He's right you know.https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/larian-publishing-chief-wades-into-the-fray-says-morrowind-updated-with-a-modern-combat-system-would-sell-like-f-king-hotcakes/
>>732169670No. Last thing Morrowind needs is fucking Skyrim combat
>>732169670that's funny because i feel like BG3 or Divinity would be a lot better updated with a modern combat system. Morrowind is more modern than both.
>>732169670Of course he's right. Only a complete fucking idiot thinks RNG going against what's very obviously visually represented on screen in a VISUAL MEDIUM is a good thing.>>732169807>It should be Skyrim combat but worse in every way, not Skyrim combat!
>>732169670Every Bethesda game after Morrowind (I'm sure some would agree including Morrowind) just got shittier compared to what came before, if modern Bethesda did anything to Morrowind it would likely be trash.
>a morrowind remaster in UE5it'd be absolutely vile and a tragedy
>>732169930>skyrim players when encountering rpg mechanics for the first time
Ah yes Morrowind for a "modern audience"
>>732169930yes he is right. a fool and his money are easily parted
>>732170037So bethesda would be very likely to do it then
>>732169670I just want one of the games to have spears man, I dont enjoy morrowinds gameplay so im stuck modding a janky spear into skyrim that just swings like any of the other two handers, then again maybe I just dont know a good mod so feel free to point any out if you know of them.
>>732169807>>732169837>>732169941>>732170050>>732170092uh, I think I'll trust the opinion of a leading industry veteran who has worked on 2023's Game of the Year than some anonymous retards who think morrowind's combat system is good.
he's right that they should update the combat system to sell the most copiesbut he's wrong that the combat system needs updating. zoomer brains just need updating. fucking faggot brainrot generation of effete soft dick homos. burn them all in a fucking oven.
>>732170202Halberds too. God i love polearms.
>>732170208>the opinion of a leading industry veteran who has worked on 2023's Game of the YearPublishing lead, not developer. Learn to read
>>732169670>Literal Wikipedia dialogue>Turn five times at a boulder to find the dungeon (Actually only twice)>Slow slow slow slow slow>No fast TravelI love Morrowind to death and play it on the regular, but absolutely fucking not, Sven. This game needs a rework from top to bottom to sell like hotcakes.
>>732170050Role playing and blind luck cannot coexist. I know you obese cretins think your profoundly gay tableslop is "role playing," but it isn't. It's craps for White losers. To play a role, the player needs to have agency within that role, and this requires their choices actually drive cause and effect directly, instead of random dice.RPGS:>Mass Effect>Witcher 3>FallOut New Vegas>Skyrim (Oblivion too but eh)Not RPG:>JRPGs>Diceslop
>>732170202>I just want one of the games to have spears manIt's crazy that they chose to cut literally the most ubiquitous weapon in human history that has probably killed more men than every other melee weapon combined many times over. I'd love to hear their rationale for that one.
>>732169670Imo he's right, but bethesda and NA devs are too retarded and think everything must be dumbed down like for babies for people to enjoy. Larian created 2 turn based in-depth RPG games that according to bethesda and the like should flop because muh too complex, yet both of the games were massive.I think a morrowind remastered would be a massive hit, if Bethesda cared they could also buy out the modding team behind Tamriel rebuilt and release the whole Morrowind region in the remastered.The only things i would change is to populate the map with mobs a little more (its empty due to limitations back in the day), and as for combat I would only replace missing attacks with something else, maybe evasion system that reduces damage instead of making your attack miss completely?
>>732170208youre going to trust the guy that shipped a game with turn based combat in modern day? guy has no idea what hes doing. 0 parry mechanics, 0 qtes, 0 slowdown for effect. hes a hack
>>732170319poor quality bait
>>732170371woah maybe they should just make a new game?
>>732170371>Larian created 2 turn based in-depth RPG games that according to bethesda and the like should flop because muh too complex, yet both of the games were massive.Yeah, just make them pr0n books and they'll sell.
>>732170472Oh yeah, they tried "new games" like starfield lmao. Elder Scrolls is an already established IP, and fuckton of people would try out Morrowind Remastered just because of that. Imagine all the Skyrim normies that never touched any other elder scrolls jumping on morrowind remastered.
>>732170440desperation quality cope
>>732170284>the "improved" combat
>>732169670only plebs think morrowind's combat needs to be updated
>>732170563So you don't know any larian game besides bg3 huh
>>732169670I like how he waited two days to weight in to make sure which opinion would give him the most praise. Artificial like everything else related to Troon's Gate.
>>732169670dude morrowind is more sophisticated than noitabut I assume you mean add roll slop
the reason i didn't into morrowind was it insists upon itself. you HAVE to pay attention to dialogue, you HAVE to know what stats do without looking up a buildthe combat was the only understandable part. you press button and you hit enemy
>>732170963>literal orgy in their game trailer
>nobody has ever said that morrowind good combat>all of the morrowind uncs come crawling out of their basement to defend the game's combat ITT
>>732169670I quite like morrowind, but anybody put some serious thoughts about "fixing" the game would come up with the reasoning that it's foundamentally broken. You fix one thing and suddenly discover three other consequential things to fix, so on forever.Like, you fix combat! It's balanced, the players got plenty of options each with their own costs/benefit, and if feels good.But then you discover that the enemies are poo. The game has basically three types of enemies and most of them are weirdly balanced.So you fix the enemies, make them all cool with unique abilities and behavior, but then you realize that the encounter design in the game is trash. 90% of the fights it's you getting assaulted by a single foe at a time. You try to fix it, you'll have to deal with the issues with pathfinding and level design. And so on, so on...A complete remake of morrowind would be cool, but Bethesda wouldn't be able to do it justice. Pretty much nobody today would be.
>>732170963I've played Divinity back before it was a book game for faggots like you. Faggots like you didn't buy it because it wasn't pr0n
>>732171135i cant believe you have to be engaged in a game
>>732169670Larian has been slurping Todd's cock for years trying to get a chance at a Fallout or TES release
>great game with dated gameplay would be great again with improvements If this is controversial to you, kill yourself immediately.
>as if skyrims combat is any betterPeople enjoy the pool noodle slap fest that is Skyrim's combat? Or the pathetic useless magic? Or the press button to epic mechanic? Just admit you want to fuck dragons.
>>732171135others will shit on you but I personally think your bait is masterfully crafted, well done nigga
>>732169670Pretty much the worst things about it are the combat, the ui, and the fact that everything is the same brown texture
>>7321702845 short blade uncharged attacks with an iron dagger
>>732169670It’s literally being made it’s called ‘wayward realms’ - it’s a spiritual successor
>>732172245>look up gameplay>combat isn't garbagenot a real spiritual successor to morrowind
>>732172245isn't that more of a daggerfall successor, and isn't it in development hell since lefay died?
>>732169670I don't want a Morrowind remake. Tamriel Rebuilt is all I need.
>>732170208have you considered forming your own opinion? it's a video game, you can just play it
Besides the fact that combat was a dice roll; in Morrowind you actually have to read and pay attention just to find a lot of the areas you need to visit for quests. Plus the fact that levitation is a thing so a few areas are built with that in mind, you are actually forced to explore instead of just running down a corridor until you reach the loot section and the shortcut to the exit.Skyrim kiddies would drop this game like a bad habit a few hours in.
>>732172573sounds like pure uncslop
>>732170668>Comparing a hitbox issue with shitty deliberate game design
>>732170319TW3 and ME are literally not RPGs, you play a preset characterif "you make choices that affect the story" is enough for you then even call of duty is an RPG
Just make it a crpg instead of a poorly made fps
>>732170208Gotys suck ass though
>>732169670N'WAHS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Everyone knows morrowind could do better with melee combat. I started using a mod that makes melee have impact effects when striking various materials. It feels so much better because I can see my sword hitting an armored opponent and causing sparks to fly off even with no damage. In my brain I can just say that it didn't get through his armor. Imo morrowind could use a glancing hit mechanic where you still do damage if you land the attack but not a full amount. Combine that with different weapon types doing more or less damage against various enemies like using a mace on skeletons or a sword on unarmored opponents. Give people a reason to use different weapons instead of whichever one chops for the most.
Larian is right but Bethesda wouldn't be able to do anything to improve Morrowind. Morrowind's gameplay sucked but the thing it did do was let you completely break the game so quickly that everyone mistakenly thought it was good. What would modern Bethesda do to modernize it? They never figured out how to make good gameplay...
>>732169807I hope when he said modern combat system he didn't mean the combat system of a 15 year old game, which was a devolved version of the combat system from oblivion.
>>732169670>appeal to retards>sell millionsYeah, makes sense.
>>732170208>uh, I think I'll trust the opinion of a leading industry veteranHe's responding to another leading industry veteran who said that Morrowind is dogshit and no one wants to play it.Your appeal to authority is schizophrenic.
>>732173805>appeal to retards is when the gameplay doesn't suck donky balls
>>732172758Forget the hitbox and look at the hp. Enemies in oblivion and Skyrim have bloated HP pools making what should be intense combat into a slog of chipping away health. Both games could have really benefited from limb location damage so your arrow through the knee actually crippled them. It gets even worse if you turn the difficulty up because all it does is raise their hp.
what fray
>modern combat>BAWWWW THAT MEANS SKYRIMThat shit is 15 years old and the combat was bad even then?
>>732170284I know I shouldn't stick my penis in there. HOWEVER
>>732173802He probably didn't mean so, but if you asked Bethesda to modernise Morrowind's combat it's what you'd get, and what you're getting with TESVIThere's also the fact that it's the most realistic solution, as overhauling the combat into a proper and good system would lead to having to redo practically the entire game like the other anon mentioned
Morrowind's combat is actually great. Feels so good starting a fresh, optimized character who already has 50-60 in a weapon skill and kicking ass starting at level 1.
>modern combatfucking faggot. its OG combat is fine if you're not a 70 iq mongoloid
>play morrowind back in the day>thrust, slash, chop with my weapon depending on WASD>"neat, shame there's no reason to attack in different ways since the damage is just objectively better if I thrust">"at least the rest of the game is good">play oblivion>they just removed it so now you just attack and block>they also removed my spear>play skyrim>there's a charge attack I really thought rpg combat would progress more in 20 years
>>732174380At this point I have to wonder how much further can they keep dumbing down the games. Will they make the gear work like in Fallout next, where it's just head, face and body slots?
>>732169670That would basically require redoing Morrowind's mechanics from the ground up. You can't just eliminate the random chance element of combat without touching how basically all skills work
>>732174380morrowind already had a charged attack
>>732174330>>732174346The best thing about Morrowind combat is how many retards it filters.This thread is a prime example.
>>732174660I don't remember that
>>732174867You didn't know holding the attack button increased the power of the attack?
>>732174867If you hold you charge the attack. Remember that in Morrowind they aren't giving you a damage range when you look at the weapon stats, the lowest attack value is for uncharged attacks and the highest for charged ones.
>>732174346>>732174863Hey Grok, is Morrowind's combat system any good?
>>732174474next game will have 1 armor slot called "armor" and leveling up will give you a roguelite style pick one of three pop up
>>732170284The issue with Morrowind is that it's a video game with tabletop combat. I get that having low skill, low stamina, and low stats make you worse with weapons, but at the end of the day if I'm a man that's never used a sword before, and I swing it at some little fucking grub, it'll hit it. It may not do the most damage it can, I may use way more stamina than needed to swing it, and I may not hit it cleanly enough to be confident in killing it in one swing, but it will make contact and do damage. The idea that you're missing what you plainly see happening in the visual representation that is a video game because of invisible stats is just dumb.A child wildly flailing an axe around is still dangerous. Nowhere near as dangerous as a warrior that's trained his body and mind for years to know exactly how to swing it the most efficiently and effectively one can, but if it hits you, it will still do damage.
>>732175050So yes
>>732174867did you never play the game?
>>732175115>i dont like table top combat>i know, ill play an rpgsmartest skyrim player
>>732175012No I don't remember that if I did that.I remember 24 years ago that I had a glass halberd and I could slash and chop with it, but that was pointless since thrusting dealt more damage.
>>732175115>and I swing it at some little fucking grub, it'll hit it.this nigger thinks he can hit a rat every single time he swings at it lmaojesus fuck you're deluded
>>732175183>glass halberdodd desu you'd think they'd have made halberds specifically able to do chop at least
>>732170368I think they've talked about it before, or maybe it was some anon's headcanon, but it had to do with them not figuring out how to make spear animations look good and make sense
>>732175401It's not like Skyrim is super well animated to begin with
>>732170284>make the worst build in the game>surprised you can’t hit a level 1 creature
>>732175268>In real life the rat is moving swiftly>In the video game, it's standing stillSo I'm just supposed to imagine I missed it?
>>732175174Morrowind doesn't have dice rolls, nor does it have turn based combat, so yeah it's not a tabletop RPG. It's a video game, if you didn't notice, retard-kun.
>>732175505>but at the end of the day if I'm a man that's never used a sword before, and I swing it at some little fucking grub, it'll hit it.at the end of the day it's a video game trying to replicate reality with limited technologyYou would not be able to hit a small target every time because you're just some jackass.Just like the character you make fresh off the boat in morrowind, I mean if you spec into being shit that is.
>>732175115>nd I swing it at some little fucking grub, it'll hit it. It may not do the most damage it can, I may use way more stamina than needed to swing it, and I may not hit it cleanly enough to be confident in killing it in one swing, but it will make contact and do damageSwinging and doing 1 damage is functionally the same. So your issue is that it doesnt have an animation. Kind of a stupid thing to get so hung up on.
>>732170050You people are fucking retarded. Nobody minds Morrowind's combat when it's in the right context. It's perfectly suited for an isometric CRPG or what have you, BUT if you're going to ask for active input but then active input doesn't really matter aside from maybe dodging some spells or running away from a fight, then all you've done is added needless busy work on top of what otherwise should be interfaced combat.If you're going to be active combat then don't do gay retarded aborted half-measures like Morrowind's.
>>732175505Yes. That's literally what morrowdrones have been saying for years when confronted with the fact that their sacred cow videogame has shit combat with horrendous feedback.
i cant believe video games are not like real life
>>732173686I feel like that would just make them feel like critical hits instead, so you'd just have people complaining about why their weapons do so little damage anyways
>>732175050Damn, they finally lobotomized it to stop saying Elon's the best cocksucker in the universe and it claims that Vivec's better at sucking dicks. The wokies have won
I'm making an epic ACTION RPG for us fellow morrowind enjoyers. The "gameplay" will stay true to the best game of all time (hint: that's morrowind ;)), consisting of an attack button, move, and jump. It will not have any animations because those are bloat and for normies, but I'll add many hecking complex hidden formulas that calculate the hit chance, so you can feel smart while posting on an anonymous forum.Pay me $150 for early access.
>>732176149this truly looks like an epic winrar in the makingskybabbies and other normies will never understand kino of this magnitudei've been told that i'm very smart for my age btw, i feel like i was born in the wrong generation
>>732175340Yeah I guess, would've been slightly more immersive if the slashing or chopping had more damage on halberds, but wouldn't have mattered much, since you'd just thrust anyway.It just seemed like a Elder Scrolls combat had a promising future as a kid, and it didn't really reach my expectations.Like even with a spear and not a halberd, sure you're gonna wanna thrust this weapon, because that's what spears are for, it would've been nice if you could sweep with the blunt end in some circumstances, maybe aiming the thrust at specific points on the enemy.Or with a halberd after a combo of thrusts you stagger and leave the left side opening for a slash or grazing cut.Kind of stuff I was hoping for for later games.Been playing some kingdom come deliverance recently, I hate the lock on camera since it makes it feel like a clunky console game, but it looked kinda neat with how I could swing my sword in 6 different directions and thrust. Functionally it seemed a bit spammy though, but maybe it's actually very good later in the game when you understand it better.
>>732176384weapon damage resists would definitely have made melee combat far more interesting
>>732173951>look at the hpRecord the webm on Normal instead of Legendary, or re-record >>732170284 with the difficulty slider all the way to the right.
>>732172762????They're literally rpgs with character tuning and everything. Just because the character "has a preestablished idendity" that doesn't mean its not an rpg.
>>732169807>>732169670I think an overhauled combat system wouldn't be bad but giving it skyrim-esq combat would fucking suck
>>732175641so youre mad theres no animation
>>732169807>Skyrim combatThe same thing as Morrowind with an "always hit" mod. It's the same damn thing except with better animations.
Why doesn't any RPG just steal the combat from Chivalry-likes?Swing, stab, and overhead. Three simple moves that make combat flow so much better. Low skill can only swing your weapon like an idiot, medium skills unlock stabs and overheads, higher skill lets you combo between them, maybe have various bonuses when you combo rather just using the highest damage move per weapon type.
>>732177553>The same thing as Morrowind with an "always hit" modAnd also shields that can actually be used actively, bashing that interrupts enemy attacks and staggers, and working stealth that doesn't rely on abusing chameleon.I'm convinced morrowdrones don't actually play videogames not even their favorite morrowshit lol
>>732169807Skyrim combat isn't modern, it's 15 years old
>>732178203>Why doesn't any RPG just steal the combat from Chivalry-likes?God I wish.I fear that sadly combat in rpgs just doesn't move sales so they can just coast, and that some people would even complain in case it becomes too difficult.
>>732169670Combat yes but it also needs to be updated with the living NPCs with schedules and relationships and stuff like Oblivion and SkyrimBut then looking at how they dropped the ball on this in Starfield that doesn't seem likely.
>>732169670The only issue with morrowind combat is how ridiculously easy it is to circlestrafe/in-and-out to dodge basically every enemy attack and most spells, and how you really can't do anything but attack a single target so positioning basically doesn't matter except for running away and getting caught on geometry and gangbanged to death. Also all the weapons are basically the same two types, click really fast up close, or click and hold slightly further away. I don't know if it really could be fixed without completely replacing it, but it'd be nice to make it less of a pain in the ass by adding in the "hold to keep attacking" and reversing the actions so it's swing instantly for max damage, then wait for a cooldown to recharge. Basically just make everything work like the crossbow to avoid shortblade induced carpal tunnel syndrome. Magic is broken and janky, but fun enough to just leave alone, stealth is completely fucked and broken though and I have no idea how you'd fix it.
>>732178249blocking in skyrim was wildly op because it made you near invincible, not exactly a step upalso morrowind has staggers from melee attacksand finally calling any bethesda game's stealth "working" is a fucking joke nigger lmao jesus christ
>>732179639>and finally calling any bethesda game's stealth "working" is a fucking joke nigger lmao jesus christhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LATqki9DAqU
>>732179639>blocking in skyrim was wildly op because it made you near invincible, not exactly a step upIrrelevant to the point.>also morrowind has staggers from melee attacksRandom staggers you get in morrowshit aren't comparable to bash staggers that you can get in Skyrim by interrupting power attacks.>and finally calling any bethesda game's stealth "working" is a fucking joke nigger lmao jesus christOblivion, Skyrim and all of Bethesda's Fallouts do in fact have working stealth, meanwhile morrowshit's is non-functional without chameleon.
these retarded devs just need to quietly give money to tamriel rebuilt, etc. and let the passionate people take the lead. also so it can be finished before 2050.
>>732180162Tamriel rebuilt doesn't fix the trash gameplay.
>>732180247neither will aaa devs
>>732169670They should remake The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard first
>>732180294Every bethesda game that came out since morrowind has better gameplay, so you're obviously wrong. It's ok though, being wrong, dumb and stupid is a common trait among morrowind """"fans"""".
>>732180687
>>732180072>Irrelevant to the point.>mechanic makes combat worse>irrelevantfuck off>Random staggers you get in morrowshit aren't comparable to bash staggers that you can get in Skyrim by interrupting power attacks.Why?>Oblivion, Skyrim and all of Bethesda's Fallouts do in fact have working stealth, meanwhile morrowshit's is non-functional without chameleon.you're fucking delusional>attack guy>crouch down>you are no longer a targetwow incredible fucking stealth, you're a morondon't reply to me
>>732181582Active blocking doesn't make the combat worse. Same goes for stealth. Just because you can abuse something doesn't mean it's bad, if you were actually serious about your bitching then you'd advocate for removal of alchemy in morrowshit.Random staggers aren't comparable because they are RANDOM, retard. They can't be relied on for strategic use, there's no determinism.You can keep crying and shitting your pants all you want, morrowdrone, it won't fix the trash gameplay of your favorite mediocre game lol
>>732181582>>attack guy>>crouch down>>you are no longer a targetthat's literally not how it works lol. even if you use items that reset detection when you crouch (ebony mail is the only one that comes to mind) don't immediately drop it to zero, you have to actually be out of view
>>732182057Morrowdrones don't play videogames.
The combat was by far the weakest aspect of Morrowind. It was always an annoyance when it happened and people pretending otherwise are doing just that, pretending.
>>732178203Why don't you make that game then?
>>732178203Chivalry looks fucking retarded.
>>732182259No one is masturbating while spam clicking in morrowind i assume you.
>>732169670Their idea of a 'modern' BG game was to ignoer the BG mechanics, ignore most of the fucking content and release a game that was 30% of the content promised, pad out the gameplay with walking in huge empty areas and long drawn out battles due to how slow shit is along with a fucking retarded as fuck 'le dungeon master voiceover' to make their shitty 10 hour game into a 60 hour gameso no, he's not wrong but if he and his scam studio made it, it'd be probably just ending at Vivec with you getting given Sunder/Keening/wraithguard, aten minute speech about how you and only you must fight Dagoth Ur and a 40 minute drawn out turn based battle of 'get to the heart asap we must stop him' where every fucking 10 tyurns more enemies spawn in for 'le hecking epic turn based tactics'
>>732180432Redguard would fail today even harder than it did 30 years ago.
>>732182601>pad out the gameplay with walking in huge empty areasStopped reading there, you didn't play BG3.
>>732182601Least schizophrenic Larian hater.
>>732170239Too edgy
You can have Morrowinds combat system with its rng but with a modern twist.Instead of the stupid miss with the same animation make the character clumsy or some shit. Maybe as a compromise you can also make it more similar to mount and blade with directional blocking, but have block chance be informed by your block skill, what you're using to block and your actual reflex action.So now instead of 1 variable you have the original variable + human skill + item (daggers reduced block chance/chance they break through your block/with strength modifying it) Or some shit I'm just spitting ideas herez and realistically the best we faithful can hope for is something like that
>>732169670Bethesda is retarded but even they have realized by now that they completely lack the talent to revisit Morrowind in any capacity
hmm, I should start a morrowind playthrough. What mods do we recommend?
>>732170239Take it easy grandpa
>>732169670>Morrowind with better combatI'd be interested. That's the main thing keeping me from replaying it.
>>732183076I can see this. Shields that are larger having better block modifiers but are slower to position so you may not get the reflex action boost....so if you're really good at being twitchy maybe go with a smaller sized shield.Bruv now that I think about it if hope for that over WHAT I KNOW THEY WOULD FUCKING DO REEEEEEE.
>>732169930Have rng+ skill + item modifier
>>732183109Open mw total conversion or path of the incarnate
>>732169670yo this modern combat fire fr
>>732183109The secret uninstall wizard mod, it comes included with the game, check your installation directory.
>>732183323Looks infinitely more engaging than morrowind.
>>732183323skyrim is 14 years old (fuck me) and at the time the combat was already outdated, stop regurgiting this shit
>>732169670>f**kingAnyone doing this should be lined up against a wall and shot in the groin.
>>732183109
>>732169670He is not right.
>>732178249>shields that can actually be used activelyGot me on that, though holding down a button to be invincible isn't exactly good gameplay>bashing that interrupts enemy attacks and staggersYou can do this in Morrowind>working stealth that doesn't rely on abusing chameleonIt doesn't rely on chameleon and I really wouldnt call holding down a button to be invincible and 1shot enemies good gameplayBut that's ok, you're allowed to be an absolute retard with bitch-made opinions.Cope, seethe, dilate, etc
>>732183323So what do you guys think TES VI going to do differently when it comes to melee? Chivalry: Elder scrolls edition?
morrowind combat is more fun than skyrim's
>>732183476>>bashing that interrupts enemy attacks and staggers>You can do this in MorrowindYet another retarded morrowdrone that hasn't played the game he's slobbering over kek
>>732183476>Can't hit some fucker>drain his agility because magic doesn't miss>watch him fall over when I poke him Gotta love it.
>>732183549Hold down the attack button. Now release it while the enemy is doing the same thing. See that stagger? You did put points into strength and your weapon skill, right?You should try playing the games you want to discuss.>>732183583based
when is /v/ going to admit that the souls games have the best combat in any action RPG? there's a reason why so many other developers are imitating the souls formula.
A Morrowind remaster / remake with a modernized combat system could be amazing in theory, the problem is there's no way modern Bethesda wouldn't completely fuck it up so I'd rather they not try. Maybe that French company that remade Oblivion could do it.
>>732183758"shockwaves"
>>732183758>the souls gamesmaybe up to DS2after that it's all literal rollsloppa
Play Viewtiful Joe.
>>732169670I never even played this game but the "I'M A GOD" guy is one of the beat vidya characters ever made
>>732169807Skyrim combat would be dogshit. Get us the niggas who made Dark Messiah (but leave the boot out).
>>732175401Make the player model visible to the player in first person and work from there.Depth perception in first person games is only rough because you're trying to sell the illusion that the overlay of your character's arms is physically interacting with the world.Let the player see their actual character's movements from first person, and it'll make way more sense.
>>732183983I was about to object but realized the combat is still fantastic even without the best part.
>>732182272Because I'm a fat, lazy, retarded loser.>>732182314That's only """high level""" play with people exploiting hit boxes and shit. Before all the spinning blender drags and crouch-lookup dodges the combat was fun.
>>732183362it looks exactly the same except with far more bloated health pools, what are you smoking
>>732183549have you played morrowind?staggerlocking difficult enemies is a really easy to use tactic you can do at basically any time using a dagger
>>732169670i tried oblivion re-microwaved and politely disagreesome old jank is simply unfixable
Morrowind is special because it has amazing lighting, atmosphere, music, and soul. The combat is shit, but people got over it because the best part of the game is role playing through the story and then utterly breaking it late game with potions.
>>732183493i mean given their development pattern they will find some way to make it more streamlined and probably strip away a feature or two that was in the previous entry, so maybe they'll get rid of dual wielding
>>732175401All they have to do is add some weighted movement speed when turning during an attack.
>>732183549You can even cancel out an enemy's missile spells by hitting them with your own missile (arrow, fireball, etc.)
>>732169670>man who doesn't understand anything about action combat systems weighs inhow quaint
Stop turning RPGs into action games. RPGs do not need action game combat, most of the time it distracts from the primary appeal of the genre.
>>732182630Zoomers deserve to play The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
>>732174297They did Avowed.The combat in that was goodIts just everything else in the game sucks ass
>>732169670I don't want modern combat.I like Morrowind combat.Morrowind was a fucking beautiful masterpiece that I grew up on.It's rolling dice. That's fine. I grew up on D&D too.
>>732185464I like the basic layers of morrowind's combat but it can definitely be improved on, with mods.>feedback on missing>ai improvements>enchant spells using regular spell animation>potion limits>sprint and also a fatigue adjustmentbut obviously no magicka regen, that's just gay shit
I don't want a remake of Morrowind. Remakes are almost universally shit and taint the original. A spin off though set either in the days leading up to the eruption of Red Mountain or the immediate aftermath but on the mainland. That'd be cool
>>732185578jesus imagine, they release a remake but remove OG morrowind from steam/gog/whatever imagine being a kid and never being able to access actual morrowind without piracy, not that pirating it's a big deal, but still
>>732185610>imagine being a kid and never being able to access actual morrowindthat would be doing all kids a favor by preventing them from touching that unc shit
>>732185665>uncYou must be 18 years old to post here
>>732169670Make it turn based.
>>732175115If you've never used a sword before and try to fight something, there is a high chance you'll stab yourself, actually.Literally go outside, pick up a stick and try to swing it around without hitting yourself. Or take a kitchen knife and twirl it like a cool assassin thief, reverse grip and all. Now imagine it's a huge heavy sharp chunk of metal instead.Heck, it's common people to punch themselves when starting boxes, doing uppercuts.
>>732169807skyrim didn't have modern combat, it had quake 1 melee style combat
Just a reminder to all the zoomies that your parents are dying. :)
>>732185792>create new character >put all points into long blade>can't hit mudcrab with dagger because OOPS! long blade is different from short blade.
>>732185762Thats the answer right there, give it to Larian, make it isometric and turn based, add some zesty companions, cant go wrong with it.
>>732183493Same as Skyrim, but more ebin shout powers. RPG systems and character progression will be nonexistent. It's clear Todd & Co hate RPG elements and want them gone from their games. Probably some kind of gear crafting like in FO4 at most.
>>732185762All jokes aside, morrowind would work great as a might and magic game.
>>732169670Really it doesn't even need that. The only thing that it needs is to adjust the dice rolls at the start so that you don't need to have your character starting with 40 skill in your chosen weapon to hit anything. Just make it so you do less damage to compensate for actually hitting. Then keep the mid to end game the same. Your other choice is to have a tutorial mode to show people how the skill system effects how easy it is to hit things and what holding your attack and the direction attacks do. Once players realize how to build an effective character at the start, they will enjoy it more.Man, now I want to get back to playing Morrowind again.
>>732185929One is Short another is Long, so they are different, correct.
>>732170284I rented this on Xbox back in the day and I just gave up after doing this.
>>732185929Good thing you can buy a long blade right at the start of the game with the money you get.
>>732186053>Man, now I want to get back to playing Morrowind again.Think you'll make it outta Seyda Neen this time you fucking faggot? Or would that be too hard for you? Hope your family dies bitch.
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>>732174468Fallout 4 has more armor slots than skyrim
>>732186098Not if you swim around and drop the gold out of your inventory while you swim and can't find it
>>732169670I'm surprised a nigger from Larian isn't saying adding bestiality, cuckolding and drag queens into Morrowind would make it sell like hotcakes
>>732186389sorry that happened to you, bud, try not to be fat next time
>>732169670Awful idea. I can imagine that they'll also 'rebalance' spellmaking and enchanting for the worse
>>732169670Maybe, if done correctly. Sure. Why not.
>>732186467It would make me consider buying it, for sure. As it is now, Morrowind is free.
>>732183532it is
>>732169807What was updated about skyrims combat
Morrowind is a good RPG with good RPG combat. Skyrim is a shitty RPG with shitty action game combat.
Someone is working on remaking morrowind as a mod in elden ring
>>732175505Yes? The game is full of abstractions like this. The entire series is.
>>732178203Because it takes more work
>>732169670No larian game has good combat so why the fuck would I trust these dipshits?They're fundamentally wrong anyway you can't have "modern" combat be highly dependent on stats. The reason why morrowind combat sucks according to retards is because your character fucking sucks at combat.
>>732169670>modern combat system
>>732170319playing with the cards you are dealt is part of the role you are playing even in real lifeyou are right about one thing however, it's an inherently white concept to manifest destiny instead of raging over uncontrollable factors such as luckthank you for playing, try again in your next life
>>732172762>These games are not roleplaying games because you play a roleThey're truer to the genre than choose your own adventure slop like anything with a character creator. Self insertion is not roleplaying.
>>732170284>>732174206
>>732170371>Larian created 2 turn based in-depth RPG games that according to bethesda and the like should flop because muh too complex, yet both of the games were massive.it was not because of the mechanics. Otherwise Troika would still be around and be directly competing with Bethesda. While Underrail or Colony Ship would be blockbuster hits It was because of high production values like detailed models, good/colorful art direction and mocapped cutscenes. Not atrocious writing and system depth are just cherries on top
>>732188894Wrong on both accounts.
>>732169807You are right. It needs Elden Ring combat.
>>732185762>>732169670I wish it was Fallout 1/2/Tactics like.
>>732172451Sorry yeah you’re right daggerfall, and it seems like it’s out of said hell given recent dev updates but who knows
>>732191982wow someone managed to make the combat even worse
>>732178203I would love to play a game like that with proper bots, I just don't have the ping to do them multiplayer.
>>732170284>you're playing an RPG>you have awful combat stats>you fight an enemy and can't hit for shit and deal low damage>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH THE COMBAT IS BADSo people just want to automatically win a game, not actually develop their character?There's a game for that, and it's called Skyrim. With zero effort you can win every fight you come across, hell, within the first 15 minutes you're already killing a fucking dragon. Prime game for utter retards.I loved that in KCD you can't just mow down a group of trained Cuman soldiers as a peasant with zero experience of swinging a real sword, even random highwaymen can fuck you up if you're not careful, and as you practice and train, eventually you can hold your own in combat. That is how you make a compelling "modern combat system" in an action game
>>732192068> worseThis is a RPG, not Fortnite or Elden ring.
>>732188894Correct on both counts
>>732169941>(I'm sure some would agree including Morrowind)The people who say this are lying posers and you can be sure they've never even played Arena or Daggerfall.
>>732175505>wtf i have to use my imagination when playing a video game? if i cant see it it doesnt existunderage of hell
>>732169807He means Souls combat, retard
>>732192401>With zero effort you can win every fight you come across, hell, within the first 15 minutes you're already killing a fucking dragonthe chosen one narrative in skyrim was kind of a massive fucking buzzkill compared to all previous games
>>732175050>not conventionally "good" but it's brillianthuh
>>732175050>prioritizes character growth over player skillSo it's a game for shitters. Thanks Grok!
make morrowind with souls combat. bang zoom sales straight to the moon (sugar)
>>732169670Morrowind with Elden Ring combat.
>but muh FPS/souls abilitySweat tards should just see their "hits" bounce off every time the chars stat roll fails. Bonus if they injure themselves on crit fails
>>732169807He clearly said modern combat, anon. The combat systems in Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim are nearly the same and all shit.
>>732170284HOLLLLLYYYYYYYY KKKKIIIINOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
>>732170092its called Skywind, chud
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>>732194125>Kick the baby!
>>732169807Holy shit youre retarded
>>732191982>"YOUR WOUNDS ARE GREAT!">"NWAH!">"YOU'LL MAKE A FINE PAIR OF BOOTS LIZARD!"
>>732189003I've seen the demo vid, it's neato
>>732169670let arkane handle the combat, they can build proper solid base systems but suck at balancing which can easily be fixed by mods
Its only because people pick up the dagger and fight with no stamina. Morrowind was made for literate people with 100 IQ. Thats all it is.
>uncslop
>>732170208uh, he's saying that Morrowind is good though? I guess you latched onto the part where he didn't care about the combat system as it appeals to your own retardation?
>>732169670He's right because morrowind combat is fucking dogshit.
The combat system in Morrowind creates an experience that combines unpredictable elements with overwhelming frustration. The outcome of your weapon swing functions as a coin toss because your level 50 swordmage can miss a mudcrab at point-blank range while a bandit lands a crit out of nowhere. The entire system operates through random number generation and statistical attributes so that players lose control over their game outcomes which result from their shooting and battle strategies. The game system includes slow character movements and awkward enemy targeting together with spells that stop working without explanation which creates a system that penalizes players for attempting to fight in real combat. The experience resembles dice rolling because you must wait to see if you will live through the game. You aren't really playing the game you're just playing a slot machine.
>>732194936>while a bandit lands a crit out of nowhereThank you israelGPT
>>732170284I like to think they picked a dagger to spam with because it would do less damage, but accidentally picked the best weapon type for attack spam over charged swings.
The combat’s okay. I love Morrowind in spite of the combat, desu. There’s some fun mechanics like shooting spells out of the air with marksman stuff, and some fights are intense (bugged Gedna Relvel with 6 gorillion hp) but combat mostly gets in the way. I have the most fun spamming Windform and oneshotting with daedric dai katanas, and that’s not good combat
>>732169670> Nesmith originally worked at Bethesda in the 1990s as a designer for The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall before leaving the company. He did not return to Bethesda until 2004, two years after Morrowind was released. opinion disregarded, dev is just sour grapes he didnt work on the game.
>>732175505Yes?You think people would like the game more if all these early game enemies were scurrying around their feet at a realistic speed and they kept missing that way?
>linking directly to pcgamerenjoy your ban, shill
>>732186389Before or after you do the multiple quests with cash rewards you can find at the beginning of the game that require attacking absolutely nothing whatsoever?
>>732194450Fuck dunmers.
>>732169670It wouldn't sell any better than the Oblivion remakeI guarantee you that it would be complete UE5 slop made by Indians and they will be completely unable to recapture the magic that made Morrowind what it is.I'd rather just keep waiting for for SkyWind
I did a playthrough of Skyrim with a Perfect guard and a Parry modwas p fun
>>732173686I really like the combat log mod for Daggerfall because I'm an imagination chad
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>>732169807Just take out the random chance to miss. It's literally that simple.
morrowind combat is literally just skyrim combat with dice rolls its not that differenttheyre both shit
>>732198413yep. i never undrstood why people hated it so much. just gear/skill correctly and it's a non issue
>>732169670But there is literally nothing wrong with Morrowind's combat if you aren't retarded? Besides, there isn't a single "modern combat system" (whatever that means) that could factor in attributes and skills of the character without also being dogshit like Oblivion's.
>>732170284>people not understanding this is a joke
add a dodge animation to enemies and yourself (not a dodge roll, not a dash, an ANIMATION) and maybe some training manuals that give you 'combos' (left, up and down) to do extra damage or debuff an opponent and morrowind's combat and it'll be infinitely better. the annoying thing about these discussions is the binary between should morrowind be a soulslike or should you just accept morrowind at face value. Morrowind's combat can be improved while retaining its dice roll elements.
>>732169670>modern combat systemNo, the combat system itself was fine.What most people who couldn't imagine how it would feel what not having had breakfast this morning would be like don't understand that Morrowind was merely lacking in the graphical representations of the failed dice rolls.There is only a *miss* sound effect because it was unfeasable to animate what that sound ACTUALLY represented:Not exclusively the incompetence of the attacker but also the competence of the defender by the means of dodging, parrying and blocking.We only get a blocking animation for shield wielders and people don't get upset when the enemy raises their shield but the *miss* sound is functionally the very same thing. It merely lacks visual representation.The numbers determining the outcomes in a CRPG is a good system that doesn't need to be modernised mechanically only visually.
How about this:>Chivalry style combat>damage scales off of strength>animation speed scales off of weapon skill>enemies dodge and parry better at higher levels making the animation speed essential to overwhelm them>low skill makes weapons sluggish and enemies easily overwhelm youWould that work for a modern game? You get your skyrim combat but you still miss everything if your weapon skill level is shit.
>>732169670i want to play morrowind souls and i would pay full aaa game price for it
>>732183758>there's a reason why so many other developers are imitating the souls formula.it's simplistic (therefore easy to implement) and trendy (therefore likely to succeed)
>>732169670Yeah right, the only thing that would do is trigger the morroboomers and make them cry about how their perfect 11/10 masterpiece of gaming has been soiled.
>>732169807He meant dark souls combat
>>732201463Actually according to the article he means VATS as bizarre as that is.
Oblivion has the best combat mechanics in the Elder Souls series.
What a horrible fucking thread, Jesus.
>>732201653Oblivion does not have any hit reactions. At least in Morrowind if you have high enough skill to actually hit the enemy they flinch and even crumple to the ground and shit.
>>732201804Oblivion has the power attack perks that can paralyze, send the enemy flying and stuff like that
>>732201463>>732201504Morrowind have the same combat as oblivion or skyrim, but instead of hitting a sponge enemy 20 times to kill it, you hit it 20 times with 10 misses and 10 hits.Darksouls have a turn based combat, you bait the enemy swing, then you swing, he swing, you swing. VAT is just retarded, OMEGALUL The only thing I don't like in Morrowind combat is a necessity to swap between weapon stance unsheathe the blade and magic hands stance. It should have been one mode. LMB for a swing, RMB for a spell.
>>732171370when you try to discuss futa with americans
>>732200140>>732183076These are the only ideas I would find acceptable. Maintain the stat based combat with blend it in with a twist, kcd/kcd2 did that and if it was less janky it would have worked. Kcd2 I think pull up off better, but masterstrike existing is silly.But knowing Bethesda they'll dumbify the shit out of the combat.
What does modern combat even mean? Guns with res dot optics? Drone warfare?
>>732202073In Morrowind you eventually get enough Agility and weapon skill to hit enemies 100% of the time without needing to keep your fatigue bar full and you can make quick work of high level mobs even without abusing magic, meanwhile Skyrim and Oblivion's level scaling will keep the combat a pillow fight that requires you to slap your enemies with plastic paddles for 15 minutes each through your entire playthrough.
>>732177553>>732183983>>732191907>>732192831>>732198337>>732201463>just remove the RPG elements from the RPG
>>732169670yeah... that's why Hytale is so much more popular than minecraft now... It was always about the lack of flashy combat haha...
>>732202607damnitthe dumbest person who browses /v/ decided to post in our thread
Even with RNG dicerolls Morrowind's combat feels way more weighty and impactful than Skyrim or Oblivion. When you hit a motherfucker with a massive twohanded hammer the enemy will likely get knocked down and the sound of the impact is a satisfying WHACKMeanwhile in Skyrim and Oblivion no matter the weapon it feels like you're hitting people with pool noodles
>>732169670I do agree. While the original combat system has its strengths, it filters a huge amount of normies. Some see it as a positive, though.I know a lot of you won't like this, but if we mixed some bits of rollsloppa combat with it (equip any weapon/shield in either hand, two-hand anything, giving some special oomph to unique shit) it would be a vast improvement IMO.
>>732169670The problem with Morrowind's combat isn't that it's to-hit, the problem is that it sucks. The earlier TES games also had to-hit and they were actually fun to play.
Damnit.A retard who thinks Souls games are RPGs replied to my post.
>>732169670Larian fatigue
>>732203064I also remembered another thing, InfernoPlus (the guy who ported Halo into Dark Souls) is porting Morrowind into Elden Ring. He also discovered that for some godforsaken reason ER has a 16-bit integer limit (65536) on dialogue lines.
>>732202367It's just the new buzzword for>How do we sell our old shit at a premium price because it's easier and cheaper without retards thinking they're buying our old shit at a premium price because it's easier and cheaper
>>732202594At that point the game no longer has any challenge left though.
>>732169930I find the combat in Morrowind is more engaging because its obvious that my leveling up actually matters and is noticeable.
>>732201736First Morrowind thread?
>>732169670Guys I love morrowind but even at the time it came out people criticised its combat system. Dont pretend its flawless.
Morrowinds thrust, chop, slash mechanics has unexplored potential IMO. Imagine if the game got rid of hit chance nonsense that doesn't translate and adopted some Hellish Quart deflect mechanics.
>>732205749play some Mount and Blade nigga
>Redditrim combat>an improvementLOL
>>732169670Fuck off Andy and get a real job.
>>732169670>modern combat systemnah, just make it clear when a miss is a missand maybe tweak leveling a bit so it's not as bullshit as in og mw and oblivion
>>732169670>modern combatthis just means turning the game into a 3rd person action combat rpgall "modern combat" is action-oriented for some reason, I'm not saying Morrowind combat was good but it was baked into its rpg elements, modern games don't really do this anymore because they think it's "clunky" or whateveryou'd change the core soul of the game by modernizing its combat
>>732169670He's clearly wrong, Morrowind needs an older combat system: GothicImagine actually getting new and better animations as you level up your combat skills, unlike that bethesda turd.
>>732202759Oblivion was a massive improvement just because you could raise your shield. Otherwise the combat felt very samey compared to morrowind. Missing hits was sovlful, made me feel like i was playing a d&d campaign.
>>732169670Morrowind's combat sucks but is there a single Western action RPG that actually has good combat? Skyrim definitely doesn't count, and they wouldn't use a system like KCD's but that's mid anyway. The only one I can see working is something like Dark Messiah's but that doesn't work without good level/arena design to support it.
