>saarfield

>people literally expect a good game
>Todd Howard: "Impossible"

What I'm gathering is that Skyrim's lead designer has been running his mouth lately and is completely out of touch with the real world.

Starfield was more boring than No Man's Sky on launch. The only time I remotely even enjoyed myself was when I accidentally stumbled upon the area where the penultimate mission of the game is set. Only to be cockblocked for over an hour looking for a key that didn't exist because I wasn't up to that point in the story.

I deleted the game then and there.

>>732197538
>just because
I was also hyped for it because I genuinely love classic sci-fi and would love to have more large scale RPGs in this genre
Fortunately it's been 100% clear the game's a fucking disaster so I didn't buy it

>>732197793
People don't even expect good games out of Bethesda anymore, they expect the bare minimum.
Saarfield isn't even a game, it's hollow shell. A tech demo with no tech to show off.

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>>732197538
It was a work of love and it showed

>>732197538
for me the best part was when people I just met let me into a board room and put me in charge of thousands of lives on a whim just because, and then it happened again 5 minutes later when I went to talk to the other side.
whoever wrote those quests was a fucking retard.

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If a new studio was created just to produce Starfield and it released in the same state Bethesda released it making the same promises they made beforehand that studio would have been crucified and shuttered

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>>732197943
>whoever wrote those quests was a fucking retard.

>>732197538
Whatever your opinion about Snoozefield, whining about Bethesda for the sake of whining is a thing.

>>732197865
>A tech demo with no tech to show off.
I mean the walking around your ship as it's in space in the same mode as when you're actually piloting is pretty cool. They probably could have done a lot of good stuff if they expanded on that.

i remember for a long time retards keep saying saarfield was gonna win goty and even made edits of that good doctor meme to make saarfield look like that asian dude and zelda totk look like that autistic doctor dude. then the game eventually came out and all the shilling basically died overnight

>>732197943
Are you talking about the colony ship quest? Seeing that from the previews kept me playing a little longer in hopes of finding it but then the seth review had me learn that was super shit.

>>732197538
Can someone PLEASE tell bethesda people don't play their games for their dogshit base building?

>>732198460
The issue is that walking around your ship is pointless, because flying your ship is pointless, because you can't actually fly anywhere, you travel through loading screens.
No Man's Sky lets you do that too, except the autopilot is actually flying you somewhere. You can even get out of your ship and spacewalk.

>>732197538
they're wrong about other studios having a pass but they're right about people having high expectations and it doesn't make any fucking sense because none of their previous games are any good.
If gamers were honest with themselves, Skyrim would've received the same reception that Cyberpunk 2077 got at launch because that is one dogshit game.

Bethesda is THE has-been studio of the industry. They've been irrelevant ever since Witcher 3 dropped 11 years ago

Only braindead goycattle still buy the garbage they put out since Fallout 4

>came out when there were not nearly as many 3D open-world games as today
>had good music
>had pretty visuals
these are literally THE ONLY reasons Skyrim is as popular as it is

>>732198652
Didn't no man's sky add that after Starfield, or am I mixing that up with just a ship customisation update

>>732198581
I do

>>732197538
The Bethesda formula is pretty easy to not fuck up, so people just assumed they wouldn’t fuck it up

bethesda, like american gaming are pretty much in full decadence. i don t even think they understand they are making goyslop

>>732197538
Starfield gave me a bit of hope that levitation would return

>>732197538
Star Wars and Mass Effect being dead meaning that modders don't want to export these world on Starfield also affected (yes I know about the new Star Wars mod for Starfield, but the problem is that today is Nu Wars, no the Star Wars craze from the early 2000s)

>>732198791
it was after starfield yeah

>>732198803
No you don't.
You might "like" it but you didn't purchase the hames for it.
>"Yes i did".
No you didn't you lying fuck.

>>732198519
yeah, the writing was so bad, it even has dialogue options for "why are you letting me decide this?" with dogshit handwavy responses.
I can imagine development going:
>hey this is a little weird, is the premise of this quest kinda farfetched?
>nah just add a line explaining to the player this faction want them to make this decision on their behalf for some reason
>what about the other guys?
>just do it again but different, who cares lmao.

>>732198870
>Starfield arthriticly crawled so no man's sky could walk

Idk how people thought beth is going to make good game after fallout 4

>>732198750
The first person perspective, the fact that you can walk everywhere, interact with plenty of objects, decorate your house and other shit like that, combined with strong atmosphere and good music also makes it very immersive for most people and lots of them love that.
I would be the first to admit that TES games have shittonne of flaws, but something about the way they work makes them one of the most effective titles in making me genuinely feel like I'm entering a fantasy world, which is why I keep returning to them. I know it's the same for many others as well.

Idk how people thought beth is going to make good game after oblivion

>>732198964
There should have been an option to say fuck this and call in the state to figure it out, there's even extra choice in that in which state you call.
Actually the whole game should have been centered around the arrival of the colony ship, or maybe have you be on it to help with natural exposition.

What was the cut off point?

Oblivion, Fallout 3 or Skyrim?

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>>732197538
Bethesda have never made a good game.
Oblivion came out in 2006 and didn't even have diagonal movement animations.
New Vegas was a different studio.
Morrowwind was overrated garbage that shared it's playerbase with fucking Runescape.
Name one Bethesda game that has held up over time.
You can't, they're shit and always have been.

>>732199138
I never played the bethesda fallouts besides a bit of 76
So I was coming into Starfield off the back of oblivion and Skyrim, I thought it would be all the good of Skyrim but walking back some of the loss of complexity that happened between oblivion and Skyrim.

>>732199146
Daggerfall was great. No I'm not a nostalgianigger I played it recently.

why then create anything ever?

>>732198750
>had good music
It had passable music and it's main theme is just the same one they used in Morrowind and Oblivion. It took them 3 fucking games to finally arrive at the good version of it, the composer is mediocre at best.
The most well-known music from the game is just ambient background tracks that have become the theme of retarded NPCs.

>>732198460
They have a really cool physics engine that can handle a bunch of shit in zero gravity but they do fucking nothing with it outside one or two quests. Imagine if you had to navigate your way through a debris field over a decaying station or use it like a puzzle from Portal 2 or even using it to change combat onboard ships or stations or fucking anything. Cannot believe the wasted potential with Starfield THERE ISN'T EVEN A GODDAMN CONFLICT IN THE GAME EVERYONE IS AT PEACE EXCEPT THE PIRATES.

>>732199138
first one I played was oblivion and that one wasn't bad but very sloppily made so it's there or before that

>>732199324
>No I'm not a nostalgianigger
Yes you are.

>>732198992
trvth. Fo4 was extremely disappointing for a freak who liked Fo3 and NV (me).

>>732199386
And the pirates of course are law-abiding pirates who won't use any mecha at all.

>>732199379
the ambient tracks are dreamy and never fail to make me relax. I think Skyrim sucks but the music is nice, maybe not so much the combat music

>>732199421
>Having Nostalgia for a game I played for the first time in 2023
kys retard

>>732197865
>>People don't even expect good games out of Bethesda anymore, they expect the bare minimum
Very astute. People genuinely gave Bethesda a pass for their mediocre janky ass gameplay and terrible writing for a very long time because their worlds looked great, were fun to explore and their soundtracks were heavenly. Starfield has none of these strengths. It's a bunch of boring randomly generated planets with copied and pasted POIs mixed with the most generic takes on standard space settings imaginable like the cyberpunk planet, the Star Trek planet and the Firefly planet. It has a generic soundtrack, forgettable story and sidequests and uninspired art direction. Combined with gameplay that's just fine - the most polished it's ever been for a Bethesda game, but nothing remarkable - and there's nothing to love about Starfield. In quite a few ways it's an improvement over their old games but none of them matter when the game is so fucking generic and uninspired. I don't think it would've succeeded even as an indie game.

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Why didn't these fags just pimp their engine out to other studios?
we could've had bunch of well made small scale rpgs by now

>>732199138
Opinions differ, but I'm pretty sure nobody with any amount of taste treats anything they've done after Skyrim seriously.
Their games have always been janky and somewhat lazy and every subsequent one has removed or dumbed down about as much good stuff as it has added. The question is at what point the balance was still enjoyable for you

Bethesda is in an awkward position because they're a giant developer that still does shit worse than literal who devs like NMS having no loading screens.

>TES1 and 2 was mostly heaps of meaningless proceduraly generated empty fields, nonsensical dungeons and barebones radiant quests
>For 10 years Bethesda switched to actually handcrafted open worlds and quests, for which they were widely praised and gained a large following
>Then for some reason they again started to rely on proceduraly generated crap more and more with every subsequent release, tanking their reputation once again

>>732197538
Horseshit they would of been more eaten alive without the bethesda whales for how boring it fucking was.

>>732199640
they are in this awkward position because people's standards have changed but they haven't. I personally see zero difference between Starfield and Fallout 4. The fact that people still to this day give Fo4 a pass even after the dogshit writing and dogshit dialogue system is baffling.

I would've never played a Bethesda game if it wasn't for them buying Fallout. People who love Fallout have been hijacked and dragged along, there wasn't much of a choice.

>>732199612
Because they got clapped by Obsidan and never got over it

>>732199772
That's a good way of putting it. Bethesda has been in a rut for a while, their new games aren't impressing anyone anymore. People look at open world games like TOTK, which has intricate physics-based systems and three overworld layers with seamless loading (and at a stable 60FPS on Switch 2) or RDR2 with its fantastic graphics and unmatched amount of polish and interiors that don't require loading screens and wondering why Bethesda can't do anything like that. They can't even match No Man's Sky at launch, which for all its flaws lets you seamlessly land on fucking planets that aren't repetitive the moment you land. But they added vehicles in an update, woopeefuckingdoo.

>>732199772
>The fact that people still to this day give Fo4 a pass even after the dogshit writing and dogshit dialogue system is baffling.
this
if you take engine out of the equation FO4 is one of the worst AAA games ever made
If you gave that someone who has no idea about bethesda they'll think it's some Unity game made by few guys in finland

How was warhorse able to make a so much more cohesive and impressive game with a fraction of that budget and talent pool, like the incompetency is baffling

>>732199772
>The fact that people still to this day give Fo4 a pass even after the dogshit writing and dogshit dialogue system is baffling.
People shit on it all the time and rightfuly so, it's just that for every person who does there is a mouthbreathing retard who goes
>who cares about nonsensical fanfic tier writing, shit world design and lack of RPG elements in this RPG game?
>It has prettier graphics, more fun shooting, coomer mods and it allows you to build forts out of junk, that's what matters!
But yeah, for me FO4 was also a clear point of no return for Bethesda

>>732199981
I would've been fine with short loading screen if they felt right like entering a massive new region or building full of unique NPCs
But it seems retarded to have them the way they are

>>732199772
Bethesda attempted something that doesn't work with their style. There were never invisible walls in their games, but now there are.
It's incredible how much that fact is downplayed too, saying how long you have to walk to actually reach an invisible wall. And people have definitely walked that much in other Bethesda games.

>>732199772
Has a radio and a nice world

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>Good developer
>understands their strengths and limitations
>Plays on their strengths and works around the limitations

>beth
>left's just copy whatever is popular, have no design doc and out source literally everything

>>732199772
>they are in this awkward position because people's standards have changed but they haven't.
Yeah, pretty much.
They still delivery Oblivion-level quality on pretty much everything, but time changed, and there's games out there doing this kind of stuff much better.

>>732199138
Fallout 4

If emil was the lead instead of will shen it would've been good

>>732197538
Starfield would have been forgotten about all together if it wasn't made by Bethesda. People continue to shit on it because it was made by a popular game developer.

>>732200413
Emil would have made it about you finding your mother and it turning out she was the starborn all along

>>732197538
insane cope by that Bethesda Dev. The game is so much worse than No Mans Sky which is also trash but made by 12 people

Starfield just exposed that Bethesda add nothing of substance unless the IP was already established by people which much more talent. Personally cant wait to see them die in my lifetime and will spit on their grave for setting back the genre and popularising the most common forms of monetisation in gaming

The thing about Starfield that knocked it down a peg was BG3 was still fresh and recent same with the resurgence of Cyberpunk 2077 now your opinion on those two games dont matter but what does matter is the global audience's opinion people see those games as amazing there are multiple comparisons between Cyberpunk and Starfield for example

The thing is Bethesda cant get away with just being "oh its bethesda oh its buggy oh its bethesda classic bethesda!" because of those two games they actually NEEDED to put in effort for once (which they didn't) if there was two amazing massive huge rpgs released closer to Skyrim's Skyrim would've gotten a lot more scrutiny especially over the guild shit and city sizes

TLDR: Bethesda cant get away with being Bethesda anymore because people have gotten a taste on what rpgs are supposed to be

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No Man's Sky was made by a new dev and they got shit on relentlessly until they added all thr features they promised.

>>732199138
Oblivion was the beginning of the end. Fallout 3 was complete irredeemable dogshit, and I still see retards defend it as if it has any redeeming qualities

>>732200502
>already had a game about you finding your father
>had a game about you finding your son
Starfield would be a game about you finding yourself

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>>732197538
I wasn't hyped. Probably because it was made by Bethesda.

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I can't wait for the next update to be a massive nothing burger. The seething will be legendary

>>732200665
>>732200580
I think all their PS3 games had excuse of being the only game of their kind in terms of freedom, hardware limitations and shorter release windows
but now they don't have any excuse

>>732199146
Arena redguard and morrowing were all good tho.

>>732200724
They're still updating it? I thought it got one dlc and that was that

>>732197538
There are actually a lot of decent parts of starfield but its all hidden under procedurally generated slop and too many menus and loading screens. It plays better if you never ever try to explore and just mindlessly jump between quests like its not a game made from a studio renowned for their open worlds that are fun to explore.

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>>732197538
>Bethesda
>anyone having any expectations from them
They're really looking very hard for any excuses to not blame themselves.

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>>732197538
If they had made a new Elder Scrolls or Fallout game in the last decade no one would have given a shit about how boring Slopfield was.

Of course there was hype. I was hyped too. Then came the previews and people said it's meh or has some ridiculous things in it. I didn't want to believe. Bought it on day one, took a day off from work, got some beers and snacks. The I played it for like two hours.
I eventually finished the main quest once and I don't think I'm gonna install it again in a long time. Game is as mediocre and forgettable as can be. What a shame

>>732199772
>I personally see zero difference between Starfield and Fallout 4
I do. Fallout 4 is fun to explore. It has an interesting, well crafted map. Starfield is procedurally generated slop with copypasted POIs sprinkled in.

Even the gun mechanics suck in Starfield. In Fallout 4 you can loot a weapon, take off its mods and attachments and put them on your gun. In starfield not only can you not do that, but weapons are leveled so what the fuck is the point of modding your level 5 gun when you're gonna throw it away as soon as you find a higher level one in 20 minutes?

It is interesting that they cant make anything original, elder scrolls relies on the lore created by Kirkbride, fallout relies on the lore created by Interplay. They are basically fucked now, their current writers are talentless hacks who will never be able to add anything meaningful to the lore.

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>>732201169
He did accidentally write something meaningful.

>>732201280
Insane how uncreative the hack frauds at bethesda are. They haven't come up with anything original for Fallout. It's just endless rehashes. Oh wait they made Blade runner synths which serve zero purpose.

>>732197794
>looking for a key that didn't exist because I wasn't up to that point in the story.
this is such garbage, old crpgs used to be praised for allowing you to do that

>>732197794
Love how lock locations you can't reach without console commands defeating the purpose of having a key in the first place

>>732202537
Funny thing is Emil said "no one will give a shit about your story, and will rip it apart" but still put in things that block you from progressing. inconsistent retardation

>>732201280
so funny how Emil just spouted this shit with zero thinking at all.
>heh, game trivia, that soldier is actually Nate, the cool OC that I made!
>uhh, well, sure, he took part in murdering a Canadian but... well whatever guys let's just stop talking about this.

>>732197538
If it wasn't made by Bethesda people who refer to it as "that jank space game".

Total bullshit. Starfield fails because because it is set in a boring universe so one gives a fuck about

>>732197538
saarfield seemed like a dogshit game even before layering woke characters and writing on top of everything else. truly a game only for the least discerning leftoids

>>732202882
Starfield failed because it turns out the thing that made Bethesda games good was being part of the TES/Fallout franchise. The Bethesda formula itself is incredibly boring and shallow.

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>>732202882
Bethesda sucks dick but true

>>732202950
Not if its set in a world thats fun to explore with interesting characters. Thats what Starfield lacks

>>732200736
Almost surreal to think Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Skyrim all came out in the same generation. We still haven't gotten a new fucking TES or Fallout game in more than a decade.

>>732202857
he instantly relented when people pointed out it made nate a war criminal.

>>732199386
>EVERYONE IS AT PEACE EXCEPT THE PIRATES
It's like they saw the criticism they got over the Skyrim civil war and instead of thinking
>More depth to the implementation
They got
>No active conflicts
The setting doesn't even fucking feel like there was a recent war, where are the wounded veterans, they could have even snuck in some lame political commentary about American support for veterans at least it would have been something of the slightest of subtance.
Apparently there is an orphanage in the DLC but I don't know if even that has it be full of war orphans

Even before the woke garbage came out I was sceptical cause they were making it fallout 4ish. Dead company as far as I'm concerned.

>would be talked like the second coming
No? We already had No Man Sky and the devs had to repent for YEARS with free updates before it became a fun game.

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Bethesda died in the minds of the consumers when the turd Fallout 4 was released. Even the last holdouts abandoned Bethesda after the mess that is Fallout 76. Starfield just served to confirm what everyone already knows about Bethesda, and that is that they don't know how to make a good game. They only know one formula -- The appeal to the lowest skilled and lowest IQ ultra-casual player.

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>>732197538
>you expect too much from a $70 game
It would be sitting at the same mixed 5/10 rating it's sitting at now, just that it would have <1k reviews on Steam instead of 100k and people would have forgotten it (even more than Starfield) by now.

>>732200812
They do the biyearly creations club updates to fuck with the few people who actually play the game (with mods) but yeah, it's been abandoned since the DLC released.
They did say they're making a 2nd DLC in some interview but it was so long ago that they might have just stealth cancelled it without telling anyone.

>>732198972
>Starfield shit its diaper so No Man's Sky could be potty trained

>Fallout 4
>Fallout 76
>Fallout Shelter
>Blades
>Castles
>Starfield
Bethesda's output over the past decade has been genuinely embarrassing.

It's bad, it's getting mogged by older games and a game made with shoe string kicker start money

>>732203620
>>732203539
I mean you don't need 150IQ to see how much potential is there with Bethesda engine
Almost any other studio could've done a much better job with exact same and even less resources

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>>732203887

>>732199138
morrowind

>>732200580
Skyrim, Shart Effect and Dragon Age (the actual harbinger of doom) were the reasons the entire genre stagnated for a decade. People at the time just had an actual godawful taste at games. The entire genre had to be rebooted through kickstarters.

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>>732197538
>comparing vidya slop with the second coming of THE LORD!!!
Get that fucking kike out of here

If this fucking came out on PS5 then you faggots would be all over it and praising it as the second coming of Christ. You fags don't actually like playing real games.

>>732204223
Coming a bit too strong with that bait, bud.

>>732204223
Yotei sharted and flopped and still you could see naked female ass on it.
Starfield with 200% more dei content would collapse even harder.

>>732197538
>expectations are too high
Todd at every convention: "This is gonna be the biggest game EVER dude, you don't even know we have infinite quests and lifelike AI and yadda yadda yadda"
You'd think they'd temper expectations instead of saying "thousands of planets" but no, they have to have it both ways. Fuck this dogshit studio and every project they've shat out

>>732199379
Streets of whiterun is a Wingsofredemption track at this point.

>>732204223
PS5 has no games.

>>732201280
It is actually a fun idea to make Nate a war criminal. Too bad that probably isn't what Emil intended. I always thought it was psychopathic how fast the Sole Survivor gets over the death of their spouse.

>>732199107
There is no "The state" in space, the planet that colony ship was orbiting was independent

>>732205190
>I always thought it was psychopathic how fast the Sole Survivor gets over the death of their spouse.
He had a short nap and he felt better afterward. :)

>>732204153
Oblivion was the start, it was the RPG for consoles, it got console kiddies of the era to try it and it was designed around them. Origins was too dense for those people but dragon age 2 was just right and the last few years have been a return to form of people making good RPG's and bad RPG's like Starfield and Veilguard failing

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>>732197538
No.
>>732202882
>>732202950
Bethesada was bought by microsoft, and they fired all the remotely competent people, and replaced them with 5th rate Indian mobile game developers. They don't really go world building.

>>732203618
It's funny that 76 is more of an RPG than 4 at this point. It's just got the flaws of an MMORPG and that radiation change coming in the next major patch is going to be god awful because they want to nerf power armor builds and push more people to play as ghouls

>>732205367
Fo4 has abysmal worldbuilding too. It's nothing new.

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>play a bethesda game todd promises to be good
>expect a bethesda game todd promises to be good
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>732205367
Don't blame MS
Out of all studios Bethesda probably had the most amount of leverage
They took their sweet ass time and budget to make SF

>>732197538
Didn't Bethesda and Todd themselves hyped Starfield as the next coming of Christ?

>>732205454
It's never the company's fault, it's always the customer's, silly.

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What went so wrong?

>>732197794
Bruce has been smelling his own farts for a time now.

Don’t get me wrong, Skyrim is a major success and I guess anyone in his position would be entitled to think he knows a thing or two about making games.

But I think he has a big misconception of what made that game so successful.

The gameplay is boring, and I can’t bring myself to play vanilla anymore. Even with mods the idea of beginning a play through is far more exciting than the gameplay itself after some hours.

I think what made Skyrim so successful was being a genre that really didn’t have any competition (free world RPG) at the time and was a novelty, can anyone name a competition? At the time people unironically thought it was dragons age

>>732204178
Actually there's another thing to bitch about in Starfield, the shit tier implementation of religion, somehow in just 300 years every earth religion is gone and replaced with gods like out there somewhere, god isn't real morty as an organized religion and God is a giant snake, and they're all themselves poorly implemented
And then in the colony ship part Jewish privilege once again rears it's ugly head as the only real world religion allowed to be mentioned.

>>732198345
I think it's a bit shortsighted to lay it ALL on Emil. Sure, he bears the brunt of the blame, but he didn't make every poor decision in that project.

>>732204579
They seem to be maybe learning their lesson, the only thing they've said about ES6 so far is that it will have more trees than ES5

>>732199379
The most well known music from the game is the trailer theme followed by ragnar the red followed by the other bard songs

>>732197538
This is objectively not true.
Saarfield was bad and I didn't even go in expecting a bethesda game.

>>732200665
I thought it was a good translation from isometric to the first/third person view and the world atmosphere was really well made (even if there’s a discussion here to be made of fallout should be a total devastes world or a world rebuilding from scrambles)

But the rest? Really terrible, they don’t know what the R in RPG stands for and the shooting was awful

I like the aesthetic, guns, skill tree, and persuasion system of Starfield. The NPCs/characters are about as whatever as any other game Bethesda has made. The real issue that makes Starfield so shit for me is the exploration. Their idea of exploration is to accept a quest, and then sit through like six loading screens to teleport to exactly where you need to go. The locations you travel to tend to only have that one singular location meant for the quest with nothing else to look at. The game lacks any real travel.

Starfield would have been so much better if they just condensed all the content down into like 5 planets total. Multiple maps to travel to and explore in depth on foot with lots of points of interest and side quest.

>>732199138
Morrowind sold good on console so all their games afterwards had to run good on console. So i guess there

>>732197538
Was Starfield really a flop though?
>85 (9) Metacritic rating on PC
>300K+ peak concurent players on Steam
>Top 11/11 games in terms of mod/download count on Nexus
>Has/had a /vg/ thread and seems like it has a big presence on YouTube/Reddit and /v/
I feel like despite people shitting on it online, it's still played by a lot of people and especially enjoyed by it's target audience of retired US marines who wear baseball caps, have a moustache, sunglasses, and love BBQ, the missus and the two kids.

>>732206150
I could've seen that working, they could've easily done a 3D world map consisting of holographic planets in your space ship or something. If the thousand planets are all fucking boring why even have that many? If there's no seamless travel why even have space ship segments?

>>732197538
Is there a link to this interview anywhere?

>>732205190
Tying a dramatic main quest involving a dead wife and a kidnapped son to a game like fallout where you just wanna go around doing random shit with no sense of urgency is completely retarded.

>>732197538
No one wanted this game seriously.
Everyone wanted The Elder Scrolls 6.

>>732197538
After Starfield you have to be retarded to expect Elder scrolls 6 to be good. It's just going to be another terrible open world game getting unfucked by mods again.

>>732207687
skyrim couldnt be unfucked by mods, it feels like a game that could be fantastic with the right mods but so far i havent seen one that really unlocks its potential. at best it got unfucked polish wise

>>732197538
it's kinda funny they're unintentionally admitting skyrim was a fluke and they're actually incompetent and shouldn't be expected to make good things

>>732197538

> expectations so high

you know they can never improve themselves so long as they live in a complete delusion - this is the opposite of meritocracy. I had ZERO expectations for starfield cause i'm not a blind nigger and saw how bad the fallout games were. Skyrim was the last decent game they made and they carpet bombed it on every platform with like 10 different "releases" and "remakes" and "remaster" and sucked every penny they possibly could out of it. Todd is a faggot jew and behaves like a faggot jew. No one except retards had high expectations for starfield and within 45 minutes of playing it i had hit like 30 different loading screens and knew it was shit right off the bat. Fucking retarded sell out kike ass journalists

>>732199772
I have softened up on Fallout 4 over the years but when I think about it I modded out a lot of the bullshit

>>732207214
>is a completely new IP from one of the largest AAA studios being a day 1 laughing stock and disappearing from discussion shortly afterwards, really a flop?

>>732197943

millennials adn zoomers refuse to read books of any kind - especially history books - history books are the best source content for original story ideas but they are the hardest to read - it shows - all they do is recycle tv show content and build their stories off that vapid shit - also the SSRI/Benzos are having a strong effect too, I think, since half their emotional spectrum is turned off so they can't sense authentic enjoyment factor anymore

>>732197986
>would have been crucified and shuttered

and now you understand why the "it's being brigaded by WACISTS!!" meme exists. They do this every time they want to scare off all the mainstream journos from being critical so they can do a fake launch. You just saw it recently with highguard - this is textbook 101 for corpos launching a shitty game now

>>732198972

no, all these features have existed in games for quite a while - if anyone mapped it out it was that money fraud ponzi scheme we call Star Citizen

>>732201280
they should make a document that is all of what Emil considers to be his "worst" ideas and see if its better than what he actually submits

>>732197794
lol which mission is that, I'm morbidly curious now.

>>732200015
>How was warhorse able to make a so much more cohesive and impressive game with a fraction of that budget and talent pool

do you guys understand it's La Fem culture that breeds this kind of incompetence. I am older genx and it's so fucking insanely obvious the source is leftist/dei/pussy culture whatever you want to call it. It enables insane levels of miscommunication, incompetence, and gas lighting of anyone critical until they want to kill themselves or just quit to find another job. It's everywhere destroying everything but I think all you booksmart people can't comprehend it could be this simple but it really is this simple

>>732197538
>Star Citizen killer
Kek

>>732205925

skyrim and new vegas both had decent stories - the current fem leftist SSRI'd to hell writers simply cannot write a good story - it's impossible for them - they have to push their cult ideology in everything and will 100% ruin it. They Just. Can't. Do. It.

>>732199138
Skyrim. I think if people can't have fun playing Skyrim simply because it's not as good as Morrowind there's something wrong. Fallout 4 is very mediocre and inferior to 3 and NV in a lot of ways. While Skyrim is a lot better with mods, Fallout 4 only has replay value with them.
Shartfield is abysmal dogshit in pretty much every single way. It has literally no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Story, music, gameplay, "RPG" elements, base building, loot, dungeons, environments, worldbuilding, visual design and aesthetic theme are all total garbage.

>>732197538
Wait a minute...
IVE SEEN THIS EPISODE BEFORE!
Weve seen what happens when some faggot higher up decides that actually, he knows what the customer wants.

This is bad
Abandon ship

>>732210335
Most of the writers are white men, also Skyrim's story is absolute dogshit and there's virtually no difference in writing quality or sterility between Skyrim and Starfield, you realistically just prefer the ES and nordic-fantasy inspired setting more than NASApunk space setting. New Vegas is also hyper woke, you have a gay scientist companion, a lesbian companion, you can't romance a single companion yourself but you can help your companions date other people, and it's in a setting full of diversity and latinx and black people, and legion/fascists are obviously portrayed as evil and least developed. Every single critique of Outer Worlds for example applies to FNV, except for the gameplay elements, choice and consequence, and FNV just having more fun characters/dialogue, but it's just as woke, especially when you consider it came out over a decade ago.

tldr, no it's not the woke leftist women ruining vidya, all the vidya you love were woke, you were just less jaded and hateful back then. hope that helps.

>>732210741
>brown hands

>>732210914
We both know that when it comes to progressive vs conservative, the whiter person is traditionally bound to be one and it's not the side you are on.

>>732209330
Absolutely spot on. They’ve weaponized outrage as a smokescreen to shield bad releases. Feign terminal victimhood, cry about “brigading,” and suddenly all substantive criticism gets waved off as bigotry. It's a neat trick - shuts down meaningful conversation and lets garbage games slide through launch unscathed. The Highguard example is just the latest in a long line of PR playbooks masquerading as moral crusading.

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>>732201280
and immediately backpedaled when xitter bots started reeing at him. Too bad because babies first edge would have given the bland F4 at least some flavor

>>732201134
Fo4's map is hideous to me. Rainbow buildings and ugly dead trees.

>>732199772
If you dissect even fallout 3, you immediately see how its a big pile of green tinted turd, which people absolutely hated when it came out, but now its treated as if its some kind of forgotten gem. It was never good, neither was fallout 4. Both were a nightmare to even launch the fucking game. The most downloaded mod for f3 was the one which skipped through the entire beginning of the game, and everyone wanted to get rid of the settlement shit in f4 as it was that unbearable. Now you have a faggot who makes a 3h long video out of it claiming that at any point it was actually good.
Same for GTA4. From time to time faggots pop out of the woodwork claiming as it was some kind of masterpiece. Good lord what a God awful experience that was next to san andreas and vice city.

>>732212053
It was better than Tactics and BoS.

>>732212214
And you know VB was outdated in 2004.

>>732212053
yeah Fo3 was shite as well but before Fo4 i actually had hopes. I figured New Vegas would give them the inspiration to make Fo4 good, but Fo4 couldn't even have a counted reload for the lever-action. What in the fuck man.

>>732212053
F3 and Oblivion were huge successes, beloved by many. But it was a different era. The xbox360 generation was filled with people completely new to gaming. And even with people who had consoles before, this was the first time they got a taste of PC gaming.

>>732199772
>FO 3 made them cocky
>Oblivion made them greedy
>Skyrim made them lazy
>FO4 was the culmination of everything bad that came before
there's no salvation for that company

Where's the V2.0 overhaul at. It's the only reason I can think of as to why there hasn't been a PS5 port after all of this time, since it'd be a waste to do it in the game's current state.

So let me get this straight, in the space of one week, Bruce Nesmith manages to go on record as saying
>You think you want to play Morrowind, but you don't
>People only hated Starfield because it's a Bethesda game, not because it's a space exploration RPG with nothing to explore except barren, procedurally generated "planets" that are actually just a patchwork quilt of exterior cells
Who okayed this interview? This reminds me of the J. Allen Brack thing for Blizzard, just catastrophically out of touch.

>>732200592
>new dev
how easily you forget Henry Danger

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>never bought No Mans Sky
>never bought Starfield
sometimes you just know when a massive hype game is going to be a complete piece of shit