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>>732216890
Nice

The Big Tree is dying, or something.

Whenever I fight Beast Clergyman, the game stutters near the start of the fight when he does his rock stuff for the first time and I don’t know why. The game runs at a perfect 60 on max settings elsewhere and doesn’t struggle against more resource intensive attacks like dragon lightning stuff.

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>>732216890
What are you actually confused about, though?

>>732217116
The game suffered from unplayable lag as soon as you leave the starting cave and encounter the first Tree Sentinel. There's a "reason", but no one's ever going to know what it is. They just don't understand their own API and push the games out without proper playtesting.

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>>732217307
Why is there a giant city underground in a giant empty cavern with exactly 2 magical elevators with no apparent means of being powered.

We tried having a discussion about this with Elden Ring fans before. It made no sense for 5 different reasons, it goes beyond the domain of fantasy writing and just makes no sense in general.

Something extremely powerful moved a giant city underground. All of it. They took Bikini Bottom and moved it somewhere else. The streetlights, the plumbing, the postal service, all of the shrubbery and some guy that happened to be staying with family.
It's unclear whether there was a giant empty cavern there before or whether god also moved unfathomable amounts of earth and put it somewhere else.
If the giant cavern was there before, it's unclear whether it was directly under the city by pure coincidence. Or whether god moved it from somewhere else.

The thing that really does me in is that there are 2 magical floating Crash Bandicoot platforms that lets anyone leave for any reason at any point.
Who is powering them. Why.
How is whoever banished the lost city of Atlantis not mad about this. If they do care, why are they able to do this but not able to stop them making a fucking elevator.
They made exactly 2 of these elevators that can accommodate a maximum of 3 people all huddled together trying not to fall a thousand feet to their death.
You find them in the middle of the woods.

This is "Poochie went back to his home planet" levels of writing. Absolutely disgraceful.

>>732218084
There was a culture that lived underground.

>>732218084
A wizard did it.

>>732216890
I think the biggest issue in this game is that once your tarnished tips the balance of power theres no resurgence from the other candidates from the throne. They all wait on you to get there and fight them and only like 1 has an excuse of being too insane to lead his army anymore.
You basically blitz the fuck out of the rest of the demigods no matter how many times you die, with Rykard, Ranni, and Fia all relying on you siding with them to change anything, while the rest of the round table hold never show any sign of progress or effort.

>>732218431
You didn't fight Bernahl?

>>732218476
Not yet I don't think.

>>732218084
This is what we call "nitpicking"

>>732218084
>Why is there a giant city underground in a giant empty cavern with exactly 2 magical elevators with no apparent means of being powered.
The Eternal Cities angered the Greater Will, so he buried them all underground. One, the Grand Cloister, was so heretical that he sent an Astel to nuke it into oblivion.

The elevators are powered by magic. The Nox guard their cities, which are already ruined and dead. Like many soldiers, they merely guard what once was, not what could be.

>>732218084
Why cant they just dig into the ground using their giant ants
Then build a city down there
And jerk off over the stars enough to paint the ceiling of the cavern with starlight

Plenty a rocks ro build wiff
Ants for labor
Magic tech for floating elevators (they literally use bubble magic i think they know how to float)

>>732216890
What I find not very amazing is that you've been making seethe threads about the best game ever made twice a day for four years.
>the "lore" makes less sense than ever
It makes perfect sense. You are just stupid.
>They wrote a big complicated script (like Game of Thrones),
It's not that complicated at all. The basic plot is very straight forward. There are also hundreds of little world building mini stories scattered around to flesh out the setting and themes, all of which are themselves generally straight forward.

>>732218431
The only one in the Table that wants to become Lord is Gideon, the others have their own objectives.

>>732218536
>The Eternal Cities angered the Greater Will, so he buried them all underground.
That's what was said. We actually know this isn't the case because the cities are carved into the stone itself. People on the surface say, "the greater will did it", in the same way that people would blame disease and natural disasters on God in antiquity. What actually ended the Nox civilization was the creation of the silver tears, who killed and replaced their creators. Astel was also a random invading alien, as you find half a dozen of all over the country.

>>732218530
You literally cannot get more broad and general than this. I'm looking at this from a bird's eye view and saying that it makes no sense.

>>732218536
>The Eternal Cities angered the Greater Will, so he buried them all underground.
"God did it". Gotcha.

Apparently there is more than one and he did grab handfuls of earth miles and miles in diameter and threw it somewhere else.

>The elevators are powered by magic.
What is the source of this power?
Who is doing this and why?

Harry Potter is a thousand times more well written than this. Magic isn't something that just shows up whenever they have an idea and don't feel like thinking about how it makes sense.

>>732218935
>>732218959
totally

>>732218778
Do you wanna try to justify the elevators or do you just want to forfeit that and say it makes absolutely no sense

>>732218084
>Why is there a giant city underground in a giant empty cavern
Because the night folk like the dark
>with exactly 2 magical elevators with no apparent means of being powered.
They're MAGIC ELEVATORS, RETARD.
>Something extremely powerful moved a giant city underground. All of it.
No, it was built underground. Most of it is literally carved FROM the cave walls, and even the cave CEILING. Some tree fags say, "the greater will did it", because they are uneducated bumpkins, and blame any random phenomena on the will of God.

Of course, if the fucking CREATOR GOD OF THE UNIVERSE just wanted to snap his fingers and teleport a whole city into a cave intact, he could, because that's what divine magic does. The impossible.

You fundamentally do not understand fantasy or religion and should go back to overwatch.

>>732219080
You already lost

>>732219080
The elevator buildings look new and the magic is blue so it was probably the Carians. We know they are interested in the nox because they copied the silver tear alchemical technology when developing the albinaurics.

But let me ask you a question: how is it meaningful to the story who built a magic elevator leading to the siofra and ainsel rivers?

This is THE magnum opus game, nothing comes close.

>>732219080
Gravity magic is well established in the lore and the nox were mages on par with the carians

>>732216890
nothing in this game makes any sense

>>732219515
One of the towns over the nox cities even specialized in gravity magic.

>>732219115
>They're MAGIC ELEVATORS, RETARD.
Right like the reaction image from 2008 says, "It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit".

You say the word "magic" and literally anything and everything makes sense.

>No, it was built underground. Most of it is literally carved FROM the cave walls, and even the cave CEILING. Some tree fags say, "the greater will did it", because they are uneducated bumpkins, and blame any random phenomena on the will of God.
You're arguing with other Elden Ring fans. I'm literally just asking questions.

>You fundamentally do not understand fantasy or religion
Apparently not.
I thought I liked Lord of the Rings because world behaved consistently and had compelling writing despite having fantastical elements.

Why didn't someone build a magic Crash Bandicoot platform to lift themselves up to the top of the Erdtree? This is my final question

THere were gods, elevated from some cosmic shit
One of the god's children decided that it was gay because they were gods only as long as they aligned with the cosmic shit designs and killed another god
The goddest of god mommy decided to break the monolith and holiest representation of that pseudo religion because she felt sad and angry
Other gods fought for crumbs of the broken artifact

You arrive as a player

And I haven't seen shit on youtube lore

>>732219080
Using elevators as evidence for anything is monumentally retarded because no elevator in any of the Fromsoft series justifies its mechanism. You just step on a pressure plate and it goes. Even in long-dead cities.

>>732219591
>Why didn't someone build a magic Crash Bandicoot platform to lift themselves up to the top of the Erdtree? This is my final question
Fundamentalism allowed elevators because of the principles of causality and regression but the people that would make use of it could teleport.

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>>732218536
>The Eternal Cities angered the Greater Will, so he buried them all underground.
The Nox were chased into the underground and built their cities there on purpose.
One, the Grand Cloister, was so heretical that he sent an Astel to nuke it into oblivion.
Astel arrived much later, not necessarly because of the GW's anger.
>"God did it". Gotcha.
In a fantasy setting, that's an appropriate explanation (but it's likely wrong in this case).
>Apparently there is more than one and he did grab handfuls of earth miles and miles in diameter and threw it somewhere else.
Or they used digging magic and black hola magic (both present in the game) to do it themselves. Or, more likely, the caves were already there.
>What is the source of this power?
Astrology, as explained in the game.
>Who is doing this and why?
The inhabitants of the cities, so they can still sneak onto the surface.

>>732219362
>how is it meaningful to the story who built a magic elevator leading to the siofra and ainsel rivers?
This is like a writing exercise for a 3rd grader.

You think I'm exaggerating like a snobby nerd but no, I'm 100% serious. This is basic, basic writing that falls apart when you ask basic questions.

The magic elevator matters because there's an an unimaginably powerful god somewhere that tried to stop them from leaving and apparently was unable stop this from happening or he forgot about it.

It's a big, grand city that's a big deal but they built exactly 2 of these. They're not bi-directional and they move 3 miles an hour.

They're made for transporting people but they never thought it was worth building a guardrail. It's magic so people don't fall and slip.

There's a thousand ways to say that this makes no sense so I'm not going to waste my breath. You can consult a game called "Dark Souls" if you want to study some fascinating writing where people have magic powers but the environment design also makes sense on a basic level.

>>732219591
>Right like the reaction image from 2008 says, "It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit".
This but unironically. They're magic elevators that exist to transport the player from one area to another, and they're long to make the player feel the scale of the game. It was clearly a successful decision, because many talk about the Siofra river elevator as one of the earliest "wow' moments of Elden Ring, and most people simply accept it for what it is without interrogating how believable it is in-universe. It's believable enough.

If you want an example of a truly lazy transition that strains the player's credulity and immersion, you should refer to the waygate that sends the player to the Haligtree. That thing doesn't feel like a conscious, stylistic decision, it feels like the result of FromSoft running out of time to add a proper transition between the snowfield and Haligtree. Imagine how cool it would have been if you, for example, stepped inside a sort of cable car and proceeded to ride down toward the Haligtree, concealed in the ocean mist. Imagine emerging on the other side of the mist and seeing this hulking monument to Miquella's failed amibitions looming before you. Instead you just teleport there.

Fun fact, the elevator isn't some sort of disguised loading screen. You actually ARE traveling the full length of a giant shaft bored into the earth. I was fucking around with the free camera mod the other day and it's actually insane how much of the game world is rendered at any given time. Some of those giant, walking temples with the bells are rendered from what must be thousands of feet away, they're just inactive and floating in the void.

>>732220027
Greater Will innit?

>>732219992
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DS2 made an underground city actually feel mysterious and hidden, like you're discovering something long forgotten. Then in ER you take a comfy elevator ride in the middle of the woods like some tourist.

>>732219454
RDR2 and E33 mog this piece of shit

>>732219591
>Right like the reaction image from 2008 says, "It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit".
Yeah. The image wasn't ironic. It's magic. It only has limitations or costs as needed to serve a narrative purpose.
>I thought I liked Lord of the Rings because world behaved consistently
In the first book, Aragorn scares off FOUR NAZGUL with a TORCH. They almost immediately find a guy who is immune to the ring without explanation and decide not to pursue his help, also for no reason. Sam kills a cosmic abomination with a sword made to kill orcs and a flashlight. Everyone in the world accepts Aragorn's identity and noble lineage without proof. Gollum killed himself on accident by inexplicably being retarded at the edge of an active volcano because God put his thumb on the scale of fate. If you can swallow all of that, you can handle bits of ambiguity in elden ring.
>Why didn't someone build a magic Crash Bandicoot platform to lift themselves up to the top of the Erdtree?
1. There's nothing in the erdtree canopy
2. The golden order would fucking kill you if you tried

>>732220196
Elden Ring did too

>>732219718
These games get more shonin-anime with every release, so a magic platform with no means of power probably doesn't seem like a big deal when the average boss is a 100 foot tall god that turns himself into a meteor.

You can go back to a game called Demons' Souls if you want an example of a game with magic at it where things have some kind of... uh... "consequence".

>>732220067
"The force".

I'm tempted to call this millennial writing. It could just be generally dumb. Doctor Strange has a magic sentient cape and he can see the future and make rain fall from the sky. How does any of this shit work? I don't know, but he has some fierce competition against Thanosbart that can open a portal to another dimension and throw a purple chi ball at you and reverse time.

>>732220027
>This is basic, basic writing
It's basic writing to understand that it could not possibly fucking matter less who built the elevators unless you had some neat narrative idea regarding who did it and why.
>The magic elevator matters because there's an an unimaginably powerful god somewhere that tried to stop them from leaving
There isn't. The greater will fucked off a billion years ago. The city was built underground from the start.
>but they built exactly 2 of these.
Four, actually. 5 if you count the one between Nokstella and Lake of Rot.
>They're not bi-directional
Yes they are. Exactly one of them is locked from the bottom and then becomes bidirectional.

>>732220258
Nuh-uh

>>732220520
Where'd you find that out though?

>>732220580
>It's basic writing to understand that it could not possibly fucking matter less who built the elevators unless you had some neat narrative idea regarding who did it and why.
This

It genuinely doesn't fucking matter, it's a gameplay contrivance that 99.9% of players will simply accept as perfectly natural within the context of a fantasy world where there are enormous superstructures and 100 ft. tall statues around every bend.

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>>732220242
>Yeah. The image wasn't ironic. It's magic. It only has limitations or costs as needed to serve a narrative purpose.
I'm really trying not to be impolite but Elden Ring isn't giving me much to work with

That guy was right when he said "I'm not really into fantasy". This just goes beyond the domain of fantasy, it's nonsensical, lazy writing with self-contradictions. You are insulting every fantasy writer when you say that "he has magic powers" is as deep as fantasy writing goes.

>In the first book, Aragorn scares off FOUR NAZGUL with a TORCH. They almost immediately find a guy who is immune to the ring without explanation and decide not to pursue his help, also for no reason. Sam kills a cosmic abomination with a sword made to kill orcs and a flashlight. Everyone in the world accepts Aragorn's identity and noble lineage without proof. Gollum killed himself on accident by inexplicably being retarded at the edge of an active volcano because God put his thumb on the scale of fate. If you can swallow all of that, you can handle bits of ambiguity in elden ring.
i swear to god if you ever compare elden shart to lord of the rings again

I'm gonna give you all of this without even parsing it and I'm going to maintain that there's a thousand times more "writing" that's worth your time that isn't even in the movies with a 10 hour runtime.

>>732220196
>DS2 made an underground city actually feel mysterious and hidden,
Ahh, yes. The not-at-all-touristy "door after a boss room (locked until you get an arbitrary key) that leads to a teleporter that leads to another door (locked until you pay $14.99 or buy the Season Pass."
Very mysterious and hidden.

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>>732220874
Thats terrible. Hope it gets better for ya!

>>732220520
>You can go back to a game called Demons' Souls if you want an example of a game with magic at it where things have some kind of... uh... "consequence".
The Nox got terminatored by their creations
The Lucarians are all turning into rocks.
The practitioners of flame have to injure themselves to use magic.
Adherents of the scarlet rot are enthralled and physically decay.
Disciples of the formless mother are driven mad with rage and misanthropy.
Those who know the secrets of chaos are engulfed by nihilistic despair and threaten to destroy all of creation.
The hornsent were genocided by the last of a race they wiped out in rituals to try to cultivate their own divinity.
The golden order consumes itself in purity spiraling to try to appeal to an autist "god" in a tree that doesn't care about them and a cosmic creator god who doesn't even know they exist.

But none of that matters because there isn't an item description that explains who built a FUCKING ELEVATOR

>>732220580
I think Borderlands legitimately makes more sense than this game.

They have a magic teleportation machine that reconstructs every atom in your body but they also have construction sites and vehicles and companies that produce products. When I ask how a bunch of people got onto an alien planet the answer isn't that a Siren got pissed and teleported them there.

>bro this is so stupid, why does this giant bird just arbitrarily hang out at the game's hub and magically know to pick me up and fly me to the tutorial area, this makes no fucking sense, there's no way he'd do that for no reason

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>>732216890
The story is about deciding what to do with the Elden Ring in a broken world. You'd have to be a complete retard not to understand this.

>>732221130
I can't judge if any of this actually follows or makes sense. I'm still trying to get past god picking up Bikini Bottom and putting it in a cave

Try not to get too hung up on the word "elevator". It's not the word elevator, it's tools being used for a point of utility, the limitations of "magic powers", basic worldbuilding, self-contradicting statements and the motivations of the people that live in this world.

The thing that gets me is that the call mechanisms for those elevators aren't something like magical plates that start to glow when you step on them like the ones in Oolacile but plain old mechanical levers.

>>732220874
>You are insulting every fantasy writer when you say that "he has magic powers" is as deep as fantasy writing goes.
That's not what I said you fucking faggot. I said that it doesn't need an explanation if you don't have one that's narratively meaningful. Using LOTR as an example, we're told the history of Aragorn's sword Anduril, because it's relevant to the story, but not the origin of Sting, because its history is not.
>i swear to god if you ever compare elden shart to lord of the rings again
You'll do what? Shitpost more?

>>732221382
Oh, is that what it's about.

Sorry I tend to get lost in things like this. I tried to read The Magic Treehouse but I just couldn't make sense of how they're in the treehouse one minute and then are riding a pterodactyl.

This game seems to filter everyone that it should filter just like alchemy and fool's gold.

>>732221438
>I can't judge if any of this actually follows or makes sense.
Yeah obviously, because it's clear you haven't played the fucking game. Kill yourself.

>>732221498
>Sorry I tend to get lost in things like this.

At least you're honest.

>>732216890
Fromsoft has made it abundantly clear that they will never write a proper story. Closest we got in recent memory was the new armored core and Sekiro. Of the "souls" games the one that makes the most sense is Bloodborne because the concepts are all taken from Lovecraft and are very simple to follow. Tainted blood, aliens, ancient civilizations, etc, simple and to the point.

>>732221908
You didn't understand the story?

>>732221489
>Using LOTR as an example, we're told the history of Aragorn's sword Anduril, because it's relevant to the story, but not the origin of Sting, because its history is not.
Yeah sure I'll give you that.

The thing I won't give you is that Elden Ring and Lord of the Rings are now equivalent because somewhere in this enormous series of books there's something that makes no sense like the magic eagles.

I swear to fucking god fuck around and find out if you really want. If you legitimately compare elden turd and its stupid oblivion armor horse to this fantasy series the size of great britain with its own functional language

It really boils down to lazy writing, its not that deep

>>732221948
>because somewhere in this enormous series of books
It's fucking three books. And a prequel children's novel.
>If you legitimately compare elden turd and its stupid oblivion armor horse
What the fuck is that even supposed to mean? Are you some seething /lit/ faggot who's upset that Peter Jackson gave the riders of Rohirrim horse armor? Horse armor is REAL; it was used extensively in preindustrial European war! Tolkien only omitted it from his writing because he was imagining middle earth at a ~11th century tech level.

>>732221382
I dont know what the elden ring is and some magical jumbo about how it's important doesn't make any sense.

>>732222482
Physical manifestation of life itself.

>>732222482
I don't know, what are the Infinity Gems?

>>732218084
>who pumps the batmobile's tires?

>>732222679
Alfred

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OP here

This thread has been an absolute waste of time. I at least got what I needed out of it which is to have it confirmed that this game makes no sense and that its fans don't care.

The year is 2026, which is 10 years after the 2016 election and 20 years after being a nerd started being "quirky" and the normies in Pac Man have taken over everything that nerds ever used to hold dear.

Every mainstream piece of media is now a Marvel film. That's not a "bad thing" because there's not a wrong way to enjoy something, it's just... not for me.

Have a nice thread. I think I'll play Disco Elysium tonight.

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>>732222813
Hey, it's Gaben.

>>732222813
You'll get what anons are talking about once you start playing the game, the opening cutscene explains most of this.

>>732216890
You shazamtrannies are so fucking pathetic. I mean, really really sad to a degree that it's incomprehensible. I don't understand how a person can allow themselves to fall so fucking low.

>>732216890
Reading the thread this isn't your first Souls game, so you should know by now that lore is never going to have definitive answers.
>Miyazaki's storytelling is inspired by playing games he only half-understood due to the language barrier, making it mysterious and wanted to imitate that feeling
>Souls games are rife with cuts, rewrites, repurposed/moved assets, omissions due to time constraints, etc.

It's just more apparent in Elden Ring due to the scale of it and how many more item descriptions there are.

>>732219362
Why Elden Ring fans are retarded?

>>732222679
Alfred it's even said in the movies.

>>732222813
>brainlet retard who doesn't get elden ring is also a gay communist
Of course.

>>732223080
I don't know, what is the Philosopher's Stone?

>>732222813
Didn't read. What was Radagon's tax policy?

>>732223080
Give an argument or kill yourself.

>>732223165
Your life.

>>732220027
>The magic elevator matters because there's an an unimaginably powerful god somewhere that tried to stop them from leaving and apparently was unable stop this from happening or he forgot about it.
Quit making shit up

>>732223190
So does the elevator work for everyone or just you? Why would the tarnished be the only ones allowed?

So many things that don't make sense. Maybe they planned for it to make sense but the game just came out too quickly.

>>732223382
Or maybe it's a fucking video game and they didn't think they needed to explain it for the benefit of autistic retards like OP

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>>732218084
The cities were brought thete through Eternal Darkness, the game even says that and Astel opens the same portal.
They were banished underground under a false sky as punishment, and created the Moon with their sacrifice, to bring guidance to the dwellers.

Also the Greater Will left the Lands Between a long ago.

>>732223382
>So does the elevator work for everyone or just you?
Everyone. Blaidd uses one. Play the game, faggot.

>>732223460
Sadly no, they simply walked underground then made a city there.

>>732223270
He said it. Can you guys at least read the posts you're replying to? We've proven that you're capable of reading a 10,000 word long Wikipedia entry.
The wizard tried to banish the city but forgot that anyone can take a taxi to it. This one sentence is all you need to say that the writing is sloppy.

>>732223074
>>Souls games are rife with cuts, rewrites, repurposed/moved assets, omissions due to time constraints, etc.
False
>>Miyazaki's storytelling is inspired by playing games he only half-understood due to the language barrier, making it mysterious and wanted to imitate that feeling
Also false

>>732223460
All Astel did was destroy the nameless city under Leyendell and steal its "sky", the glittering stones that cover its walls and shed shiny dust in the air. The cities were built underground

>>732218084
>>732223514
why do you keep referring to yourself as "we"

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>>732223506
No they didn't, you can actually see the sun dials that would have been used and are not repurposed as moonlight altars.
It also has the Leyndell architecture because they were all connected to a singular Eternal City, always referred as such.
The towns were pieces of Leyndell that were absorbed into the Eternal Darkness, and you can see the debris and pieces of buildings left under the city.

I get that understanding Elden Ring requires high IQ, but this is the most basic lore elements and it's quite explicit.

>>732223442
We've gone a long way backwards. The Last of Us came out in 2013 and it's where people started saying that "a fucking video game" was no longer just a surface level stimulation.

I though it happened far before that. There were games in the 90s like Fallout that were fully capable of creating a fun experience and also writing a world full of people that acted like human beings.

You guys say this so flippantly and it's where it really becomes obvious that the average Elden Ring fan has an age of 17 and has no idea what Dark Souls is. This is a sick new blockbuster title with cool weapons and sick particle effects and apparently not a story with no plot where a lone adventurer wanders around a dead civilization.

>>732223514
>The wizard tried to banish the city
This didn't happen.

>>732223648
He literally said "I'm leaving, have a nice thread"

Can you stop wasting digital real estate with this Shazam crap where you claim that it's one guy. It's a joke half the time and a serious argument whenever you can't argue with something.

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>>732223514
The point isn't "banishing the city" and physically locking away people. The point is banishing the people under a false sky, meaning their Fate is tied to the skies underground where they dwell. This is very important because the dwellers of the Eternal City received no guidance from the Stars from that point onward, and had to generate their own Divinity through sacrifices that merged people into the Three Moon of the Eternal Cities. This is metaphysical but very pivotal and important to the plot, just like the band of mercenaries that were forced to burn their own and had their Fate tied to Ghostflame. Trust me , you are nowhere as smart as you think you are, you are actually quite lazy and low IQ

>>732223813
>you can actually see the sun dials
>doesn't post a picture of a sun dial
Typical falseflag schizo nonsense

>>732223873
>The Last of Us came out in 2013
Fucking hell, you have to be taking the piss
>the average Elden Ring fan has an age of 17 and has no idea what Dark Souls is.
Elden Ring is better written and more fleshed out than dark souls. Literally the first thing that happens in DS1 is a friendly character throwing a fucking corpse at you because From couldn't be bothered to program another way for you to pick up the key he wanted to give you.

>>732224130
Where does this guy that's 200 feet tall live. Can things this big even survive or does he have magic bones.

These are the kind of astute observations I make as someone with an IQ of 87.

>>732224396
Funny thing is, the answer to
>Can things this big even survive
Is "no, lol"

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>>732223619
No it didn't. What Astel dis is very similar to what Radahn did. Astel stooe the Fate of the Nox and tied it to a false sky. This is achieved through manipulation of gravity and portal.

There's a reason the Eternal Ciries faction want a Lord able to bring forth the Age of Stars. They want their fate connected to the Stars like it was before their banishment. They want it to the point ancient sorcerers imbued their souls into glintstones.

Similarly, Radahn takes control of his own Fate through gravitational power, which is the force behind how the celestial bodies affect the Fate of the people of the Lands Between, thus defeating it. This is what Radahn being Starscourge means, and why Astel is himself a "Star of Darkness". But understanding the concept of Fate and what it actually entails in Elden Ring is key to understanding the actual game lore.

>>732224387
Elden Ring fans are lower IQ than Call Of Duty

>>732216890
They've been doing it that from day one, anon.

The gameplay is the same shit.
Spamming i-frame rolls and light attack was never good combat but retards sure managed to convince everyone that it is.
From games were always extremely outdated and low quality, it just became a trend to glaze them because Dark Souls came out at the peak of the moviegame trend and everyone was tired of that shit. So a real (albeit shitty) game came along, and everyone convinced themselves it was amazing because they're used to eating shit.

Notice how Demon's Souls, or better yet, From's older games, all sucked balls and never achieved anything beyond very niche fandoms?
It's not a coincidence.

>>732223813
They did actually.

>>732218084
I love when retards like this ask questions that they think are really scathing, but prove that they paid zero attention.
Elden Ring has some fucking issues, especially going into the DLC, but none of your shit applies

>>732223873
>every game should be like the last of us
jesus

>>732216890
Nah, everything clicks together nicely once you get into it. Of course, playing normally, there's no possible way you'd "get" any of it. Like you'd need to have a notepad out, drawing, drawing conclusions.
Just play as a power hungry asshole and have some fun.

>>732224505
Fate isn't real. Radahn was using his gravity powers to literally physically repel asteroids in order to protect the land and prevent alien incursion. This is directly demonstrated in the cutscene which follows his death. Astel ravaged one of the eternal cities and stole its treasures because it is an evil greedy alien (and a parallel to the Lucarian sorcerers). The Nox were wiped out by the silver tears.

>>732224740
The last of us's story is also defined by a moral quandry which relies on the author's completely nonsense understanding of biology and medicine.

>>732224130
I love Elden Ring but anon, and memorizing this vague, borderline gibberish trivia some writers came up with, which then barely made it into the actual game, does not make you smarter than people who call it out as half-baked and poorly presented.

>>732224891
>Radahn was using his gravity powers to literally physically repel asteroids in order to protect the land and prevent alien incursion.
Then why are there fresh meteor impact with Meteoric Beasts within?

>>732225014
ugh, I butchered my post in editing. just ignore it.

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>>732224396
It's a maiden that became that big by receiving sacrifices of the corpses around it, to then leave that body vessel and become the Moon. This kind of asceticismvis the same that generates Mending Runes and how Rauh and the Hornsent could carve the sprites out of their bodies
>>732224891
>Fate isn't real.
Yes it absolutely is, you are trying to apply mundane logic to dumb the esoteric and elaborate story down and try to explain it that way, which won't work.
>>732224619
No they didn't, you can see

>>732224610
Demon's Souls was popular enough to go from being a Japan-only release to getting localized by Atlus and getting a Greatest Hits re-release, what are you talking about?

>>732225089
you'll get what anons are talking about once you play the game.

>>732225014
I don't know, what is the One Ring?

>>732224130
>The point is banishing the people under a false sky, meaning their Fate is tied to the skies underground where they dwell. This is very important because the dwellers of the Eternal City received no guidance from the Stars from that point onward, and had to generate their own Divinity through sacrifices that merged people into the Three Moon of the Eternal Cities.
Objection your honor: There's a magic floating elevator that anyone can use to come and go

This is why this gets a D and this is why I'm going to keep scratching my head. They built Hogwarts in the middle of Time's Square, it makes no sense why they would do this regardless of how many griffyn feathers and orphan tears it takes to make gollywoo potion that makes it invisible.

Some guy is going to have an interesting day when he's wandering through the middle of the woods and accidentally steps on a magic platform that takes him to Atlantis. No one ever thought to put a sign up.

>>732225194
the macguffin in Lord of the Rings.

>>732225194
A ring Sauron made using ringlore.

>>732225057
There are only 2 and they are far from Caelid. That said, From was a bit lazy, and should have only populated these after Radahn's death.
>>732225089
Fate Is Not Real. The idea it exists is a lie spun by the dark moon to trick adherents into rebellion against God and nature.

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>>732225014
>and memorizing this vague, borderline gibberish trivia some writers came up with, which then barely made it into the actual game,
Everything I said is written into the game and clearly explained.
If you are too dumb to pick up on it that's on you, and yes it makes you dumber than me. When the game says the Greater Will banished the Nox under a False Sky, that is literal and delves into the relationship between Nox, Fate and the Stars, which ties to many other lore elements of the metaphysics and mechanics of the game.

Just because understanding how the world works and the mechanics of Elden Ring takes some effort and thought, it doesn't mean you can handwave clearly written, deliberately delivered lore elements because it's easier to make up some mundane headcanon

>>732225382
>they are far from Caelid
So Radhan is just blocking Fate above Caelid? Why is this affecting Ranni and Sellen then?

>>732225247
>There's a magic floating elevator that anyone can use to come and go

All the Eternal Cities have no real way to get to them or out of them. Nokron is only accessible after the star crashes into Limgrave. Nokstella is only accessible from teleportation. The nameless eternal city is already destroyed and to even get it, you have to get passed Crucible Knights and Stone Guardians before you can even take singular stone coffin to it. The only other way to get there is once again, teleportation (passed Mohg the Omen in the Subterranean Shunning grounds).

>>732225717
It isn't. They think it does though. Most people believe made up stuff in universe.

>>732225519
>When the game says the Greater Will banished the Nox under a False Sky, that is literal
Wrong, it's some tree cult retards trying to explain something they don't understand. The greater will fucked off before the Nox existed. The cities were built underground, carved from the stone of the cave floor, walls, and cieling. Plus, if the sky of the eternal cities was "false", there would be no narrative impact to the fact that Astel stole one of them.

>>732225519
? no they don't. It's literally inconsistently written in the little secular statements we've been discussing.

>the Greater Will banished the Nox under a False Sky
No yeah that's extremely literal. It's obvious bro. It's not open to interpretation in a thousand different ways.

>>732225274
>>732225248
I don't know what the ring lore or macguffin is and some magical jumbo about how it's important doesn't make any sense.

>>732225897
okay

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>>732216890
>Xhe paid 70 USD
>To play hyped dogshit.

>>732225717
>So Radhan is just blocking Fate above Caelid?
Yeah. He started doing this when he was warned of an asteroid that would destroy Sellia
>Why is this affecting Ranni and Sellen then?
It's not

>>732225958
It's the best game of the decade at least, take your tiktok meme back to wherever you crawled out from, you literal teenager

>>732225958
I don't know, what is the Voynich Manuscript?

>>732225519
>If you are too dumb to pick up on it that's on you, and yes it makes you dumber than me. When the game says the Greater Will banished the Nox under a False Sky, that is literal and delves into the relationship between Nox, Fate and the Stars, which ties to many other lore elements of the metaphysics and mechanics of the game.

you are like a chick explaining astrology and then calling others stupid if they make fun of it. you think the reason other people don't know this nonsensical trivia is that they lack the ability to read or memorize it?? holy kek

>>732226137
What is astrology?

>>732226137
you probably thought this sounded good lol

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>>732226041
No yeah it's the game of the decade. You know because it sold gangbusters and because the video game press told you so.

This message brought to you by /v/. Whose population now appears to be 14 year olds and gamer moms that heard about 4chan during the election.

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>>732218084
For me it's Miquella the """""kind""""" being viewed as a savior in the eyes of the albinaurics. To reveal the path to the haligtree, Miquella with his godly knowledge placed latters leading to mandatory lanters, and plenty of obstacles for the physically handicapped. Shits hilarious

>>732226283
Based latter enjoying scholar

>>732226283
I don't know, what is the golden path?

Anons defeated him once again.

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>>732225247
See? You can't read and understand well because you think Elden Ring is mundane. and the game is filtering you hard. The point is not being physically locked away, the Underground Eternal Cities are not a prison. The point is having their Fate forcibly severed from the Sky, replaced by a False Sky.

This dictates their life, death and where their souls are bound to during those.

Fate is not about being anywhere, it's an inherent property of each individuals own spirits, that represents the principles of pull between things and pull of meaning. Astel robbed and binded their Fate to a false sky with gravitational powers. Them being moved underground is not the relevant part. In death, their spirit won't gp to the Stars, their soul won't turn back into the stardust that generated them. An important part of their cycle of Life and Death was broken.

Besides the underground mercenaries, another example of Fate is pic related. Most people don't know what this enemy ACTUALLY is. It's extremely weird to many how this enemy is in Farum Azula. But reading his internal name makes it clear. It is a Tree Guardian that was severed from the Crossed Tree. Tree Guardians (that are still alive for the Erdtree) are guardians of Minor Erdtrees that grow into huge spirits.

Wormfaces, of which there's a lot in Farum Azula for an importnat reason, are severed Tree Guardians who had their Fate broken and severed from their own Tree, which is why they expel deathblight. The worm is also a symbol of severance of Fate for the Hornsent as a result.
>>732225869
>>732225886
>>732226137
Wrong

>>732226684
it becomes easier with each thread.

>>732226721
This is baseless nonsense and you are false flagging against elden ring.

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>>732224891
>If I can't understand it it's not real
Nice headcanon pal

>>732226721
Those are wormfaces dummy

>>732226721
You're still focusing on the nebulous logistics of the magic and god and fate when I'm literally just questioning the motivations of the people

Gandalf is a pretty cool guy and he's really powerful and hard to understand but he still does things that make sense. He doesn't live in a tree, because he still needs a bed to sleep in and a place to store his stuff.

You know. Do you get it. There's all this complexity and fascinating discussion to be bad on top of a lack of basic logic that makes me go "u wot m8".

How about you enter and leave the city through tunnels built by the ants. That already sounds better written. They got sent to be secluded in a cave forever but giant ants allowed them to painstakingly create a way out. Instead of a magic elevator that takes you a thousand feet into the air and then also boroughs through a hundred feet of earth and takes you to a convenient platform in the middle of the woods.

>>732227193
Who is the first elden lord?

>>732227105
No, that is actually correct
Wormfaces are guardians severed from their Fate, "uprooted"
https://youtu.be/ksfCe4rUwMQ?si=bNFIAIgAcX9XFLp6

>>732227342
The Female one is also huge like the Eternal City skeletons

>>732225853
>>732225959
There is no evidence to say it doesn't affect them. In fact, their Fate (their quests) restart after Radhan is taken down. Ranni was unable to continue her plan and Sellen was invulnerable.

>>732227598
You still think fate is real there's no hope for you.

>>732225853
>>732225717
Source?
>>732227650
It is

>>732227748
You'll get what anons are talking about once you play the game.

>>732227239
Are you literally too stupid to understand basic english? Read again >>732226721

>>732227297
Oh not this retard again. We don't know, but the oldest one we know of is Placidusax.

>>732227342
Nothing in the gane supports it. It's baseless speculation.

>>732227905
what are you talking about?

>>732227193
This shit didn't even work. You go on this quest to turn Ranni into a fuck doll and it fails because FATE IS NOT REAL

>>732227953
The oldest Elden Lord we know of, Placidusax.

>>732228047
And what does that have to do with anything?

>>732228110
You asked...

>>732228236
You might be thinking of someone else. Dragons don't live in trees.

>>732227931
Yes the game supports it
>In accordance with an ancient pact with the Erdtree, it is said that their deaths lead not to destruction, but instead to renewed, eternal life as guardians.
Wormfaces are the only enemies that drop sacrificial twigs. It's pretty fucking clear that their are guardians severed from their Tree.

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>>732222679
Batman lore is actually quite detailed about these things

>>732228347
Sadly no.

>>732227894
Fans of Elden Ring are a fascinating thing. They give extremely simple and blunt sentence fragments half the time, and the other half of the time they give you War and Peace to explain why the strange, hamfisted writing is supposed to make sense.

"Bro it's a game lol". Just stop thinking so much.

Also, please consult this extremely dense essay with a rough guide to the history of 4-6th century mainland Faram Azula if you wish to understand why the lost city of Atlantis has a magic taxi that takes you directly to it.

This is unfalsifiable. I can't argue with this unless I play the game for about 400 hours to find out if it makes sense.
We have conflicting reports about whether the city got teleported underground or whether it was built there in this very thread. I really hope I don't get to the end of it and find out that it's just nebulous, sloppy writing and people are filling in the blanks.

>>732227931
Being so retarded that you will never understand and enjoy Elden Ring lore must be a terrible curse of his own

>>732228347
No, they're tree guardians infected with fucking death blight

>>732228425
>I really hope I don't get to the end of it and find out that it's just nebulous, sloppy writing and people are filling in the blanks.
Wait, you haven't played the game? Why do you care or know about all this?

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>>732227809
Sad how butthurt you are because retards like you and OP can't understand Elden Ring. If only you took some advises and actually paid attention or took hints, you wouldn't appear like a total retard in every single thread

Unfortunately Elden Ring is an elitarian masterpiece, you really, unironically, need high IQ to understand it and you could never

>>732228471
Most of the time its a jewish person pretending because of the subject matter the game deals with. They really are that petty and godless.

>>732228471
I do understand it. I have mastered it. Which is how I can dismiss schizo nonsense.

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>>732228617
You'll get over not understanding a video game in time. If a bunch of retarded anons like us can understand it perfectly you should be able to muddle thru it in a few years.

>>732228594
No they are not, they are severed from their Fate. Similarly, Godwyn is severed from the Golden Order due to his body being inbued with Death and produced Deathblight ONLY as a result of that, not the other way around. This explains why Deathblight existed before Godwyn and why Farum Azula, connected to their own Elden Ring and their own Tree, had many Wormfaces

>>732216890
I'll be honest, I really like it when shit makes little sense and you're left in the dark for 90% of it. I don't need big detailed explanations, only inference.

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>>732216890
None of you retards know what any of these games are about if not for those 10 hours lore essay videos on Youtube.

>>732228745
Sadly no. They are just avatars with deathblight. Ulcerated spirits are ones with burnt down tree.

If fate is real the aliens set up fate to kill them all and steal the ring from them. Use your brain.

>>732228754
trvth nvke
Rarely are explanations for mysteries satisfying, the fun is in wondering.

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>>732228264
You don't need the Erdtree to be Elden Lord.

>>732228906
No one mentioned the erdtree.

>>732228983
Yeah, so why say that dragons don't live in trees? Are you ChatGPT perhaps? Am i talking to a bot?

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>>732228597
I got to the big golden city and then just... stopped caring.
I hate to say it. It's a sad day when a new Dark Souls game is out and I don't play it because I simply do not care. The worst thing a came can ever do is bore me.
It looks a bigger Anor Londo so it must be TWICE as exciting but instead it just felt hollow and played out.

I refuse to believe that the people calling me "stupid" because I didn't pick up on the lore explaining the history of Zanzifam Bartzula. This is information picked up from item descriptions and hour long video essays from people that are invested in this kind of thing.
These games never really had a "plot" anyway. It was more a rough idea of the world and shared knowledge from other plays, but this is the kind of thing that's beyond explaining at this point.

>>732229040
what are you rambling about schizo?

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>>732228425
You need to play the game once and not be a complete retard, because the word "Fate" appears 40 fucking times in it, associated to quite important concepts of Death and Life. Only a total RETARD would actually feel smug and pretend he found some epic "gotcha" by pointing out the Underground Eternal Cities are NOT a prison and do not always lock people in or out.

Of all the things happening in there, the rituals to merge people, the creation of man-made divine hubris, the cloning experiments to create a fitting pseudo Elden Lord,.. somehow you only grasped the idea that the place is a prison.

No dumbass, like the Golden Order is broken and the cycle of Life and Death for most in the Lands Between is broken with it, with the connection between the Erdtree and Souls is severed, in the same exact way before the Greater Will punished the Nox. They have been severed from their Stars, creating Moons and hoping for those to lead their fate from the false sky to the sky above.

I get not understanding the actual meaning of Fate, but God you are clueless. The parallel is very clear.

>>732229075
Then just move on, you could be spending this time here playing something you like instead

>>732229140
This post that started the chain. Read from here. >>732227297

>>732229275
And?

>>732228745
Fate isn't real.
>Similarly, Godwyn is severed from the Golden Order due to his body being inbued with Death and produced Deathblight ONLY as a result of that,
Godwyn was not "severed" from anything. He was killed with a blade that destroyed his soul and mind but left the body intact, which simply kept on living and mutated.
>This explains why Deathblight existed before Godwyn
It didn't. Farum Azula is in the future, not the past, except Placidusax's arena.
>connected to their own Elden Ring
There has only ever been one. At least on this planet. Good night, schizo

>>732229075
Anor Londo is 2 hallways and a shitty platforming section. You think it's peak gaming because you likef it when you were 12.

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>>732216890
I'd love to discuss Elden Ring lore with you, the problem is a single retarded schizophrenic has taken it upon himself to write an entire fan fiction that goes well beyond what someone would call "head canon".

I'm talking an entire story about the rise and fall of a kingdom that pertains to every little detail of the game despite being based on nothing but a single fucking shield.


Someone figured out, that because Miyazacki does this "fill in the blanks with my item descriptions just like I did reading english books :^)" that they can just basically write up the most elaborate piece of fanfiction ever and pass it off as some sort of well thought out fact.
For years people in souls threads saw a plot point, saw another plot point, connected the dots with a straight line. The line was different from person to person, but it was understood that the in-game truths were the most important.

Now, one can draw an entire meandering maze around the dots while posting an image of an item with a single red box around a small phrase and say "You don't understand the lore". They can go on for paragraphs and paragraphs describing a secret setting never once alluded to by anything.
Big Luke exists, and has an entire complex relationship with Star Wars setting.

Souls discussion is dead.

>>732229493
We can and should simply ignore the sun realm/crucible schizo

>>732229493
You new here? If you play the game at all you can spot him and discount his ramblings immediately. Everyone just talks around him or catches him in kafkatraps that take up his time as they talk around him.

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>>732229184
It's amazing how these games have managed to get completely turned inside out.

Dark Souls: Has no plot at all. Everyone that was ever important has died or gone insane and we're a few hundred years into the apocalypse. You get a vague idea of what the fuck is happening by paying attention to your surroundings and talking to other NPCs that may or may not be telling the truth.
The games are compelling because the writing possesses "basic intelligence" somewhere underneath all of this weird bullshit that's open to interpretation.

Elden Ring: King Zanzula created a magic necklace out of a magical alloyed metal forged in the fires of Mt. Bart. He gave it to his son who then melted it down and tried to make a sword out of it but he failed so he gave it to his cousin who promised to store it up his ass and bestow it to his son during the Vietbart war. However, he was unaware that a copy had been created and had been gifted to yayidiasdfi fuck it I can't even be bothered

It's a bunch of specifics. I'm supposed to think it's good writing after I get ackshually'd to death.

It's like talking to Star Wars fans. Except they're defending the prequels and telling you Jar Jar Binks is a good character because of an encyclopedia that you have to read to argue with them.

>>732229863
You didn't understand the plot for dark souls?

>>732229648
>>732229631
He'll change his position and write a new schizo book eventually.

I still remember when he started out trying to argue Founding Rain of Stars (Which he confused with stars of Ruin) implied by the number of projectiles released signified 12 outer gods fighting over the throne of the world.

>>732229971
Yeah he really misunderstood anons talking about the legendary spells of the primeval current. Were you here when he was rambling about the Great Tree?

>>732229970
I got the "impression". I got the idea.
I didn't need to understand all of it. It doesn't need to make sense because life doesn't always make sense.

Elden Ring fans are autistic and not the good kind.

>>732229863
Which is is you fucking faggot retard, is elden ring a bunch of disconnected set pieces with no story or explanation, or is an elaborate self contained EU that you find too convoluted to engage with? It can't be BOTH

>>732230120
You didn't understand the story in elden ring?

>>732230052
Yeah before the Sunrealm shit I do recall something about the Erdtree being grafted to the Great Tree, and something about Crucible being red clay because the Red-Gold association with Crucible Knights.

I've long since forgotten most of it because he now baits people into discussing with him the Sun Realm shit.

>>732229184
>No dumbass, like the Golden Order is broken and the cycle of Life and Death for most in the Lands Between is broken with it, with the connection between the Erdtree and Souls is severed, in the same exact way before the Greater Will punished the Nox. They have been severed from their Stars, creating Moons and hoping for those to lead their fate from the false sky to the sky above.
Holy fuck now that makes actual sense

>>732230228
That guy was so mixed up on crucibles as a concept.

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>>732216890
It makes sense. It's just telling the story in an odd way. It's very environmental and you might not notice it, but it is. Also, yes: a lot of exposition & lore is distributed through item and spell descriptions, deal with it.
It puts you in a world and leaves you to figure it out. If you don't like it, that's okay, I don't have to defend it to you and you have no obligation to like it. There's nothing else to say. Good day

>>732230189
I did, and I love it, I'm calling him out for trying to insult Elden Ring simultaniously as being underwritten and too detailed.

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>>732218084
anon
you and a dozen other zombies fight a giant hobo dying of turbo aids in the desert
when he finally dies, the sky falls and a blows a hole in the ground into an ancient forsaken city
motherfucker was holding up the stars. and he still put up a fight
that's ludo narrative kino
that's all I want from the narrative in my ludos
plus the underground cities are sovful as fuck. no logic necessary, but then again trying to explain ancient mysteries just ends up ruining it. clone wars, etc.
btw
I cried when I got to the shaman village and picked up the item and read the description
fucking masterpiece of environmental story telling. pinnacle of the series. they know what they're doing
major "taking Frodo's hand in his, he left the hill of Cerin Amroth and came there never again as living man" vibes

>>732230281
I remember someone short circuiting him by asking 'which crucible' every time he went on a rant.

>>732230281
>>732230228
>>732230052
>>732229971
>>732229648
>>732229631
Why are you talking to yourself at specific time intervals?

DS1 and ER are the only ones I replay once every 6 months or so.

Though it's ok that Mohg was vindicated and proved to be innocent, they still shat on the bed with SOTE.
Miquella was supposed to be ER Jesus. Selfless, loveable, charismatic, and a wise mentor etc. The thought of him not being a pacifist is preposterous.
But they ruined him with the brainwashing and Radahn bullshhit.

>>732222679
The animated show litearlly has a full episode about Batmans mechanic that takes care about the batmobile

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>>732230397
reply chains tend to work that way. Welcome to 4chan bro.

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>>732229863
>"Wow this is lazy writing that makes no sense and is not detailed"
>Poster actually gives a detailed explanation of the game
>"Wow what is this autistic hyperspecific explanation, this is not good writing"
God you are such an insufferable faggot

>>732230603
He's probably not going to stick around the site mang. Whoever sent him here knows he failed and is going to wash him.

>>732230603
Took you this long to inspect element? Shame I interrupted your self replying for 1.5 minutes
>>732230717

Althoughbeitfully the mimsy broves outgrathe... hehehehe.

>>732230717
The worst part is it is the same bronyfaggot that anons keep bullying.

The Crucible was just the Erdtree analog that the ancient dragon-lords worshipped, and subsequently some schism off-shoots of the Golden Order still worship it (namely certain knight lineages).
Crumbling Farum Azula is the ancient dragon-lord's equivalent to Leyndell (a royal capital). The ruins and ruin fragments that are all over the world, that look like they fell from the sky, literally did; they came from Crumbling Farum Azula.
The game is about the rise and fall of civilizations. You are playing an important character that is responsible for the transition to the "rise" period of the next civilization; with the current one in a state of being fell.
It's not that deep bro. The Erdtree itself is a literal visual metaphor for the rise, blossoming, de-flowering, and wilting of civilization; and the Elden Ring proper is a metaphor for the unspoken and unwritten rules of civilization that proper lordship must abide by else the kingdom falls to ruin. When it was shattered, it went to shit.
Everything else in the lore is fluff for the player to find interesting.

>>732230846
That explains why everyone knew how to fuck with him in the same way.
>>732230281
Good job triggering him lol.

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>>732230926
>The Crucible was just the Erdtree analog that the ancient dragon-lords worshipped,
No, Farum Azula had their own Tree

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>>732230397
I'm not, but I suspect based on this >>732216984
which is a webm of a prolific steam review poster known as Dragonirian losing in pvp, that the "Name Schizo" or "Eric" (Yes, the same fag who schizos out in BG III and Nintendo threads) is either OP or samefagging in this thread.
Some suspect SunRealm is also the same guy because they used to show up in the same thread and some of those posts agreeing with me bitching about Sun Realm schizo, while including nods to him (I.E multiple crucibles???).

What I'm saying is, is OP is probably Eric, and Sunrealm schizo is also probably Eric, and he's samefagging while replying to me for the specific set up of going on his massive Dragonirian freak out, which he'll try to dump on me because he probably recognizes me through posting styles, as I recognize him through posting styles.

Now I'm not going to say without a doubt that they're the same schizo, but I've long suspected it because my first issues with Eric arose particularly because of the schizo posting. the "You're Dragonirian, no you're dragonirian, lol humiliation ritual! lol" shit came after.

All I'm certain of is the webm is evidence that Eric is here, in this thread, doing his weird Barneyfag esque ritual post where he pretends all Fromsoft threads are by some random Russian fag he's mad at for making /v/ hate Baldur's Gate III.

>>732231040
what the fuck does any of this mean?

>>732230985
You're being way too pedantic and anal. That's literally what I fucking said. I said it was their analog to the Erdtree. However else and whatever else words you are moving around doesn't change the essential foundational truth that -- IT WAS AN ERDTREE ANALOG. It matters NOT what the analog was nor if it was actually a literal tree. Fuck me

>>732231074
Its how lolcows mea culpa.

>>732216890
>makes complete sense
Demons Souls, Sekiro
>makes some sense with some loose ends
Dark Souls 1
>makes no sense whatsoever
Bloodborne, Elden Ring
>who gives a shit
DS2, DS3

>>732230603
>>732231040
Why are you talking to yourself?
Why did you replace spaces with underscore for the same exact windows screenshot capture naming conventions showing the same timezone?
You know there's no capture that had naming like
>Screenshot_20260203_171512.png
Your attempts at samefagging are very weak minded

>>732231331
You might be having a schizo-effective break from reality. Get better soon bruv.

Underground? It says Astel "took away their sky." To me that implies they were buried under a firmament of meteoric rock, like his spell which opens black holes spewing meteors. The stars are the "children" of the Greater Will.
As for the elevators, clearly they were built to explore the underground, not act as highways between existing cities. They match the designs of the Eternal Cities themselves, so I imagine they were built before the Nox actually became buried as well. The ancient dynasty predates them and that's where the forest elevator arrives, not the Eternal City itself.
The dlc shows even people like the hornsent studying ruins older than themselves in the Rauh Ruins. The Nox likely built those elevators for the same purpose.

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>>732231115
>You're being way too pedantic and anal. That's literally what I fucking said.
No, you said the Crucible is the Tree.
That is wrong, because the Crucible Knights don't search the Crucible of Life in the Tree
At most, the Crucible is the seed from which Miranda first bloomed the Tree, but really the Crucible was formed from the original giants corpses and you can see roots coming out of Mountaintops and Caelid giant skeletons, so it can't be as simple as Crucible = Tree

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>>732231074
TL;DR there is a schizo that even the mods hate that ritual posts various topics and the ritual posting he does in From Soft threads is to try and pretend that a random steam reviewer made the thread and that he is a collection of /v/ users hunting him down to humiliate him. (it's in From Soft LITERALLY because the fag he stalks posted Elden Ring pvp videos on youtube, that's it)

Why he does it is beyond me, but I think he's always dreamed of /v/ personal armying faggots he hates. Basically never ever do a steam review of a game he likes and post it in a screen cap or you're a target for life.

>>732231331
Silly Eric, I switched to Linux and the screencaps are now given that filename :^).

>>732231479
I SAID IT WAS THEIR ANALOG TO THE TREE.
ALLAH IS THE ISLAMIC ANALOG TO CHRISTAIN GOD DO YOU UNDERSTAND YET JESUS FUCK

>>732231479
>dlc item
The DLC isn’t canon though.

>>732231518
ohhhhhh you're talking about Terr. He doesn't use that name on this board.

Is anyone on /v/ going to try and claim that the new game has a compelling plot

I don't know if it's possible to have a lot of interesting things going on and dense lore when all the assets are literally just copied and pasted into a new game.

I don't know if it's a new game or DLC. It's all blending together at this point.

>>732231595
Its more interesting than ER but in a less interesting way.

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>>732231581
>"oooh you're talking about poopdick"
We're sticking with Eric, Eric.

>>732231730
I don't really know him like you do I guess.

I agree that Elden Ring discussion is dead. These threads are mostly just anons trying to troll each other.

>>732231535
They are nothing alike, the dragons have no relation with the Crucible in the first place so you are saying nonsense

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>>732229631
Why do you keep replying to your posts?

>>732232725
you'll get what anons are talking about when you play the game.

>>732232806
No screencap?

>>732233007
Its up to you to start playing the game friend.

>>732231730
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>>732232370
Why do you always samefag your posts 1.5 minutes after posting?

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>>732233147
I didn't mean to trigger you

>>732233201
>I didn't mean to trigger you
Why is he so triggered anyway?

>>732233201
Ok but can you screenshot this post for me and post the picture, pretty please?
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>>732233147

>blatant samefag schizo has the audacity to tell anyone to "stop"

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>>732232806
>>732233147
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>>732233282
>Anons
>The same fucking "samefag dismissal" comic to set some sort of tone that you aren't samefagging as accusers of samefagging
Even the stick figures are discussing Baldur's Gate III meaning you developed this autistic ritual in those threads first, lmao! Just what kind of insane person are you?

>>732233474
Thats why we call him a lolcow. Guy is being bullied on like 4 boards right now.

>>732233530
It was good that anons decided to ruin his life here.

>>732233530
Can you screenshot this for me >>732233414

>>732233652
Definitely. Let him talk in circles to himself lol.

>>732233736
>>732233652
Ok but can you do this?>>732233676

>>732233736
Feels kind of cruel when you see it unfold for a while but yolo

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No one is buying it Eric, The moment you post the Dragonirian webm we know you're just going to samefag an argument between yourself accusing yourself of samefagging as some sort of Kafka inspired slip to somehow make /v/, who isn't paying attention anyway, believe it isn't you, so you can goal post your way to some sort of convoluted personal army request.

At this point the thread is just me and you. I guess it saves some of /v/ of having to deal with your lorefag baiting to see you doing the ritual post chain again.

>>732234116
what the fuck are you rambling about?

>>732234249
one of hundred of posters on this site that eric has mind broken

>>732234249
Probably a malfunctioning chatbot.

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>>732234326
Subtle self-gloat noted, but you're just as entertaining for me as I am for you.

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still seething after 4 years

>>732234663
I remember when he had one of these for all of his humiliation ritual threads. I feel really bad for what anons did to him.

>>732218536
>the Grand Cloister
it's not an Eternal city... it's a dynastic ruin

>>732218084
but what was godrick's tax policy?

>>732236043
an arm and a leg!

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>>732218084
They followed the Black Moon, which may have literally been a Black Hole.
They stabbed Metyr so the Greater Will banished them to the underground.
You can see that it was a pretty sudden and brutal experience because a ton of people are petrified and merged into the rock around them while reaching towards the sky or holding their heads in lamentation
Later they adapted and began to build out of the rock that surrounded them directly. And began focusing on making quicksilver homunculi that could become strong enough to retake the surface.

Eventually some of their descendants left and became a part of the Liurnian sorcery culture. Others escaped and built a small outpost in Caelid that became known as a center of learning.

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>>732237283
Okay fair enough

I was literally just asking questions. I got 100 responses that were some kind of stupid. Forgive me for not putting this together.

If Melina can teleport, why doesn't she teleport to the Erdtree? If she wants to burn it, why doesn't she teleports to the giant's cauldron? Bitch says the most cryptic shit imaginable 2-3 times then disappears. She let Torrent choose us, does the spectral steed function on the same rules as chess? Where the horse is the actual knightly member of the ruling class? Why does a horse choose the next king for the next 1000 years? Why does all Rennala's children are born with no feet?

>>732216890
>the "lore" makes less sense than ever
It's actually pretty straightforward. You just need to put some effort into understanding what's going on and that the Lands Between are not governed by the fundamental logic of the world you are familiar with. Instead, natural phenomena are mostly governed by the Golden Order.

>it simultaneously has never been more insistent that it has a plot.
No, it hasn't. It has less plot than DS3 andBloodborne, but about the same amount as 1 and 2.

>>732216890
>>732218084
>REEEEEEEE
>what do they eat?
>thats their tax policy?
>where are the children?
>REEEEEEE

>>732218084
>Why is there a giant city underground in a giant empty cavern
Because it was built there?

>exactly 2 magical elevators with no apparent means of being powered.
Why would your undergrou d dwelling civilization go above ground? Notice that the Elevators match the ones in Farum Azula, which implies that there is a connection between the Dragonlords and the Nox.

>Something extremely powerful moved a giant city underground.
No, that didn't happen.

>>732237283
>>732237539
The main gist is that a people that may or may not have been Numen (same race as marika) were banished underground, where they attempted to simulate the surface world.

We know they were star worshipers and their culture re-emerged on the surface in Liurnia and Sellina.

The blasphemy they committed isn't directly stated, but we know it involved the knife (which looks like Marika's sword form) which allowed them to harm the 2 fingers. They could have stabbed Metyr, or just another fingers, I do like the idea they stabbed Metyr though because there as to be some explanation for why we the player can harm her.

Also they created the Silver Tears and tried to use them to make false life, like the big dragon guys and Albinaurics.
The Night folk preset implies that most of the Nox are artificial by saying they "bleed silver" and the only item in the game that mentions the night folk is Urumi, a sword whip, which is like a poor imitation of the silver tear weapons.

So basically, whoever is left in the Eternal city may not be human but an artificial race.

>>732237658
>If Melina can teleport, why doesn't she teleport to the Erdtree?
Because she wants to see if the guy she picked is any good?

>If she wants to burn it, why doesn't she teleports to the giant's cauldron?
Because she wants to see if the guy she picked is any good?

>Bitch says the most cryptic shit imaginable 2-3 times then disappears.
"Take me there and I'll level you up"
"okay now take me there and I'll keep leveling you up"
"haha you could always level up by yourself, now let me set myself on fire"
Not exactly cryptic.

>Why does all Rennala's children are born with no feet?
All the sorcerers are barefoot, they take in the magic through the earth, they're failures, they can't sustain themselves through magic, because they're not able to absorb it with their feet.

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>>732237658
Melina is some kind of ghost that is haunting you, she can't travel on her own. She says several times she needs someone to "guide her".

As for Rennala's children, those are hundreds of years old college professors constantly using her egg to be reborn.
The repeated process of being reborn leads to deformity and looking like a clone of Rennala, probably in the same concept of how Albinaurics feet phase from existence.

>>732238820
>those are hundreds of years old college professors constantly using her egg to be reborn
No, they're not. They're Rennala obsessively trying and failing to create artificial humans, to replace her child that cannot be born.
They're albinaurics.

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>>732239420
>juveniles
>hundreds of years old

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>>732239701
das rite

>>732239701
Ok, let me rephrase, it's been hundreds of years since they were born from their mother's vagina, now they're re-birthed daily by an amber egg.

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>>732216890
the story in the dark souls games and elden ring was always half assed and not really important to the game, and intentionally made vague for retards like VaatiVidya to psyop gamers into thinking it's "le deep lore"
and I like it like this, but let's stop pretending like there is any coherent narrative

>>732226283
and yet the haligtree is guaded by and full of albinaurics growing in eggs

>>732243604
>Albinaurics growing in eggs
???

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>>732230532
>Though it's ok that Mohg was vindicated and proved to be innocent
ehh, he still wanted miq to be the god as an empryean. but that's part of the "game of thrones"

>Miquella was supposed to be ER Jesus. Selfless, loveable, charismatic, and a wise mentor etc.
he still is

>The thought of him not being a pacifist is preposterous
the age of compassion is pacifistic, he vowed to create a gentler world

>But they ruined him with the brainwashing and Radahn bullshhit.
it's not hard brainwashing, he makes a persons heart devoted to him. those charmed

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>>732244936
Those are cocoons friend, not eggs.
No Albinauric has stepped foot near the Haligtree(save for the possibility of Loretta if she actually is an albinauric), that is why they wait in the Liturgical Town for an audience that will never come.

Who those cocooned people are? Who can say?
People speculate that Miquella had weaved himself a cocoon as a part of some attempt to become a god that ultimately failed, and so those are some of his follows who were attempting the same.

But I can say for certain, those aren't albinauric eggs.

>>732216890
So it's Dark Souls 4 your saying. kek.

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>>732245350
well they're still baking albinaurics, and loretta moved to the haligtree because she believed it a better sanctuary for them. those torches needed to unlock the gate to the haligtree and easily ignitable providing the albinaurics wanted to go there for whatever reason

>>732245978
>Guy in a bowing position
>must be an albinauric being made
Extreme doubt.

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>>732218084
You know I've noticed this a lot both here and on /a/. Too many fucking complainers. People who aren't satisfied when the smallest little isn't spelled out for them or even written. They can't just enjoy the game or story as it is they have to complain about something.

>>732246298
loretta's giant sister is special for being the first albinauric to get pregnant. we see albinaurics attacking the tarnished on their way to the haligtree, cocoons at the haligtree are metamorphosising into figures with the same pose as albinaurics, loretta moved to the haligtree from caria because she believes it a better sanctuary for albinaurics

the evidence stacks up brother

I just had the most bullshit death in my Elden Ring history and I'm blaming it on the co-op mod.

>>732218084
>guy poses simple question like "why are the underground people underground"
>300 posts later, multiple 5000+ word dissertations are made
>still no one can actually agree on the simplest of things like who did it and why
kek, elden ring lore in a nutshell. fromsoft gave up on story a long time ago

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>>732247684
here it is

>>732248292
branched

>>732248148
play the game and develop media literacy bro