Does gatekeeping work at all?
>>731920669Yep
>>731920669Yes, but the content itself plays the biggest role in gatekeeping. If a company makes art that everyone would like, then attempting to gatekeep afterwards is just going to result in your fanbase being made up of multiple distinct tribes
>>731920669I persist in insisting that controlling access to something someone else made and decides how to distribute is a fool's errand. The modern internet allows for spaces filled with gatekeepers to simply be ignored and adjacent fan spaces that are more accepting to be created as an alternative. The comic about DnD is a great example of the cognitive dissonance of thinking anyone can control how anyone else plays a game that's famously decentralized and played in thousands of small groups with homebrew rules and such.
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>>731920669What changed
>>731920669It does until the first simp caves to a woman. You might as well find a new hobby at that point.
>>731920669Gatekeeping has literally never worked once when something reached the slightest bit of mainstream attention.
>>731920868Gatekeeping can also be extremely cringy in some cases. Blue Archive comes to mind, with western fanbase being extremely hostile to any fan works showing yuri, or anything other they don't agree with, and generally just being obnoxious asshats.Meanwhile yuri pairings and female protag were featured in official compilation works released in Japan. Hell, it's not obscure at all in Japan in general, BA has collabs with fucking train lines.The common response to this that I see is "well, we don't want Hoyo crowd for our game!"But like, come on bro. Hoyo players would not suddenly jump to BA because of some fan art. They'd see the gameplay and then turn 360 degrees and moonwalk away, the game gatekeeps itself.
As the comic you didn't even read before posting suggests, only when you have any power whatsoever to do so, and for a hobby as colossal as video games you have absolutely none.
>>731920669I want to have sex with White Katara!
>>731920868>furry is the tranny and not the pedoalmost got me with this bait
>>731920669No. In order to properly gatekeep you need a large, tightly-knit community with a vested interest in actively driving away undesirables from that community. If it's a game, those in charge of the game also need to be a part of that community, otherwise you will be the one driven out. Most people, even if they are invested in their activity, just don't care enough to keep the women and normalfags away, and are content to simply bail when the activity becomes too pozzed.
>>731920958>>731920669This Brazilian retard copied a namefag called "cap-tan". He stole both the art and humor form 4chan. Never trust a brazilian retard anything, they are incapable of producing value. You are welcome
>>731921336you sound brazilian yourself
>>731920669Nah, gaming has been in a downward spiral since gen 7, and the only people who disagree are either normies themselves, or casuals who are do complacent and just want to consoom, they don't care what changes come to the industry
>>731920868/thread>>731921120The whole gatekeeping from BA is funny, because they created the whole cunny thing and spread it to the entire internet, but they insist on saying that they are a niche gacha.
>>731920669Only if the creators/company are on board with the idea, fans alone can't gatekeep forever if a company wants its property to reach a wider audience.
>>731920868Me on the right. Both hat and shirt.
>>731921336I didn't found this "cap-tan"
>>731921336Brazilians are like a different species. Some kind of mimic predator that repeats what it hears from its victims so it can lure in more food. Those niggers even repeat pozzed talking points and seethe when you say slurs near them.
Only if the gates never open. Prior to that point, yes.
>>731920669Gatekeeping is noble but unrealistic. If a megacorp behind your hobby decided "branch out into modern audiences" - there would be fuck all you could do to stop it. You think any amount of oldschool warhammer fans could stop gays sweatshop from female custodes and necrons that are less evil than fucking Tau? Best you can do is gatekeep them out of your discussion spaces, like 4chan, but this isn't as big of a platform as some thing it is, and even then they'll just infiltrate from the backdoor - by applying to be tranny jannies.
>>731921540yeah good luck with that when your fans are the internet hate machine
>>731921673And that's a good thing, get filtered bitch you will never belong.
>4chan wasn't able to gatekeep it's community and culture>now normaltards and zoomniggers are discussing phonegames on /v/The ironing.
>>731921209Nice try but your "uno reverse" is fake.
Heaven has a gate but Hell is open to everyone.
>>731920669It only works if you're part of the creative process. Random nobodies on the internet who think they have an influence on culture for mass-produced consumer products (software that is easily reproducible to boot) are beyond retarded, there's no other way I can put it. Gatekeeping only works for circumstantial matters surrounding the game, shit that has often little to no influence on sales numbers (what actually interests suits and developers alike)
>>731921793Go to bed Hegseth.
>>731920669Yes you can but only if you can gain control of it. ie in TTRPGs, you focus around the 70s to 80s books and then just leave normal niggers to whatever corposlop is shat out in 2026. This requires some level of control though, since in gaming the online is often handeled by the company and once the game is shut down you are meant to shuffle to the NEW game.
To gatekeep a megacorp hobby just act as awful as possible to new players and fans. "I quit because of the community" is a commonly cited thing for a reason
>>731920669why would women gatekeep a hobby? usually gatekeeping is done to keep women out because their presence always draws drama and unwanted normies.
>>731920669A lot of people who talk about gatekeeping don't realize they are the ones that need to be and generally are gatekept. Like if you play rpgs you're already on the outside, that's not something that can be protected, games need to be protected from you.
>>731921837>gatekeeping shit thats easily searchable in the archivesohnonono
>>731920669yeah, blue archive is self-gatekeeping because of the lolislow level coding languages are self-gatekeeping because they're mildly more difficult to learn than pythonanything that requires the exertion of mental effort is normalfag repellent
>>731921997>poodickschizoDunno who that is.
>>731923931Unless the exertion of mental effort is the needlessly prolonged repetitive autistic kind, then it will only get worse 50000 times faster. Like Skyrim modding.
>>731920868>/pol/ meeting
>>731922768>gets bannedWow, that sure was effective.
Go to /mlp/ if you want to see what gatekeeping actually leads to long term
>>731924762>not infiltrating mod staffAre you even trying to gatekeep?
>>731920669yes
>>731921120>Game gatekeeps itselfIt's called being a bad game. Gachafags only care about the characters and art and absolutely nothing else. They will look at you strangely when you asked them if the gameplay is good. At most they will tell you the story is "good". You faggots are like the insufferable KPOP fags from /mu/, since like them, your discourse is only tangentially related to the boards you squat on.>Reminder that BA and KPOP both originated from Korea>>731924479>02-12-10.02.44.jpgWhat kind of dogshit filename is this?
>>731920669the trick is to not interact with other people who "like" what you likethen they can't ruin it with their nonsense
>>731924783They're not gatekeeping anyone. If anything, we're gatekeeping them IN with a containment board and bans on sight to anyone who escapes.It's great
>>731925079>the trick is to not interact with other peopleYou could just end there.
we gotta gatekeep gatekeeping
>>731925134Other way around, all of 4chan exists as a containment zone to prevent tourists from destroying /mlp/.
>>731921793>If a megacorp behind your hobby decided "branch out into modern audiences" - there would be fuck all you could do to stop ityou can gatekeep the company to insolvencywhat you enjoyed will die, but it was being killed anyway
>>731925205this was made by the same kind of person as all those Korean(?) humiliation ritual comics, wasn't it?
It wouldn't be so bad if we could actually create new cultural products and let things that go to shit actually die, instead of endlessly rehashing things boomers thought were cool from the 60s-80s or worshiping foreign cultural products that we can't ourselves create.
>>731925035it appears to maybe be a date, but I can't make sense of it. the only date format that works for filenames if you're sorting them alphabetically is yyyy-mm-dd
>>731922768>"ugh this community is deeply problematic and full of racists, fascists, pedos and trump supporters"
>>731925374no, the korean guy draws himself as a libtard cuck, this spic guy draws himself as a DBZ gigachad with a white big titty gf and a white friendseems like he just hates people that can't handle spice
>>731921124Pretty much correct, theres almost nothing you can do once the corporation that owns thing opens flood gates for money, look how Guilty Gear ended up or any fighting game series for that matter.
>>731924783>>731925134>/mlp/MLP still has plenty of horsefuckers and a wide array of takes about it so conversation isn't the most stagnant it could be. The prompts are insane but that's to be expected, it's not any different from some of the horny thread-starters we see here (albeit with more acceptable characters). MLP even has a recent gen to fawn over so they can continue the cycle. They also have tamers making slop for them./jp/ is an actual containment board. There is almost never any discussion. It's just posting the same stilted RP and pictures of touhou girls day after day with some generals with actual topics skulking around. There is no creative drive there, just eternal stagnation. It's a genuinely miserable place. Even with new games it's the same thing every day with very few actual discussions occurring. The autism keeps everyone out because there is nothing to engage with. They're not human anymore.
>>731925730>this spic guy draws himself as a DBZ gigachadi don't even think that's true. the character in the comic isn't a self insert. the comic itself is called ennui GO and I have no idea what it's actually about
>>731925403Good things are still good even if centuries have passed. Stuff made during the time of the ancient greeks or the 1800s are still rehashed to this day.
>>731925932if it isn't a self insert then that's even better, it's just a character instead of the author whining about being a cuck and the white man or whatever
>>731920868The problem is that the normie mind sees something edgy and controversial and is drawn towards it, yet socially they can't be seen actually enjoying a designated "problematic" work by their judgemental social media peers, yet rather then simply enjoy it in private as a guilty pleasure they must also constantly broadcast to the world what media they're consuming so they make posts or videos on why this media is so double plus ungood and how offended they are about it as a kind of form of religious guilt response.
>>731920669>Does gatekeeping work...?No, or else we wouldn't have losers worshipping gacha slop
>>731920669It's worked for hip-hop. Feminists have been trying for ages to worm their way in and shut down the sexualization of women in rap videos etc but they always get told to fuck off.
>that comfy feeling of seeing some franchise you only vaguely care about go to shit by the hand of its greedy creators and realizing you don't have to care anymoresometimes it's not so bad being a secondary.
>>731920669My current running theory is gatekeeping "works" but is unfair and filters out false negatives from time to time. Some would say this is the price to pay but considering the end result can be quite stifling to a product or game AND the system is flawed I don't know if I value it>if I cast too wide a net for marketing demograph I might let the undesirables in and give my product a bad rep>if I dumb it down too much so the normies feel less intimidated by my system, I may end up homogenizing and excessively gutting the edge the game had with demanding aptitude or promoting progression through improvementBut then>nobody's playing the game>my game/sequel didn't sell>this is where the franchise diesOr >this is where another big megacorp buys my property and defiles it exactly the way I was tempted to and refused.Does this sound like winning? Perhaps to the man content to having fond memories of a game that they don't have ownership, only consumeristic nostalgia over. A counterpoint to that could be respecting the artistic integrity of the original, fair enough on a case by case basis, but my point is what exactly are you filtering out and why? A subjective quality, is it that you deem it constructive for the longevity of the series/game or you particularly don't like that quality? Because what you want and the franchise wants are not one in the same.
>>731920958Change CAN be good. It isnt always but it can be, black hair girl is correct about that. But even if blonde girl was validated in fearing the change of a franchise she liked, what could she have done? What would both be justified and actually create good in the long term?
>>731920868Yo el segundo empezando de la derecha
The sort of gatekeeping we're talking about is more like vetting. And forbidding Affirmative Action/ESG/DEI bullshit.
>>731926828Hell Tacos starts offering the very mild tacos alongside what is normally sold to see if there is truly a base of support for it
>>731926692Entertain this for a moment, does one always need to be a primary in everything you do in life? Doesn't that sound like a massive commitment when your time is so valuable? Why not prioritize what to be adept and seasoned in and have comfort in some casual interests.
Question is, gatekeep from who? I like the Outlast Trials game and the fanbase is all insane women who are squirting horny for the hydrocephalic manbaby Italian guy.
>>731927070it really depends on what it is. the only time I've ever attempted to play league of legends, I got reported and banned because I wasn't any good at it. gatekeeping can be a good thing, because it can filter people who don't actually care that much about it. it just let me know the community is filled with faggots and not to waste my time with it.
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>>731927067If it weren't for the fact that they were being bought out by Megacorp and the changes the current owner does may not matter, I would agree this would be the best solution. Unlike videogames I'm not going to spend 60/70 dollars on hours and days worth of value (food compared to entertainment) and I can try one to see if I'd like it or not, so if the mild tacos greatly outsold the spicy it would be a tested and merited decision to make the mild tacos the headliner item. This doesn't mean the restaurant would automatically stop serving spicy, but they may cut the amount of spicy sauce they make, perhaps you along with the cult following who still enjoy the spicy may compete for spicy tacos if they run out of sauce easier. Again, in the age if digital gaming that isn't a paralelling problem. HOWEVER, the elephant in the room is simply that the buisness, once owned by a guy and then a Megacorp, are the ones making these desicions. We as customers can give feedback and even beseech the buisness explaining out needs as customers, but it's ultimately up to them to decide if they want to make a product for you or not. An example I love, Team Fortress 2. Amazing game, but Valve hasn't given a fuck for years about the number of retarded, redundant, artstyle ruining community cosmetics a select few get to submit and put in the game. This is often independent of player feedback, these creators' assets are chosen by Valve not because of workshop votes but because they have worked together before, essentially gatekeeping community submissions to this knit group of content creators hellbent on keeping the revenue stream to themselves, like a mob or a union.is it these creators' fault that bad cosmetics are being put in the game? Can audiances do something about? Both yes but only a little, because ultimately it's Valve that decided to let them do it. The owners of the game are the first and last stop of responsibility.
>>731927070not everything is worth being a primary of yes.I play 40k vidya and read wiki articles to figure out the basic lore, but I don't play the TTG, collect and paint overpriced minis or read the sanctioned fanfic novels. Some parts of the universe seem like they could be pretty interesting but most shit that gets adapted to games is generic SPRESS MUHRINS slop.
>>731927056Here in lies the rub though (maybe), when it comes to ESG DEI LMNOPQRS whatever, how can you be sure that creative decisions and the movements of real people are made under the banner of this movement? The only objective-sounding metric I can think of is ultimately vibes-based at the end of the day, which isn't entirely useless but it can be unfair in some cases.
>>731920669It does. If you want examples of the results of zero gatekeeping, just watch gdq.
>>731927205I like this post. Whiever remembers the "space buns" incident from Animal Crossing should be able to recognize it as Social Justice Warriors attempting to gatekeep recognition and values to their game's audiance despite being completely tertiary to the game and disconnected from any creative desicions. Is it only ok if we do it or does this make them based?
>>731920669Not really. Gatekeeping is almost always self-destructive. It's near impossible to actually control the hobby outright, and you lose your right to dominance by shutting people out. Even in terms of just keeping the group going with new blood: newbies that are on the path to becoming the kind of people the gatekeepers want usually end up being poached by other groups, because they're not being shut out while walking down that path.
>>731927760The actual reality is that Hell Tacos gets bought by private equity, the famous Hell Tacos it sells nosedive in quality alongside attempts to introduce mild tacos, and it closes in under five years while the people who own it move money around. This is how brands work now, they don't make products they're asset holding entities
How the fuck do you "gatekeep" a game? Walk me through the process here.
>>731927943>Newbies>WantedYou could have the most honest, interested, willing to learn and assimilate people show up and there would be a contingent of people who keep them out. In reality it isn't about the hobby, it's about the third space friend group they are making. They're not mad they want D&D with easier rules, they don't want people to upset their social interactions. The hobby is beside the point.
I have made several posts ITT about how I think gatekeeping buisnesses or franchises you have no power over to be a waste of time and regressive. That said, I struggle specifically to convince myself 4chan works the same way. Election tourists, or more accurately bots and troll farmers from Russia and China pretending to be and intentionally causing strife and disruption, bother me to this day. 4chan used to be bitter and jerkass partially as a defense mechanism to gatekeep, but I think that began to erode in the mid 2010s and allowed these falseflaggers to sink their heels into the site. Part of me wonders if we still told faggots to lurk more, mods still did public bans and with jannies actually did their jobs we'd be in a much better place. Oh wait, I just agknowladged how much of the responsibility fell on the mod team and not us users.
>>731928067It's simple, I call you a nigger or a tranny until you leave.If you don't leave, you're good enough.
>>731928391Who? Where? Leave what?
>>731928391Ok but when can we stop shouting NIGGER and actually have the fun discussion? Won't we be fucking over the vibe of the thread?
>>731920669No. Your only option is to become a fan of a divisive game like StarfieldShit, even CoD is gatekeeping itself nowadays.
>>731928479Once we have exorcised the nigger spirits by employing the nigger chant, the discussion starts.But you can also discuss while occasionally exorcising the niggers. Really, it's like freeform jazz, you play it by ear.
>>731920669only if normies cannot be interested in it to begin with
>>731928067You can’t gatekeep a game/franchise itself, you can only gatekeep your small niche of an online space. This was more common before Twitter, Reddit, etc. when people had their own specific fan-forums where the mods ran them like autistic dictators.
>>731921837>this guy stole some fag's gimmick!!!>literally who? why should i care>get filtered!!!
>>731928391Alright, so then I stay, and I get you banned for saying nigger and tranny a bunch, and now the hobby is mine and you're gatekept out. Huh, I guess it does work.
>>731920669Gatekeeping doesn't work. This is me gatekeeping 4chan. What does it accomplish? The NPCs just talk to each other. I suppose it's still a win because I can't even read their garbage by accident, but I don't think gatekeeping works unless you use an actual gate. What happened with 4chan is that new people show up and they talk to each other, so what does gatekeeping accomplish? Nothing.
>>731929121Give me back the 12 seconds I spent reading this. Holy shit.
>>731929447You won't get the 12 seconds, because your life is worthless. Reply after the hide and keep in mind the rest of the board is filtered. If I was bluffing, you wouldn't be replying to me. Go ahead and reply, poopskin.
>>731928847Ideally the admins also call you a nigger and a tranny, that's the most important part of the gatekeeping.
>>731929516>the hideThe fuck are you babbling about
>>731928391shame that doesn't work. mods will side with the people who NEED to be gatekept
>>731928654>this isn't an exorcism, it's a beating.
>>731928391That's your bar for entry?
>>731928391This doesn't work, it really is the content that has to do the gatekeeping otherwise fanbases will simply splinter off and discuss amongst themselves. It has to actively be hostile to people who are against the core premise of the work.
>>731928682doesn't really work. if some game gets popular because it has a huge fanbase of nerds, then normies will start to join, then female streamer will join as well to try to scam money out of those people. it's a common trajectory.
>>731929896Even that doesn't work. People like to say loli will do the job, but then people will just section that off from what they enjoy and then through feedback get the creators to shift away from that--and it doesn't matter how much loli it is either. It could be 100% loli but then outsiders like the music, so then the shift begins.Anything that's worth liking will inevitably have something that'll draw new people in in some way or another, and at that point, gatekeeping the hobby as a whole has failed.
>>731921673hes made up and it's actually another talentless retard seething someone else did "his idea" first. Typical among rightoids, they can't into art because 90% of their day is seething over what men of other tribes do
>>731930875jews aren't people
>>731931080not him but it's true, they're something better than people I think
>>731920958>Not posting the original
No, not now. SocMed has turned people into clout demons who will gladly destroy the gate just to get likes, influencers/content creators are always looking for a new grift to siphon money bringing their retarded audiences to something or you have troons who always seek validation barging into everything to flaggot it up. The other day on youtube I got shorts of "quirky" women doing WH content when not even 10 years ago these same women would look at you like walking garbage. You cannot gatekeep but you can shut the fuck up about things to delay it.
>>731931494women have a penchant for ruining everything and you're not allowed to tell them to fuck off either.
