Why did Axis remain loyal to his creator during Undertale Yellow? Was he forced to follow his programming, or was he chasing us for the love of the game?
why would axis have a stained glass window of chujin
>>732012334I don't think that Axis had the ability to make his own rules so he could not deviate from whatever Chujin programmed into him.
Axis made it pretty clear that he was stuck with his programming to some degree, but he was also shown to try and work around it in some cases which is interesting. this makes me wonder if it was "free will trying to work around limitations" or if it was a matter of the priorities in his programming being flawed and so he had to work around one protocol to follow another.
>>732012578Chujin, in his humility, made it himself. For his family to honor him by after his passing.
>>732012334Those two aren't mutually exclusive
Apparently cooking with kindness is going to be doing a live event at an anime convention in Ireland where people can play the demo.
>>732013884>live eventwoah what
I jobbed...
>>732013884Neat
>>732014127Like they setup a booth and let people play the game.
>>732014776yeah its just, unusual? I'm not mad its just not something I ever expected to see.
>>732014141t.
As the threads just opened, thought I'd make my presence known.I'm not taking new requests at the moment as I'm still working on the one's I picked from the one's sent my way from before.With that said, feel free to give me a shout if you want to ask me anything, or show me something like a fan work or draft of something you're working on!
>>732014838shu are winnered bloody benchod saar
>>732016326Where is this art from?
Martlet but she's Goumang
>>732017131now, I'm not personally a Starlet fella, but this is nice.
>>732017131not bad
>>732017338god they really were horny as FUCK in that game's dev team huh
>>732017338I just thought of this, maybe the metal parts of her legs are there to hold them together, and they explode because you broke the metal housing holding them together. So they're sort of like Jagi's helmet in Hokuto Ken.
>>732012334Axis is an extremely retarded robot that loves to kill human girls.
>>732018009
>>732017901there's probably also a stylistic element to it since their society was so advanced when things went to shit, and I think their augmented skin looks ugly if not covered up like those guards
>>732015364Not sure if you're aware of this or not, but an anon here drew a Momlet fanwork of your Martlet and Clover unbirthing drawings.With this image based on your Game Over gifs, where Flowey gives comical commentary on what happened. https://files.catbox.moe/ubfmkz.png
>>732012334reminder that ceroba is fat
eepy
>>732020009I need to read more kanaclover stuff so I can better understand how people personify her.
>>732019242so it's consensual unbirthing?
>>732017131The shape, the tasteful thickness of it...oh my God, she even has modesty pantiesDo birds have belly buttons though?
>>732020830>Do birds have belly buttons though?Hopefully, where else am I gonna put my tongue?
>>732020830>Do birds have belly buttons though?no, but they don't have breasts either yet Martlet does
>>732021175But what if bird monsters lay eggs AND secrete milk? Then they would have breasts and no belly button. Also you could argue that if they are covered by feathers, details like nipples, a belly button or genitals won't be visible in the first place.
>>732021539cutlet? more like cutelet!
>>732021539But why would a bird secrete milk?Let's face it, realism is the enemy of fun in this scenario. Let's just let the anthropomorphic bird monster have her boobs and belly button and all the other fun body parts and not question it too hard.
>>732020612from what I've seen most people just make kanako a regular girl with nothing too out of ordinaryexcept that one DRY take full of angst where kanako is a lesbian and maybe one where she is just susie but kitsune
>>732018238Ugly and evil robot.
>>732020830>>732021175>>732021679See the different between Martlet and a bird, is that Martlet isn't a bird.She's an anthro bird monster, so naturally she'd have bird traits and other traits that you wouldn't find on birds.
>>732021539Monster biology is based more on form than function. That's why Martlet's feathers also work as fingers despite that being biologically impossible.
>Listen, I HAD to murder all those kidsWhat the fuck was his plan here?
>>732021893Well yeah, so therefore there's no good reason for her not to have whatever body parts we want her to have, for whatever reasons we may want her to have them.
>>732020830As long as there's bird tummy, I'm happy
>>732021953>What the fuck was his plan here?Kids had it coming.
>>732021679>>732021913But coming up with biological reasons is fuuuuuun.Also it's not entirely unprecedented. Echidnas and the platypus are real-life animals that lay eggs and secrete milk. It's not far-fetched to say that monsters are capable of that.>but whyEgg-laying is less exhausting and stressful than live birth. It lets babies grow outside the mother's body until they're ready to hatch. However, unlike real-life birds, hatchlings rely on milk to grow and thrive, which is why female bird monsters have mammaries.>>732021973NTA but yeah. Don't be afraid to state a preference and explain it.
>>732022278>Don't be afraid to state a preference and explain it.Ah, you see, I want monsters to have certain body parts because I'm a pervert.Hope that clears things up.
>>732021810in DRY she does seem to have some traits, people seem to like putting her as outwardly forward but internally a bit reserved? I dont know if I'm wording that right, but she seems "spirited like her mother, but reserved in different ways"
>>732022661people like to give her a hidden angry side mostly due to ceroba
How would Kanako grow up with an absent father?
>>732020830>>732021175>>732021539>>732021679>>732021893>>732021973>>732022278All this talk about the difference between a bird and a monster bird like Martlet has made this image very relevant.https://files.catbox.moe/2x21kk.png
>>732022718Ceroba did have that temper, what about from Chujin? would she be smarter than the roba? when I write the two growing up together, not necesarily as sibling, I feel like cole/clover would be down to do whatever she wanted , I know he leads the way in the dark world, but I think he'd lead but go for wherever she was wanting if she was vocal about it that day.if they were real young it would be like her being the first to say what game they play
>>732019242>>732020759If this is based on the drawanons Martlet and Clover drawings, then this is undoubtedly consensual unbirthing.Flowey's just hating because he hates the fact Clover's found some happiness with Martlet.
>>732023358>Flowey's just hating because he hates the fact Clover's found some happiness with Martlet.NTA, but actually I think he's hating because he had to watch that happen in real time.I mean, the drawanon himself even made a few gifs where he says as much.
>>732023014I didn't like seeing thisI'm not going to do anything about it in particular, i just wanted to let you know was all
>>732023014She idolizes her father and goes into the sciences to be just like him, becoming an evil schizoid scientist herself in the process.
>>732023810>>732023171I prefer sig's interpretation where she is big into sports. she isn't dumb like ceroba but she does have an angry side, and we know she likes to build legos from UTY it is what I am basing DRY1 on
>>732023171Kanako is self centered and blind to the needs of others. To some she can come across as a catty stuck up bitch, but that mostly unintentional on her part. She does however hold grudges.
>>732023883I was replying to the anon who asked what Kanako would be like if she grew up after Chujin died.
>>732023883She seems to have an artistic side to her. Maybe lean into that, she's intelligent and driven like her father, but prefers to put that towards creative pursuits rather than scientific ones.
>>732024083that too, she will actually sit down and sketch stuff if you do the fishing minigame on day 2, and one of the enemies in chapter 2 is based on that>>732024009sorry I got confused with the conversations happening all at once
>>732023883I like it, but thinking about the dynamic between cole and her, I think she says what she wants to do, and cole probably does it even though he's the one leading, but I like the idea with how she follows you around no matter where you go in the dry chapter 1 ending, that if cole were to speak up and say he wanted to do something, she'd probably fold and go for it in an instant.and maybe a similar dynamic in their younger selves. kanako says she wants to draw and clover just joins in doodling even if he's bad at it, video games? sure clovers just happy to be there, maybe one day she's about to tell clover she wants to go to the park, but then clover speaks up for once about really being excited to go shoot guns with starlo, and she just clams up and goes along with that no hesitation.she's forward, until suddenly shes not.
>>732023358>>732023517Flowey seems to hate the he had to watch that in real time, while also hating the fact Clover found happiness with Martlet.As he said in the gif he can never win against Martlet, which is true statement made by him in neutral, in that Clover will always go to Martlet no matter what he does or says.
>>732024369Well, he could always just terminate the pregnancy, so to speak.
>>732024245Maybe she dreams of being a famous artist similar to how Chujin dreamed of being a scientist, but Chujin tries to push her into the sciences, projecting his own desires onto her and convincing himself that this is what she really wants. This unintentionally causes a conflict between them where she resents having him suppress her dreams in the name of his dreams for her, creating a conflict very similar to the one Chujin had with his own father, when he disapproved of him going to into science, and wanted him to be a carpenter. Could make for a good dark world character arc.It could even fit thematically with the nature of the dark world. The machines represent Chujin's dreams, while the toys and living drawings represent Kanako's dreams, and they're at war with each other because of this conflict between Chujin and Kanako.
>>732017097idk I just found it
>>732024732>creating a conflict very similar to the one Chujin had with his own father,however I think at the end of that arc, chujin is likely different from his father in that once he realizes it, he'd let her chase her dreams. Chujin sounds like he was innately kind, likely moreso than his father.
WHERE'S THE HUMAN, KANAKO
>>732012334Ceroba is perfect mom and wife materialhttps://files.catbox.moe/pxbolx.jpg
>>732023810Realistically speaking, she'd have behavioral problems because this is known to happen to kids without a parental figure.yjk she'd have daddy issues when she's older
>>732024824Of course, the central point of this arc is that Chujin is too self centered and sure of himself to see that he's wrong. He assumes Kanako wants to be a scientist, because she's a lot like him, and because he wanted to be a scientist at that age. He doesn't realize that he's just projecting his personal desires onto her and trying to live vicariously through her. Kanako respects Chujin too much to think this is what he's doing. So instead she just begrudgingly accepts, thinking that he knows what's best, even if she hates it.The climax of their shared arc would be Chujin realizing in horror that he's become the same as his father, and then trying to make things right. That's probably also when Toaster double crosses him. Up until then, Toaster had actually convinced Chujin to work with him willingly, by playing off his ego and insecurities, making Chujin feel like he's the one making all these decisions, when really its just toaster playing him.
>>732024691Flowey seems to traumatised to reset anytime soon lol.And knowing him he wait just to see if anything bad happened to Martlet during the pregnancy, or Clover.
>>732025175That's what I'm saying. She has daddy issues specifically the Norman Osborne kind.
>>732025158>https://files.catbox.moe/pxbolx.jpgPretty sure you could've just posted this, its not explicit enough for catbox
>>732025158You have the full image? The catbox link is something completely different.
What flavor of Kanapopsicle are you getting?
>>732025449I like that, and regardless of whether he thinks the dark world stuff was real or not afterwards, I think it would in the light world help him realize the same thing as in the dark world.
>>732025468>Flowey seems to traumatised to reset anytime soon lol.I don't even mean resetting, I feel like if Flowey's come to the conclusion that he can't get Clover's soul right away *and* that Clover's soul is somehow being modified such that he can't even use it at all later, he might just kill them and wait for the next human to come around.I mean, that'd fuck up things in the long run if Frisk is still the next human to fall, but he wouldn't really be able to factor that into his plans by this point.
>>732025573I'll take the AIDS-free one
>>732025597Yeah, maybe you could have a scene where he takes interest in Kanako's art after the dark world. And you would set it up with a scene before the dark world where Chujin brushes it off.Oh and here's a fun detail I just thought of. In the Ketsukane estate, the fridge has a bunch of academic achieve awards stuck to it with magnets, but underneath them you just barely see an old notebook page with some crayon drawings on it, it looks like it must be at least ten years old. If you check the fridge in a later chapter, the drawing is now on the front, accompanied by a few more.
In case anyone missed it, someone made a full spritesheet for DRY1 Dark World Sadie.
>>732025553the full image is vore
>>732026410Nevermind, then.
>>732024640update fucking WHENI was promised one chapter per month>>732024875
Impregnate Clover.
>>732025852>>732025468Nta, Flowey's to committed to the long game, He quite literally has all the time in the world.Not to mention he already knows that trying to take Clover's soul by force won't work, as Clover's prepared to fight him for eternity.He also knows Clover will always go to Martlet, regardless of what he say or does.Clover's soul is just to valuable, and he can't afford to lose it, because he needs it.Plus simply waiting for the next human isn't exactly a great plan, because anything could happen. Case in point Frisk dropped in, and took away his ability to save and load.
>>732026771Chujin is really trying to act threatening with that goofy ass paw on full display
>>732026958Kanako...
>>732026305>>732025597>>732025449those are good ideas but will require me to rewrite quite a bit of the stuff I already set, so I will think about it
>>732026964>Clover's soul is just to valuable, and he can't afford to lose it, because he needs it.Well yeah, normally, but what I'm saying is that I wouldn't put it past Flowey to just kill off Clover for good if the timeline's somehow reached a state where he not only can't get Clover's soul *now*, but also can't utilize Clover's soul in the future by virtue of them being converted into a monster, and I imagine that this whole unbirthing and species conversion process may have some effects on Clover's soul, since they wouldn't be entirely human anymore.Basically, I'm imagining that Flowey would be like "if I can't have this soul, no one can", specifically in this scenario.
>>732026958Martlet....https://files.catbox.moe/tlzjoi.jpg
>>732027128How will they have a kid if they're both girls? Monster magic?
Someone on Youtube has been making sprite animations set in a world where Clover lives with Martlet and Kanako is still alive.https://youtu.be/ATX1O6RqcvA
>>732027440Kanako would be male in this scenario, or a girl with extra equipment
>>732012334Would the fandom forgive Chujin if he looked like this?
>>732027147Understandable, im sure whatever you come up with will be enjoyable, but im enjoying this line of thought
>>732027440m!Kanako
>>732027440it's the universe where this is clover's mother in law >>732027839
>>732017901Her legs are genetically engineered but in the process of this, the skin is lost, so they're armored to protect the flesh underneath. This side-effect is why Jiequan is red.
>>732028390The original concept was for them to explode because of unstable genetic modification, same as Jiequan. There's unused game files of the flesh growing out of control before exploding.
>>732026305That's really damn good, and the fridge payoff is the kind of shit I live for
>>732027151The funny thing is if even with possibility of Clover's soul being altered in some way with the whole unbirthing species conversion process, Flowey could and would still be able to use Clove's soul, since he was able to use Monster souls in UT as well.Regardless of whether or not being reborn within Martlet has some effect on Clover's soul, it would still be something that would play a major part in Flowey's plans, and thus not something that Flowey would try to dispose of.If anything he'd probably be more eager to get it since a soul made up of monster and human traits, would undoubtedly be powerful.
>>732027839why is femjin fat?
>>732027147Something that still irks me is Chujin's behavior towards Cole. He seems almost too hostile, at least in private, towards someone who has been friends with his daughter(and also the adopted son of Martlet) for several years.>>732028390>>732028482>curse of exploding leg
>>732028593and you know the drawing would be something like a little brown stick figure holding hands with a two tall purple and orange stick figures.
>>732028610>Flowey could and would still be able to use Clove's soul, since he was able to use Monster souls in UT as well.I know that, but if Clover's soul was converted into a monster soul, even partially, that would likely make it way weaker than a standard human soul, and therefore not useful for Flowey's plans in the future.>a soul made up of monster and human traits, would undoubtedly be powerful.That's not certain. We know that a monster with a human soul is powerful, but we don't know much about the other way around, and we know nothing of how a soul with hybrid elements by itself would work. If I had to guess, a human soul being heavily modified to work with a normal monster body would likely be far weaker than a normal human soul is, since monster souls are themselves much weaker than human souls. A human soul modified like this might occupy some kind of middle ground, where it's much weaker than a normal human's soul, but stronger than a normal monster soul.Maybe it'd be equivalent to a boss monster's soul, but that still wouldn't be of any use to Flowey, not like it was before.
>>732028390>This side-effect is why Jiequan is red.I'm pretty sure that's not why he's red, I think he was already like that. I think the genetic modification is why he's so roided out and has all those weird holes in his body though.
>>732028787Finally, the stanky leg.
>>732028787>tags: thigh_expansion
>>732028293But that's lame.
>>732028787He probably was fine with it for a while but as the two have grown older he's realized that Cole is most likely to end up as Kanako's boyfriend, and while he likes Cole on the whole, the thought of that eventuality unsettles him.
>>732029363r63 au couples are based
>>732029563has anyone even draw a male kanako or roba?
>>732029728There's official male Kananko art
>>732028787Chujin may have hated the idea of Cole from the start. Doing everything short of ordering Martlet not to adopt a human child. Of course after she did adopt him, he had to choke back his prejudices, at least enough to hide them in public because of the reactions they got from other people. However, because of how much Chujin tends to obsess over things, it just continued to fester in the back of his mind until eventually it started to boil over like we see in DRY.
>>732029728blasphemy
>>732030629I have hopes that there's a route where his inner good wins over (assuming he shares that with his uty counterpart) and he comes to respect cole, but I expect it to get worse before it gets better.
>>732028742maleroba is a chef in this timeline, his cooking's so good that femjin simply cannot resist.
>>732030986Are you saying m!Roba is an architect?
>>732028787My first thought.
>>732031135Are you saying f!Roba isn't?
>>732031293f!Roba is a bean pole
Momlet milk https://files.catbox.moe/df4nb3.png
>>732028910Ahhh shit its perfect
>>732031293that looks more like a pregnant male Chujin
I know this is a similar sort of question (at least in tone) to the question I asked last time, but how common do you think various body-part related fetishes are throughout monster society?Like, how many monsters have paw or talon fetishes, or how many monsters have a fetish for egg laying or something like that, things that might be specific to certain kinds of monsters?
>>732030309there is a timeline where we got male Kanako, these threads probably wouldn't exist in that timeline
>>732033672Methinks thread topics have been too sexual as of late I am partly responsible, sorryOkay, I'll bite. There are a lot of factors that go into this. First, we should count only body parts that actually exist among monsters. Some might go for fictional scenarios but let's ignore that. Second factor is the sexual drive of monsters on average. UT is a G-rated game so we don't see much of that but let's assume more than zero. Third factor would be how much of that sexual drive is extended outside of the "norm" which is one's own species. Alphys and Undyne could be brought up but how much of that is fetishism? Most monsters we see are interested in only their own race. It is also dependent on cultural factors which might inhibit or spread that.With all that in mind we really don't know, but I'd wager around the same as modern human society in terms of fetishes that can plausibly be realized in real life.
>>732031293I'll show her a good architechting
>>732034591>Most monsters we see are interested in only their own race.which is weird because of how big is the population of the underground? is there an entire population of every single one of the different monster species we see? otherwise the dating pool of most monsters would be extremely limited if they only date within their own species, I can't imagine the Underground having that many whosuas for example
>>732034591>I am partly responsible, sorryWe have to be horny, without it we will not survive[insert relevant haydenpost here]
All this male 'nako talk made me think of her having a brother. What would he look like and what would be like? Based on the way Kanako dresses, she got the japanese aesthetic taste, so maybe the brother would adopt the cowboy look (and piss Chujin off to no end.)But most importantly, would our Nine Sols DNA cause us to draw them fucking?
>>732035257>would our Nine Sols DNA cause us to draw them fucking?We should draw them having a threesome with Clover instead, make sure Chujin hears how both of his children are addicted to human cock
>>732035257>would our Nine Sols DNA cause us to draw them fucking?You haven't even decided on this hypothetical brother's actual character traits and you've already gone straight to incest, good lord.Realistically, if there was, for whatever reason, a second Ketsukane child in UTY's story, I think any nsfw artists would likely be split between either having Kanako and Clover still be the resident fuck couple, or Clover and this brother character being the main pairing, depending on how this character's existence would affect the story.Well, now that the idea's been brought up, how long until this community invents yet another imaginary character to exist in the UTY continuity? God, this community is like if you turned that one Spider-Man 4 vs The Amazing Spider-Man 3 argument into an entire fanbase.
>>732035257Its been discussed here before, and I remember some redditor had a really overpowered Kanako's brother OC called Kyuubi. He had Gohan style rage super powers, and was also a hyper genius who made robots. The creator also shipped him with hag Martlet.>spoilerYou say that like people haven't been shipping Chasriel since 2015
>>732035257>>732035467>>732035543>>732035558that's just pic related
>>732035558>some redditor had a really overpowered Kanako's brother OC called KyuubiThat guy trooned out some months ago
>>732035257>spoiler
>>732029031I don't think Clover's soul will be converted into a monster soul. One part because human souls are just significantly stronger than monster souls and boss monster souls, so it's highly unlikely it will change into a monster soul. That and the only instance of a human soul adopting monster traits was when it was fused to a monster one, and in that case the soul was stated plainly on multiple accounts to be much stronger than an ordinary human soul. So in this case, it's highly likely that Clover's soul would end up inheriting monster traits, while he's being reborn within Martlet, without getting weaker. I'd imagine his soul would be like a human one fused with a monster one, except obviously it's not a human soul fused to a monster one.So while it wouldn't be as strong as a fused soul, it likely would be stronger than a normal human soul. You essentially have a soul that has the best of both worlds, and a soul like that would definitely be useful.
>>732035809really? Did he troon the OC too?
>>732035934yes
>Cole was not expecting to make many friends>the only human in a town of monsters>Martlet was a nice bird lady, but she's his adopted guardian>so when the hyperactive fox girl ran up and started talking, he had no clue they'd end up spending the whole day together>she talked fast but was just excited to see a new face>pretty sure she said her name was Kanako>most of what they did was just wandering around, all the while she pointed out places and people>ended the day with a hug and promise to see their other friends>cute_foxgirl_hug.yey>maybe things will turn out ok
>>732036448where's the post this comes from?
>>732036542on r*ddit, the post is called "She’s so pretty you guys"
>>732036448Damn, this makes me feel bad. You know this kid (and it has to be a kid, no adult is making OCs like Kyuubi) got groomed into this shit, probably by the Undertale community on r*ddit or shitcord.
>>732036530need more cole and kanako growing up stories
>>732012334I was looking back at the archive again for this old UTY /v/ meme. Did the yigarjpg guy on twitter make this? Lol
Do fan ports count enough to be discussed here?I wanted to talk about the fan port of Undertale for the PS3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHBjTNghIng I don't know how this was made and kind find any information of the supposed creator of it, a person called "Krisp", but people kept saying it was made by porting the PS4 to PS3. Makes me wonder if you could port Deltarune as well.There also a port of Undertale to the PSP, though that's a remake rather than a direct port, made in the gimped version of GM 8 for PSP. I think it only goes up to the MTT hotel, and its very incomplete. I can't even find the original upload anymore. I did find this one though, which is a separate project https://gamejolt.com/games/undertalepsp/1017162Then there's the port of Deltarune to the PS Vita, which seems to be very complete, and is a direct port of the PC version I thinkThere's ports of Undertale and Deltarune for the 3dsI know there's also that GBC port that's been posted here a few times.Does anyone know anything more about these or any other Undertale series or fangame ports?
>>732037745I don't know who that is
>>732037729Seconding this, may try a green when I have free time myself
>>732037797>people kept saying it was made by porting the PS4 to PS3. Makes me wonder if you could port Deltarune as well.The new system implemented in the lastest version of Gamemaker (game change or something) might not be compatible with older consoles like the PS3
>>732037797I donr see why not
>>732038541Yeah, but wouldn't that depend on how this is implemented. Like how is he getting the PS3 binaries to begin with?
Here's a small 5 room long port of Undertale to the Gameboy https://the-chronomaniac.itch.io/undertale-gameboy-demakeIts really barebones, but still neat. For some reason the video of it on youtube got taken down for TOS violations.
>>732039117>For some reason the video of it on youtube got taken down for TOS violations.sebastian on it again
>>732037745almost looks like shout
>>732035172It's poorly understood as is the capability of different species to procreate. It could be that there are way more we don't see, but even if you stretch that number it's impossible to reach the 10,000 threshold recommended to avoid inbreeding in a population. Maybe monster genetics are different? All we know is that families with kids are all the same race. Could be that it follows Old Earth Creationism logic where compatibility is between broader "kinds" rather than specific species.
Here's one of Deltarune's legend on the DS. Its only the cutscene, and I don't know if its part of a larger project, but there are screenshots of what loos like gameplay. Its made in something called DS Game Maker, which has no affiliation with the Game Maker Engine for PC and modern consoles.
>>732035257 (me)>>732035543Impulsively drew this in response. Behold the fruits of my ZERO (0) hours in Paint!!
>>732035543>that one Spider-Man 4 vs The Amazing Spider-Man 3 argumentQRD?
>>732037729
>>732039930that's from the lesbian angsty kanako DRY take tho
>>732039846I like the detail of the brother having the pepsi colors
>>732040107You could tell an interesting story about watching your childhood best friend falling into an angsty teenage depression, noticing the signs too late and being unable to pull her out of it. She's still your best friend and considers you her rock, but you still feel like you're failing to act like a friend and start noticing all the things that might have helped in hindsight before things got to their current pointAlso Integrity is in this take. Given how derivative everything seems to be of Deltarune plot-wise she's probably the game's Dess
>>732036965At least there's still Him.
>>732039925I once saw some people on twitter a few years back get into a fairly big argument over whether a third Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movie would've been better than a fourth Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movie. I don't remember any significant points made by either side, I just remember seeing a lot of people very vehemently defending and attacking two movies that literally do not exist in any capacity.That's kinda what the UTY community feels like to me sometimes, a whole lot of people arguing over things that aren't real, even as far as fiction goes.
>>732039326Maybe monster genetics works with pokemon rules, the child is always the species of the mother, hybrids don't exist, the other theory I had is that the child of two different monster races results not in just an hybrid, but an hybrid based on a currently existing monster "race", like the child of a snake + a bird results in a mesoamerican feathered snake, or a ghost + a fire elemental results in a will o wisp
>>732040617You need to accept that we exist in the IMAGINE paradigm. We don't debate what exists, but what could be. And if a strong enough case is made, the debate will make it exist.
>>732040446
>>732041080Wrong Him.
>>732041019Okay, but does that really mean we have to stoop so low as to start taking a page from the subreddit and make up characters like this?And as for what I was just talking about, I don't think people fighting to defend the honor of two literally non-existent movies is going to result in said fictional movies actually being made.Like, what the hell would a Spider-Man 4 or The Amazing Spider-Man 3 even be about?
>>732040431so what I'm getting from this is clover (sage?) and kanako killed integrity in an accident and promised not to tell anyone and pretend everything was fine?
>>732041137
>>732041080Would you date an overconfident jobber girl?
>>732041374does she love me?
>>732041184> but does that really mean we have to stoop so low as to start taking a page from the subreddit and make up characters like this?All characters start by being made up, this goes double for fan characters. All that matters is that you end up with a good character by the time you make something with them (if you do at all). Clover, Martlet, and Ceroba are just as much made up characters as the ones from Reddit, you just know about them and like them because they were executed properly. And I'm sure that even the worst Reddit OC can become a well rounded likable character with enough effort and skill.> I don't think people fighting to defend the honor of two literally non-existent movies is going to result in said fictional movies actually being made.No, but we aren't talking about blockbuster movies here either. Here, we talk about Undertale fangames. It is very possible, probable even, that discussion here can result in the creation of new fangames. >Like, what the hell would a Spider-Man 4 or The Amazing Spider-Man 3 even be about?I wasn't a part of those arguments, but I am almost certain that it was half of them were about.
>>732041374Abso-fucking-lutely. That is one of my favorite sexual fantasies, and I have multiple (furry) waifu OCs dedicated to it. I would especially love to bail her out of all the trouble she gets herself into.
>>732041809Damm, I didn't know fucking a jobber was a sexual fantasy
>>732041362
>>732041374>>732041978surge from sonic has a lot of fans around these boards
>>732042183What, that evil green sonic?
>>732042332yea
>>732042183NTA but you can't call me out like that
>>732042391NTA, but what in the goddamn fuck is that?Was I thinking of a different evil green sonic, what the hell is this deviantart reject?
>>732042442that's a new official character (comic only for now but comic characters have been making their way into the games)you're probably thinking of scourge from the archie comics instead
>>732042503Oh.Is Scourge still a thing, or is he gone now?
>>732042526scourge and all the archie OCs were retconned from existence due to the ken penders lawsuit
>>732042554Oh yeah, I knew about that, I just didn't know Scourge was one of the ones Penders' got to keep.I kinda liked Scourge, so that's a shame.
>>732042332No, that's Scourge, he's sonic's evil twin. Surge is that edgy green girl from Sonic with electric powers
>>732041978I mean it takes what guys like (cool fights and badass powers), combines with a classic narrative trope (the underdog), and an extremely common romantic fantasy (saving the helpless damsel in distress).
>>732042391But Noelle isn't a Christian
>>732042554Not all of them, a lot of them stuck around for many years after. They however did all die when the Sonic Archie comic died.
>>732042772They're both edgy. Look at those scars and that jacket. This is getting off-topic but Sonic characters outside the main cast really do suck, don't they? The "create a hedgehog" minigame in Sonic Dreams really was spot-on as parody.>>732042878She will be after I talk to about God and cure her of her lesbianism.
>>732042965>They're both edgy. Look at those scars and that jacket.Well, given that Scourge used to flat-out be called "Evil Sonic", I think his green look was an upgrade.But yeah, most designs outside the immediate core cast kinda suck, which is why it's weird that there are so damn many of them nowadays.
What happened to the anon making a Martlet VN? Last time I lurked these threads he was taking about he had chapter 1 done.
>>732043264how he had* Fuck.
>>732042965The Archie comic suffers from the Dragon Ball problem of starting as a gag comic, and eventually turning into a super hero comic. Surge was created as a gag villain, he was Sonic's evil twin from the mirror universe (an obvious Star Trek parody). He wore a leather jacket and sunglasses because he was a bad boy. Then later, when the comics became serious, they gave him a serious story arc about him destroying himself trying to outshine Sonic, and part of that was him getting his own super sonic form, one which lasted forever but was only half as powerful. So they took him, and turned him half yellow, making him green. Then at some point he got cut across the chest, and then he had a scar.For all its faults, they at least managed to make a compelling character from what they were forced to work with, and the design has a good reason for all of its silly edgy elements. Its not like something like Coldsteel, where the edgy design was invented first, and then a story was constructed around it.
>>732043301 Lmao don't sweat it, anon, we all typo like chimps sometimes. As for Martlet VN guy, I think he's still around? Pretty sure I saw him post a rough demo link like two threads ago. It had some jank, but the art was surprisingly decent and the music slapped. Might’ve just gone radio silent to crunch or because he realized waifu dev hell is real. Wouldn’t be the first project to vanish into the ether.
>>732043264I think he gave up and switched to writing a fic, then we stopped hearing from him.
>>732043131The female characters were usually pretty nice, but I guess that might just be my bias towards furry women showing.
>>732039846So what is Yuuki supposed to be wearing here?
>>732039846Did you just give the brother character Papyrus' Disbelief outfit?
>>732040107Why does Clover look a lot like the artist's human-sona?
>>732045345either just the art style (everyone is just a tall stick) or self insert, maybe both
>>732045345>>732045381>>732040107>>732040431I think the main issue I have with lesbian kanako in this AU is she dating an OC we don't know or care about, if it was sadie at least that is an UTY character that, admittedly, we barely know anything about, but at least has a fanon interpretation instead of a literal who
kanako: sage my FUCKING SHITASS cowthey childhood pal we need to go to FUCKING dark worlds to get BITCHING FUCK PUSSY micheal jackson outfits for my MOTHERFUCKING KICKASS linkin park mixtape coverimage_friend in the corner:
Here's a drunk thought. Ceroba teams up with the Snatcher from A Hat in Time whereby kids sign Snatcher's contracts for their souls and Ceroba just straight-up murders them.
>>732039846Ok, here's my take on Yuuki. He's like some kind of cowboy ninja
>>732046487I don't see the point in overthinking this sort of story here. These are made for an entirely different audience despite being about the same game.
>>732045345Considering all the angst involving him, Kanako being gay, and the Kanako - random dog - Clover love triangle, I think Clover might be his self insert.
>>732046487Now that I think about it, I don't think the artist has ever drawn sadie or gizmo, so I doubt any of them are in thisEven dina gets partnered with a new OC bird instead if just using the UTY cast>>732046797True but it's the only thing that updates semi-daily so it is technically new content to talk about
I just got this in my recommended feed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAh_-jCbNhA
>>732046776Oh shit nice
>>732047417I genuinely can't tell whether this is Kanako or Ceroba.
So what would Yuuki's personality be like? What role would he have in the story?
I'm not making a pitch black character ever again.Who am I kidding, I'll be doing yet another soon.
>>732047862It can't be that bad, anon.
>>732047965bright outlines just suck
>>732047989may i see it?
I hope you anons aren't going to let the thread die again. Especially not after that thousand post long argument you had over the week in /vrpg/
>>732048859I am not powerful enough to have heated essay debates over zenith martlet unbirth porn
Hey guys, it's me the Martlet Drawanon, back again to post arts!I got a lot of requests last time, much to my surprise. Some desired by more than one anon, and naturally I had to pick from the list of ideas sent my way.So without further ado here's the image requests made real.Martlet taking a shower in the Royal Guards shower courters, with other Royal Guards talking about Clover's disappearance. With them being completely unaware that Clover is within Martlet, and being turned into a monster.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/hwtgml.pngZenith Martlet taking a shower in the Royal Guards shower courters, with other Royal Guards talking about Clover's reported death, and his soul nowhere to found, while also speaking ill of Clover. With them being completely unaware that Clover's soul is within Zenith Martlet, and being turned into a monster, as she values his life, and doesn't see it as something to exploit.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/zi6i7d.pngWhat Clover looks like as bird monster if he was reborn within Martlet or Zenith Martlet.This was the most difficult request, but it was incredibly fun to do, as I had to literally create my own design from scratch on what I thought Clover would look like.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/8l1sfo.pngAnd that's all of them! As with all of my appearances, send me your requests, and I'll choose the most appealing one or ones!
>>732048859Sorry anon I gotta go to sleep, and there just is barely any content left to discuss>>732049115>bird clover with skinSo close anon, so closeOtherwise good work even if I am not into that sort of stuff, but I like the way you draw mart
I'll take some reqs again. I can't promise I'll do many (or any if my health doesn't permit it), but I'll try to do at least a couple.Feel free to submit multiple requests. I only draw what interests me and what I think I can draw. I don't draw every request, so multiple requests just means higher chances of something getting drawn.Leave your reqs throughout the night, and I'll get to them tomorrow.And sorry about not doing last week's, but some health issues got in the way.
>>732048142sure why notnow make a million fan designs trying to guess what this looks like
>>732049181Lol Bird Clover doesn't have skin, it's like Martlet's face, with that part of the body, and the chest be the lightest, while the rest of the body is dark.And thank you, happy to hear you like the way I draw Martlet.
>>732049292my guess is a bat creature with an anthro owo face. Anyways, I'd just give him a white or grey outline, probably the same color as those wing bones.
>>732049292Is that a bat monster for a fangame? Is it a boy or a girl?>>732049343I don't like the skin coloring, sorry anon.
>>732049343nta, but I just figured he was like a harpy
>>732049252oh, and feel free to repeat your reqs from last week if you still want them.
>>732049398>Is it a boy or a girl?I'll tell you Soon (TM)
>>732049115>while also speaking ill of Clover. Huh.Can't help but feel like some of that dialogue may have been inspired by last thread's discussion.
>>732012334>was thinking of making UTY thread>someone already beat me 12 hours ago>thread already has 200+ postsOh well, not like I have anything interesting to contribute And this thread is noticeably lower quality than usual threads too
>>732049771>Want to make a UTY thread>Thread already exists>Refuses to discuss in the threadWhy? Did you just want to make an op post and fuck off?
>>732049761I got of Zenith Martlet requests during and after the last thread, some with similar ideas, so I ended up combining a lot of them together.While also acknowledging some of the stuff that was talked about in the discussion thread.
>>732049398There's also this colouring that I did.https://files.catbox.moe/huummz.pngThere was a lot of back and forth, which I should colour, and if should go all one colour, and make it stand out a bit more like with Martlet.
>>732049854Not really, I would still post. It's just that it'd to be nice to be one to make the thread And you don't need to be a dick about it when asking
>>732049115These look awesome anon, you blew it out of the park again.For my request Zenith Martlet game over gif.
>>732049878Yeah, but it does feel a little weird to have that image effectively include a "gotcha!" from that argument.Still, good work.
>>732050000Anon, you literally showed up and said you were going to contribute nothing and called the thread low quality. If you don't want to receive rude replies, don't make rude posts.also, checked
>>732050041Lately outside of doing requests, I like to also incorporate some of the ideas been talked about.Makes the drawing feel more involved for me, and also helps with the creative process.
>>732050224And that is a pretty creative usage of these threads, it just felt kinda weird to open that image and feel like I'm back in that argument again.
>>732050076I meant to say I've been thinking of making a thread like that since the last one a few days ago, but eh, that doesn't matter. I can wait for the next one until I have something to show off
>>732049771>And this thread is noticeably lower quality than usual threads tooIt's really not any lower or higher quality than recent threads. In, fact I'd say it's better than some of the recent ones despite being slower. At least there isn't off-topic discussion or a long winded rant between two anons.
>>732021995She looks like she unbirths humans
>>732040107Lesbian KanaClover Weird Route...
>>732049252I would still like zenith martlet doing that Storm eagle pose, but Im not sure how to make that work with her wing arms. I'll try and think of something better when I wake up
>>732049115Impressive stuff. I don't personally like clover not becoming a human any more but I've come to be interested in what you do, those are pretty good monster clover designs even if it's not "my thing".
Nako pawsRoba pawsJin paws
>>732050964I appreciate that people like what I draw, and find interest in it to. That to me is the important thing. Cause it allows me to discuss things with people, and share ideas.Thank you for the compliments. Honestly drawing bird Clover based on Martlet or Zenith's genetic was quite the challenge.
>>732051000I don't actually think I've seen a good image of Chujin's paws before.
>>732049115Amazing work anon!More Martlet and Zenith are always appreciated.
>>732047204Absolutely incomprehensible>>732050584>or a long winded rant between two anons.I apologize once again for those matters, I will restrain myself next time and think instead of the foxes and the bird.
>>732051228As the anon you were arguing with (unless there was a different long winded argument I missed somehow), never apologize for getting into big arguments here, that kind of stuff is what keeps the threads alive.Without that kind of passion, these threads would've vanished well before even the first year had passed.
>>732051374What I find amazing is that that passionate discussion came about because of the Martlet Drawanons drawings.This anons art, and the ideas and topics brought about from his art, added a lot of life into these threads.I for one and very thankful for that, cause people have been inspired by them to write and draw, myself included.
>>732051374That is fair, though I still feel I dragged it out too long. drowning out the possibility of other discussions. I am glad to see some more fangame stuff having been mentioned in the last couple days, and am still wrapping my head at a live event for a playable demo of cooking with kindness or whatever. I hope that the thread is still alive in the morning to enjoy the end of the weekend with.witness more new art scrapped from the internet. I continue to be amazed in the best way that people still make art of this game, here and abroad.
>>732051460Well said, I agree.Also, these threads would be fucking boring without the occasional flame wars.
>>732049115I'm going to request interactions between bird Clover and Martlet/Zenith.Also amazing job on the bird Clover designs.
>>732051503>drowning out the possibility of other discussions.We were already past the bump limit by the time all that stuff started, it's not like we were literally preventing anyone else from talking, it's not like how once you hit the image limit no one can post images anymore, but with text.
>>732051460Preaching the truth. I couldn't have said it any better myself.Because of them these threads have become a lot more lively.And I'm now also incredibly interested in what they do, and hope to see more of it.
A part of me would like to write a different fan story for UTY (currently working on Zenith Martlet angst some of you might have seen either here or the vrpg thread) but another part of me worries that since it would heavily involve my own characters and the plot would be related to them, it might not get any good reception.
>>732049115Bird Clover link appears to not be working for me, or maybe it's just a temporary thing.Either way he's another link of the image, slightly edited.https://files.catbox.moe/568jzf.png
You know, I do actually have a question about all this unbirthing business.The only reason any of this is happening, as I understand it, is to hide Clover in plain sight from the rest of the underground by completely changing their appearance, which sounds all well and good on paper, but I think there's a problem with that idea.Namely, most monsters can't actually recognize a human by sight to begin with, and the working theory on why so many monsters attack you in game, in both UT and UTY, is because they're directly sensing your human soul, which seems to be something a lot of monsters can do.So, if this transformation isn't directly changing their soul, wouldn't it just be a moot point?Like, I'm sure most monsters would be confused as to why another monster seems to be giving off the same general feeling/vibes/ki/whatever as a human, but I don't think that would stop most determined monsters from taking a closer look anyway, or from putting two and two together and coming to the conclusion that there's some kind of connection between the cowboy hat wearing human who just slaughtered entire towns of monsters, and the monster who gives off the same energy as a human soul, and has a high LV and EXP, and is also wearing that human's clothes, and is hanging around the last known monster to have encountered that human.Like, monsters can be stupid, but they can make connections when they need to.
>>732049115Impressive stuff as always drawanon, and thank you for drawing all these high quality drawings.My request is Martlet or Zenith talking to Clover within the mind, while she's pregnant with him, after full absorbing his soul.I honestly just find the concept and idea interesting, how it works, and what Clover's experience as he's being reborn into a bird monster.
I love her.
>>732051970Write it anyways
I'm goin' to bed, don't let this thread sink.
>>732049115>send me your requestshumbly requesting something with the roba
>>732047472the face and haird looks more like Kanako's but the kimono looks like Ceroba's
>>732041362If the legends are true we already know what He looks like, but it still kinda sucks that we never got to see the goat.
>>732057914what?
>>732058142I think he's talking about how nobody actually got a picture of True Yogurt, only Pseudogurt
>>732058321Or in other words
>>732049115once more requesting Dark World Sadie
>>732058321his true form is too powerful
do not separate them
So I'm gonna assume that the dream between chapter 1 and 2 of DRY1 involves Cole and Kanako exploring an abandoned mineshaft and things going awry?
>>732060197(me)*dream/flashback
>>732060197I love that pic, Kanako just look so silly while Cole is just aurafarming.
>>732060197never noticed they don't have legs in this drawing
possessive obsessive kanako.
The dead serious philosophical debates about unbirthing that have been going for months by now are making me want to leave this community, as well as seriously reevaluate what I’m doing with my time and ability to read.
>>732049957This one looks better
>>732062890I ain't fuckin leaving, I've seen worse here and in other places. It's still annoying.
>>732062890Maybe you people don't actually have any material to talk about and should force your autism to look elsewhere for a change?
>>732063073The scat green texts and surprise catbox fetish art is “worse” but that’s supposed to be shocking on purpose, but Anons over here are acting like a bunch of a aristocrats discussing the ongoing of the kingdom, and it’s a fictional bird woman swallowing people with her vagina. Not exactly enlightening discussion
>>732062890>The dead serious philosophical debates about unbirthing that have been going for months by nowthey have talked about this for a week only, don't exagerate
>>732052991Most monsters can definitely tell Clover is a human. Either through through their appearance, or it immediately becomes obvious after one encounter, because of how their magic directly affects humans, i.e it hurts them, at which point everyone's going to know.If even monster kid can tell that Frisk is a human without even having to fight them by their appearance, it's pretty safe to say many others monsters will be able to do the same.Upon being reborn as a bird monster by Martlet or Zenith Martlet, it is accepted that Clover's soul would be altered in some way, as having as completely different appearance, which can be explained away.If go by what we already know about humans and souls, then Clover would only give of a strange aura with a high enough LV. But since being reborn would reset that, he wouldn't be giving of that vibe.As for monsters recognizing Clover after vengeance, most monsters fled/were evacuated and never encountered him, and if they did they were killed, with Martlet being the exception.Clothing would be a complete non issue, since we have a town that closely follows western human culture. Not to mention Clover could just change his cloths into something else.All things considered once he's reborn, it would be pretty difficult to identify him, not to mention him suddenly disappearing without a trace would have monsters assume he disappeared like Integrity, which Starlo even points out in pacifist.If Martlet wanted Clover to live in the Underground safely, in either form or scenario, then unbirthing him and turning him into a monster would be the most effective solution.
>>732049115>>732049957I really like this colourization of bird Clover here as well as the first one. Both are good in my eyes.
>>732063271Those greentext were the worst. and I really mean the worst.These discussions are actually genuine discussions, and their more about the ideas spawned from the images themselves, as well as the image in question.I don't know about you, but I'm completely fine with that. If people find interest in it, I say power to them.>>732062890>The dead serious philosophical debates about unbirthing that have been going for monthsThat's a huge exaggeration and you know it, the talks and discussions started a week ago at the latest. Which also just so happens to be when the threads got life again.
>>732051970Write the story regardless anon. It's your story at the end of the day.If things don't work out, simply use it as a learning experience.But write it anyway.
>>732051545Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that.These threads need more stuff like this, it generates more interest and interactions.
>>732064442>Hey so this obnoxious repulsive thing that's filling up the thread that people are getting annoyed by>Well it's actually saving the thread!>>732064976>You said it, it sure is saving the threads!Not this crap again
>>732049115Cole reacting to the difference bra sizes between Martlet and Zenith Martlet.
>>732054519>>732064821Thanks anons, I'll try my best. But first thign's first, Zartlet needs to get her happy ending.
>>732064442he is exaggerating, but you're underselling it. Its been a few weeks, and the discussion is at the end of the day, about a fetish that most anons don't share in, and is tangentially related to the topic at best. And while the vrpg thread discussion was past bump limit, going for 500+ posts of discussion while burying everything else, is gonna irritate some people.>>732065234I don't think its samefagging, just the good old autism
>>732065234Say what you want about the subject matter, but the anon isn't wrong.A thread reached more than 1500 posts in activity, because of the topic of interest.I couldn't care less about the topics, but you can't deny the affect it's having.
>>732065734What effect? Two, three at most, anons having an autism-fueled discussion over a fetish is not actually affecting anything, unless you really want to delude yourself into believing that every single anon that frequents the threads is actually involved and totally onboard with this.
>>732065734A. It's effect you esl cockassB. Pumping 1500 gallons of bloody aids piss into a swimming pool doesn't deserve the same credit for filling it up with waterC. "Saving" the threads from what you fucking retard? Actually talking about the fan games people give a shit about and are being worked on like Oldentale, Wildfire, or the DRYs?
>>732065526>the discussion is at the end of the day, about a fetish that most anons don't share in, and is tangentially related to the topic at bestThat's not really true though. Even if the images started the conversation, it branched of into several completely different discussions, which many people clearly had interest in.Of course other discussions are going to get drowned out when there's a clear topic of interest for the majority, which is by no means a bad thing.At the end of the day people are free to talk about what interests them, regardless of where the topic of interest originated from.
>>732066357>clear topic of interest for the majorityThat is a vast overestimation.
>>732066238>Pumping 1500 gallons of bloody aids piss into a swimming pool doesn't deserve the same credit for filling it up with waterThose posts evolved from talking about the fetish to talking about the concept of justice and the limits of redemption, it was very in topic for Undertale Yellow
Cerobians
Compassion
>>732066642Nta, as one of the anons that was part of that thread, not the one's who had the back forth for a good portion of the thread, I did have a deep interest in the topics that spawned from the discussion, and spoke about some of my ideas there.And others were also having their own separate discussions, that were feeding of each other, which lead to more questions and explanations.As the thread continued more people joined in the discussion, so it wouldn't be inaccurate to say the majority were interested.
>>732049115I'm happy with whatever you draw featuring Martlet or Zenith. I very much like your take on them.
>>732049115Thought I'd miss chance.How about Cole from DRY asking Martlet for a hug, then asking for one from her Zenith form.
groomer clover
>>732051503on the subject of the Cooking With Kindness, I've had this idea for a while of leaving a bunch of copies of Oldentale's demo on CD at some kind of convention whenever its finished. Not sit at a booth or anything, just drop a bunch of CDs in jewel cases with cover art somewhere with a sign that says "take me"
>>732051970I like new characters, as long as they're good
>>732067729red and yellow was a huge mistake
Clover, but he was judge dread.
>>732067690Could you do a sequel to that wholesome scene of DRY Martlet/Zenith bathing with Cole, but this time he's used to it.The scene in questionhttps://files.catbox.moe/le8ckp.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/dlyvn5.png
>>732058321Maybe we'll have to reconstruct him like an archaeologist having to extrapolate an animal from the fossils of its ancestors and its closest modern relatives.
>>732060197What if its about his life before coming to DRYtown?
>>732062890Just don't read the posts then. I skipped 90% of that discussion.
>>732068252Even if they are non UT oc's but still anthro people? That's partially one of the reasons why I'm so afraid to write this out because of their origin and how they would connect to the existing world.
>>732068532Considering the voice chirp is Kanako's, I doubt that.
>>732068263That's based on a fanfic that predated that game, and it isn't even supposed to be Clover, just a yellow soul human
>>732049115Sig's art is way better than yours. Just saying. You'll never be able to inspire others to draw and write as well as he does through his artworks.
>>732068762ok, but why is a justice soul doing that? how do you justify that?
>>732068294
>>732069006Nigger
>>732069006That's kinda uncalled forThat anon's art is still good in its own way, that martlet tummy looks pretty good
>>732068651What it is like some crossover story? If its not and you just mean they're just OCs you want to put in the story, you can just make them monsters. I've turned a few of my general anthro OCs into monsters for the sake of my own Undertale writing before.
>>732068701The chirp at the end is Kanako's because she's the one waking him up from the dream.
>>732069006Dude fuck of with that weak shit.Their art is good.
>>732069006>This faggot can't handle a few fetish drawingspoint and laugh
>>732069297Something along those lines, yeah. The gist is that those two are hunting down a demon that escaped and it so happens to have ended up in that world.
>>732069094I don't know. I didn't read the fichttps archiveofourown org/works/45013399
>>732069006>says their work isn't goodThat long of requests says otherwise dumbass
>>732069535damn bro
>>732070294most vanilla UT/DR fic written by a woman
>>732067729He's not a groomer he's a straight up rapist and probably a child murderer too.
>>732070684I still don't see why someone like that has a justice soul, is he Judge Holden or something?
You think Martlet has a nest?
>>732070824she has one on her couch (which is unseen in game due to you never being able to enter her house)
>>732070748Might Makes Right is a just and how it ought to be.
>>732069006Completely uncalled for and unwarranted.
>>732070480Women really like this type of fanfic httpsarchiveofourownorg/works/5752618
>>732071034>Words: 154,787What the fuck
>>732071320The Kris one had over 200K words.
>>732070294>the kris deltarune conversion therapy fixsomehow that scares me more than any other tag in that godforsaken list
>>732071543Why?
>>732069006The fuck is wrong with you?Why would you say something like that?
>>732071813either salty about the fetish art or baiting
>>732069006>Gets salty about art people requested that was drawn well. Then disrespects artist.Hope your proud of yourself.
at least this take's notRalsei looks cool
>>732069357Did you play DRY1?
>>732072616Eram?
>>732073593seeing how much derivative this take is, maybeeven has the same colors
>>732073536yes
>>732073729That DRY take appears to be a direct prequel to DR. So RAM's involvement of the story is probably to explain why he's an evil schizo in DR, Clover has the soul conflict because he was the immediate prior victim of the same phenomena as Kris, FRIEND is there because this is a direct prequel.
nice
Deltarune Blue take where the Integrity soul acts the opposite of Kris (she's devoted to the Angel and thus worships you)
>>732074148Does she call you massah?
Outside of the Martlet Drawanon and other artists here working on something?Or any writers working on any fics?
>>732073980creator said that it is an AU but its so derivative that many people think its a prequel, which is a fools errand anyway since we dont know what FRIEND's deal is yet>>732074148maybe if one of the blue fangames ever get finished
>>732066238>>732066130the autism on display is impressive considering the topic of the posts didn't even actually discuss the fetish at all, and was only inspired by the scenario the art took place in. The vast majority of the discussion was centered around discussing what the different characters views on justice were and didn't actually discuss the fetish, and it only started last week, but somehow it's spawned a new breed of autism where despite THIS THREAD not being centered around the fetish, somehow its been the death of these threads to people like you. you can look back in THIS THREAD and see all sorts of discussion that is not only on topic, but not even related to martlet at all. Someone saying that the discussion has been going on for months makes me think that you're just a redditor who's bothered by that art and can't bring yourself to just not click on it.it makes me wonder what IS a good topic of conversation to someone like you
>>732074354>creator said that it is an AUReally? Nevermind then, this guy is just a hack.
>>732074328I'm still taking reqs for pixel art
>>732068145would be an interesting phenomenon. Oldentale probably hasn't been spread to awareness much outside of here so it would be a genuine "what the fuck there's more?" moment for some people
>>732074050nice what?
>>732074328I'm working on fic inspired by drawanons Martlet and Clover drawings.I've come to like the concept of having of human soul residing within a monster, and getting reborn within them.I'm also interested in delving into the relationship between Clover and Zenith Martlet.
>>732074354I've got to say, the artists writing may just ooze "crawling in my skin", but stylistic art like this really is their strong point.
>>732074328I draw sometimes when I'm in the mood. Got shit on for drawing Ceroba too western furry because that's what I draw.
>>732074640someone made a tag on e6 for Oldentale
>>732074328I'm working on a ZenMartlet story where she ends up in the pacifist timeline. Art wise, completely unrelated to UT stuff.
>>732073858I'm talking about the dream that happens between chapter 1 and 2.
>>732074798I could definitely use some "I kneel" related art of some yellow characters, but on that note, I kneel.
>>732074798>Demo's not even out and we're already pre-gaming on the porn
>>732074518here is the quote>>732074758the artist did make some angst kanako pics so yes>>732074798I think they will only allow when there is a proper page/demo set up
>>732074859Oh, that one. I forgot about that.
>>732070294>misgenderingarson, murder and jaywalking
>>732074758
>>732074640I really want to channel that "Huh, what the hell is this?" reaction I got when discovering Deltarune while browsing youtube at 12 AM in 2018.
>>732069006Funnily enough, Sig himself drew art based on that draw anons scenario. I'm pretty sure sig was here pretty early on in these threads, but I'm not sure myself. He's probably seen far worse than what we come up with now considering some of the greens that exist from the first year.the point being you are swine and people who take a shot at drawing are infinitely more powerful than you.
>>732074878closest I have is this
>>732074918>I think they will only allow when there is a proper page/demo set upI just checked, he's not kidding, there already is one.
>>732075104>>732074918I know about the linkin park kanako. I'm saying that the artist seems to shine the most when they lean on this funky kind of style in their art. Their DRY take I imagine may have caught many peoples eyes originally with stuff like this.its still a cute nako design.
>>732074918>its swapshit
>>732075208Unrelated to that faggot bringing up Sig just to bring down a fellow artist, I'm still proud of that birb family request I made.
>>732074789>complains about western furries>in a thread about a western furry gamethat guy sounds like a faggot. Post the art.
>>732075208interesting how that pic has 3 different things inspired by anons in these threads
>>732074789>Got shit on for drawing Ceroba too western furry because that's what I draw.show us
>>732074590nondescript human male holding hands with a character of your choice
>>732074224If you want her to call you that she'll do it.
>>732026410post it
>>732069006>Sig has drawn art inspired by the Martlet drawanons drawins.>Other anons have recently started to write fics based on the Martlet drawanons drawings.>There's been recent fanwork of the their Martlet Game Over gif with Flowey drawn by a new drawanon.You're just asshole using Sig to put down this drawanon, who deserves all the praise they've gotten for the stuff they've drawn.
>>732076112I didn't save it, I hate vore. I just remember it from the time I got it in catbox roullette
>>732069006remarkably successful baitI assume it's bait
>>732075191That's a good thought, and discovering even deltarune like that is pretty appropriate, fitting a more older internet feeling if that makes sense. Just stumbling upon something and getting caught up in it.
>>732074148could make for an interesting plot.>integrity worships the angel, trusts the player, and truly wants to see the prophecy have a happy conclusion.>for most of the game it actually seems like everything's just right>final chapter>you and her are hit with "so anyways integrity is not a hero of legend, none of the lightners are">everything pretty much stops there.>there is no final fight, no climax, no nothin'. you dont even get a real conclusion.>if you restart after seeing the credits, integrity will be notably less enthused and it'll be possible to perform genocide.
>>732075410Everything is, everything that isn’t canon undertale or deltarune is headcanon and fanfics layered on top of each other like a lasagna of tumblr autism. Oh wait, it is actually tumblr autism, nevermind.
>>732074505nta but answer this question: what exactly did these threads need saving from? Three weeks ago there was major discussion regarding a prospective dark world in Sadie's house. The dedicated thread last week was slow and fell off the catalog, but I attribute that to there being effectively two threads back to back. Some threads are going to be slow, that doesn't mean they need saving.
>>732074970could be wrong, but it seems like a new addition
>>732076643My idea was for her worship to be a mask to lure you into a false sense of security. In the end, she'd try to take your power to fuse both the light and dark world without causing the Roaring. Also this AU would be set Post DR Weird Route.
>>732077158I don't think the threads need "saving" and didn't say anything like that in my post. I'm replying however to people that are acting like its the death of the threads or a great detractor, however they put it. it's just been a hot topic for one week, spawning conversation that hasn't even centered around the fetish itself. The threads are alive, filled with on topic discussion with some offtopic discussion that was inspired BY the on topic discussion. I'm of the opinion that thread energy comes in waves so to speak, and people doom posting because an artist they didn't like got some attention is absolute autism. Especially when that isn't even the primary topic of the thread they are crying in. The threads don't need "saving" but there's been some good energy lately with some people trying to draw or write, dev anons confirming that they are still working on their stuff, and a couple of people possibly wanting to join the ranks of the devanons.
>>732077951>trying to usurp (You)not going to end well for her
>>732077158>>732077972and on that topic, it's just like the sadie house conversation in that an idea sparked interest and creativity. Some people were disgusted by the sadie house idea, and t he discussion was kicked off by mentions of a fetish, but the majority of the actual discussion didn't center around the fetish, focusing on things like how the characters would react to different scenarios. That kind of shit is bread and butter really, so having a shit fit because they aren't capable of just not clicking on a catbox that is clearly labeled for what it is, is pathetic in a whole new way.
>>732076763Not all fan works are swapshit. Swap shit is specifically "What if I turned character X into character Y?"
>>732078226In the Normal Route (Without doing any side stuff) the world collapses on itself because even when having a smidge of the Angel's Power is enough to destroy reality. In the Weird Route you've shown her that the religion she has believed in all her life was a lie as you reveal yourself to be more akin to Lucifer than God. Then you torture her for eternity just like you did with Kris.
>>732078904nta, I didn't realize people felt so strongly about swaps but I've always hated it myself. On the surface yeah you can have an angle of "what would this person be like in different life circumstances" , but almost every single instance I've ever seen just fails to capture core tenets of who the character is and instead just makes "sans but he smokes and is drawn like papyrus" for instance. but I think that probably comes from the people not having a decent grasp of the original character in the first place.
>>732079271I don't know what other people think of them, but I hate them.
>>732079342well take DRY for instance, is dry a swap story? it doesn't set off those red flags for me personally as the characters feel like they are in their "right place" while trying to interpret how they would act and live in a different world under different circumstances. I'm not sure where the line between something like that starts, where you are trying to still interpret some form of that actual character, and then compared to something like this where the characters are clearly just a coat of paint for characters the author didn't comprehend in the first place.
>>732079594DRY isn't a swap, its just an AU. The same characters from UTY put in different circumstances. A swap is shoehorning one character into becoming another. The goal of DRY from the start is to tell a story about Kanako and Clover in a universe where they are both still alive.
>>732079594and I'm not against people taking liberties with characters, but when I look at Dry, I can kind of comprehend who the characters are so far. I don't have martlet inexplicably trying to play out Starlos role in the story while failing to uphold any aspect of both hers and starlos core personality, because the author really just wanted to draw martlet as a cowgirl, and don't get me wrong, that's a noble cause in its own right, but I don't get that satisfaction of "oh this makes sense for martlet, she'd absolutely work herself into the ground for someone she cared about". I get a sense of "why is Martlet hyper confident leading a gang in the wild east"
>>732079271>>732079342This is why TS!Underswap is the only good swap AU I've seen, it actually feels like the same characters from Undertale but in different roles, instead of being just an excuse to draw the main cast cosplaying as each other
>>732049115Could you drew a scene showing the moment when Martlet or Zenith absorbs Clover's soul completely.
>>732079847so then that explains to me then that there is a clear difference between the two, which I guess is obvious on the surface, but I didn't even really bother engaging with the term "au" until UTY itself opened my eyes on fanworks. so I think a lot of what I'm saying here>>732079958is on track. Taking a character and just saying "Martlet is asgore now" really just raises the question of "what are you trying to do with this character?". It strikes me as "I wanted to draw the character like this and came up with a really bad story concept around the idea in the process". Martlet for instance would never BE asgore, if she were in asgores shoes she would make completely different mistakes altogether, but she wouldn't have declared war on humanity because her children died, because it wouldn't be lost on her that one of the children was a human for instance. Fundamentally different characters. It reminds me of people writing sans attacking frisk "because" he killed papyrus and not you know, what we actually see his motivations as in the game.
I always laugh like a retard when I see these characters turn hyper realistic for a panel
>>732079041but why would (You) want to do that
>>732080238Because it would be mad funny.
>>732080149I haven't given it a shot at all, but I heard its one of the only other finished fangames right? I'll take a look at it if it actually accomplished that. It's not impossible to take a character and put them in a different role, then wonder "what would they have done instead". but thats massively different from "take a character, and make them make the same decisions a completely different character made"
>>732080231It's one of the absolute best forms of comedy and I wont take any slander on the matter.
>>732071034How do you know that a woman wrote it?
>>732049115I remember someone made a joke about it, but it would be interesting to see your take on the Clover as a soul, doing the shooting mini game while he's in Zenith Martlet's womb.
>>732080280>I haven't given it a shot at all, but I heard its one of the only other finished fangames right?It's not finished it only has the ruins and Starlight Islands (Snowdin equivalent), but right now its the highest quality fangame
>>732080594I'll at least keep an eye on it. I'm sure for all of the hundreds of bad takes, it's gotta be possible for someone to do good with the idea.
>>732080354usually, when a fic has a heavy amount of fethises it means that it was most likely made by a woman, besides, no man likes Frisks x Sans
>>732049115How about Clover's perspective while his soul is within Martlet or Zenith.
>>732080354If you don't have a sensor for these things you aren't going to make it.
>>732037745yeah thats me lolfirst time visiting one of these threads for over a year, glad to see it still going strong. i should really draw ceroba again sometime>>732039265i took inspiration from shoutingisfun, i love how he draws anon
>>732081140jesus christ that Ralsei is a nightmare.
>>732081229I knew that anon looked familiar
>>732081206 That was a question to see how other people would identify it, I already know that a woman wrote it. You failed the test.
>>732075208>>732075508I really that bird family section. It's both heartwarming, and comical, especially with everyone's expressions.Like Zenith Martlet and Berdly's mum are aware of what she did Clover, for him to be a bird monster.Berdly questioning the extra member of the family, and Clover just happy to be there.Goes to show the drawanons work has inspired other artists to draw the scenarios they've drawn.
>>732081229from that image i can tell you quite like the roba, how do you feel about the rest of the cast since you happen to be here? It's not particularly important, I just feel compelled to ask.
>>732081229holy shit! you are backHave you played DRY1? it released almost a year ago
>>732081776and it got an update back on halloween
I didn't "get" kanacole/kanaclover until I played dry a month ago. Now I love these goobers and want them to be happy.
>>732081479>ImageYou know I really like this AU, I'd love it if not for the fact that it's another Momroba AU. Normies can't help themselves from doing this constantly for some reason.
>>732082040I personally do both momroba and momlet. both have different appeals, even if Momlet is the more natural evolution of the characters. Momroba naturally leans of very strong redemptive themes which simply feel nice to work with. I imagine most people doing them aren't thinking of things like this but it lets me explore thoughts like Ceroba moving from living a life of penance, to earning back a semblance of the life she truly wanted through effort. I feel like its really awkward when clover is used as a kanako replacement without really addressing that, but there's something sweet about it. I like scenarios where somehow she gets kanako back, and grows room in her heart to truly care about both of them.and also I think the fact that Ceroba was denied her character development in the pacifist ending alongside the other characters, it gives us a chance to actually play out the development facing her sins could have.
Ceroba asked me to come in and see you.
>>732081479martlet and starlo are great characters, i really love ceroba despite her flaws.one thing UTY really gets right is its core characters, and the synergy between them, are all very strong compared to undertale. flowey, sans and papyrus are all great, but the rest are OK at best, and none have very strong synergy. I really love how martlet, starlo, ceroba and clover all interact with each other (no one cares about dalv but that's aside the point). I think the characters being so lovable is what really helped the community pick up where the narrative began to fail, and it's resulted in the best version of it possible>>732081776i'll check it outsorta dropped my own fangame development ambitions as life pushed me forward to other stuff, but i still love this game, will use it for inspiration, and i'll enjoy other fan stuff tooI mainly work on other game stuff and post art to /hmofa/ these days
>>732082040The funny thing is despite all the focus the artist tried to give Ceroba, Martlet still ended up being the most popular character in that au.What's also funny is that when it was made clear that Martlet was undoubted the most popular, they started drawing her with Clover more.Over time I think most have started to realize, that Momlet was more well received. I just find it a shame that when people started making fics or AU's everyone was trying to force the momroba thing.
Ceroba's syrupy pawjobs
>>732082448>I really love how martlet, starlo, ceroba and clover all interact with each other (no one cares about dalv but that's aside the point).that's a good point, I do want to mention that Papyrus has a lot of interactions with undyne through the phone calls, but yellow does a good job of actually making those interactions play out on screen, which is also probably a big part of why we all have such strong impressions of what the characters core personalities are like despite the games flaws. by bouncing off eachother it paints more of that overall picture. That said, thank you for indulging my curiosity.oh, and as far as Dalv, its funny to me that a drawanon has given me more ideas for personality he could have than anything in the game did.
>>732075208Reading this made me even more motivated to work on my fic based on the drawanons Martlet and Clover drawings.I hope others are also just as motivated, to work on their fan works or fics based on their stuff to.
>>732082328hello there
>>732082579NTA, but honestly, while I don't personally like Momroba or Momlet, I feel like it's kinda weird to describe Momroba as being "forced", as if Momlet is just the natural order of things.Let's be real, they're both just fan interpretations of how things could play out post-revival, it's not like either one of them is really hard canon for pacifist, let people write what they want.
>>732082976but martlet literally asks clover to live with her in game
>>732082976>as if Momlet is just the natural order of things.it definitely is, the devs confirmed the mother child connection, she calls clover her kid in the pacifist route, and she puts her life on the line to give clover a run in hundreds if not thousands of timelines.but that said I am a big fan of both momroba and momlet. It's all very sweet and endearing because both are characters that "momifying them" isn't forced in the first place. In another thread there was talk about how forcing motherhood on a character can sometimes make the character worse, but it comes very naturally to those two. it's not the same as someone trying to write something like mommooch or something.
>>732083016No, Clover accepts an offer that's made to them in neutral, which Toriel also makes to them in other timelines.We have no indication that Clover wants to live with Martlet over all other monsters, she's just the only one who offers to take them in in neutral.In the context of a scenario where Clover gets revived post true pacifist ending, there's really no reason they couldn't end up staying with just about anyone they met during their journey.
Mom!Clover.
>>732083161>give clover a runi meant give clover a home. It's not a question though, the mother child implications are literally intentional. they just aren't the only way things could go as most of all Clover clearly wants a home to belong to.
>>732083161>it definitely is, the devs confirmed the mother child connection, she calls clover her kid in the pacifist route, and she puts her life on the line to give clover a run in hundreds if not thousands of timelines.Again, to be clear, the only reason Clover ends up going on the journey they do is specifically because Flowey had to pry them away from just staying with Toriel forever, the game literally tells us this, this is in-text information, not developer word of god.Clover would stay with just about anyone who offered them a halfway decent home, and that doesn't just mean Martlet.
>>732081229>i should really draw ceroba again sometimeNTA, but it would be really sick to see more Ceroba from you after all this time, you do some pretty good stuff.
>>732083342but clover does go all the way through his journey after that interference, making it all the way to the end, and choses to stay with the bird every single time. you'd be a lot more invested in the endgoal of your journey logically if you were at the end than if you had just started it, but clover goes with the bird even that far in. They both have connections to justice, clover is shown to have a different outlook on martlet than he does to every other monster, likely due to the fact that unlike every other monster she actually ends their fight herself and "attempts (fails) to help him. this isn't just about developer word of god. this is about that combined with what we see play out on screen. you are willingly ignoring pieces of the puzzle for no good reason. Martlet also is characteristically different than toriel, not being someone that would try and force expecations on clover and instead just wanting clover to live a good life away from all of this violence. Also, clover being willing to stay with toriel does not negate in any way his connection to martlet, we know clover is someone wanting a mother figure, but martlet is the only one who puts her life on the line like that for him. If clover doesn't stay long enough for toriel to climb into that one room, we never hear hide nor hair of her again, because she's not going to push past her issues and explore the underground for clover.
>>732083812Clover is someone wanting love, he even bonds with Ceroba, so its not like he couldn't bond with her further, but Ceroba also betrays him which would definitely leave a mark. I'm all for momroba and its nice when written addressing the dynamic between the characters, but it's clearly in place with Martlet as someone who never went back on her word (something a kid that idolizes cowboy culture would absolutely be big on), and has a sense of justice that someone like clover who jumped underground to right these wrongs could absolutely see eye to eye with. Its a sense of justice that takes him into account after all, and a lonely kid like that needs that. Momlet is absolutely set up conceptually. its written on the wall in great big neon letters.One idea I had for a scenario where post revival martlet didn't step up to taking clover in, is where she feels she has no right to after letting him die like that. I can imagine Ceroba in her guilt taking him in in a case like that, and that would change the course of how each of them faced their own issues significantly.
>>732083812>and choses to stay with the bird every single time.In neutral.So, not accounting for the timelines where they choose to give up their soul, or kill everyone, or just wait five minutes in the dark ruins and take the rope Toriel offers and try and live with her again.Again, Clover chooses to stay with Martlet because she's the only one who offers, not because their connection is just that deep. Really, the fact that they only ever choose to stay with her in neutral makes it seem like that only happens when they aren't completely committed to their actions, since neutral is a middleground between two extremes.They choose to stay with Martlet when they aren't committed to their idea of justice, one way or the other, and choose not to see their mission through, but that's not the default state of things for them.
>>732084138isn't in pacifist where clover agrees to be her "roommate" before he then decide to take of his soul and die?
>>732084138>So, not accounting for the timelines where they choose to give up their soul, or kill everyone, or just wait five minutes in the dark ruins and take the rope Toriel offers and try and live with her again.so accounting for the majority of timelinesand again, martlet calls him her kid in try pacifist.>not the default statethe vast majority of timelines. This is also considering you disregard all the connective tissue between them. Momlet is pretty clear to see.
>>732083606ceroba sent me down the kitsune pipeline, so here's a kitsune fighter woman from a peer's story i drew as a compromisei have to design her clothes still
>>732084474>i have to design her clothes stillif you ask me, I'd say she has too many clothes
>>732084109>Ceroba also betrays him which would definitely leave a mark.>Martlet as someone who never went back on her word (something a kid that idolizes cowboy culture would absolutely be big on)See, the problem here is that you're going all psychoanalyst on a character that almost never emotes or reacts to literally anything ever, even when they're dying alone on a balcony after having their soul removed.Like, yes, I'm sure all those things about Ceroba and Martlet *would* have an impact on a normal child's decision on who they want to stay with, but Clover is not a normal child, no child we've seen in the UT universe is.I know it's tempting to want to apply actual child psychology, or even just normal logic to the world and story of UT/UTY, but you can really only get so far with that before you start running into some pretty big problems with that. The game does give some small hints that Clover's life on the surface wasn't amazing, but that doesn't make them some uwu traumatized tumblr baby, they're just small background details.As far as the game shows, Clover's only a little less stoic than Frisk was, and that's only because UTY describes Clover as "wanting to cry" during the first phase of Flowey's fight, regardless of how much that doesn't actually make sense for what they've been doing so far.
>>732084474Huh, cute character.What's she from?
>>732084474neck fluff....erotic....
>>732084109>One idea I had for a scenario where post revival martlet didn't step up to taking clover in, is where she feels she has no right to after letting him die like that.Different anon here, that doesn't really make much sense, considering Ceroba didn't even try to stop Clover from killing himself, in fact she was pretty like "Yeah let Clover kill himself."Martlet at very least protested a lot, and made it clear she was absolutely not okay with Clover through that. And was clearly very effected by Clover's death to where she quit the royal guard.In such a post revival scenario, the last thing Martlet would want to do, is let Clover down again, and push him to someone else. She'd absolutely take Clover in without hesitation.If anything Ceroba would the one to not even think about taking Clover in, considering she actively deceived and tried to kill him. After doing something like that, there's no way she'd see herself as being fit to look after Clover.
>>732084557>The game does give some small hints that Clover's life on the surface wasn't amazing, but that doesn't make them some uwu traumatized tumblr baby, they're just small background details.weird exaggeration>I know it's tempting to want to apply actual child psychology, or even just normal logic to the world and story of UT/UTY, but you can really only get so far with that before you start running into some pretty big problems with that. it's using basic logic, clovers own actions in how he reacts at the end of the neutral routes, how he reacts after what flowey does in the neutral route, what flowey uses to torment him with in the neutral route. >and that's only because UTY describes Clover as "wanting to cry" during the first phase of Flowey's fight, regardless of how much that doesn't actually make sense for what they've been doing so far.ah yes, thats "all" that happens there.you're tossing out logic when its convenient to you. We know Clover has more of a personality than frisk, he emotes several times through out the game, shows moments of rage that frisk never did, we know "you" aren't a presence in the game as well so his thoughts and actions are his own and are inspired by different outlooks on the character. We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he has a connection to Martlet, we know he wants a place to call home more than he wants to complete his mission, and we know that martlet is willing to give him that place, all the while being of stronger moral character than Toriel. You can act like those things aren't important to clover even though we know they are from act dialogue in various situations. He has a harsh reaction to cerobas betrayal and we know this from his act dialogue, we know that he cares a lot about his monster friends because of how we see his motivations for killing himself. We know significantly more about clover than frisk, by design.
>>732083216Clover interacts with an older female version of themselves?
>>732084404>so accounting for the majority of timelinesMost neutral timelines are just minor variations on each other depending on how murder-heavy they are. You can't say "oh, Clover wanted to stay with Martlet in the timeline where they killed one person AND the timeline where they killed two people, that means they wanna stay with Martlet no matter what!" and pretend that's a real argument.They choose to stay with Martlet in the neutral routes because she's the only one offering and because they aren't as committed to going to Asgore in those timelines (not to mention the fact that the game just doesn't let you go to him in neutral anyway), not because they just love her over everyone else.>and again, martlet calls him her kid in try pacifist.Yeah, *she* calls *them* her kid, not the other way around, no reciprocation.>the vast majority of timelines.Again, basically just a single general sequence of events with minor variations based on kill count, not a whole array of alternate events with massive differences that really shows they just always stick together through thick and thin.Also, when Flowey kills Martlet before his fight, Martlet literally says "I should've known" before dying, so even *she* had her doubts about Clover in the end.
>>732084397Martlet refers to Clover as her roomate in Neutral.In Pacifist Martlet refers to Clover as her child.
>>732085001>Different anon here, that doesn't really make much sense, considering Ceroba didn't even try to stop Clover from killing himself, in fact she was pretty like "Yeah let Clover kill himself."my logic there, is that we know that Ceroba takes action when she gets an idea in her head, she's very "spirited" which has led her on a lot of her worst decisions. The barrier being broken, the 7th child not needing to die for it, getting kanako back (headcannon) would leave her with I think a lot of lingering emotions looking back on clover, how good a person he was, and how none of this would be possible if it wasn't for him. Seeing clover come back, and having no one to go to (headcannon or possibly he came from a shitty home), I can see Ceroba acting on the guilt, remembering how yet another child suffered in front of her. If Martlet doesn't step forward, I think Ceroba would at the very least offer him a place to stay, and them forming a bond slowly as clover eventually forgives her for the betrayal.
>>732085028>shows moments of rage that frisk never didIn the genocide route, sure, but to be fair we do also see Frisk act by themselves a fair bit in UT's genocide route, such as blowing through all of Papyrus' puzzles, taking the first step towards Sans, and killing Asgore and Flowey with no input from the player.>We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he has a connection to MartletNot enough of a connection to not kill her after scanning her mind for a reason to and finding jack shit though, lol.>we know he wants a place to call home more than he wants to complete his missionOutside of either pacifist or genocide, yes, but we also know they're willing to settle for just about anyone who actually offers to give them a home, like Toriel. >all the while being of stronger moral character than Toriel.Comparing Toriel and Martlet in this case as if Clover themself was weighing a choice between the two is fallacious because no such choice is ever actually presented to Clover in the context of the story. If Clover stays with Toriel, they never even meet Martlet (and apparently don't have enough of that cross-timeline connection to leave the ruins by themselves, go figure), and if they do meet Martlet, then it's not like they can just go back to the ruins and choose Toriel anyway. Your argument is invalid.
>>732085102>Also, when Flowey kills Martlet before his fight, Martlet literally says "I should've known" before dying, so even *she* had her doubts about Clover in the end.and? she's been told her whole life her idealistic belief was wrong and she fought to act against that. getting killed is kind of a big deal and if she thought it was at the hands of the person she tried to reach out to. her dialogue is also different depending on how many you kill. if you had low LV she just asks "why would you" meaning she wasn't expecting that, but if you have high lv then "she should have known" after everything you did.
the thread is autosaged?
>>732082040Momrobahttps://files.catbox.moe/fdscfl.png
>>732085635Oh, huh.Yeah, looks like.
>>732084474
Say, since we're about to be shelled no matter what, what say we do another thread after this one? We haven't even hit the bump limit yet and we're already going down, I feel like we didn't get our weekend's worth.
fuck off jannies, this thread was on topic
>>732085547>In the genocide route, sure, but to be fair we do also see Frisk act by themselves a fair bit in UT's genocide route, such as blowing through all of Papyrus' puzzles, taking the first step towards Sans, and killing Asgore and Flowey with no input from the player.we see aspects of clovers personality in every route, we see him try to attack flowey himself in the neutral ending, finger guns with starlo, anger at asgore in flawed pacifist, and more. we get a couple very small moments of personification with frisk, some of which don't even tell us personality and are just his reactions to things like papyrus's spaghet, but Clover shows aspects of who he is in every single route. You should go back through the game because it feels like you've forgotten some of these things.
>>732085768I agree
>>732085635>>732085684>active, on topic video game discussion is badclassic janny moment. I'm starting to wonder if the person that was bitching about the threads being "worse" is a janny.>>732085768considering our threads aren't against the rules (not a general, not constant, and the /vg/ rule says you're still allowed to have threads about specific games) I don't see why not?
>>732085594>but if you have high lv then "she should have known" after everything you did.On the lower LV levels it's a shock to her, but on the higher levels that means she's still harboring doubts even as she makes the offer, it's not like Papyrus where he literally talks about how he still believes in you even as he's seconds away from dying after you already dealt the killing blow.
>>732085768let it rest
>>732081229>>732084474hope to see you in the next thread
RIPhopefully we get more kanaclover next time
lets reach the bump limitend this thread on our own terms
>>732085889>On the lower LV levels it's a shock to her, but on the higher levels that means she's still harboring doubts even as she makes the offer,yes, which is understandable. her not being papyrus is not a mark against her. Papyrus is THE most morally strong person in the underground. that doesn't mean someone who abides by different values is bad. She's someone who tries to judge both sides of the situation, and when she gets killed thinking it was by you, she reacts understandably. (after all, no one else was around to her knowledge, and why would a monster kill her like that? even if she got caught harboring a human she wouldn't be killed by surprise by undyne, the royal guard doesn't DO stuff like that)
>>732084626Where Kitsune Wait by somethingaboutsharks on AO3 (cant link it because of spam filter, but googling it will show)it's about a Nordic beast hunter in feudal japan, battling yokai and romancing magical foxes. very long story but it's very very good.
>>732085898no
>>732019242Yeah I definitely saw, I'm very thankful for the anon who did this, and I think they did an amazing job.They really captured Flowey's expression well, in regards to seeing Martlet take in Clover soul into herself, based on the things he said in the Game Over gif I did.
>>732085791>we see him try to attack flowey himself in the neutral ending,>anger at asgore in flawed pacifist,>finger guns with starlo,These are all still reactions to things, not necessarily indicative of a specific personality.And again, we see their actions change depending on the route you take, with Clover being much quick to use their strength to just brute force their way through problems, just like Frisk does from time to time.
>>732085898why, we were having active video game discussion while following board rules. What sense does that make. are you the janny? aren't there some ai generals that need to be addressed?
>>732085993nice, you don't post your stuff anywhere else?
Last post for ketchup slilk
>>732086073>These are all still reactions to things, not necessarily indicative of a specific personality.those are absolutely indications of personality, they show the kind of things that engage that person. Finger guns are like "the big charisma thing". his rage at asgore and the way he jumps to attack flowey are also clear indicators. it shows the types of things that spurn him into action, it tells us about his value system. You can't just take clear signs of a characters character and say "that's not character" just because it doesn't fit the image you have of him.
>>732085980>the royal guard doesn't DO stuff like thatQuick sidenote, not super relevant to the overall argument, but since Toby said that the human/monster war had both races fighting on both sides of the war in certain contexts, I don't think it's entirely out of the question that someone as hot-headed as Undyne might be willing to skewer a fellow guard if they were colluding with the enemy.Maybe not as a first strike, but if she was willing to violently overthrow Toriel in some of UT's neutral endings, I could see her being willing to kill a monster over a human soul.
our heroes will save the next thread
>>732086173no last will be fox fluff
>>732049115I don't want to see unbirthing images and think of them as hot, ahhhhhh good job drawanonI prefer the regular Martlet one, personally. With the discussion we had about genocide resulting from trauma, it's what could have happened after their Snowdin encounter, especially if a mentally distraught Clover apologized but couldn't stop himself from attacking.Also, great Cloverbird design! I don't mind that he has skin instead of feathers on part of his body. It reminds you that he's still part human.>>732049252How about Mettaton EX dressed up in the Japanese McDonald's tracksuit? https://youtu.be/cofgl-Bktus
>>732085961Probably no chance since it's been page 10 for a bit now. >>732086236oh I think undyne would absolutely be willing to attack, I just don't think she'd do a "surprise one hit assasination from behind". she's too boisterous, she'd make it very clear that she was attacking and why you know?
>>732086094i don't post often, but usually twitter and newgrounds
>>732086090because you dumb faggot, when the jannies get uppity like this, they tend to just autosage the next thread or just purge it outright,
>>732086272personally I could do with some wilk too
We WILL make it to 500 posts!
>>732086325that's definitely not always the case you rude goof. We've had plenty of times where this happened, and we went on to have a full thread afterwards. Besides there's no rule justification for the autosage.
>>732086304we are very close to the end, don't give up just yet
>>732086304> she's too boisterous, she'd make it very clear that she was attacking and why you know?I dunno, she attacks Frisk from the shadows in UT before making her big speech. If she just wanted to grab the soul and be done with it, I could see her going straight for the kill as her opening move.
well we did it, good job everyone
>>732086389I was wrong to doubt.
>>732086284Glad to see you like and enjoyed the Martlet drawings!Like I mentioned before in another post it's not skin, it's just like Martlet face, with Clover's face being the lightest part of his body, while the rest of his body is dark.
>>732086392She throws the spear in front of frisk instead of at him, and I don't think that's an accident because she was unseen and is the most competent royal guard there is. there's also not a single timeline variation where she lands that hit. she then walks into view clearly. I think she was making herself known before attacking, and it really fits her personality to do that.
>>732086197>Finger guns are like "the big charisma thing"I dunno, we see smaller bits of Frisk's reactions to things that are like this, we just never see them in animation because that would require Toby to actually be good at animating more than he wants to be.For example, the difference between how Sans talks about Frisk's reaction to the "whoopie-cushion-in-the-hand" trick in pacifist versus genocide, the ACTs during Mettaton EX's fight, etc.Frisk has lighter and jovial reactions to things too, but they depend on the route they're on, just like Clover.
