Why video games have this type of writing now?
What a shit thread.
>>732214084The LOTR movies started it.
>>732214163The still only counts as one
Most anime is literally this, but you aint ready for that convo...
>>732214273they still do it better than "Ooof that just happened!"
>>732214084Because late gen x is terrified of being made fun of or being vulnerable. They wrap themselves up in irony to protect their oversized egos. If nothing matters, then it doesn’t matter when you poke holes in my plot or tell me my characters are retarded.
>>732214084Writing as a skill set has been devalued over the ages as less and less people read. Even if you didn't have formal education in the past, people who wrote video games were at least hobby writers who knew what made good writing. These days most writers are complete amateurs who turn out derivative work based on their experience with other games and movies. Joss Whedon happened to be popular when they were "learning"
There are plenty of western games released with non-ironic writing.
Because it's a lazy substitute for managing tone. And the industry loves lazy substitutes.>>732214163Pretty shit take, even in a place that's notorious for shit takes.
tvtropes and its legacy has been a disaster for nerd culture
>>732214163Truke, rewatching LOTR and realizing how much quips there are is disgusting
>>732214939No meme, how is this tvtropes fault?
>>732214084Because being sincere or genuine is seen as lame or cringey if what you’re really into is frowned upon in some way, or just in general.
>>732214163two towers was pretty embarassing in this regardhelm's deep was ruinedthey turned gimly into a comic relief character
>>732214084It's especially noticeable in vidya, film or even TV that is meant to be grim dark, yet the writers always bluff out from actually showing fucked up elements within their respective works. If you want to be Edgelordy be completely sincere about it or don't even bother trying.
>>732214976Try watching a movie from the '50s. Instead of 5% quips, the dialogue is 100% quips.
>>732214084you dumb brown ESL
>>732214392Eeeeeeh!?
>>732214163Are you fucking retarded? Quips in action movies have been a staple since the 80s, and existed before that.
>>732214084>Why video games have this type of writing now?Marvel movies made 100 billion dollars world wide.
>>732215161LMAO
Kind of funny how it's nihilistic gore spammers that are against this quote
>>732214273The difference is that anime doesn't do it in a sarcastic snarky way. If a character in an anime does something unrealistic or socially unacceptable such as flipping a table over in reaction to something, they'll add a "(They apologized and cleaned up after)" blurb. In western media they do a snarky Family Guy skit where the characters explain what the trope is and point out how weird it is for it to happen in real life. They pretty much just lean in to give the audience a wink and say "See? We know you've seen this trope before. You're so media literate, we'd never insult your intelligence by playing a trope straight like that!"
>>732214163i like how lotr is literally the most pozzed movie by todays standards but everyone fellates it because its le based (despite the fact that tolkien loved jews and hate nazis)>the whole plot is an allegory for nazis being evil orcs trying to destroy united races>the only way to defeat evil nazis is to have all races unite and be as one>subversion, the white man aragorn is a loser running away from his duty, and he can only become strong once he's supported by other races and rules for them, and the most important characters are effeminate yaoi manlets who cant fight>so full of whedon quips it started some of the first big memes like one does not simply evade, or you shall not pass, etcbut its le based and trad and nazis love it and sheit
>>732215001I guess you're too young to remember the generation of pretentious hipster faggots who would tare down anything on the basis of "trope = lazy writing" so they could look smart and sophisticated. Because of this TVtropes has a section on it's front page dedicated to explaining how tropes are normal parts of writing and that their articles are not meant to be snarky criticism.
>>732217919>Because of this TVtropes has a section on it's front page dedicated to explaining how tropes are normal parts of writing and that their articles are not meant to be snarky criticism.Huh. I guess I never saw that. I only browsed the website when it got popular in like 2010/2011 and didn't really ever go back. I thought the point of the website was just 'haha look at these overused tropes' and the occasional 'look at this subversion of a trope that's kinda cool.' I didn't know it got turned into a defense mechanism for bad writing
>>732217207Why are there so many posts on /v/ implying that I should think neo-nazis are cool and that I should be offended if a story implies that racism and oppression are bad things?
>>732218305>I thought the point of the website was just 'haha look at these overused tropes'That was specifically the problem. Pretentious faggots were quoting the site while they larp as the Nostalgia Critic and call everything shit because they could recognize patterns of basic story structure. These people kept pushing the idea that having any tropes is bad and that subverting tropes makes you a genius author.
>>732217207Did you even tryWhy are you even posting here
>>732214084You posted the main culprit.
Gen X are obsessed with quips, they can hardly go a sentence without using them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PbQuKjjobk
>>732218318Because it's bait.
>>732219265gen z too
Writers in general have lost the ability to write dark comedy, where both macabre and dark humor are present without contradictions. Books like Catch 22 and The Good Soldier Svejk were perfect examples of wacky adventures in dystopian meat grinders.
>>732215368Dark drama, tension, and tragedy are the most fertile soils for aspirational stories. It showcases the fortitude of our heroes when they power through such horrible events, and it provides ample opportunity for impactful dilemmas and conflict that audiences will remember for decades to come.At its core, nihilism is an aversion towards seriously wrestling with hard questions, struggle, and responsibility.>Who cares if my beautiful hometown has turned into a cesspit of crime and homelessness? Why would I spend my life in fear and pain confronting all of these dangerous people when I can just join my vapid idiot friends in yelling some platitudes about how it's not their fault for social brownie points and hope that the dangerous people don't pay attention to me? We're all just ants on a tiny blue planet that's barely a speck in the universe, my neighborhood is a speck on this speck, and we'll all be dead soon.A nihilistic would rather laugh at a meaningless story where the tension is never allowed to get tighter than a handshake from a homosexual than think about the heroism of our very human protagonist who wasn't invincible (as none of us are) but was still the light in the darkness. You can't have the latter if things aren't allowed to get dark.I'm not saying that there's no space for MCU-style storytelling or even that it's inherently nihilistic to write that kind of story (we all need restful "turn your brain off" entertainment when we're exhausted), but it actually is pretty nihilistic to insist that unserious stories should be the standard template.
>>732219265I don't think it's appropriate to use social media grifters as an example of human behavior. They are actors playing a character and their content is attempting to exploit recommendation algorithms and boost SEO. I'm sure some of it is genuine and I'm aware how the ubiquitous nature of this kind of content leads to it leaking into modern culture, but it's still hyperbole.
>>732220560it's a form of tension and tone management, and the current crop of writers are by and large awful at managing the tension and tone of their stories.you also rarely ever see a moment like in the Spongebob Squarpants Movie where the characters well and truly feel endangered, because so many writers decide to immediately undercut the tension instead of letting the moment marinate for a bit.
just ban Americans from making games
>>732214084Personally? I enjoy 'running' gags
>>732214084>so... that happened
