>made to be the most annoying class in the game>turns out to be the most fair to fight, least annoying and balanced class as a duelist best at handling 1v1s
>>732223067doesnt default loadout scout mog everyone tho?
>>732223067I dunno dude, a literal stickman materializing inside of my asshole out of nowhere and having the potential (because most scouts straight up miss all their shots) to deal 102 damage at any point is pretty annoyingbut that might be because I mostly play demoman and pipes/stickies are bad at dealing with really close targets
The term "scunt" wouldn't have been coined if that was the case.
>>732223529scouts a soft counter to normal demos because they don't have enough spread compared to the scattergun
>puts up sentryyou are now countered.
>>732223067>least annoying
>>732223593a scunt is 10x better than a plog pyro, sticky spam, or a pocket soldier/medic
>>732223281he does, yes, scout is the strongest DM class in the game, good movement speed, good mid range burst that can kill classes once your aim is good enough and movement to couple to make the cleaning up even better; denies bombs well, demoman's worst enemy, and again can clean up enemies after being damaged heavily.invite level scouts are the most scary things to fight against.
>>732223634>counters demoman>gets a fried chicken tauntwhat did valve mean by this
>>732223738And yet scout manages to still piss people off enough to coin a word for it.
>>732223680A good sniper, great spy and great m2 pyro makes me want to uninstall more than any good scout player.
HUUUH-HAAA-HAAAAAAAAAAHAAAHAAAHAA-HAAAAAAAAHH-HUUUUUUHHHAAA-HUUUHH-WAAAAAH-HAHA
>>732224607that's because scouts use the schadenfreude the most after killing, being laughed at in the killcam while struggling to kill a good player would piss anyone off
>>732224792a scout is the worst thing to have on your own team
>>732225398sorry faggot i just back capped
>>732223529That's when I pull out the quickebomb launcher and pull off a strategy that I call:>stickyspam at my own feet until one of us dies
>>732224923Nah it's just the nature of having a class that's really good at avoiding death. The whole "can pick his own fights" shit and the idea that it's so easy for him to bail on any situation that's going to get him killed means you've got a class whose going to constantly be escaping your attempts to kill him. This also increases the likelihood of dominations, not necessarily because he's that good at getting kills but rather that he's that good at avoiding death.
>>732225503based
>>732226375>husbandos the shortest class in the gamequeen
>>732224897WHO THE FUCK IS SPAMMING THE FUCKING SOLDIER CRYING AND KNEELING TAUNT IN THE SEWERS
>>732223529Getting good with the loose cannon is a wonderful feeling>scout appears>look at him>he gets donked and perishes instantly>cumIts shit for other demoman needs but nothing beats getting airshot donks, quad+ donks, and deleting scouts.
>>732226670the thing that irks me about the loose cannon is that it essentially fills the same role as the stickybomb launcher (mid range spam machine that can somewhat function in shorter ranges), but without the ability to lay down trapsso I only ever use it while playing hybrid knighttide turner trimping + cannon jumps are nutty on certain maps, like upward
>>732226839The amount of time you need to dedicate to cooking the explosives basically mean youre using it as a primary.Time is a hugely important resource that demo has to manage due to how much he has to reload.Its best used with shields, scores, and jumper since those are primary-focused builds to begin with.
>>732223067
>>732225398Having an amazing duelist who can deal with snipers in the backline, get med picks, and go toe to toe with power classes is amazing what are you talking about?
>>732227538Most scout players suck shit
>>732225398>>732227728I'd rather have an entire team of shit-tier scouts than mid-tier snipers because the garbage scouts are at least touching the objective sometimes.
He fucked an orca
>>732228020miss pauling isn't THAT fat
>>732223067>annoyingUnless you're playing Pyro and a Scout counters you directly... I don't consider Scout an annoying class.It's super easy to kill Heavy, Soldier, Demo, and Engi can melt it in an instant, and Medic, Sniper, and Spy have roles that let them avoid fighting it.
>>732226225>Nah it's just the nature of having a class that's really good at avoiding deathReally only true if you're an MGE demon and only on open maps. A gunboats soldier or sticky jumper demo is much harder to pin down for the average player.
>>732229070They have to reload eventually or trade off their full potential by foregoing other weapons.Scout has cost-free mobility at all times.
>>732226670I fucking hate the loose cannon. Luck shitter lottery weapon like the huntsman>Stand at max range in a choke and get free double donks>Guaranteed damage in a lot of situations where a roller would do 0>Hard to reflect and even if you do it usually just blows up in your face>Can't even surf it to your advantage because the knockback sends you to the fucking moon>Braindead way to shutdown heavies on a class that already has a good matchup against himI can't count how many times I've gotten one shot by a double donk from mindless spam.
>>732229294>They have to reload eventually or trade off their full potential by foregoing other weapons.Soldier and demo are more forgiving as they can shrug off chip damage unlike scout, they go much faster than scout, and they can use splash to punish players chasing them. Scout cannot afford to make a single mistake.
>>732223067>made to be the most annoying class in the gameYou misread, "made to be played by the most annoying people in the game"
>>732230665I have never seen a furry scout main ever.Every other pyro main is a furry or tranny.
>>732229771>The one loose cannon demo at Dustbowl last choke sitting in that fucking healthpack/200 metal house cleaning anyone coming up the projectile sized stairwell.
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>>732230665Soldier hands typed this post.
>>732223067>made to be the most annoying class in the game>Playing the game? YOU JUST LOST YOUR AIMING PRIVILEGES
>90 percent of my games are always trying to hard carry by myself because the playerbase now is just absolute dogshit at the game
>>732233053>literally every pyro main uses this piece of shitI never want to hear any complaints about pyro being weak. Every time I mow down a pyro main as heavy or scout they fucking deserve it.
>>732233053It makes a snipers day just a bit worse and is therefore a good and valid choice.
>>732233053>YOU JUST LOST YOUR AIMING PRIVILEGESAsk me how I know you're a buttflustered and on fire Sniper.
>>7322333938 years of bots will do that
>>732226375She looks like bubbles
>>732234007>>732234029>this cope againsniper of all classes has the most time to dodge the flare, is nearest to healthpacks/dispensers, and can put on dds at any time to render your weapon useless.
>>732233393Nah this is just a sign of casual being ass since free slots in lobbies are mostly going to be on the losing side since they are most inclined to go next. >join game>...FOUR>THREE>TWO>ONE>OVERTIME...>YOU FAILED!>BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>732233393>now
all the classes are balanced and you virgins complain like reddit virgins
>>732223067>I got this bucket of chicken XD>I teleported bread XD>Meet the sandvich XDMan this randumb humor did not age well
>>732235781you don't genuinely believe this
>>732234398And he's the only one who the aimpunch from being on fire actually has a noticeable detrimental effect on, when everyone else is using spread weapons and projectiles. Thus: anon is a sniper main.
>>732233462scorch shot doesn't bother me so muchwhat annoys me the most are the pyros that airblast fuckign constantly when you get near them
>>732236683Pyro is unironically at a disadvantage at close range against soldiers and demos since you can't reaction reflect. Airblast sending you across the map in some situations regardless of class is retarded though.
>>732223067Really makes me wonder what they intended to actually be annoying considering shit like Natascha exists where the design behind it feels like it was not to make the class any better but to make the entire match less fun
>>732237050you just have to open your third lung and FEEL the reflect, man. it's all a mind game.
>>732236228I hate sniper, but this is horse shit. Everyone bitches about afterburn like it's the end of the world and whines that the scorch shot mildly annoying you with a pitiful amount of damage + DoT is worse than a soldier or demo doing the same thing with their weapons and killing you outright.
>>732238170re-read the post
>>732230725That begs the question of which class mains have a higher likelihood of being a huge degenerate.Pyros are obviously on top, but how would you rank every other class?
>>732238170>mildly annoying you with a pitiful amount of damage + DoT is worse than a soldier or demoit adds up to thousands of damage for virtually no effort. demo and soldier have falloff flares do not.
>>732223529>Stock demothere's your problemwe all hybridknight now for a reason
>>732238365demo doesn't have falloff
>>732238223Yeah, I know. It doesn't matter that you think only sniper has a "real" reason to hate being on fire, EVERYONE hates being on fire and treats it as worse than being actually dead.>>732238365>it adds up to thousands of damage for virtually no effortYou can say the same about soldier and demo. And a soldier/demo spamming at max range is still significantly more likely to kill you than a pyro spamming at max range.Also, demo doesn't have falloff.
>>732238343scouts - dickheadssoldiers - sweatlordsdemos - stonersheavies - anger issuesengineers - 12 year oldsmedics - homosexuals or womensnipers - autistsspies - weeaboos
>>732238586>It doesn't matter that you think only sniper has a "real" reason to hate being on fire,IT DOES MATTER BECAUSE THE POST SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED AIMING
>>732238528>Stock demoI mean, that right there is the class with the single greatest damage potential in the game4 pipes + 8 stickes goes hard when the conditions are just right and the enemy deathballs on a chokepoint at just the right distance from youthe power of having two primaries is insane
>>732238705Snipers are weebsSpies are edgelords
>>732238789You know what, that's fair. I was reading a different reply complaining about the scorch shot and mistook your post as a response to that one.
>>732238343Medic mains tend to be gross trannies and name their medi-guns shit like “estrogen injector”.Spy tends to attract weirdos like pyro but not to the same extreme degree.Soldier and heavy mains are usually speds, not really degenerate but clearly on the spectrum and a little retarded.
>>732223067that's not Demoman
becoming a god scout is the highest expression of skill in the game. it's why all the best players in the game switched off shit like soldier or demo for scout play.
>>732238581On pipes which are a pretty hard to hit. That said I think pipes having no falloff is stupid but that's another discussion.>>732238586>You can say the same about soldier and demoSoldier and demo have to get close to do meaningful spam damage. Taking on risk is the difference here. Pyro can spam flares from across the map and always do the same damage.You don't realize how busted scorch is because its effects aren't immediately apparent. Medics take longer to get ubers, have lower healrate and fewer crit heals, and can't buff their combat classes as often as they'd like leading to the entire team not being able to push effectively. Losing uber advantage is a huge deal and can be the difference between winning or losing. Players holding the flank hit by a flare have to give up their positions to run back for a healthkit. Slower classes like heavies, demos, and to some extent soldiers are forced to eat a shitload of damage from it because they're not fast enough to dodge it. The knockback on burning targets is absurd and makes it take twice as long as to get through a choke. If you get hit by a direct you're stunlocked in place for 2s making you an easy target. It clears sticky traps so you can ignore a demo holding a choke or blocking a point forcing his team to dive onto it to stop you. Scorch gives pyro huge value and it's braindead easy to abuse.
>>732238975Understandable, have a good night.
>>732230665what's the green house thing
What would the 10th Class be?
>>732238905>spy mains>not weebs
how did an annoying retarded wigger with a baseball bat end up fighting in a war tho
>>732239706it's not a war because RED isn't an army
>play TF2 Classified>it's fun holy shit
>>732239246>Soldier and demo have to get close to do meaningful spam damageAnd pyro by default does no meaningful damage by spamming scorch, and he's certainly not going to kill anyone by spamming flares at max range.>Pyro can spam flares from across the map and always do the same damage.Yeah, again, zero. Spamming flares at max range is a minor annoyance at best unless you have no medics, no engineers, and are playing on a custom map with no medkits.>ubersYeah I'm calling bullshit unless you have some kind of evidence to back that up. It takes one second of healing from a medigun/dispenser to extinguish flames, and every flare gun has a two second reload time. You don't even notice the healing disruption even from sources that it stops completely and pyro literally can't output flares fast enough for anywhere close to 100% uptime.
>>732223067Scout is useless on narrowass maps like dustbowl though. Due to all the explosion spam and lack of flank routes.
>>732239706the barrier to entry for any military is just physical fitness
Shitters hate Scout because they know deep down that he represents the purest expression of objective movement and aim in the game, and when they die to one it makes them resent themselves for being shit. Scout's purity stands so strongly and divinely against all the tidal wave of mindless noob garbage in the game, and that makes retards hate him even more.
>>732239028spy still largely seems to attract weeaboos, whereas pyro is all sexual degeneracy.
>>732229070>Really only true if you're an MGE demonPrecisely the kind of player "scunt" gets coined to describe
>>732223067>most fairevery time I play scout I am inundated with deaths.
>>732239895>And pyro by default does no meaningful damage by spamming scorch, and he's certainly not going to kill anyone by spamming flares at max range.I can go rack up thousands of damage in a pub right now just spamming flares and doing nothing else. It's not remotely difficult. You are delusional. If it wasn't as broken as it is it wouldn't be used by literally 90% of pyros.>Yeah, again, zero. Spamming flares at max range is a minor annoyance at best unless you have no medics, no engineers, and are playing on a custom map with no medkits.There is an opportunity cost you retard. Heals being spent on burning players are heals not being used to overheal power classes. It also forces medic to lean on crossbow more which does lower his uber rate. Crit heals are a huge boost to a good medic's heal rate and scorch makes it much harder to take advantage of them because of how long afterburn lasts and its much greater effective range than rockets and stickies.Even if none of this were true this still hinges on there being a competent medic on your team which is rare and you are ignoring the cost of positional advantage. You have to run back for heals giving up ground and spending time doing something other than shooting the enemy. 15s spent running back to a healthkit is not that different from being dead. Medkits are also not a guaranteed supply either with most maps rarely having more than 1 medium health kit within walking distance of the frontlines that multiple players now have to fight over.>Yeah I'm calling bullshit unless you have some kind of evidence to back that up. It takes one second of healing from a medigun/dispenser to extinguish flames, and every flare gun has a two second reload time.Went to check. Apparently valve's patch notes are wrong and the heal crippling condition only works on flamethrower applied afterburn. However everything else I said still applies.
i love this nigga like you wouldnt believe
>>732241415ugly
>>732226375He can't keep getting away with it.
>sits on cart holding m2 for entire match, effortlessly slaughtering the enemy team by himself so you can screw around and have funremember to thank your pub stomping heavy
>>732223067MY FUARKIN' KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>732241084>If it wasn't as broken as it is it wouldn't be used by literally 90% of pyros.Oh man it's this retard again. Again shotty is most used pyro weapon, go look up loadouts.
>>732241509you have shit taste congrats
>>732241928you are also ugly
>>732241415You strike me as someone who really wants other people to think you're cool.
>>732234993Literally all they need to do is bring back scramble. If my team isn't the one getting stomped, then we're the ones getting stomped. Either way it's just completely unfun.
>>732241901UUUWEEEEEEEEEEEEEH UUUUUWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
>>732233053Man shut up it deals no damage and its countered simply by having a dispenser around, Pic related is the real statans weapon, Imagine the pyro being able to hit you with fire at any distance on any terrain at any angle. this is what this does and if the pyro is good enough he'll fucking kill your ass behind cover with this weapon and target your medics with this, it also lets the pyo engage at a range where most other power classes struggle and lets him widdle them down enough to get then to abandon the fight and go into retreat.its an insane mental warefare weapon.
>>732241920Is it most used or is that the amount of f2ps that dont have an alternative
>>732241901But anon, I am the heavy that topscores purely by sitting on the cart.
*Natasha's you*
>>732240192Agreed. And that's also why Soldier is the epitome of noob garbage in the game>high health, high damage, high mobility>splash damage on command>direct hit and market gardener give him the ability to near instantly kill any class if you're the least bit skilled>health steal and regeneration unlocks to make him even harder to kill>not to mention being one of the most common medic pockets>and just in case that medic dies he has a get out of jail free unlock to run outta there faster than the fucking scout>the creator of the game literally mains him and plays favorites with him
>>732241084To prove a point I jumped into an upward game and did literally nothing but spam flares. Did not use my flamethrower once. 8.5k damage and 21 kills just from spamming flares like a retard.
>>732242686If you're looking up loadouts you aren't exactly seeing f2ps since they're all showing off their cosmetics.
>>732242830>playing in defense
>>732241920>go look up loadouts.Loadout numbers haven't been public in well over a decade. Anecdotal is all you can go off of and every pyro you see in pubs is using this fucking thing. It's the equivalent of trying to argue kunai isn't overused when it's obvious to anyone playing the game.
>>732242734dear cart heavy: i despise you, but i despise my teammates morei can headshot you every time you ride that thing but it just isn't enough to stop the waves of my 'friends' running into your death cannon
>>732239361homestuck, some /co/core gay webcomic or something.
>>732241901Pubs have made me come to hate heavy. If I don't want to get stomped I HAVE to go demo to deal with this fat fuck because god knows the other 4 demos on my team aren't gonna swap off demoknight and no one understands what focus fire is.
>>732243146You better have the machina equipped because I'm fully overhealed an I'm using the natasha :)
>>732243501you're goddamn right i do and the whole server is gonna hear the one time in the match i get a double kill
>>732242663a pretty good question to gauge someone's skill is to ask them which pyro secondary makes them more madworse players will say scorch shot, better players detonator
>>732245684It's still scorch because the small amount of skill required to use detonator fillters pyro mains.
>>732223637It's just that easy.
>>732239706>how did an annoying retarded wigger with a baseball bat end up fighting in a war thoLike 95% of everyone who died in the western front of WWII looked EXACTLY like scout.
>>732223067>Direct Hit (also a pro soldier main)I click m1, you go back to spawn. nothing personnel kiddo
>>732242249Whatever makes you feel better you fucking dork>>732242369you strike me as someone really dumb. its just a cool loadout I shared; stop trying to look deep into it.
>>732243146 >dear cart heavy: i despise you, but i despise my teammates more Every time I see a fully buffed heavy just sitting there with a wrangler nest behind him and a medic stapled to his ass, I know the game’s over. I hit him with two headshots and he just shrugs and keeps giggling like he's snacking on a sandwich mid-push. Meanwhile, our pyro's off taunt killing in spawn and the scout's W+m1ing around the health pack like it’s a 1v1 montage. I can only do so much, man.
>>732246273>made to be the most fair to fight, least annoying and balanced class>turns out to be the most annoying class in the game
>>732243014>Loadout numbers haven't been public in well over a decade. I'm literally saying just image search loadouts and see what commonly shows up. It's one thing to claim scorch shot is most used but claiming it's as much as 90% just screams "letting the thing live rent free in your head" because it's going to be that extreme. And I say the same thing about the kunai.
>>732238705>>732239028i'm a heavy main and i'm very normal and boring by 2026 standards, i just got tired of reloading rocket, grenade and sticky launchers all the time. Sasha is always loaded.
>>732243483>t. tiny baby man
>>732243483>>732248684Ironically Scout v Heavy always feels like both one of the most fair yet adrenaline-inducing match-ups in the entire game.There's nothing like dancing around a storm of bullets trying to land three meatshots.
>>732248912A pure scout vs heavy fight feels pretty 50/50 depending on whether you can get in that first meatshot before he reacts. Add overheals or the cart though and it gets way harder.
>>732248912sure is>zombie infection>last 3 survivors, we have minicrits>i'm family business heavyi was oneshotting scout after scout so fast and shrugging off their hits running between healthkits, felt like doomguy. warrior's spirit also fucks zombies so hard, for a few rounds i only used it and the zombies started running away from me. i used it so long i forgot i had guns. this pyro was kiting me and shooting fire from just out of reach, but then i remembered the shotgun and killed him. 10/10
>>732223067>simultaneously the strongest and weakest class in game depending on who is playing him and who is playing against him>even interp abusing spies have a hard time with legitimately good scouts>still get deleted by the direct hit and a heavy with more than two hours of game time
>>732226375>polyester traddie shirt
>>732236005nta but hes right, 98% of tf2 complaints are coming from the fact that spergs cant handle dying once in a fucking team objective game
I bought my first hat today.
>>732242804My favorite class is the spy
>>732243146Dear sniper: kill yourself, you game ruining fucking faggot. I mean it, find a bridge and throw yourself from it, in real life.
>>732247209I see I hit the nail on the head.
>>732249180True, but on payload it's like the Heavy will be distracted by shooting the team in front of him, leaving the scout able to ambush from behind. FaN can also blast him away from the cart.>>732250091Robin, not Gabe. He even has his own special Valve Rocket Launcher with busted stats.
>>732250616>thinking I was quoting GabeMY favorite class is the spy
>>732242631Why did they get rid of scramble in the first place?
>>732250879because mmr was supposed to create """balanced""" matches so it wouldn't be needed. how they thought that when the mmr system clearly doesn't work as it's supposed to I don't know.
>>732250879The matchmaking system works by reserving a player's slot on a team before they load into the map. The broken launch of VSH was the result of trying to force uneven teams.
>>732239361irrelevant garbage.
