no….. its over…..
Thanks a lot Tim still not using your shitty launcher
Oh no, all my games just disappeared! Now I must use the Epic!
if steam goes under I'll just pirate everything and play games with standalone launchers like path of exile and warframe.
wtf tim sweeney just chewed on all my tv remotes now I have to play fortnite???
So what are the charges, exactly?
>>732023189Look at him, that boy is so proud of what he's done.
>>732023941the remote menace is getting too strong and gaben isn't doing his part in chewing them to extinction
>>732024029Remote? Like the TV remotes?What's that got to do with anything?
you VILL chew ze remote
>>732023189Okay but where's my lawsuit money Gabe?
The UK is a terror state and should be invaded like Afghanistan
>>732024495it was already invaded long ago
>>732024495its some random law firm that tries to sue every gaming company, its not the state
>>732023189if valve lost, does that mean every single storefront that's charging 30% is free to target? are apple and google getting btfo'd by this?
Why cant steam users go 5 seconds without bringing up tim/epic
>>732024671Oh I don't really care about the lawsuit
>>732024791>are apple and google getting btfo'd by this?They dont charge 30%, those megacorps are less greedy than valve
>>732024536I said invaded LIKE Afghanistan, not BY Afghanistan
>>732023798+1
>>732023189>literally who>ai thumbnail>usa and poland flags for no reasonlol
>>732024864pretty sure they do, outside of the poorfag discount
Pretty sure the tribunal barely holds any power after I defeated Almalexia
>>73202517615% till you make over a million, i think most indie devs would want that
>>732024864They don't for the first million but after it goes up to 30%They changed it right before the court case with Epic
>>732024029Being le vague isn't helping anyone faggot.
>>732025930lmao
>>732023189reminder that a whistleblower janny once leaked that they were ordered by Moot to delete anti-Valve threads while leaving up anti-valvecompetitior's threads (this was long before egs was even a thing)also reminder that ex-valve employee claimed that Gaben is a manipulative piece of shit who was bragging to the team about how well he was manipulating the audiencealso breaking news, Moot is also on the Epstein list, and he very likely created /pol/ on his request to groom farrighturd circlejerks
>>732023189Oof, Gabes's cooked.
>>732026134>ex-valve employee claimed that Gaben is a manipulative piece of shit who was bragging to the team about how well he was manipulating the audienceOkay I'm aware of the others but need source on that one.
buy a fucking ad bellular you fucking faggot
>>732023189Video games, faggot, VIDEO GAMES!
>>732026134still not installing your chink spyware timgo piss more millions of dollars down the drain on your shitty store
>>732026274he doesn't have a source for either of those first two claims, the new tactic for a while has been "say thing over and over so it's in peoples' minds and they start believing it."
The wisest move Steam could do is pull completely out of UK Close all Steam accounts and blame it on the UK government and their corporate alliesThis would enrage the young men so much they could in theory organise and start a coup I'm talking about a priceless opportunity here at handBut I doubt that fat fuck of Gabe will ever do it, he doesn't have the balls
>>732025930it a joke about sweeny, not info on whatever stupid shit europoors are doing
>>732026134thanks for letting me know TimI've uninstalled Steam and installed EGS. I've also bought some FortniteBUX to show my appreciation.
>>732026338>Gabe Newell / Steam is not video gamesThrow yourself into a river NOW
>>732026646Its funny cultists always bring up their devils>DID YOU CRITICIZE MY GOD, YOU ARE SATAN I MEAN THE EVIL TIM
>>732026274>need source on that one.https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/9037ff/gaming_so_an_exvalve_employee_rich_geldreich/it has all the links in itlike my god it's so fucking easy to lead this fucking cattleyou retards genuinely believed that a middle man billionaire taking away 1/3 of the money the consumers pay for the RnD of their products has no negative affect on their products and that this billion$ luxury yacth armada buying middle man is actually the "pro-consumer", while the opposition trying to force this middle man (as well as all the other big ones like apple and google) to lower it's taxes is the "anti-consumer" evil guy
>>732026134>Meanwhile outside of this guy's fanfiction
I don't get this hoopla against Gaben while trying to paint Tim Sweeny in a good light as well.Why?Why specifically EGS and not a good store like GOG?
>>732026887>the opposition trying to force this middle man to lower it's taxesgames on EGS are priced the same
Noooo we love you Valve!
>>732026887Hey Timmy how about you spend your budget on a steam input competitor. Not even a remote play together? Not even a steam workshop equivalent?Alright Timmy it was good that you finally added a text chat fucking decades later at least, but I feel you could really spend the fortnite bucks on something else, huh?
They've been trying to take Gabe down ever since.
>>732024029kek
>>732026905lmaoyou either seriously just THAT fucking retarded to still not get what's goin on, or you are just a perfect example of the kind of systemic manipulation going on in these grooming sitesthe shit I posted is actual reporting verified by multiple repubatle sourcesthe shit you posted is a fucking photoshopped picture that someone keeps spamming on forums but has no reputable sourcesgee, which one is the shilling and which one is reality, I can't decide
>>732023189Fuck Gabe for the bullshit he's put us old HL fans through over the years. Hope somebody sinks his fucking yacht too.
>>732023941Valve abusing it's dominant market position by prohibiting developers from setting prices of their games on other stores lower than steam, ie. prohibiting other stores from comoeting on price. This is why despite the lower cut the same game on EGS was never cheaper. And no this is not about steam keys
>>732026887Ah geldreich, that's a name I haven't heard in awhile.Also he's trying to get the middlemen to lower their prices except the console companies.>>732027069Because most of them are console users and don't care about GOG since they don't go on anti steam rants
>>732026905At least you changed the image file this time Ranjet, how many times have you posted this one pic?
>>732023798>if steam goes under I'll just pirate everythingYou third worlders already do Steam stats have consistently shown none of its users ever buy games unless they're 7,106% off and only consume free to play sloppa
>>732026338gaben is the pilar of vidya games
>>732026697Your faggot youtube channel surely isn’t videogames though
>>732027641>This is why despite the lower cut the same game on EGS was never cheaperWhile that's true of any game on both stores but 99% of Epic exclusives were priced regular prices anyways including one of the first 70$ games on PC
>>732027306I still can't use "steam input" to properly recognize my ds4 to play dark souls1 and 2 without the camera spinning around so I gave up on this shit already and just downloaded a ds4 driver in a minute and never bothered with this shit again on anything I play with on my entire pcbut even if I didn't have this minor fucking inconvenience, I would rather have 1/3 of my money I pay for the cevelopment of my games not being stolen by some liar fat fuck just so he can buy more yatchs and groom more cucks like you who are literally shilling for getting more of their own money stolen
>>732026887>source: some guybig if true
>Muh heckin' developerinos>On the board that constantly mocks the modern game industry and shit on devs
>>732027832>Implying Bellular browses veeWould be pretty cool if he did desu ne
>>732024864>do nothing>take 30% of your workbased capitalism chad, commie could never
>>732026887>"heh, here's my totally true and verifiable source!">all of the comments in said thread are pointing out that everything is unverifiable bullshit
>>732027668>except the console companies.console companies have actual expensesthey develop their own platform, sell it at a loss, spend billions on software production and marketing to be a viable platformeg. sony lost more money on the ps3 than they get from ps1 and ps2 together, meanwhile Microsoft is still not in the positive even after decades of being in the console market. That's how risky the console business is, shit like Steam or Google play are just fucking webshops on other's platforms. Steam barely has a couple hundred employees, yet the company takes tens of billions of money from the industry. Nobody saying that they deserve absolutely no profit for being a distributer, the argument is that they are taking multiple times more than they would need to already have a fucking healthy profit.
Epic shills are insufferable. Just shut the hell up already.My opinion on Epic was neutral, but after listening to them bitch and moan and whine over and over again I can't help but fucking hate Epic. I mean I really despise them just cause they won't shut the hell up. Nobody likes a whiner. Just stop it.
>>732028424Console are now seling you a sub to use your internet connection you already pay someone else to use.if they are red maybe they should stop investing 500 millions of $ making 11 random Concord in hope of being the new fortnite
>>732025930Lurk more or back to twitter, retard.
>>732028424>sell it at a lossThat not completely true these days.I know for Sony they sell at a small loss for about 8-12 months then they sell at cost.Nintendo rarely sells consoles at loss and even turn into a small profit after a few months.Microsoft might be the only one who still sell at a loss.Don't get me wrong I'm all for reducing the rate but I'm supportive of everyone dropping the cut and not picking and choosing who has the right of 30%.I think 20% is fair but I'm not in charge of these companies so I can't really do shit about it and they can figure out how low they want to go.
>Tim gets google and apple to lower their cut to 15% until they make their first million >"hey steam you should do the same to help smaller indie">cultists: TIM IS THE GREATEST EVIL TO EVER EXIST
>>732028571>Console are now seling you a sub to use your internet connection you already pay someone else to use.yes and Microsoft is still not in the positive Sony currently is, but they are also literally paying billions to stay afloat. As lukewarm as their current game lineup is, they still pour more money into game development than they ever did. Their spending on the gaming department's RnD literally doubled compared to 5 years ago, and while they are profiting now, they can easily have another ps3 and lose most of what they earned
>>732026134>manipulating the audience>having good PR by doing things people likeThese are the same thing, framed differently. A man speaking proudly about how he has a loyal fanbase because he provides them with a service they perceive as good isn't actually a a bad thing.
>>732023798
>>732026134Funny you say that when moot is now officialy part of epstein list (since 3 day before /pol/ launch)
All you faggots need to stop sucking off Valve so much. Reminder that they were the first one to normalize mass digital in game assets gambling / purchasing with their steam marketplace and the absolute cancer of CS cases.>they make muh best gamesTheir card game flopped day one, and they basically gave up on counterstrike. They are one of the most profitable companies making billions monthly by just existing and taking 30% cut from game and in game transactions, no reason for something like that that doesnt provide any value to exist. And valve being a bitch in price fixing for different regions is real.
>Bellular
>>732023189If Steam goes down, I'll never buy a single game ever again, aside from some live service slop with standalone launcher.
>>732027384It would be poetic if he was taken down by his own people.
>>732029273I don't care, I'll use another game store when it provides a better service to me than valve does. What's so hard about that?
>>732029298Its funny so many steamies made the same pledge of allegiance in this same thread
>>732029345>What's so hard about that?That's what the lawsuit is about.
>>732028913>I know for Sony they sell at a small loss for about 8-12 months then they sell at cost.if you read shit like this it usually refers to the company being in the positive overall (which is the case with the articles reporting on the ps5 "no longer selling at a loss shoftly after the launch, they don't mean that the hardware alone is generating profit, but the ecosystem), they almost never sell the console itself at a profit because they would rather take the opportunity to sell the console at a lower price (even half as much as it's initial price) because they know the real money maker is bringing more people into the ecosystemstill, this is still just one element of consoles, they need to spend billions yearly on software development and pretty much just as much on marketing
>>732023189Fuck... No Gabecube... No Deck 2...... Fuck!
God tier>Game is on developer website or remote repository, bonus points for open sourceGreat tier>Game is on GoG and owned by the developersGood tier>Game is on Steam without DRM (Or only steamworks)Meh Tier>Game is on Steam with DRM>Game is on Ebin gamesBad Tier:>Game is on GoG but not the original developers, just vultures eating the corpse>Above with any game store actuallyWhat the fuck are you doing tier:>Uplay and shit like that.
>>732024671>its not the stateWhose laws do you think these are? Who do you think would enforce something like this?
>>732023189Reminder that Valve were never our friends.
>>732024791>applealready got bopped for monopolistic practices>googlensa front
Why is the UK going after a vidya company when they have much much bigger problems happening right now?
Honestly if steam just disappeared tomorrow I'd just switch to gog, doesnt matter how much free shit egs gives me.Also idk what kind of dataminer their launcher is but it slows my pc down so much
>>732027634based and parasocial derangement-pilled
>>732029531Well of course getting people in is their money maker since even if you sell at cost that isn't making any money, sure it's not bleeding money but it's not making the money to keep going.Like I'm aware of this stuff and obviously are spending money on their product, everyone is spending money on their systems and/or services.
>>732029894>monopolistic practicesillegal>kikerynot illegal (???)as the saying goes, the legal system is a blunt instrument
>>732027939I have never set up a ds4 for Dark souls in steam but set the dead zone for the right stick higher until it fixes the problem. You're welcome.
>>732027641Ok? And is he also forcing devs to publish on his platform at gunpoint?
>>732029927I love gog but I have no idea how it's still around . So many games and most people just use them for easy piracy, how they even make money.
>>732027939A workaround to getting EGS to recognize any controllers beyond the latest sony or xbox controller is to run it through steam so you can use steam input. You being a retard means nothing.
>>732030096the business equivalent, yes
>>732029894Because the group pushing this have been going after a inch of companies in the hopes something lands.These fucks had a similar suit against Sony over PlayStation for similar things.
>>732023941Eating a meal. A succulent Chinese meal.
>>732030113for every habitual pirate there's a wagie that just pays $40 because it's easier than figuring out what pirate sites and still up and it's not like it's a lot of money
>>732030126So I guess epic, nintendo and sony will have to go to court too for having exclusivity deals, right?
>>732029273>All you faggots need to stop sucking off Valve so much. Reminder that they were the first one to normalize mass digital in game assets gambling / purchasing with their steam marketplace and the absolute cancer of CS cases.i remember reading that valve invented battlepasses and lootboxes. if not invented, then popularized. i mean, i use steam. it's fine. but i'm not going to pretend they're some paragon of the industry when they're just another billion dollar corpo.
>>732030234they don't interfere with the prices of the larger market, so they won't be in any trouble
>>732030307Neither is steam, your point?
>>732027641>make a good platform>set some rules on the platform>get in trouble because other platforms can't compete because you're too goodkekw
>>732030209This is democracy manifest.
>>732030326but they are, they dictate the prices on other platforms. that's the entire case.
>>732030113>how they even make money.selling old games would be my guess, I mean yeah you could pirate it but most of these old games go for a couple bucks so majority of people don't even bother with piracy
>>732030113>most people just use them for easy piracyDo they?Most cracked games I see are Steam releases with a generic Steam emu.
>>732030339>*set some rules on other platforms
>>732028168This is also the board with most bots shilling narratives besides /pol/but in general Fuck AAA
>>732030408They don't though. How's Steam control the prices on GoG? Oh wait they don't because GoG has regional pricing and is cheaper.
>>732030408>they dictate the prices on other platforms.Source on steam forcing other platform to change their prices?
>>732030408True, the other anon is wrong, Sony or Nintendo don't even ALLOW competition on their platforms at all!
>>732030408Only for their steam keys, if you sell the game stripped of all steam integration it might have you can charge what you want on your own site.
>>732030293The were one of the big companies to popularize lootbox yesBattle passes were indeed their creation>>732030307Sony does have a most favored nation clause for cross platform mtx and the like, no idea if Nintendo and Microsoft do too.
>>732027939>I am too much of a retard to properly configure the easiest controller wrapper ever designed therefore it's YOUR problemNo, I'm fine, thank you.
>>732029717Correct, I use their service because there's not a better one.
>>732029894>when they have much much bigger problems happening right now?That exactly why
>>732026804Sorry Tim, I didn't mean any offense.Just offer a service on par or better. Then you can be my G-d. I'll wait.
>>732030447Nope, only if they also sell on Steam and they'll only get in trouble on SteamBy simply not engaging with Steam they don't have to play by Steam's rules, therefore there's no impact on other platforms at all
>>732030501if that was true we wouldn't be here now
>>732027641>Valve abusing it's dominant market position by prohibiting developers from setting prices of their games on other stores lower than steamyou literally can do this though, you just can't sell STEAM GENERATED KEYS at a lower price. there is nothing stopping devs from hosting the game on their own website for a lower price that do not tie back to steam
>>732030597This was set off by some retards selling their steam keys cheaper elsewhere
>>732027641>Valve abusing it's dominant market position by prohibiting developers from setting prices of their games on other stores lower than steamno they're not, you can find games cheaper than on steam and steam doesn't do shit about it
>>732027069Because Tim can't out perform Gabe, so he instead tries to take him down a peg.Even if Tim isn't behind the actual lawsuit, companies and individuals often help out with costs when its in their interest. For instance Peter Thiel funded Hulk Hogan's lawsuit against Gawker as revenge for them outting him as a gay homosexual.
>>732030475NTA and I can't be assed to look up where the exact source is but basically Steam does not allow developers and publishers to sell the same product for less money on another platform. This is, of course, so they don't generate a billion Steam keys and sell them for far less on other platforms, thus directly bypassing Steam's cut while still using Steam's services (distribution, versionization, workshop, etc)
>>732030492and if they were market dominant that would be a problem. but they're not. monopoly law applies to monopolies.
>>732030619No, you can't there are emails from valve in the case that state that you can't
>>732030597>no lawsuit has ever been frivolous>no plaintiff has ever lost a caseJust because a lawsuit exists doesn't mean the defendant is guilty, retard.
>>732030670Ok, where, please something of note, and not on sale
>>732030727and who are you kidding
>>732030692>monopoly law applies to monopoliesOh phew, that's good, Steam's safe then since they have a massive amount of competition, from direct competitors like GOG or EGS, to other competitors like Playstation or the Switch as a whole
>>732030725https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys#3
>it's the same jackasses that go after valve multiple times a year with class action lawsuits and have lost every case to the point that they are actually on legal notice that if they try again in the US that they will have action taken against them so now they did it in the EU
>>732030687That applies only to steam keys. You can sell your own game for 60$ on steam and 1 cent on your website if the website version is not a steam key.
>>732030725they are getting emails because they are selling steam keys
>>732030793minor bit players, as the very existence of the case demonstrates
>>732030725Emails are just emails.And yet in practice I can literally buy shit cheaper off Steam on a consistent basis.
>>732030796Yeah it's funny that Steam's stance makes total sense and the courts have no fucking clue what this is about, they just see an opportunity to cut down the least capitalistic entertainment company in the West and jump on it with frothing mouths
>>732030796As I said, this isn't about steam keys
>>732030831you seem to be agreeing with him in a hostile manner
i thougth it was literally illegal to sue valve because of forced arbitration
>>732027641>ie. prohibiting other stores from comoeting on priceNo, that's what the lawsuit is alleging. But they have to still prove it. I haven't seen any actual proof yet outside the intentional conflating with steam key price parity.
>>732030896they can sell the exe to their game without it being a steam key though, the problem is they are generating steam keys and selling them at a lower price. not that they are selling games at a lower price
>>732030863>Emails are just emails.sure, and when i told the councillor that i would throatfuck him if he didn't fuck off, well, just an email, right?
>>732030850Doesn't matter, don't care, they're competition.Monopolies are when Spectrum or Verizon buy the rights to the local infrastructure so competition literally *cannot lawfully exist*, not when a market leader is simply so good nobody else manages to establish themselves.
>>732030953>generating steam keysonly valve and the nsa can do this. they are selling keys generated by valve for sale.
>>732030692I am pretty sure that US law doesn't recognize ANYTHING as being a monopoly anymore. Apple got sued, the courts said, "Yeah, this seems kinda coercive, but it's a free market? You can choose to stop I guess."And Apple didn't change course because there are no anti-trust laws. They're not enforced. Nothing's a monopoly because they don't recognize those laws nor enforce them meaningfully.
>>732030863Emails are business dealings and business dealings are subject to laws
>>732030929That's only for amerifags, the Land of the Free where you get to be dictated by companies what you may or may not do
>>732030971>Doesn't matter, don't care, they're competition.tell that to standard oil. retard>>732031020the us is lawless, news at 11
>>732030971Doesn't matter, nobody in the first world agrees with whatever retarded definition you were fed by corporations growing up.
>>732030886The only one who's word we have is someone who was testing out other stores with lower rates to see if he should ditch Steam, then told Steam he was going to do it. We have no idea what his actual emails were, whether he made it unclear how he was going about it or if he came off as self-reporting that he was simply going to let everyone know that Steam was now the most expensive version.
>>732030896 Pretty much sums up half the thread honestly. People keep screaming foul at Valve like they're twirling their mustache in a tower somewhere, meanwhile they're just running the only storefront that isn’t actively losing money or bribing devs with exclusivity deals.
>>732030951The question was "what are the charges?", it's a civil case, so there's no charges, I just explained the alleged tort
>>732030879It's because steam is not ruled by retard nepo baby shareholders and that's a clear danger to democracy according to our overlords.Steam does what it does to keep a consistent userbase and keep selling, rather than please the whims of retards obsessed with torching the whole company for the ebbs and flows of the market gods.
>>732030886then what is it about because i haven't seen a single example of someone selling their actual game on a different platform get yelled at. only people that are generating keys and selling them
>>732030597It is true, and will be revealed to be true in court. A case not being dismissed before a trial doesn't mean the defendant is guilty, only that the lawsuit has some amount of evidence, the validity of which will be determined at trial, and that if borne out might be illegal.All it means is that the court goes>oh, if everything you say is true there might have been broken laws
>>732031143yeah instead they're blackmailing anyone who wants to sell cheaper elsewhere
>>732030850>the existence of the case demonstrates guilt
None of this matters, Valve can comply extremely easily by simply making devs buy the keys they wish to sell on third party websites. Valve giving devs/publishers keys to hand out is a privilege that can be easily revoked, not a right.
Monopoly:1.the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.>ExclusiveBy the fact that GoG, Epic, Battlenet, Riot Launcher etc. all exist, it is not a monopoly, unless if you believe they are all in cahoots with each other.
>>732023189Based as fuck. Fuck valve and fuck steam
>>732030963>>732031021Those emails are cherrypicked from hundreds of hundreds if not thousands of correspondence Valve has had for over a decade and a half.MFN clauses are an issue when they're systemic and involves backdoor dealings with other influential third parties.At worst this is just a dev trying to "protect" their Steam users. An employee being largely negligent in some interactions.But like I said, having emails is one thing. But being able to prove that Valve is systematically imposing this unwritten law is another. Because in practice even their actual steam key policy that literally exists and is written they don't enforce as much.
>>732031283Gooooooooooooood morning, saar!
>>732031193But you can sell cheaper elsewhere. Steam doesn't stop that. They prevent you from selling steam keys cheaper than they would be on steam. If you want to have a lower price elsewhere, have that place host the download too.
>>732031323yeah i mean send lots of emails and only some of them are threatening people with sexual assault for undercutting me
>>732031334You son of bitch benchod valve will be behind the bars!!
>>732031341Not only that, but you CAN temporarily sell keys at a lower price, like during a sale. They don't allow perpetual "sales" that are defacto normal pricing to undercut them.
>>732027641>this is not about steam keys>it very clearly isWhat compels people to be this malicious?
>>732031323bro dont argue with the astroturfersthey ignore everything and will.keep spamming threads
what none of these dumbass retards realizes is that the results of this trial DO NOT MATTERit literally doesnt mattereven if valve is rendered liable for millions of dollars, they have practically infinitely deep pockets, like disney or microsoft, and regardless of whether they're found liable or not liable, NO ONE IS GOING TO USE OTHER LAUNCHERS ANYWAY.steam has built a reputation that is so ironclad and so enormous that even if they can't do what theyve been doing anymore, no one is going to use any other launcher. still. theyre like the world of warcraft of vidya marketplace platforms. you could offer games for FREE on another platform, and STILL no one is going to use it and instead stick with steam, as weve seen with EGS countless times over the yearsnone of it fucking matters.
>>732031423>What compels people to be this malicious?There's no punishment for lying.
>>732031270egs unironically exhibits more monopolistic tactics by buying out exclusives for the sole purpose of keeping it off other platforms
>>732027641Don't see this as a big loss for Steam then. None of the fanatics are going to EGS even if the prices are cheaper
>>732031465liars go to hell though
>>732031423People misunderstand a situation or extrapolated something wrong and are too prideful to back off of it.
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>>732031496Yes but they're very worldly people and are only concerned with immediate dopamine hits and not their eternal souls.
>>732031174What you've seen is irrelevant, you haven't seen it because you didn't look for it, and even if you did it would be (or was, according to accusers) done in private. Do you expect steam to pop up a banner "HEY GUYS THESE ARE THE GAMES WE FORCED TO INCREASE PRICES ON OTHER STORES DUE TO OUR MFN POLICY" to every user?
>>732031469>retard fails to understand the basic meaning of "monopoly", exhibit #236545745879>>732031487in spite of appearances itt most steam users just want a convenient (and ideally cheap) way to buy games, and will switch service if incentivized to - or buy from one of several, if there's price competition
>>732031579That slide that says something like games are political, making games is political, etc., etc.
>>732031634a monopoly is not a company that most people use because it's the best
>>732023189I blame flavor of the week youtuber trash and roblox for this. Roblox NEEDS to be investigated
>>732031450Make a better platform.>someone could offer their games for freeyes and now you got third worlders who only open your shitty fucking platform to play their free games and don't buy anything you want them to actually spend money on because it fucking sucks donkey dickLiterally just make a better platform. Hell, try to COMPETE at least. Attempt to make your platform worth something. Copy the steam workshop, literally try anything that isn't the cheapest shit imaginable.
>>732031679>retard fails to understand the basic meaning of "monopoly", exhibit #236545745880
>>732031610no but i expect that to be in the TOS which is literally fucking isn't, again just stop selling steam generated keys at other platforms at a lower price. host the exe yourself like a normal person
It's hard to tell if the people spreading lies about Steam price controls are shills hired by Tim, people that spread libel for fun, people that spread libel because they legitimately hate steam/valve (the anti-launcher crowd), or useful idiots.
>>732031717But enough about you
>create a good business that both makes you rich and your customers really like>upstart competitor is eternally envious that your product/service is so much better than equivalents and that he didn't come up with the idea before you>drums up bullshit claims and supports ridiculous lawsuits against youImagine how much it would suck if this shit turned out to be the Ford v Dodge of video games. I think we should do what we can that Tim's little crusade doesn't succeed.
>>732031701nothing's stopping anyone from making roblox-with-the-trademark-filed-off, and trademarks are ultimately in the consumer's interest
>>732029603Actual God Tier>Game comes in a big box on physical media and requires no launchers to play
>>732031762>no ufeel free to review any textbooks on the topic
>>732031634>will switch service if incentivized to - or buy from one of several, if there's price competitionI'm super skeptical of thatYou can usually get stuff for much cheaper on key sited but most people just buy through Steam directlyOn top of that even when Epic offered direct discount coupons and even cashback and it does little to get people to actually buy games on the store
>>732031830then explain how steam is a monopoly
>the company suing valve is known for being litigious and sued Sony for the same bullshit >legal strategy is to drag the case out as long as possible and get a fat settlement check>sue through the UK who are retarded>UK courts go full corruption because the UK is poor as fuck and needs some cash from the lawsuit
>>732031768The only result that's even possible from this is that Valve stops being benevolent in handing out keys for free and makes developers and publishers buy the keys beforehand. They can offer the 30$ Steam game for any fucking price they want when the sellers have to buy keys for 10$ a pop BEFORE they sell them, Steam gets their cut regardless.
>>732031853Steam makes it easier, and a lot of people feel uncomfortable putting their payment info into keysites. Making something even just a little easier or feel just a little safer will make a LOT of people use it without a second thought.
>>732031820>Open box>It's a download code
>>732031830>retard fails to understand the basic meaning of "monopoly", exhibit #236545745879
>>732031820Nigga, if the developer hosts the installer and you can copy the installer infinite number of times, that's better than a physical copy.Open source means you can rebuild it and mod it easier.Actual retard.
>>732031323Breaking a law doesn't need to be systemic to be breaking a law. Especially for monopolies/trusts where even a rumor of a policy can compell other actors to obey it. Valve can just remove you for no reason at all, without explicitly stating "we're doing this because we have an illegal policy", the act of enforcing it itself is illegal, you don't need to announce it
>>732031768what do you actually think would happen if steam didn't get to dictate the price on other services?
>>732031830>I am retarded>okay retardAnon, please stop embarrassing yourself
>>732029273I haven't played CS since 1.6, never touched DOTA 2 or ArtifactTheir store is still best. Simple as.
>>732023189Good morning sir!
>>732031423>clearlyso you've imagined it
>>732031950>Breaking a law doesn't need to be systemic to be breaking a lawi only assault people for wearing pink shirts occasionally, when i feel like it
>>732031705DOESN'T MATTER.there have been MANY mmos to come out that were purported to be 'wow killers'. some of them were even objectively better than wow. none of them came even close to competing with or killing wow. know why?because wow was synonymous with mmos. steam is synonymous with 'online place you buy games' its the DEFAULT. its why no other search engine can compete with google; they're too firmly entrenched in the collective understanding of conceptsit. does. not. matter.steam is never going to 'lose business' to EGS or anyone else no matter what happens with this trial
>>732031820UH OH!Money stolen!
>>732031910>tim sweeney supporting lawsuits that will be a net negative for developersyeah that sounds about right with his track record
>>732032028>some of them were even objectively better than wowthis never happened>>732032042physical ownership is physical ownership
>>732031912That's fair especially for a lot of key sites that are basically scams. I do like GMG though since they are legit.Convenience wins out pretty much anytime.
>>732032091>physical ownership is physical ownershipAnd digital ownership is also physical ownership once I just copy it onto a disk and back it up in triplicate
>>732030532>Sony does have a most favored nation clause for cross platform mtx and the likeDidn't hard evidence for this come out during the Epic v Apple trial? Tim just cannot stop losing.
>>732032143false by any standard
>>732032046He has been doing just that since the launch of EGSMany devs have come forward saying they should have never taken the exclusivity deal because the money they made after the deal expired dwarfed what EGS offered them and they could have really used that money earlier.
>>732030670G2a, humble bundle etc
>>732031487It does not have to be EGS. Were an actual good competitor appear, and actually chase steam's features, they would for a long time be behind simply because of the fact they started later than steam. But maybe not as much behind to not be considered if you get 5 or 10 dolla off a $60 game
>>732032214there's always a premium on certainty. for something as hit-and-miss as a game it's going to be quite large.
>>732032206Oh no, we have a retard over here..Anon.. you.. you do realize that on your physical disk there is data? Data which is.. you know.. digital?
>>732031731They did, and still got the email.
>>732032206How so?If a game's entire data isn't tied to a launcher, it can be copied and burned onto a disk, turning it into a physical media.
>valve loses>they just say fuck it and get rid of steam keys>makes everything worse for everyoneOkay so what now?
>>732032206Not really. Otherwise elaborate.
Bellular is an irish retard who got caught pulling on his pud in class in school who has been wrong about everything he talks about.The opposite of what he says is true.Imagine Tyler McDicker but he Bellendular doesn't have the decency to announce he's speculating.
>>732032306Proofs?
>>732032197It was actually the Google case.So Fortnite dropped vbuck prices on all platforms when they pulled their stunt and were questioned why prices going through Epic weren't even cheaper since they got 100% and Tim said because Sony wouldn't let him sell cheaper then what he charged on Playstation.
>>732032206you quite literally own more of a game on steam than you do with physical media in 2026. physical media doesn't even have the full game on them anymore. whereas with steam rips that is literally just the full game.
>>732032402Ah right that was it. He would be in a much better spot against Valve if he just learned to keep his fucking mouth shut.
>>732032407you may want to read that TOS more carefully. unless the shrinkwrap on the CD it actually matters.
>>732032358The court docs
>>732032028>some of them were even objectively better than wowName a few, since there are multipleI'll do you the favor and exclude a few>FFXIV>horrid community, entirely absent gameplay outside of raids, no sovlful mount hunting or similar>GW2>many build options but only a few viable meta builds, potential to brick your character if you don't look up a build beforehand>OSRS>Not even competing in the same genre, it has no real gameplay that requires skill, only knowledge>BDO>honestly don't remember the issues but there were numerous, it was so irrelevant I stopped caring too early to remember anythingAnything else? I don't know much about TERA or whatever so maybe there are a few!
>>732032454Tim is his own worst enemy
>>732031097Bit of a leftoid, aren't ya?
>>732032485*unlike
>>732032402HAHAHAHA holy fuck>it's ok when Sony does itRemember when they would literally charge you for allowing crossplay with them in your game, and thus killed crossplay in most games during the ps4 gen?
>>732032505Except that he only got the email because he asked Valve directly about selling his game cheaper everywhere but Steam, and didn't release his own email.What other devs are hosting their games on another site and also getting this email?
>>732032335business as usualpeople keep buyingpeople keep playingis not like steam is 100% dependent on the keys to function
>>732023189TIMMYSAARS, WE DID THE NEEDFUL!
>>732032407>physical mediaPhysical media is a joke anyway, it's something collectors delude themselves with to gain the illusion that their collection means something>buy DRM-free game online>burn it onto a DVDversus>buy DVD of a gamethe physical media fag will tell you that, despite the end result being the EXACT SAME, the bought DVD is somehow superior
>other companies suing because one company is being TOO pro-consumerdisgusting honestly.
>>732032335tim sweeney gloats about ruining a good thing for everyone once again
>>732032640He won't dare touch them anytime soon even when they fuck him in the ass, not while they make up a huge chunk of fortnites revenue, they own 5% of Epic and of course he deepthroats them any chance he gets
>>732023189
>>732032731They're seething because Valve is privately owned instead of public like the competition, so they're not forced to cripple themselves for the sake of the holy line.
>>732032728>the bought DVD is somehow superiorIt is if you like collector's pieces or plan to resell. But most people don't give a shit about collections and most people with any notion of reselling aren't doing the bare minimum necessary to actually preserve their physical stuff. The vast majority of people, when it comes to gaming, care about playing with a toy for a while and then moving on. That's why most people just don't give a shit about not owning their games.
>>732026887>taking away 1/3 of the money the consumers pay for the RnDDevs in the 90s and early 2000s made much better games on far smaller budgets so the extra 30% wouldn't suddenly make modern game devs stop being shit.
>>732032957Can you not resell a physical copy of a digital game if reselling is so high to you?Reminder, we are talking about a DRM free game not tied to a launcher here.
>>732023189Videogames for this feel?
>>732026887I've had steam since 2004 and I still can't believe the unironic dicksucking people do to this fucking company. It mostly just shows much /r/pcmasterrace posts here.Also fuck chinks and I've never installed egs so you can skip your only retort you shills.
>>732032731When companies can't compete they sueif that doesn't work they will also try kidnappings or murders>see coca cola co.
>>732027641This only applies to developers and publishers reselling steam keys which come with the added value for gamers who want their library on steam and use steam servers for hosting
>>732033074These types of channels are such rancid dogshit. It's incredible how many views they still get
>>732033081There are actual discksuckers, of course, but is saying that EGS is the piece of shit that it is enough to make you cattle? What service is better? Origin? Uplay?
>>732033056You can but you probably won't find very many, if any, willing to buy it. When I said resell, I meant there's a market for a lot of physical goods if they're in mint condition. Very few people keep their shit in a state that would sell. The arguments trotted out by people saying "steam sucks because you don't own your games" simply don't matter to the vast majority of gamers.
>>732033223People love their baitJust look at the catalog here on /v/
>>732026134>egs shill is a leftroonLike clockwork
>>732033242Ive only used origin, and it let me play battlefield so it's literally the same.What am I missing? Some incredible social media platform with a bunch of literal fag spergs thinking its some secret facebook? I open it, I launch a game, and I close it. Who the fuck does more than that?
>>732033439Workshop alone invalidates everything else.And the fact that you still need to install Origin to play their games on Steam means I simply don't play their games.
>>732033223The titles are pretty much how headers on newspapers are, people actually study to create bait, it has an actual name but its also known as sensationalism
>>732033074Jesus Christ.
>>732033176then who cares. sounds like they are attacking a weak logic loop in order to have any grounds. If people could sue others on the grounds that they have a superior platform it is all going to fall apart.
>>732032335>valve loses>they just say fuck it and get rid of steam keys>people start jumping ship from from steam's competitors>steam's market share increases furtherWould be funny
>>732033581Workshop is convenience, just like you can get those programs that manage addons for wow or minecraft, your average ipad kid now pc gamer can't figure out how to use folders that sounds like their problem.and if you didnt play bf3/4 back in the day because it wasnt on steam and just origin, you are a /r/pcmasterrace tool, thanks for confirming.
>>732023189>tribunalPraise Almsivi, for crushing Gabe N'wah and his Steam machines.
>>732033745>ConvenienceMods in general are convenience, having it built in is far beyond getting an addon.And if you're so serious about BF3/4 you're no better than a COD casual already, so don't wave your pecker around too ferociously
>>732023189When is Sweeney going to sue Microsoft and Sony for having closed walled-garden platforms that users can't install their own programs on?
>>732033986When they stop being the main source of fortnites revenue or he doesn't need fortnite anymore to survive
>>732028565They're objectively making this industry even fucking worse than it already is
>>732032335Well, the more important concern is ingame microtransactions. Tim Sweeney wants to put Fortnite on Steam for free and then charge users for microtransactions ingame without paying the 30% Steam fee. Basically he wants to take advantage of Valve's network infrastructure and existing consumer base without paying anything for it. I don't think it'll work for him, because there's no way Valve is going to agree to letting Fortnite on even if they're forced to allow free-rider microtransactions; nobody can force them to do business with Epic Games, although I wouldn't be surprised if that's Tim Sweeney's next lawsuit. He really, REALLY wants Valve to gibs him dat fo' free.
>>732029476It's not Valves fault you dumb niggers can't make a storefront worth a shit
why are jews so evil
>>732034198>Tim Sweeney wants to put Fortnite on Steam for free and then charge users for microtransactions ingame without paying the 30% Steam feeyou can already do this, you can buy ff14 items from the store without ever having to interact with steam so this post is retarded
>>732034363I don't think we need to understand why, they've shown for thousands of years that they'll never stop doing this shit.
>>732030619Then why is it I can buy Steam redeemable codes on Humble Bundle or Fanatical for less than on Steam at any given moment. RE9 is $57 on Fanatical, yet $70 on Steam, both redeem on Steam.
>>732033176Complaint allegations disagree with you
>>732027641follow the argument to its conclusion and you're saying "you MUST sell my game on your platform"not the case, so they win. it's very simple manif you want to sell it elsewhere cheaper and not offer steams customers a similar price within a reasonable timeframe you can do that, but you won't be placed on their store because of it as is their right.if they can refuse to publish a billion japanese games because mary vetos and bans them all, then they can absolutely refuse to publish people trying to scam their audience by giving them shittier deals than anywhere else>This is why despite the lower cut the same game on EGS was never cheaperNo it wasn't, egs will never be cheaper because its a dev focused platform as timmy is retarded. He thinks consumers should get fucked, and that it will be fine because devs value a 10% better cut for themselves at the expense of their consumersValve are the reverse, they are a consumer focused platform more than a dev focused platform, which is why they consistently win - because devs don't actually matter in the end consumers are what keep anything alive.Every consumer in the universe if asked to choose between "you pay 60 dollars and the dev gets 80% or "you pay 20 dollars and the dev gets 70%, will choose the latter. I do not care about the devs profits.>b-b-but what if you can pay 20 dollars and the dev gets 90%Doesn't exist, never will exist, no store offers it
>>732034521They can be sold at lower prices on a sale, but not if you're trying to game the system by having it on a "sale" that never ends.
>>732034392FF14 isn't free on Steam, retard. You have to buy a copy and Valve gets a fair cut. Sweeney wants the game to be free AND the microtransactions to have no fee so he doesn't pay ANYTHING.
>>732026887>you retards genuinely believed that a middle man billionaire taking away 1/3 of the money the consumers pay for the RnD of their productsThis is going to sound crazy to you but a 30% cut is smalltime compared to the cut that retailers used to make back in the day lmao.Games sold like hotcakes and made fuckloads of money with 50% cuts.
>>732034609Great, let's see how they do in court. Will you shut the fuck up about this if the plaintiffs lose?
>>732034521I wonder if Humble Bundle has the unique position of being a "donation" for steam keys and even the biggest jew at Valve got told they can't go after them.
>>732034642you can buy path of exile microtranscation from their own site and never have to interact with steam FAGGOT RETARD
>>732034639Seems like an absurdly easy to abuse loophole. This just reeks of UK can't make money without suing US corporations stink.
>>732034754It is, valve doesn't even enforce their own rules very much. The people suing them file lawsuits all the time, you do it enough and you sometimes make some money.
>>732029273I'll support Steam for as long as it's 7-20 times better than the alternatives. Sorry, Tim.
>>732027641yet the free market allows for egs to give away games for free and STILL no one wants to use that turd egs. this tells you everything you need to know. gamers know timmy is up to no good and dont trust him.
>>732034702I can't speak for those other games but Frontier said when you buy micro-transactions direct from them for E:D they still have to pay Valve a portion of that money even though Valve was not involved in either sale or distribution.
>>732034626>if they can refuse to publish a billion japanese games because mary vetos and bans them all, then they can absolutely refuse to publish people trying to scam their audience by giving them shittier deals than anywhere elseIf this was the case, the case would've been dismissed. The bar for dismissal is "assuming everything alleged in complaint is true, is there any law broken at all", so the court disagrees.
>>732023189>lawsuit literally just filed>VALVE LOSTRetarded clickbaiting pajeet subhuman
>>732034895i genuinely just think it's developers being retarded because GGG just uses a 3rd party payment processor if you want to even if you play the game on steam
>B-BUT THE EMAILS!!!!!!!1111111111>i have only bought games outside of steam because theyre cheaperOkay? What about the emails?
>>732034682I tgink the thread will 404 before that
Will this kill the Gabecube?
>>732035009No these things take fucking years
>>732026887>you retards genuinely believed that a middle man billionaire taking away 1/3 of the money the consumers pay for the RnD of their products has no negative affect on their productsyes, because we're not stupidyour r&d is useless if you can't sell it, and valve created a way to sell it to a market 100x the size that you ever were able to before. you are not "losing" money, you are making magnitudes more than you ever would have without them lmao. gaben is pro consumer because he develops a bunch of features that consumers want and use, and rarely allows devs to usurp them - like reviews for example. steam workshop to cut out 95% of all modding site requirements. universal controller support developed without any 3rd party program requirement that works on like 90%+ of all games even going back decades because it was developed as part of the client. you are an idiot if you cannot comprehend the value that adds to the consumer mate. all things no dev would have bothered developing or actually even finishing into the usuable widespread state it currently, so the money is objectively better from a consumer standpoint going to valve than to the dev in that case>nooo but if they had more money they'd make better gamesno they wouldn't, they spend hundreds of millions in budgets and make complete dogshit lmao more money cannot fix their issues
>>732034978How did Wolfire plan on distributing their game for cheaper everywhere else? Were they hosts themselves or did he still need Steam's support?
>>732035009hopefully the controller isnt affected. i dont want to give sony my money for their drifty shit anymore fuck sony
>>732026887>>732035103Oh yeah, and also things like universal cloud saves, and family sharing, both incredibly valuable to the consumer but not at all valuable to the devs lmao.
>>732035103>gaben is pro consumer because he develops a bunch of features that consumers want and useThis is the beginning and end of the steam discussion. Gamers flock to it because it's easy to use. Gaben makes money because he provides a service people want to pay for. That this makes some people angry is fucking baffling to me. I have no loyalty to the man, I'll gladly use another service that gives me a better experience. Fucking offer one, someone!
>>732035270>Gaben makes money because he provides a service people want to pay for.If you had to pay a subscription fee to use Steam the service would die overnight. No one would pay for Steam.
>>732034930It doesn't matter if the court disagrees, our countries judiciary is unironically amongst the most corrupt in the world lmfao.Is a store obligated to sell my brand of crisps because I want them to? Demonstrably not, you can go to any store and clearly be unable to find every single brand possible.Stores are not obligated to sell anything is the current rule. I would like them to be obligated to sell everything regardless of content as long as it is legal, I would like that to be a law enforced with no mercy. But they are not and should not be obligated to stock and sell your shit at 500 dollars if they do not want to and think that is an attempt to scam their customers when compared to the pricing of similar products. Doubly so if you choose to sell your product in the shop next door for 10p. It is clearly disingenuous and malicious.
>>732034871Sure, but if the argument is "I would win without having to do it anyway", then why not just not do it.Valve could simply add "we put no restrictions on how you price your game on steam in relation to other stores, with the exception of selling games which use steam services (ie 3rd party sale of steam keys)" and be done. Or limit the price reduction in other stores to the dollar difference in publishing costs. They have the legal team to write that, yet they haven't. It's not like this is the first time this was alleged
>>732026887yes i do believe tim sweeney is evil and wants to keep the windows/microsoft/directx monopoly and is actually trying to sabotage free (as in freedom) open source software while offering no avenue to fix the blow taking down steam would deal to the advancement for a more open software world.
>>732035334If you had to pay to use EGS it would have died long before it even got a cart
>>732035334Correct. What I agreed with is "gabe implements features that people like," and what you said is "well people wouldn't like it if he implemented a feature people don't like." This makes you dumb and a faggot, you dumb faggot.
>>732035334>If you had to pay a subscription fee to use Steam the service would die overnight. No one would pay for Steam.The developers pay for it, retard.Gaben made a storefront that developers want to use, he sells this service to them with a cut. Simple business and people keep proving that people want to use it.Remember what happened when EA left Steam? Womp womp, went down the shitter so they returned?
>>732034392Take a game like Warframe. You can either play it from their launcher with their own account system, or via Steam (or other login). If you are playing it with a Steam account, any MTX you may purchase ingame must go through the Steam MTX API. That ensures Steam gets their 30%. But you're not suppose to drive Steam players outside of Steam to another storefront, including an external website where Steam can be cut out of getting their 30%.That can be completely invisible to the player. Most games just accept this, and even if you login sometimes from Steam and sometimes from the game's website, internally your account will be flagged as a Steam account.Games that Steam finds violating this risk a possible lawsuit for contract violation and/or unlisting & ban from Steam.
>>732023941pissing off the rothschild family
>>732035375so you are saying valve should let tim sweeney sabotage steam for what reason again?
>>732035469>If you are playing it with a Steam account, any MTX you may purchase ingame must go through the Steam MTX API. That ensures Steam gets their 30%.the existence of path of exile literally disproves this, you can make a path of exile account WITH steam only play ON steam, and still purchase microtransactions on GGG's website without ever having to go through steam. the retardation of other devs doesn't prove anything. we have examples of the opposite being true
>>732027384Gee maybe if Valve actually did their job instead of being a racism organization that supports Nazis then they wouldn’t be in trouble.
>MFW Gaben pissed off the Rothschilds to the extend they sicced the entire fucking nation of England on themKEK
>>732035360When you are in a dominant market position you do indeed lose some discretion on who you can and cannot deal with. Theatres and studios were broken up for refusing to screen competition's movies.You are also conflating two cases, developers choosing to pass the savings of no steam cut onto customers, and developers trying to use steam as a free ad platform by selling there at ridiculous prices. That is disingenious.
Kinda really hard to take any of the shitposting seriously anymore after the Epstein drop. Fuck you people.
>>732035469please show me anywhere in the TOS that proves any of this is true. because if nothing in the TOS says devs can't do this then valve does not give a fuck and people are just pretending like this shit is real
>>732035469so what is the ideal situation?
>>732035446>Remember what happened when EA left Steam? Womp womp, went down the shitter so they returned?That's not what happened though. It's just a myth claimed by Valvefags that EA went crawling back to Valve begging to come back on Steam because their sales plummeted. That never happened. We do actually know their sales figures and there was no noticeable decline after they left Steam. Because ultimately people want to play games. They don't want to play Steam.
>>732035735>Theatres and studios were broken up for refusing to screen competition's movies.Valve is not "competing" with devs, there is no competition there. Their comeptition is other storefronts, so your example is retarded brother.>developers choosing to pass the savings of no steam cut onto customers,Has literally never happened, not one single example exists>and developers trying to use steam as a free ad platform by selling there at ridiculous pricesThat is exactly what they are doing. They want the infrastructure for free, the advertisement for free, but they want to pay valve nothing for it and put a big box that says "tehe click here to buy this from my website for 5 dollars less!" whilst still using all of valves infrastructure and systems
>>732035776keep posting this in every thread fag
>>732035735Will you shut the fuck up about this if valve wins the court case?
>>732028565My favorite part is they just scream nonstop about Steam being a monopoly when the only digital store that actually tried to monopolize the market was Epic.
>>732035802right they keep saying it but they never show proof of it
>>732035873lol I know what you are
>>732035830Yeah no shit the sales figures that include all sales will seem good, but PC seriously suffers when you force people off the dominant platform onto your own shittier one.
>>732035826stop interacting with obvious tim sweeney shills, they are just lying
>>732033589Yellow Journalism.
>brooo you dont get it the devs will definitely pass on the reduced cut to consumersProve it.
>>732035570I'm saying your argument is shit. Tim can suck a dick, but any ruling that ensures a more competetive market is good. Valve won't be good forever and EGS won't be the only competition either. When somebody that wants to take on steam the right way appears, I don't want them to be killed by illegal anti-competetive practices
>>732035830>We do actually know their sales figures and there was no noticeable decline after they left Steam.So why'd they go back to steam?
>>732035881Wins how?
>>732026887>this billion$ luxury yacth armada buying middle man is actually the "pro-consumer"Now imagine how fucking horrendously bad all the other chucklefucks are when this guy is the one who looks consumer-friendly.>>732027641Games on EGS weren't cheaper even when they were exclusive though, so I don't think that's it.
>>732036140amazing response
>>732033835sensibly chuckled
Steamie obese virgin neckbeards in full meltdown mode
>>732035830ea could just let gamers play the games they paid for and set a specific date they will not allow new purcharse of games on steam but thats not what they did, did they? they came back because their sales plummeted otherwise they would have stayed course but they didnt. they came back. kneeling. like a dog.https://youtu.be/4DjGB-wPGkc?si=Ahn6s1jClpeSnjJd&t=111
>>732036073Because the purpose of the store wasn't to have a higher cut, but to be a separate revenue source. Yea, taking 100% of a sale of the game you made is great, but it's even better to take some % of a sale of something somebody else made. That failed
>>732036415cope
>>732036234It's a genuine question, there are multiple ways to win a case
>>732028565EGS was a plot by Epstein, just like /pol/ was, it's the only explanation
>>732031820That usually comes with godawful DRM that rapes your asshole on the physical media so eh, I wouldn't take it over a DRM-free GOG installer that doesn't put malware on my PC and that I can save & back up forever.
>>732036254Go back to /pol/, Epstein fellating retard.
>>732023189GETFUCKEDSTEAMSISSIES
So if some corporate jew bullshit takes place to we just lose all our games? qrd?
>>732036059It's not clear to me how this enforces a more competitive market, or how it's illegal.>>732035830This really doesn't match what I remember from investor reports. When they came back to steam, they had a huge rev surge, like 70 percent, and had a multiple top 10 games. The claim that cutting off all steam sales didn't affect them...that much doesn't seem right at all. You would have had to have a massive boost in revenue from steam's cut dissapearing then.
>>732036059tim and egs does not look for a competitive market, he is just trying to kill steam because his jewmasters are afraid he will kill that trash windows and directx. why dont you talk about that? why dont you talk about how steam's demise will only help microsoft and directx remain a dominant force? that trash unreal engine is proof enough timmy is not of good character and is up to no good. egs is anti consumer and timmy made that clear from the very beginning. now you can go make a store and anti consumer practices as the free market allows you but when the free market rightfully gives you the finger an honest man would reconsider but tim sweeney rather use their market position and the powers that be that support him to destroy a competitor because the consumer sided against him and his anti consumer, pro developer market his words not mine. tim sweeney hates consumers more than he likes fair competition and is just a puppet but i can see the hand behind him.
>>732036612chosenites like to fuck with the goyim now and then to remind them of their place. Plus in the US a chosenite recently got FUCKED by a goy at some ICE protest so now they're extra angry with the gentiles.
>>732026887the alleged anti-consumer individual whose company created an entire wrapper for Linux users to play video games on their platformversus the alleged pro-consumer guy who thinks banning twitter so epstein's culturewar clique can't generate porn of minors is "gatekeepers trying to censor political opponents"
>>732035446>The developers pay for it, retard.No not really, the 30% that Valve takes is from the money the customer paid. It comes from the customer's wallet, it is money that the customer earned and chose to spend on Steam in particular and for a particular title. The customer pays both Steam and the developer. The developer doesn't pay for Steam out of their own pocket.
>>732033074What's with the "people want to switch" video, where is the red background? Where am I supposed to look, which words am I supposed to focus on?
>>732036737>Year before leaving Steam: $3.7b>Year they left Steam: $3.6b>Year after that: $4.143b>Year after that: $3.797b>Year after that: $3.575b>...>Year before returning to Steam: $5.15b>Year EA was back on Steam: $4.95bWhere is this enormous loss that was only reversed by returning to Steam?
>>732036745>why dont you talk about that?Because this won't kill steam. And it's not tim doing it. So I fail how is he relevant.
Time to become an epicchad instead
>>732036737A market where stores can compete on price is more competetive.
>>732036745>WAAAAAH STEAM'S BECOMING TOO POWERFUL MY PISS-n-SHIT OPERATING SYSTEM WHOSE MEMORY IS DEVOURED BY THE AI THAT POWERS IT IS DYINGGGG BECAUSE DA JOOOOOS AND LINOOOOX USERS ARE GREEDILY TAKING IT ALL FROM GLORIOUS MICROSOFTi'm a primarily Windows user and even I think you're a faggot, please end it all before you embarrass yourself further
>>732037128So what we have now
>>732029654Let me rephrase it so your trog ass can understand it.State makes law. State enforces law.Here, state NOT initiate lawsuit.Instead, kike lawyers initiate lawsuit.There.
>>732035392Tim Sweeney is the worst fucking person in the industry. Crybaby. Liar. Hypocrite.
>>732029267Proof?Not questioning it, just want an image I can repost.
>>732037067this actually goes to fund proton and if the court fails against steam proton development might just stop and tim sweeney is sure as hell not going to develop another proton or help linux get a foothold into the mainstream like steam but your master tim sweeney likes to parade his hollow high ground moral stance when he is just a hitman sent by microsoft
>>732037435valve isn't going to cease proton developed because of this, they themselves also rely on it because of the steam deck
>>732037253not only are you a windows user but you also are a microsoft shill paid in shekels per post
>>732023189I'm probably retarded but I still don't understand the arguements against Steam.Steam imposes a platform parity rule so it has to have the same default price as other platforms but they don't set the price. Are they trying to say Steam trying to impose a standard price is unfair because others can't undercut Steam if they also sell on Steam?Shit like "we'll match or beat a price found elsewhere" is standard practice where I'm from and hardly anti-consumer.
>>732037601>Steam imposes a platform parity ruleeven this isn't true because it only applies to games being sold with steam keys, theres nothing in the tos saying the actual game needs to have parity between platforms.
>>732037494proton, steamdeck, gabecube yes all of this might just stop development forever. this helps microsoft more than it helps gamers or developers really.
>>732037556>you hate my opinion so you must be everything i hateback to /pol/ you go Mr. Neo-Epstein
he was the only billionaire not in the files so they want his head
>>732037679hollow argument. try again microsoft shill paid in shekels
>>732037652Why on earth would that stop the development of any of those?
>>732037681We've seen pictures of Gabe surrounded by prostitutes. He was a demonic sexual predator same as the rest of them. He just wasn't connected enough to know Epstein is all.
>>732037770all i hear is a faggot whining that they were called out
>>732037912>fucking prostitutes is the same as fucking children and eating babiesok dude
>>732037775less money and because tim sweeney has been very open on his anti consumer store (which invalidates his moral high ground stance for a healthier competition for consumers) he is not going to offer an avenue for linux gamers that do not want to use microsoft products or services at all if steam falls. tim sweeney is on record hating pc gamers too.
>>732037319And whose laws are they using to form the basis of their lawsuit? You guys really need to be banned from all American platforms and services.
>>732038023>less moneythis is valve we're talking about, we literally have documentaries on how they develop shit.
>>732037960Why do you think Gabe has a fleet of yachts which he can take into international waters? To engage in environmental research? lol
>>732037947called out on what? all you did was throw insults at me without addressing any of my points. a dishonest shill like everything egs and microsoft.
>>732038023I don't think he ever said he was pro-consumer. pretty sure he's always screaming about developer and publisher rights.
>>732037601>I'm probably retarded but I still don't understand the arguements against Steam.Don't worry, the people making them don't either
>>732038075how does that help they will lose money to fund proton and an alternative to windows/directx monopoly? tim sweeney does not ever talk about that monopoly
>>732038052>doubles down on being a retardThe government is NOT initiating the lawsuit.Ah, you know what? Forget it. Fuck you.You're a stupid nigger.
>>732038052>usingMore like abusing. This case will be thrown out like the others this cadre of litigators have unsuccessfully brought before a court.
>>732038023>less moneySure but it's not like Valve would lose an insane amount, not all devs would bother and most people will just take the easy convenience.>he is not going to offer an avenue for linux gamersOh no doubt, granted I doubt this will be a big win for Timmy if it happens.He can bitch and cry all he wants and have a hate boner for linux, the only time I bet he will "support" it is if it gets a big marketshare then he pretend he always supported Linux.
>>732038107Probably because he's so rich he's got more money then he knows what to do with. You ever buy a game on impulse? That's what a yacht is to him.
>>732026338why the fuck is chad warden in here, he's as important to the industry as Gabenn
>>732027641i love how this same retard always blatantly lies about it not being about steam keystimmy is not sending their best
>>732038161It's always about developers and publishers with him and believing that if they get a higher cut they will pass it on to the customers.
>>732038323Yes, I do buy on impulse. But I don't buy lives just to snuff them out in satanic rituals to maintain my monopoly on video games on impulse though. That takes a truly evil person.
>>732026134Now say something that makes sense instead of sheer conspiraturd theories, heck your conspiracies don't even make sense, there's no goal there's just "people I don't like bad"
>>732038135calling you out on being a /pol/fag, because all your points are trashfires made in the pits of hell and you're scared of jews.and your arguments about proton are utter dogshit too. proton is open source and would literally just be continued by any random person on the internet, because the only closed source things are proprietary glue components to connect o steam which can easily be removed if you know where to look. there, i engaged in your stupid fucking argument. happy, dumbshit? or are you going to keep slinging the same one-track insult in that curry-smelling brain of yours?
>>732038228I'm not saying they're suing you negative reading comprehension mongoloid. I'm saying in order for them to win their lawsuit your shitty country has to pass laws that allow them to do that. Your conquered island and it's government are still responsible by proxy.
>>732038375>>732031145
>>732028424>the argument is that they are taking multiple times more than they would need to already have a fucking healthy profit.>they are too good at their job, they are extremely efficientHow's that an argument? There's alternatives, people can buy games elsewhere, I don't think Steam even ATTEMPTS to hold exclusives in their platform like the competition does.
>>732038451that isnt my only argument but you also fail to address the fact a major corporation is funding a free and open source project and without it linux gaming would be a joke to the capitalists. why diddnt you address that and only resorted to the lowest form of argumentation? because you are a microsoft/directx/windows/egs anti consumer shill paid in shekels
>>732038451You type like a schizoid tourist, get the fuck out of here, not even that anon, but your posts show you're clearly a underage mentally ill troon
>>732038719>still the exact same insultlike i said, sniffed out and called out. i rest my fucking case pal
>>732038787the only case you have is the one you keep your shekels shill
>>732027634based grudgeanon not letting it go
>>732026134Cool story bro.
>>732035469>But you're not suppose to drive Steam players outside of Steam to another storefront, including an external website where Steam can be cut out of getting their 30%.
>>732038889>>732038751alright, here, i'll calm down. i'll admit, i've had a rough day and it's leaking out into my posts. sorry.however, i still believe proton would be continued by any random group of people on the internet if Valve wasn't involved.what would change if there wasn't funding? would it stop being easily accessible?
>>732038532the retard gets proven wrong every single thread he does this and then just keeps doing it over and over every couple of days
>>732039220Valve's management has completely checked out. Gabe doesn't give two fucks about Steam anymore so long as the money keeps coming in. Shit that Gabe was steadfast against for many, many years is now all over the platform. The biggest one is porn. Gabe had a very, very, very hardline about how there would never be any porn on Steam ever. Now it's half the platform.
>>732039381why did you even reply? you had a few arguments to retort to but you didnt address any of them and just made the same argument i already addressed. your attempt at a new image failed and now i am sure you truly are a microsoft/directx/egs shill for real. you will need many cases for all of the shekels you are being paid shill
>>732027834>one of the firswt $70 games on steamthis is why living in australia is gay as fuck cause $70 for a game is cheap as chips cunt
>>732039843>tim and egs does not look for a competitive markettim and egs want a competitive market because they want something to push on would-be customers. "we are better than x, we were better than y, that's why you should use our platform, because the proof is right there">he is just trying to kill steam because his jewmasters are afraid he will kill that trash windows and directx.windows won't die because of steam, and that's a really sad and terrifying thing. even though it's riddled with AI, updates that break the OS almost daily, and decisions that make me want to kill myself, Microsoft has a monopoly and that's that. random pajeets and snoys will eat it up still, because they don't care. the only people that will be driven away are people they clearly don't care about anymore. whether or not steam is dead will not change that. the only way to kill a monopoly is to kill the company that owns it. and i wish someone did!>that trash unreal engine is proof enough timmy is not of good character and is up to no good.i don't know shit about unreal engine, so i'll leave that for someone else to take a stab at.>egs is anti consumer and timmy made that clear from the very beginning.i actually agree with this! EGS fucking sucks. the only thing anyone ever uses it for is the free games it gives out, and half of them are trash. it barrages people with ads all the time when it's installed.there, i've made my points. sorry for the trouble.
>>732038441>i don't like gabe, so i've decided that he rapes and murders children>btw you steamies are a cult
>>732040785Anyone who thinks Steam become a greedy, global monopoly from just being super duper nice instead of the hand of satan is absolutely part of a cult.
>>732040470how do you build an anti consumer store and then expect any customers? i just can fathom how the thought process was. i just cant wrap my head around that. this leads me to believe the egs was never meant to be a real store but only as a tool to attack steam on behalf of microsoft/directx.
>>732040470>windows won't die because of steamYes, Windows survives because Steam is a thing. You ginormous fucking retard.
>>732040946It's not a monopoly though.
>>732042321>controls almost the entire market, their nearest competitor is less than 1/10th of their size>HURR DURR THEY'RE NOT A MONOPOLY
>>732042634You don't know what a monopoly is.Steam doesn't dictate where publishers can sell their games. Funnily enough, Epic tried that.
>>732027641>set your price the same as every other major gaming storefront on the market (better than most in fact because past certain sale milestones you lower your take)>this is bad because..?
>>732042634>it's a monopoly because it's more successful than everybody elseRetard.
>>732042808>>732042863>HURR DURR IT'S NOT A MONOPOLY EVEN THOUGH IT FITS THE DEFINITION OF IT BECAUSE I LOVE SUCKING BASED GABEN'S COCKGreat argument.
>>732043034Your feelings do not make something true
>>732043034Which definition are you using?Link it as well.Because that would mean Nvidia with 94% marketshare is also a monopoly.
>>732027781Factually false. Valve showed many times that implementing regional currencies in places like Russia and Argentina resulted in huge increments both in sales and users.The only people pirating games are broke Americans who complain about games costing $70 and places where Steam doesn't exist or there's no regional pricing/currency implemented.Now that I think about it you're right, Americans (third worlders) DO pirate games.
>>732043136>Because that would mean Nvidia with 94% marketshare is also a monopoly.They are. People complain about this all the time. Same as they used to complain about Creative being an awful monopoly back in the day too. The only reason Nvidia doesn't exercise their monopoly power much, though they do to some extent, is because they know the government will come down on them like a ton of bricks if they do.
I am calling ICE on my Indian neighbors right now because they leave trash all over the neighborhood. They are also allowing too many "guests" and everyone knows those aren't relatives.
>>732037059There's an interesting contradiction between the claim of a big revenue surge from getting their games back on steam, which the press wrote about, and was in their investor shit, and the observable games on the top lists, and the lack of relative effect. Those are rev figures, not profitability?
>>732027641>by prohibiting developers from setting prices of their games on other stores lower than steamThis will never become true no matter how many times you lie about it. The policy is about steam keys specifically.
Timmy will do anything except honetsly trying to compete with steam in any meaningful way. It gets sadder every time
If you can tie these libelous statements about Gabe Newell to a social media marketing firm that was hired to spread false claims about Valve and other people, legal action could be taken and damages could be argued for.
>>732044085Fascist
>>732044264Just link Tim
I hate economically illiterate niggers.
>>732044159>Those are rev figures, not profitability?We're just talking about sales here so only revenue matters. It doesn't matter if EA blew all the sales money on boondoggles and so had zero profit or not. All that matters for this argument is the revenue raised by sales.
>>732040946The reason why steam became a monopoly for pc games is actually rather simple, they provide a decent service and don't try to fuck over their userbaseThis is apparently too hard for other companies to even attempt
>>732044509>and don't try to fuck over their userbaseWhy do you people keep trying to claim this shit when Valve was fined by courts in Australia and EU for trying to fuck over their userbase?
Based, fuck the fatso that destroyed physical pc gaming.
>>732026338Same faggot
>>732044698How so? Because all I remember about european steam trials is steam getting fined because some reasonable stances steam took turned out to be illegal under EU law, like the geoblocking stuff.I don't pay attention to australian trials because they're all retarded.
>>732045074>I don't pay attention to australian trials because they're all retarded.The Australian thing was because Valve refused to give refunds for broken products. That's illegal pretty much everywhere in the western world but Australia was the one that actually stood up and took them to court over it.
>>732044085That's wonderful anon, please keep up the good work!
>>732023189I don't see why I shouldn't be on the side against Valve here. I want more competition and less anti-competitive practices from the dominant player. The behavior of Valve is causing game prices to be higher than they would be otherwise.
>>732045657Just wait for a sale
>>732044698Fortunately yuros and aussies don't have to be their userbase,
>>732027641Who wants their store to be used like a billboard but make no money?
>>732045796It could be even lower. If steam is currently taking 30% fee and they're forced to lower it to 12%, that's 18% of the game's price the customer will end up saving.
Fuck did Poland and the US do?
>>732045939If the game is $70, that's not because of steam, and there are plenty of games under $5 without sale, so I don't see how you could say they deserve to be lower.
>>732045939Cut lowering is one of the few tools the competition can use against steam. If steam dropped it's cut drastically I'd use it to file antitrust.
>>732045238From what I'm seeing, at the time of the australian trial almost no one offered refunds for digital goods, valve just happened to be the one to bite the bullet for it
>>732045939If steam fee lowers from 30% to 12%, a 70$ game will still cost 70$, the dev will get more money from selling their game through steam which is a valid reason to be in favor of it but nothing will change for consumers
>>732046003Game development costs money and different amount based on what kind of game and how large the team is. Indie games can be developed by one or two people, GTA has thousands of people working on it. Game companies spend a lot of time debating game price and choose one that is1. High enough that it will cover the cost of making the game, plus the profit.2. Low enough that it will not turn the customer away from buying it because of how expensive it isSo if Steam charged 12% instead of 30%, the developers could change the calculation, where the final price doesn't have to account for the extra 18% Steam fee. And since they're in competition with other games on Steam, they have an incentive to not pocket that extra 18% and instead lower the price, otherwise people will just buy the other games.As for games that are $5, they're usually1. Indie2. Released more than 5 years ago>>732046204See my reasoning above.
>trial hasn't even started >hurr durr it lost herp derp
>>732046325The game is $70 across all platforms, the indie game wants to make the game available to everyone while still getting some pocket money.The $70 game is not going to get cheaper, the $5 is not going to get cheaper.Your argument is based on the idea that the seller is not trying to make any money, and instead wants to make sure the consumer gets a cheap price.Are you an idiot?
>>732046442Nothing will come out of it, as usual.
>>732046127>at the time of the australian trial almost no one offered refunds for digital goodsNo, that's not true. In fact, Valve was the only one that didn't offer them. All the other major platforms did. You didn't just click the "Request refund" button but you could get a refund from going through customer service. Valve didn't do that. And they were also the only ones that had in their TOS "NO REFUNDS, BITCHES!" They were warned they are violating the law. They ignored the warning. They were fined. They went to court to try to fight the fine. They lost. Only then did they finally make refunds a thing and retards went around sucking their dicks and calling them "the only consumer friendly platform" for something they were dragged kicking and screaming into doing while everyone else had already been doing it the whole time.
>>732023189>Britain can't use Steam to push its censorship and narratives>sues them to all hell on bullshit chargesRealistically speaking, can't Valve just stop doing business in England and ask users to use a VPN for steam services?
>>732046453Game developers are already making money and will continue making the exact same amount of money before and after Steam lowers their fee if they lower their price proportionally. Yes, they could pocket the extra 18% and NOT lower their price, but that's honestly a luxury very few game developers have. GTA 6 will sell like hotcakes whether it's $70 or $100. But most developers don't have that luxury, they're in a very competitive business where they have to compete with other games to get the gamers' attention. So they can keep their price at $70, but think of an average gamer thinking about where to spend their money, a game that costs $70 or a game that costs $60, both games that they're equally interested in playing. Obviously it's going to be the $60 game.
>>732046605That's a half a billion dollars in revenue gone. Gabe's got yachts to buy and prostitutes to pay.
>>732035487this is the big oneall other shit that happened and will happen regarding the case is related to this
>>732046783I wish I could live in fantasy land like you, where people make smart decisions and don't base everything off the brand or name.This might be true for indie games when they start getting into the $20-30 territory, but people will buy Battlefield. People will buy Assassin's Creed. People are going to buy GTAVI for $150.If a game costs $60, it better be from a major dev, or they'd rather spend the $70 on something they know.
It's just the first line of defense trying to block it from going to court that failed. If Valve doesn't demand devs pricematch steam then they don't have anything to worry about. They will need to say the policy in writing in any case now. No shady emails telling devs it would be a shame if their game was removed from steam if they sell it cheaper elsewhere.
>>732023798I pirate all the Epic free games if I don't have them on Steam already. I don't even play them I just put them on the "Thanks Tim, Goodbye Tim" folder . On the rare occasion the game is good I buy it on Steam to support the Devs. I do it out of principle at this point but whenever I do buy one I giggle like a maniac. I'm an idiot but I can't help it
>>732046974Their only policy on pricing pertains to keys, so the fact there's a rogue email is honestly grounds to fire that man and just admit that they should have specified that without jumping to such drastic measures immediately.
>>732046948Maybe. Maybe not. Regardless of what will happen, I still support Valve's dominance being loosened. It's better for developers and customers. Whether the extra money goes to the customers, or developers, or a bit of both, it's good news. Valve employees are some of the richest in the world, they won't starve.
>>732047073We'll see what else the plaintiff brings. It might be more emails. That isn't an official steam policy and rightly so because that is price-fixing if the dev wants to sell it cheaper on EGS or somewhere else that doesn't use steam keys. It's pretty rare to see a game priced cheaper somewhere else and maybe there is a reason for that
>>732023189All they "lost" was an attempt to stop the trial before it began. It just means that the trial will proceed.
>>732047212>That isn't an official steam policythis shit is so easy to prove I'm amazed it hasn't been done already. Has any dev ever published the same game on steam and another store, the later price being cheaper?
>>732047580Barring key resellers and humble bundle I'm not sure. Physical stores do it all the time but digital is easier to police.
>>732047580itch would be the easiest to cross-reference but funny enough most of them either stop offering sales and tell you to go to steam, or offer steam keys at the same price.
>>732035375>then why not just not do it.because people would just use Steam as advertising platform but sell cheaper elsewhere. this is nothing but an exclusivity contract lite. let's ask Tim Swiney if he knows a thing or two about that>with the exception of selling games which use steam services (ie 3rd party sale of steam keys)" and be donemaybe
>>732030821For how antagonistic the u.s is getting towards Europe you would think they would be raising a fuss about people who they have warned to stop fucking around in the u.s running off to fuck around in Europe, but I guess that's what happens when you refuse to let anybody young into politics, too much of what's actually happening in the world slips by you.
so, barring steam keys reselling shenanigans, no store offers the same games cheaper than steam?
>>732027641>>732031423>>this is not about steam keys>>it very clearly isno anon, it indeed is the case they also have clauses, that you should not sell your game cheaper somewhere else if you want Steam's reachthat's what the Wolfire case was/is about
>>732047949Valve wants to do business in Europe so it needs to abide by their law or pack their bags.
>>732046325>And since they're in competition with other games on Steam, they have an incentive to not pocket that extra 18% and instead lower the price, otherwise people will just buy the other games.lol. what are you doing off your reservation aka reddit?
>>732030863If they really were just Emails valve would have argued so in court. They may in the actual case but it's weird they didn't in the hearing.
>>732026134All true
>>732034702Anon, you just don't get it. Tim Sweeney wants this specifically to flex over Gaben. he could have just agreed to a deal to give Steam a cut but he won't because he hates Gaben that much.
>>732047172You keep talking about valve being rich like I give a fuck. Specify how you want valve's dominance to be "loosened," and how things will be better for me the consumer.
>>732046530>All the other major platforms did.Valve's competitors? So they're not a monopoly? Which major platforms are you talking about that offered refunds on digital games before steam?
>>732048743Not him but if a dev wants to sell the game 30% cheaper on their own site or other stores then that's an option they can take. Most people will probably still buy it on steam anyways.
>>732048857They can do that now.>>732046530>valve is a monopoly>but its industry has several other major platforms
how does one man mindbreak people so hard
>>732048918I would be shocked if any of the epic shills are being genuine and aren't just on the payroll, but I do think at least one of the people bitching about gabe, the guy who always brings up yachts, is some kind of mindbroken commie
>>732024864This, the pcbro cope is hilarious. You can tell they're all zoomoids because they think what steam is doing is normal lmfao, back in the day I was copping AAA games on steam during sales for 2-5$, the idea being you're getting a digital subscription so you don't have to pay as much as for a physical copy . That's was steam's philosophy, now look more often than not you're paying more to not own a game LOL
>>732048908Can they? Have an example? The lawsuit is complaining they don't allow that.
>>732048918All you have to do is nothing, buy nothing, and the world screams.
>>732026887you got them made with this one, no constructive arguments on their part though, makes you seem like you're right hmmm
>>732049017Where in the TOS does it say you can't? Who has ever been told they can't when it wasn't a steam key? I've seen this email mentioned a few times, may I read it?
>>732049017I can buy a AAA game cheaper with steam keys
>>732027641Yep it's by all legal standards a monopoly, hope the courts ram em
>>732026887>this cattle and multiple other """typos""">>732049032>you got them madeOkay ranjeet, calm down, your esl posting is giving away your samefagging.
>>732049084>Yep it's by all legal standardspost these "legal standards" because it certainly doesn't fit the dictionary definition.
>>732049039It's not in the TOS, it's not official policy. It's an illegal strong-arm tactic through emails. If it's not the case it should be easy to find an EGS or GOG game cheaper than steam prices. >>732049054Steam reseller keys are a weird gray area. I wouldn't count those stores as legit.
>>732023941being too based
>>732031270The legal definition covers uncompetitive behaviour like steams, stop coping they're cooked and rightfully so lmao
>>732049167Anon, there are plenty of legit stores that sell steam keys for cheaper
>>732039537All because valve only wants to have like 300 employeesbuncha cheap fucks, and then half ass everything
>>732048908Devs are not allowed to set a price lower than what they have on Steam.
>>732049167>It's an illegal strong-arm tactic through emails.>>732049236>The legal definitionMay I see it?
>>732034198You are fucking retarded lmfao, many games do this. It's gaben trying to pull an apple and block one specific game from doing so.
I wonder who's funding this lawsuit...
>>732049267Surely you can show me where that's states in the TOS
>>732048519>anon you just don't get it even though you're right and there are games that steam doesn't get a cut of the micro transactions from I'm still going to insist on my schizo theory!Lol st ea mies everyone
>>732024791Apple already lost a similar case. Apps can now link externally and can charge 30% more to any retards that choose to spend directly in app, offsetting the apple tax.I don't know whether steam losing this case will have the same impact, but from a consumer perspective I don't see any downside. Games will either cost the same or less than today.
>>732049167Cyberpunk is currently $60 on Steam and $20 on GoG. Mindustry is $10 on Steam and free on itch.io
>>732049167>weird grey area>greenmangamingUh huh.And this has consistently been the case for steam keys of AAA games for years now. Launch price is cheaper there than on Steam.
>>732049280Says it goes beyond steam keyshttps://youtu.be/uy155lqDH5g?t=11m22s
>>732023189About time, fuck this fat fuck for killing physical pc games. Truly the own nothing meme dystopia
>>732049320That's the whole basis for the lawsuit, so we'll see if they have evidence to that end, but I doubt they would do a costly lawsuit if they didn't.
>>732049379That's a sale.
>>732035270>featuresLmao
>>732049430So we see a piece of what I assume is the initial email and a followup stating that the purpose of the email was to have a conversation with the dev about how to get steam's price down to the same level. Do we have access to the entire conversation they had, or are you just assuming valve is in the wrong despite the evidence not yet being released?>>732049532>so we'll see if they have evidence to that endCan't wait, the fags starting these threads talked about it like it the matter was already settled.
>>732049541And the second example?
>>732035884>when the only digital store that actually tried to monopolize the market was EpicSo far the only argument I've seen for this is "they give free games it's EVIL" lmfao while ignoring the actual evil shit steam does lmao
>>732049626The second example is not convenient for him and the thread is at bump limit, so he'll ignore you now.
>>732049628Epic pushes exclusivity agreements with their games, but of course you'll ignore that.
>>732049626Free is probably a separate matter. I'm not their lawyer though and they might be full of shit that's on the courts to decide. Glad Valve needs to defend its position though.
>>732027641>This is why despite the lower cut the same game on EGS was never cheaper.If Timmy actually wanted to lower prices, he could do it in a bazillion ways, for example, by giving a non-expiring, stackable coupon with every purchase. Boom: lower prices and an incentive to stay within the Epic ecosystem.
>>732032091>physical ownership is physical ownership...of the disk alone. Legally, it's no different from owning a digital license for what's on the disk.
>>732049623>Do we have access to the entire conversation they hadNo
>>732049859You can resell the physical disc. I've sold a couple of games for nearly full price last year. Used market is still strong on consoles.
>>732049884Then why* the fuck is anyone talking like they know anything about what's going on? Just wait to see what the court case reveals.*I know why.
>>732027641>jew cries about being unable to dominate the marketLike pottery
>>732049924Well, at least if you decide to skim the thread you know why it's going in circles.There's one clear cut rule about pricing, but that email is an anomaly, and it's no doubt because lawyers told him it's stupid to release his side of the argument publicly.
>>732045952>>732025116Valve is under the investigation of Polish Office of Competition and Consumer Protection, because of regional prices.Valve updated regional prices based on conversion rates from early 2022, in the exact moment Polish currency was at the absolute lowest. It quickly recovered, but now, for past 4 years, Polish has the 2nd most expensive prices on Steam, only behind the Swiss, since Valve did nothing to update the recommended prices, despite the pleads from gamers and mass campaigns.
