why are PvE andys so antagonistic towards PvP enjoyers?
PvP goys are gay sweaty esports faggots now so they can fuck off lol
>>732029604>game has PVP and PVE>gamers decide to play PVE>PVP_fags_monkey_screeching.mp4Every timeOh no you can't kill people who aren't interested in PVP. You have to fight other PVP faggots. The horror.
Because a max level try hard 3v3 pvper no lifer keeps ganking me when I'm trying to level in a starter zone and camping my corpse.
>>732029791>NO WAY HE BEAT ME RELAXED, HE UST SPEND 18 HOURS A DAY PLAYING ITS NOT FAIR NO WAY HE BEAT ME>>732029813lies PvE cattle tell themselves
>>732029604because pvp negatively affects pve but the other way around
>andysKill yourself.
>>732029936but not* the other way around
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>>732029604>Have to fight min-maxed sweat build from a player who only camps PvEnjoyers because he can't beat someone on an even playing field.Dark souls was probably the best example of this. Idk man I'm 27 now with a mortgage and job, go fight the other sweatlords in the ring of honour instead of waiting for my funny character I made while drunk with friends.
>>732029604because a lot of PvE players got shit on in PvP and went PvE only so their feelings dont get hurt
>>732030101yeah, true >>732030120>evil red man
>>732030120>Dark Bead'ing retards with my twink Good times
>>732029604Stfu esl eupoor
>>732029604The fact that dark souls 3 and elden ring were butchered by fromslop to cater specifically to PedoVsPedo players is infuriating. Nearly every weapon or spell that was nerfed is strictly due to reddit trannies screeching. Single player experiences are objectively ruined because of this I'd put money down if you got a bunch of reddit bots to complain about how OP the worst weapon in elden flop is, fromslop would nerf it within a month
>>732029604>andyAlright if we're just gonna start making up slang, i got one. Whenever something's really good i'm gonna call it "Grain"Like, "This shit's so grain." and "This has got an absolutely abundant amount of grain."It'll catch on. It'll be like the opposite of slop.
>>732030457It's livestreamer lingo
>732030167>parroting
>>732029889This post is a good example of what coping looks like
>>732029604>slight complaint about something in a PvP game>SKILL ISSUE YOURE JUST BAD LOL PVP GAME FAGGIT YOU SUCK GO BACK TO HELLO LITTY ISLAND no one likes pvpers
>>732030441>elden ringThe game changed for the first time to separated scaling between PvE and PvP and made it so you can't get invaded at all while solo unless you use an item, WTF are you on about?
>>732029604I really just want to shoot space rocks and build stuff. Every once in a while, someone comes in to my neck of the woods and demands a PvP fight... except as soon as I grab a ship for combat or some friends, they go and hide. Instead, we're now all sitting in the solar system in our U-boats for several hours doing nothing because someone who wanted PvP really didn't want that at all--they simply wanted to be disruptive to other players' enjoyment by threatening to pounce, but never doing so. It really just drags the game down for everyone.
Because most pvp players despite always hyping up being honorable or skilled, most often target weak or unsuspecting players, use every cheap trick or glitch/exploit possible and often are twinked to hell and back.
>>732030605>she doesnt know how to reply to posts
>>732031478ahh, shitting on xbox retards in sea of thieves was glorious
>>732030457Grain is literally slop you halfwit retard
>>732030441This was the story when I played world of warcraft. Forget which expansion it was where warlocks got nerfed into the ground because they were op in pvp but in a good spot in pve
>>732029604PvP often isn't very fun with online randos, and I don't like a lot of the baggage that comes with PvP design (FOMO slop, mostly).
seething pvp macaco
>>732032549>Look upon my works ye mighty, and despair
>"this is the true experience, it makes the world feel dangerous, pve is boring carebear mode!">look inside>high levels camping low level zones>nobody wants a fair fight, only one-sided ganks>basically just a server for psychopaths to grief each other nonstopno thanks, I'll have fun actually playing the game instead of dealing with autistic NEETs that just want to grief other people in a videogame
>>732029604>AV>spam "rush mid">brawlchads agree and join spam>rush mid>1hr 40v40 brawl>mfw mf is a coomface
>>732029604>be sea of thieves>work best when you and your friends are doing PVE and protecting your loot from other pirates>the entire game is balanced around player interaction being the depth of the game while the PVE is meant to be easy to do and complete >the entire community cries about PVP despite that being the selling point of the game>rare slowly ruins the game over the course of about 4 years from 2022 to now>every update is FOMO pve shit >after day 1 of the update its basically impossible to find meaningful PVP other than the hourglass mode>hourglass is filled with cheaters making it impossible to get a good streak going>game is worse than ever because rare catered to PVE faggotry over trying to engage PVEfags in the PVP aspects of the gameIm sure theres other examples but I cannot think of another game that dropped the ball that hard. Im sure half the team being gutted by Microsoft, twice, didnt help either. Ive got like 3k hours in the game and ive just become so disillusioned with ever playing it or engaging in new content again. I recognize im a top 1% player, but even before i reached that point I noticed this. Here's an idea to anyone making a PVEVP game, or any game, take what fans like into consideration, but also think about why they might now be engaging in the other aspects of the game, instead of just leaning into more of what these vocal players who dont stick around want. Fuck Microsoft for everytbing theyve done to Rare, they couldn't even put the Banjo games on PC so some fucking modders had to do it for them, and its still better than whatever half passed pc port they would've released.
>>732029604As long as we keep the PvP and PvE separate I'm happy.It's when you try to mix them together that it all turns to shit.
>>732033053pvp server forums are all full of complaining that they got ganked, as if there wasn't an alternative
pvp sweats when the developers take away their xp farm
>>732031843Slop is processed grain, broken up, tarnished, drowned, ruined. Grain is the unrefined source, pure and beautiful.
>>732030457whole wheat post
>>732031340Oh dear xir take my reddit gold! This completely justifies mutilating half the weapons and sorceries and incantations in the game even though only a small percentage of players even connect online at all! Praise the axe wound!
>>732029604>play PvP game>get constantly harassed by sweaty, competitive faggots because you have to know the meta and one super fucking specific tech to help win>have to play the game for half my life-time to actually be good at it and learn everything about it>have maybe one actually good game where there's banter and genuine teamwork>PvP mode ruins the PvE mode where applicable>get one update that "ruins" the game and PvPers fucking scream like high functioning autists because it messes up their one-trick pony setupPvP, especially comp players, are faggots. Fuck you.
>>732034027whole wheat poasters gtfo my board.you are filthy and disgusting
>>732029604Only time I see people complain (rightfully) about pvp fags is if a game forces it. At the end of the day it's always some autistic retard angry that others dont want to waste their time.I'm pretty sure it's the same people who whine about sbmm because they just want to fuck up people who are worse than them.
>>732034265you will NEVER have delicious cracked grains
>>732034216>Nerf Hoarfrost stomp on week one, not becuase it's used at all in PvP, but because it cheeses the game hard>THOSE DAMN PVPERSStupid cunt, they balanced the game several time because they didn't want you to be too strong in PvE, that has nothing to do with PvP
>>732034240name one game that is like this. any example
>PvP troons ACKing and bitching that ARC raiders implemented an aggression based matchmaking
>>732034427CS2, Overwatch, Marvel Rivals, Tarkov, most newer Fromsoft games, WoW, ESO. Just think of any game in your peanut brain that has PvP.
>>732029604It's the only fight they think they can win
>>732034692no one even cares queer they're adding that. makes it easier to spot the insecure ones afraid of contact with other players lol.
>>732029604because pvp has ruined every game its been implemented in
>>732029604PvE players have low testosterone, no drive to improve themselves or compare themselves to others. The fear of not being adequate or mockery causes them to live sheltered gaming lives, never subjecting themselves to tough experiences that would allow them to learn the meaning and joy of competition. I'd say the main reasons for the hostility towards PvP players is a fragile ego and a fear of breaking it.
>>732037701Yup this is me. Been a sore loser all my life, so I just avoid all competition completely
>>732029604They're huge softy little bitches. >>732029889This>>732030120>delusionsAny good PvP build also stomps PvE you worthless scrubby little noob bitch.
>>732029604Most Pvpers play matchmaking which is for subhumans.
>>732037701Incredibly based and true
>>732029604Every game I have ever played that tried to cater to both inevitably becomes much worse because of muh PvP fags being the loudest cunts on the internet until they get catered to and then the game dies because all the people they were farming quit and PvP fags don't actually want to interact with each other.
>>732034265Motherfucker is probably a barley enjoyer. Us Oat gOats are the real ones!
>>732037701I just do my PvP and PvE in separate games.People who want to PvP in a PvE game are immoral griefers who derive enjoyment from hurting others.They don't want a challenging or fair fight. They want to camp and gank.That can hardly be called PvP. It's more like getting mugged.
>>732037701thanks based LLM
>>732029604PvP is fun when you get players who actually want to PvP, but often that's not the case. "PvPers" tend to be spineless niggerfaggots with no interest in a direct conflict, they just want an easy win by hitting you when you're unaware, or raiding your base when you're offline. An actual fight is fun, a lopsided stomp isn't, regardless of who's doing the stomping.
>>732041036I think the big problem with pvp games is it incentivices winning rather than playing the game.
>>732041205The more impactful winning is in a PvP game, the more the players will cheat and gank like bitches.This is why you should avoid mixing PvP with PvE. Because it just incentivizes people to be cunts.And the PvE elements also bog down the PvP elements. Now instead of getting straight into the fight you have to grind resources or something.
>>732040663PvPvE games are a lot more interesting because a lot more things can happen than in a regular PvP game with strict rules, they often have far greater consequences for dying than a 10 second respawn timer, this risk/reward factor makes them way more exciting to people with balls.
>>732041036lol stomping newbs in hillsbrad was fun as fuck you dumb kook. It could start a server wide war. Only pussy snowflakes wine about pvp when they play a pvp game or join a pvp server. Dorks like you can feel free to larp as a gay bunny on the rp servers if you don’t like it. The real problem is profit driven devs listening to jabronis like you.
>>732030120Invading weaklings in early dark souls was some of the most fun in gaming. And it’s fun because you went through it too.
>>732030457i had a pretzel bun for my hamburger today. was great
>>732037701This is all that needs to be said.
>>732029604Sore lowers. You can tell because most of the people complaining always cry about how everybody is abusing glitches and are 'tryhards' with 10k hours snorting adderall as if thats what's needed to be better than them. People who actually just prefer PvE will simply say so instead of coping and seething. Sore losers will throw a fit and insult the people that beat them.
>>732041586>they often have far greater consequencesAnd that's the problemSee >>732041513The risk/reward just makes everyone into ganking fuckwads. Nobody wants to risk their gear in a fair fight, so they use bitch tactics. Like pretending to be friendly and then shooting you in the back.
>>732029604PvP can coexist with PvE.PvE cannot coexist with PvP.
>>732029604PvE isn't fun or engaging and you prove nothing to no one by playing it. It's equivalent to hiding in a hole while the alpha chads go clubbing. Even losing a PvP game is better than playing PvE because it shows a drive for competition and to prove yourself to others. I play PvP because I know I'm better than the top 99% of gamers and I want to show off my very real skills>>732037701This.
>>732042040Nothing lost nothing gained, a hollow experience. PvP only games turn into a soulless grind by themselves because nothing you do really matters beyond a few points in a ranking system.If players have something tangible to fight over then it becomes a different story entirely, you would understand this if you had balls.
>>732042385That’s why it’s important to pve enjoying npcs to bank
>>732029604I think the whole 'pvp players are subhumans' sentiment that I have seen in Elden Ring and Arc Raiders is really unhinged. I don't play too much PVP these days though because (1) it is too much like crack cocaine to me and I just end up sweating the Ranked system rather than enjoying the game and (2) the cheater problem is unironically really bad on PC, and there is a whole cottage industry to basically gaslight you into believing that is not the case, when I can tell you from my own BTS research, it is very much real. Ironically, I have seen very little cheating in Arc Raiders because the population is still FOTM Care Bears, but I have no doubt it will get much worse over time.
>>732042484Seeing Arc Raiders players immediately convinced me that it's probably a very good idea to force your kids to play a sport when they're young. Niggas are insane. I genuinely thought it was just some schizos on here until I saw screencaps of the reddit. It's crazy seeing people act like they're the normal, healthy ones as they lose their minds and start accusing people of being sociopaths for shooting them in a PvP game.
>>732042385There's nothing more hollow and honorless than ganking.A real man fights to improve himself and feel the pride of a hard won fight.Shooting someone in the back to steal their money is niggardly behavior.
>>732029604PvE andys don't play PvP games so they shouldn't care what PvP enjoyers do at all. In the case they intentionally expose themself to PvP, they're masochists and get what they deserve
>>732042805Unironically yes. Even though I try to avoid games like this these days, I don't understand how they don't understand the thrill of being forced to engage in PVP when all your loot is on the line, or ganking someone for all the marbles. To call someone who wants to PVP a sociopath is a mentality I don't understand.
>>732029604PvP has this issue where the community is generally an off-shoot of the main community, while also being isolated. So you have this culture that is completely disparate and doesn't mesh well with everything else. It's rare for it to be the other way around. PvP centric games generally don't have a PvE scene that clashes.
>>732042825How do you know if you're a honorable man if you don't subject yourself to games where people can act without honor? You only think you're honorable because you were railroaded into it, play a game without restrictions and test yourself, that's what a real man would do.
you want real pvp, play a MUD with full loot. fuck I wish hellmoo was still around. nothing like making people cry and bitch because they got their head cut from corpse
>>732029604I like both, but I hate when fags try to drag PvE shit into an established PvP game. It always ends up hurting the content flow of the PvP game.
>>732029604pve players take losing way worse than pvpers to the point they mentally shutdown when they die. its perfectly acceptable to have problems with pvp but to outright call for its removal means youre spineless and cant compete.
>>732030120>Guy release a mod that disable invasion>non stop crying for years from PVPfags that can't kill easy preys and have to fight actual players that can fight back and kill themGlorious
>>732029604PvPers always make damn sure to make their game as unenjoyable as possible to PvE players and then complain that no one wants to play with them.It's the reason why she never liked you as well btw.
>>732033383that's momoi
>play PvP during the fist year of a game's lifespan>everyone is still figuring things out and experimenting>game is actually fun>flashforward years after the game's release and everyone is now a sweatlord abusing game mechanics and using meta equipment exclusivelyIt's a shame that this is the fate of every single game with PvP
>PVPfags:>"gitgud PVEfaggots l2play ur fookin scrub">also PVPfags>premade save downloaded from nexus, maximum upgraded weapons, tweaked levels and cheat engine to top if off>will literally lose to anyone with more than 10 hours in the game so they just camp the starting area if they don't have their cheats on at all times>will complain about ANYTHING that slight inconvenience themdo PVPfags really?
>>732029604>look at most popular steam games>all pvpnice gaslight
>>732043527My first experience with Dark Souls PvP was a faggot invading in the early game, crushing me with a busted build and I ended up becoming a PvP enjoyer.The mod kinda ruined the game because it allows players to stay in their own little PvE-bubble without ever interacting with the PvP systems, robbing the playerbase of a lot of potential PvP enjoyers. The queues on the vanilla client are also a lot less active as a result, it's a shame really.
>>732043018>Playing a game where it has a random chance of making lose all your loot which and hundreds of hours of progress is thrillingSounds like gambling addiction to me
>>732043527>Unique aspect of DaS invasions is being able to join somebody's in progress game and fight alongside the AI>Surprised that people who like this are upset when people can disable it so they're way more likely to run into players that have already cleared the area and are just hunting them like a more standard PvP gameI feel like you're being willfully ignorant of why people enjoy invasions if you dont see how that can make the game less enjoyable for them outside of added challenge. I say that as someone that doesn't even own ER and hasn't played a Souls game since co-oping 3 with some friends, for the record.
>>732044146My first experience with Dark Souls PvP was a faggot invading in the early game, crushing me with a busted build and I ended up becoming a PvP hater and I'll shit on every PVPfag that want to force it on everyoneSo get fucked and cry more about losing your easy preys
>>732042484Honestly ever since I switched from console to PC PvP games became literally impossible to enjoy. I used to enjoy shooters on consoles but on PC there are so many unemployed motherfuckers and stealth cheaters it's insane.
>>732044268nta but thats why im fine with secureboot and tpm slopobviously it won't stop every cheater, but games that have it have far less cheaters and games that have it AND aren't using UE5 have the least amount of cheaters possible since they can't just recycle their hacks from other UE5 games
>>732043983>>732043948a simple solution, make the invaders take control of one of the PvE monsters in the levelbalanced and fun for everyonebut we both know you are going to get fucked even with if the invader has massive disadvantage because you just suck
>>732044375Mindjack did that and it was great
>>732044242Another reason why the mods are awful, it enables a whole group of secondaries into the series with expectations that are completely out of whack. You should have been filtered and never come back when you realized that the game wasn't made for you, now you'll just keep coming back demanding they cater to you instead of the audience the games were actually made for.
>>732044713I'm literally just not doing anything and it's making you go insane because you can't try to kill me, it's glorious.Get help
>>732029604PvE has gotten so many great replayable games like DRG and Helldivers and they still insist on turning every PvP game like Rivals or whatever into PvE slop ASAP.
>>732029604...are you insinuating PVP online multiplayer games are not over-saturated right now?
>>732029813Tera private servers were this times 10 cause theyre dead as shit lmao
>>732044792>SAVE DADDY DEVELOPER AAAAAA I'M SCARED, SYSTEM MOMMY PROTECT ME!!!!You wouldn't survive even a day in a real dungeon.
>>732029604>"""""""""pvp""""""""" ((((((hardcore))))) players>exclusively steamroll pve casuals in ultra-easy matches>but insist they aren't casaals
>>732029604Why are PvP trannies constantly shitting out failed products? Your games all die. Ours are eternal.
>>732044901Well yes, it's why I'm not going into a real dungeon but for some reason it's driving you up the walls.Maybe you'd be happier if joined PVP with a stack of cheats instead of doing my own thing?You know what, I'll do just that next time I boot the game.
>Elden Ring webms>Look at the thumbnail>Raptor cloakI know who you are, lil gup.You lost btw
That Dune MMO amusingly enough had PVP die when when the devs told PVP players to fight each other. The second PVEfags stopped going to the PVPVE area, PVPfags all stopped going too because they hated playing with other PVPfags.
>>732044863There are way more PvE games but you don't see them on the charts because people don't play them for very long unlike PvP games.
>PvP "chad">Look inside>400 ping>third world flag on the profile
>>732044902it's very funny that you never ask for balance and always just ask for pvp to be removed insteadbe both know that minmaxer are just an excuse>>732044969you are a herbivore games, despite being privative and limited, still model real life well, because participants are humans in both casesinstead of accepting the challenge head on and practicing in a safe environment, you piss your pants and cry for helpwhat are you going to do if the daddy developer in game or the daddy government irl are not there to protect you? i'll tell you what you are going to do, you are going to just die. miserably and it's completely fair, because you are weak
>>732045068It didn't help that the PvP in that game sucked ass
>>732045068>pvpfags crying that pve players dont want to pvp>The entirety of pvp in DUNC was you hovering in your copter waiting to shoot rockets at anybody that landed>Then you'd thumper their gear and fly back up and wait again>There was zero melee pvp or gun based pvp
I remember the hardest possible challenge in SoT was the second co-op Merrick missions. First one you had was the Megalodon hunt where you needed to get a whole two crews to co-operate to do a quest and fight a boss together. This one wasn't so bad because at least the PvP mode was still alive and the game was still new so players hadn't learned to be as paranoid and twitchy with one another.The second one was the biggest dick move, an instanced co-op mission where both teams needed to complete their objectives to open a gate. By this point though both PvP modes were dead so this quick PvE mission with no rewards basically became the new PvP queue for as long as it was up.>PvE player joins instance looking to complete the mission and see the story>Co-op partner immediately starts shooting you in the back>Kill co-op partner>"Oh dear, your co-op partner is dead, here's your new one">New co-op partner immediately starts shooting you in the backMakes you wonder where all these people were in the actually PvP queue
>>732045117>I'LL BE THE MAD MAX BANDIT RAPIST WARLORD WHEN LAWS DON'T EXISTYou are literally proving the point that pvp CHUDDIES are bullies that need some sort of power to attack others.
Overt focus on PvP is what kills all decent RTS games these days
>>732045117PVP is all about killing people that can't defend themselves, just know that the next time you see a cheater, you are that one that created it by being such a bitch.
>>732045068>because they hated playing with other PVPfagsWhy are they like this? I've even tried to engage with pvp players willingly in black desert, on the pvp server, but they only ever want to gank pve players with less gear and will straight up ignore you or run away if they see that you actually know how to combo and stay protected and have roughly equal gear.
>>732045209to protect your dignity, you need strength and running away from the challenge is not how you build strength
Why is this whole thread about Souls games and MMOs that always have dogshit PvP? Why is no one talking about actual competitive modes and games?
What I don't get is people complaining that their time was wasted when they die after some dude shoots them or invades them. Like, if your first thought after getting sent to a loading screen was that the last twenty minutes were a waste then you don't enjoy the game you're playing.
>>732045117>privativeprimitive*
>>732045329I mean, the OP is pretty clearly for PvPvE games. This board is also just full of giga casuals that know nothing else and get completely filtered by anything competitive.
>>732045218>PVP is all about killing people that can't defend themselvesAnd why are you unable to defend yourself?Cheaters are cucks, they don't win their their own skill despite the limits imposed by the system, they let the computer win for them while they just watch.
I just want darkscape back
>>732045549>PVP>Skilllmao, you're killing noobs that have no equipment with end game loot because you can't actually fight people with skill
>>732045329Because these games are easy to cheese and exploit or require time investment to get an advantage. Its mostly people with false bravado.
>>732033759>pvp players call pve players babies>pvp player gets killed by a group of gankers>pvp player cries on the forums about having a pvp experiencePvP players are the biggest sacks of crying shit in gaming history. None of them want a fair fight. Even in arena pvp they only pick the OP meta comps because they don't actually want to be good at pvp, they just want free wins for minimal effort.
>>732029604They're both utterly insufferable faggot tribes.>hurr care bears>hurr sweatsIf you're incapable of enjoying both PvP and PvE on their own merits, you classify as an NPC. Fucking embarassing kind of people.
what the fuck is an andy
>>732040294>Wahhhhhh mommy the bad man just wants to play his video game with the message system and not have to deal with xXx_poopfeast420Seriously you pvp fags have to bitch and moan about everything
>>732029604Because PvE players think that PvP is "disrupting" their experience, even when it's an intended part of the game's multiplayer. See Dark Souls, Elden Ring, Dark & Darker, Arc Raiders. Even if you were prompted with a flashing pop-up reading>PVP IS AN INTENDED PART OF THIS GAME'S MULTIPLAYER, AND BY PLAYING IT YOU ARE CONSENTING TO PVPevery time you play, some people would still find a way to perform the necessary mental gymnastics to label PvP-leaning players as serial baby rapists who shoot up schools in their spare time.
>>732040390>only attacks people who are in combat with an enemyTypical pvp'er. Too scared to fight someone in a fair setting because they might lose.
>>732045662Shitter cope. Why are you crying about the existence of the pvp itself and not about balance?Real pvp'er find no enjoyment in crashing weaklings into dirt, there is no thrill in that. Subhumans who kill street animals during childhood and might find that shit enjoyable are a tiny minority.
>>732045329>Esports?
>>732029604>pvptards are so engrossed they even imagine people out to get themI almost admire it.
>>732045549>And why are you unable to defend yourself?Because they use ganking tactics that can't be defended against proactively.They might target low level players, use groups to guarantee victory with numbers, ambush players to deal a ton of damage up front, or pretend to be friendly so they can lower your guard.Here's a potential solution I just thought of.Give players a PvP shield that makes you immortal to PvP damage for 5 seconds after you're shot or until you shoot someone else.That way the ganker doesn't get a ton of free damage up front and the defender has time to switch to PvP mode and locate his attacker.This wouldn't help with everything, but it's better than nothing.
>>732045931Glad you agree that the PVP balance is garbage, which is why everyone just turn it off unless they want to do PVP.
>>732046062>NO MISTER TIGER DON'T AMBUSH AND EAT ME, I'M JUST TRYIG TO EAT BERRIES HERE IN PEACEYour problem is that you are weak and trying to run away from the challenge instead of facing and overcoming it head on like a real man.
I have never seen a PvP-focused game with a happy fanbase, they all hate the game, and most people hate PvE games too but these guys really, really hate them
>>732033290the biggest problem with pvp in Sea of Thieves is that 90% of the people who engage in it do it not for the loot or because they enjoy it, but for the sole purpose of wasting other people's time and pissing them off
>>732046104Or how about just fixing the balance so we can have more fun?Do you really enjoy killing those braindead cpu enemies? Don't you find that pathetic?
>>732046147>max level player with BiS gear attacks lvl 10 noob with garbage gear>"just overcome the challenge"PvP players really are mentally retarded.
>>732046197Guess what, I'm not a game dev so I can't change the fucking game. You do it if you're so smart.
>>732046225>>max level player with BiS gear attacks lvl 10 noob with garbage gearNobody defends that. People want fair pvp. PVPers are even fine being at disadvantage.You are against PVP in principle, so just stop coping with absurd examples.
>>732046267The devs can't even try when you retards cry "NO PVP AT ALL" non-stop.
>>732046334>blaming the players for your failuresHello mr Ubisoft
>>732044863people say there's tons of co-op games or whatever else coming out but there isn't, it's all singleplayer or pvpslop
>>732046393Do you really think anon is an actual high level Ubisoft employee? Genuinely curious to know how you came to that conclusion.
>>732046417I think that's called a joke, autismo.
>>732046417He's dumb enough to be CEO of Ubisoft yes
>>732033290The really shit part is I think everybody would actually enjoy the PVP if boarding ships wasn't so fucking easy. The ship to ship combat is fucking awesome, but all it takes is one teenaged nigger shooting himself out of a cannon and we're playing a dog shit version of halo instead of a fun ass pirate game.
>>732046417How brown are you?
>>732045931ya it's such a small number, which is why every person that has ever played a game that has world pvp has experienced getting ganked by an ESL.
>>732046147it's a video game you gay retard.
>>732046062Part of the skill and even fun for a lot of people in a lot of games is not letting themselves be drawn into an unfair fight and instead putting their opponent into one. Some games reward particularly degenerate strategies, like letting a high level player fight people that literally cant touch him, but insisting every fight be fair is removing a big part of the strategy and what makes each match feel unique. Nobody would play CS if it was just an aim map with no utility.
>>732046537Overcoming challenge, player agency and possibility of failure might as well be the definition of a video game, retard
>>732033290Nice fantasy write-up lil gup.I notice you left out the part where all the PvPfags literally don't care about any of the loot or anything that the other players earn from the PvE portion of the game, and that they only thing they're concerned about is hounding that singular boat so they can't do ANYTHING until they server hop.You also didn't mention that for the longest time you were fighting against adderall addicted niggers that ran double gun setups so they could hop around like crackheads and abuse the dogshit netcode to spawn camp you on your own boat, because once you got boarded if they even TOUCHED the anchor you were fucked (and hitting the anchor was piss easy).
>>732046305>Nobody defends that.
>>732046615Most people on this board now dont care about any of that. They just want something braindead to zone out to after they get off work like a boomer watching game shows.
>>732046649Show me one person in this thread you unironically defends that.
>>732029604Same reason a rabbit would be antagonistic against a hawk.
>>732046674Me.If you didn't want to get killed you should have been more careful lol.
>>732046674>youwho*
>>732046721What's fun in killing something that can't even resist? It's just gross.
>>732046606CS is pure PVP and somewhat balanced, it's why no one is talking about it. If you're playing it, it's to shoot people.Shit like dark soul and every single PVPVE game is about getting swarmed by niggers before you understand how to play the game or get enough loot or skill to be able to react. If they made a pure PVP arena you can bet that it would be dead because they don't want to play on even ground.To take CS as an example, it would be like if the entire enemy team spawned with $100 000, full equipment and all you're alone on your team with $0 and a pistol. You can be sure that the game would be die instantly
>>732046761It's funny
>>732046803How many monkey torture videos did you watch?
>>732046780>To take CS as an example, it would be like if the entire enemy team spawned with $100 000, full equipment and all you're alone on your team with $0 and a pistol. You can be sure that the game would be die instantlyBut imagine actually winning that. They had all advantage in the world yet you still won. There is nothing more exciting than that.
>>732046834None, only pvp montages with scatman in the bgm
>>732046912If you win that mean the entire enemy team is retarded and no better than easy bots, and you can already play against easy bots
>>732046959Or you are just that good. You see, it's all about the worldview. You are a herbivore, so the idea of overcoming all odds and winning doesn't even cross your mind.
If you like PvPvE I just have to assume you're a nigger or at least have the soul of a nigger. Ever since I killed some twinking faggot by abusing the range on the pike in DS1 and he sent me hatemail for killing him before he could 1 shot me with a pyromancer spell I knew you were all niggers. What kind of faggot actually WANTS uneven fights in a PvP game? You are unironically a gang-craving, fat lipped spear chucker if you actually like this shit. Please join the crips or bloods irl and shoot yourselves and your nigger mother's instead of having a sense of fair play like all the white people with taste
>>732029604Because they are shitters. Watch any clips posted by a pver complaining about something bullshit that happened to them in pvp and you will see them do everything wrong.
>>732047041Jesus you sound like one of those internet alpha fags who try to sell their self-help classes
>>732047119And you sound like a beta cuck who let other people fuck his wife.
>>732047041>I'm so good I can kill an entire team of the best players in the world by myself eyes closed with nothing but a shoestringLmao, you're like that kid in the school yard thinking he's goku
>>732047150I let other people fuck my wife, because fucking my wife isn't increasing my profit revenue. It's a waste of time. While I'm fucking her I could be out there grinding, earning money, increasing my net worth.
>>732047150Don't half of you alpha fags have a history of being cucks?
>>732047154Overcoming impossible odds is the men's idea of romance. If you don't find that attractive, you don't have balls.
>>732029604PvParasite mad af
>>732046225No one defends PvP systems like WoW's PvP. Well, actually, they do, but they don't defend ganking. Contrast WoW PvP with something like Elden Ring invasions:The invader:>is subject to a matchmaking formula that matches them with players who are higher level and have a higher weapon upgrade level>has their healing resources halved>cannot use great runes>can prepare for PvP>can use enemies against the host and his summons, but enemies' effectiveness varies greatly and there are many instances in which there are no enemies to useThe host:>has a level and weapon level advantage over the invader, typically>has access to their full healing resources>can use great runes for significant buffs like 5 free levels in every stat or +30% HP>can prepare for PvP, but can be caught unprepared>will always have 1-2 allies when the invader spawns, and can replace fallen allies by either automatically summoning infinite blue phantoms on a cooldown, or manually summoning gold phantoms with no cooldown>can deny the invader healing resources by severimg phantomsPassword phantoms:>can be any level, ignoring matchmaking>will be "downscaled", but downscaling ignores many attributes like defense, equipment weight, stat requirements, and damage and status build-up scaling>have their healing resources halved>cannot use great runesYou can create a system where the player who wants to PvP has to hurl themselves into what would be considered a "gank" in any other game, and the PvE players will STILL find a way to make themselves the victims. They're just fundamentally opposed to the idea of PvP and refuse to engage with it, even when they're explicitly consenting to it.
>>732046615>getting ganked>challengelol fucking pvp niggers
Reminds me of EVE.There was a mechanic that was solely used for seal clubbing. Had to be gutted because the 'scrappy new players overcoming the bullies' was a fairytale, when people are forced to get shitstomped they eventually ask themselves why they're bothering to log in when they can go play something else.
>>732046780Like I said, I think fighting people who literally don't have the equipment to possibly kill you even if they play measurably better is degenerate. I was thinking more along the lines of extraction shooters, particularly as he was mentioning shooting for most of his post, where you very much can overcome a loot disadvantage and where choosing your engagements and not letting them be chosen for you is a skill and helps make things thrilling. In fact, the games work in no small part because a better geared player cannot guarantee a fair fight either.>If they made a pure PVP arena you can bet that it would be dead because they don't want to play on even ground.I haven't really played Souls games since DaS but dueling was fairly popular in that. The actual arena was dead but that was purely because of genuine issues with it while the area right outside always had red signs down for PvP. /vg/ also used to host fightclubs that were just people dueling too.
>>732047224yea you can dream about fighting gods but actually believing you can beat odds that are by definition, impossible, is pure mental illness.
>>732029604>twitch speakopinion discarded
>>732047328herbivore skill issue
>>732047053Holy shit, nigga, it's a video game calm down. You don't need to get that upset over dying.
>>732047263People also act as if all the weapons, skills, and spells that are good in PvP magically do not exist in co-op'ers games. As if every single infant Rivers of Blood ARC build doesn't have Reduvia 10 minutes after starting the game, letting them spam Reduvia blood blade, a skill that's so strong in a 2v1 that simply forces the 1 to stop playing until it stops being spammed.
>>732029851In what game? You completely fabricated that happening
>>732047310yea extraction shooters are closer to get it right though I'd argue Battle Royale get it even more right, assuming it's not one of those games where you build a base for months and have it burned to the ground and essentially just resetting your account. Nothing wrong if it's what you enjoy but most people won't.
>>732029604because you cant stop ruining fun games with esports faggotry
>>732047224I'm not hardcore enough to shoot screeching children with a bow to steal their AKs or whatever you people do in rust, I'll leave the real gaming to you. Pic related it's literally you
>>732042385Dark souls invasions are a very interesting mechanic and I think its overall a good thing but I kind of agree that it seems that most PvP players just want to get on and bully PvE players. I understand that theres a degree of expression thats available in PvPvE games but usually the gameplay just isnt interesting enough to pull me in to the multiplayer parts to begin with. Thats why I'd rather just play fighting games than do souls game PvP. But I'm not generally gonna shy away from being invaded unless im really not in the mood in which case I'll jump off a cliff and just give the invader whatever little item they get for killing me.
>>732047354I don't play these games, they suck ass. It's gay and it sucks and you're a retard for enjoying it. It should not be a mystery why this shit attracts maladjusted teenagers like flies
>>732047692Pathetic.
>>732047695I think you have to consider that most people just don't get as upset over video games as you and most of this thread do. So they don't mind dying in an unfair fight.
>>732029604I love the game Rust. Interesting locations, interesting art style, interesting building and crafting mechanics, all kinds of neat shit in it.There's dangerous wild life, dangerous NPCs like helicopters, tanks, soldiers, and armed scientists. Dangerous obstacles like failing to parkour in a monument, starvation, dehydration, and bleeding out. There's all this danger and challenge in Rust, but beside that, it's a very interesting game and I love all of that stuff.Now, on top of all that danger, add 200 sociopaths with sniper rifles. You're naked with a rock, they're decked out in good gear, 200 meters away, armed with a sniper rifle, and they're bored. Oh and there's 200 of them, on a tiny island. That makes the game a miserable experience. Oh yay I just spent an hour collecting all this wood, let's build my bas-*dead*.That just isn't fun to me. Life is already full of sociopaths that will kill my cat, fuck my girlfriend, and lie about me to my boss just to get a promotion, I don't need that in a video game. Thankfully there's PVE servers, so the sociopaths can play with each other, and I can experience the stuff I like about Rust unimpeded.>lol u suckYou're right, I suck.
>>732040294>"heh, you have no choice but to die after i use cheat engine to complete my build at a low level">'WAIT WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T WANNA PLAY WITH ME ANYMORE? FUCKING PVE FAGS"c'mon now
>>732029813spbp, pvpfags just want mindless noobs to kill and always have.
>>732047909he was doing no damage to you, it was easily winnable
if pvpers want pvp why don't they play strictly pvp games? like you got soulsfags looking down on people who don't want to be invaded yet will NEVER pick up a fighting game.
>>732029604>people who are good at PVP suck at PVE>people are are good at PVE suck at PVPLmmmmmmmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>732047947if you actually played elden ring pvp you would know this was unwinnable from the get go
>>732048004name 1 game where pve is harder than pvp
>>732041036>An actual fight is fun, a lopsided stomp isn'tstomping any nigger you set your eyes with sprezzatura is the platonic ideal of gitting gud, and the natural progression of mastery
>>732048026200 hours pvp'ing on release, i would have won that easily
>>732047953What makes you think they don't? Why does everybody on the internet now always just assume all sorts of shit about any group they disagree with? And maybe people play PvPvE games because the vE part adds a unique experience.
>>732048068you know he can just keep stunning you through your roll with the sleep bolts and get free damage, right?
>>732043948Every first person medieval combat game like Chivalry or Mordhau. Once the 9000 DPI blender drags start happening, the game should fucking die.
>>732048125just force face trade, you had enough mana to carian slicer spam after 1 sleephe needs to reload after every shot
>>732037701>joy of competitionthere is no competition, it's faggots donkeypunching each other in the back of their heads then trying call you weak for not participating in their brain damage
The same people here that seethe and cry about PvE players are the same ones making those threads throwing a tantrum that people set their status to invisible or away on steam
>>732047953its fun to hunt noobs
>>732048203Just stop talking. You've learned literally nothing in 200 hours of PvP.
>>732048270But I was winning non-stop. Even against 1v3 ganks.
>>732048253most honest anon ITT
>>732047809It's inherently less interesting as an interaction, and sucks to play compared to games with clearer rules. I'm shitposting because this thread sucks. Advantage/disadvantage only feels interesting when both parties are on the same page. It takes all the mind games that I actually enjoy interacting with out of the equation more often when one player is unaware or preoccupied with something else. Many PvPvE enjoyers post like they're mentally unwell and I wanted to get a rise out of themSee:>>732047224>>732047041
>>732048302
>>732048242they want easy, unsuspecting targets. they'd shit their pants full if they ever had to face others in a fair fight
>>732048315mhhhh, someone is seething and coping with his lack of skillgrow some balls, sister
>from software doubled down on invasions but got rid of the soft PvP mechanics like Gravelording and World Tendencyvicariously fucking over other players via PvE is an underused idea, I hope duskbloods has something like this.
>>732045262Because pvpfags are developmentally disabled faggots who get off on winning at all costs and don't care about fun or sportsmanship
>>732043948This is when the devs need to step in and destroy the autistic meta and fix any bullshit blatant bug abuse. When sweats start screaming about "emergent gameplay" just ignore them and tell them to go kill themselves
>>732029604Because back in the day almost every single game had a PVE component; either an entire singleplayer story/campaign, or bot support for MP modes.With the overall "streamlining" of modern games generally (read: cheapening and enshitifying), one of the many things cut from recent titles, are those two aforementioned features.Your meme image is essentially backwards but it's likely you knew that, as this is /v/ and therefore holds a min. 85% chance of being bait.
>>732048125your bloodhound step, sis?
>>732047053Incredibly based and >>732047354 is just the type of coon you describe
>>732048495then you get the blizzard approach of nerfing fun things into the ground and buffing unfun things so much that the entire experience is made worse for everyone overall
>>732048559Based, must be why I like Overwatch 2.
>>732048559not the same because the sweats are the ones asking for the fun things to get nerfed into the ground to reinforce their gay meta
>>732048036My friend loves PVP shooters but couldn't even use the radial menu in Monster Hunter World. He also couldn't handle Haz 5 in DRG. Yet in a PVP FPS game he's like a spec-ops commando.
>>732048395You post like a EWO fag from GTA Online
>>732029604It's not the PvE crowd who is antagonistic.It's the PvP crowd, they treat every social interaction as PvP with a winner and a loser and think they need to look tough all the time.>>732029936Also this.Balancing for PvP ruin game for PvE but not the other way around.When you play PvE you accept playing a role for the team, so unit/class have a lot of variation.Those who play PvP only care about their personal score, so unit/class are made to aim for equal K/D ratio.
>>732048624>me good you bad reddit newfag "meme"yawn
>>732048624>It's not the PvE crowd who is antagonisticSays the guy with an image at the ready to insult PvP players.
>>732048603hate to break it to you anon, but the loudest people get catered to the most. and that usually means the sweats. and if they're not, they then get on youtube and drum up a collective of retards who hang on their every word to force an artificial consensus that the fun things need to be nerfedsee tf2
>>732048695I cant believe they're trying to get fucking sniper nerfed now.
>>732048624You say this and then post 1 out of a million pictures created by PvEfags to claim to be above the PvP community. If you weren't antagonistic and narcissistic you wouldn't have created so many hostile low quality memes.
>>732044146>le mod le fucked the queuesthere's a lot of people who played without internet nigga, mostly on console but I sandboxed dark souls so I wouldn't get interrupted
>>732048752i'm glad valve doesn't even bother with the game anymore besides collecting money from the retards. actually listening to the community outside of releasing the sdk has been nothing but a disaster
>>732029604go fight other pvp fags and stop caring what pve players think?
>>732044146if they installed the mod, they weren't pvp enjoyers to begin with
>>732047263truth nuke
>>732046305>People want fair pvp.Funniest post in the entire thread. Gold star buddy.
>>732043151>PvP ""chad"" jumping to destroy the pyramid the PvE crafter builtI guess that sum up why PvP ruin nice things
>>732044146>The mod kinda ruined the game because it allows players to stay in their own little PvE-bubble without ever interacting with the PvP systems, robbing the playerbase of a lot of potential PvP enjoyers.the ones who actually want to pvp will pvpthe ones who don't will continue playing the modit's a win-win that you and people like you cannot tolerate for some reason
>>732048930Where is the lie? Creatures who want to stomp noobs are not people.
the worst pvp gamers are just kind of ignorant for the most part i feel like. like to be a "PVP gamer" in general you have to have some kind of big aggressive ego but to STAY a pvp gamer you have to get it shattered and be okay with that. the worst pve gamers are actually delusional. feels like there's always a wounded pride deep in there explaining why they always jump to seethe about pvp anything. develop this victim complex over it
>>732048931Things you can't protect are not truly yours.
>>732048963they have no agency irl so they pretend to have it in video games
>>732043527That wasn't why people got the mod for elden ring. People just wanted to play seamlessly with friends, which should have been done in the first place.
>>732048936nta but i think it's a good thing for people to be forced to engage with pvp content sometimes in a game like that. in demon's souls that was the entire point, if you want to stay human and have your full health bar you have to contend with red phantoms. made getting invaded tense and exciting cuz you weren't looking for trouble but you got it. if you have to opt in to getting robbed it's just not the same.
>>732044375That sound smart as an idea but PvE monster are fun because they have in-setting organic flaws meant to give them a personality.If you are fighting a big dumb cyclop who is meant to have the host-player exploit his temper (or cooldown), it won't do if the invader-player turn him into an average-IQ cyclop who read a guide online on how to effortlessly win.You'd force all monster to be balanced for PvP making it a shit gameplay.
is this thread about aggression based match making?
/v/ is full of zoomer alpha toddlers. Just look at all the faggots crying about dying in a video game.>andyskill yourself zoomer mutt
>>732049156Debuff the invader if he doesn't fit the role.The more you not acting like a crazy cyclop, the weaker you become, justify it as body rejecting the invading soul or something.Feels fresh.
>>732049156It COULD work, the special infected in Left 4 Dead are fairly balanced whether it's a player or NPC controlling them
>>732049083>nta but i think it's a good thing for people to be forced to engage with pvp content sometimes in a game like that.and i think it's good that someone has made something that was originally forced upon the player into a choice that they can switch between
>>732049272the nefarious instagib charger
>>732029604Ancestral butt rape trauma stemming from Ultima Online.
>>732045931>Real pvp'er find no enjoyment in crashing weaklings into dirt, there is no thrill in that.>Real pvp'erThen you understand why we want to exclude the "False" ones. Come up with a way to filter them out and maybe you'll have a point.>tiny minorityBullshit and you know it. The very basis of PvP is to exploit the other weakness. PvP'er are groomed to only look for unfair fight they can win.When have you ever seen a PvP'er looking at someone higher level with a build that will crush them and say "challenge accepted"? You need anti-logout mechanic just to force them to play.
>>732029604Because they're annoying retards, competing retarded shit. Then again, I guess that's how things have always been.
>>732049296kind of limp game design imo like an accessibility menu is one thing but dark souls and demon's souls would be simply worse, less memorable games if the only way you experienced invasions was if you pressed the "get invaded" button. sometimes to have interesting experiences you have to force players to do shit they don't want to do.they probably didn't have enough confidence in elden ring's pvp to force it upon a solo player who rune arcs
>>732029604I play PvP games for PvP and PvE games for PvE. Wanting to be an annoying faggot in someone else's PvE game is retarded.
>>732049363>Come up with a way to filter them out and maybe you'll have a point.here >>732044375make the minmaxed gank builds impossible, make it all about individual skill, add MMR which balances the invader stats inversely proportional to the reward (the weaker you are - the bigger reward you get for winning)why wouldn't it work?
>>732049517>Wanting to be an annoying faggot in someone else's PvE game is retarded.but it's funny
>>732049380it really cannot be more simple than there are more PvE players than PvP players, but instead of fucking over the PvP players they gave everyone a choice
>>732047263>typicallyPlease, they need to weight all this against the Invader precisely because ganking is easier for Invaders against a host who is unprepared by default unless you count as prepared "allow invader".PvE players are never opposed to the idea of a random BALANCED and smart enemy as part of their Player versus Whatever experience.PvE players are opposed to the idea of spawning an experience ruining cheating enemy.Imagine it the other way around: You want to play PvP, suddenly there's a NPC that appear out of nowhere, force you into a solo Quest that disable PvP mechanic and ask you to use a builds not tailored for what you expected to do.
>>732049726a significant part of the reason that demon's souls was special when it came out was the weird social mechanics where you see player messages, can do spontaneous co-op, and can perhaps be invaded randomly through no fault of your own, part of that being the fact that they force people to deal with pvp who don't want toyou say "it's obvious" but frankly i feel it's obvious that not giving the player a choice but to be inconvenienced... makes for interesting games more often than not.
>>732049083>in demon's souls that was the entire point, if you want to stay human and have your full health bar you have to contend with red phantoms. made getting invaded tense and exciting cuz you weren't looking for trouble but you got it. if you have to opt in to getting robbed it's just not the same.See systems like this sound fun, in a theoretical world where everyone is on the same page and actually want to interact with it on the same level. But that doesn't seem to be how it goes down more often than not. Too many PvPers are more interested in sealclubbing PvErs - not even for whatever token reward the game offers but just for the enjoyment of knowing they inconvenienced the other person. And too many PvErs have zero interest in engaging with PvP because there's simply no benefit to it and more likely than not it will just end up wasting their time and possibly resources they were planning to use for PvE.The entire concept is oil and water that at best gets by on the novelty aspect.
>>732049953there are seal clubbers who just want to troll people but people always overstate how much of the playerbase it actually applies to because it happened to them once or twice, most natural invasions that happened to me in souls games were normal dudes, not people running fucked up puzzle meme builds that you need a very specific response for
>>732049849see that’s the thing, the mod that makes it so you can play with your friends is more convenient than actually playing the game and getting ganked
>>732050002desu the biggest problem here is that elden ring's vanilla co-op and invasion mechanics just kinda suck, even i played seamless simply because it was a more interesting co-op playthrough. if it had launched with that and seamless invasions on top it'd be tight
>>732049953>but just for the enjoyment of knowing they inconvenienced the other person.I'm like that, but the enemy player has to be competent for me to get any enjoyment out of it.
>>732029604It’s usually just RPGfags jealous of multiplayer games having actual gameplay instead of 10,000 hours of talking to a fake woman.
>>732048693>>732048758Says the guys in a thread created specifically to insult PvE players and pretend they are at fault.>PvPfag pretend they like fair fight>complain if PvEfag fight backYou are just mad PvE are right to say PvP usually ruin their games and not the reverse.
>>732049036It's difficult to protect things from traitors.But if we must, then we will slice traitors neck in the night for the greater pve good.
>>732050176then why rob people of a valuable lesson by removing pvp on a system level?you just make people sheltered and weak. nature doesn't work like that
>>732050231Seems like the PvE only crowd already learned that lesson
>>732049265>Debuff the invader if he doesn't fit the role.How do you debuff intelligence?It's not that I would not enjoy the fuck out of a game where players genuinely ROLEPLAY the baddies. I expect "ractor" Diamond Age style someday.But FILTERING for those peoples is fucking hard work, and since it's one-sided you are better just improving NPC AI.>>732049272I never play zombies game so I won't judge.But to me a NPC that's no different if it's AI or players feel like a boring NPC to play.
>>732049036>>732050231What if they protect their stuff by disconnecting you? Nature doesn't give a fuck if their methods comply with your notions of honor.
>>732050281PvP glorifies strength.PvE shelters weakness.>>732050334>How do you debuff intelligence?You don't. Just make adhering to the gameplay style that fits the monster the intelligent way to play. For example, assume that you are an orc berserker, if you try to hide behind the enemy lines instead of engaging, you get your stats like strength and health reduced, the smarter way would be to just go in.
>>732049609The post you quoted was answered with good reasons why it is not practical or feasible.Even if you force the Invader into controlling a NPC character with strictly enforced set of attack, PvPfag intent is still to make this "balanced monster" into a "one-sided win for himself".And if you have to NERF the NPC so it is not possible to outsmart the dev, you are defacto shitting up the PvE game.
>redditbob
>>732050443Bad game design. Same as allowing overleveled overgeared minmaxed shit to gank noobs.
>>732029604I don't dislike them, I just avoid them at all costs because PvP players want me to knbow they're better than me and I don't give a shit.
>>732050231What is this poltard take?Human civilization only got good once we've started making laws to forbid "recreative murder" (aka PvP).We are still playing Teammatch on a national level but even that only work because we took step to diminish the risk of mutually assured destruction.
>>732050482Compare playing as a random mob in undead burg vs minmaxed bullshit build with +12. How is that not fair in comparison?
>>732050594You obviously do give a shit or else you wouldn't avoid them at all costs
>>732029604Why are you uncs obsessed over old cartoons?
>>732050684>save me, daddy government!woman
>>732050449>You don't. Just make adhering to the gameplay style that fits the monster the intelligent way to play. For example, assume that you are an orc berserker, if you try to hide behind the enemy lines instead of engaging, you get your stats like strength and health reduced, the smarter way would be to just go in.Real PvPers would still research and deduce the best way to play it that puts them in the strongest possible position when engaging with the enemy player. By nature of the fact that they willingly queued into the Invasion system while Timmy the PvEr age 23 is just futzing about, they are on an entirely different level of preparation.
>>732050443Proper PvPvE games don't let you escape by pulling the plug. In a game like Eve disconnecting during a gank means you still stay there like a big pinata for 15 minutes until you get your offline invulnerabilty. In games like Rust you have no offline invulnerabilty at all, everything stays in place and vulnerable at all times.
>>732050449>For example, assume that you are an orc berserker, if you try to hide behind the enemy lines instead of engaging, you get your stats like strength and health reducedFirst, that mean a game auto-balancer Artificial-AI so damn smart it will play the NPC better than you do.Second, if we actually did that PvPfag would complain about not having 1:1 balance, ruining the gameLastly, the gameplay style of an orc berserker is to offer brief challenge but ultimately be killed 80% of the time as part of the PvE player adventure.If someone want to play an actor to make someone's else experience fun, why not? But we both know that's not what PvP fag actually want.
>>732050752Bigger handicap if the skill level difference is too wide. If you are dying to 100 hp monster, it is completely on you. You had the advantage, you were outsmarted. How is that not fair?
>>732050752That's why lil' Timmy has two level 300 bodyguards with him
>>732050868Then that's just created a situation that most PvPers wouldn't even be interested in playing. Nobody wants to be somebody else's punching bag.
>>732050865>First, that mean a game auto-balancer Artificial-AI so damn smart it will play the NPC better than you do.I don't see the logic here.>Second, if we actually did that PvPfag would complain about not having 1:1 balance, ruining the gameI wouldn't complain. I bet there are many people like me.The only response to people who want to gank with no skill involved is "fuck off, retard".>>732050932>that most PvPers wouldn't even be interested in playing.You say this based on nothing. People were willingly invading 1v3 ganks in elder ring.
>>732050865>Second, if we actually did that PvPfag would complain about not having 1:1 balance, ruining the gameRight on point! >>732050689I can already imagine it>PVPfag are kicked out by PVEfag>PVPfag pretend they'll play the monster for PVEfag>PVPfag complain and beg to turn the monsters into a "more fair" PVP-build>PVPfag try to turn PVE into PVP
>>732051001You are quoting my post. I'm not complaining it's unfair to the PvP'er. I'm implying that it's retarded for the PvE'er to complain about unfairness if the invader takes control of the random shmeck monster.
I will be honest with you guys. Even if you give me control of the weakest monster, I WILL fucking kill you.
>>732050987>I don't see the logic here.Of course you don't, if you are such a PVP aficionado few understand how difficult it is to create AI that understand players intent.If a machine is smart enough to force a player into a role, it's mart enough to play that role>I wouldn't complain. I bet there are many people like me.And the day you'll find a way to filter them, I'll be happy to see if you make a better actor than the game NPC.>The only response to people who want to gank with no skill involved is "fuck off, retard".If you ever get to play a NPC whose purpose is to just be one in a dumb mindless swarm of weak NPC I hope that won't be your dialog line, or you'll have the story-managing-AI-whatever ban you.
>>732046197Because when a game is balanced for min maxing PvP you get homogenization and it's boring because their is always "the best" that is what is played.In PvE the cutting edge can be alot duller because all you have to do is beat _____ standard rather then being the best at _____ so it allows for more variety in what is playable, including things that are more fun to play even if they aren't the most, but still good enough, best.
>>732045931>Subhumans who kill street animals during childhood and might find that shit enjoyable are a tiny minorityNo, they aren't. You're a dumbass.
>>732051229>If a machine is smart enough to force a player into a role, it's mart enough to play that roleThat doesn't make sense. "if(invaderotimeSinceLastAggressiveAction > 30.0f) invader.debuffLevel++;"is a lot simpler than actually playing the game.You are comparing simple rules and checks to a complex task.>And the day you'll find a way to filter themIf you don't like it, just don't invade. Cry as much as you want, but if you don't want to engage with the system as the invader, you will engage it with it as the invadee with other people who are fine to be the invader.
>>732051109Then ironically your post can be interpreted the other way.PvE don't care if NPC get fair chance, it's not what they exist for. Some are mooks, other are themed boss with a specific playstyle that make you feel good when you inevitably defeat them.Inviting Invader players into high-level/boss-type NPC right on cue would be extremely complicated anyway and once the game is no longer trending you wouldn't have the player-base anymore.So it's better to put effort on good NPC-AI, or create instead more Tabletop-like game with a Dungeon master making a narrative on the go.More irony coming >>732051168
>>732051482>> Even if you give me control of the weakest monster, I WILL fucking kill you.I can see that happen personally, but if you are dying to the weakest monster, it's completely on you, bro.
So we went from PvE'er crying>Nooo, I hate PvP because you are using overpower minmaxed build with no skill at all!to>Noooo, even using weak monsters is no good, because you can compensate for weak stats with individual skill!!!The mask really slipped off.
>>732051570And again I ask why would PvPers want to play a faceless mook that dies 90% of the time?
>>732051854because 10% of the time they can absolutely shit on someone and the other party would have absolutely no excuse
>>732051854>PvPers want to play a faceless mookmake the mook look cool with spikes and glowing red eyes and I'm down
>>732051854give them rewards?
Actually I just don't want to play with you at all. Not sorry.
>>732029604Because PvP players are at fault that we don't get good games with stories anymore.They just need to create some maps, some weapons and characters. That's all. PvP is also always the same boring shit. Just shoot each other over and over.
>>732029604sweats always get mad when paired up against other sweats. i wonder why
>>732051464>"if(invaderotimeSinceLastAggressiveAction > 30.0f) invader.debuffLevel++;"Defining aggressive action is much harder than you think. You example is full of hole- if he just needs to attack regularly even without hitting, it's ruined- if berserk-kun must hit something even allies, it will just kill the other NPC to keep its stat, leaving open a way to deny the player NPC- ...- if invader-monster lose stats simply by failing to fill the bazillion rules before, it will be weak and ruin the PVE player experienceSo you are forcing what should be a very simple NPC monster to have innumerable checks mechanics.Not to mention the inevitable way to kick/ban invaders, and obviously not fucking allow them to talk or make gesture.>If you don't like it, just don't invadeYou didn't get it. You have to filter out PVPfag who only play Invader to find a way to "beat the system" and WILL complain if they don't get a fair battle.>Cry as much as you want, but if you don't want to engage with the systemBy that logic, don't complain if the system doesn't care about forcing PVP in a PVE game.
>>732029604PVP and PVE just never mix. They're best kept separate, like any successful game thats attempted to include both modes.
>>732051168No lie, I would love a FromSoft invasion mode where you can play as enemies. Let me be the dog. Let me be the runebear. The banished knight, the cleanrot knight, the omen. Hell, let me be a big jar guy, I'd fucking love it.Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that no one has made a mod for seamless co-op where you can Cheat Engine yourself into an enemy or something.
>>732051825>The mask really slipped off.It did, PvP'er admitted they can't wear the mask of a weak monster and will complain if they aren't given skills that make it 1:1
>>732051570PVE fan dying to a weak monster is no problem if it's immersiveBut not point ruining all NPC in the game to prevent a PVP fan from using exploit & immersion breaking shit to win or even get Schadenfreude from ruining a PVE playthrough.Some NPC are meant to be dumb and predictable, very rare are the PVP fan who are interested in roleplaying that.
>>732052371>Defining aggressive action is much harder than you think.True, not denying it. But this is what game design is all about. But it's still easier than writing a perfect AI which can play the game better than human, assuming the game is not a basic point-and-click-on-the-head shooter of course.>and WILL complain if they don't get a fair battle.Nobody listens to them right now already, so who cares? They play the game as is, even it's humiliation ritual like elden ring invading. The system proposed is a lot more fun and fair, unless you are only there to force extremely unfair fights and gank people who can't resist.>By that logic, don't complain if the system doesn't care about forcing PVP in a PVE game.The objective here is to enable fun PVP. Disabling it from the beginning is the same as giving up. >>732052484Never happened. If anything, the opposite happened. They are fine even with the weak monsters.
>>732052668>Some NPC are meant to be dumb and predictableMake them unpossessable? Or force evolve them into a more advanced/different version if invader assumes control.There are a lot of fun things you can do there.
>>732051967And if the mook is meant to act as a very dumb enemy, charging forward with a big tell and killed effortlessly 90% of the time by any player past the tutorial?I'm thinking about game where you have to roleplay monster, and I thought of dinosaur games.It's really hard to roleplay a creature that do not just exploit game mechanic or plain players action.A dinosaur isn't supposed to know what a gun is, how long their ranges is, that they should attack during reloading or even take cover.
>>732030457100% WHOLE GRAIN BABY
>>732029604Because balance decisions that affect PVE are decided by listening to exclusively PVP players.
>>732052774Once again you are just forcing a NPC tailor-made for PVPfagYou start with that, then it's "let us Invade with a NPC that is roughly equal to the players except I can chose a different build">>732052470I also think it could be very fun you end-up with even more problem than coop game, because coop game at least can deactivate friendly fire and the rest of the players are typically made so they can take over if one die or do nothing.
>>732029604>andys
>>732029604Because you are a nigger.
>>732052668>>732052774Souls games literally already do it by giving invaders the red shroud as they also did with stronger gravelorded enemies in DaS. It should be blatantly obvious it's a more 'advanced' version at that point with potentially different behavior even if you want to complain about immersion.
>>732032549I wonder which is the most destructive <1% player base to online multiplayer games; pvpfags who demand forced or quasi-forced pvp experiences, or raidfags who demand the entire game be balanced around their ideal meta for a few specific encounters?
>>732041774>And it’s fun because you went through it tooThe victim to perpetrator pipeline for invaders is remarkably similar to rapistsSome faggots got raped in the parish by a ninjaflipping havelmom and cried on the internet about it for yearsI got raped by a ninjaflipping havelmom in the parish and became a dark beading duck crown nigger
>>732052681>Never happened. If anything, the opposite happened. They are fine even with the weak monsters.Go ahead and tell us where that happened? No game was ever made like that, and it's easy to be fine with an idea that look cool in your mind but in practice require so many nerf and check to prevent griefing it make you crazyThe post you answered made that clear.>The objective here is to enable fun PVP.No point adding PVP if it ruins PVE features and is don't bring anything new.The whole "let me roleplay a monster" is only done if both players have the objectives of maximizing each other's fun, and losing all the time isn't fun.PVEfag shouldn't force PVPfag to roleplay monster, hence PVP fag shouldn't force PVEfag to play against enemies who can't act as tailored monsters.
>>732029604pvpchuds mog
>>732053159And PVP'er complain all the fucking time about not having 1:1 balance. This whole thread is just another instance of "why don't you let me gank you 1:1?"
>>732029604because you harass us leave us alone and go pvp people who want to pvp. but you won't because you suck at the game and can't win a fair fight
>>732053052>Once again you are just forcing a NPC tailor-made for PVPfagPlease let PVP players breathe, bro. I CAN'T FUCKING BREATHE BRO, TAKE YOUR KNEE OF MY NECKLet us have fucking something.>>732053285Let's just read the thread. The main complaint of PVE'ers is people invading with unfair overpowered builds just to gank noobs.Okay, seems fair. Let's invaders possess enemies instead so there is a clear cap on stats and build. Yet you still have a problem with that.
>>732053521>Let's invaders possess enemies instead so there is a clear cap on stats and buildFor all the shit resident evil 6 did wrong, this was probably the most fun mechanic in the entire series, and I wish it would come back
Required reading for understanding PvPvE games
because whenever a PVP game does well everyone who makes PVE games drops what they are doing to shit out some lazy half assed PVP game or turn the PVE game into a PVP game and its always shit and we dont get any PVE games for a few years
>>732029604Because it often turns into predator vs. prey interactions instead of a balanced fight, pvp is imposed on rather than outright consented to so people pull the plug or evade.Souls had a good trade-off early on (summoning allies), though that degenerated into newbie hosts trying to get people and then getting invaded by some cheating freak in undead parish on the way to gargoyles.Others like runescape have very lame pvp mechanics and even multi-way combat zones so it became commonplace to shove people into multi zones and stack people out. Too many layers and rules and it was a bad enough model one of the jmods was leaking IPs to DDoS people while clans ate the targets up and liquidated all the items.PvP is rarely balanced and when it is imposed on an otherwise more deliberately crafted encounter (PvE), it can sour the experience.That all isn't to say that pvp can't be good, it's just sloppily-integrated into pve games to try and replicate what the games before them got right. The closest thing I can think of to good pvp integration is guild wars 1 and that's just because it was a pvp game first so it had mechanics that directly worked in pve encounters and enemies even had their own skill bars, only becoming more uniquely pvm with later expansions featuring pve-only skills. If a skill needed to be balanced it had a pve and pvp version so the two didn't really fight each other and kept to their own bubbles. PvP and PvE getting mixed together usually just causes problems.
>>732029604>why are PvE andys so antagonistic towards PvP enjoyers?Because both extremes are absolutely insufferable in any game which blends these two things. The Souls community is especially dogshit because you have the toddlers on one end that want "jolly cooperation" that snaps the game over their knees without the built-in counterbalance that is an invader being able to throw a wrench into a run that is otherwise rote paint-by-numbers. PvPfaggots (let's be honest: redditors) "enforce" arbitrary metas and codes of conduct in an online experience that revolves around stabbing faggots in the kidneys for pocket change so that they can't just steamroll the whole game, and instead you have a bunch of stinky fat neets circlejerking in the "designated" arena.
>>732053521>PVPfag have their games>PVPVEfag have their games>PVEfag have their games>PVP fag keep trying to put their knee on the neck of PVEfag until they submit and force all PVE into PVPVEYou are not the victim here.You are the annoying-entitled fag.>Let's invaders possess enemies instead so there is a clear cap on stats and build.Not interesting as discussed previously because NPC enemies are tailored to give an experience that wouldn't even be fun to roleplay.And forcing NPC made to cater to PVPfag ruin the PVEfag fun.
>>732053581Any video of that? I want to see it
>>732053780>PVPVEfag have their gamesNigger, you're the ones trying to turn those into PvE games to the point that people literally look to remove PvP entirely. How do you lack so much self awareness?
>>732037701>They need more le tough experiencesThis comes off as the same retarded excuses terrible parents make for treating their own creation like an unwanted gift then wondering why their kid abandoned them in turn.No the people who shun competitiveness were taught shit lessons that gave wrong answers. They saw the reward not worth the pain of failure.Fighting games have such a difficult point of entry because as a noob you have to go through a thousand humiliation rituals before being competant enough at the basics and with how personal the matches are all it takes is a couple of bad losses to remove any joy you get from playing.
>>732053780>Not interesting as discussed previouslymaybe to you because you are lame and gay herbivore who only capable of killing easy shit devs allowed you to killyou can't take anything yourself, only things presented to you on a platteryou literally have no argument once the "you minmaxing and killing noobs" cope was disarmed
>>732051825It's obvious from the start. People who seethe this hard about PvP after buying a game with it as a feature are just whiners upset about losing and they'll never be happy at the prospect of another player being able to beat them no matter how hard they're handicapped. You can instantly tell that they're just throwing a fit because they never want to say they suck. It's always an insult directed at the people beating them. They must be exploiting. They must have 4k hours. They must be downing adderall with a monster energy and playing like their life is on the line. These people likely wouldn't even mind PvP if they were winning but they're not.
>the older i get the more i enjoy and get into pvp gamesthere is nothing like seeing your own skill improve and even being able to be used in a completely different game but with similar skill requirements
>>732053873>want to force developers to remove PVE optionsMore self-awareness than you racist-kun
>>732053984Im the reverse.I used to play nothing but fps and pvp games, but once I actually had to interact with strangers, i gravitated more to pve because they are insufferable win or lose.
It was almost comical when I played on Project Epoch, and rolled on PvP server instead of PvE by accident (I assumed both are PvP and only learned later one was PvE), and saw enemy faction players with 5-10+ levels above me pass me, then stop to process the information that they can do an epic easy gank. You could literally hear the gears slowly turning in their heads. Sometimes you can win, but when you are not building yourself to be a PvP sweat with perfect PvP build, the difference in stats usually means your best course of action is just /laugh /fart /danceEspecially when they make sure to wait till you are halfway through a mob before they approach, you know, just to make sure you only have half your HP and are busy fighting something, god forbid they can risk 1% chance of actually getting defeated.
>>732053889>can't offer counter-argument as to why devs should remove PVE just because you don't like it>insultI only see one person coping here and it's you. Maybe you should put all your money into PVP game and never a cent to a game with PVE? "Vote with your wallet" or something.You'll achieve nothing there.
>>732054214>can't offer counter-argument as to why devs should remove PVE just because you don't like itWho said I don't like it? Who said I want PVP or PVE removed? I don't understand what you are even saying here.I'm against buckbreaking PVP just to cater to low-skill retards, just as I'm against buckbreaking PVE just to cater to low-skill psychopaths who enjoy destroying weaklings.There is a middle ground, but you refuse to even discuss it.
>>732054143i guess it helps that nowadays you can mute and block almost every interaction with other players which is what i do. the ping system also helps a lot
>>732033290>hourglass is filled with cheaters making it impossible to get a good streak goingAnd there it is.You just want to stomp some gamerdads with your epic skillz. It's not fun for (you) if you're facing your equals. fucking lmao why are you always so predictable?
>>732029604I stoppd playing PvP the momeent I started having actual irl friends. I have to deal with peoples' gay bullshit most of the day, I'd rather not to do it as well when I'm playing vidya. Co-op games are where I can tolerate other humans, but I also get livid when those retards don't play the game properly.
>>732054478>but I also get livid when those retards don't play the game properly.I'm glad you're not in my PvP games if you're seething even over casual co-op games.
>>732054398If I won, you were shit at the game.If I lost, you were cheating.
>>732054528I accept your concession.
>>732053984Opposite on my side as well.When I was young I loved PVP games, especially the teamplay. I'm old enough to have known Starsiege Tribes before the skiing bug was turned into the main mechanic.Counter-strike was good when you could personally insult the guy playing it in LAN with you in the room of a cybercafé.Nowadays even the Battlefield-genre games are more like leaderboard, manipulating your competitiveness to sell you P2W mechanic if you want to play unique characters with a really different experience.So those years I'm only into coop PVE.You get better games simply because you don't have to buy anything extra to "compete", you can ignore DLC not worth their prices, and you are rewarding developers more for making a good game, than executive for tricking you in a shit game and telling you it's because you need to try harder to compete.We don't get massive team-play like Tribes those day.Tribes Ascent became the usual small fast-paced CTF with all coop feature erased for plain grinding your PVP character.
>>732054528I hate when in my objective based co-op shooter some retard doesn't do objectives but instead prances around half a map away picking out a bot or two that manages to lose their way theere, especially when he has taken a slot for role that is instrumntal to the success of taking objective. Play come other game if you want to do that.
>>732054339Except that no PVP game have ever been "buckbreaked" for PVE and there's no reason to force a middle-ground when it cause absolutely not problem to keep game-type separate.This thread was created with the purpose of buckbreaking PVE to cater to PVPfag.So you are either completely mistaken, or disingenuously playing the victim, or a schizo with a victim-complex.Again, no reason to force PVE into playing a "PVPVE middle-ground" when they just want PVE and it's better as PVE in all practical way.
>>732053984Based. It feels so sick when a game starts becoming more and more clear and you realize you're just casually shutting down shit that would have destroyed you awhile ago.
>>732054538It's the algorithm who decide anyway.
Just call PvPfags leftists and they'll start shitting themselves (because it's an accurate assessment as self-image is the only value they hold).
>>732054989why did you make me have to piss?
>>732050751Go back to your pvp server nigger (hint: it's africa)
>>732054795>buckbreakedbuckbroken*Anyway I took this thread as referring to games that feature both PVE and PVP content, because it doesn't make sense otherwise.Souls series specifically catered to PVE more and more with every new game, at the expense of PVP.This exactly is the problem.Nobody gives a shit about PVE only games, the wagies can play whatever want after work. Some people try to justify it, saying what happened to PVP in soul series was deserved because "they were ganked by no-skill OP shit". I say, okay, that's a fair argument. So let's make it fairer by removing these degenerate strategies completely and just make invader play as a monster. You start screaming it's unfair and a slippery slop.
>>732055062Don't worry, your government is importing enough pvp players to your country as is. Unfortunately, there is no irl toggle that you can switch to disable pvp and soon you will experience pvp interactions regardless of your will. Too bad your build is kinda trash, but try to have fun either way.
>>732055179I think people trying to say it's about 'fairness' are just being inflammatory. The real reason they don't like PvP in those games is because they don't want it. Like they're not focused on killing you, they're focused on killing the Bell Gargoyles or whoever the fuck, they don't want to deal with another player.Even if it were 'fair' it still wouldn't be 'fun' because you didn't ask for it. And that might be the point but people have different reactions to games suddenly switching up on them based on a dice roll, mostly negative.
>>732056007>Even if it were 'fair' it still wouldn't be 'fun' because you didn't ask for it.So basically "yeah, bro, make it challenging! but no, not like that!!!" ?>games suddenly switching up on themDoes it really? Here's an enemy with a health bar, kill it to proceed. Nothing really changed.
>>732056160Nobody wants it challenging, they don't want it at all in that context. If you're running to a boss you want to be able to do the same thing as last time to get through, any extra enemies or enemies moving differently is the game switching up on you. Most people don't like that, which is why it's gone away as time went on.Is this hard to understand for you?
>>732056265>Nobody wants it challengingIf you don't want challenge, why don't you just read a book instead or watch a movie?Games are all about challenge.And don't you find "NO, IT HAS TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME EVERY TIME SO I DON'T NEED TO ADAPT AND CAN JUST BRUTEFORCE IT BY REPEATEDLY TRYING" kinda lame?
>>732056392>YouWho are you talking to? I'm explaining to you the average player who play these games. Tell all of them to stop playing games, and they'll play the games they like that appeal to their sensibilities and they and the industry ignore you as you keep screaming at them about what games should be.
>>732037701giga TRVKEpve players are just whiny passive aggressive foidbrained permavictims
>>732056447I wondering about your personal opinion. Is the conclusion and the general consensus that most people are retarded cattle and want to play in lame boring way and PVEfags should be humiliated on every opportunity?I don't think that's unimportant. You should take the moral high ground at the very least.
>>732037701>videogames>tough experiences>competition
Because PvP retards cant shut the fuck up and whiny nonstop until the devs balance the game in a way PvE becomes meaningless
>>732056683It's just human nature, those opinions and view of PvPvE are the collection of many little natural reactions to parts of games building up and manifesting in the macro space of discussion.I understand how things work so I can predict them, and because I enjoy it. I really don't care about if it's 'right' or 'wrong' or 'lame' or 'boring', it's how human nature intersects with game design. Trying to label the same human nature that will express itself in a million different ways in a million different contexts is reductive. If you enjoy doing it then more power to you, but it's all subjective moral judgements that won't amount to anything except you telling others what you think is 'right', by your own definition and moral values.In short I see this through a descriptive view where you use a normative one. But you're probably just shitposting anyway.
>>732055179>Nobody gives a shit about PVE only games,We do, that's why the term exist and is separate from PVPVE.Games that are PVP, PVE or PVPVE are balanced as such. It's not up to you to force PVPVE-only because you disagree.It's a (You) problem and if you want to make PVPVE more popular, address the root problems (like the 50% loss at best) instead of what this thread was made for: push the blame and disingenuously try to sell PVP under another name.Vote with your wallet, respect the fucking result of the vote or at least make an honest argument to convince people to try out (Your) tastes.In a Soul game PVPVE wasn't even really a major feature, let alone a critical one because even during peak popularity 99% of your playthrough is PVE. PVPVE is only to add a bit of cynicism "dark souls just want to kill".Before they went totally overboard and let anyone gank you with little effort. People hated that, they fixed some of it. Elden ring catter more than enough to those PVPfag claiming to want challenging fight.>So let's make it fairer by removing these degenerate strategies completely and just make invader play as a monster.We both know those degenerate will be the first to claim that playing a weaker monster is "unfair" and they complain until they can force equal monster aka PVP in all but name.PVPfag are no victim, especially not on this troll thread.
>>732029604because they're right. perfectly matched pvp will just end up in stalled ties forever. you can't win unless someone else concedes, and you both waste each others time until then.
>>732056392>>732056265PVE fan have no problem with challenge, but inviting random PVPfag won't give interesting challenge.Suddenly turning a battle I have 50% chance of winning into a 0% chance because the invader know all the trick, or a 100% chance because the invader is new at this, is just going to ruin the experience.>And don't you find "strawman" kinda lame?I buy PVE game better than that.It's also much better than playing PVP to convince yourself you are superior when it's just more chaotic and the best players are just emulating aim-bot, not smart strategist".
>>732057086It sounds more like you don't really believe in anything. A lot of words were typed but nothing was said.
This is what PVP'er believe
>>732057420Do people need to 'believe' in something for words to register in your mind or what?Nigger was literally asked his opinion and he answered
>>732057403>I HAVE A SKILL ISSUE!Yeah, we can tell.This is always what it boils down to.You refuse to learn and adapt, you think the game must hand you the win regardless of your performance, you expect to get things the easy way.The entitlement and ego. The only thing that's missing is the skill. >>732057583The words of a person who believes in nothing are worthless.
>>732057446This is what I see spammed in every PvE only game I play.
>>732057701Such as?
>>732029791FPBP
>>732057821Borderlands 3 and 4, Baldur's Gate 3, Elden Ring, GTA V to name a few.
>>732057701>singleplayer>pveI guess it's easy being a literal retard when you just change the words to build your strawman.
>732058290You are not even worth giving a free you for this r*dditor tier bait.
>this thread>PvPfag are victims!!!!!This thread:>play PvE game>fucktard force the game to be fairer to PvPfag>log in to play your fairerPvE game>meet normal monster, except it's controlled by a PvPfag>monster act like the typical PvPfag and wait until you show any opening>force fairness forced all monster to be capable of soloing you regardless of your level>you don't have all day so you take all the step to invoke a friend to help>almost get killed by monster-fag while you call for a friend>monster-fag call you a cheater before logging out trying to deny you XP>kill the normal monster left easily with the friend>meet a Boss level enemy>sight, also a PvPfag>Boss-fag don't act like the real boss and never use any of the attacks with huge cooldown that you are meant to exploit>die after a looong grind where Boss-fag was just playing with you>forced to invoke many many friends>Boss-fag invoke dozen of monster to help him, some are also monster-fag>turn out Boss-fag is a complete retard who don't know what he is doing, but it's good the fight end when you kill him because one of the monster-fag was abusing a mechanic that let almost let him solo-kill you and ruin the battle>obligatory update incoming>"to prevent exploit and unfair battle all PvPfag will now appear as a PvEish-monster that morph into exactly their own player character.">quit PvP game
>Nonstop ESL melties over losing in video gameslmao
>>732057701>>732058290You are the one who acted as if PvE was exchangeable with Singpleplayer
>>732058574this unironically reads like a story you would remember forever if it actually happenedsounds like you just hate fun
>>732058574>NOOO, THE ENEMIES SHOULD JUST LET ME KILL THEM, THEY CAN'T VALUE THEIR LIVES AND ACT OPTIMALLYMonster Lives Matter.
>>732058984I'd remember it for being the reason I stopped playing a game, never ever buying a PVE game susceptible of catering to PVPfag again
>>732059271>Monster Lives Matter.You are not roleplaying the monster correctly
All this thread has managed to do is convince me that PvE players enjoy inventing fantastical scenarios in their heads where they are raped and humiliated in elaborate ways by PvP'ers.What a weird fucking mentality, man.
>entire game is based around PvP with wandering PvE monsters you can loot>WHHY WHEREE THE PVE MODE? I DONT HAVE TIME TO PVP I JUST WANT TO KILL SIMPLE NPCS
>>732059312Admit it, you had to add the balance strawman just to make this whole story less cool. Properly balanced this shit sounds fun as fuck.
>>732059271sex with that thing immediately
>>732058574I'd buy that game.
>>732030120>I'm a 27 manchild now with debt and a worthless min wage job that will soon be replaced by an LLMFTFY
>>732058984I am with that guy that it would be a great story and I'd tell it to my firends and we'd have a laugh but I'd also then tell them to not buy the game and stop playing it after, sounds exhausting
>>732029604after reading through this thread, seems like quite the opposite
>>732049069There is people out there that believes that people got the seamless coop mod for anything but playing seamless coop with their friends and instead used it to prevent invasions for some reason
>>732029604PvP is the NEET's soma. No wonder he would boldly fight for its existence. PvP is one of few ways the NEET can feel like a normalfag. PvP is food for the NEET's hidden feelings of revenge and anger against the world.
>>732040294Hahaha no one wants to play with you so you resort to bitching about it here.You must be the same faggot that complains about seamless coop
>>732029604I haven't interacted with anything multiplayer in years. Please go play dolls with someone else.
>>732058574A screencap with somewhat fixed grammar.
>>732042385Oof. Major skill issue.
>>732053839I can't really find any good videos of it, but the way it worked was that you would invade someone's game while they're playing through the story as an enemy mob from that part of the storyYou might be a basic zombie, or you might be one of the more advanced enemies, even the flying onesThe only other game I know of with a similar game mode was perfect dark's counter ops
pvp games should be pvp gamesnot pve games with pvp added on
>>732030101This
>>732029604damn you guys have to invent reason to be upset in order to function
>>732029604I think it's the other way. Take Tarkov for example. Everyone playing the base game shits all over PvE anytime they get a chance. Anyone mentioning PvP just whines and complains like they've been a victim their whole lives. It's legit aggressive PvP players vs passive masochistic PvE players. But there's no reason for it, they can both exist, but something makes both sides feel compelled to write something up anytime there's a chance.
>>732033290i miss playing it sometimesme and my mates would load the front of the lower hull with exploding barrels and time shooting it right as we hit either a pvp fag or pve fags ship. being suicide bombers was the most fun i had in that game
>>732029604PvEfags are weak and afraid, the only thing they can do to protect their ego is to cope by pretending like PvP doesn't matter, like it shouldn't exist and like how all people who play it are lesser for it. If you can't win the game, change the game.
>>732058449>>732058694What a pathetic cope.
>>732029604pvp died the second algorhymtic pay to win mtx systems and mass cheating became a thingand ops pic is osrspvps all cheaters and bots and all updates are for ironman mode
>>7320304571000KCAL POST!
>>732045739Of course, they're faggots.I had no issue playing quake for a decade and doing some actual pvp and often getting stomped by people who had better map control and mechanical skills than I did but I had a fair fight and I had fun. MMO/Souls pvp fags aren't about that, they just want to steamroll new players in their noskill game so they can entertain the illusion that they are 1337 gaymerz
>>732030457Swole.
>>732060206>>732047909>>732045825>Make a post 12+ hours ago>Check in the next day>a chorus of whining buttwrangled PvEbabs moaning at me in unisonlmfao
>>732058645It savagely damages their izzat
>>732068816If you actually read the thread it's been more of a humiliation for PvPfag when we tell them: Fuckoff, we won't play with you even if you promise to roleplay as a weak npc mook
>>732071529lmao, no the thread is just absolutely buckbroken ESLs who're bad at games coping.
>>732029604Because you're assholes.
>>732071606>>732071816>be PvPfag>lose your only way to attack someone uprepared with a broken build>please!!! I beg you! let me try to fight you!!!!>I promise I'll be fair this time! I won't be toxic asshole lying to you!>please!!!!! I need to prove I'm superior to you fucking shit!!!>it's your fucking fault if I lose against other PvPfag!>breakdown
>>732072496you've been buck brokenyou will carry this trauma to the deathbed
>>732072496See? Just a bunch of crying rape victim babble
>>732029604being an asshole is always the easy choice
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>>732034825All the games you listed I can make the argument that kids have way more free time than you do and they play these games only so they are going to be naturally better. The issue is that you're just ass in PvP games to begin with to even have an enjoyable time because you think any dude that pup stomps you is some sweat. most of the time those sweats are people usually hard stuck in their ranks they just have a fuck ton of game time. You guys think you're running into some future pro gamers or some shit, lol most of them are butt ass mediocre they just have a fuck ton of free time. If you are literally struggling at CS2 and you're getting pooped on. Hate to break it to you man there's so many dudes that have thousand of hours on that game. No shit you're going to get mopped on, even in the low ranks. Best part is? Most of them are shit. They play the game, they don't play to improve. PvE players are afraid of contact with others and they act surprised when others shit on them. I wonder why. Maybe put less time on Expedition 33 like a nerd and go hit the aim map instead fag.
What the fuck is an andy and why do I get the distinct impression that it's mutt slang?
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>>732029813this doesnt happen in any game, little liar.
>>732030120if you hate dark souls invasions youre a fucking faggot and you dont appreciate the gaming medium.
PVPfags nowadays are sociopaths who just want seals to club, they don't want to actually fight someone prepared to fight back, they just want to grief someone else for the quick dopamine hit and feeling of power they lack in real lifeAnd when the seals choose to deny them access to the seal clubbing grounds they absolutely LOSE their shit because they don't like being told 'No', like a spoiled little brat who never got the spankings they deserved from their shitty parents.
>>732074652I hate them and you can keep crying all you want. I just played it offline. not interested in pvp shit or even other players in my gamedon't know why its so hard for pvp fags to grasp this simple concept, I just don't want to play with you
Both needs to be separated. For instance PVPfags ruin Total War games since units get balanced for "fair" pvp in a fucking power fantasy game
>>732029791fpbp, op blown the fuck out
>>732074907>I lost to a redman and now I'm sadlol
>>732029604twitch chat niggers should be shot in the face
>>732050864PvE enjoyers simply ignore those games
>>732029604PvE fag here. We don't usually hate PvP, but a reason why it's hated is that when there is PvP, it is often forced on us. Often just via: "Well if you want to get all the rewards you gotta do some PvP" but in the worst cases, PvP is forced upon you by People coming up to kill you while you're trying to do PvE. Imagine you queued up for a 3 vs 3 pvp match. And at the start of the match, 2 of your teammates decide "actually it's PvE time" and start ignoring enemies and do random other shit, leading to you getting absolutely fucking farmed by the other team. That is essentially the experience PvE players get with forced PvE 90% of the time. Look at this guy: >>732029889calling PvE players "cattle", because that's what it feels like. Like you're unwillingly there to be a PvPers easy fodder to feed his enjoyment at the cost of your own. Ask yourself: Would you enjoy PvP if there was a secret third option the "SUPER PvP" who gets to be 10 levels higher than you, and all gear is twice as good on them? Or would you feel like it's bullshit that they get to fuck you up over and over again and you're just there for them to get easy wins?
The only time I've seen pvp players get enraged by pve players is tarkov.As more players move to the spp the pvp players on tarkov literally throw meltdowns on a nuclear scale.I've seen countless forms on the tarkov website and YouTube of enraged pvp players.I dont play tarkov so I dont understand why this is the case but watching people lash out at each other sure is funny.
>>732033383That's why I was never interested in playing The Division and other similar gamesI suppose the same goes for extraction shooter games
>>732078440Tarkov is plagued with rampant cheating and the devs don't give a shit, I have no idea why people still play that trash.
>>732078628denial or they are also cheating
>>732037701Helldivers 2 is a very popular PvE game, and it's been three years since it was releasedI want to see what happens with ARC Riders when it's been out for the same amount of time
>>732029604Because you don't want to fight others on equal footing but to ambush unaware and unprepared players. It was never about "le hecking honorobu duel". In short, you barge into a pve area, and try to ruin the fun, because your scene is always dead.
>>732029604its the oppositesweaty tryhard losers are mad that people just want to mind their own business instead of engaging with the gay meta game
PVP fags just want to play whatever is the strongest shit in the game even if they suck at it and they rarely ever want to try a game that does something different. The only reason extraction shooters got popular with them is because they get easy targets pretty often.
>>732053957its about some of us wanting to play a game without this "feature" which can perfectly work, and pvpfags seething that some people want a different gaming experience and somehow they're not allowed toER is the best example, someone may just want a co-op experience which is perfectly possible and has nothing to do with you, but for some reason you feel entitled to inserting yourself. A single mod fixed this and most of my hours in er are on seamless, hope more games get mods to fix this issue when devs refuse to add the optionNowdays I just avoid games with Online PvP feature unless its explicitly stated that it can be turned off.
>>732078692Just reminded me of that time people were begging for helldivers 2 PVP and got annoyed when the devs said they wouldn't add it.
>>732044151>random????
>>732078336>Ask yourself: Would you enjoy PvP if there was a secret third option the "SUPER PvP" who gets to be 10 levels higher than you, and all gear is twice as good on them? Or would you feel like it's bullshit that they get to fuck you up over and over again and you're just there for them to get easy wins?You already know the answer if you were around for the endless screeching about dark souls 3 prioritizing hosts with two summons for invasions or begging to nerf seed of a giant tree, complaining that invaders didn't get as many flasks as hosts, etc. Some true-blue PvPers still enjoyed it, but it exposed a lot of those who just wanted to be doing the ganking themselves.
the problem is that pvp games are games leashed by meta. sure you dont have to follow it but if you dont, you are gonna lose. you are forever following how someone else told you to play and i think thats the most cucked way to play a game i can think of.
>>732080492Meta being strong enough that not following=lose is pretty rare because you still need to know how to play the game which most people don't know how to even when following meta. The main reason meta shit sucks is how fast it can make a game stale if the devs don't do something about it, but it's a never ending battle.
>join my nations DCS "community" discord. (for those not in the know, dcs is a modern combat fligthsim)>they run a couple of servers >they are ALL PvEvP>so the usual routine is thus >new guys join and starts playing a couple of sorties of PvE>have fun>then ==sweatlorddicordmod69== notices the activity>joins REDFOR and promptly sealclubs every newb>fun ends>whats the problem? the server CLEARLY states PvEvP>new guys never come backit's astounding to me why they are confused over why FNG don't stick around
Isn't it the opposite? Whenever there's a game with both PvE and PvP game modes, it's always the PvP faggots having a whine about how the other people don't want to play with them. Extremely pathetic.
>>732040663If the pvp in a pve game acts as punishment for utilizing an otherwise powerful mechanic, like Dark Souls, then fine.>no I just want to play with my friendsWell you and your buddies now have to overcome a single guy that vaguely knows what he’s doing
>>732074604I remember the PVPers throwing fits when the mod for Elden Ring came out that allowed PVE multiplayer without risk of getting PVP attacked.>>732074907>>732077790"the seals won't let me club them, but they're still having fun together, now I'm sad!"
>>732029604>andysIdk what this means but it sounds retarded.
>>732074604Space Marine 2, keep coping lmao>inb4 d-doesnt count
>PvE player plays an MMORPG>picks a PvP server>complains they get PvPdWhy are they like this?
>>732084385But I co-op too dumb dumb. Here I am on my Dragon Communion build encountering a benevolent hacker who was trying to guide us through the map by being invisible and casting Minor Erdtree to guide us on the path.
>>732040294>PvP build also stomps PvE you worthless scrubby little noob bitch.Ah because of all the enemies that are destroyed by madness
>>732085810Madness also has absurd damage output. Different madness spell than the sniper beam, but it turns out firing 20 fireballs is good on most things, and anything it’s not good on you’re still a faith build with access to prayerful strikes.
>>732084525I have literally never heard of this conflict.
>>732084385>play a game where the tradeoff for having two friends to trivialize the content is that one (1) guy gets to have a try at killing you>bitch and moan anyway because sometimes they succeed
I can respect PVP which is in a closed environment or only between equals, what I dont understand (and what the majority of so called pvp is) is people who only go after lower levels or undergeared people
>>732085810Flame of Frenzy absolute fucking NUKES shit dumbass. It's absolutely brainless unless the boss resists fire and only a couple do.
>>732086351>what I dont understand (and what the majority of so called pvp is) is people who only go after lower levels or undergeared peoplelike that shit isnt obvious, they just want scalps. easier endorphin hit.or they can't "win" as easy in a real match
>>732086237>have fun playing PVE game with a friend>PVP faggot rage because he can't ruin your fun
>>732086351Most PVP fags don't actually care about equal or challenge, no matter what they say.If the game allows broken build, that's the only pretext they need to feel smart using one
>>732088394It's a PvEvP game, and you've chosen to engage with the systems that open you up to the "vP" part.>ruin your fun"Here I was, minding my business, reading my guide and oneshotting bosses. And then some cunt they didn't write a guide about comes along and here's NO GUIDE FOR HIM! How are 3 people supposed to beat 1, it's literally impossible!"
>>732089260Lets not pretend PvEers aren't getting their builds from online.
>>732053743yet neither are as insufferable as frogtrannies, go figure
>>732029604Cause they suck at the game and are casuals
>>732030120Eat shit casual.
>>732029936In aoe2 updates the pve content adds nothing to the pvp while new pvp content adds new campaigns for pve
>>732029604Because they are weak+pathetic and THEY KNOW it so they try to cope and downplay the superiority of PvP playersIt's like fat fags try to spread shit about fit bois
>>732089964Angry soulsbabby detected.
>>732037701/thread
>We're HARDCORE pvp player >look inside >it's all just souls slop webms
>>732089920They probably do, but that doesn't impede on anyone's fun but their own.
Show me a book, a movie, a cathedral, statue or an album with pvp.The best games are single player and will stand the test of time forever as pieces of art, they can be enjoyed till the heat death of the universe even if you're the last man on earth.Pvp games are like soccer or basketball, they only exist if you have people to play it with. Once they're gone, the only thing you can do is wander around empty lobbies.
>>732090486So if nobody cares about challenge, why not put the two broken-ass game destroyers in a room? They'll impede each-other's already-impeded fun, and nobody else cares.
>>732090585lmao basedPVP is the untermensch / peasant slop of vidya
>>732045068>>732045262same happened with ark raiders, if you were more focused on fighting other players/more aggressive you would be faced against those types of people and as you would guess, pvp people flipped a bitch, the moral of the story. It's all about pub stomps, easy kills to feel superior, nothing more, nothing less. If you have to actually fight equally skilled people they tap out quicker than shit
>>732090585Philosophy is literally PvP reading. Every Cathedral is a PvP zone. As you've seen in the US, Statues are frequently PvP areas.
>>732090667>wut if the build made for pve against the build made for pvp???Dumb pvp-bab. Stop begging for access to the seal clubbing grounds.
>>732091307Build made to do high damage in pve is the exact same build to do high damage in pvp. Crowd control is a meme, it's literally all time to kill.>oh but what about my funny stealth arch-It kills people in one shot. That's the joke>but my spellcas-Kills people in one or two casts>my funny weaponKills people as quickly as humanly possible.It's all just high damage. Every build is the same build at the higher ends, Elden Ring isn't a fucking complex game.
pvpajeets get mad when you want to actaully play the game instead of interacting with their scammy shit
>>732091840>they put PvP in the game>this makes knuckle dragging carebears mad for some reason, and call it "Not a part of the game">they still insist on playing the PvPvE game for some reason
>guys pvp adds to the game you are just shitters>Ds2 consistent of twinks with dlc mace and Max poise >Ds3 ember run consisted of magic roll spam, or invaders hiding in mobs and black crystaling out because they couldn't beat me 1on1. Or the cheat engine +3 rings on high wall with dragonslayer axe.>elden ring straight up had cheaters who would randomly determine that the fight is no longer "fair" and whip out their god weapon of destruction and crash my game.Ds1 was the only enjoyable experience I had purely on the fact that the community wasn't so fucking gay and you had a real fight between 2 retards who didn't know about backstab hit boxes or tumblebuffs. Even then it still had the occasional asshole.PvP in PvE modes are just for shitters who get completely and utterly bodied in any competitive format. Which is ironic considering this entire thread has meltdowns from this "hardcore audience" who screech and shit their pants over not being able to invade GUTS with a moon veil and 15vigor.You are all bad, and yes, I'm way better at video games. Just git gud.
>>732091485>yeah this is totally how it works in my made up scenarioFascinating. Tell me more about this fictive game of yours.
>>732029604>andysHussies not even once
