Can remakes ever maintain the feeling of the original? Do sacrifices always have to be made to properly modernize them?
i will never forgive takeuchi for ruining ciel
>>732187864I would rather acknowledge the anime's existence over this demake.
Is this a real and honest comparison?Don't even know or care about this endlessly self-rebooting franchise anyway, but holy soullessness
>>732188175>Is this a real and honest comparison?Unfortunately, yes. I double checked. Both are from the True Ending
>>732187864She looks like she lost 50 IQ points
I love remakes
>>732187864are you really trying to imply top looks better
riviera on the gba looks a lot better than the original wonderswan version
>>732188885I only said feeling. I think the feeling between the two is different
>>732188454His art degraded so bad jesus, I mean, he was never that good how do you go from knowing how to draw a face to whatever that is at the bottom, something about the eyes are off
>>732187864Holy shit they butchered itThe very definition of SOULLESS
>>732187864Those two can't be the same characters.
>>732188175There's an argument that Tsukihime and TsukiRe were going for different things here, but it seems like a fairly blatant reference, considering they're in essentially the same point in the story. So the comparison should be valid.
>>732187864She likes indian food btw
>>732189157this one is trying really hard to stay faithful
>>732189157name?
>>732189091He's only been doing the line-art for the past 10+ years. Everything else is done by Koyama or Takao
>>732189157both look bad
>>732188454such a beautiful scenewhere did the soul go?
when did type moon die?
>>732190327When it became “the company that makes FGO” instead of Type Moon
>>732190327It died when Fate/Stay Night was released, but that's a topic that /v/ isn't ready for.
>>732188725Why did they get rid of her glasses
Even though this thread is mostly focused on art, I’d be interested in hearing about gameplay changes as well. For instance, pretty much nobody complains about KH1 getting stick camera control in updated versions. But there are a few who dislike how you can’t use the stick to move in the command menu.
>>732190327They haven't released anything since Fate/hollow ataraxia.
>>732187864if you GENUINELY think the OG's are better than these then you're smoking something strong. The remakes are an improvement in literally every way besides nerfing OP mechanics WHICH YOU CAN MOD BACK IN BECAUSE FIRERED IS LIKE THE EASIEST GAME TO ROMHACK EVER
>>732191874>some bitch in a grass field>some bitch in an incomprehensible 4D castle that freezes the air and sends all human souls in a ten kilometer radius into a pocket dimension and if it explodes it starts the third impact
>>732189539 Honestly? They *are* trying, but it’s like forcing a square peg into a round hole. You can tell the artist wants to recapture the old vibe, but everything's too clean, too sterile. That roughness and imperfection is what gave the original so much character. You can't surpass SOUL with polish alone.
>>732191874The only CG that's worse is the top right one
>>732195265I don’t really like the sunset one’s changes
>>732190327It was a gradual process that I honestly think started with Extra. It set a precedent that you can take the basic HGW concept, throw in a Saber-clone and make bank, original concepts and settings be damned. Everything after that was just a slow downhill deterioration that simply followed that premise to its logical conclusion.
>>732188454Get fucked, the old art style looked like deviant art weeb slop. Intakes were hideous. The lazy shading, low detail lineart, and stiff poses sucked. New tsukihime makes the og look like mspaint doodles
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>>732187927>>732188454I NEED a 3P with these two.>>732188885Yeah? The sky looks better and it's less cheesy without the smear or the sparkling tears. The only good thing about the remake version is getting to see Shieru's Shierus in the shot.
>>732190327I can hear this webm in my head.
>>732187864I can't think of a remake that that improves on the original in every single aspect. You always seem to lose something in the process.
>>732189413They are.
>>732190327When Nasu's worst work (Fate) became his most successful
>>732187864I feel like picrel should be used for this comparison
>>732191874Why did they get rid of Ciel's swords in that CG? That's the one time in the entire VN she looks cool and they got rid of it
>>732201970Shouldn't her cross be hanging in the air if she's leaning over Tohno-kun like that rather than being glued to her habit?
>>732202137You're asking that when her hair defies gravity in both that shot and the crying shot?
>>732190327After Carnival Phantasm.
>>732191874i hate nu-animu artstyle so much
>>732201970>>732202137>>732202215I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WORTH FIGHTING FOR OR WHY I HAVE TO SCREAMI DON'T KNOW WHY I INSTIGATE AND SAY WHAT I DON'T MEANI DON'T KNOW HOW I GOT THIS WAY, I KNOW IT'S NOT ALRIGHTSO I'M BREAAAKING THE HAAABITI'M BREAKING THE HAAABITTONIGHT
>>732188454the bottom is significantly better. its just that the top is more unique and sovl in a shitty I'm 19 and draw anime wanna see college kid vibe. if everything for the last 20 years never came out I would never think the bottom two frames are nasu.
>>732201536Dawn of War remaster is the only remake I can think of that stays faithful to the original while fixing and modernising everything
>>732190327When Fate Grand Order became the number one money printing gacha game.There are some good story chapters in there though, but the way it has influenced Nasu's later works is a huge negative
>>732202795The top one feels more sovl because it is conceptually better as a piece of art. Arc's body language is more expressive and the overall colour composition implies more mixed feelings.
>>732202795The top one is better because it gets the mood across better. Technical proficiency is largely irrelevant.
>>732200494>>732202795The old CGs have the excuse of being amateur work sold in a doujin circle.The new ones have that professional luster but they are brought down by Takeuchi's lazy post-2011 art.
>>732190327Sometime after the release of FSN (+HA/0), by the time his 428 chapters and Extra came out, Nasu had already completely lost.
>>732187927thiswhy did they change her hairstyle
>>732202795the fuck you talking about? top and bottom display completely different emotions
>>732187864Does the Tsukihime remake still not have a PC port? What the fuck is up with that?
>>732204819I've heard a couple things. Like how Nasu thinks TsukiRe should be experienced on a big screen. Or that by not releasing it on PC until later, he can minimize piracy, though I think the 2nd one is just a guess.
>>732204819Wait for the complete edition in 2040.
>>732206046My game theory is that Nasu is holding off on a PC release until Red Garden is finished so he can release a definitive version of the VN on PC. So that means the PC port is still a good 35 years away.
>>732187864Could you pick a better example?The Ciel route fucking sucked in the original.
>>732191874Top right isn't even from the same scene, holy fucking shit has ANYONE who read Tsukire actually READ IT?
>>732206242I don't think it has anything to do with the writing.
>>732188454bottom looks like AI slop
>>732206243Aren't both from the scene where Tohno-kun wakes up to Arc looming over her because he overslept and therefore broke his promise to meet her in the city earlier that day, and you go on a date with her afterwards?
>>732206575I call it the>shoes on bedscene, because he keeps mentioning it.
>>732206947>"Fucking gaijins disrespecting our glorious Nippon culture folded over a thousand times"- Tohno-kun, probably
>>732204819Nasu's stated reason is that he thinks it should be experienced on the big screen. Apparently he doesn't believe you can plug a computer into a TV. It's also possible that he or the publisher want the PC port to release alongside Red Garden, which is obviously not out yet.
Removing Ciel's cool steel-toed combat boots was unforgivable
>>732187864No, they're wrong because they perpetuate a binary gender.
>>732188885Are you stupid? These games never had a good art style, but bottom's face is just copy and pasted over and over and over, like the infamous 'YCH'. It's not unique.
>>732206046>on a big screenI'll never understand how there are still people who think HDMI is secret console technology.
>>732208027This era of Type-Moon was so fucking cool.
>>732202256/thread
>>732208027>Actress AgainTakeuchi's peak along with Unlimited Codes.Something happened to him in the early 2010s and his art was never the same.
>>732187864her redesign sickens me on a fundamental level. her legs look like fucking anorexic chicken legs. the miniskirt is god awful too.
>>732187864How can anyone say top doesn't look objectively better? It's not even close
>>732187864What I hate about modern anime that it's so terrified of contrast, everything is overexposed, desaturated and full of bloom. It's kinda the only reason I like a lot of old media, it wasn't afraid of contrast and ironically it looks fantastic on modern screens.
>>732187864In true topsy turvy satanic inverted nightmare world fashion, nioh 2 and 1 remakes are an objective improvement to the games and even raise the fps cap and reduce loading times yet are console exclusive and will never come to the PC versionsThis world has to be a gay simulation. There's no other explanation for how the only good remaster in history is one you'll never be able to play on PC.This shit makes me believe in God because of how comically well crafted this cosmic prank it
>>732204819>Original is a PC eroge>Remake is neither PC nor erogeMake it make sense.
>>732212942Was Hisui the prototype for Saber?
>>732188725>little cleavage>no panty shotAND worst of all>guy is now some handsome NIGGER instead of the faceless normalfaggot.I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN I HATE WOMEN
>>732189157Actually nice. >>732189985 is a huge lala faggot/women
>>732188992NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!NOOOOOOOO!Not Kazoku Keikaku! I was such an underrated gem of a Visual Novel and look what these monsters did to it! Oh God! WHY!
>>732187864Takeuchi's art degrading this badly is so sad. He peaked with Actress Again.
>>732212007>Unlimited CodesTakeuchi actually did very little of the art in Unlimited Codes. The vast majority of it was Ryuuji Higurashi.
>>732212494Because the bottom is more technically polished. I do think sometimes the soul/soulless thing can be too much, but this one feels rather blatant in how much better the top evokes the proper emotion
>>732212942It can't be helped.
>>732194095Honestly I’m not sure what reasons people would have to prefer R/B besides glitches. Which admittedly are fun.
>>732187864What's the point of the diamond-shaped hole on her suit under and between her boobs?
>>732217446made FGO apes point and yell "HOOOOOOLY FUCKING KINO SHES JUST LIKE MASH FR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
>>732187864>Can remakes ever maintain the feeling of the original?in theory yes,but for that to happen the remake must be spear-headed by someone who thoroughly understands the original and it's appeal, agrees with it / appreciates it, has the skill to realize that vision, and the must not be prevented from doing just that by others.And that, unfortunately, is apparently such a monumental set of requirements that it almost never happens.An example of it happening was the lord of the rings movie trilogy.That was an adaptation, not a remake, but it's subject to the same requirements.
>>732213207yesthat's also why hisui's design in the remake looks the closest to the original design out of anyone.takeuchi has been doing nothing but drawing iterations of her for the last 25 years.
>>732219578I don't understand japanese at all but I could listen to her VA all day, her voice is so relaxing. Akiha is a close second. Ciel perhaps the third.
>>732187864Takeuchi has always been a fucking hack
>>732187864Resident Evil 1 remake.I cant think of any more.
>>732214280That explains why it looks good lol.
Remakes can be cool, but they almost always miss something. Still, I have a fondness for remakes, simply because I'm so intrigued by what those in charge decide to change.
>>732190102I haven't read tsukihime in nearly 10 years and i still remember how much Shiki's sentiment here echoed mine ownGoddamn what a great ending
Red Garden in 5
>>732194095My only take on this remake is the forced golbat evolution cancel. It just sticks out so bad.
>>732190327Tbh if the DEEN anime didn't try to adapt UBW AND HF it would've been pretty good.
>>732224719Decades.
>>732191874Nasu admitted to the SOVL being lost because he moved Tsukihime into the 10s to align better with F(ate)GO. OG Tsukihime was set in the 90s and had a vibe that can never be replicated.
>>732223268Kohakubros…
>>732187864i love my autistic blue wife
>>732187864Nothing can ever "maintain the feeling" or anything. A man cannot cross the same river twice. The second snowman you make will not be the same as the first snowman. It does not matter how hard you try.
turkeyhandle is a different case since it's all nasu's fault, but I wonder how we will look back at other demakes in 20 years. for a lot of games right now is probably the last chance for remakes to be made while the original staff is still alive and able to contribute, but a ton of them are forced to censor themselves because of current year politics.
I wish Takeuchi had never progressed from his melty blood art.
Dragon Quest remakes mostly seem good. Though 7 seems more controversial than normal
>>732187864>Can remakes ever maintain the feeling of the original?Yes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvuGmws7ShQ
>>732201621Why did they turn her into Mashu?
>>732235041Ciel’s redesign came like 3 years before her
>>732230335Nasu should have written a eroge at least or at least as a joke route.Let me go full rapist as Shiki.
>>732235368at least once* or as a joke route.
>>732235196Huh, alright. I still like her old hairstyle better.
>>732201536SaGa remasters
>>732235368Do zoomers not know that smartphones weren't always around?
>>732235591It's just a meme you autist.
>>732235645What would Soujuurou's phone look like?
>>732189157You see whether you like the new version vs the old one at least the key artist understood the fucking assignment. You get so many fucking hacks who just default to their typical shtick or jump on current trends when the whole point of a remake is trying to recapture the old appeal
>>732189157I can appreciate both. No bondage CGs in the remake is unforgivable though.
>>732230362This is a good design. The granny skirt amplifies this. Not sarcastic at all. The miniskirt and nu-Takeuchi's Saberface (Hisuiface) spam ruined her so damn bad.
>>732189157should I emulate the left version or read the right version?
>>732189157>>732235760I like the armored guy's revealed bulge in the newer version. *licks*
>>732189157>6th pictureIs that a fucking Arahabaki from the Shin Megoomi Tensay series?I know it's a real clay figurine from ancient Japan.
>>732235978Wasn’t the granny skirt somewhat fashionable back when it released? Which is why it was changed to a miniskirt. But now the long skirt makes her look more ethereal, so the miniskirt just doesn’t look as good.
>>732238075Takeuchi said in an interview that he gave long skirts to most heroines in Tsukihime because he didn't feel confident enough in his abilities to draw legs well back in 1999.
>>732238268and it apparently didn't improve over 20 years later. he should have stuck with the long skirts instead of drawing disgusting stick legs.
>>732238482Yeah, he's definitely no Bernini or Ingres when it comes to his women. Though I suppose some of that is just the anime style being anime, naturalism and super-realism was never the anime style's forte.The only artists that come to mind that draw their women the right sort of fleshy and thick are the guys over at Shaft with Monogatari.
>>732238917i'm not even looking for the thickest thighs in the universe or anything. i just expect something that isn't 2 straight lines with no apparent curvature to be found. i sometimes feel crazy because i've never seen anyone else complain about it aside from me. people rightfully point out the skirt, they point out the hair. nothing about the legs though.
