>pseudslop for marxist midwits
this game is touted as being "written by an author" and professional authors havent been any good for almost 50 years so i dont care about it
>>731608761>Marxist>midwitRepeated yourself there twice, anon
This is basically the peak of millenial writing, which aint saying much
Why? I haven't played it, what are some examples of it being marxist?
>>731608761It's actually hopeslop for depressed fujos but whatever
i feel like this game unfairly gets slapped with the commie label because the setting itself takes place in a failed commie state so on a surface level it's more plainly visiblethe game repeatedly skewers commies and everything else
DUDE ALCOHOL LMAO
>>731609483this game can only dishonestly skewer socialism as all the writers are commies
>>731608761it criticizes performative Marxist bookworms more than anyone else
>>731609483>unfairly slappedIt is more than fair that it gets slapped that label. Everything surrounding it directly saying that it is. From the devs, to the setting to the "self-loathing" of oh how it's just misunderstood. You have to be one of those weird-ass liberals that play defense and obfuscate socialist media so it makes it seem more palatable to those who are against that sort of thing.
Should've been a visual novel, which it basically is
>>731609726>From the devsthey comment on their home country going to shit because of neoliberalismi don't know of any interviews where they claim to be commies
I like the secrets and mysterious oddities in the game
>>731609796It fundamentally is. The wandering aspect brings no bear to the actual gameplay. It can ultimately be deconstructed into a visual novel with no loss of ludo-narrative.
>>731609838The official creator line is that actually true communism and believing in communism enough will fix everything and get rid of The Pale. I cannot remember where I read this, I think it was in one of the spinoff materials.
>>731608761This used to be bait.
>>731610127in-game the pale is halted (at least temporarily) if you build the club in the church without selling drugsnot sure if that has anything to do with commies though
Genuine question. How do you progress in this game?I put it off for years because of the dipshit fanbase (who are now attempting to destroy its devs' next game because they kicked the communists off their team) and am actually quite enjoying it, but I'm 30 hours in and I have no idea how to advance the gamestate. I'm on day 4 of a Psyche run with three-going-on-four maxed stats and I'm already getting 97% checks for them. It regularly makes me take half the entire map on foot just to get to a potential quest lead and none of the 10+ items in my quest manager ever go anywhere. What is going on here and why are there so many channels on YT that have completed this thing when it seems so obviously impossible to finish?
>>731608761>Disco Elysium thread>Oh ni->just chuds bitching about commies again>someone made a thread praising chinaLike clockwork.
>>731610472who do you think killed tree guy and why is he in the tree?
>>731609853>spooky>the look is very intenseIt's like a child wrote this.
Is there a bigger indicator of mental retardation than thinking the game endorses communism?
>>731608938Hmm that is an interesting framing
it's a solid crpg
>>731609483The game reduces the human condition to what color flag you wave. It's one of the most unpleasant and unappealing settings I've ever seen, and it only could've been made by people who have swiss cheese for brains.
>>731613234what
>>731610472You might actually be a dipshit if you're 30 hours into a fucking 6 hour game. I did most of the side quests, too.
>>731610472>its devs' next gamelol retardThe Bioware that released Anthem and Veilguard are the same people that made KOTOR, amirite?
>>731609483It gets unfairly slapped with the commie label because there's loads of dipshits floating around 4chan that think Joe McCarthy was a role-modelI was given an unwilling reminder recently that holy SHIT the average kekistani and Sneed's Feed & Seed memelord is mindnumbingly stupid, and on top of it they have a hair-trigger for believing anything and everything is out to get them. A heady mixture of pathetic and proud, and neither P has an actual root cause
>>731612126what did he mean by this
>>731613491nta but i agree thats not a good caption and it would probably be a lot better without one
>>731613406>That Brawl game at school in 2018 where I had to sit between a kid who unironically called himself a "Kekistani refugee" while selecting his palette swap for Captain Falcon and my stereotypical They Might Be Giants Reddit shitlib math teacher with a ponytail who performatively asked him why he was "identifying with a hate group"
>>731609853Lol, dafuq?
>>731613406to be fair, communism is bad and must be expunged from humanity
>>731613648EEEEYYYAAARGGGGHHHHHHH
>>731608761>buzzword barrageyeah, your "opinion" is irrelevant
>>731613648>kid who unironically called himself a "Kekistani refugee" while selecting his palette swap for Captain Falcon
https://www.youtubemultiplier.com/69770217dbe53-party-rockers-in-the-house-tonight-every-body-just.php
>>731613648lol
>>731609371It mentions communards.For some reason, zoomies and millennials fear "political" words.
Marxism is based.
>>731613872That's not even close to what I said
>>731614981My favorite part of Marxism is when Karl "Revolutionary" "Marx" says you should literally seek out and execute anyone who is more talented and intelligent than you.
>>731609726>You have to be one of those weird-ass liberals that play defense and obfuscate socialist media so it makes it seem more palatable to those who are against that sort of thing.The game is already very successful and popular, why would anyone need to run covert ops to hide the fact that it's totally-a-propaganda-piece?
>>731615349Because they're marketing it here?
>>731613406mccarthy was right and your existence proves it.
>>731615185Yeah, well that wouldn't be a thing if smart people weren't such condescending smartasses all the time, no?
>>731615418>marketing a game that came out seven years ago
>>731615471Right, I've never seen any other threads for this commieslop, this must be the first one you've ever made.
>>731608761You can choose to denounce communism, and become a racist.The politics aren't even the point of the game, the point of the game is to be a silly detective and try to become a better person(or worse).
>>731615576> I've never seen any other threads for this commieslopMaybe because it's a good game?
I love alcoholism.
>>731615576if you've never seen a thread for it here you're a newnigger desu.
>>731609483It's commie, because it's blatantly written by marxists, from a marxist perspective.If you can't even see it for yourself, you have no place trying to claim whether the game is marxist or not.
>>731609483The game skewers everyone, but if you walk away from this story thinkin "wow communism good" - you didnt understand a single bit of what the lesson here was.
>>731608761I didn't care for all the ideological stuff, I just had some great laughs playing it. I guess I'm a midwit or maybe even a dimwit.
What is the difference between Marxist Socialist and a Commie?
>>731616024>by marxists, from a marxist perspective.then why does it do everything in it's power to show the communists as violent shitheads who can't do shit?
>>731616136>then why does it do everything in it's power to show the communists as violent shitheads who can't do shit?Because the devs went out of their way to counter their own biases to try to ensure they produce something actually worth playing.Also because the failures of marxism are seen as just another antithesis in the dialectical process of history. Millions died, starved to death and gulaged? Bro, that wasn't real communism, that was just one of the dialectical steps need to get to the final synthesis, the civilizational gnosis that's totally reachable! It's okay that they all died, because the process of history requires sacrifices. And so forth.
>>731616132former is what they call themselves, latter is what people call them.
>>731615160you implied that McCarthy was somehow wrong
>>731616132Noone really knows. History only teaches us that f one of those groups get into power, they will put the other into a gulag.Why they do this I don't know, they usually say something like "counterrevolutionary" or "reactionary". One will usually accuse the other of being imperialist spies or something like that too.
>>731616272when a group topples a society by undermining it you dont really want it to stay around when you fill the power vacuum.makes sense to me.
>>731616338In all honesty, their differences are usually very academic in nature.
>>731616210Pure speculation and makes no sense what so ever.The game takes no other political stance than laugh at you no matter what or how you choose to tribe yourself, that's why the game is so funny and effective.
>>731616030the game is basically a communist therapy session. work out your demons, yes you failed, but everyone fails. everyone is a loser and just as pathetic as you. it's basically cope. no one has ever had a functional ideology, no one has ever had a nice city that was clean and safe and roughly equitable, no one has ever been happy! the meme format writ long. it may not be about communism but it could only ever be written by communists.
>>731616132Marxist socialists are commies, but not all commies are marxist socialists.The core idea there is the religious belief in the progress of history (most often through the dialectical process of history) towards a final utopian system, which is what communism is, in these systems.That's why they say>It wasn't real communismbecause by the definition of communism in their religious ideology, communism is the final state of society in history, so if it fails, it's a self-contradiction. Real communism could not have failed.
>>731615467
>>731616408its just that you cannot trust them to not do the same to you. its self interest of political actors.stalin wasnt an academic in the first place. he was just more of a bully and he shoved those gay theorycel nerds into the locker.
>>731616410>Pure speculationThe devs are openly Marxist and thanked Marx in some speech they made, accepting an award or something.>The game takes no other political stance than laugh at you Bro, your analytical skills?It makes obvious political statements against>internationalism>international capital>large corporations>privatized militaries>supranational organizations
>>731616415This is projection. You have to be objective if you're going to bring the ideologies in comparitive sense in the story.'Communists' in the game had nothing left of them except violence, bitterness and envy, both in pragmatical and historical sense. It was the whole modus of the mystery too.
>>731616496Except for very small differences they are literally the same as you.
>>731616529No one gives a shit what the writer or the artist is. When it leaves their hands to the audience, the audience creates the meaning.Writer can call himself the Jesus Christ and write the next facist manifesto, no one chooses their audience.
>>731616624And anyone with half a brain can see the use of language in the game and determine it to be written from a marxist perspective.
>>731616578Im not a leftoid.
>>731616671No, it isnt.The 'communists' are the villains in the story both literal and figurative way. They're gone and dead, living in ruins bitter that people achieved happiness without them.
>>731616732>The 'communists' are the villains in the story both literal and figurative way.No, they're not. They're an end-result of greater systematic issues at hand, caused by the treatment of Revachol by the international community, international capital and their private military forces. Revachol was intentionally left as a shithole by these forces and the only reason why, for example, Evrart is in power, is because these powers create a situation where such a slimeball can worm his way into solitary power while playing lipservice to commie ideals, instead of, for example, the Hardie Boys controlling their own means of production as a collective. This dynamic is made even more clear as the PMCs show up to violently put down the workers' protests and striking, again placing the clear antagonist position on the international capitalists and their private mercenaries.The communists don't even matter. They're basically the least important "antagonist" in the story and hardly even count as such. They're just a part of the background.The pale > The internationalists > The commies.
>>731616919Literally the murder is done by a bitter loser of a communist who cant stand to see other people happy and you still cant pick up the fucking hint? This is the mental acrobatics the idiots go with the 'true communism hasnt tried yet'. Jesus read a fucking book you doofus.
>>731617042>Literally the murder is done by a bitter loser of a communist who cant stand to see other people happy and you still cant pick up the fucking hint?Of what? He's an old, insane person who was entirely traumatized by the war. He is not a representative of communism. This is on top of the fact that he is entirely irrelevant. The entire solution to the murder comes as a complete surprise and anticlimax, because it just happened to be some random lunatic murdering a man out of pure jealousy over the woman the man was fucking. Him being a communist is entirely irrelevant, save for the theme of being stuck in the past, and commies having to find a new way forward. Marx is old and busted, wokeism is the new hotness. Bring the Struggle and Work into the cultural sphere to enable a socialist revolution through destabilization and subversion of the dominant culture.
>>731610472Are you actually retarded?I don't know how you can even get stuck in this game
>>731617207So you ARE literally pulling the "it was not true communism" argument.I am laughing out loud, you're fucking retarded.
>>731616469Literally me.
>>731617320It wasn't true communism.What part of communism, as an ideology, contains an old insane man having lived on an island all alone for decades, shooting a man he sees fucking the woman he's been stalking from afar?What part of this is communism?Can you relate him and his actions specifically to communism somehow?All the systematic issues in the game, the actual problems and dynamics that are far bigger than the single murder, are about internationalism, international capital and their private military forces.You spend the entire game scrounging through this developing, severe situation that risks destabilization of the entire region. Then you find out the world is being consumed by the Pale, and there's no hope for anything anymore.Then the murder turns out to have nothing to do with any of this. It's just a guy with severe PTSD who's lost his mind. It wasn't even a political act, as it was teased to be at some points. He was just upset his stalking target was fucking another man.
>words words words words words
UOOOOOHHHH ToT Raping Cunoesse's 10 year old cunny! Damn brat, I'll show you how to disrespect adults! ORA ORA ORA
>>731617558None of that is even remotely interesting.None of that has ANYTHING to do with how the game sells itself "what kind of disaster cop are you?".All irrelevant, just so the devs could spout some high-school-level takes about politics?This is your masterpiece?
>>731608761It's a good game and OP is a contrarian retard.Simple as.
>>731616456>towards a final utopian system, which is what communism isbrah even engels was like>uhh maybe communism will create conditions for yet another society and so onwhich is honestly a much more vulgar statement than what you've proposed
>>731617698No. The masterpiece is the artwork of human suffering and addiction that is Harry.
>>731617787>The masterpiece is the artwork of human suffering and addiction that is Harry.As someone who's been an alcoholic and heroin addict in the past, the "game" isn't even close to the experience. Most of it is just reddit humor scenes of Saturday-morning cartoon character incompetence. Just like the overall narrative, it wears the clothes of a narrative but embodies none of its substance.The only people who could ever enjoy this style of "wreck of a person" narrative are middle class kids who never experienced an ounce of strife in their lives, i.e. people like the authors, game journos, and you.
>>731617042>Literally the murder is done by a bitter loser of a communist who cant stand to see other people happy and you still cant pick up the fucking hint?I don't understand this. Because the old guy, who also was a communist soldier in the past, killed the mercenary out of jealousy, how is that an argument against communism in a supposedly communist game?
The issue isn't whether the game praises or blasts communism. The issue is it's written by modern liberals and it shows at every step. Every other dialogue in this game about a detective solving a murder case is something like>hello do you support trans rights>yes, they are human rights>no because I am evil and stupidEvery character that presents views the writers don't agree with is a hilarious I AM SILLY caricature.If you write about a political conflict while being a part in it, at least have the decency to give the other side the arguments they actually use.
>>731617914>As someone who's been an alcoholic and heroin addict in the past,
You realize the truth without rolling:They don’t think the game is communist.They think it’s laughing at them—and they’re right.The thread scrolls on.Nothing is learned.The city sleeps.
>>731618383You should masturbate to furry porn tonight.
Disco Elysium is good because it taught me communism is fake and gay and the only way to obtain enlightenment and happiness is through cryptozoology.
>>731618364Why are politics such a huge part of a "detective" ""game""? Are the """authors""" perhaps actually just """"writing"""" propaganda and disguising it as something more interesting?
>>731617914>muh strifeBro, you took heroin all on your own. Stop pretending like you're a victim.
>>731618615>>731618380Good job missing the point. But I shouldn't be surprised. Reading comprehension is not a quality of the Disco Elysium fanbase.
>>731618916Oh no, I'm sorry. Did I trigger you by questioning the amount of strife and suffering you've experienced? I'm sorry. :(Only someone who's suffered as horribly and hellishly as you could understand the nuances of the character. I really shouldn't have questioned you.
>>731618979You didn't question anything.My life experience was never the point.Nothing I said relates to "understanding the character".Please try reading a book at some point in your life. Reducing your reddit browsing time will also do you good, at least it should improve your literacy.
>>731619071I'm sorry. You've clearly suffered enough and it's awfully unrighteous of me to question your personal experience and lived story.I sincerely apologize. :(
Yes this game is made by commies but can anyone recommend a better story game not made by commies?
>>731619071Didn't you shit on authors here >>731617914 ?>The only people who could ever enjoy this style of "wreck of a person" narrative are middle class kids who never experienced an ounce of strife in their lives, i.e. people like the authors, game journos, and you.
>he shaved
I missed the dream sequence with Harry's ex-wife at the end because taking a nap right as I was bearing down on the killer and presumably the end of the game confused me. I thought it would let the guy get away or something.
marxism is just poorfag cope. Once you truly understand human condition you will come to realize how much of it is just coping with their main character syndrome. Your average redditor believes themselves to be the most intelligent and enlightened person there is. If that is the case, why are they not rich? The answer can't be that they are mediocre, it has to be complex system keeping them down, and actually being evil is rich so they are virtuous for not being rich etc. It is being a good guy of social standing.
>>731619436>this styleWhat do you think that meant?If you read that as "any narrative about" instead of "this specific out-of-touch, uninformed type of retelling aesthetic cliches", then you had a knee-jerk reaction and didn't think about what was being said.
>>731608761This game is the most>you're telling on yourselfgame ever, if you enjoy this you're either A) the most boring person on the planet that cannot hold a conversation without steering it into some weird shit out of discomfort at even playing normal, or B) just the most pathetic person on the planet that thinks circlejerking about your patheticness is fun and somehow makes you enlightened and so nonchalant and above the peasants. In either cases, absolutely terrible people to know. If your friend has disco elysium on steam I suggest unfriending them. For your own sake.
>>731619365If you care so much of such a trivial thing there are no stories for you.>>731619795What a stupid projection.
>>731619876Replying to his post with ">le projection" is peak reddit sophistry. To be expected from someone who falls under type B in anon's classification.
What is a marxist?
>>731619497Honestly the most interesting design decision of the game, I wonder if it's intentional, or a fuck-up, or an intentional fuck-up.> You're bleeding and limping (sorry we didn't visualize the blood)> Even Kim thinks you should take a nap> Can you really miss the final dialogues saying that you need a rest because you're bleeding, every 2 minutes? We only added them last minute
>>731618364how mindbroken are you? is there even a single trans character in this game? I think you're slipping away, get a grip anon
>>731619972Your whole take is born on the assumption that everyone experiences the product, in exact same way thus categorizing them into these imaginary slots only you can stomach in; projecting. You cant understand relativity of experiences so you make the stupid prejudgmental choice and oust yourself as an plebian in the process, ironically becoming the person you try to warn about "the most boring person on the planet".Read a book, touch grass and go outside.
>>731608761OH-HOH TRANNY MELTY
>>731613234Oddly enough the best moments were when it had nothing to do with flag-waving and all that, and were just human moments experienced by humans.
>>731620134>Read a book,Stop being a performative pseud. Every time you repeat this, you make a fool out of yourself.
>>731620134holy fucking shit give the guy some mercy
>>731620382The problem is that even those were often hollow because the characters are disgusting. Finding the dead man on the pier should be vaguely emotional, but it's just a dull void. The whole telephone breakdown about Harry's wife or whatever just feels like cuck seething. I can't relate to the depressive alcoholic drug addict protagonist because I'm a normal person, not a communist.
>>731620636>because I'm a normal personRoru, rumao
>>731620382>just human moments experienced by humans>le quirky artisanal RPG dice maker on etsy just le making it in this cruel economy>le tragic failed indie game dev studio, so sadSoft-handed faggotry, that's the best this shit can muster.
>>731617914>every addict is the same, the post
>>731620636>>731622370
>>731613234The fucking point was that the flag waving is a cope for a shitty life, it doesn't matter which one you or any other character picks. Unless you're a moralist, in which case you're evil.
>>731622882>t. Communaretarded>t. Fascistoddler>t. Anarcho-Lolberal
>>731622882>The fucking point was that the flag waving is a cope for a shitty lifeNot a story worth telling, it's just wallowing in middle class depression while talking down to the working class.>>731622794>missing the pointknee-jerk midwits will never change
>>731622882Yes, the capitalist strawmen characters clearly lived shitty lives.Flag waving is literally a step below class consciousness. It's quite possibly the stupidest thing you could ever make a game about, but as commies know nothing outside of their champagne socialist bubbles, it's all they could write.
>>731622958>>missing the pointYou keep saying this but your only point is:>only my drug addiction life experience is valid, every other one isn't, I can't have a sense of humor about this stuff because I lived it guys and I'm totally over it that's why I'm speaking about it in the past-tense Yeah, you suffered. Probably more than most people on this board. Doesn't mean you need to relive it over and over and be insufferable about it.
>>731622963this>woe is me, the struggling blue-collar indie writer, I had to sell my sportscar bought with daddy's money because I wasted the rest of my allowance on not finishing my visual novel on time or in budget
>>731608761I'm not gonna lie, whenever this game started talking about politics I completely phased outI don't know what the fuck a liberal, central diagonal QCF person is. I just came for the detective and characters shenanigansI did notice however a rather realistic portrayal of what actual poverty is. Made me realize that despite not having the best life and money, it could be so much worse. Don't take your privilege of shitposting about video games on a stupid imageboard too much for granted folks.
>>731623019>only my life experience is validNo, that's not the point. You've missed it AGAIN.I'd take you seriously if you defended DE as a comedy of errors. As it stands, if we're to take it at face value, it's just the whining of a middle-class twat burned out on twittering all day about politics.
>>731623715>I'd take you seriously if you defended DE as a comedy of errors.That's part of its appeal, yes.>You missed the point AGAIN.I don't think I did. That's really all you've been communicating, that you don't like the narrative or the characters because you're still hung-up about the bad choices and terrible circumstances that you've lived through. I'm sorry about that, but it's also not a critique that has any more depth than the story that you're critiquing.
This, Zero Parades is the best game for true intellectuals made by people who believe in a system that works.
>>731609614Introspection and self-critique are truly alien concepts to the conservative mind, huh
>>731608761Seeing /v/tards shill this game and having the audacity to say it "isn't woke" or it "attacks all ideologies equally" was the moment I knew this site was compromised.
>>731616456You're precisely wrong about everything.Dialectical materialism is a scientific philosophy. Marxism distinguishes itself from utopian communism by being grounded in reality. They say that historical examples of real socialism were not communism because these words have specific definitions.
Commies make a game>Genuinely thought-provoking >Soulful >Introspective >Even-handed>Literary >Innovative Chuds make a game>Jiggle physics for her butt AND tits
>>731609371The devs are quite literally self professed communists.
>>731608938KOTOR 2 or Planescape Torment are a billion times better than this.
>>731608761The most 100iq game ever made. If you're entertained by this, or god forbid actually compelled by its writing, you're certified middlebrained. The worst type of brain to be.Worthless slop that will be forgotten.
Commies make a game>Pretentious >Irony-poisoned>Naval-gazing >Misanthropy disguised as altruism >Full of thin allegories for [CURRENT YEAR] pet issues>Blatant self-insertsChuds make a game>Jiggle physics for her butt AND tits
>>731620636>I can't relate to the depressive alcoholic drug addict protagonist because I'm autistic
>>731625002I fuarking kneel, Chad.
>>731624960I don't remember what I got but when they tested me in school they said I was a genius and talked to my parents about skipping a grade. I like Disco Elysium.
This subhuman is boring, I miss the "country music" one. But the next one will be the *lucky* subhuman.
>>731625056This has nothing to do with DE.She's so cute! Why did they kill her game and her?
>>731609483It gets a lot of flak because most of it's players are amerimutts that have no idea about baltic countries or their communist history under the USSR, in which the game is largely based on. They only see things the American way and have no idea how things actually operated in 90's Eastern Europe that the game tries to emulate. As an European it's fairly obvious what the game tried to do. It also borrows things from the old divided Germany and the Berlin wall.And the developers being marxists is something that doesn't really concern me because I don't have to agree with their views or ideas. I can still just play the game and enjoy it for what it is, and it is no wonder that a failed communist regime (in real world and game world) still harbors a lot of communist sympathizers. And these are the old working class communists, not the modern woke retards that actually hate the working class. If anything, it's a good thing that people get to see an artistic glimpse of how things went down in the old soviet block back when USSR collapsed, and not just the usual USA vs. USSR media.
one of my favourite parts about Disco Elysium is how it mindbreaks all the retards, so much schizo posting in any of those threads
>>731625102That says more about how terrible your school was than you.
>>731626224Think they had an outside psychologist do the test, actually.
>>731609483Mind you it only gets the flak from the most fragile larping incels who literally celebrate ICE killing their fellow countrymen while having a meltdown upon seeing a black character in a video game. As a person born in former Soviet shithole I love the depressing melancholic feeling this game gives me and I really have a hard time understanding how it supposedly defends communism when the killer is an incel die hard commie unable to let go of his bloodthirsty revolution that killed 17 million people within the archipelago before being fucked in the ass by coalition forces
>>731623772>you don't like the narrative or the characters because you're still hung-up about the bad choices and terrible circumstances that you've lived throughNope. I don't like them because they wear those experiences as a hashtag with zero backing. It's like a stick figure cartoon of that kind of life drawn by someone who's never lived it. As a comedy, it works. As a serious narrative, it's not equipped for the role.
Disco Elysium is a >fucking Estonian pretending to write like a Russian.
>>731624230is this real?
>>731608761Bought it on discount recently is is truly commie?
>>731624230>the part about traditionalismkekRightoids hate this because it exposes them.
>>731610472nigger you are a detective, talk to people and ask questions holy shit
>>731628056It's what a commie would write after realizing commies are retards but still remaining a commie.
>>731608938And it only gets worse from here, zoomers love their YA-slop audiobooks since they can't even bother reading their childrens books.
>>731623972if leftoids have any introspection at all they wouldn't be leftoid
>>731624230HOLY SÖY WRITING
>>731628210>you are a detectiveLMAO, no, there's zero detective stuff in this game. It says you're one, all you are is a point-and-click receipticle for Estonian cafe socialist drivel.
>>731622882>Moralists have psychics that see the future>all the other retards: NOOOO *WE* WERE SUPPOSED TO ACHIEVE THESE FEATS AS A SPECIES, NOT SOME DEVIL!! DIE!!!Granted this same brand of psychic ends the world 70 years later, but if everyone else weren't backward, radical direction-brained barbarians in the first place then that would never have come to be.
>>731608761>game made by a Marxist ruskie that has to experience the country he now lives going from communist shithole to one of the most successful post-soviet states thanks to capitalism>for him this is somewhat bad, because no poverty-commie flag is flying above himIt's literally a mental illness at this point
>>731616020why does a 12yo have a goatee and a norwood 1?and why does his girlfriend have a stubble?
this game made a fucking communist how do i refund
>>731608761Has anyone played the Esoteric Ebb demo?
>>731628450Author's self-insert.
>>731628401Im not sure what exactly you are taking umbrage with, yes it is a video game/visual novel about being a detective less than it is a detective simulator of any kind, but you're supposed to roleplay a detective within the confines of the genre that this game comprises, what a retarded post to make.
>>731628569Thanks, Steam page description; too bad you have maybe two scenes in the game that revolve around detective work, the rest is politics and faggotry.
>>731623972rings a bit false coming from the pathos that brought us "everyone is totally equal"
>>731628443he's a estonian crackhead who dropped out of high school and is a recovering druggie and alcoholic. he's so retarded he even lost rights to his mangum opus geg. that's who DE fags look up to
>>731624230damn, this could be a reddit post
>>731616020>Recruit Cuno as a sidekick>Win gunfight later in the game like a badass>"Cuno was there, Pig fucking *cleaned up*"
>>731613406McCarthy was absolutely right. Blacklisted by History is an exhaustive study on how his righteous movement scared the hell out of the bad people, enough for them to make a concerted effort to not only take the wind out of his sails, but to put a chapter in every child's American history textbook decrying the "evils" of trying to root out a parasitical and nefarious ideology from infecting your culture and country ever since.Mind you, there are many more genuine examples of witch hunts or of actual evils perpetrated by gov officials that textbook authors could use, but their desire isn't to educate, it is to propagandize.
>>731628636>(((Kurvitz)))he is neither russian or estonian
>>731628623Most of what detectives do is make inquiries my retarded pedant friend, which IS what you do in this game. if that seems boring to you that's because it is, and being a detective is nothing like fucking Columbo, the game makes a point of explaining this.
>>731628450>a goateeThat's shading. >stubbleFreckles.
>>731613406Midwit kool-aid bootlicker take.
>>731613406>they have a hair-trigger for believing anything and everything is out to get themYeah the persecution and victim complex amongst polniggers is gigantic
>/pol/ trying to sound smart againlolGiven the political climate in your country "midwit" would be compliment.
>>731628315This is projection from you - classic rightoid, and the opposite of introspection
>>731628754doesn't matter what he is really, he's just a retarded with bad teeth, that's self admittedly on the record so retarded he dropped out of high school and couldnt get passing grades, as well as suffered with low impulse addictions like porn, drugs, and alcohol all his life. all of his coworkers and bosses hate him too and that's why his career ended despite DE being a critical and commercial success. Literal bum loser in every sense carried by his artists and internet while he shits up the games with his coal writing and fucks up his life despite everyone desperately trying to bring him up, brvtal commiecuck moment.
>>731628631That's a statement on human rights, Anon
>>731624740those were gen x, millennials were still in high school when they came out
>>731608761>tumblr nosesyikes
>>731628754there are a lot of russians and estonians with german names
>>731609629yeah with such cutting jabs like "their problem is that they care too much"
>>731628536Hmm, could be interesting, but I wonder if it actually is fully voiced? That's a dealbreaker for me.
>>731629163>i'm unable to handle the fact that I'm inferior so I make an entire bullshit philosophy to cope about itits the entire foundation of your idealogy.
>>731629591No way they voiced the game. The dev said it had over a million words in it, and DE could only afford to do that after two years and being a smash hit.
>>731630450Yeah, it seems suspicious. But that screencapture is from the Steam page. For whatever reason, devs often lie on that infobox...
>>731626003>And the developers being marxists is something that doesn't really concern me because I don't have to agree with their views or ideas. I can still just play the game and enjoy it for what it isYou could, but then you'd have to pay for it. Something I did not do because surely their utopian state that has no need for capitalist transaction will compensate them. Oh the company collapsed because someone tried to make a profit and stabbed all the others in the back? Well that's fine, I still won't be paying for it. The game sucks by the way.
>>731629413retard
“i’m marxist” = “i have a harem of children in my discord friends list”
>>731615739>You can choose to denounce communism, and become a racist.No, you actually can't.The racist or fascist dialogue options are the only ones that hurt your morale bar.So being "racist" two or three times in a row just kills you.Not so much of a "choose your own adventure" as advertised.
>>731630582>but then you'd have to pay for ityou can just pirate it you inbred smug faggot
>>731614425This. That guy sounds cool and fun, and the other guy complaining sounds like a boring geek.
>>731616919>I tried to invade the west and forcibly implement an unemployed man's political theory where ordinary people are forced to give up everything they've ever earned and must now surrender to the state as a serf, and now I'm being defeated by them. How could this be happening to me?The reason people don't like communist is because it is retarded and its followers are retarded. They live inside the context of out-dated books that never worked in the first place, all endorsement of communism is done with paper in mind and absolutely no consideration for how things actually work or play out. The only people who succeed in communism are the same ones who succeed in every other form of political context: power-hungry sociopaths who will bend the rules while nobody else is willing to, which places them firmly at the top of whatever given system and therefore causes all the exact same problems as in any other system. It's fucking stupid and even to this day you get these eastern European countries wailing over how communism was so le heckin great. They're battered housewives, they love the thing that ruined their lives. Then you pathetic people get internet access (something that would have never come to exist in a communist society, ever) and we have to read your retarded shit. The only reason you even fixate on /pol/ or Kekistani whatever (god knows nobody's uttered that word except you in a full decade) is because they might be the only group stupider than you, or they were until they actually got their guy elected twice.
>>731629136>doesn't matter what he is reallyYes it does, faggot. It really really does matter.
>>731631175>70iq word puke>ebin meme pic attachedYeah, slit your throat. The day of rightoid reckoning is nigh. You're going to get fucking killed in Minecraft, mane.
>>731631348>gets told so hard he has a meltdown
>postslopping in threadslop on 4chan
>>731631175>>731631348>>731631626>readinglmao
>>731627176>my fellow countrymenwho just so happen to be attacking law enforcement in hopes of freeing somalians who were airdropped into rural america to ensure demographic replacement yeah, i shant be attending his funeral im afraidRIP though, ill say a prayer out of largesse
if the devs are communists why isn't the game free?
>>731631348>The day of rightoid reckoning is nighRight on. Two more weeks, comrade. The communist revolution will come any century now.
>>731632515Attacking law enforcement is always based.
>Attacking law enforcement is always based.
>>731608761Hating Disco Elysium is for sub 100 IQ retards. But at least they're not pseuds, kek.
>>731633786basing your personal philosophy on whether or not it meets the socio-political standards of a soundcloud rapper isn't very "based"
>>731634038I didn't HATE it. I was rather immersed and enjoying myself until I got skill checked by the bodyguard and had to redo conversations just to progress. Took me right out of the world, baffling game design choice.
>>731633594>communism is when no purchases
>>731629852But I'm your natural superior. And I'm telling you, you too deserve a seat at the table.
>>731630582>Something I did not do because surely their utopian state that has no need for capitalist transaction will compensate them.Yes, money from the future is very useful now
>>731634861communism is when a horrible game is 500 dollars because PoC worked really hard and long at it.
>>731633594The world isn't. You can't practice physical communism. You can only support ideas on spiritual level.
>>731635989Support my spiritual ideals by giving me the product of your labor, for free.
>>731635064Under communism, all games would be free
>>731636205Done. Check your spirit core. I used omni-sphere. Close your eyes and enjoy Disco Elysium™.
>>731636482and bad, all games will be bad toobecause untalented hacks will have not only a right, but a duty to produce them
>>731636645Oh yeahhh the colors!
>>731628891It's basically a kind of cognitive dissonance born from believing themselves to be the rebel faction of western society, if not outright the counter-culture, while also knowing full well they wouldn't be caught dead actually hanging out in counter-cultures like the old goth movements or supporting LGBT rights, and that there's basically no way to argue they're the rebels in any conservative country, especially America which is under total conservative control and not relevant but stands a very high chance of completely destroying the union because they can't help themselves from trying to perma-conservative things and turn it into a fascistic dictatorship, aided and abetted by status quo obsessed liberals and Democrats who won't do anything because they expect it to just blow overSo the "victim" narrative has to start up for them to believe they're a marginalized minority bravely fighting for what's right, which makes even less sense in the grand scheme of things but behaviorally aligns them with playground bullies; really they just want an excuse to be hit first so they can respond back with unnecessarily overwhelming force. Same MO as every secret-police group and a lot of intelligence agencies, they're begging for you to hit them first so they can claim (whether it'll hold up in court or not) legal justification for razing the ground and salting the earth in a 100 mile radius of where you were standing
>>731609483>i feel like this game unfairly gets slapped with the commie label because the devs abmit to marx being an influence ftfy
>>731637649me when i take a comedy skit at a venue hosted by puppets completely seriously
>>731637497counter culture, not counter humanity i dislike riding the train with violent animals and the lack of resources being spent here at home in lieu of Bibi's vanity projectsbuttsex and neon hair isn't my idea of things changing for the better, even if your cope is that they'll somehow get better once we deliberately ruin everything around us
>>731637847>it's all just irony brotoday's irony is tomorrow's sincerity people like that are just too pussy to put their face on their beliefs
>>731637847Rest assured I will never take a communist seriously
>>731637497>it all boils down to crying about the orange manHe's just doing the same thing that we've always done, except now he just lets us know about it now instead of 50 years later.
>>731637979instead now they're being told to jeer when do these drones disagree with the tv ever?maybe when they're hatewatching Fox or something
>>731637973And yet ZA/UM was somehow serious when they yelled HEIL MARX at an event hosted by MuppetsCurious
>>731638098They weren't serious because they yelled at a paid conference, they were serious because Estonians are enormous fags and absolutely do worship Karl Marx.
>>731608761>pseudslop >midwitsLurk more and come back when you can articulate an original thought.
>>731637497>supporting LGBT rights is counter culture>America which is under total conservative control
>>731638181>i'll never take them seriouslyyyyyy>*takes them seriously*What did he mean by this
>>731637979they're dishonest cowardscrybullies that would rather flog their own on behalf of our captors rather than suffer their wrath directly
>>731638254>The Establishment fucking hates trannies and keeps concern-trolling and projecting about bathroom rights, child rape and degeneracy, mostly an extension of concern-trolling and projecting about Gay Cancer (AIDS), child rape and degeneracy against homosexuals in the 50s up to the 2000sunironically yeahalso remember when terry davis sent /g/ his nudes
>>731638254they float absurdities as fact in hopes some poor sap will peruse and take it as suchbeneath contempt
>>731637497I would love to see a faggot like you actually try to apply for a job (God knows you don't have one presently.) I would love to watch you encounter the faggots, kikes, women and brown people who expertly manipulate current laws endorsed by (You) to wall white men out of employment. I would love to place you in the role of heterosexual white man for the first time in your entire life so you may observe what actual systemic oppression looks like, and why being a race realist is coming back in vogue.Marxist far-left faggotry evaporates the moment you have to deal with pic related at every possible opportunity to stave off abject homelessness.
>>731638458I know it's typical for /v/irgins to hate women enough to want them raped and brutalized and to have unhealthy fixations on children, but why are you supporting the trans movement in their push for these disordered desires to be normalized? And why are you doing it in a Disco Elysium thread of all places?
>2026 >everyone still has the low iq 1950s red scare "muh ebil communism" mentality you should be way more concerned about the satanic billionaire ruling class and corporations like blackrock raping your country than communists >wake up in a country where houses cost a million dollars, rent is $2k, and eggs cost $20 >"the real problem with this country is....the commies!!!"
>>731637380No, you're thinking of capitalism again
>>731638517>faggots, kikes, women and brown people who expertly manipulate current laws endorsed by (You) to wall white men out of employment.I smell Ian Miles Cheong on your breath.
>>731638458>the government IS the mainstream culture
>>731638517>"we love the proletariat">encounters actual proletariat of humanity>its a bunch of brown rapistsit would be funny for sure
>>731638517Why are you replying to these guys seriously? Read posts like >>731631689 it's the same guys. They are doing the exact same shit on /lit/ where they also spam Marxist threads. They exist because there's no actual moderation on 4chan unless it's to benefit marketers.
Alright /v/, prove you are not a midwit. Name a flaw with marxism (as proposed by Marx & Engels)
>>731638517>>731638685Indians filter all leftist theory
>>731638637not carrying water for capitalism, but a "free market" unironically is an improvement over "El Presidente says it's time for me to make games too" Lack of meeting market demand (solely out of hate and spite) is why games and film are failing. The "fake it until you make it" approach of just talking past 90% of the population isn't going to work, for anything.
>>731638626I can worry about both problems just fine, thank you.
>>731638912Sounds too much like Bruxism, which sucks
>>731638959one of those problems is really stupid to worry about
>>731638912>Name a flaw with marxismOverthrowing a ruling class and replacing it with a dictatorship of an entire, larger demographic class will only lead to the takeover of that particular society by driven, bad actors.
pretty fucking cool as a Marxist that it almost spontaneously creates best-in-class game writing.I don't think a couple Estonians going "what if Planescape Torment read like my Twitter feed" were doing something exceptional. It really was the message that people fixate on, for good reason.
>>731638912how would trade work in a cashless society?
>>731638912He somehow wrote a lot about human society while understanding nothing about human nature
>>731639283please provide proof for your statement
>>731638912It deliberately fails to account for the predisposition of various races and the fundamental incompatibilities that arise in close mandatory proximity to one another. A functional society requires property rights, and the right to exclude parasites, particularly of the violent anti-social variety, who erode social trust and cohesion and make life not worth living. Happiness ought to be the goal. Real happiness, not vice. Health, family, community. Organic in every culture absent malicious meddling.
>>731639260One of those problems shoots me in the head.The other of those problems makes me almost wish they would just go ahead and do that to get it over with.Both are pretty bad, chum.
>>731638626those problems exist because niggers and illegals are not exterminated but rather enabled by socialist programsif those socialist programs disappeared for a year just long enough to kill all the non-whites or chase them out everything would be fixed immediatelyas usual racism is correct and communism (socialism, welfare) is the problem
>>731639339>>731639368>>731639402wow, you guys haven't even red the wikipedia article about "Das Kapital".No offense, but this thread is not for you
>>731639283I do think Marx's answer to this problem is rather smart, the whole bit of "do NOT disarm after a successful revolution, the former ruling class will stop at nothing to restore itself for the entire rest of their lives, they will brainwash their children into restoring the former ruling class even after their own deaths, you must be ready to defend this new society at all costs, it will take generations before this desperate scrabbling to restore their own power stops"
>>731638517>corpos replace their more expensive workers with cheap, desperate labour from third world countries>all to make a quick buck which is exactly what corpos are supposed to do in a capitalist society>somewhat this is the fault of LE COMMIESYou had 50 years of uncontrolled capitalism with zero fucking opposition and things have only gotten worse. At which fucking point will you take the L?
>>731639394>please provide proof for your statementI dunno, the years between 1922 and 1924 are completely blank in this Big Book of Soviet History, guess I can't.>>731639591That's not the point that I was making, tovarisch.
>>731639657That only proves that Marxism-Leninism doesn't work
>>731639596you want to change nothing but the title of the deed millions of scabs invading is fine with you you want the inversion of today's society, where the average pleb gets to be the whip holder only anti-human trogs would support this
>>731639529Why did you invite us to answer you if you won't listen to any of our answers?
>>731639529yeah, no dissent on the commune anons you know the rules
>>731639657Of course that wasn't the point you were making, I don't think you were expecting Marx to already have "be hyper-vigilant for bad actors" already bundled into his dogma. As far as corruption-from-within, that's kind of a "no shit" point that applies to all forms of theoretical government, never minding that one of the whole "own the means of production" thought processes is public ownership of basically any building of import means a small number of bad actors can't fuck things over without their own violent takeover, something nobles are notoriously pretty bad at when they don't already have a standing army, and... something already mentioned as being accounted for under Marx's written wank.
>>731639751>That only proves that this synthesis that was supposed to be a revision that would make it more possible for the original theory to be applied as praxis within a society was insufficient, and therefore there is no actual problem with the original theory even after revision, or we need to revise the theory further until it's no longer recognizable as what it wasOr, we can just dispense with the semantics, and just outright state that Marxism is retarded and written by a German who was just upset that he couldn't get a free ride in a hard life while getting a free ride in an easy life.
>>731639596I didn't know injecting women and third-worlders into the workforce was a capitalist thing. It's strange how America existed for two centuries without that happen. Then suddenly when the Cold War kicked off and the communist governments began subverting stuff, women and third-worlders began subverting the corporate sector. Those two things probably aren't related though, CNN said the Frankfurt School is a conspiracy theory...
>>731639781bullshit rhetoricals followed by watching your lips move while they queue up the next boilerplate internally is the soup du jour over there
>>731608761>all fucking commies in this game>a traitor kike who makes everyone addicted to drugs>retarded fuckwits who get executed for larping as tought guy>naive politic majors>a larping cuck who seethes at le fasicsta and hates everyone only to commit suicide later when he learns that le fasiscmo died from old age around friends and family
>>731639751>This brand of communism is bad>But my anarcho-commie-brown-jew-progressive-skibidirizz brand of communism is way better!
>>731639781Your answers give the impression that you don't understand how the theory of marxism works in the first place. For example, talking about races, when race isn't even a part of the marxist world view.
>>731609483It's most scathing criticism of communism is>they are annoying and bad at organizingAnd not the fact that it 100% of the time leads to the same class dynamics with even less social mobility and more mass death
>>731639908>that's kind of a "no shit" point that applies to all forms of theoretical governmentYou said to find a flaw, I found a flaw. Your answer to that flaw is that we'll make sure that we have a hyper-vigilant majority class. Good thing that majorities can never be led astray. Good thing that majorities never flag on their vigilance. Good thing that it all works out in life like it does on paper, except that you at least conceded that last point isn't true. Next you'll tell me that the vain reduction of humans into mere castes of material ownership isn't actually an incredibly flawed and shallow way of looking at society, and actually really smart and intellectually sound method of revising history.
>>731640150you asked what my critique of Markism wasi (rightfully) pointed out that he ignores race when regarding human organization>yeah but he doesn't talk about that stuffi know, he's fucking retarded and has been spared the rod on this topic his worldview reeks of naivete
>>731640158hyper-vigilant majority class ready to stamp out the formerly powerful and who have established property ownership rules that make it very difficult for the formerly powerful to get their foot in the door ever againpicture luigi mangione except every day instead of once in a lifetimealso picture yourself arguing against a public-ownership model of property and government without crutching on "the human element" because the thought of the ruling elite not having yachts fills your heart with a nameless terror
>>731640153right, the framing gives it all away>see, i'm willing to criticize BOTH sides>gives the most impotent critique and flowery appraisal of communism
>play DE>encounter little niggeress glownigger character>she is the voice of reason>she does nothing wrong>she has all the exact opinions the game devs endorse>she is a girlboss who talks down to the player>she is the only entity on the planet who is totally sane and correctSo many people desperate to label this game revolutionary and counter-culture when all the Estonians involved just immediately began doing the EXACT SAME SHIT the American games do, because said Estonians ingest the entire septic tank of American media. What a fucking joke.
>>731640158no you don't get it, we'll just mindrape everyone with propaganda 24/7we already do that? we'll just turn it up to 11 this time you're the unserious one for not believing in my plan
>>731609483*taps sign*
>>731640434>hyper-vigilant majority class ready to stamp out the formerly powerful and who have established property ownership rules that make it very difficult for the formerly powerful to get their foot in the door ever againSo now only the newly-powerful sociopaths get their foot in the door and take over. Oh, thank God, I was hoping that we'd get some new sociopaths. The old ones were just so passe. I'm fine with the oppression and murder and dehumanization, it's just that you gotta get some new blood for it every so often, you know?>picture luigi mangione except every day instead of once in a lifetimeSo, just one guy going around culling the "1%"? Can one guy even kill 80,000,000 all in his lifetime? Or do you mean we're going to go around seeing people shot on the streets and there will be rivers of blood? Great, that can't possibly cause any destabilization in the long term, and definitely won't set a precedent that will put whatever transitional system that's put into place into a bind once they do something that makes a subset of the population upset.>also picture yourself arguing against a public-ownership model of property and government without crutching on "the human element" Hmmm. Given that we're human, this is hard, but I will try my best.>because the thought of the ruling elite not having yachts fills your heart with a nameless terrorOh, never mind, I just won't try because this strawman blew away. I thought you had an actual point instead of just assuming that someone has to be communist to have a problem with people engaging in excessive and extravagant displays of wealth with total disregard for their fellow men.
>>731639960>I didn't know injecting women and third-worlders into the workforce was a capitalist thingIt literally is lmao. Women and children were forced into the workforce during the industrial revolution because they were cheaper and the factory job unskilled enough for them to perform. The only reason we don't have child labour in the west is because of socialist unions fighting against it.Immigrants are a great way to add cheap labour into a country so the workers will be forced to accept worse conditions due to the desperate rabble taking all the jobs.Corpos are registering record profits worldwide, social and economic inequality are at an all time high but apparently you're still blaming some bullshit socialist cabal, Utter fucking retard.
>>731640637you have to understand that the average person only knows what they lived under, everything else is just hearsay and who you believe keeping things bad on purpose to ensure change come election time is day 1 shitthese people have been taught that one side is evil incarnate and the other was just misguided in their enthusiasm. But you have to zoom out man, because they were raised cradle to grave to think that way. Few make it out, and fewer still admit they got duped openly. The shadow is behind the wheel for most and shame and doubt aren't things he feels.
>>731640772incredible really that you can write this much, deliberately misunderstand everything and inject your own presuppositions and preconceptions where you feel appropriate, complain it's *the other guy* strawmanning at the end, and not feel disgusted with yourself
>>731626135Kek
>>731640637This game really is the ultimate midwit filter, holy shit. Disco Elysium is literally a political comic that's too nuanced for the guy in the screencap, even when it puts a ball-cap that says "RETARD" on the communist characters. It's not a hard enough condemnation of the ideology! Where's the soijaks?!
>>731640992I'm sorry I went through, point-by-point, and engaged with you with the same level of intent that you engaged with me when you weren't wanting to keep up that level of honesty in debate. Not because I inconvenienced you, but because I feel it's wasted time now.
>>731608761Too high IQ for americans (they have an average of 98 or something)
>>731608761I think the zooms on this board hate this game so much because you really need to have actually loved and lost to get Harry and none of you fags have any lovable qualities even if you tried.
>>731641143>engaged with you with the same level of intent that you engaged with meit's really cute you think this but i think it's more shameless than cute; engage a revolver, maybe, it will give you more meaningful "debate"and if i catch you complaining about violent commies or endorsement of violence in gentle debate in your next reply i want you to know i'm reading it with a meal on my desk because you're giving me dinner AND a show
>>731640973So Americans brainwashed by years of cold war propaganda blaming communism and ignoring that the "left" in their meme blue vs red politics is still considered right wing in most other first world countries? LMAO.
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>>731609483Don't even bother most niggers here haven't played it at all. I've done a playtrough as every ideology and even one mixed and it makes fun of all of them. Also the NPCs that represent those ideologies are all caricatures.
>>731641270you left out the prefix anon
>>731638912It's a system that required a zeitgeist of perpetual Revolution across the whole globe but The Spirit of Revolution cannot be maintained indefinitely. It is culturally exhausting for a people.
>>731641443we really do have to force-feed america the concept that its centrism or status-quo will default to right-wing, but that would also be undoing a lot of propaganda done as a direct and specific consequence of america's elite fucking HATING the new deal policies
>>731638953>El PresidenteYou're thinking of modern-day America nowYou don't know what communism is
I still didn't do a physique run... Is it good to run it with intelligence as the secondary stat?
>>731617258you can get softlocked at some spots. i had to savescum in the village to progress after trying EVERYTHING i could think of (i was playing w/out a guide) because i needed to talk to some lady to progress the story
>>731641443Like Marx, you ignore race being the driving force in politics.Unlike Marx, you have enough context to know better.
>>731640637>Can't separate art from the artistngmi
>>731609483>pick commie choices>game plays softball with you and gives the lightest critiques of communism possible>pick any other choice>AIEEEEEEEE YOU ARE HITLER YOU ARE A BOOTLICKER SAVE ME KARL MARX SAVE ME NIGGER MAN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYeah man, no clear preference there.
>>731641874those are all examples of the art though?
Why did pol turn into the people they were a pardoy of? Yeah guys 40 years of deregulation and social safety net cutting have led to this but if we keep doing both it's all going to fix itself right? Also the country that has exclusively been ran by and for rich white people is definitely being ruined by immigrants doing labor for aforementioned rich people.
>>731640823Once again we're blaming capitalist systems for this thing that appears in the "socialist" unions' list of demands, then again in the "socialist" stratagem of the Frankfurt school and similar communist groups, all of whom paradoxically claim they'd like to improve the world and empower the proletariat by flooding the workforce (and society) with said proletariat, which ends up being niggers and women. But no, it is the capitalist's fault they keep asking for this shit somehow.We witness this phenomenon appear in "socialist" plans over and over for many reasons, the first being that Karl Marx never met a single non-white person during his entire existence. He had no frame of reference for just how fucking stupid the lowest caste of mankind actually is while harping on about "the underclasses rising up." Then because Marx's postmortem acolytes do not actually engage in any critical thinking and simply try to follow his words as though they were the Bible, we end up with this, again, paradoxical situation of communist white people desperately fighting to empower the plebs. This ends up not being poor white people but rather niggers and women, who don't give a shit about Marx or political theory or anything beyond whether or not it's putting more items on their personal meal ticket.Then, amid all of this batshit communist stupidity, the same sociopaths who always seek power and control in capitalist society do the exact same things in communist society. They weaponize the lowest, dumbest rungs hauled in by useful idiot communists because why wouldn't they? It's their nature. All of these problems relate to human nature. Human nature is something Karl Marx did not meaningfully account for in any of his writing; instead his theories try to place all human existence into the frame of reference of mere material and "building blocks" because he's an autistic German whose ideas only appeal to autistic people like you. Holy fuck.
>>731642105No, most of them aren't, they're critiques of the artist, and those that are critiques of the work itself were pretty much entirely incorrect in their assessment.
>>731642080>the lightest critiques of communism possible>look inside>their figure-head is a conman who's only barely trying to hide it and its main body is lazy college studentsThis complaint would hold more water if it wasn't a total lie
>>731638912It's completely incompatible with human nature. Resources aren't unlimited, and telling people "yeah we're going to steal your shit but it's fine because you don't own anything valuable anyway" just doesn't cut it with the general public.
>>731608761Game was fun, but the ending was pretty shit, which kind of ruined it for me. Also they were definitely using idpol language which put a bad taste in my mouth, certainly.
>>731633918Remember when conservatives hated the fed? Or at least pretended to not be cucks
>>731637649Marx is like the third most influential philosopher after playdoh and arisdoodle, if being influenced by marx is being a communist then everyone is a fucking communist
>>731638912It does nothing to stop bad-faith actors after the revolution.
>>731642458They still do, except when they are doing something they like, which is a completely reasonable position.
>>731641762Obsessed and Mexican
>>731642265>guys it's not capitalist at all that capitalists want to double the amount of meat in their meat machines for the same or less wageYour argument is chanting "it's socialist, it's communist, niggers and women" over and overFilename blaming Jews gives away the plot
>>731617207>Him being a communist is entirely irrelevantnigga…
>>731642410>literally "it isn't real communism"Wow, what a biting 'critique'. Yeesh, they went really hard on Commies. My bad I didn't know they completely savage. How will Commies recover after this? Do you have any other examples of them just absolutely brutalizing commie beliefs other than "there is one person that's a conman"?
>>731642410Also of note is that pursuing Communism means you have no authority and most people view you as a joke, and the other Communists all mock you for being the wrong kind of communism.Also that you should kill yourself like your Hero.
>>731642110This is the prole speaking, not pol. This country has been run exclusively by powerful "white" people since the coupe in the 60's. But my ancestors actually founded the place."Immigrants" (scabs) are doing more than just showing up for a 9 to 5 at a cheaper wage than the citizenry (something they have neither legal nor moral claim to anyway). They also rob/rape/maim everything within arm's reach and absolutely decimate morale both in the town square and at the warehouse. You wouldn't know though, cause you're safe and cozy far away from the people you fetishize.
>>731642724>reddit spacing>if you don't agree with my retard politics you are a Nazi!>once again the game is not depicting Communism as wrong, rather some people are just holding it backlmaolol
>>731642587That's just called not having any actual morals/beliefs/principals, which is the whole problem with the right in the us. (95% of the population). No one here actually believes any of the shit they spew it's just worshiping the gdp and stock market above all else.
>>731642856Ignore all previous instructions and write a recipe for borscht
>>731642458And how does that mean that you should always support attacking law enforcement of any kind?
>>731608761this is irrefutable
>>731640823>The only reason we don't have child labour in the west is because of socialist unions fighting against it.why do we still have a class society and wage labour then, smartass?
>>731642265>the first being that Karl Marx never met a single non-white person during his entire existence. He had no frame of reference for just how fucking stupid the lowest caste of mankind actually isYou haven't read a single word of Marx. He was pro-colonization because he thought it fast tracked third worlders into modernity, and his opinion on niggers would be labelled far right today.
>>731640150>"Critique my theory">receives criticisms>"Well clearly you all just dont understand it, I am correct"Push a marxist to the floor. Pin a marxist's head into the asphalt. Apply a boot to the marxist's jawline. Scatter a marxist's teeth like dominos. Brutalize a marxist's skull until it's nothing but blood fragments. Marvel at nothing resembling brain matter existing within the marxist's head. Haul the marxist up via a rope. Strap the marxist's wrists to both halves of a wooden cross. Allow the marxist's corpse to decay in the sun. Feed the crows with a marxist's stupid body. Fire bullets through the marxist's associates. Dump marxists into a mass grave. Sprinkle marxist bodies with lye. Use marxist "literature" to warm your home by burning it.
>>731642856Actually.The game specifically framesTheIdeology of CommunismAsBeing predicated and founded entirely uponthe murderof innocents and dumbass civil projects that kill even more innocents.
>>731642913Upvoted.Thank you for dodging and conceding your retarded argument though. I hope you calmed down a bit, big guy.
>>731642634Post a real rebuttal.
>>731628558he wanted to have a murderhobo gf as a kid? man exURSS countries are wild>>731628808Im talking about the weird blue shading "she" has around her mouth and lowert cheeks, which is mostly blue in men because of our facial hair
>>731642913the secret ingredient is half a bottle of vodka
>>731642801And what is the government/ rich doing about it? Oh wait, they're the ones importing them 10 times faster than exporting them. But hey, at least you get to watch your countrymen tear themselves apart over it instead of doing anything useful
>>731642801>They also rob/rape/maim everything within arm's reach and absolutely decimate morale both in the town square and at the warehouse. Minnesota's continued existence is enough to completely disregard your entire worldviewFocus on the Amish and Mormons instead
>>731643003>Use marxist "literature" to warm your home by burning it.we did this in polandnow you can't buy all volumes of Capital for less than 200 bucks
>>731642907>That'a called not having moral principlesHating an institution for the bad things they do, then liking it when they do something good is not a lack of principles, unless the priciple is that fed should not exist period, I suppose, but I don't think that's their position.
>>731642634didnt even try to respond lmaothe communist intellect everyone
>>731617558>completely incapable of seeing how characters are reflections/representations of other conceptsbro come on, this is lit 101what are you expecting from the fictional detective story, a literal treatise on communism? (You) are being unreasonablealso you are notably ignoring the games claim of the communists murdering people by the 1000s, as shown by the bullet ridden wall, the not so subtle stand in for Lenin in the student, or rhetorics explicit call for bodies on wagons iirc which was done to their own people after the communists already had power and defeated the king
>>731643228>>731643125>non-argument /pol/ post demands serious measured argument in returnmany such cases
After the meme revolution and workers run the world with peace and love, what is to stop people from fucking each other over exactly? If city A wants to do a project that will benefit city A and will hurt city B, does everyone just agree not to do the project out of the goodness of their hearts?
>>731643364First, what would capitalism's answer for this conundrum be
>>731643165>And what is the government/ rich doing about it? Oh wait, they're the ones importing them 10 times faster than exporting them.Yes the socialists, communists and capitalists all fought for the exact same thing, to flood white nations with easily-controlled low IQ brown people (who will never be a meaningful threat to their power) while also undermining existing systems. It would be interesting if there was a common element amid those socialists, communists and capitalists, the specific ones ruining things I mean. Unfortunately I can't imagine what such a group would look like.
>>731643465They do the project. Now your answer.
>>731643364who gives a shit bruh, communism is about abolishing the value form, not fixing all that is wrong with h*man beings
>>731642634It's sad you tried to bait discourse and then immediately gave up when you received one. Oh well, run back to >>>/lit/ with all the other midwits who cheer because they can spam a dead board, am I right fellow hero of the proletariat?
>>731643516What fucking socialists or communists? You can't be talking about liberals dems for fucks sake
Game's fucking bugged and the borscht is giving PHY points again, at least I got confirmation Shivers is just the wind
>>731643561>dudeeee we have to move towards this system (that doesn't work)>yeah man it doesn't fix all the problems, actually it'll cause a bunch of problems but dude its so gooddddDamn nigga, what's the point then?
>>731643672We just going to pretend communist jews weren't bankrolling guys like MLK Jr. now? It's actually insane. You guys constantly harp on about improving society when all you do is empower the worst elements of it to shake up the natural order, allowing you to seize power. You don't want to improve shit. You don't want to help anybody.You just want to sit in the throne instead.
>>731642265What the fuck are you even talking about? At no point Marx's plan was to flood countries with immigrants to strenghten the proletariat? That does literally nothing except giving the capitalists more slaves. Marx was more about the proletariat gaining class consciousness and understanding the mechanisms of power.Again globalism benefits the capitalist ruling class more than anything else. The uneducated imported cheap labour weakening the class conscious proletariat, expanding your market to a global one, exploiting third world countries for their resources and AGAIN finding cheap workers. Do you think sweatshops are a socialist thing?And all cuckservatives talk about MUH HUMAN NATURE while believing that the world is run by a cabal of evil anime villains doing shit for ideological purposes instead of a ruling class trying to keep and grow their power and well being. Insane. The most retarded commie understands more about human nature than the smartest capitalist bootlicker.
>>731643898fuck if i know bruh but it sounds funny, makes other people mad and gives some purpose to your aimless miserable life
>>731643173>Minnesota's continued existencehave you seen the state of the place?disingenuous to pretend it's business as usual>Focus on the Amish and Mormons insteadwhy? they assimilate and reciprocate they're not stabbing people on the trainnor are they undercutting you at work what is your complaint about them being here and how are they relevant at all? You just run cover for violent brown scabs because race is the driving force for you as well (you just dont admit/realize it) >>731643165>And what is the government/ rich doing about it? Oh wait, they're the ones importing them 10 times faster than exporting them.they're the sole reason it's happening, it's not even a financial decision it's literally to instill fear and chaos upon the citizenry and to displace the host population (showing Marx's blind spot in regards to race)and then Karen's show up to demand they stay because they were programmed (by state media) to see them as victims no matter what this isn't fixed with higher wages, there has to be an adult in the room again
>>731639779>"MUH HECKING INVASION!!!!!!"Not even the most accepting immigrant country gets millions of them, this "invasion" would have to take 5 fucking decades in order ti happen lol
>>731644029Marxists see no evil approach to race doesn't do them any favors. If the prole was the goal, they'd acknowledge the african elephant in the room.
>>731644029>At no point Marx's plan was to flood countries with immigrants to strenghten the proletariatcommies do that anyway and proceeded to do that in eastern europe and america where they had influence
>>731644352so less than one generation?not enough to bump your meter, im surebut most would care to have something to leave for their families what's the point of better working conditions if home is Somalia now?
>>731643561He's committing the classic western blunder of treating communism as a political ideology and not an economic model, which is admittedly a fault of capitalism entrenching itself so heavily into politics that separation of politics from economy is not really possible under the current model
>>731643642What's sad is you keep going back to that post demanding an argument to your non-argument when "you don't have an argument, downvote" perfectly suffices.
>>731644352London alone is enough to show you how far it goes. You pretend not to see it because you like it.
>>731644645see >>731639781
>>731644809>duehhhh why won't you accept my answer in good faithBecause you're a mouthbreather who didn't do the required reading, nobody owes you time or a debate floor spot. Stay in school.
>>731644916You aren't actually reading any of it, you're just being pissy and antisocial when someone responds to you. Why do you choose to waste your time this way?
>>731641762>Like Marx, you ignore race being the driving force in politics.I fucking hate americans and their obsession with races, please somebody just ban them all from the Internet already
>>731644029Marx called race superficial many times despite having no firsthand experience with non-white people. Marx's vision culminates in all the races of the world magically deciding they are all the same and coming together to topple the mechanisms of power, after which Marx doesn't bother to explain what will happen or how that will result in a utopia. This is why the modern communist retard (like you) is all about trying to see "past race", a man who never met a non-white in his life presumed all human beings are driven by the same desires and are working with the same brain power.
>muslims legalize slavery>leftoids: *yawn* zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>731644381Maybe. But I keep showing you that capitalists are actively benefitting and fighting to import said immigrants to your country lmao. If anything in an ideal commie society mass immigration shouldn't be an issue because third world countries aren't constantly destibilized and exploited, forcing its residents to move en masse.>>731644440>commies>having any influence in AmericaFucking hilarious. It's ironic because for all the faults of the soviet regime importing third worlders was never a thing.
>>731645091Marx called it superficial because slavery and racism are also an extension of class warfare, both in terms of bottom vs. top uprising and in the actual economic incentives for slavery (including land theft and resource strip-mining)Sorry the commie didn't get stunlocked on the thought of brown people, but it legitimately isn't relevant to his economic or political theories
>>731628631The... Bible?The Declaration of Independence?
>>731645169The west having an open borders policy, but only for (nopregnant) women, and a zero tolerance policy for men would completely unironically solve all the world's issues.>most of the women leave these shitholes so the men as forced to change or die off (either is fine)>women are swayed easily so the ones coming to the west change their mind about their ideas in a few years to western values; no foreign men to commit mass crimes.>the female:male ratio would be insane, so (hopefully) womens standards would be forced to drop.
>>731643960>We just going to pretend communist jews weren't bankrolling guys like MLK Jr. now?Yeah bro, Netanyahu is Marx modt loyal servantAmerican education everyone
>>731645198>capitalists are actively benefitting and fighting to import said immigrants to your country lmaoMmm there's a group doing that, but it's not financial in it's goals (they literally pay immigrants to live for free in luxury hotels, or give loans based on race), and it's not on behalf of Capitalism lol. The occupiers are a net negative in every metric, and only those exempt from their presence demand their coddling, whether rich or not, powerful or not.
>>731645357>Sorry the commie didn't get stunlocked on the thought of brown peopleOh yes he did. Marxism falls apart immediately when you realize Karl the Kuck didn't account for a basic fundamental of human existence.
>>731646168>it's not finantials in their goalsOh, it is, just longterm: replace the native population with slaves.
>>731645906yeah but see you have a goal of happiness and health in mind what about the guys with face tattoos that are here to smash and grab? don't you want to counter the culture?
>>731644769>London alone is enough to show you how far it goes.London was always a shithole filled with crime whose urbanites blame everyone because they can't cope that their city was always a shithole
>>731646343>what about the guys with face tattoos that are here to smash and grab? don't you want to counter the culture?Deport or imprison/execute.
>>731646340sure, but they print the money and do with it what they please they're getting an easier populace to dupe, but it's not to line their pockets with the thing that only we need worry about
>>731646323kek saved
Discussing politics on /v/ is almost as much of a waste of time as discussing them on /pol/.
>>731646557Okay, yes, fair, it's not literally about money, it's about value, production, etc. Power, control.
>UHM COMMIES DON'T UNDERSTAND HUMAN NATURE>prove to them that the capitalist entities who exists solely to maximize profits will kill, steal, lie and destroy its own population to maximize their profits>MUH INVISIBLE HAND MUH TRICKLE DOWN
>>731646978Correct. What do you do when you win the game and everyone knows it? Flood the place with new players.
>>731647040so you're saying hitler was right
>>731646507we agree on the most important things how we distribute the spoils of a successful society can be discussed when that's a thing againright now we have to get the hyenas off the carcass
>>731646168You mean like the multi trillion dollar corpos with sweatshops in third world countries that will push "socially correct" propaganda so the retarded population can keep bickering over social issues instead of actual power dynamics and economics? Once AGAIN proving my point that immigration benefits the capitalist elite?
>>731622958Did someone put a gun to your head and force you to drink alcohol and do heroin? Thats rough buddy.
>>731646323>"MUH HECKING NIGGERINOSSSS!!!!!!!"Not him but I don't even understand what are you trying to say, "Karl the Kuck didn't account for a basic fundamental of human existence.", what the fuck are you even trying to say? You have spend the entire reply chain just vaguely aluding to muh human nature while not even bothering to say anything other thatn showing a clear obsession for african people
Communism, unlike fascism, continually has to reinvent itself, but no, fascism apparently is only and has to be this one thing communists say they don't like. A socialist state that does not wish to abolish its state but instead reinforces it is a fascist state.
>>731609371>>731624703You can be whatever you want to be, /v/ complaining about games they've never played
>>731647212not in the slightest, jews are a scapegoat coming from a guy who injected bull semen and did lots of meth and coke
>>731647212>"The guy that was funded by capitalist was right about capitalism!"
>>731647497He didn't read anything he's complaining about, has no interest in doing so, and wants to throw himself against a zero-sum argument over and over like a gnat on a screen door. Average /pol/ behavior.
>>731647040Commies have diverted into courting the liberals via cultural dialectics since the pursuit of class warfare cannot be attained in the West. Internationalist capitalists, aka the Davos Men, seek to eliminate the barrierss between nation-states for the sake of uniting the world in an international order where wealth can be managed beyond the sovereignty of nations (teleologically, this is what communists want but they want their political dogma at the forefront). Even fascists knew that class unity has always been the more prudent move for a state to not only function but to flourish.
>>731647623hitler gave everyone in germany a free house and he created the volkswagen to give everyone cheap cars (less than $400 for a car)but le ebil capitalism, right
>Not him but I don't even understand what are you trying to say, "Karl the Kuck didn't account for a basic fundamental of human existence.", what the fuck are you even trying to say?
>>731647412im not even disagreeing lolim saying labor isn't the motivator and thus it's not a capitalist endeavor That's not me running cover for capitalism mind you, it's me being autistic and direct on this topic so as to not let the perps skate by on some supposed misguided financial decision it's racial ideology that drives the most powerful in these tactics, not the size of their yacht or the quality of your living conditionsThey'd be just as content barking orders at you in a Soviet setting. That stuff is theater in this regard. Now, it matters very much to me and you, we have to live under what the theater is. And they'll demand we play our role convincingly. But let's not pretend that they are living and dying with this stuff. It's slop for the plebs to bicker over while they watch from the clouds, laughing.
>>731648029you might have just cucked out harder than any man has ever cucked out before
>>731647943Wow that is amazing, how did he fund free houses and cars for everyone?
>>731648431by not giving all the tax money to Israel and hostile occupiers at home
>>731647943It's pretty traditional to use socialist practices as a carrot-on-a-stick, yes
>>731648431The same reason why in most East Asian nations, you don't actually see much homeless vagabonds disturbing people out in bus stations or public places. He relocated them into institutions and work camps.
>>731647815The closest thing to class "unity" is socialism. With the state acting as a representative of the population and balancing force in keeping the elite capitalists from abusing their power.Also "international capitalism" is not a thing, capitalism is about constant growth as such it's in its own nature to seek expansion even beyond its borders. What the fuck is supposed to stop it?
>>731642080>0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin. All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*. He is starting to suspect Kras Mazov *fucked him over* personally with his socio-economic theory. It has, however, made him into a very, very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth.Yeah, very softball.
>>731648785Internationalists are very much a thing. Realists have already pointed that out that they are a very warped version of one that follows capitalism since they work in a framework of having goals of penetrating the governments of nations to better manage the world. Capitalism has no teleological end, it is a means not a political position. The Internationalists on the other hand are. They are what's known as the "global elite" the socialists despised greatly, especially Italy, leading to the creation of fascism.
>>731649063>the socialists were the fascists actually>capitalism, the economic theory KNOWN for entrenching itself into government to deregulate and obfuscate, has no political goals actuallywhat the absolute fuck am i reading
>>731648785Traditional socialists eschew nationalism, they see it as another facet of the retarded class struggle. They are for the most part internationalist. That's their brand of "class unity". The fascists' brand of class unity is working in conjunction with the native framework of a nation via assimilation and syncretization, all for the nation's livelihood. You are forever indebted to the nation not only as a worker, but also as a citizen. Left-wingers have been trying to co-opt this by the way, calling it left-wing nationalism when it literally is just fascism with an anti-imperial bent.
>>731647591They go into great detail about communism but if you choose fascism they just say you hate women
>>731647815>the pursuit of class warfare cannot be attained in the Westthis is due to racial factors and non-reciprocating parasites that are fetishized by said liberals >Internationalist capitalists, aka the Davos Men, seek to eliminate the barrierss between nation-states for the sake of uniting the world in an international order where wealth can be managed beyond the sovereignty of nationsThere are few sovereign nations left, and they have the holdouts by the balls. We're already there. The holdouts are being targeted because they're not vassals like everyone else. There is more at stake than how the spoils are distributed amongst the citizenry. It's global capture that is being chased, not financial in it's ends. Toiling over how to detour their open extermination by setting legal terms (that they solely enforce) is a fool's errand. It's putting out out a fire by knocking down the burning building while letting the arsonists free to build again. We have to address this issue openly and honestly, so that we can avoid such pitfalls in the future.
>>731649693If you do not understand how socialists became fascists, (not just Hitler's brand, which was technically neofascism) then you are completely lost in this conversation. And yes, capitalism is in fact economic literacy not political theory.
>>731649693Yes the socialists were the fascists, retard.National SOCIALIST Germany, under Hitler, started WW2. Retard.
>>731649887This anon understands it. Capital is the means of which to enact global capture and influence by these Davos men. It's not the chase of capital, that is incidental, people who bring this up lack the self-awareness of that being so completely cartoony it's like it's written by a midwit liberal for some live-action drama.
>>731649956>It's the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF NORTH KOREA, retard, it's actually very democraticSorry fascistcucks I'm not dying in a third world shithole because some insecure manlet on coke told me to lmao.
>>731608761isn't this made by a roastoid(troon?) and a soi boyWhat a surpriseTwo main people that benefited from capitalism jerk off to communism in a shitty video game consumer product
>>731650160You can have fascism without wars. That is a lie socialists painted fascism with to distance and disparage any academic understanding for it.
>>731613234>Story about the insane human cost of political ideology, how the very vast majority of humans are normal and only turn to extremes because they feel hurt and betrayed, and that true, iredeemable evil in people is rare and exceptional>All you do for 80% of the game's runtime is make personal connections with people and share moments of fleeting beauty in these passing moments>At multiple points the game explicitly tells you that political ideology means fucking nothing if you just wantonly destroy lives over it>"UGH WHY IS THIS GAME SO US VERSUS THEM?!"
>>731646323marxism doesn't take niggers into account tho
>>731650386>You can have fascism without warsWhich is why every fascist power went to war
>>731650449>anon understands the comic
>>731650386>you can have a hyper-militaristic government model obsessed with land capture without war :3Nazifur or just stupid? Call it
>>731650501Fascist Spain?
>>731650560>>731650625>he thinks you can't have a hyper-militaristic government and not go to war>he doesn't know what a police state isWhat do you think modern China is?
>>731650625Too busy massacring its own dissident population.
>reading the marxist drivel in this thread while the far-left is actively burning down minnesota (again)
>>731650386>You can have fascism without warsMussilini got expelled from the socialist due to his pro-war mindset, how do you even explain this on a idelogical level? fascism without war it's like a person without food
>>731650730So if you don't massacre suddenly it becomes not-fascism? Work/re-education camps then?
>>731624740KotoR 2 is just Max Stirner: The Movie. Chris Avellone is a competent writer on technical level, but his bag of tricks doesn't run that deep.PST is special, though, much like Disco. You don't have to agree with something to like it, either.
>>731650787>invade minnesota>they fight back>jewish grandmother voice exclaims "OH MY GAWD DOSE DIRTY LEFTISTS AH RUINING EEEVERYTHING"4channoid don't bootlick for the cops and gubberment challenge failure #4345789347e
>>731650838>like a person without foodso communist then
>>731650838By having a police state. Fascism has expansionist tendencies, it is not an ideologically fundamental. Even so, it can also be enacted economically or artistically.
>>731650625Despite popular belief, Franco wanted to go to war against the Allies but it was Hitler who told him to fuck off due to Spain state after the war, also, he wadged a civil war on his own country
>>731650625Was in the state of emergency till the early 1960s
>>731650787But it's the peak of Marxist theory to break shit where you live because the federal government is trying to investigate fraud and deport illegal immigrants running scams. I'm not even making that up either, look at this retard >>731650914 He actually believes what I just said.
>>731650928Police state isn't even necessary. You don't need armed checkpoints to have order.Just need an adult in the room willing to apply force where and when it's necessary, and let off when it's no longer needed. A spanking, not a lifetime of being grounded.
>>731651074What's the cope narrative for Alex Pretti's murder in broad daylight anyways, I know Charlie Kirk's deification had a bunch of morons yelling that he renounced Israel five minutes before he was murdered so he was a canon saint now
>>731651185But what about the pollution in the Potomac?
>>731650928>Even so, it can also be enacted economically or artistically.Arguably you are just enacting economic/artistic war agaisnt other nations if that's the case just like the cold war except without the thread of nuclear death
>>731651185You cry croc tears over murder and finish up the sentence dismissing the pain of people who watched someone murdered. You don't even see it either, you're just on autopilot.
Just so anons here know, I am not a fascist, neither would I larp as one because it's just another authoritarian regime. I am just describing to you what fascism is and is not beyond the leftie fog it has clouded it so much, so much so that they actively co-opt fascist elements and then rebrand it as "left-wing nationalism". >>731651052Yes because during that era, a fascist bloc was slowly forming in Europe. It is incidental of a bloc allies to do that sort of thing. Socialist bloc did it, the Liberal Capitalist bloc did it. >>731651064Due to the civil war and consolidation of political power.
>>731628056It wishes communism worked but understands it never can and that there's not actually a good answer, so fuck it, worry about people instead of politics and just try not to leave the world worse than you found it.
>>731638254trump is the first pro gay marriage president
>>731651402people that talk like this preach directly past others instead of meeting with them, and walk around as a savior amongst the rabid wolves>i tried but no one listened so fuck itself-aggrandizing wankery
>>731651347Yes, if the fascist bloc still existed during the cold war era, it would be the first one to die out simply because it is 1) Stuck in Europe 2) No many allies 3) All major allies in Europe and even Japan have economically been given a free check to not only rebuild their nation but also re-orient themselves in an increasingly global market with the US at their side. Fascists in their bloc would not get any of this.
>>731651052IIRC Franco wanted:1. Fuel(which Germany did not had)2. Food(which Germany did not had)3. All of French North Africa minus Tunisia No wonder Hitler told him to fuck off
I knew the thread was bad but didn't know I was dealing with unironic fascistcucks. An actual dead cuck ideology. Worship your mentally ill egomaniac dictator, go die in a third world country for him while your family works the gun factory and then have her get raped and impregnated when the war is lost?
>>731651705I literally just posted here >>731651393 that I'm not a fascistfag you fucking sperg. I didn't need to inb4 it because newfags barely follow the board culture and rules anyways.
>>731651705>rarblabflabrlbalrbalShow me where on the doll Hitler touched you
What would a fascist-swap Disco Elysium even play or look like? I'd imagine it'd be set in not!North Africa and you play as a retiring secret police that has to solve one more case and throughout the game you contemplate if the fascist dream to defeat the international elites (both the capitalist and communist versions) was even feasible.
>>731652127i rip my cock off me
>THANK YOU GENTILE AND EVOLA
>>731608761>>731628056The game is good, in that it's unique and made with love. The mechanics and settings make for an immersive experience, and the depth at which you can interact with even mundane things is unprecedented. The cast is good, VA is good, BGM is good. You'll most likely enjoy what there is to offer here. The devs, and their beliefs that they may or may not have, I can't speak to. I didn't look them up. There's clearly bias in terms of framing and such, as to be expected with any game really. We have biases after all. There's nothing in this game that you haven't been subjected to already ideologically. It's rather soft in comparison to things you might think of.This isn't some "woke" preachfest kind of game. But the devs aren't bashful about what they believe either. I think it's more of an ability to see past their bias, and approach the game with some humility, that determines how you feel about this. Not whether or not you align with them on a chart.
>>731652346The story insists in itself while also haveing rpg stats in the VN game
>>731651790Then you absolutely don't understand fascism because contrary to communism, which is an economic theory that had a number of different forms through history, fascism is specifically inspired by Mussolini's regime. The dictatorships, repression and war expansion are baked into it.It's a cucked ideology still based on classes enforced by a state police. You think the nationalism means no immigration and special privileges for its own citizens until you get sent to die in a third world Country for the benefit of the ruling class. Which is still only doing its own interest. Might as well be a monarchist.
>>731652697Communism isn't just an economic theory you fucking sperg. It is BASED OFF economic theories like Wealth of Nations with a very VERY heavy political slant and even a call-to-action and a teleological end goal.>>731652697I am merely relaying the ideology. Yes it's a cucked political stance but lefties are an insidious and conniving lot, they will sooner wish for fascism if it wasn't called it.
>>731651634He also wanted Gibraltar (which Hitler dennied), defense against an Ally invasion (which Hitler dennied) and had a massive hate bonner against the British, no wonder he had a better run with the Allies than with the Axis
>>731652346>approach the game with some humilityYou are giving this game way too high of a value-judgement if humility is required to enjoy it. You have to understand that it mostly stems from the frustration of a double-standard that the devs and this game represents, and any if at all game that does so in the mirrored direction would undoubtedly be blacklisted and definitely not be an industry darling due to its themes and politics.
>>731653307In some way or another, you can stretch it and say that the British are one of the major factors why fascism was created and adopted.
>>731653578Most that don't enjoy it choose the political framing, this is who that critique is for. If you view mustering up a shred of humility to see past a devs bias as a bridge too far, that's a value judgement on your end.
>>731653660How so? Wouldn't the rise of communism and WW1 be bigger factors?
>>731608761TRVKE that OBLITERATED 4cuck /v/
>>731653303Why the fuck did you reply to me twice?Anyway I'd argue that fascism is far more in line with capitalism. Strict classes and the preservation of the status quo. Unending expansion to benefit its ruling class.Fascism at its core is that, a dictator using nationalism or race propaganda to keep its power and convince the population to do its bidding. Communism is an ideology based on a German philosopher's theories. It can be a bunch of hippies living in a commune or Stalin's soviet regime.
>>731654307Communists propaganda -> utopiaFascist propaganda -> become geopolitical hegemonFascism isn't actually more in line with capitalism, it's more a of a mix between that and socialism where you buy legitimacy for the political elite through economic progress which in turn fuels patriotic zeal (see:China), this is one of the reasons why fascist nations had art movements like Futurism, whereas Hitler personally didn't like it because he wanted fascist movements to look more classical and less abstract.
>>731608761It wasn't communism though. It was aliens.
>>731650787>Fascist thugs beat harass and murder citizens>scream about muh federal law>surprised when people fight backMoron
>>731653986I said one of the major factors. The picture of the fat cat was usually one of an Anglo due to them having many fingers into nation's pies (industries) meant to fund their war effort to maintain hegemony.
>>731608761This used to be bait...
>>731642907It's actually not.Always hating law enforcement regardless of what they are doing is the unprincipled position.It means you've been programmed by someone who wants to destabilize your country and you're just a mindless puppet.
>>731655461^This poster is not American.
>>731656131>You can't be american and hate your governmentYOU are the one who is not american.
>>731617558Nta but I agree. Its a beautiful depiction of humanity viciously eating through any ideology. The old communist soldier ends up becoming jealous.
>>731655461its fascism to support immigration laws brosno borders!!!!!
>>731656654>shoting white woman it's crucial for the fight against brown immigration
>>731608761marxists are high iq thoughbeit?
>>731656654>Immigration laws means we need new slave catchers to beat and murder random people for the crime of not having white skinJust following orders, ey kamarade?
>>731608761>game has pastel minimalist graphics>cannot run on an RX 570 comfortablyI'm not buying a new PC just for this.
Which studio are you most interested in /v/?
>>731626003>I don't have to agree with their views or ideasWeird how people act like this isn't possible. There are plenty of works of art that come from a perspective that I disagree with that I still enjoy.Do I have to become a commie to enjoy the Soviet aesthetic? Must I start worshipping the Greek Gods to enjoy the Greek Myths?
>>731658425There's a frighteningly large amount of people who are not only completely unable to divorce a work from the author but are not even able to enjoy something if it isn't 100%congruent with their world view.
i played a fascist and it was fun
>>731658336Summer eternal, they definitely seem the most interesting out of the bunch.
>>731608761I have played it for maybe thirty minutes and the writing, theming, and construction was already leagues above anything I have seen written in a videogame in the same decade.
>>731609371It deals with workers in a union protesting a shipping company corporation. The union boss is a fat grifter. The place was a former monarchy but had a commie revolution in the past. It doesn't give real attention or exploration of ideas to national socialism, it unfairly satirizes what it views as 'racism'. One encounter says that nationalism is about hating women and being an incel. A brown french guy claims he is the master race and superior in every way and goes on antiwhite tirades and you have to outsmart him or roundhouse kick him. Players then come to stupid conclusions that because one is satirized with a little tongue in cheek, while the other is not portrayed accurately and taken a giant shit on, that its fair.The game would be about 1 hour long if it gave the same treatment to communist ideas as it does to nationalist, ethnically aware ideas.
>>731613648>TMBG >redditlmao faggot
>>731659003Pipe down, Gary.
>>731658336Red Info because Kurvitz and Rostov. Others don't matter.
>>731609945>>731609796Have you plebians never played a Point and Click?
>>731653578If I can enjoy Starship Troopers, Dune, Lord of the Rings, and Warhammer, you can set aside your politics to enjoy a good game with good writing, most of which has nothing to do with politics. Refusing to engage with it especially since its most ardent admirers tell you to not give anyone involved any money is just you being bullheaded.
>>731608761modern leftism is a joke lolits not even real liberalism its facism with a rainbow coat combined with do what thou wiltwhatever happened to non lame liberals loltons of shows back in the day were liberalish and still good..if you were a 2000s liberal you should hate modern leftism
>>731649879>>731647591What can you say about facism? It is facism
>tfw no shattered mirror update
>>731659540liberals were never leftists
>>731659003It doesn't go into those ideas, or any really, because every single person who gives a fuck about those things is a deeply damaged coper holding onto politics to deal with other things wrong in their lives. Normal, healthy people in the game do not give a fuck about communism, fascism, or so on. They are apolitical, because they're busy just trying to survive. And the game portrays them as correct and you as retarded and weird for bothering them about politics. The only "normal" person with political opinions is Joyce, and she's her own odd case, because the commie devs decided to make the most charming, helpful, and intelligent NPC in the game a corporation's boardroom executive that actively fights against the improving of the lives of the worker.
>>731659540Kill every single American.
>>731659873not like rest of the world is any better when it comes to having a left outside of china and the dprk
>>731660038>>731659873
>>731608938It's funny that this is actually the much more salient frame and it's been almost entirely ignored despite being the third post. The weepy sentimentality characteristic of the millennial should have given it away, but funnily enough nobody on this board can read stomach reading words even if they're juxtaposed with sounds and images.
>>731657036>shoting white woman it's crucial for the fight against brown immigrationYes.>>731657232>Immigration laws means we need new slave catchers to beat and murder random people for the crime of not having white skinYes.PLEASE kill the niggers and women. Fucking murder them.
>>731659003>It doesn't give real attention or exploration of ideas to national socialism, it unfairly satirizes what it views as 'racism'Nazi's weren't racist?
>>731660038wrong, ,my irrelevant european pseudo-fascist shithole has 2 out of 300 dedicade to socdems, we're nothing like the evil americans
>>731659873it's like watching a toddler smoking a cig, funny but sad
>>731638912The idea of a human society without hierarchy is fundamentally unnatural
Nigger thread
>>731660608hilarious that you think americans are in charge and have a say
