>Silksong sold 7 million copies probably more at this point>Metroid Prime 4 sold between 1-2 million copiesSo when do we rename the genre, /v/?
hollowtroid...
>>732187342Metroid Prime 4 isn't a Metroidvania. Also, Lost Crown > Silksong.
>>732187579>Negro of PersiaLMAOOOOOOOOOO
Prime 4 is a Haloid.Silksong is a Hollowvania
When they release a game better than Super Metroid (they are incapable)
>>732187342>Of the 13 games in the Metroid series that aren't just unambiguously remakes or remasters, 6 if them aren't even Metroidvania games>Dread is the only Metroidvania released in the last 20 years in the series and it's not even fully committed to the bitYeah, Metroidvania isn't really cutting it anymore, but just reusing the title of another series is lazy.
>>732187342the "metroidvania" only refers to castlevania games with a metroid style game mapit's not really a genre>>732187694that's not how it works
Silk-em-ups
>>732187810>the "metroidvania" only refers to castlevania games with a metroid style game mapYou need to accept that this is no longer true and hasn't been for a very long time. Metroidvanias are "games like Metroid and the post-SOTN Castlevanias"
>>732187579>Muh hecking teleport puzzles and parryslop combat with canned cinematic animationsSoulless flop
>>732187342Prime isn't a Dreadtroidvania. neither is silksong
>>732187342>>Metroid Prime 4 sold between 1-2 million copiesNot evenIt's likely both the Switch 1 and 2 versions combined failed to sell a million
The real genre is called Metroid-likes BTW
>>732187886Way better platformer and way harder platform sections.You didnt play the game
>>732187342Since the defining feature is exploring a topographically complex level with the player being given significant agency (progress defined by pick-ups and capability, not scripted events), I propose calling them "Libra Agere" games.
I still like Metroid Dread more than both Hollow Knight and Silksong. Simply put games with the speedbooster (or an equivalent) are superior to those that lack it
>>732188038i think silksongs' speed is more satisfying once you have the silkspeed gauntlets and sprint. And with the flea brew on top you get waaaay faster horizontal speeds than almost any metroidvania recently
ITS 2026WHERE THE FUCK IS SEA OF SORROW
>>732188401I wish Silksong had a horizontal escape sequence.The Abyss escape was kino but imagine a sidescrolling chase.
>>732188401I disagree. Even with all the buffs you can apply at the end of the day it's just a run button. You get hit or lose your flow and you can just hold a button to get back into the sprint. The speedbooster takes finesse to maintain and is used for fun item collection puzzles.Also shinesparking
>outsold both Dread and Prime 4 combinedGrim.
Metroid and Castlevania were pioneers, in a fledgling industry.Hollow Knight and Silksong are vapid clones in a well established industry.
>>732187965Where are you getting that information?
>>732187342I do luv me some Hollowvania
>>732189584Only Metroid is and even then shit like Faxanadu were already a thing
>>732188569the difference is that it actually takes effort to keep that sprint going and make use of its full potential. good fucking luck doing "just sprint again" with silkspeed gauntlets and flea brew unless you have a really flat spotmaintaining speed booster is piss easy in comparison
>>732189584igavanias were not pioneers
>>732189879You literally just hold the run button. To even get a speedbooster off the ground you need a good run up
>>732190162you need to hold the run button except the obstacles, enemies, etc are infinitely more effortful to deal with unless you are in an extremely flat locationrushing through the more dense parts of the citadel, bilewater, sinners path, mount fay, etc at genuine maximum speed requires great reaction time and control, its pretty satisfying. metroid is a great game but that can be easily doneb y old boomers that hardly play action games
>>732187579WE WUZ KANGS
>>732187342Favourite SilkHollow, /v/?
>>732187579Zero cultural impact
its called search action retards
>>732190883Japs don't play Metroid and thus get no say in the name of the genre
Prime deserved it
>>732187342Should have renamed it after the first one sold 15mil.
>>732187579Man Lost Crown was a surprisingly great game. Picked it up during Thanksgiving sale and played it and silksong back to back. Was a good month of gaming December was.
>>732187579>Lost Crown > Silksong>Requires 3rd-Party Account: Ubisoft Account (Supports Linking to Steam Account)
>>732188362Hmm.
>>732187342>So when do we rename the genre, /v/?When blacks average IQ rises to 110.
>>732187342Metroid prime series isn't the main Metroid series, and thank god for that.
>>732187342Never, and predictably, SS isn't as popular as HK and already the vast majority of "fans" who declared it GOTY 2025 have forgotten it even exists.
>>732192156It won a GOTY on Steam. That's definitely not a forgotten game.
>>732192156It already sold of what HK did
>>732187579literally whomio is the new fotm bro
>>732187342That's not how language works
>>732187342>So when do we rename the genre, /v/?never, that's not how it works you retard. you guys love calling everything under the sun a "roguelike" but Rogue was a flop that probably didn't sell 100k copies. Sales have nothing to do with what inspires a genre, otherwise every game on steam would be tagged as an Isaaccells
>>732194320>>732194030Hollowlike is already a subgenre thoughbeit
>>732194030if you cant understand OP you are a ESL faggot
>>732187342Is this a good example to point to for developers/publishers to stop being greedy kikes pricing their games at $70+tip+tax if they want guaranteed profits? Ninja Gaiden 4 could've learned a thing or two from Silksong, probably would've been a sleeper hit and captured a newer, wider audience curious about such a notorious series being priced around $30-$40 instead of completely bombing at $70
I haven't even played Silksong yet, it is worth it?
>>732195506It's pretty good, but nothing particularly special
>>732195424the problem for something like ng4 that their production values is just too big and the game just cant appeal enough to get the sales beyond the guaranteed part from marketingbut yeah many well received $70 games would have profited more at $30-40 or even $15
>>732195506Silksong is an absolutely transcendent experience that raises the benchmark and watermark of the entire genre to exhilariating new heights while also offering an outrageously fair price point, which allows it to serve as both an excellent gift, a not-too-indulgent treat, and an affordable pick in today's market.
>>732187342We don't need any more gay names for sub-genres of games.
>>732195506The lore is honestly awful. Hollow knight was already questionable but Silksong is on another level of "let the fans fill in the blanks so they fix our awful story". I don't like the Dark Soul trend of making the story super vague on purpose
>>732196098Shazam lost and got raped
>>732188362Second panel, bottom of the PC case.
>>732196289Who?
>>732196098Silksong was a massive improvement in this regard tf are you talking about? Hollow Knight was a game where the story is backloaded into the literal last few hours but Silksong's themes and ideas are omnipresent and establish themselves as early as the literal first area.>>732195946I hate that this is what HK fans said about HK because when they say this about SS, it sounds like a lie. But it's genuinely what I experienced playing it despite having played hundreds of games in my life.
>>732196098Same, and it certainly doesn’t help GMS is just Temu Eigong.
>>732196098What the fuck is hard about the silksong lore?Sure, there are a few remaining questions here and there but the story is pretty straightforward about what happens and the character motivations.Or are you complaining that the benches costing rosaries in the Underwork alongside pre recorded Confessionals and the workers dropping almost no money was too subtle for you?
>>732187342Modern games sell way more than old classics. It's just the nature of things.Banjo-Kazooie is a loved classic but it only sold 1.8 million. Meanwhile the mediocre as fuck Watchdogs game sold like 10 million.
>>732196098SS is significantly less vague than HK was.
>>732196098Explain? Because Hornet is right there to bluntly tell you the majority of the information you need to know
>>732195506Did you think HK was worth it?
>>732188038I had this complaint about Hollow Knight but I feel like Silksong solved it. The best thing about Hornet is how well her platforming tools integrate into the combat. I love Metroid but the boss battles rarely utilize your movement mechanics unless you're doing weird shit like killing Draygon with a shinespark while in Silksong I was making a game out of how long I could stay in the air and never touch the ground.
>>732196574I felt this about HK and I still feel this about SS. I actually like SS more than HK but I want to go back to HK to really confirm those feelings for myself.
>>732187342>So when do we rename the genr-ACK
>>732196098There are no vague blanks in Silksong beyond not including a "Where are they now?" epilogue for every ending.>Sherma started the silk road and sold opium>The fly population never recovered>Without anyone to eat them the roaches killed us allEven in Dark Souls the story wasn't vague, it was just mostly in the background or asked you to pay attention for longer than 2 seconds. The series only got vague as they ended up cutting more and more content.
>>732197130That's not a good question. I think HK is absolute trash and I loved SS.
hollowlike or silklike?
>>732187342Now>Blasfeverge
>>732197849Guacastained
>>732197769>I think HK is absolute trash and I loved SS.I'm genuinely curious, why? In my mind Silksong is just Hollow Knight, but with a few more bells (heh) and whistles.
>>732187342hollowania or vaniahollow?
An explorer-platformer: the explat.
>>732195506Played it 35 hours until the regular ending and never lock back, it wasn’t for me.
>>732197923Nipplesboingya
>>732196098All you need to know is that the nice lady at the top with the beautiful long hair and child-bearing hips did nothing wrong.
>>732195195not at all, if anything it'd be called "soulslike metroidvania". You're bug game tried to stand on the shoulders of giants, slipped, fell off, and was crushed beneath them.
>>732197951If you're genuinely curious, I'll give you genuine answer.The movement in HK feels very floaty, more like flying than actual jumping with physics and weight. You hold the button for however long you want to go up in the air, slowly. Platforming was not fun to me.The level design is nonexistent. I can sit down and make a labyrinth with 20 dead ends and then let people online open their mouths because isn't the exploration amazing? No, it isn't. If you have 20 dead ends and one correct way to progress, that's not exploration, that's just guess the correct path. Sure metroidvanias should have inaccessible sections with ability progression and the like, but HK is excessive, and is in fact very linear, it just hides its linearity behind poor level design. It's probably the most amateurish, worst level design I've seen in a game, and I'm not even memeing. SS offers actual side content worthy of exploring, not just dead ends with return in 5 hours or you expected something here lmao trash.The healing system is just as awful as the movement. If you take a hit, you have to hit mobs to get your healing back. You have to hold down each charge separately. Again, probably the worst healing in a video game. SS fixed all of the issues by making it actually strategic and without the clunkiness.The worst of the genre is proudly presented. You need a compass to see yourself on the map. Choice! You need a thing to have magnetized pickup of the geo. Choice!
>>732198563You're being very reductive, anon.
>>732198702I gave HK 6 hours. I think I'm fair, even if you disagree with the opinion.
>>732198563Did you play Silksong first?
Should I play 1 before 2? I played about 20 mins or 1 but not sure if I should stick with it.
>>732198923No. I played HK years before SS was released.
>>732199010Definitely worth beating 1 first
>>732187579I remember lost crown exists, hear it's good, go to buy it, then stop when I see the hideous hairstyle, and forget it exists on a 3 month loop.
>>732199214Why would you buy a game that requires Ubisoft launcher?
>>732199320To stick it to the chuds
I'm honestly surprised by all the negative steam reviews complaining about difficulty because they seem to be coming from people who've played the first game. In absolute terms it's probably harder than HK, sure, but I don't think it's an unreasonable jump in difficulty. In fact I probably died fewer times playing SS.
>>732199832imo, base HK is A LOT easier than SS, at least up to the point of Soul Master maybe because of the "jumpscare" phase 2
>>732199832My biggest complains about silksong is that lack of rewarding while exploring, more than once I will do a side zone and arrive to an empty field because ops I have not done the trigger to spam what should be there, or just receive beads after a difficult platforming section.
>>732199832In my experience it's because thry try to play it too much like the original HK. When the game first released the threads were full of people complaining about the hunter divekick. Yeah, the same divekick that lets you bounce on a boss to get from one corner of the battlefield to the other.
>>732187487Hollowtrannia
>>732196618Not even close
>>732199975Is that considering the latest version of Hollow Knight?Because I played Hollow Knight again after a long time after its release, and I discovered that several of the game's bosses offered rematches where you could face them again, and I was completely raped by them and even quit the game.I recently started playing Silksong and I've had little difficulty. I'm already in the middle of Act 3 and, apart from a few bosses (like that machine you build using the mechanical heart), most of them didn't give me much trouble, which made me wonder if the game is easier than HK.But I don't know, maybe I've become a better player during thgis time? Who knows...
>>732196098Bait or retard?Silksong is much more direct when it comes to it's lore than Hollow Knight.In fact some "people" even were pissy about it because there was less to puzzle together and theorize over
>>732200139The biggest complaint has been that. In Hollow Knight, when you defeat a boss, you're typically rewarded with Geo at the least. In Silksong, you don't get a single rosary for even the worst bosses. So it feels like you're grinding more than you should have to. This also makes deaths so much more painful because Rosaries are a steady collection with very few windfalls
>>732203665I understand gauntlet enemies not dropping items since you could theoretically farm them forever and become rich in act 1, but the final enemies should drop a number of rosaries and shards so you don't have to mindlessly farm them if you wasted too many in there.
>>732201037Rule of thumb is Hollow Knight's base game content is 10x easier than Silksong's base game, but it's more difficult when considering the DLC boss battles and platforming challenges. Which we can expect the real Path of Torture to be released eventually for Silksong
>>732196618>GMS is just Temu Eigong.In what conceivable fucking way are they even comparable? I assume you are talking character wise, right? Eigong is a reddit atheist who couldn't science the shit out of a problem and in complete desperation rationalized that this actually le fate for their entire race to turn into mutant blobs with 10% rate of survival. GMS might as well be a McGuffin.
>>732187342Nintendo calls it "Search Action" internally.
I've become a Beast Crest believer.The pogo is dogshit for traversal, the heal sucks for exploration.But in a boss fight, both kick ass.
>>732187342Metroid Prime 4 sales figures individually are less than a million between Switch 1&2, lmao it's abysmal.
>>732195506I thought she was pooping lol
>>732204650It's the most fun crest by far but any fight that requires constant pogo can be very annoying with it unless you get really good at the weird angle. Trading with the bosses with your unga style is something unique to it and much better than Wanderer spam.
They should be called "Open World Mario Games".
>>732204650The crest system feels like such a waste of a great idea because of how unevenly distributed it isThere's three crests (Hunter, Wandered and Reaper) which are obtained very early in the game and can be used as jack of all trades to some extentArchitect can be obtained sort of not too late but has a terrible pogo and exists mostly to cheese through a boss fight you don't want to face. Witch is almost good but the heal is beyond terrible. Beast combines both of the two's issues and doesn't work for exploration. Shaman is almost good but suffers from Silk Skills being much weaker than Tools in general and is locked way too late in the game
>>732187342>7 million at 20 bucks vs ~1.5 million at 70 bucksIt's a wash. Midsong and Midroid having a mid-off.
>>732205756The crests will have their time to shine when they start adding DLCs with bosses and other challenges that blow everything in the base game out of the water like they did in HK1.
>>732204376Yes I meant character wise. Sorry for not being clear, and if Temu wasn’t insulting enough.Would Silk Road be more fitting?
playing both HK and Silksong, they seem like alright games, but people pretend they're god's gift to gaming, why is that? was it people's first metroidvania, they really liked it, then they overhyped Silksong to the moon? or am i missing something?
>>732206204I really like metroidvanias and they are some of the best. I played all the 2D Metroids and Castlevanias and even Cave Story and La-Mulana before HK, and I still love them both. Movement is fast and fluid.
>>732204650>get good with beast crest>get 6 whole seconds of Mark of pride+strength+quickslash that stacks with flintslateTurn the damage button on and chain staggers on bosses lol this shit is absolutely incredible
>>732206204HK was the most impactful metroidvania release in over 10 years at its time of release
>>732206204>but people pretend they're god's gift to gaming, why is that?People always exaggerate a little, but it must be acknowledged that Hollow Knight is standing the test of time, while most of the indie games that exploded in the same era have failed to maintain a favorable opinion in people's minds after all these years.I think it's safe to say that Hollow Knight and Silksong are really good games. Not ""good"" games like Super Meat Boy, or The Messenger, or Shovel Knight, all of which lose relevance over time, but good like the big franchises that stand the test of time.
>>732199832It's definitely harder than HK, but that's a good thing. HK was piss easy for like 80% of the game, with only short bursts of high difficulty bosses or challenges. SS is much more balanced overall, it feels smoother to play because of that.
>>732206204They're very big in terms of the amount content, have very pretty art and good music, and have very low prices. Of course people like them.
>>732205897But they are nothing alike? That's what the rest of my post is about.
>>732207923It's what I'm feeling right now playing HK again, it feels like I'm breezing through the game almost thoughtless.
>>732208094>I'm breezing through the game almost thoughtlessIt's called getting into character.
