccid cock out of your mouth
>>731562417Chink gachas always had better rates and pity from the start long before genshin.
>>731562004My Genshin account mogs yours and I've been playing it for longer than youHaving ugly ass character is the biggest flaw you can have in a gacha, Endfield being lackluster in several fields is easily made up by how quality its models and animations are
>>731562504iirc when it looked like that it was autoing as the game is now you have to hold a button to attack, so it's basically the same
>>731541919The panda is cute
>>731562417Are you seriously praising Genshin for helping to standardize gacha devs applying lube to your anus before sodomizing you until you bleed?
>>731562632would you rather have a guarantee of getting character in X pulls or OR GET THIS just keep pulling for hundreds of times.
>>731562530>no retortEasy concession. Thanks for giving up and kneeling.>>731562598Unfortunately your opinion doesn't mean anything. Weird, even elementary school children are taught the difference between facts and opinions. Maybe Binky's game was a little too difficult for you.
>>731562628kill yourself homo furfag
>>731562763No, I don’t think I will.
>>731562417Some old gachas had some absolute dogshit rates with no pity, but the good ones tended to have a generous pull income and rates high enough that even without pity you'd get every character
>>731562760It's a fact that Genshin characters are fucking low quality and shitty. It's also a fact that gacha games put the most focus on their character releases since that's where money comes from.You're just a slop eater with sunk cost that can't free himself from the outdated mediocre game he's been playing for years despite newer games surpassing it.
>>731553375>They're addictive to playNo they're not, they all have bottom-of-the-barrel slop gameplay because most of their effort went into making coom.
>>731562974>durr... slop! slop slop!And yet Genshin is still going strong after half a decade while everyone is expecting Endfield to have an early EoS. Learn when to take the knee and save yourself the embarrassment. Concession accepted.
>>731562417I can play with my characters just fine on granblue without rolling though. Now deeps racing and actually clearing hard content is one thing but for tism wars and daily grinds i'm all set for life. Meanwhile i have to scrounge up bottom of the barrel (literally) to be able to play the game in chinkge, and it's not like the game is challenging at all, the only challenge is time attack used to encourage people to spend more because of some psychological effect or something. Anyway point is, in granblue gacha is one way to get power up in fact you're going to get filtered anyway if you're not an autist. Chinkge centered their design around gacha down to every miniscule part.
>>731562967>but the good ones tended to have a generous pull incomeand they can still have those, personally i have no idea what hypergryph was smoking when they came up with this current abomination.
>>731563057>B-but money! It sells so it's good!Yeah, 50 shades of grey is one of the greatest novels ever released.Sweet concession from a media illiterate retard. Sunk cost got you good.
>>731553375Gachas are only addictive the same way Cookie Clicker is for some playersHere is a question to ask yourself when you ponder why you play a game so much:>Would you keep playing if you lost your account/savefile?If the answer is no, then gameplay is not the game's main appeal
>B-but character models! They're high fidelity so the game is good!Unfortunately reality does not agree with you. Easy concession. You're no longer even worth the (You)s because you're just that retarded.
>>731561548ZZZ released 18 characters in one year?I dropped the game since a while and only follow casually, and I had no idea it was since much, I'm very surprised.
>>731563239>>Would you keep playing if you lost your account/savefile?>If the answer is no, then gameplay is not the game's main appealI'm not defending gachas, but that's a stupid way of putting things. Lots of people would drop a game, such as a RPG or adventure game if they hours long save file would be deleted, just out of pure disappointment.
>>731563286A steady release of characters are the one thing setting gacha apart from regular games, they're the single most important thing.Keep your delusions for you buddy, you're so fucking retarded it hurts. I can't imagine being so terminally online you think not giving a (you) is some kind of own. Reminder : my Genshin account mogs yours to hell and back, but I'm clear sighted enough to not lot sunk cost stifle my brain. Granted, you must be easily overwhelmed in life so I don't really hold it against you.
>>731563309Yeah miHoYo is going hard on ZZZ trying to save the game because it's underperforming hard compared to Genshin and HSR. Unfortunately they still haven't figured out what the hell they want the game to be so player retention is low and each soft relaunch brings back fewer and fewer players.
>>731563419RPGs are a good example thoYou don't play them for the gameplay like you'd play a fighting game or a roguelike
>can't argue the point so he's still trying to rage baitThis is just pathetic.
>>731557934>that screenshotDo thet devs love WWM that much or chi ks just can't avoid doing plagiarism?
I am hardgated by fucking mushrooms
>>731563591>Everstone Studio invented nature found in China
>>731563591Anon it's a Chinawank region. They all have an extremely similar aesthetic.
>>731559918I remember PaD's gacha>here's your daily login bonus! >oh, also your daily login bonus for the week-long event that happens every week! >oh, and here's a gratuity bonus too! >also a streamer beat the new raid so here's a celebration bonus! >also it's our anniversary so here's a bonus for that too! >and here's a bonus just cause! >also here's like 30 free rolls on top of all that!
>>731541919The game is okay, it gets a bit more interesting the further you go but the combat really brings it down and i wish they kept the xenoblade combat because it really lends itself for mobile gameplay without sacrifing too much depth
>>731541919I take everything back. This looks way worse. Current gameplay is much better
When is the fix coming?
>>731563986Right now, it is fixed
>>731541919It doesn't look too good, but Xenoblade-style gameplay is pretty interesting, overall, so I wonder why people did not liked it.
>another genshin killer fails to kill genshin>another genshin killer fails to even survive the first monthis Genshin Impact actually that good of a game that it cant be killed?
>>731552428The world isnt as open, its more open zones with some being corridors. There is a low traversal options this doesn't have, you can't fly or you can't swim and but you connect towers like death stranding.
>>731563857>Current gameplay is much betterCurrent gameplay is far too flawed. You've got your whole squad out splitting enemies every-fucking-where across the battle arena and yet you're stuck with shitty tab targetting which makes it a pain in the ass to use certain skills whereas with the original combat you could freely choose where to use your AoEs without fucking around with dogshit targeting.
>>731541919Wait wait a moment. The original gameplay had multiple skill with range? That's so much better than what we got!
>>731564178Why would they remove the targetingseriously why
>>731564115the issue is that they're trying to beat genshit in its own game instead of trying to make space for a new niche
>>731563309>>731561726
>>731541919Do people realize that these threads are mostly from retarded, dishonest, tribalistic gachaniggers making up stuff? It is always like this. A new gacha comes out and those mihoyo and kuro shitters feel threatened and badmouth it for weeks on /vg/ and then on /v/. And they do it for free.
>>731564115People have been playing Genshin for about 6 years at this point so unless another gacha comes out that's basically "Genshin but better" people won't bother moving on.There's also the fact that these companies are still chasing the Genshin high for some reason while Hoyo is constantly moving into different genres.
>>731564334What are they lying about then? That the story is actually good? That the gameplay is fun?
>>731564115Sunk cost falacy is one hell of a drugGachas also suffer from the same issue as TCGs>New player wants to get in>Tons of games but many could die within two years>Ends up picking a game based on popularity rather than quality
>>731564178its action combat. you can aoe anyone from any angle. you clearly dont even play the game. all you did was watch streams and pick up whatever other shitposters are saying.
>>731553631>You are spouting the most banal and common thing in any jrpgThere are no JRPGs with anything comparable to Genshin's absurd reaction system
I got this in one 10-pull. Yay, I guess?
>>731564486My only problem is to roll a character you don't really use because their sole role is apply a debuff/buff/summon and leave the whole battle
>>731564463No you can't retard. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Should I reroll? I'm not getting anything good.
>>731564463The point is that you can't actually aim your skills dipshit you just target whoever you're locked that you can't use on the middle of a bunch of enemies it's always on a specific enemy and the AI buddies are always spreading them
>>731564486There has got to be some niche indie game with something similarCombining stuff is has been fan favorite mechanic for 10 years
>>731564323When you put it like that, yeah it makes sense.Man, I wish I liked that game.
>>731564486Needs to be updated with Zibai/Columbina for Lunar Crystallize.
>>731564115Not really, it just has the advantage of being first and standing on it's own for years. People aren't going to drop a game they've put years into, in favour of a new, but similar game.
>>731564319>instead of trying to make space for a new nichethe irony that they have so much money because Arknights created a new niche but now they're letting Arknights fall into neglect
>>731564609One thing I learned from gachas is that getting in early and keeping playing is usually the best strat than a proper reroll.
seems like hypergrift's checks finally cleared
I did it guys
>>731564486The reaction system is cool on paper, but in practice it just turns everyone into EQ bots.
>>731564738Man, I should roll just for Hoshi, she's my favourite character.I played AK for years, I just dropped it because... well, the gacha kinda grinded me out, honestly.
It looks good on her, but this sword is meant for pyro characters, it seems.
>>731564886Awful female mc
>>731564486I dropped genshin pretty early on because the only thing I could do with my free characters was drop Fischl bird, drop Xiangling(?) bear, and watch them auto-react enemies to death. Auto attacks did shit damage compared to this so all I was doing was waiting on cooldowns to kill anything.
>>731564626You could point to something like Magika but the novelty of Genshin's system is just how awkward it is and how many things there are to be manipulated and optimised for. It's a system that almost nobody would design on purpose because it's very very difficult to control and the potential damage per second swings it can account for are in the 400% range. If Genshin were not a gacha then they would probably have redesigned the whole thing in a patch by now, after Sucrose national double swirl full vape with double vaped raincutters blew all of their limited shit out of the water in 1.0, but they let it run and now it's absurd and out of control
>332 posts>81 genshin mentionswe have another wuwa lolcow
>>731564993The curse of having Sh*n playing your game.
>>731564993>devs pivot their new game to ape genshin>people mention genshinhow unexpected
>>731564849That has nothing to do with the reaction system and everything to do with character kit design and the general winning strategy in most gacha games being funneling as much power as possible into a single character. Even then there are teams you can run where you use more than one character on field.
>>731564993>Conveniently ignores the second post being a hoyobot shitting on the game and comparing it to GenshinMan, you jeets love to sniff your own farts, huh.
>>731565190>stating facts means you're a "hoyobot"The devs literally made drastic changes to the game's combat to make it function more like Genshin. Why can't you simply accept a fact as a fact? Why do you have to spin it as some tribalistic shilling? Are you seriously that insecure? Does your entire personality revolve around whatever game you're playing at the moment?
>>731564849The reaction system is cool beacuse enemies can use it against youThe apex of genshin design, magu kenki likes to swirlrape you and his attacks rape you if he gets to swirl you
>>731564486Genshin's reaction system is a fucking joke. The only reactions that DO something are freeze, overloaded, bloom and crystallize. Half of those are dogshit btw.The remaining reactions are just colored damage numbers that are no different from any buff/debuffs and conditional attacks in any other game ever. The lunar trash they've been adding and the skirk freeze comps that don't freeze are just an admission of failure, they can't keep their shitty system going.
>Cryston componentsOkays that's... much harder to do.I wish i could quickly swap to one AIC to another to be sure where I produce what, it's not always very clear.
>>731565326>boss applies dendro to you>press benny Q>burn to death instantlykino
>>731564951>Auto attacks did shit damage compared to thisan unfortunate consequence of the mechanics, basic attacks aren't worthwhile unless they're on a carry with a steroid that your team is dedicated to pumping the damage of. But that does describe a lot of the best teams in the game, balance is just very weird at level 20 when your team is Traveller, XL, Fish and Amber
>>731565326My favorite is when Electro enemies use your Dendro cores against you and Hyperbloom you.>>731565360>reductionist fallacyRetard.
>>731565326You mean used to use it against you.
>>731565095That has everything to do with the reaction system, since that's where the vast majority of your damage comes from. There's no point on wailing on an enemy with your pitiful normal attacks after you've applied an element to it. So naturally you immediately swap to another character and apply their element for a reaction. Yeah there are exceptions to this, but the majority of team comps are just quickly cycling through characters to use their E/Q.
>>731565413It's not reductionism faggot, I've explicitly outlined the reactions that were actually reaction and not renamed mechanics you can find everywhere else.
>>731541919this whole thread has a /vmg/ stench. you'd be a fool to take anything these shitposters say about the game seriously
>>731553134>No day night cycleLMAO you cannot be serious?
>>731565424>That has everything to do with the reaction systemThis is incorrect. Repeating yourself doesn't make it correct.>There's no point on wailing on an enemy with your pitiful normal attacks after you've applied an element to it. So naturally you immediately swap to another character and apply their element for a reaction.This is an issue of character kit design, not the reaction system. For example there are team comps that make use of Bennett's Pyro infusion to enable more reactions through basic combos. There's also a use for the Traveler's new CA buff for enabling reactions or applying specific elements without needing to use a skill/burst cooldown to do so(which is important because you don't always want to set up a persistent effect, sometimes you just want to quickly apply an elemental aura for another character to trigger an effect/reaction.)>>731565505It is reductionist. The way you can build teams revolving around transformative reactions is entirely different from how you build a standard team. Sumeru made this blatantly obvious with low investment Hyperbloom teams.
>>731565632yeah it doesn't have it
>>731565307>Make it function more like GenshinBut it doesn't. Genshin doesn't even have a timed dodge mechanic. The OP didn't mention Genshin at all, and yet Genshin was immediately brought up, and only for another hoyobot to complain how often Genshin was brought up.
>>731565505The pure damage ones you find boring are still integrated into the rest of the system, and there's more to them than you say. Application order and frequency matter, who and when triggers them matters, rate of triggering them matters, other reactions stealing the units of the elemental aura matter, and so on. Just because you branded it as boring doesn't mean they're some kind of non-interactive fire and forget system, don't have any depth to them or that they exist in a vacuum.
>>731565704NTA but Sumeru was the last time Genshin made proper use of its elemental systemFontaine made it secondary, Natlan and Nod Krai killed it with extremely rigid team building
I appreciate how this game isn't nearly as much of a blatant Genshin clone like Wuwa is (down to the UI and currency ratios being nearly identical) but man the combat just sucks and from what I've seen of the technical test it seems most of the changes they made were for the worse.
>>731565632One of the reason why the game is being widely regarded as "Well Optimized" with even shitty phone can play it and it still looks great.
>>731565704And the kits are designed that way because of the reaction system. Everything about the game's combat is designed around the reaction system. Even if you can make a comp that allows a character to have extended field time, that will only come about after 3/4 team have been cycled through for their E/Q, and even the field character will just be mashing NA.
>>731541919the game that ENDED the myth of chinese gaming industry finding any success. the FLOP that KILLED the gacha genre and FINISHED the chinese
>>731565881That's not a failing of the reaction system though and that's not even entirely true. You can still run transformative reaction teams just fine for 99% of the game's content and Lauma brought Nilou bloom back up to relevance in terms of relative power. The easiest way to get through IT if you don't have heavily invested characters is to lean on the reaction buffs. It's only Fearless+ SO where the system falls short and that's purely because of a scaling issue. The foundation itself is solid and functions perfectly fine.>>731566052Anon I'm not sure why you're so adamant that repeating yourself will make you correct. It won't. You're wrong. Concession accepted. Stop being a retard.
>>731565820>Application order and frequency matterJust like in every game ever. You apply a def debuffs before attacking and you refresh it when necessary. And the dedicated support applies these.The one thing I'm conceding is that theoretically you could be careful about elemental aura not overriding each other but in practice I can't remember the last time Genshin offered me any content where this mattered.
>>731566132I'm repeating myself because you can't seem to understand such a simple fact.
>>731566234>Just like in every game ever. You apply a def debuffs before attacking and you refresh it when necessary.Genshin's elemental gauge system literally changes your optimal combos because with a standard "apply debuff, go ham" system you do exactly that; apply your buffs/debuffs and then nuke the fuck out of the target until said buffs/debuffs run out. You can't just do that in Genshin though. You need enough elemental application to sustain through the reaction-drivers elemental application. This is the entire foundation of Melt/Vaporize teams and those are considered the most simple reactions.
>>731566132It's not a failing of the reaction system but it shows that the devs are giving up on it in order to make the latest units more appealing. Nilou is literally the only normal character to have seen a significant boost with the lunar shilling, Nahida is always the worst unit of her teams just like Shenhe is the worst member of Skirk's team. Ever since Natlan teambuilding has nosedived, the best teams are fixed and the more complex reaction related teams have fallen off insanely hard. They're still usable for casual content but the hp inflation ramped up so hard it simply feels bad to see a billion numbers on your screen while doing precise rotations while the latest teams do ten times your damage with almost no work.
>>731566234>Just like in every game ever. You apply a def debuffs before attacking and you refresh it when necessaryYeah but it's a bit more involved than that. For different teams have to pick the characters for which the off-field app works out for example (some may be not enough, some too much, some may be enough but the timings are shit), maybe even wait before you press certain buttons (like in melt Mavuika or Kino teams), or balance how much aura the enemy has by freestyling and swapping a bit, as well as other considerations.That being said, I'm not the anon you were arguing with originally, and I agree that they've not been leveraging the system much in recent times, despite it being the most interesting and defining aspect of the game's combat. The state of the balance and teambuilding in the game is quite sad nowadays.
I'm too much of a retard to do that recursive shit with the plants and seeds.
Endfield replaced Genshin for me, mostly because Endfield is still rife with potential and it could improve a lot despite its current stateGenshin won't be more than what it is now, the growth stopped awhile ago and there is little to expect when it comes to significant changes
>>731545883Funny enough, Genshin already have Tower Defense style minigames long before their Wonderland expansion.
>>731567806its literally the easiest thing you can doIt just takes a fuck ton of spaceFinish planting tutorial and they'll give you a working blueprint
>>731568091Okay thanks.Actually I understand the whole thing, but i feel cramped in these small areas.In satisfactory I could just C/V everything in infrastructure and not care about space, here I must be efficient and It makes me anxious.
>>731550854>>731552215He's talking about actual elemental interactions. And right now Divinity Original Sin series seems to have the one with the most environmental impact.For example, Fire on Water creates steam clouds, lighting onto water create electrified water surface, but lightning into Steam clouds creates static clouds, etc...
>>731553134The game doesn't have actual Open World, it is more like different zones
>>731556537It is likely that future characters get better benefits from duplicates. In early Genshin and Star Rail, the constellations/eidolens on early characters were basically irrelevant, but later characters's were completely game changing.
>>731543504I just got to it, gonna hammer it tonight after work
>>731568806Of course. Revenue starts to shrink over time so to incentivize more spending they lock more of a character's power behind dupes.
>>731545883wuwa did this in an event, literally orcs must die and it was KINOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9EdQKh7rbM
>>731569149ah shit not the clip i wantedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJpuuWLihKs
>>731568024This is such extreme cope when leaks are already talking about genshin 2 and knowing just how much money hoyo can throw at it, but sure feel free to play your slopfield
>>731541919>Arknights endfield>Gay troon fujo fan base >Reports other games for having sexy girls >Get trash as a result Many such cases
>>731569529Endfield would unironically fare better if they catered to their original fanbase (shippers and prudes)
>>731541972>Is there any tower defense notions in the game?yes there is
>>731566523>Ever since Natlan teambuilding has nosedivedYou're just looking at the tippy top 3 teams. Durin made Lyney good, Mona is now used in a highly competitive Mualani team and bouncing C0 Hu Tao is 100k dps now
>>731570821>bouncing C0 Hu Taoqrd?
WHO DID ITYOU DID ARKNIGHTS ENDFIELD
>>731572035she's so sexy
>>731571651Probably means either jump cancelling or Xinyan plunge team. Either way the point is c1 is no longer required for Hu Tao to stay relevant.
>>731572174Keep going
