How do you save Obsidian, /v/?
>>732206907I was shocked when I saw that Avowed and The Outer Worlds 2 were releasing the same year.>Result of things going wrongShocker
god fucking riddanceS
>>732207000SPBP
>>732206907>skyrim meets destinyHonestly not a terrible pitch.
>>732206907I got so many "avowed didn't flop" responses when I first said it did.>"THEY'RE MAKING A SEQUEL IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A SUCCESS!!!!"no microsoft is just retarded
I have yet to see any discussion at all about Outer Worlds 2, it had that price drama for a bit and then completely disappeared off the face of the earth.
>>732206907good god what have they done to Willow?
>>732206907scutter them and free the employees to go elsewhere. avowed's art director should be blacklisted from the industry and the chuds will make sure he never lives his racist remarks down.
reminder the second level in avowed is fully brown and girlbossouter wilds 2 takes it up a notch>failed to meet sails expectationslmao
>>732207130They took it off Disney+
>>732206907kill yourself shill
>>732206907>enacted a 30% profit target for many xbox studios>which has led to them putting games on playstationso they were not even making a 30% profit?
>>732206907Can Obsidian just go bankrupt already?
>>732206907>Since it was acquired in 2018, Obsidian has been prolific, releasing a half-dozen titles, including last year’s trio: the trippy fantasy role-playing game Avowed, the survival game Grounded 2 and the dystopian sci-fi RPG The Outer Worlds 2. (Some other studios within Microsoft haven’t released a single game in that period.) While Grounded 2 was a big hit, the disappointing results from the other two have led Obsidian to “think a lot about how much we put into the games, how much we spend on them, how long they take,” Urquhart says. Both Avowed and The Outer Worlds 2 were in development for more than six years, inflating their production costs and the company’s financial expectations. One of Urquhart’s missions is to cut down development timelines to three or four years per title.https://archive.is/UTLt9
>>732206907Not a question of how but of why the hell would you
>>732206907They're fucked. MS bought them to make Bethesda-likes and now that they own Bethesda outright, Obsidian is getting canned. Like you bought a Porsche Boxster when that was the best you could afford but now you just bought a 911 or Taycan and well, you don't really need two cars car analogy
>>732206907>How do you save Obsidian, /v/?You don't. Just shut it down and fire everyone.
>>732206907>no waifusPurely self inflicted damaged, reject sawyer-cuk writers, receive sales
>Game studio: dies>/v/ who hasn't bought a single game from them ever: doesn't make sense, forced af
>>732207278You can't shut them down, they have a 100 year plan of intentionally making mediocre games that nobody cares about
>>732206907Such cope. The reason it flopped isnt because you released two games in the same year, it flopped because you released 2 bad games in the same year
I can pirate outer worlds 1 on the switch. Is it worth playing for free? Is it shit? Is the switch version unplayable?
>avowed reveal trailer looked very interesting>underground dungeon with sword and magic>skyrim 2 confirmed, we're so fucking back>game finally releases >it's lame and gay>outer worlds 1 was okay, nothing special>all female characters looked like dykes>no one asked for a sequel>sequel has mystery meat companionswho would of thunk it would bomb
>In development for 6+ yearsThat's fucking insane.But yea, total western game dev death.
>>732207479Just pretend you already played it, with how forgettable it is, it's the same
>>732206907Maybe make interesting companions? Don't make a trailer that looks awesome and then do a 180?
>>732206907Obsidian's games don't need to sell well, they exist to promote Game Pass
>>732207412To an extent, gaming is a zero-sum industry.The more games that I don't like that flop, the more money is put towards games I do like. If companies and projects that don't appeal to be become seen as unprofitable, then that means more money is going to be put towards things that do appeal to me.
>was right about Feargus being an inept boss and is still right to this dayApologize.
280 fucking employees? Why are people still pretending they're a little indie dev then?
>>732207412>Game devs, we want X>How about Y?>I don't want Y, make X>Lets go with Y shall we?>"WTF why are anons happy that a company that is spiteful towards them is going under!?"
>>732206907They spent whatever goodwill they had left on Outer Worlds 1. No one cares about the Outer Worlds or POE settings.There is nothing left of the Obsidian that once existed, even from a purely mercenary perspective the value has been completely extracted at this point, just let it die for fuck's sake.
>>732207754I don't think everything has to appeal to me considering how many games get released these days, but holy shit you should be making your game for the actual people who play videogames and not the people you wish were playing videogames because otherwise you're just wasting everyone's timeSomeone on the dev team should have been allowed to say TOW2's companions were hot garbage but I guarantee you if any of them could have seen past their own nose to realize it, they were terrified of saying it
>>732207787The company exists since 2003, even if they're shut down you can't call them a failure
I'll buy the game when it's €5, got other stuff to play in the meantime
>>732207109Avowed literally nailed the hardest part of the game and somehow fucked up the easiest shit. If Avowed 2 has better writing, companion, some romance, and they make the individual explorable areas larger, it will be a great game.Avowed was ALMOST great. Combat and exploration are fun but the writing is so bad and bland and it feels like there is 0 world interactivity. They can keep the combat/exploration and just actually get some good writers on staff and it can be a really good series.
>>732207412Obsidian used to be good but now they just make shitty gamesI want nu-Obsidian to die so they stop desecrating the name of the actual Obsidian
>>732208030This.Pretty much every game dev that's more than 10-15 years old has basically been entirely ship of theseus'd.The people who made the actually good games have long since gone, the only ones left are the retards and their underlings.
>>732207115Outer Worlds 2 is actually way better than OW1 and pretty much what OW1 should have been.OW1 was bad to me because aside from the small levels, there was a severe lack of choice. Even build choice did not matter as if you put 2 points into everything (which was cheap and easy) then you had enough base stats that drugs + gear would let you pass even master level checks. You could do anything in the game.OW2 actually gets rid of that. You can specialize in a few things. There are more dialogue options using skills and skill checks are more frequent. More quests have choices. Explorable worlds are larger. Combat is better. Companions still suck though. Obsidian hasn't made fun companions since New Vegas (and even then only like 3 of them are any good: Boone, Raul, and Arcade).
Any must-have mods for my first ever playthrough of FO:NV or is it fine vanilla?
>>732208030>so they stop desecrating the name of the actual Obsidiansuch a fucking nerdy thing to say Jesus Christ. Also, if they die tomorrow, won't the "actual Obsidian" still be "desecrated" since they released a bunch of shitty game under that name? the fuck is this logic
PoE is kino, so more of that yeah
>>732208189>such a fucking nerdy thing to say Jesus ChristYou're on the 4chan video game board, we're all nerds.
>>732208189A company releasing 10 shitty games and dying desecrates the name less than a company releasing 12 shitty games and dying, yes.Notice he said "stop."
>>732208189It is what you reap when you sowing trooner 'fans'
>>732206907I'd throw gasoline at them.
>>732206907why do they even still exist they haven't done a single good game since 2010
>>732208030This is the way.
>>732207479I pirated it and felt like I was ripped off.Wasted like 30 hours of my life trudging through the most mediocre videogame I've ever come across, I spent the entire time wondering if it was about to get good or if some tiny hint of Obsidian quality was going to show up, but it never did. You'd be better off playing a game that is genuinely bad, at least that can be interesting in some way, even negative experiences are better than unending tedium.
Literally every Obsidian flop could have been saved by physically attractive character designs
>>732208252still cringed>>732208281ehh idk about that, people usually remember the failures
>>732207481Team LGBT
>>732207196Almost no one makes 30% profit. It is a hilarious target.
>>732206907No need. This type of propaganda company survives regardless of financial results. And even if it eventually "dies," all its employees simply move to other companies to continue promoting the agenda. They are fine.
>want to make more in the Pillars universeJosh, you fucking retard, get it through your thick skull. No one likes these games. They ALWAYS flop. Stop. Drop your shitty pet fantasy universe before you kill your damn company over it. You aren't WotC or Paizo and never will be.
>>732208379The egoistical western video game devs would rather lose their livelihood
>>732208619Are there even any successful cRPGs with their own settings besides DOS2?
>>732208619this, what a fucking joke of a franchise god damn
>>732207412I bought new vegas
>>732208379>physically attractive character designsand make racist gamers happy?not on your life buddy
>>732208597>when your spiders attack hiss is literally "TIMMEH!"Very subtle, dangerhairs
>>732208706Dragon Age
I'll never know if those games are good because I don't play games without cute girls. Like if player's AI ship uses this avatar I'm not even pirating your game.
>>732208745Todd got your money, not them.
>>732208775True, not anymore though
>>732206907Funny how Groudned was the major success despite actually just being a pet project from a few of the devs at Obsidian. Meanwhile their major studio focuses ended up flopping. The Outer Worlds getting a sequel didn't even make sense lol.
>>732206907>Bethesda at HomeWhy would I want to save them?
>>732208809Yes that's how publishing worksThey also don't get your money if you buy OW2
>>732206907>How do you save Obsidian, /v/?They clearly know how to make games, they just need to stop their SJW garbage. Replace all the retarded millennial writers who keep trying to be "woke". Simple as.
>>732207161>outer wilds 2I feel sorry for the people who bought outer wilds thinking it's the heavily praised Outer Wilds>>732207481aren't those 2 Concord characters in the picture
>>732208474It's all Satiya's plan to pivot everything into cloud services and AI. Everything else that doesn't make an insane profit (you know, besides the money pit that is AI) isn't worth keeping around.
>>732208776I still find it hilarious how they did this, they're so averse to beauty that they even made the ship computer AI waifu character look like an ugly millennial dyke.
>>732208775I love DAO but it's just a bog standard DnD setting. It's a masterpiece and they nailed it perfectly but the setting is really no different than dozens of other games.
>>732207412I pirated Outer Worlds. They owe me those hours of my life back.
>>732206907I could only really get through the opening 4/5 hours of Outer Worlds 1. It's Bethesda like except done on 1/5th of the budget or something. There is just nothing cool in it and the maps feel so constrained.
>>732206907I hope it's true, and they at least need to scale down back to one project, I've never played games with so little soul before, no NPC is remarkable (Why does a woman have pink hair in a medieval setting? At least explain your oddities). Maybe if they focus just on one game they can make a good game instead of this sea of mid, game pass slop they are on currently.
>>732208939They had to make her match the artstyle of every other woman in the entire game which is why even though it's a drawing it looks like a semi-bloated a-gendered thing with a douchebag male haircut
>>732207412>STOP LAUGHING AT US nah
>>732208250PoE sucked too. It got deep-dicked by Divinity OS for a reason. Literally some of the most boring writing of any fantasy RPG i've ever played. and the shitty soundtrack, especially for 2, didn't really help
>>732207000Trips of TRUTH
>>732206907I'm glad Avowed didn't go the way of Anthem and we got to see the Living Lands from Pillars. Exploration, graphics, movement and combat was 10/10, everything else was aggressively okay. Will give it props for the evil route, if you say "yes" to join the evil boss at the end she beheads you during your knighting if you haven't been evil enough. Want to play it again when the patch drops as a cute aumaua.
>>732207000S
>>732207412Bait, but I'll take it. Obsidian used to be /v/core, NV was on pretty much every 3x3 or whatever gay top # video game charts a few years ago.
>>732208895do they though? they knew how to write once i'll give them that but all their best games were borderline unplayable despite being sequels already built on another studios coding
>>732206907>[SAD NEWS]
>>732208189>such a fucking nerdy thing to saywhere do you you are?
>owlcat and larian games are "woke" and "sjw">sell like hotcakes>obsidian games are "woke" and "sjw">flopI think the problem is that people just don't like Obsidian
>>732207000yeahS
>>732208776jesus christ how horrifying
>>732209403Most modern western game fans are not nerds, they're just normalfags passing through on their way to the next social media fad.
>>732209408Owlcat and Larian games are moderately woke but they still have attractive women to pander to incels. Obsidian got way too woke and removed all the sexy ladies, and this is the result.
>>732209408Which ones have waifus again?
>>732207481somehow, in outer worlds 2, they made the companions even worse, i'm not joking
>>732209408Obsidian games are ugly, aesthetic wise.Not pleasant to look at, beyond common complaints of ugly gals.
Doesn't Outer Worlds 2 have romance? I thought Sawyer hated that shit?
>>732209584He's busy making Pillars Tactics. I hope.
>>732209642no romance, they even bragged about it
>>732209642Sawyer have not directed a game since Pentiment, he had no hand in Avowed or Outer Worlds 1 and 2.
>>732209691Huh guess I confused it with some other woke flop. Thanks for clearing it up
>>732206907>MS buys obsidian so they can have their own ver elder scrolls>they end up buying bethesda anyways>Obsidian now under MS thumb has to include their shitty woke DEI polices>Games failGet what ya fucking deserve selling your souls to MS.
>>732206907>OUTER WORLDS 2To be honest I didn't even know there was an Outer Worlds 2 I have never even seen anybody talk about it, not even shitposting or complaining on /v/. I did not enjoy the first one so I can't say I'm very surprised.
L O LOL
>>732206907>How do you save Obsidian, /v/?Make games for white people.
>>732209776but he is a crusty white dude
>>732209781almost all the leftist woke devs are white tho
>>732209776well, he's doing that i guess
>>732206907first I fire everyone with>dyed hair>facial piercings, especially nose ringsand every writer no matter what.then I hire a new lead programmer, while also giving a raise to the existing programmers so they don't feel punished. the next game needs to be optimized, no more stutter slop. they can immediately start working on the technical foundation for a proper open world RPG that's basically "what if a TES came out with fewer bugs and all the essential quality of life mods already installed". that's the value proposition. that's the target. we are willing to sacrifice dungeon count, quest count and other quantity metrics. we are not willing to sacrifice world simulation, so NPCs in a town CAN be attacked, you can break into houses etc. and NPCs have actual daily routines. the new lead programmer gets to decide if and where we have load screens, and how many NPCs we can support simultaneously.once the foundation exists (hopefully after less than one year) we can start hiring back some artfaggots but we keep the team as small as possible and we prevent nepotism hires à la "I worked with this guy on this other project and he is really good" types weaseling their way into the company.the game's story is the sum of the quest choices the player makes. there isn't a real main quest although there may be some overarching goal that will be accomplished in the late game.
>>732207754/v/ used to laugh at this panel, but slowly and steady it became reality.You celebrate the games you like not because of their quality, but because of how successful they are, and you celebrate other games's failures as if state of the developer directly impacts you.Jews won. You became a fanatic obsessed with their products, and act like the brands are religions.
Who's the new Obsidian making actual good underrated games?
>>732206907Good, fuck this Fabian Society slop>>732207000SPBP/thread
>>732209717>implying that ego can stand writers with other opinions Only the same sort of cucks will get to work there
>>732209691>see people go feral over romance>umm akschually, we're not doing that>flopI mean, there's multiple reasons for flopping but they sure made it easy for people to skip their shit
>>732208974I received the Outer Worlds for free when I bought a Ryzen cpu. I want the minutes I spent redeeming the code back.
>>732209826He said FOR white people, not BY self-hating white people
>>732209804((Hansen))
>>732209826LMAO grounded2 team at least is mystery meat - the game
>>732209776He's in luck, he'll be doing exactly that when Microsoft guts him and his entire dev team and shutters their studio.
>>732209929Ah.
>>732209847>WE ARE NOT SO DIFFERENT YOU AND Iand whoa said tranoids have no sense of humor, LMAO
>>732207412I bought Obsidian games in the past, now they're trying to sell these current titles off the reputations of people who don't even work there anymore
>>732209804>>732209830LOL removed
>>732206907STOP FUCKING PUTTING UGLY BROWNOIDS IN MY FACE AND GIVE ME A GOOD STORY AND RPG MECHANICS YOU FUCKING RETARDS
>>732206907>Both games were in development for 6+ years and they thought it would be a success?lmao these niggers never learn.
>>732209471>moderately wokeBG3 has a pair of lesbians as a major plot point and a trans character who was Shadowheart's longtime friend plus Balduran had gay sex with his dragon
So why did people want these retards to make a Fallout game if their own games suck?
>>732209776The real question is why does a commie faggot look so much like tsar nicholas?
>>732207235It's easy for them to fix it, but they don't want our money.
>>732210002Eternal Curse of the RPG company. Proven track record making games for IPs they can't bend and therefore fuck up.
>>732210001BG3 did a bait and switch where there basically wasn't any woke shit in EA and then they dumped all of the woke shit on you in the final release, especially act 3.
>>732210001And they are STILL more straight and attractive than anything done by obsidian since MotB, go figure
>>732210021He took the thesis and antithesis part very seriously
>>732210132I don't remember woke shit in BG3 but then again I always drop it at the start of Act 3 + I always kill the faggot vampire and the faggot wizard
>>732209804>>732209776how do these kind of people end up working in an industry they hate?
Modern Obsydian to be some kind of epsteinian money laundering scheme. Nobody could genuinely believe that The Outer Worlds was worthy of a sequel. They didn't even bother marketing it possibly out of sheer embarassement.
>want to give outer worlds a shot>I'll watch someone stream it a bit before I pay>CAPITALISM IS HAHA SOOO BAD BRO>controls and areas look jank>gunplay looks boring>OW 2 literally the same thing>flopsYeah wow shocker
>>732210197Not good enough to be a real writer. And you can bet your ass they're eternally mad that they have to write for video games
>>732207412>Leftist discourse is about pretending not to understand thingsI WOULD have bought games from them. BUT they put brown people, gay women, ugly women, shitty writing, and slop looking gameplay in my face, and I chose not to.What is hard about this you tremendous faggot? I chose to not buy their goyslop.
>>732209847>because of how successful they areProjecting hard.
>>732210001>BG3 has a pair of lesbians as a major plot pointI just started act 3 and I have yet to see them
>>732210197Because gamedevs are the retards of tech people in general, if you were good at it you could get easily far better paying and stable jobs in other industries who need your skillsetMost of those won't require you to waste your workday arguing what is 'problematic' with leftoid fine arts majors either
>>732210197As someone who works closely with marketing it's easier than you think>bunch of companies want us to come in and update their sites for "progressive" idealogies>website gets a bunch of stupid shit like this, LBGTQIA+, and other bullshit everyone gags over>website gets a tool that shows metrics of viewers go up>they show investors how much more engagement they are getting now>people get FOMO and then give moneyWhat in reality happened was we modernized their website from something practically unusable that was last updated in maybe 2014 at best, modernized it to work properly on mobile devices and modern browsers, sprinkled adsense in there with keywords to bump it in searches, and it actually changed shit around meaning people who used the site can't navigate it now and give it more clicks. It takes a few years for companies to realize the fact more clicks does not equal more engagement just that people might be lost on the site or look at the new change and forget about it in the 30 second zoomie brains they have.I shit you not this happens so much
>>732207000Spbp. These faggots suck ass at making games, they just make pozzfests.
>>732210519I didn't play the DLC because I didn't wanna do another 384 ball rolling puzzles
>>732210194>he kills AstarionAstarion is one of the most fun companions in crpg historyHe's a delight on an evil run
>>732210298I saw that happen live, was quite interested in the early access version but did not buy it, waited for the release and it was turbo cancer. Never bought.However there is a lot of stuff in BG3 that idiots can enjoy and delude themselves with, I do not like Shadowheart or Astarion but you certainly do not see characters like that becoming popular from the crap Obsidian has made
>>732210618cool story homo
They have been riding the New Vegas train.The thing is the writing is what made New Vegas great.
>>732210737KotOR 2 train you mean
>>732207481>was okaybro it was dogshit, worse than anything bethesda shits out.
>>732210458NTA as someone who also works closely with marketing, they really cannot understand markets from a quantitative angle. So, there's straight people, gay people, trans people, and some undefined queer people. That's 4 groups, and 100% divided by 4 is 25%, so 25% of all people shown should be gay, or trans, or whatever. You can say, "but wait! some of these groups only account for less than 1% of the population! are you really sure our market has 25X more gays than the regular population?" but that point is completely lost on many marketing professionals. They cannot into numbers beyond some basic bitch CAGR number that always jsut means, "we should invest in this". It's simply amazing if 0.0005% of the population came out as transpecies lizard people, marketing departments would insist on having 20% of everyone featured be a lizard.
>>732207979>. Combat and exploration are fun but the writing is so bad and bland and it feels like there is 0 world interactivity.kek I've heard the exact opposite, about how the combat is generic and the exploration is lackluster due to the world not being that big but the "obsidian-tier writing" is what carries it.
>>732210618>one note shitter performance who gets showered with awards because of the 'I can fix him' crowd, despite the performance and character being mediocre as hellno, thank you
>>732208706Disco ElysiumSolastaFallout but that was decades ago
>>732208607lol
>>732206907The new hacks at Obsidian misunderstood Fallout so badly they thought they could recreate it. They took the elements of parody in Fallout and thought that was the whole setting.
>>732210980>Solasta>successfulIt was?
>>732210980Is Solasta really that good?
>>732209408Even woke people don't want to buy games with unattractive characters
>>732210421the aasimar and JK Simmons's zombie daughter
Have they tried just going full chudcore?Everyone is trying the full woke thing and falling miserably, maybe do the opposite.
>>732210838>2020 elections and covid>everyone wants the gayslop on>just now people realizing sales didn't increase worth a damn>lay off staff because they saw clicks and views go up without any engagement increasesEvery time anon, I feel you so fucking stupid.
>>732210519what causes someone to open steam, be presented with thousands and thousands of timeless games that are finely crafted by people with passion skill and talent, and then ignore all of them and buy something like this instead? i am genuinely asking
>>732206907Has this not been obsidian from the start? Their first games were KOTOR2 and neverwinter nights 2.
>>732211069>>732211059It's just ok but it sold enough to make a sequel
>>732206907all they have to do is make a good game
>>732211098Saddest part is some of these people are actually really really smart, just not in the aspect of being smart enough to address how just because someone goes Like to a post or views an ad doesn't mean the person is engaged and going to purchase.
>>732206907>outer worlds 2 was in development 6+ yearswtf I thought the first one came out like 3 years ago but it released in 2019, 7 years agoI'm so fucking old holy shit
Just put Avellone in charge of something. I like Sawyer but he needs some humility and/or to pivot entirely to artsy indie projects
>>732211179Because I'd rather buy that than some finely crafted DWilson
>>732211427I dont think he works there lad
>>732211339It only get worse
>>732207481You people keep posting the companions like thats the reason people didnt buy the game.The truth is both were so ass i quit before even getting more than 2 companions, and they had nothing to do with why i dropped them
>>732206907They pretty much abandoned Grounded 2 tho. The Christmas update was literal nothing burger with 1 reskinned bug, and the new trailer for next update dropped few days ago and it consists 90% of old stuff.
>>732211530>like thats the reason people didnt buy the gameIt is
>>732211624>abandoned their only successful gamekek, no surprise there from obsidishit
>>732210868Those people are crazy. The game just has decent first person melee combat with enough numbers behind it to make it feel like a real RPG. The exploration is nice because the rewards feel substantial.The writing is asexualcore as fuck.
>>732211098When you're in a meeting with 10 people and 2 karens have FOMO you will always lose the logical choice
I actually want to try avowed but shit is still overpriced and they havent released any 3rd party keys
>>732211279I kind of liked it, I just do not see how it could commercially been successful Are you sure WotC are not just desperate after throwing the money Larian could have made them out of the window?
>>732211530If you have hot girls as LIs, the hype will roll even for meh quality.
It's hilarious that they can't immediately identify the issues why these games flop. Ask their art director for one at least.>>732211427They fired Avellone for the false metoo allegations didn't they? Doubt he's interested in going back but god knows they need him.
>>732206907What? Grounded 2 released already?
Looked it up, grounded 2 is early access with "We aren’t locking ourselves into a hard date just yet; it’ll really depend on how things go and how much we add based on your feedback. We’ll keep you posted along the way"They can go fuck themselves, I really liked grounded 1 but we will see about this one.
>>732207000Yup, this. They have nothing left in the tank, they're better off just gone. I guess it doesn't matter because I'm not gonna play any of their lifeless, unambitious slop. None of their games have any character or life to them. They're all designed by committee.
>Make smaller, funner RPGs>Stop being like Piranha Bytes and chasing the same high over and over>Lonely men and women are easy to please. Husbando and waifu autism sellsEasy peasy.
>>732211935It released in july last year, bro. I guess it can't have had a huge budget like Outer Worlds or Avowed so it didn't need to sell as much to be a success.
>>732212026>I really liked survival crafting slop 1>thinks he gets to have an opinion
>>732211935early access
>>732212002Yea but the OP speaks about it like it was released already, i'm waiting for it to come out
>>732211112>the aasimaNo idea what that is, I'm ignorant to FR and DnD lore.>JK Simmons's zombie daughterShe was mind controlled when I fought him
>>732206907by doing nothing
I really liked Pentiment.RIP studio.
>>732206907The release of Pillars of Eternity made it clear that Obsidian is incapable of making good games anymore. The people are gone, the few remaining big names are useless old farts. That reminds me, Sawyer is a giga faggot and I want to see him suffer.
>nothing but LGBTQ mystery meat companions with forgettable personalities>make the gameplay shit and awkward like New Vegas (or Gamebryo/Creation engine in general) on purpose instead of actually good>Outer Worlds is basically Starfield meets Borderlands>Avowed is basically Skyrim meets Borderlands
>>732206907They deserve it
>>732212220>each day you have meals with people, showing authentic Medieval foodstuffs that differ depending on the social class of the people you eat withI will forever shill it for that alone
>More games in the PoE universeWhy? The universe has been boring since the beginning and has only gotten worse as every game has a completely different look and feel. So now not only is it boring, it also lacks identity.
>>732207412>shitty studio making shit games diesI fail to see how this isnt a positive. More public space and more opportunities for good games.
>>732212259>Pillars of Eternity>the dev commentaries versionYou do not hate obsidian enough before you haven't heard the cucks and arrogance-dripping arthoes wanking themselves off about what they vomited out there
>not a single post mentioning gameplay in any wayYou people don't play video games.
>>732206907Obsidian vidya are too asexual and old person coded. Unironically they need to look at Owlcat, Warhorse, Larian, CDPR, etc. and see that people only play RPGs for romance now. Wokeness doesn't matter, no non-woke games are made anyways and tons are hits, just add sexuality and romance so lonely chuds and chudettes that are into singleplayer vidya can enjoy them.
>>732212128>No idea what that isthe Nightsong, brother>She was mind controlledyou let her die?
>>732206907Regardless of how shit they would've been and how butt fucking ugly the companions were, them proudly proclaming that both games won't have romance options, and even making it part of the marketing of Outer Worlds 2, showed how much they didn't get their own audience.
>>732212468>gameplayOuter Worlds 1 and 2: New Vegas in Space 1 and 2Avowed: notSkyrimThere's really nothing to discuss.
>>732206907They don't deserve to be saved
>>732206907Outer worlds and avowed just have the blandest fucking artstyles ever. At least pillars 1 had a cool story and 2 had guns, but goddamn everythings just so boring and ugly
lollmao
>>732210001lesbians who are two pretty white-looking ladies, not that woke. Shadowheart's trans friend is easter-egg tier. It's not made very explicit that Balduran and the dragon were actively lovers.It's all a matter of presentation and one person can ignore some of that stuff if they desire so. In Obsidian's games where every other important character is a bossy lesbian with a buzzcut, not so much
>>732212682>the Nightsong, brotherOh, the chick in the Shar temple, yeah, I let Shadowheart kill her. >you let her die?Combat started, she was aggro, so I nuked her. Don't see why I'd go out of way to save someone I saw one time before, for a grand total of 2 appearances.
>>732212128It was the Nightsong at the end of the Gauntlet of Shar. Even outside of the lesbian relationship, she is the most grating and insufferable character in the game.
>>732212892You had a blessed first run.
Fuck them. NV trannies need to let go of that studio it's been shit for over a decade.
>>732206907Obsidian are nothing without Avellone
>>732207412>/v/ who hasn't bought a single game from them ever:Most people here have played KOTOR2 and New Vegas, what the fuck are you talking about sped?
>>732207479It's really not worth playing. Not because it's remarkably horrible. It's not even good enough to be bad. It's not good enough to illicit an emotional response one way or the other. It's just one big nothing. I can't remember a single NPC, quest, companion, weapon, or location off the top of my head. I don't even remember the plot, though I'm absolutely certain I played the game through the ending.It was lifeless. It had nothing to it. It was designed by committee and was the most uninteresting game one could possibly create. You literally could not recreate it if you tried, because they did not try to begin with. It's hard to even describe how forgettable it is, because I forgot everything that happened in the game. It didn't do anything remarkably good or bad. It just was. It's like trying to remember the 354th grain of rice you ate out of a bowl. You are simply not going to remember it.
>playing a bit of Outer Worlds 2 since I have game pass anyway>guns feel like complete shit to use>game overall lacks tension/excitement, it's more of a slow stroll>everyone tries to be way too zany/funny>getting bored 15h in>apparently i'm only at 20% of the gameegghhhhhlike, it's better than doing nothingbut that's about it
>>732207000this, another loss for the wokies
>>732212926>>732212979Seems like I dodged a bullet
Obsidian really needs to experiment with a more open ended rpg experience instead of it being overly linear and narrative driven.
>>732213317Like the games in OP you mean?
>>732206907you put it out of its misery like a dying dog with cancer
>>732211771Solasta just used the free DnD license I think
>>732212892>I let Shadowheart kill herIf you let her decide, she lets Aylin live unless you have low approval with her. What was your run like that you had low approval with Shadowheart in Act 2? My evil ass Dark Urge run had to tell her to do it or she'd spare her.
>>732208912No that's just convergent evolution
>>732206907kek get owned wokies
>>732207000based trips
>>732213357>Outer Worlds>open endedIt's about as open ended as a choose your own adventure book.
>>732207979>romanceNo no no, anon. Sex, when it is not about representation of ambiguously brown ugly trooned out lesbians is not allowed.
I'd rather get another Avowed than Outer Worlds. I thought OW was an okay 6.5-7/10, but mainly due to the DLC, but I genuinely enjoyed Avowed. It had some fun weapons and I liked the story, but I also realize that the lore was all preexisting.
>>732206907Obsidian has not made an even remotely decent game in years now, null shock to be had with this outcome.
>>732207196The average profit target in gaming is 10-15% and we don't know if Xbox even makes real profit.30% is pretty much impossible but you need to remember that every single other MS division makes insane money so Xbox is the retarded brother even if it makes some money.
>>732213568>anon realizes that every game is limited to the quests the devs made and can't just invent new things on the fly
>>732213392I didn't let her decide, I told her to just kill the bitch, since Shadowheart couldn't stop going on and on about Shar. I was still miffed from that stupid fucking "follow this path exactly or die" trial and wanted to be done with that place.
>>732206907Good. Fuck the democrats and DSA.
Obsidian was created due to key Black Isle devs dispersing after the company dissolved. How about doing the same thing over again because clearly there's some fat that needs trimming at Obsidian. Just close it down and begin anew.
>>732213663Shar's the biggest cunt of all the gods so you should've just denied her
I honestly just think that media released by people in a society are influenced by the overall state of the world. Everything sucks, the zeitgeist is fried, and the biggest perceived virtue for modern normans is to pick a side of the fence and show your bare butthole to the opponent baboon style.Games way back when were probably only better because the society was. Vidya writers were influenced by actual good sci-fi(see, half-life's writing team being mostly comprised of people who were previously writing sci-fi for magazines for a living.) and the psychosis was way lower.
>>732213314Kind of. Them hogging your camp for no reason is possibly the more performative LGTB shit in the whole game, and that is saying a lot seeing the rest.Pissed me off because in the first run I had hopes that Isobel would become a good-aligned cleric alternative to Shart
>>732207412it sends a message to any surviving studios
>>732206907Ehm, No?
>>732206907shocker. woke slop sells like shit? thats new.S.
>>732213579that woman owes me love and sex
>>732206907Big problem is the one writer who keeps making every game exactly the same. Dude is killing the company because he won’t come up with new ideas or let someone else take the reins.
>>732213910Like I said, I know nothing about DnD lore, and the game really didn't do much to make me dislike Shar. So I just thought of it was helping Shadowheart.>>732213967Holy fuck, they start loitering in camp? Yeah, I dodged a bullet, I just sent that old prune druid on her way as well.
>>732206907Article is wrong. Everyone told me at release that Outer Worlds 2 was a big hit.
>>732207235>Last year the developer released three games—a rare and impressive achievement for a studio of its size—but two of them failed to meet sales forecasts set by Obsidian’s parent company, Microsoft Corp. “They’re not disasters,” Urquhart says. “I’m not going to say this was a kick in the teeth. It was more like: ‘That sucks. What are we learning?’”So they didn't live up to Microsoft's 30 % target, but I guess they broke even or were at least close to breaking even. I'm not surprised, like they talk about in the article, that recouping six years of development and making a 30 % profit margin on top of it isn't easy.
When Epstein calls people goyim he is talking about Josh Sawyer and the people he surrounds himself with
>>732208474Someones got to pay for the copilot ai servers, and lord knows it won't be copilot itself
>>732214668>Someones got to pay for the copilot ai serversWhat is Azure & Cloud for 500, Rick. Azure alone brings in far more profit than Xbox does lmao by a lot. Azure, and all of their Cloud services have increased while Xbox has decreased in revenue. https://news.microsoft.com/source/2026/01/28/microsoft-cloud-and-ai-strength-drives-second-quarter-results-3/
>>732209408Owlcat and Laurian games are still fun, in spite of their flaws. nu-Obsidian garbage is completely derivative and actively boring to play. Normally, if a game is boring, I'll at least finish my session and simply not pick it up again. OW is the first game where I actually stopped mid-session out of pure boredom. It's actually impressive how they managed that, because I'll play any old garbage.
>about to be placed on the chopping block by Microsoft >Only good game everyone remembers them for just got eradicated out of the Canon Welcome in the Todd Won timeline
>>732206907>6+ years of dev time for slopJesus fucking Christ. Just kill the company already. Put it out of its misery.
>>732211427Avellone hates Obsidian management too much to ever work with them again. I think he's content just being a contractor for random games.
Should have never kicked out Avellone.
>>732215259Hilarious that Obsidian's claim to fame is just making sequels for other companies, while all their original IPs flop.
>>732215819Also ruining the communities of said ip's because of the fake pseudo intelectual bullshit like KOTOR 2
>>732208379If you tell them to put hot bitches in their game or get stabbed in the arm they'll ask you if they can pick which one.
Bethesda Obsidian and Microsoft all suck dick. It's time for them to exit gaming once and for all.
>>732208107Its always interesting reading shill posts.
>>732206907>How do you save Obsidian, /v/?fire everyone and close the studio
>>732216013I never said to buy the game. I said it is better than 1. It is. Literally everyone who has played both agrees with this.
>>732216141Its more of the same, you're screaming into the void if you think saying the game is better will be believed by anyone with a brain.
>>732215981Sure blizzdrone
I haven't seen a single human being actually play OW2. Even avowed had more humans actually talking about it
>>732212065Sry that you got minecraft-damaged in your formative years.
>>732216261It won't be believed by retarded niggers like you because you don't play games, you just bitch about them. All I said was it was better. Personally I think it is a $40 (or free) game at best and the fact that they thought OW2 should be the first $80 game was hilarious. Game is still better than the 1st one, and I care because they advertised the first ones as from 'the creators of fallout new vegas' and it was a far cry from that. OW2 is closer, even if it is still far away.
Rate xbox's rpg studios from best to worst.1. Inxile2. Bethesda 3. Obsidian 4. Playground games (lmao)
>>732209847you're wrong and an idiot, I don't care who puts it out I want DEI garbage to fail so that gaming can finally heal
>>732216665>because you don't play gamesI don't consume games, I play games. If a game is going to be obviously shit, like OW2 was obviously going to be, I don't waste my money or time.>OW2 is closer, even if it is still far away.lollmaoEnjoy your hag faction leader NV wannabe.
>>732206907Maybe they should stop using generic character creator characters across the board and concentrate on something.. cool? They have been in the business for so long that they should know better than shitting out generic UE5 slop with woke AI written scripts.
>>732207412Alpha Protocol is a game I really want to love and recommend to other people, but all the jank, bugs, and general bullshit typical to an Obsidian game killed it on release so there's zero hope of a sequel and even now it's forgotten to the annuals of history despite the dialogue system being something that devs should have stolen as a natural improvement on the ME dialogue wheel.
>>732206907Deserved, rot in feces
Making a sequel to OW1 had to be one of the biggest confusing moves I've seen a company make because I don't know anyone who played it or seeing it make a splashLiterally WHO wanted one?
>>732217175The team did. They don't want to make your boomer franchises, unc. The people who made them are gone or actively dislike the old franchises.>BRO WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A SEQUEL TO A 30 YEAR OLD GAMEBecause the average employee is probably like 28 lmao.
>>732217367Bait used to be believable.
>>732206907By killing them. They turned to the fagways long ago. No cure. No saving them.
>>732217407It's actually only 50% bait. Why do people expect them to make sequels to ancient games when like only 1% of the people at the company worked on those games.
>>732206907duh
>>732217517I never said they should make sequels to old games. Cool strawman. I said why make a sequel to a game literally nobody gave a fuck about.I can at least understand grounded. People actually bought and played it even if it's not my thing. OW1 was a worse NV and you can just play the real deal
>>732206907>the only good games they made are ancient or done by the Grounded team
>>732207754Flops do not kill bad games, they kill risk. This in turn creates more "sure-fire" or "safe" games. So if you like Ubislop open worlds with towers and cinematic walking simulators then yes, you are going to get more games that appeal to you.
>>732216876>Bethesdashit>Obsidianshit>inXileHaven't played any of their stuff besides Bard's Tale (good) to be honest.
>>732215912Kotor2 is dogshit man. It's so overwhelmingly inferior to the first game, which actually understands the fundamental underlying spirituality of the source material. The only good thing Kotor2 did is add cooler robes.
>>732217849
>>732218102>actually understands the fundamental underlying spirituality of the source materialForce = good, Dark = unnatural poison?
>>732206907grounded 2 is so fucking terrible. too many bugs, boring map, few qol improvements. this game has no tells that it was a sequel built in the same engine by the same people apart from the artwork
>>732218207Anon, KOTOR 2 began the "force is le bad" talk
>>732215046Yes Billy, Azure and Cloud is MS's biggest earner above all. However AI still a money pit and there was a 20% difference between GAAP and Non GAAP earnings when AI came into play.It'll be a real shame if MS gives up the OS, office production & games market to be strictly a 2nd fiddle cloud service provider with a money pit AI service.
>>732206907I fucking hate that Outer Worlds "Mascot".It's such a shitty attempt to steal from Vault boy, it look so vile and smug
>>732218852>It'll be a real shame if MS gives up the OS, office production & games marketWell don't look now but Wall Street has completely cucked every software and financial backer of software in the last 48 hours because they think AI will replace all that stuff. MSFT would go to the moon if they dropped Windows and Office.
>>732206907Avowed was shit garbage. Obsidian was anal-pained that they got shafted by Bethesda when they kept wanting to work within their universes after New Vegas, so they set out to create their own competing fantasy universe that FEELS like is was written by basedlennial retards. And the only thing they achieved after 6+ years of development is slightly better combat than 15 year old Skyrim, prettier graphics (thanks to the 15+ year difference & the Unrealslop engine) and worse everything else.>NPCs are stagnant, stay in the same place 24/7>Can steal in front of NPCS, nobody gives a shit>Friendly NPCs won't budge from their fixed spots even when you bring enemies to them, nobody comments on it or reacts to fighting or literally anything you do in front of them>Friendly NPCs unhittable>Literally little to no reactivity in general by NPCs>Enemies almost always only stay in spawn origin>Objects are glued to their surfaces>No fish>Terrible physics>Jump from a high surface and your character dies mid-flight>Broken/awkward pathing on terrain and objects>Crafting and systems are shallow>Enemy variety low>Awful writing>Woke crap like choosing pronouns/crying about "muh colonialism"/andro characters/etc.It's literal slop. They deserve bankruptcy.
>>732206907>obsidian finally gets the resources to do their own big budget games>they all flopNV was a lighting in a bottle momentApologize
>>732206907>go woke>go broke>???>profit
>>732219148Wtf is their obsession with Bethesda even? Why is their only thing:>Let's copy Bethesda series but make it gay and retarded???
>>732216280and blizzard too
>>732207000Trips of truth have spokenS
>>732208474>>732213646Successful games clear those 30% very easily. That's why you have so many retarded studios investing way too much money into games nobody wants. Because the profit margins on success are so great.
>>732219803The Avowed boxart is fucking atrocious. I know what they were going for but it's bad
>>732207209Microsoft will keep them around for as long as they think having filler games for gamepass is valuable.
Fire all women
Microsoft killed their studio. They were doing fine prior to the merger
>>732207412What do you mean, retard? KotoR2, New Vegas and Alpha Protocol were great.
>>732220120Their studio will still be filled with low-test reddit*rs, so it wouldn't make a difference
>>732220120The women are staying
>>732208250Anon, you're confused. The GGG thread is two blocks down.
>>732208107>More skill checks.The skill checks are a pain in the fucking ass though.>Sorry Anon you didn't have 5 points into anal spelunking, guess the last 3 minutes of exploring were a waste of time. >Repeat 100 times.It would be different if it just wasn't my focus but the game basically forces you to minmax in one combat thing and one non combat thing and fuck everything else. Between that and the story I just haven't bothered going back after a few hours in.
>>732220151They still sucked before that and kept getting more and more woke.Microsoft could have been the best thing to happen to them bc they could have gone the Bethesda route (what they're reportedly doing for TESVI) and pull in devs and resources from the Microsoft umbrella to help improve their engine + whatever else & maybe they did, but they still chose to greenlight slop, and that's entirely on them.
>>732220076How could you not love this generic artstation portfolio-filler piece?
>>732210002Those people live in the past, where Obsidian could still make good stuff. They probably haven't played any of the new trash they've been putting out.
>>732207412>I love vidya>vidya industry is filled with dogshit>dogshit maker goes out of business>celebrateIt isn't complicated, you retarded troglodyte.I celebrate any improvement of my hobby and there are a lot of improvements to be had...
>>732206907Thought the main cope thrown around was that their production costs were way lower, at least for Outer Worlds 2
>>732206907Is 30% profit really possible is microjew just taking the piss at this point for more layoffs?
>>732207412I cheer when evil is defeated, even if the evil wasn't directly threatening me.
Great games come from the time and place people meet in history to creating magic. When games take more than 2 years, the great people move on because they don’t like the bureaucracy. There is a reason why games suck the majority of the time. It’s the employees and them churning. We took stalwarts who stayed at great companies for years producing hit after hit while testing limits of hardware in creative ways to suck every last ounce of performance to produce the best version of their dream within their limitations and replaced them with Karen’s and Raj’s who only know how to cut and paste in unreal
>>732210838Still weird Japan figured this shit out years ago with Yuri and Yaoi.
>>732217175It was just an excuse to remove loot boxes and you know it.
>>732221821Nearly every good game takes longer than 2 years, especially now as gamers begin to expect more simulation elements in their games, bigger maps, more complicated physics, voice acting, and especially better graphics. You are right that bureaucracy is a major killer, but development time itself isn't what makes bureaucracy, but studio expansion and bloat when managed poorly (which is most of the time). Once a game studio becomes big enough and multiple branches open across different states or even countries, half of the team's input becomes close to irrelevant. As a result, many great ideas get looked over and ignored, people feel less connected to the project and each other (main reason why a lot of long-time Beth devs left the studio in the last 5-10 years), and because costs are astronomically higher, there's less room for experimentation and longer development times than necessary. What you get are games that play it safe (AKA Souls-like #1000, BethRPG #50, etc.) and try to cater to as many people as possible, fearing reprisal should they piss off queers or w/e the fuck.
>>732206907they don't deserve saving
>>732207412Games don't exist in a bubble. Studio & game trends bounce off each other and influence the industry as a whole. Not only that, Obsidian once DID produce good games, but they've been nothing but disappointing since then.Hence why it's gratifying when a game like Avowed which COULD have been good, fails because the devs make stupid decisions and set stupid priorities.
Man, remember when MS bought Obsidian and they showed Avowed and everyone lost their shit with "New Vegas guys are making Elder Scrolls now!"And then MS bought Bethesda and turns out both studios were trash without a good game left in them
>>732207000Trips of truth.
>>732206907The thing about Avowed wasn't that it was even a bad game. It was just so fucking bland and content deprived that it was forgettable. The combat was awesome and I'd play another game with the same experience in a heartbeat, the problem is everything else. NPC's/overworld animals had no impact registry or physics. The story was so baked into preexisting lore of the Pillars that anyone who didn't play those games (me) wouldn't understand what the fuck is going on. Lack of enemy diversity - nothing but spiders and skeletons. Lack of interesting biomes.What they should do is license the Runescape IP and do a 1st person experience of OS Runescape in the F2P world. Avowed gameplay in the Runescape world with the same quests and simple story of the Dragonslayer would sell billions. They should do what Lords of the Fallen 2 and Code Vein 2 did and ignore the first game lorewise and start from the ground up and develop a simple story faced around killing a bad guy.I enjoyed the game but it felt more like proof of concept rather than a polished experience.
>>732223253God I really hope TESVI doesn't turn out to be a massive disappointment like everything Bethesda produced after Skyrim, but that seems to be a BIG ask from those clowns. The only reason why the Elder Scrolls universe is any good after all, is because it was mostly written and developed before 2012
i hope tencent buys them and purges all the retarded wokies
>>732221201Those people lie as easily as they breathe.
>>732220031Define successful games. The 5 top always online crap? Single player games rarely if ever have such profit margins unless they sell 20+ million copies or a one man dev strikes gold.
>>732207000based trips, S
>>732221360It depends, but with a six year dev cycle, you're looking at moving a lot of copies to reach that target. If your game goes viral you can probably make several times that. For Avowed and OW2, likely not.
>>732209847Leave the thread.
>>732208607>"Ow" 2kek
Good, fuck Obsidian, I hope they get shuttered.
>>732207000this anon is cute
>>732206907>Obsidian is gonna die before Double Fine, Ninja Theory, or RareHuh
>>732209804huh.another self-hating whitefascinating.anyway.
>>732206907Avowed was okay, but it was beatable within the free trial period of Gamepass. Anyway, I just want a sequel to Tyranny.
>>732206907>doesn't meet sales expectationsBecause those are unrealistically high usually.
>>732208107TOW2 might be better but it's still no New Vegas, which is depressing cause that game was rushed out the door something fierce. Obsidian has Microsoft tier budgets and a free license to do anything, how are they struggling to outdo an unfinished 360 era game?
>>732206907I just finished Outer Worlds and it is better than New Vegas. Kill the NPCs you don't like, many good role playing dialog options, game runs butter smooth compared to Avowed.
>>732206907I don't understand why its so difficult to have a decent first person fantasy rpg. Skyrim proves it can make money off normalfags with even bare minimum effort, yet somehow these retarded subhumans just keep shitting the bed.
6+ years for TOW2 (did it have resets? I think not) seems highly inefficient. The game wasn't even super polished or had an insane amount of content.
>>732206907wow, now way, who could expect thismethey have 1 more game in them, and then i hope studio dies
how embarrassing when some slavs in a basement made a skyrim clone in less time
>>732228475>I don't understand why its so difficult to have a decent first person fantasy rpg.Bad devs. Skyrim was capable people and everyone in the studio was allowed to create content.Modern RPGs are scared of every bit of content, because someone might be offended. At the same time middle management can't stand people happily working on their own. They have to sign off everything, which kills motivation. See Starfield.
>>732207568GTA 6 has been in development for 13 yearsElder Scrolls 6 has been in development for 15 years6 years is nothing for games of this scale.
>>732228759None of these games are anywhere near the scale of GTA 6, are you fucking insane?
>>732207481i like yatzli and in a perfect world shed be an romance target and youd cuck her beta partnerthe game sucks thoughthats all please carry on
>>732228759TESVI hasn't been in development for 15 years though. It entered pre-production in 2018 (which just means writing, planning, concept art) with a small side-team, but no actual hands-on development until around end of 2023-2024.So I wonder if what you said about GTAVI is bullshit too
>>732206907Has anyone checked in on Sawyer
>Kick Avellone out>Studio falls apartlmfao
>>732229496Avellone was around for development of PoE and likely parts of TOW if 6 years is true. Both are garbage.
>>732208379You'd think they'd eventually learnYou can even get the retards on this site into spamming shit like BG3 or Dispatch forever simply because of the waifusFaggots love that shitBut I guess the DEI funding was more important
>>732208379Not really. TOW2 would still be bland and generic.Obsidian games could be saved by actually capable devs. Better gameplay, better quests, better dialogs, better NPCs.But we got a sterile HR-approved world.
>>732208474Skill issue
>>732208189you are on a video game forum you normoid nigger
Thanks chuds, you've literally just destroyed about one of the few remaining companies making actual RPGS with choices instead of bloated open world actions slops. I hope you fell happy with yourselves and I really, really hope you won't complain about the state of gaming in the future. You did this...
>>732206907The PoE "universe" is dogshit. It's so generic it's a joke, everything reads like a bad parody of older franchises. I'm top of that total lack of creativity, everything and everyone is filthy, gay and pozzed to appease the "modern audience". It's a really off-putting universe, honestly. There isn't a single interesting thing about it.
>>732207000.....S??
>>732207000this. obsidian has never made a good game.
>>732206907>Pillars 3 died for this
>>732236441Pathfinder's setting is "filthy, gay and pozzed" to the point that three of the major good goddesses are in a gay polycule and unoriginal to the point of literally being an intentional almost copy of pre-4e era D&D but it still manages to be interestingPoE just sucks and was clearly written by people with no idea of how to worldbuild
>>732237193It's gotten to the point I'd rather have seen shit like this and Veilguard release as the liver services they were initially intended to be just to see how they would have fucked it up
>>732237793>but it still manages to be interestingIt doesn't
>>732207635Accurate
>>732206907Avowed was just ok. I pirated it and got bored in the third area. It would be excellently priced if was a 15-20 dollar game.
>>732237925I disagree
>>732238540Which simply means you have shit taste, Pathfinder is a garbage setting and it's a good thing that Owlcat moved on from it
>>732237793>pozfinder>interestingDelusional
Why can't I just get a fun sincere space adventure. They could even explore future fantasy transhumanism with full body swaps or something if they're so inclined. Instead you get modern day tranny garbage
>>732238902because the devs are modern american left wingers, cringe is all they are capable of at this point.
>>732206907Avowed is unironically a fun game. TOW2 is pretty bland, better than the first, but that ain't really a high bar>>732207412I bought Grounded, Grounded 2, Deadfire, and Tyranny.
>>732207000Go woke go broke
>>732207000spbp
>>732238902or anti-grav wheelchairs to be extra 'inclusive' That shit was already embarrassing in ds9 decades ago
>>732241397Wouldn't a society in space that's filled anarchists, rebels and tyranny be anything but inclusive leading to a might makes right scenario and all the disabled would just get effectively purged?
>>732241481Wasn't talking of this specific setting, seems just the way sci-fi games are written in general now. Or anything fictional really, seeing how WOW pulled the same bullshit just with magic now
>>732228759>Elder Scrolls 6 has been in development for 15 yearsI don't think it's possible to explain to you that just because somebody shows a trailer with a logo doesn't mean that they are actually doing any serious work on it. I'd still like to try, though.
>>732241997you could've just wrote *reddit post* and it would've been the same
>>732207000Agreed on this completely. Obsidian has belonged in the trash for many years.S
>>732207000this, the studio deserve to rest in peace, not be worn around like a skinsuit.
>>732241997Some battles just aren't worth trying, anon.
>>732206907but all those twitter screencap threads said they did great?
>>732206907end the anti-white racial discrimination in the hiring practices and workplace
>>732206907Avowed and outer worlds obsidian Troon shills lost bigly
>>732206907>280 employees to shit out their trite slopWhat s garbage fire
>>732207278No you retard, they need to survive. Otherwise those bullshit people will spread and taint studios that make real vidya.It's a community service, a faggot containment daycare.
Maybe they should stop making DEI propaganda slop with no artistic appeal? Just a thought
>Buy Outer Worlds 1>Dumb game with lefties but at least got options to be a dick and evil and kill em>Outer Worlds 2 >NO GOYIM YOU CAN'T JOIN LE EVIL FACTION ALSO HERE'S DEI PROPAGANDA ON STEROIDSWas thinking of buying Avowed too before OW2 but after playing it I can just imagine the pure lefty faggotry that game will be>Announced ps5 portLmaoooo get fucked
>>732207979The combat is fucking gay. I was stunlocking a bear with bow and arrow within 5 minutes of playing. The traversal is fun but the exploration is also gay because there's nothing to find. Literally the only redeeming quality is the traversal.
>>732212468Well why would I mention it? I haven't bought it because it is almost as off-putting as it is possible for a game to be.
>>732206907Too much DEI shit in these games made me avoid them like the plague.
>>732250945Playing TOW1 on the gamepass free trial made me avoid them like the plague
>>732206907>thread is still alive
Remember this shit pitched way back as an Ultima Underworld? What went wrong?
>>732207979> some romanceFuck off. RPGs don't need romance shit.It drains the resources on useless stuff.
>>7322198032 flops in a row for a new studio is to many.
>>732212558> OwlcatYes> Warhorse, Larian, CDPRNo.It's the same woke shit as obsidian.All these companies make the same shitty games and they don't flop only because of marketing and inertia from their previous works, just like it happened with Outer Worlds 1Balls hurt gay 3 is woke as fuck, has the same terrible writing, has the awfully simplistic combat and is linear as fuck.Owlcats are the only one who managed to produce some decent CRPG in recent years besides Underrail
>bought silly little survival slop about killing bugs in early access 6 years ago. >mfw its now the face of obsidianI just love shrinking stuff as a setting, it's really under utilized. Though I doubt grounded 2 will hold up to the first game. I bought it anyways, haven't played it since summer though, since it couldn't even maintain 60 fps on my 4070
>>732206907Never going to play OW2 but did they have a sequel bait ending?
>>732210001and you can also just cut gale's pozzed hand off and toss him back in the portal
>>732210618he's a bottom gay who feeds on rats
>[TWITTERNIGGER NEWS] JEET DRIVELPlease die.
Outer World 2 seem fun, I just slow down my FOMO for my owned backlog this year. It's one of the games I want to get.
>>732255753u mad, queer?
>>732211179Is this the one with loli Athena?
>>732256006ye, it's pretty good, mythical asscreed, if it kept the toon style it would be excellenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egzb6_HCqQw
>>732256109Oh I didnt know that was supposed to be the same game. They should have kept the original.
>>732211179It's actually a fun game desuIt's total ubi style slop but it it is fun
>>732211179It's a fun game? What kind of retarded question is that?
>>732259427>>732257386nu /v/ does not play games, only post in kike culture war threads, very sadanons should pirate it if you don't want to give money to ubishite, but it's a good game
>>732211624It game out 6 months ago? And if you bought it in EA you get what you fucking deserve
>>732207568Asians have yet to release a single good game.
>>732220304Green dress and second fron left bottom row look breedable enough.
>>732237793It's a fantasy kitchen sink setting meant so the game isn't just a rule book, being interested in its 'lore' is equivalent to being a megafan of the white paint they use on houses. If you make your own for your campaigns the players will not notice the difference.You're also a giganto-faggotini
>make a game full of diverse characters>tell waifufags that might be interested in the game to fuck off and you cant romance anyone>retards that preorder get hit with a debuff they cant removewhat were they thinking
>>732254192RPGs, adventure, whimsy and romance go hand in hand. You don't need romance to make a good RPG, but having some opportunity for it if your game features choices and consequences is always welcome.
>>732209194I was desperate to like it but by the first hub I'd been bored to tears. Front-loaded with paragraph after paragraph of the dullest lore I'd ever been subjected to. Lore is only interesting once you're invested in the world.
>>732209408>>sell like hotcakeslol
>>732208706Depends how you define successful. The genre in general has always been niche. BG3 is the only mainstream success in the entire genre.
>>732260576goddamn you have shit taste
>>732208776Genuinely such a strange decision.I think all their employees are so old now that any kind of sexual or romatic desire is long dead within them.
>>732227887Tim has learned how to hang around with minimum funding by just giving enough to the publisher to warrant their existence without spending millions he has to justify.
>>732241397>DS9Damn, what a pull. You are correct and even Star Trek fans, that are all about the future being super inclusive to everybody, were shitting on that episode and I think I listened to someone explaining that all the changes they made for the wheelchair guy in that episode don't appear in any other future episode, so even in-universe they were like "fuck that shit."
>>732208107>better than X and what X should have beenStopped reading.I bet your post contains some form of "It was just OKAY"go back
Why would I want to suffer sawyer-packs "we are far too mature, artsy and highbrow for icky stuff that people enjoy like romance!", nevermind pay those gay commiefornia wokies for anything?If you want sales, write for the audience not for your ego
>>732208745i didn't because it had DLC and pre-order exclusivesi did buy KotOR II and Alpha Protocol, thoughand IWD2, don't know if that counts
>>732216876InXile lost any good faith I had for them with Wasteland 3. Fuckers want to be Obsidian so bad.
>>732266356i kind of agree with Sawyer on that oneand i really, really like his type of autistic "everything has to make sense in-world" worldbuilingtoo bad he let middle aged SJW cat moms run rampant and compromise that part of Obsidian gamesPoE 2's plot and world building was already a travesty in that regard
>>732236441It's less generic than other IPs that are clearly just Forgotten Realms with different names. At least PoE puts the setting into early modern era times and in Deadfire you get to go to not!Polynesia.
>>732206907Waiting for a sale to get OW2
3 games in 1 year? gamers can't handle that. especially in the age were releases are fewer and further inbetween.
>>732266356Sawyer draws from alot of good sources, especially the works of Umberto Eco, on ideas of semiotics as a central focus for worldbuilding. He's a perfect fit for designing and writing for RPGs but it feels like he hasn't really gotten his magnum opus out yet, though there is an argument there that it's Pentiment rather than the many other RPGs he's had a hand in.
>>732266768>It's less genericThings become 'generic' because they work.Trying to be different just for difference sake seldom ends up interesting for the consumer and more often as performative act of attention whoring.Especially when you desperately try to stuff too much of it into one project.
>>732208474>>732213646just make less expensive games
>>732254360>pathfinder wotr wizardare they that strong ? I made an inquisitor vampire because it sounded funny but maybe I should try the bloodmage exclusive vampire class
>>732267030Except PoE is genuinely a unique attempt on the Infinity Engine games. It's not only made number-crunching down to almost Dragon Age Origins level but also have many implementations that people technically have asked for in cRPGs. The problem here is that they neither have the scope, funding or even "luridness" that other studios like Larian or Owlcat do that has grabbed people. They very much don't lean into things like waifufaggotry/husbandofaggotry which is odd for an RPG developer, hence most of their characters seem flat and stale.
>>732211530people play games for the cool characters
their devs actively try to make their games fail
>>732267280More flavor than powergrab in that racial class as I recall. Sorc with a nice BL, Arcanist or one of the more common wiz variants is likely better. Or maybe Blood-kineticist if they ever fixed that shit
>>732267404Also this. Too many developers in the RPG scene are infected with these types and it bleeds into the thematic and narratives of the work. Like clearly I am supposed to think like this guy as I traverse the game because he made the game to affirm his politics.
>>732267471Noting it down, thanks. I feel like the inquisitor is more like a support/dps class, am I wrong on that ?
>>732210197they want to preach their message.
>>732206907I'll meditate on it Ohmmm
>>732206907how do I filter [SAD/GOOD NEWS] posts from ever appearing on v?
>>732260576Bioware fucking destroyed your brain on RPGs. No, it doesn't intrinsically need romantic companions that behave like they're in a nukige.
>>732206907>release big budget game on a service you can get for one dollar>wtf why didnt it sellthese companies are ran by retards
>>732210002they don't realize the people that made the games they love left the studio a long time ago. they see a recognizable name and think it's the same as old.
>>732222349Japan completely squared that off into its own thing as it does not bleed into most mainstream work and if some rogue people try to, they stamp it down. They pretty much got down the "aesthetics first" mode of thinking the West have been trying to subvert for decades. That kind of thing is incompatible in the West and would actually get people to "organize" and march on the streets for.
>>732210197Investors were convinced that activist-progressive politics nets them more money. The 2020s are challenging that notion with massive layoffs and customer dissatisfaction that "couldn't" possibly be about pushing hard on identity politics.
>>732266356To me it's the higher level of retardation to keep presenting players with ever shittier tumblr oc companions and then going>No, you can't romance these!as though they created new fan favorites, rather than characters no one even bothers to remember the names of.
>>732218043can you tell me what could possibly obsidian create to play it "safer" than outer worlds 2 and awoved already were?
Pillars of Eternity solved powergaming by making sure that when you optimize your characters, the power gap isn't really all that high compared to just playing it normally. I think this is where alot of people who just want to one-shot and see things explode really get put off since they can't really meta-build and post webms of them obliterating a level-appropriate encounter in less than five seconds.
>>732267594>No, it doesn't intrinsically need romantic companionsThat's exactly what I said though...
>>732267875The problem with cosmically shit ideas is that you can't figure out why they're wrong without having some better ideas first.The corpos have decided that you can convince anyone to buy anything, and only secondarily that selling progressivism would be good, so the progressivism can simply fail on its own without the initial idea being challenged.
>>732267317It was just too much "But WE do it differently here" than should be stirred into one pot.The oddball classes, the insisting on RtwP, the "our NPCs are written le different" but yet felt entirely fucking predictable, the ded gods and hallowborn shit, the watcher power, the "on the verge of a renaissance" setting.It just felt tryhard and frankly boring when all mashed together. Use like two of the above differences to the "generic" RPG fantasy, and it may worked out.But trying to do all of it at once? That just made me think "WTF is this shit, and how am I supposed to find this sorry mashup interesting or engaging?" Just being unique simply doesn't replace quality or results in fun.
>>732268095which is one of the biggest flaws of PoE. the whole point of roleplaying games is being given mechanical system that you are free to play with and break to get strong. sawyer's approach is to autistically balance any fun out it, except he doesn't even have the excuse that it's competitive multiplayer. it's a singleplayer rpg.
>>732268431Even one of the most beloved RPG combat-build-autism simulators /v/ loves (Underrail) had Styg nerf Psionics. It's clear that you at least need to at least reach some form of parity with each build variety.
>>732206907>How do you save Obsidian, /v/?By putting it out of its misery.
>>732206907Problem is obsidian is just outdated, their games don't have a single hot white girl/guy companion that's romanceable, what's the use case for playing them? People play RPGs for romances, duh, so why would anyone buy their games? I think obsidian needs to be more retrospective, sit down, take a deep breath, and acknowledge that it's over. There is no coming back from all these flops. It's all gonna go downhill and even worse somehow from here onwards. It's time to either disband the studio and fire everyone, or it's time to move on to a different genre like making candy crush clones.
>>732267875It doesn't help when you have discord servesr or forums full of bootlicking yes-man telling you how awesome that all is, and how every disagreeing voice is just a conservative, hater and&or ebil gnazi who tries stop 'progress' and must vocally drowned out or banned. Especially deadly for devs when half of those yes-man become curiously absent when it is time to buy what they have praised before.
>>732208632And so they will
>>732268570without defending it, there's a big difference between over time nerfing aspect of the game that is full of breakable stuff already, and being sawyer and creating the mechanical systems with "no fun allowed" philosophy from the get go. nobody will ever want to replay poe (let's imagine a world where someone would actually want to replay it in the first place) because they want to experiment with different class or build. meanwhile, many rpgs are replayed precisely for that reason. and since RPG replayability comes from either mechanical depth or narrative choices and consequences (best RPGs usually have both), obsidian approach removes half of the genre's potential right from the bat
>>732267594You do not STRICTLY need romance, and when devs add them they should be written and story integrated a damn load better than many RPGs bother to do. Same things could be said about companion interactions with each other btw.But I can tell you that the writer will have a much much harder job to make me in any way CARE about the characters, or make them memorable and talked about by fans without having romances and interactions.Its foolish and makes a dev's work harder to leave such routes to player engagement out.And its downright dumbfuckery to advertise it likes it is some achievement to not add it.
>>732206907Let it die, let it dieLet it shrivel up and die
>>732206907Make a game that is a game first and not just a halfassed political opinion piece
>>732269103In a game where your stats modify every spell and ability, it gets broken really fast. Like it isn't just a higher check or score, everything scales with your main attributes hence there is only one (1) damage attribute (via Might) for all types of damage or like how Intellect governs how large your AoE (quadratically) and duration of abilities/spells you use. You can see how absolutely broken that would be since it infinitely scales so it had to be parsed down to a more leveled parity.
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>>732208107Yeah I had a total blast playing it too anon. Can't see what all the criticism is all about ;)
They're admitting it sold badly, but the Steam forums were constantly doing victory laps at how well it sold.Citing shill articles like this:https://archive.ph/sYyNk
>>732227141I'm more so the guy saying pluck your damn weeds instead of whining about them like a faggot.
>>732206907So how come all the people spamming here about how the game will dunk on dem /pol/tards didn't buy it?
>>732206907Maybe stop insulting the people you try to sell stuff to?
>>732206907Sawyer is their only good dev. He shipped Pentiment in Nov 2022 and has done dick all since except travel. He just came back from Asia for about two weeks before jetting off to Europe again
Why can't Americans make good games anymore?
>>732209691They're really adamant on 'no romance' policy huh?
>>732206907
>>732270174And it has noticeably become their loss, but devs everywhere seem quite resistant to learning from mistakes nowdays, so I fully expect they will double down even harder.But at least it will Finks money pissed against the wind, not mine.
>>732207481there was nothing interesting about avowed trailer to me if anything showing off the magic just set my eyes to glaze over
>>732272010If that anon is referring to the very first trailer (which was a very long time ago), then it looked completely different from how it turned out. I believe it got a soft reboot, similar to what happened to Dragon Age Veilguard during production.
>>732207412>writing greentext like its a tiktok memeI hate this place so much
>>732269504That all they can make
have they tried making a good game that wasn't leftist propaganda since NV and Alpha Protocol?
>>732254192That's from an old satire magazine, you drooling retard.
>>732260394>>retards that preorder get hit with a debuff they cant removeYou're dumb.
>>732216876InXilepower gapeverything elsepower gapBethesdaObsidianand InXile isn't even good, just passable and not overly political. The absolute fucking state.
>>732209781Not possible
>>732267585[SAD NEWS] Anon can't figure out simple things.
>>732267609You are the retard if you don't inherently know that they thought about that in advance and that it was part of their expectations. Never have an opinion again!
>>732208776https://www.nexusmods.com/theouterworlds/mods/43You can thank me later.
>>732273291I laughed.
>>732272697how do you even know what a tiktok meme is like
>>732275873Now that's a good question.Anyway, bump limit reached!
>>732266161Star Trek Academy has people wearing glassesAlso one of the students is a fat hologram with a learning disability. It's great.
>>732276020*Starfleet
