I'm tired of this argument by people that don't play games. If you say this you must experience these gamesNow:Planescape TormentPathologic 1 and other games by IcepicklodgeSanitariumMachinarium and other games by Amanita DesignOsamu Sato's games and his entire catalogue of art and musicThe Neverhood>Again but with the Adventure sphere primarily the win 3x eraZenoclash and games by ACE teamPostalS.T.A.L.K.E.R seriesetc...
Me on the right.
>>731740891Your right or my right?
Me on the left
>>731740930My right.
>it's art because I enjoy it every day with this shit
>>731740843
>>731740843imagine...
>>731740949So his left? >>731740942
video GAMES have objectives, rules, mechanicsArt has NONE of that
>>731740995The world didn't deserve him
>>731741154LOVING YOU
>>731741112>objectives, rules, mechanics>exclusive to video games>implying literature doesn't have objectives>implying music doesn't have rules>implying film doesn't have mechanicsYou were better off just calling games immature time wasting play things.
>>731740843God damn I hate leftistsStop trying to insert your dumb political ideologies into games
>>731740843*woman moaning*AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>731740843if video games are art then you don't need to give examples to prove it. saying a specific game is art just means it's still subjective whether you consider games art or not.the "game" part is probably what causes more debate. i don't think anyone would deny that story, graphics, music, etc. aren't "art" but you don't typically consider playing any other game to be "art". playing chess or basketball isn't art even if the ball or board is intricately designed.
>>731740843ICO and SotC
>>731740843Art is a meme. Art is a waste of time. Whether it be books, paintings, videogames, sculptures, films, music, architecture. All trash shat out by the insignificant human species, a spec of dust in the cosmos.So let me enjoy my videogames in peace.
>>731740843This dude was a 6 4" vampire gigachad with a snake between his legs and still managed to be omegacucked what's /v/incel cope about this?
Outer Wilds honestly fits the description of art better than most books.
>>731741393>>implying literature doesn't have objectives>>implying music doesn't have rules>>implying film doesn't have mechanicsThey don't go now of that nimrod
>>731741575>a spec of dust in the cosmosPrecisely why art is important. If you don't get it, that's fine. At least there can be pretty things to see before you die.
>>731741673>omegacuckedqrd?
>>731740843Some games are art, most are just products, like coca cola. Coca cola isnt art, it's a product.Deadlock is art
>>731740843>>731740995>>731741289>>731741412>>731741673why's this guy so meme'd? I've never heard any of his stuff but went to listen to it and it's just boring cheesy goth shit.
I KNOW YOU'RE FUCKING SOMEONE ELSE
>>731741791He was VERY based. So based nu-"goths" hate him.
>>731741791>cheesyit's cheesy on purpose. the name "peter steele" should give you a hint that things weren't supposed to be taken that seriously.>>731741921i've never heard of anyone hating him
>>731741759Dude is a serial involuntary cuckhold, every bitch he was with cucked him
>>731741575>18 yo nihilist
>>731741754Yes they do. Literature is used to convey a message. Music has rules to separate it from noise. The motion of pictures uses the mechanics of lights, camera and action to tell a story.
>>731740843Games in general are not art
>>731741393stupidest post I've read today, well done literature does not have objectives, it only requires that you read which is how the entire medium is conveyed. there is no objective to read it in a certain amount of time or any external pressure or goal besides absorbing the words itself, which is the only way it can even deliver its message. if any of that is an objective, then viewing a painting is somehow an objective music does not have rules, it only requires that you listen. that is not a rule film does not have mechanics, it only asks that you passively watchyou're confusing their essential structure with the process that goes into creating them, and thinking that because there are 'rules' to music theory or film structure, that they therefore present rules and mechanics that the viewer is restricted to, which is nonsensegames on the flipside do have objectives, rules and mechanics by their literal definition that the player can directly interact with. a game giving you a clear win condition is an objective, a game telling you that if an enemy touches you it results in death is a rule, and the mechanic is any way in which you interact with the game itself to navigate those objectives and rules "oops, I lost" - something nobody has ever said while reading a book, listening to music or watching a film
>>731741986Cheating isnt cucking, zoomzoom. There is a massive difference between cheating and cuckolding
>>731740843Of course video games are art, all games and by extension sports are art.The catch here, is have video games produced good art? It’s obviously a relatively young medium, but has it produced works that people will look back on decades from now with reverence yet?
>>731742089>music has rulesNo, music has conventions. This is an important distinction
>>731741791personally I prefer his Carnivore stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stjOxJuZfx4
>>731740843What is art?
>>731741791The earlier type o albums and carnivore was his best work, pete himself was an interesting character because he suffered from a lot of issues that most people find relatable including mental illness and depression. But the most notable thing was having sex with a lot of women while he was on tour which everyone takes out of context. Pete had a horrible love life and just wanted to find his significant other which turned out to be a grueling process for him since most women he dated long term ended up cheating on him. Happened so much so that it got him arrested and institutionalized. He also did a lot of drugs and alcohol to deal with his insecurities which would lead to his death in 2010. It just goes to show you no matter how good looking you are it won't stop women from being parasites and tearing your heart out.
>>731742193Any game that a midwit journo calls art is decisively not good art. Doom Eternal(which I don't even fucking like) is more parts art than some faggy walking sim where you hold E to choke your childhood dog to death as sad music plays
>>731740843>I'm tired of this argumentnot that tiredgames being or not being art is a fruitless conversation because1. we don't have definitions of art and game that we even agree on2. it's pointless. I don't enjoy games less if they're not "considered" art. or more if they are. unless there's a practical purpose, like getting a grant for the arts from the government or somethinggames are art, btw
>>731742113>oops, I lostI have said that when trying to read the waves
>>731741986and peter was cheating on his girlfriends too lmao i dunno what you're trying to convince anyone of here
>>731742132If you get cheated on you are a cuck. An involuntary cuck, but a cuckhold nonetheless.If you're gonna cope and bring up the "open relationship" and "consensual cuckholding" stuff you're also a cuck.
>>731742259Human expression considered of some quality by some party. >>731742193Quality in art is a sham
>>731740843>v-vidya are art...!>here, look at these shitty visual novelsMega Man X 1 is art. Resident Evil 3 is art. Super Mario 64 is art. "Art" does not mean "good narrative."
YOU WENT TO L'AMOURSATURDAY NIGHTRED NAILS, LIPSTICKDRESS TWO SIZES TO TIGHTHIS TONGUE DOWN YOUR THROATHAND UP YOUR SKIRTYEAAAAAH I'M MAAAAAAAN BUT IT STILL HURTS
>>731742259baby don't hurt me
>>731742267Lot of words to say you are trying to live vicariously through other men's dicks.
>>731740843I have a bit of nostalgia for Sanitarium.The Aztec and alien chapters really tarnish it though. Rest of the game is cool.
>>731742132we know, we just call all infidelity cucking to increase the stigma
>>731741575Wubbalubba dub dub! *BAAAARP*
>>731740843Every game you listed is shit.
>>731740843poor mans katatonia
>>731740843Planescape is exactly the kind of bad example of games as artWhat makes planescape art?>durr it has good writingSo it's merits as a video game are superceded by its merits as a choose your own adventure book....>durr the music and art is goodSo it's merits as a video game are superceded by its merits as an art book or CD.....A video game has to be art based on its gameplay and how the code the game was made with speaks to the player, not because the music and dialogue was sad or thoughtful
>>731742453>>731742515see >>731740965this is all these arguments ever boil down toconsider the fact that what you consider good and therefore art is transient, and the things that most people collectively now consider art is different to what was considered art 1000 years ago, and will be different to what is considered art 1000 years from now, ergo art will only ever mean 'I like this'
>>731740843>Peter Steele (right) aka a Vlad>chad fears VLADEven Vlad was cheated on and left heartbrokenYeah boys, take this as you will... these harpies will destroy no matter who you are.
>>731740843Is that Peter Steele? He is so sexy, I wish he was real.
>>731741867lol why do i recognize this lyricwrong musician though
>>731742410newfag nigger thinks every person in all of human history who was cheated on is a cuckold LOL
>>731741673>a snakeH...how big?
'art' is not an assessment of quality
>>731740843>MOOOOTHER
>>731740843>If you say this you must experience these gamesThis is not the solution, this is what people who say "video games aren't art" are trying to bait people into saying so they can form non-arguments against games that their opposition would call "art" and corroborate these amongst each other to create the illusion of an unwinnable argument. It's not actually about what constitutes "art" to people who state such rhetoric, it's just a demoralization campaign towards people who enjoy video games.The actual solution is much more simple, which is to point out that the statement is categorically wrong. It's like claiming a hamburger isn't food. Most hamburgers probably aren't aspiring to be a gourmet dish, or nutritionally beneficial parts of a meal, and there are certainly some places that make a bad burger, but they are absolutely all food. And just because you can get them at McDonald's doesn't undermine a gourmet chef who decides to add a higher quality one to his menu, or a place that decides to make one that's more nutritionally balanced with better ingredients. Those would also all be food, even if you personally think it's silly to try to make a burger into something like that and prefer the fast food joint type. Trying to argue that ANY of these aren't food would require an utterly absurd definition of "food" that nobody would stand by when pressed at a moment of truth.Such is the case with video games and art. Some aspire to be "higher" art than others, and some may be examples of bad art, but to argue they aren't art is categorically absurd.
>>731742113Thank you for now defining your terms after your breezy shitpost.>because there are 'rules' to music theory or film structure, that they therefore present rules and mechanics that the viewer is restricted to>Art has NONE of thatOkay so why can't art have these things?
>>731740843The man who was cucked to death.
I stopped caring when I realized what artfags consider high art
>its another "lel everything is art" argument
So for a game to be art it HAS to have good gameplay? Nigga you never played zork. The writing is the gameplay.I bet none of you fags even beat pathologic 1. The whole game is the vehicle for a message of human virtue and struggle, the charicature of the town is lifted from a book. Hell if you just made it a book no one would bat an eye but it wouldnt be the same game. Thats what pst did and it sucked.Visuals are art and I listed plenty of good examples.
>>731740843Art isn't real.
>>731743706Everything is art and everything is political.
>>731743706>everything is art, some is just good or bad, and what's good just so happens to be what I enjoy>nothing is art since everything is... le subjectiveI hate every single possible argument that could ever be made regarding art. I hate the word art itself. I simply do not care anymore
>>731743706trolling is a art fag
for me, its Unreala surreal walking sim disguised as an FPS
>>731742596Nigga you gay
Art is simply unnecessary. What is more unnecessary than video games?
>>731741791Because he looks like a gigantic gigachad with cool deep voiceType O itself was just ok imo
>>731740843Bloxorz is 100% art.
>>731744224kennys guitar is amazingbest powerslides of all timethey are like the bass drop in techno
>>731744052Me
>>731744448
>>731741986...incuck?
>>731745128The Incuck empire, located south of the Azcuck empire, famous for the ruins of Macuck Picchu
>>731741575Die alien.
wiggerslam > goth rock
>>731740843One fella at Rockstar North wrote this song to put in GTA3. It's a chill banger alsohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1qngXH5htU&list=RD_1qngXH5htU&start_radio=1
Don't post it.
>>731743108Not that big.He posed for Playgirl, I can't take him seriously.
>>731740843What is art in the first place?Is art making scribbles on a piece of paper? Is art just creating something that shard your vision of the world with others?Is art something that is meant to convey meaning and share important lessons or values onto the viewer?Or is it something that is meant to defy the convention of thought that defines an era?As far as Im aware art is mostly in the eyes of the viewer. Art as a medium is no difference that letters on a piece of paper, a message. But people have long stopped considering the mundane as art for its is universal.If a kid draws a stickman its only a doddle, but if a elefant does the same is art that transcends boundaries between species.To call creation not an art is act of foolishness, any an all creation is an art, whether its valuable or not is up to the consumer.
Retard, when people say that video games aren't art, they're referring to fine arts. And guess what, fine arts are just arbitrary categories that people invented based on human culture.Video games shouldn't be included in fine arts, I agree with that, they should be in their own category.
>>731740843The only time I genuinely seethe in life is when I see guys like this with such good hair genetic
JUST WHO DO YOU THINK YOU AREMEDICAL SCHOOLDON'T MAKE YOU GODNOW I DON'T CAREWHAT YOU'VE BEEN TAUGHTJUST GET ME OFFTHIS LIFE SUPPORT
>>731750091You’ll love to know I have hair like that at 39
Video games for this feel?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyjuZs7EQqI
>>731742113>music does not have rulesHAHAHAHAHAHASeriously though you should pick up an instrument and get into music theory, learning the underlying rules is infinitely interesting
>>731742113Not reading all that but Groundhog Day is a movie with a core mechanic. You lost the argument.
>>731740843>Make music for goth bpdemons so he can fuck goth bpdemons>Surprised when they ruin his life>>731744401Peter's bass had a great sound, too
>>731740891Are you Davis?
>>731740843I think Richard Wagner would've loved the idea of video games as a total work of art
>>731741575>Art is a meme. Art is a waste of time. Whether it be books, paintings, videogames, sculptures, films, music, architecture. All trash shat out by the insignificant huma-ACK!
>>731743952I also hate art arguments but I hate hearing the words >piece of media even more.
>>731740843Gimme that. Gimme that. Gimme that. Gimme that. Gimme that. Gimme that. Gimme that.
>>731750825nta but his point was from a consumptive point of view, that the circumstances in being a creator of something don't apply to being the consumer of that thing. Every single poster in this troll thread is correct because of the shapelessness of a word that needs to be defined for the original statement to work but narrowly defining it undermines its spirit. Ultimately it's just pissing in the wind.
>>731751738>Ultimately it's just pissing in the windThat's all any of us are doing here, talking to people online meets our social needs as much as eating dirt meets our nutrient needs. What a desolate pastime.
>>731741791this
>>731752271There is beauty in desolation and in loneliness.
>>731741791He was too good for this world. Was good looking but had bad friend influence who encouraged his vices. Also despite the looks he was a homebody and wanted a stable life but he couldn't do it and his luck with women was dogshit.Consider him proto-shitposter because of all the shit he pulled throughout his life. Type O Negative and Carnivore are essentially 4chan tier bands because they were contrarians and were loathed by elitists and normies. Carnivore had songs like Male Supremacy or songs that joked about nuclear war, and by end of Carnivore's existence in their final concert, the band sang Russian songs and put out commie ads, and nobody understood. TON doubled on it but with goth spice. Because of Der Untermench, a song about niggers, Peter and TON were label as nazi band as they pissed off antifa in Germany and Netherlands, which in return got bunch of concerts cancelled. The band also trolled everyone like how they posted Peter's tombstone and pretending he's dead.
>>731740843I'm an artist who makes art games and games aren't art, they are games. They are in fact better than art, 'art' is not some level of quality you have to hit, lots of art and almost all contemporary art is shit made by morons but it is art. When was the last time you sent 300 hours looking at one painting? Never, no one has ever done that.A 'game' has to have a win/loss condition even if that is just a failure to progress and that divides it forever from every other medium, you can fail to get a film but you can't fail to watch it if you just keep sitting there till the end. If the experience lets you move around or complete with no barrier to progress then it can be a work of art, but then it cannot be a game.The exception to this is where the game by its existence is a work of art, as in playing it is meaningless and has no effect on its purpose. The only game therefore I regard to be a true work of art is Super Columbine Massacre RPG, due to the subject matter being blamed on video games which was in turn blamed for a mass shooting. Even more so as Columbine as an event did massive damage to games being able to be expressive.
>>731751152Wagner basically anticipated video games but I'd like to think that he wouldn't be alone on that and that many artists, musicians and especially writers throughout history would've appreciated vidya as a medium
>>731740843Isn't this dude gay. Like, taking your pants off mid song and pissing on stage with a raging boner, level of gay? Or was that some other guy.
>>731756082No, you might be thinking of the Rammstein guy. Peter Steele did more wholesome things like using a picture of his asshole for an album cover.
>>731740843I've played all those games. Video games aren't art.
>>731741791type 0 negative is just a chick band that you can namedrop when youre trying to fuck a girl going through her gothphase(entirely curated by tiktok)>see: labubus>silent hill/resident evil(theyve never played any of them)>slasher films, and contemporary horrorlit that theyre too stupid to know how poorly written they areHave slept with 3 of them. Grow your hair long, be skinny and constantly talk about killing yourself in looney tune-esque ways and youll be able to as well
Temu Danzig made gay music for chicks and fags and he also posed for a gay magazine and drank himself to death because he was depressed lmao. KWAB.
>>731740843Video games are children toys thats why we get remakes and 9 out 10 prefer remake over original
>>731740843UNHOLY WATERSANGUINE ADDICTIONNO SILVER BULLETSONE LAST BLOOD BENEDICTIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON>>731742410Cucking means you know about the cheating and do nothing about it or actively encourage it. There is no such thing as involuntary cuckolding. It is a very intentional thing.>>731745367Kek.>>7317567941) ToN is a pretty solid metal band. The fact that goth chicks love them and will spread their legs if you namedrop them is just an extra albeit a very very cool one2) Most goth chicks today are pretty performative. Name drop Bauhaus, Peter Murphy, Type O Negative, Siouxie and the Banshees or even Depeche Mode and they'll give you that zoomerette SSRI stare. Being an aficionado of subcultures worked like 15 years ago at the latest. Zoomers don't have that context to really get that attached to bands from that era like that anymore or modern musical acts.
I actually like goth music and I never got laid. I'm too repulsive even for the mentally ill bpd whores
>>731757361 Don't say that anon, there's a mentally ill bpd whore with a twenty plus body count and a womb that could moonlight as a haunted graveyard waiting for you somewhere. You just gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
>>731740843I mean they can be. But they're more fun when they're not taken so seriously
>every time goth "music" comes up all discussion is just about losers trying to get laid with mentally ill disease ridden whoresKek what an irredeemably bad dogshit genre.
>>731757361Im a norwood 3 manlet and I still pull. The girls youre into dont care about that superficial shit anymore, they just want a guy they feel safe around and who her friends think is funny and has "interesting" hobbies like reading dostokeksky and going to small venues to listen to awful grindcore bands>>731757578also this
>>731740843It's because people don't know what art is, they don't have a working definition for it, so there's no point in arguing with subhumans who don't get it
>>731741791listen to the first Type O Negative album and you will understand
>>731758065Gay shit for fags
Gothic Metal is not Goth. Posers (especially foids) have done irreparable damage to subcultures.
>>731740843Oh hey it's that one gay magazine model.
>No "Hey Faggots, My name is John" references in the entire threadWhat happened to the place I lovingly hated?
>>731758782Hey Faggots,My name is Peter, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day arguing about stupid bullshit. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever written the greatest gothic metal album of all time? I mean, I guess it's fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to threads on /aco/.Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much 6'6. I was lead singer of Carnivore, and starter on my basketball team. What vidya do you play, other than "jack off to futanari sfm's by Nyl2"? I'm also 6'6, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just cheated on me; Shit was SO despairing).
>>731740843>you must experience these games>posts games with the most dogshit gameplay imaginable You insecure "muh games are le art" fags always have horrendous taste and hate games more than any nongamer artist does. You are the absolute worst ambassadors for the medium and only prove Ebert right.
>>731740843ThiefBloodSilent HillResident Evil
>>731741575ok rabbi
>>731740843>le old game.... GOODJust because something is old as shit doesn't make it better than everything else. You niggers would unironically claim some cave painting is better than the pinnacle of western art before the modernist movement, simply due to the fact that it's older.But videogames aren't art anyway, they're toys. There's nothing wrong with toys, and some toys can be better than other, but they're still toys.
>>731740843The arts are dead. I refuse to take your grandstanding about it seriously.
>>731740843RIP Pete. Still sad all these years later. I take a little solace in the fact that he got out before the world really went bad.
>>731740843I hate when 10/10 men have a 5/10 woman
I don't feeeeeeeeeeeeel anything... anything...
>>731760783Yeah. In a way, dying before shit really hit the fan is the gift he deserves. Not because he was a cunt, but honestly his life was so rough and a genuinely good soul like his deserves a bit of reprieve from this shitty world.
>>731740843>becomes a catholic>diesWhat does this mean?
