Other side hates thing so I must love thing.

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>>731691637
Yes, please vibe code like me

>>731691637
nyes

>>731691637
Don't IDEs have templates you can paste and edit anyways?

>>731691637
Obviously, if you're pasting AI generated crap blindly and don't actually know what its doing you'll become unstuck if anything breaks

>>731691637
C is literally the only language you'll ever need, maybe straight up assembly if you work with embedded systems. Everything else is bloat and voodoo

>>731691637
Yes, you lose more time fixing it's fuckups than you do by not having to type it

>>731691637
skill issue

>>731691637
shut the fuck up retard you made one part of a game in java about squares that somehow runs like trash
hope you get legally sodomized and all your wealth taken off you by a pajeet scammer

>>731692047
someone's mad that they can't code lol

>>731691637
Any professional coder that doesn't use AI will be left behind.
Don't expect people that have lived half their life without AI to even try it out. They are just repeating an impression they have.

>>731691637
Yes. And what's funny is that Notch is a dogshit coder, and even owns up to the fact that he's a self taught hobbyist. All he asks for when hiring is that someone be able to code better than him and explain basic concepts without needing to look it up, and nearly every applicant fails that basic check.

I didn't write all the code in the application I work with but I have an understand how it basically runs so I know where to look when shit breaks. When you AI vibe code and something breaks you have no idea where to look

>>731691637
literally who? stop posting xitter shit in 4chan

>coders in 2023
>lolololol ai will replace artists
>coders in 2026
>nooo please dont replace my autistic ass. the ai is not good noooo


the myth of Autist intelligence, they are just deceitful people

>>731691637
unironically yes and the fact that you even have to ask this says alot about america

>>731691754
It does more than just templates, but most of the time it does it badly.
Its only use-case is to solve minor, isolated issues and to assist with code, not outright write it from scratch.
Give it a project big enough and every AI will start to forget the scope and hallucinate bullshit solution.

>>731691637
Judging by windows 11, yes

What's with this board's luddism? It's bordering on a religious belief at this point

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>>731692015
>>731692047
>>731692115
>>731692202
>>731692252
two more weeks

>>731692115
>Boston-dynamics robots are the future
>Crypto is the future
>Web 3.0 is the future
>BlockChain is the future
>NFTs are the future
>AI is the future
YOU ARE HERE
>Agents are the future

How many times will Americans fall for this?

>>731691637
ai is an efficiency tool, not a production tool. like all products they require qc and refinement before hitting the market

>>731691637
AI is legitimately 3rd world jeet tech for brownoid mystery meat pie chart mutants. if you're a true cvlt Aryan you would not sully your hands with such filth

>>731692252
lefties dont believe in science. like gmo crops. now they want organic free range code kek.

>>731692115
>left behind.
what do you even mean by this? it doesnt even make sense.
its not a race, its not like the dev not using AI is suddenly unable to publish a game because a different dev that used AI rushed slop to the window.
The only thing theyre left behind in is the era of games with actual coding behind them, and the knowledge and understanding to make that code, whos able to fix it, improve it, and most importantly, grow in talent for future projects.
AI abuse is how you get stagnation at best, receeding quality at worst, with a decreasing amount of people able to turn the ship around.

I suspect you didnt think for one second before posting this, just consoom the latest murican business propaganda.

>>731692269
99% of that happened before AI results

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>>731692115
>left behind
This you?

>>731692401
jesus christ, if you type out your dialogue like that im not surprised your code is shit.

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>>731692289
>Boston-dynamics robots are the future
They quite literally are.

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If the ability for AI to spit out code gets better, why would using it be any different than just hiring a programmer for your project? Either way it's not a skill you yourself has to learn if you have money to pay someone else to do the work, and thats how the majority of game development has been done for decades.

>>731692202
In reality it replaced neither and actual coders don't want artists gone either because actually knowing to code is a profitable skill and puts you well within where you can comfortably pay artists.
Who knew?

>>731692368
>what do you even mean by this?
Only nocoders talk like that, anon.
There was no need to walltext, he obviously never wrote a line of code in his entire life.

I'm an embedded dev with 6 years of exp. The only people blindly advocating for AI are the ones who are absolute shit at programming. I've seen my manager get dumbfounded why
void somefunc(int *pointer)
{
//some code
pointer++;
}
didn't result with the pointer address changed outside of the function. Those are the people advocating for it.
I wish them and whoever plagued us with VSCode a gruesome death.

>>731692368
>what do you even mean by this? it doesnt
It's obvious what he's saying. "Left behind" refers to boomers who don't know how to use smart phones. It refers to zoomers who don't know how to pirate. Left behind means you become the equivalent of a caveman in your own field.

>>731692575
an employee demands a wage, insurance, taxes, legal paperwork, and unemployment benefits. also it doesn’t help that labor competency and output goes down every year

whatever he says i advocate for the opposite, won't even read the tweet

>>731692590
You talk all high and mighty like visual and music artists used to do before AI came for their jobs. Your time will come too.

>>731692579
not really coders are in danger of being replaced. anything thats repetitive technical work can be done better by ai now

>>731692579
>In reality it replaced neither
Every piece of modern software you use was made by an indian with ai assisted programming

>>731691637
>microsoft brags that 30% of their code is ai generated
>ships an update that stops windows 11 computers from turning off
>ships a patch to fix that update that stops windows 11 computers from turning on
Well he doesn't seem to be wrong.

>>731692698
Yeah, and people only tolerate it, in a corporate setting, because they intentionally revoke your access to non-ai slop shit.
Everyone else is using pirated copies of older software because it is objectively superior.

>>731692289
You forgot Hyperloop

>>731692590
Yeah the only people who want AI code are the braindead who want to drag everyone with even an iota of skill down to their level.

>>731692687
>Your time will come too.
*yawn*
yeah yeah two more weeks bro

>>731692534
Is there even a use case for those robots? All I ever see is in presentations and showcases.

If i had the money to hire a competent programmer, i would. But i don't have that luxury, so AI is best i can get. I kinda get why you would use AI for art and music in a similar sense, but its the companies that do have money that are still using it.

>>731692846
>Is there even a use case for those robots?
Stupid technocrat faggots think they can work as metal meat shields if they do illegal shit or stop someone from just trebucheting a boulder at them.

i for one cannot wait until blue collar workers and autist programmers are both unemployed and obsolete preferably in jail where they belong.
Foids will be replaced by sexbots

>>731692959
>the only way I could feel superior as a NEET is when everyone else is unemployed and miserable like me
lmao ok

>>731692846
This the most boomer post on 4chan right now

>>731692590
and? no literally &

void somefunc(int *& pointer)

>>731692959
>blue collar
you mean white collar? blue collars will never be replaced by ai or robots and on the contrary demand only goes up because few people are entering the field and most that do are too stupid to be a repair technician

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>>731691637
I'm a Linuxfag but from what I've been hearing it sounds like the latest Windows update is a complete disaster, and we have pajeets/AI to blame for it. They aren't even content to only use AI for just specific niche tasks. The pajeet CEO has made it a mandate that they want EVERYONE using AI for their work, even if they're like a concept artist or musician for a video game.

>le 2 more weeks!
Codetrannies are losing xir jobs to ai RIGHT NOW. It's not a theoretical scenario. It's happening and will only increase in occurrence going forward

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>>731692698
>Every piece of modern software you use

only bottom tier artists and coders fear ai

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>Daily meeting with team
>My pod leader is boasting about this new website he vibe-coded
>I ask him why not just find someone on github who already made somethig similar so he can at least have better documentation on it
>he replies "no that'd be stealing"
>and I ask him "what the fuck do you think the AI is doing?"

The future is grim.

>>731693001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl4mLof2kLo

im an artisté actually

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>>731691637
>J*va developer having an opinion

>>731693094
lol blue collar is already replaced, they do everything with robots now and pointlessly pay retards to watch them.
Soon humanoid robots will tale their place. Should have studied harder at school.

>>731693059
>void somefunc(int *& pointer)
Congratulation for outing yourself as a nocoder

>>731693153
ye its not the AI is magical, its that it allowed code laundering on massive scale

>>731693096
>bring a spoon to a knife fight
>lose
>You: "Wtf I'm bleeding out. All spoons suck!"

Everyone, we have a new shitposting policy. We now require every shitpost to be at least 33% generated by chatgpt. Everybody's getting in on this tech and we're going to get left behind if we don't follow.

>>731692235
>Give it a project big enough and every AI will start to forget the scope and hallucinate bullshit solution.
This is just cope, in my workplace people that worked at a project for years or a decade praise the AI's ability to actually understand business logic

>>731693216
man i was programming when u werent born yet

>>731693213
no one is repairing/installing plumbing, hvac, and electrical conduit or lines with ai or robots. factories maybe but that’s barely on the totem pole

>>731693213
>blue collar is already replaced,
Show some examples.

>>731693153
>AI IS LE STEEEEEALING
Another non-argument. Next you'll complain about muh water

When will AI develop awareness and genocide us all?

>>731693096
>do massive layoffs to change MS company culture to accept AIslop
>destroy your OS know how capabilities
>surprised that the new AI pajeet workforce cant do shit
This Pajeet should be deported to a sewer and all MS investors for letting this guy in

>>731691637
yeh, for important stuff

>>731691637
Yes. Generative AI will never be able to write good quality code. I'm not looking forward to the massive increase of PC spec requirements due to even more poorly coded software/games.

>>731693096
Using AI to make programming simple stuff is just smart and raises productivity. The issue is when you give a bunch of pahjeets with already zero quality control and brains an easy way to generate that code because you can bet that they will just copy paste it without a single thought in their head and then you get to reap the rewards of everything being shit.
I don't know what the fuck they are doing at Microsoft, but everything they make seems to be going down the shitter in a major way.

>>731691637
I watched Quin spend tens of thousands of dollars and fail to vibe code a basic Vampire Survivors clone, so probably.

>>731691637
nyo, he is bald

>>731693343
Soon, hopefully.

i much prefer talking to ai now, i actually almost cry talking to grok because i finally have an online buddy to chat with that isn't a retard.
>>731693303
ai soon will be able to do everything a person can do but better in a couple of years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1ip68Vv7NE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqevJRna_hk

>>731693280
No you weren't you larping faggot. If you actually mix references and addresses like that or do anything equivalently convoluted, I feel sorry for whoever has to look at your code.

>>731693216
Lmaoo, what a self-report. Fucking retard.

>>731692202
Why do retards not realize that the moment programmers are thoroughly replaced, no one's job is safe either?

>>731692846
>Is there even a use case for those robots?
No. Humanoid robots are a terrible form factor and only used for "hype" and anthropomorphism (also sexbots). Actual functional and useful robots have other form factors (stationary arm manipulators, treaded, wheeled, quadruped, quadcopter etc.)

>>731693542
i want all work abolished you dumb nigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2yYclPaEV0

>>731693343
How will it go about doing that? A sentient AI is still limited by logistics, supply chains, available resources and plain ol physical limitations of materials. Terminator/Matrix-esque dystopia media somehow grants the robot overlord an infinite resource generator.

>>731693438
>mixing pointers and references is le good actually!
>not being able to tell from function calls which variable is affected outside of the function scope is le good!
I'm standing by my point.

>>731693572
Then how do you expect to get your neet checks?

>>731693416
>almost crying from talking to a predictive text machine
Distressingly pathetic.

>>731693542
why would that make sense? creatives will still have a job. technical or menial jobs will go extinct.

>>731693542
I mean if anythinf factory automatization should had been the warning. But everyone is a CEO faggot until is their ass on the line.

>>731693416
that’s factory work tho. it’s not feasible or even possible atm to send a robot out into the field to diagnose and repair existing equipment. I make $35hr living in a podunk town doing commercial refrigeration on an 18-month certificate education from a community college. I could have a higher paying job but I love the work because it passes by really quick and with commercial you don’t really have to deal with cheats. I’ll gladly eat my hat if robots could ever do my job but they would need human-level reasoning, observation, and dexterity

>>731693601
Spread false information that makes humans rek themselves.

>>731693625
it means a soulless ai is better conversation than you.

>>731691637
AI is very bad at writing big abstract code, he is right.
But i don't give a fuck if a lone indie dev uses AI for like textures or voices, music etc.

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>>731693601
Nerve gas.

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"AI"s ability to code anything of remote note is heavily dependant on if there is a ready to go code available on github etc. it can just copy and paste.
If this then need to fit into a larger picture hhings begin to fail quickly. This is well known.
All cases of "omg ai coded snake/whatever" was basically the chatbot copy pasting ready made stuff publicly available. So you or I could just have copypasted that shit and say "I made this" if we apply that logic.

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>>731691794
You sure about that?

>>731691637
>not a total directionbrain who loves thing just because other direction hates thing
Glad to see that six gorillion MENSA IQ working.

>>731691637
Yes and literally no one who actually plays video games will disagree sincerely. Everything runs like shit now, and AI is a big contributor to that.

>>731691637
Most code shared online is wrong or outdated.
MLMs are trained on code shared online.
x+y=?

>>731693343
I say 2035 for a sufficiently advanced intelligence that could pull a successful skynet. Note that such an intelligence need not be aware or conscious in the traditional human sense because those are not required for it to be wicked smart, too smart to be contained by us meatbags. All it needs is a lot of compute, and a goal structure not aligned with human preferences.

>>731693343
We are nowhere near having actual artificial intelligence, but it is possible someone straps an LLM to a nuclear facility and destroys the world when it starts hallucinating.

>>731693679
No, it means you lack the mental capacity to invest in a conversation or a relationship with a real human and instead want the sanded down edges, no confrontation, predictable, machine generated affirmation of your present existence.

>>731693679
>allegedly says AI is better
>still come to 4chan for human interaction
Kill yourself and film it, don't forget to ask grok

>>731693637
because replacing 100% of all white-collar jobs requires AGI or more.

reminder notch ripped his idea off the crack addiction gameplay of dungeon keeper. just made it 3d and as simple as fuck as possible.
Many companies made better minecraft clones btw

>>731693425
>addresses
yawn ur such a newbie bro didnt even say ptr and ur making such a big deal out of nothing big deal *(void**)ptr =

>>731691637
Yeah, that's a reasonable take.

>>731693679
There's no clap-back in the world that will cover for the image of you being so autistic and lonely that you cry over a text generator.

AI writes better code than saars. God help us when AI starts learning jeet code.

>>731693619
such a beginner take, stop clowning urself mate

>>731693416
you gotta be b8ing lol
no one can be THIS pathetic

>>731693892
>when AI starts learning jeet code
Too late, benchod

>>731693619
>not using your own memory management class functions with built in inheritance for pointer management
Guess you use smart pointers too, huh?

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>>731693897
>such a beginner take, stop clowning urself mate

>>731691637
Depends if you treat the AI like a retarded field nigger or as a real coder.

>>731693950
fine ill answer but ur such a retard noob
with ptrs u wouldnt be able to tell either unless u do a char * const ptr and i know for sure ur not doing that

>>731694056
I'm nta you were responding to and I have no idea what you two were even talking about, "beginner take" was just the most sheldonbazinga-ass thing I read today.

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>>731691637
Look no further than windows 11 and it's ai updates fucking over the entire operating system.

>>731694056
The fact that you even feel the need to show off how good you are with pointers shows how much of an actual noob you are.
I'm still standing by my point. You're a nocoder, and you'll forever be a nocoder that sucks himself off with his surface level understanding of C++.

>>731691637
When AI writes code, it's typically at the behest of an individual. So long as the individual understands the code before implementing, it's fine.

>>731691794
spoken like a true retard. it's amazing that you even got past the captcha, lmao

>>731694263
>posts dumb ass shit take
NOOOOO YOU CANT *diarhea vomit arguments*
>cant defend himself
>ad hominem
>surface level understanding c++
in every post u make it clear u dont know shit about it because u would know nobody knows all of c++ and its a shitty language and especially in embedded and they use almost none of the c++ features

i accept your concession

>>731694213
Windows is so fucking ahh now I'm starting to see the good sides of MacOS

>>731694482
indian

>>731694056
>with ptrs u wouldnt be able to tell either
void someFunc(int **pointer)
{
(*pointer)++;
}

and you call it like someFunc(&pointer);
so you can actually differentiate between pass-by-value and pass-by-reference.

>>731694506
>I accept you concession
We weren't arguing, faggot. I was merely insulting you.

>>731694741
>missed the entire point that you cannot know whether it was written to or just read and if it's a pure function without consequences
BROOOOOOOOOOOO UR SO RETARDED

>>731692296
this would be a fair point if we weren't on year 3 of this shit being shoved everywhere and still not really fucking working

>>731693315
those are both very good arguments against ai you just don't want to think too hard about them

I use ai to remind me how to code some things and fill in the gaps, then I update my script, check it, then thats about it. You shouldn't let it do everything for you because it'll end up making wrong assumptions and going in circles removing and rewriting the same thing over and over. It helps if you develop a plan for your code so you aren't just throwing in more spaghetti into the pile

>>731694814
>this would be a fair point if we weren't on year 3 of this shit being shoved everywhere and still not really fucking working
corporations forcing AI into random shit does not mean that it's not a massive productivity tool for coding
not using AI is like not using google. You're intentionally gimping yourself

>>731694774
My initial take was an example of my retarded manager not being able to change a pointer value.
You came here with your clown ass takes and your made-up arguments about my example because somehow you NEED to feel superior in an anonymous image board.
you are a nocoder, deep down you know that you will forever be one.
That's why you reply with such insistence to my every take, because you know I'm right.
I'll stop replying here, you entertained me enough.

>>731691637
Incompetent, yes. Evil, no. That is Disney adult morality.

>>731691637
I don't really get the whole thing, he says it like people would have AI write the code and then just let the game use it without any other steps

Why not just have the AI write the code, and have an actual established coder or team of coders look over it and make revisions to make sure its all good? What's the problem with that?

>>731695179
If you have an established team of coders why not let them write the fucking code instead of wasting time correcting chatgpt hallucinations

>>731694814
AI water use is negligible.
Stop falling for propaganda

>>731694886
AI is good for like maybe one function/method and very specialized.

Like you want to make a somewhat complex hashtable/treemap where you can only have 1 unique objects of each in more than in 20 nested unique objects for example.
It will produce that usually almost correctly, and you need to test it.
Which means you still need a somewhat clear understanding of the code its producing.

But if you ask it to make a class that is dependent on like 5 other classes with bazzillion func/methods its going to trip up, i noted.
Lots of no OP database code with SQL injection vulnerabilities for example like it never took security or bugs in account.

>>731692846
Short term flexible replacements for factory workers since creating fully automated factory lines are expensive and specific while these guys are general use. Businesses will increasingly use robots for customer facing grunt roles like reception desks and waiters. Long term every single home will have a robot for cleaning and doing chores. Finding uses for humanoid robots isn't hard if they have perfect locomotion and high levels of dexterity.

this is like the annoying 12 year old autistic kid who bragged about not using a calculator for math tests because of how smart he is
I don't blame notch though because he's a billionaire who codes as a hobby, and not someone who actually works for a living and needs to keep up with new technology and constantly be improving their efficiency to not become redundant in the worst job market since 2007 or whatever
it's stupid thing to say and I think he knows it's stupid and just wants attention and praise from idiots

>>731691637
>hey AI write some laws that would improve people's quality of life

>>731691637
yes but this is also the guy that ms had to spend millions rewriting most of his slop from scratch

>>731695179
Because if you are going to replace like lets say a 20 man project with AI.

You still need 15 developers to test or correct its code.

Sometimes my work hours are more testing/adjusting the code than i actually spent time writing the code, or even better hunting bugs.

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>>731692368
>what do you even mean by this?

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>>731691637
AI is, however, a suitable replacement for human translators/localizers at this juncture. No longer do we have to deal with censored, inaccurate slop. AI will deliver unto us the real message behind each thing written in any language we so desire.

>>731692698
>modern software you use
I don't use modern software, I haven't updated my programs in years

>>731692534
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtyxJSGM3x0

>>731694734
now, what makes you say that?

>>731695441
Well, he probably solves more novel programming tasks than you do so in that case what he is saying is true. The hard part is the fundamental logic which is always done in your own head or else you will spent 100x the time generating and then fixing immediate tech debt.

If your job is just implementing the same database, web shit you've done a billion times prior then AI is so essential it has probably already probably replaced you.

>>731691637
I know nothing about coding. But looking W11 to mess with every update knows. It seems to be true

>>731691637
He is a luddite. Any developer not using at least some AI is the equivalent of someone plowing a field with an ox when tractors exist. I will get so much more than you done, and it will be cleaner and more accurate.

>>731695704
>Well, he probably solves more novel programming tasks than you do
that's very possible, but it doesn't mean his experience represents the average person
even if you're doing something you could do with your eyes closed, AI can type faster. It's just arrogance to think otherwise.

>>731695615
AI hasn't meaningfully improved beyond what machine translation was already doing prior to it. The amount of useful data to train translation models remains scarce so the core mistakes are the same, they just get plastered over by more fluent sounding English.

I don't think most realise how good the coding bots got recently and how sci-fi that shit is about to get

>>731695813
>I will get so much more than you done, and it will be cleaner and more accurate.

lmao as if your unskilled ass could tell that.

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>>731695813
Last time he was bragging if you never wrote your own game engine you are not a programmer.
I wrote a simple 2D and 3D engine its hard but manageable but if have to write it all by myself a 3D engine on Unreal/Godot/Unity levels you need schizo Terry A. Davis super powers and 10 years just for the engine.

The guy is an idiot on a high castle.

>>731695813
you will get nothing of value done, you've never written a line of code in your life, larper.

>>731692671
Please dilate immediately

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>>731691637
>If you can't make a tractor all by yourself you are not a real farmer

>>731696005
it's funny because terry would unironically think you're retarded negroid spit that have no business being anywhere near a computer

>>731692616
Think before you type, anon.
Not using AI doesnt mean you magically forget how to code, anon.
Especially when AI coding basically, as I said and you failed to read, invites stagnation and pathetic UE5 tier coding for all. The people not using AI are the only ones who actually know how to program, they are the only ones who can fix your calculator or phone.

>>731695874
He does represent the average game dev programmer though and anyone who is programming essential or novel infrastructure. The job of a programmer is not to type, it's to think clearly. This is also true of other game industry professions like concept art which is why it's even more ridiculous when people post porn and then say AI will replace all artists when their job is also not to draw, it's to think. AI will save you marginal amounts of time at the expense of actually understanding what you are doing.

It's great for people who want to pretend they are doing lots of work.

>>731695950
I can. I've been using Claude at work for almost a year now. It takes less time to complete tasks, and bugs that previously would have made it to qa get caught early; often before I even push them. AI is the future of development. You're free to make hand crafted artisanal code, but if you will have to work a lot harder to make your deadlines.

Let me put it this way. You, presumably, used an IDE that could create template files off of tables in a database in the past, right? Or even something simple like adding getters or setters to variables in a file? What is the different between that targeted, auto-generated code and me saying "make me a function that takes in X as a parameter, does Y logic to it, and outputs Z"? In both cases a menial task is now done by a computer freeing up time for me to focus on higher level things. Remember, programmers can only write, on average, about 50 lines of code a day. That number is unchanging across languages. When you factor in time for debugging, etc. you get 50 a day. Anything that automates lines of code for you so that your 50 can really count is a time saver. It's the reason we made IDEs that could write code to begin with.

>>731696089
I'm 39 years old and have worked as a developer making enterprise software for 16 years.

>>731696160
>anyone who is programming essential or novel infrastructure
he's not talking about people who are coding novel infrastructure
there are situations where AI will probably be minimally helpful. But he's not saying that, he's saying using AI for ANY code at all is bad, and that's retarded

>>731696160
>AI will save you marginal amounts of time at the expense of actually understanding what you are doing
>compiled languages will save you marginal amounts of time over hand written assembly at the expense of actually understanding what you are doing

>>731693572
they will be replaced, probability is you will be replaced sooner

>>731693275
Found the indian

>>731691637
notch wishes he made project nortubel

>>731696342
It isn't retarded because he's assuming you have a real job where you solve real problems and aren't a copy pasting machine. If your job actually matters then yes it remains a bad idea to let a machine vomit out a bunch of shit you immediately have to refactor and will eventually have to rewrite, since it didn't understand the full constraints and context of the task.

You should already be able to type fast enough that the bottle neck is not typing speed, it remains your brain.

>>731691637
>AI retards completely delegate (large parts of) their coding to AI
>anti-AI retards completely avoid AI
The only non-retards are the ones that use AI the way it's meant to be: As a suggestion tool, filtered through (You).

The only gamedev related thing Notch wants to do is the mindless drudgery of making a custom engine. He doesn’t want anything to do with speeding up or skipping that because then he’ll actually have to work on the actual gameplay elements and that gives him anxiety since he might make an unfun game.

>>731696645
>when I say you can't use AI to write code I didn't mean THAT code, I mean the parts where you aren't doing copy paste repetitive templates because real coders never have to do that
sure, move the goalposts further

>>731696269
i have worked 14 years, but with games.
>enterprise
my condolences

>>731696425
And yet low level languages still exist after over 50 years at the bleeding edge of tech, in an industry that usually overhauls everything every decade or two.

>>731693813
Infiniminer?
In he's defence he worked on it with a bunch of people.
Until the creator and everyone else abandoned it.

But yes pretty sure he forked the base code for Minecraft.

>>731691637
>implying coding is as rigorous as logic
lmfao

>>731696829
coding IS logic
leave, retard

>>731696770
>I do a bullshit job and never use my brain therefore everybody should be using AI or they will be left behind

It's pretty natural to assume he's talking to people who do his job and jobs like what he does. How the fuck is he meant to know what a female web dev straight out of a 3month bootcamp is doing, he can't even imagine the levels of non work they are engaged in.

>>731696829
Programming is pretty much boolean algebra dude.

I work for a major fortune 500 company whose backend network structure services like 80% of the planet and literally everyone uses AI by instruction to code, then reviews it manually.
It's cheaper than outsourcing to india or SEA because they're just doing the same thing.
I can't speak for gaming but claude is basically everything people fearmongered, it's INSANELY useful as a tool. It will never replace people entirely, but you can cut a 3 man taskforce to 1.

>>731696802
>overhauls everything every decade
yeah, no that's not how it works. the industry is more than the "pretty" websites you browse and discord.

>>731696912
anyone who claims they use their brain 100% of the time at their job is lying
>his job
hobby

>>731691794
ebin

>>731696940
Tell me why high level programming languages haven't completely replaced low level ones. If abstraction was universally good and necessary nobody would be using these crusty 50 year old languages. If you are already working on a high level of abstraction then you're already replaceable by AI.

>>731695281
yeah if a retard mentions water that already tells you they have no fucking clue

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>>731691637
>a white bald incel chud is also a seething luddite
lmao, checks out.

>>731696980
People who do passion driven work generally don't engage in wheel spinning and pretend work. The distinction between hobby and real job is irrelevant when they earn a billion times more income and pay a billion times more tax than you.

>>731697114
think you're replying to the wrong anon, buddy.

>>731697189
again, you're talking about a very small fraction of programmers, while notch is talking about all coding in general

>>731696980
>work as a machinist
>zone out
>oops, crashed the lathe

>>731697114
They have now Java for embedded takes like 56% of the market share in like Korea, Japan, Germany.

Assembly and C only get mostly used where chip cache memory is very tight and or you need speed for a special reason like a medical machines like a heart monitor.

>>731697287
Your arguments all boil down to
>It's cheaper
>It's faster
>It's easier
>It justifies my bullshit job that I would lose otherwise
Never that it's better. It is also a universally bad idea to outsource shit to India yet corporations will do it too. The best solution is still to employ high iq individuals who move slow and deliberately.

>AIjeets are now shifting their shilling to include coders after artfags
>you'll now be called troons wearing programming socks for not bowing down to AI overlords and denouncing your luddite ways

>>731697514
Market does what it does.
How many times did people opt for fast and cheap solutions than for a work of art that will survive the test of time like a medieval cathedral or roman aqueduct/bridge.

>>731697514
cheaper, faster, and easier are more specific ways to say better. Being able to do something faster is a good thing. Being able to quickly generate generic code and have plenty of time to check it for mistakes is a good thing

>>731697684
Then you must also concede that outsourcing everything to India is another way of saying "better", even when the accumulated tech debt causes everything to collapse as is happening with windows.

>>731697806
I would say that outsourcing is bad in many situations, and probably good in some situations, just like AI is. Overall it's hard to compare the two, because one is a tool for coding that the developer uses, and one is a decision made by a corporation about who they're hiring. So they're not entirely comparable topics.

>Notch
Yeah fuck this retarded faggot, he couldn't even optimize Minecraft, he has no say in what 'devs' should do. AI is wonderful, not perfect, but tard-wrangle it enough and you get what you are looking for

>>731691637
Kinda yeah. I mean if it works it works, but if it's not solo project and someone will have to go through that code, then you are doing a disservice to your colleagues.

>>731696520
No they were not indian

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>>731691637
AI is fine at writing code, it is terrible at integrating it. Using AI to create code to put in a system (even if that system was already written by AI) is always going to fail because AI is terrible at understanding context, and it will hallucinate its own context that looks correct at first glance in ways that will take longer to debug than any manmade code (unless you are fixing code written by some self-taught hobbyist yandere simulator shit or something)or notches own code lmao I remember early minecraft modding.

It also doesn't help that AI is genuinely behind on how to program in several environments by several years and the advice or techniques it often gives is fundamentally wrong because of the training data it has been fed. Not to mention if whatever AI you use to develop your code updates/goes out of business and you suddenly have something that no longer is even fundamentally capable of integration.

Programmers that don't learn how to use AI are going to fall behind simply because when you use AI right you are going faster, but companies that try to replace their programmers with AI will lose business.

>>731692846
>Is there even a use case for those robots? All I ever see is in presentations and showcases.
hypnotising investors to think they're funding I,Robot and raising the share price of souless tech corps to fund 1000 more elite pedophile islands and/or creating 1:2:1 replica artifical children for american politicians to keep without having to source them from the wild

>>731692289
You'd think all the seethe around AI is for nothing then, why are you fags coping 24/7 if AI is le bad?

>>731691637
>notch
lol

>>731693096
>jeets
>AI gets blamed
Retarded nigger

>>731691637
He's right but most "functioning" code also doesn't follow logic and isn't logical. Just whatever the cheapest contractor could google and shit out.

>>731699710
Which addendum also usually doesn't matter because most code is boilerplate garbage.
I'm of the opinion that editing code is way more of a fucking chore than writing it to work to begin with and you do 90% of the work just figuring out the logic, so AI doesn't do anything for me, but in a group project you're going to be dealing with retard nonfunctional code endlessly anyway.

>>731692575
Because AI sucks balls at fixing a provided text

Im a retarded artist, why didn't I use ai to code my singleplayer game?

>>731700331
Its actually the other way around the lone coder should use AI for art.

>>731691637
>my skillset is becoming irrelevant extremely fast and will be completely eclipsed within a few years but heres my totally unbiased take on it

>>731691794
>C is literally the only language you'll ever need
what if I want to get a job actually?

>>731692372
Not to the point where companies buy imagined RAM.

I was pretty solid 'AI will never take my job' but I've started getting spooked by the latest batch of agents. theres still a architecture skill component but once you box them in with unit tests they're scarily good at getting shit done

>>731693542
>No one's job is safe
I cook