So I'm on chapter 3 or so (i think). I refused to engage in the massacre, then I refused to rejoin the duke after dueling with Vyke. Now I'm in some weird self-righteous crusade to kill an ugly galgastani dude despite Denam's insistence that he hates war. I think I can tell where this story path is going. The problem is, I dislike the combat. I'm also not enjoying the story enough to put up with this very slow and boring gameplay. Is it worth playing to completion? I love Fire Emblem btw!
>>732229154>i dont like this game, is it worth playing?
>>732229154If you don't like the gameplay why the fuck are you playing it
>>732229890i was told the story was one of the greatest in gaming...
>>732230004Then just watch the story on youtube
>>732230264its not the same
>>732230852Keep being retarded then i guess.
>>732229154same... if you aren't enjoying it drop it. I dropped it when i was nearing the end. some of the boss fights get annoyingly hard and once i unlocked potd and went around 60 floors deep i realized i went that far in for nothing...
>>732229154I stopped after finishing chapter 3 chaos route just like you and decided to watch the rest on goytube, saving hundreds of hours worth of playtime but i admit i screamed kino when this shows on my screen.
>>732229154yes it's worth atleast 2 playthrough. The story is better than FFT desu.
>>732236826fft might be the most overhyped shit of all time. Recently played it on some chinkheld, the ps1 version and my god it was so easy and braindead, i think the only challenge was a early mission in some town but other then that easy, and the worst part was that the story was just okay...? like the knights ramza was fighting were in the right, yet we should protect the status quo because... reasons? but then the demon cult shit yeah we had to take them down but man it was so ass.
>>732229154>The problem is, I dislike the combat.I was instantly hooked. What don't you like about it? I'll agree it's way too fucking slow, hook Cheat Engine up to it and use the speedhack to put it up to 4x and it's much more palatable.
>>732229154>Refusing to engage in the massacreEnjoy the inferior storyline
>>732229154>I love Fire Emblem btw!based
If you don't like it just drop it you double niggerPersonally I lost most of my interest during the whole postgame shit where I'd just build my fuckers so they could autobattle through everything that wasn't a boss battle and at that point I was basically just sitting there waiting for stuff to happen
>>732229154I also bounced off this game at about the 10 hour mark because of the gameplay. I did like the stroy but the maps in this game are so bad and i just wasnt having fun with the gameplay
>>732237426CODA is also a gay wish fulfillment story that diminishes the verisimilitude of the world with time travel nonsense to fix all the problems in the story that showed the horrors of war.
>>732237508same. i recruited that one woman and got an achievement for it and never got back to the game
>>732237204
>>732237649Sometimes we have to make hard choices. This isn't one of them.
>>732237169Very slow gameplay as was said. The level caps also make the game artificially more difficul as I have to deal with tank sponges slowly running up to my units. All the maps are very similar as is the objective. Also, I just lack game knowledge. Like, my recruiting skill is always at 0% and even when i get near an opponent, its almost never even worth it since the chance just goes to 20 percent at best.And lastly, I wanted to recruit a cute fairy girl, but then some guest unit nuked her and that really dimmed my mood on the game.
>>732237772If you hate the level caps you can play the PSP version instead where the game will fuck you in the ass even harder for grinding by throwing post-game geared enemies at you.
Should have played One vision.
>>732237772>tank spongesAre you even playing correctly? in this game debuffs and buffing helps a ton, poison does hp% dmg, it's easy to land and ticks multiple times before your next action. Breach+Fear combo of terror knights diminish defensives a ton so that your archers can hit hard.
>>732238184Nta and while that information is correct it isn't communicated to the player at all and most people without outside info will ever know that you should be playing the game in that specific way.
No.>>732237146>fft might be the most overhyped shit of all timeHilarious considering this thread is about LUCT.
>>732238428Oh yeah dude LUCT is definitely more overhyped than timmy's first TRPG he played in 1997 on his Playstation 1.
>>732238371yeah but now that anon can test this out and see if it helps him out with the combat since he wants to experience the story.>>732238428LUCT is niche compared to fft, everytime a finalfantasy game is released, a tactics game is released, a medieval game is released you get millions of fft fans coming out the woodwork asking if this will be as good as fft. The same can not be said about LUCT
I've only played the psp version and I thought it was boring and easy. Some enemies took a long time to kill but I was never in danger.I gave canopus a bow and he was my main damage dealer. Also used a couple more random hawkmen, plus a bunch of story characters.I think it would have been more optimal to make most characters archers, since they would level faster, but I limited myself to one character per class. After beating the final boss my team was level 20.
>>732230004Definitely not. FFT story is pretty good (until the Demon), TO is mediocre.
>>732238029It truly is sad how many people will go their entire lives without trying the mod that transforms the PSP version of TO from a mess into the best TRPG of all time.
>>732229154>I love Fire Emblem btw!Explains why you're so braindead as to not only get filtered by pure ludo but also pick the chaoscuck path as well.
TO crawled so FFT could sprint
>>732229154I loved FFT so I played this recently. After 10 hours I just stopped. I don't like it nearly as much as FFT, probably because of the Job system. I really don't like how TO changed the job system to a weapon mastery system.
>>732229154>I love Fire Emblem btw!Here's some recommendations for games that are actually good then. >Reverse Collapse Generally considered the greatest SRPG ever made. It can get hard, so play on Normal or Easy unless you're confident, but if you can get onboard with a dystopian post-apocalyptic setting, it's an absolute masterpiece. It will haunt you. It will make your favourite games seem worse by comparison. >Banner of MaidThe FE-Fates mechanics improved and polished to perfection. Unironically better mechanics than any FE game I've played, and the way the unit balance shifts and changes throughout the game is incredible. If, like me, you're a fan of the Napoleonic era, you'll love this. HOWEVER: Should be noted that the once promising story falls off a goddamn cliff at the end. If you need a good story, that aspect will disappoint. I've often thought I'd like to speak to the Devs and ask them what the fuck they were thinking. >Unicorn OverlordA TO style game instead of a FE style one. Amazing visuals, very fun "programming" style unit mechanics, you have full control over every aspect of the battle how attack and when they use their abilities, it's great fun, even if you mostly leave it to defaults and tweak it every now and then. Very fun. Great characters too, with some heart and a good amount of depth. The story won't blow your socks off, but it's solid without any real flaws. Just a really fun experience from start to finish.
>>732239138>A TO style gameYou mean Ogre Battle.
>>732238534It absolutely is.
>>732239314We live in separate realities. Can I switch with you? I want to live in the reality where TO is brought up everytime a TRPG is mentioned.
>>732229154>>732239138And, by the same token, an anti-reccomendation.>Triangle Strategy Just an absolute disappointment. A game that wants to be a 9/10 and instead can't stop shooting itself in the foot with terrible, terrible decisions over and over again until it barely crawls to a 7/10.I could write an essay about all the ways this game is a let down. From the combat system that abstracts level ups so far that they are *only ever a negative*, to the debuff and card system which ensures huge amounts of your time just gets wasted, to the route splits that encourages multiple playthroughs but unless you make only retarded decisions on your first run, your second will be almost identical. Or the story, which for an absolutely inexplicable reason the writers decided to set in a world where it's impossible to kill someone without their consent. To the way every one of the main routes ends in a retarded "Fuck you" forced bad ending to make you do the Golden Route, and then the Golden Route is just the Benedict route with the forced bad ending removed. I could go on and on, but man, the way people talk about this game baffles me because it fucking sucks.
>>732239190I do indeed, my bad.
>>732239453Had better balance and challenge than the games it's based on atleast. Also I apreciated the lack of fantastical bullshit getting in the way of my political drama. 7/10 game.
>>732239421IT LITERALLY ISLUCT has a very vocal fanbase that constantly screams about how good it is when it isn't even half as good as FFT. That's what makes it more overrated.
>fire emblem faggot tries to play a real video game: the thread
>>732239138>Unicorn Overlordone of the greater games of the genre and GOTY 2024 imo. Fun, acceptable story and an amazing art style. Too bad atlus has a tendency to utterly abandon the games after the story end. It would have been great to have a ng+ or just a post game dungeon
>>732239656Maybe in the harcore TRPG circles that know TO is gas but i'm referring to the average pleb that doesn't even know TO exists.
>>732239891>Too bad atlusUnicorn Overlord is Vanillaware. Atlus publishes their games but there is 0 dev overlap between the two.
>>732239618>Had better balance and challenge than the games it's based on atleast. It's just a worse Stella Glow, honestly. And the NG+ mode might be the worst I've ever seen.
>>732230004It's as generic as it comes, if you aren't enjoying yourself just get out now why force yourself.The late game is literally you dungeon diving for 100+ floors, to get the best spells and equipment.
>>732240110>Stella GlowMight have to give that a shot. I've heard it's good but it's also locked to the 3ds and the anime aesthetic wasn't that appealing to me.
>>732240110>the NG+ mode might be the worst I've ever seen.What's so bad about it?
>>732240275Great characters, solid story, fun mechanics. Needs two playthroughs to complete, but the NG+ mode is good. But to my great surprise, there's no harem option even on NG+.I dunno if you'll like it unless you enjoy anime aesthetics though. But it's definitely a great SRPG.
>>732240382It adds nothing positive or fun for you to enjoy as a second playthrough and instead only makes the combat, which was already a tedious, slow, slog into an even more tedious, slow, slog.The fact that Levels are only ever negative and can never benefit you is almost unbearable by the end of the standard campaign, playing NG+ and making it even worse, with Levels being an even bigger detriment than ever, while the game goes "You can always grind to remove the penalty :)" is just ridiculous.
>>732240651That's fine since NG+ is usually pointless anyway.
When I compare the strategies I used in Banner of Maid, putting my units into formation, rallying them and preparing them to change down an artillery battery, putting everything on the line before I got blown to bits... to the absolute dearth of available tactics in TS, it just makes TS seem childish in comparison. TS was the game that finally convinced me that faction based turns (like FE) are just far better than speed based ones, even despite being able to do interesting things to modify your or your enemies speed. It wasn't fun, it wasn't interesting, having my units being sandbags during enemy turns feels terrible, and it's awful to play anytime you're outnumbered (every single map) since you never get into a flow of moving units, it's always move one unit and watch 4 enemies take a turn.
>>732240917>Banner of Maidas interesting as the gameplay sounds, the story plot and artstyle makes it seem like a derivative fan fic made by a teenage girl or strange american who wanted to put herself in the french revolution. Like one of those 'reincarnated as the villainess' stories.I don't like the sound of it.
>>732240917I don't really agree. The turn order system can have a lot of layers like equipment weight and how far you move/what actions you take affecting how long it will be until your next turn. It can be surprisingly deep.
>>732239138>Reverse CollapseI want(ed) to try this, but I don't play on PC anymore.
>>732230004There are fire emblems with better stories than TO
>>732239138>>Reverse Collapse>Generally considered the greatest SRPG ever made.Many people are saying this.
>>732229154I absolutely despise not being able to grind and outlevel enemies/missions to make super strong units. It makes the game such an insufferable slog. The original and PSP version weren't like that but it was an awful change in Reborn and genuinely ruins the game in my opinion. The pacing and mechanics were not meant to be this tedious.
>you enjoy THAT TRPG!??? Lmao you should try this one it's pure kino>google the TRPG I was just recommended>first image I see is an anime girl holding a gunEvery single fucking time.
I bought it thinking it was really similar to FFTA.it wasn't.big disappointment for me. It's collecting dust and I've made played it for two hours or so.
>>732241608>Someone using a gun in post-apocalyptic dystopia Shocking. Check out the gameplay next, or the overwhelmingly celebratory reviews
>>732239453I tried really hard to not get filtered by the sheer boredom of this game, but I just couldn't do it. It's incredibly dull and bland. I made it through some mission in a mine and couldn't bring myself to continue after.
>>732239138>Generally considered the greatest SRPG ever made.Yeah, I've played it 3 times since it came out and every time after I finish it, I sigh and think to myself there's not a better SRPG out there.
>>732229154>Is it worth playing to completion?Obviously not. Game gets grindy af. Like 200 fight dungeons, maybe more. Double it, if you want good gear that you need, as postgame everything out levels you, up to 27 levels
>>732241184I didn't get that vibe from it, but the story basically ends with every single one of the villains surviving and retreating away from France while swearing they'll be back for Round 2, clearly having suffered minimal losses. Meanwhile, France is basically wrecked and a whole bunch of characters you liked are dead. The fact that the game wouldn't even let us kill the Big Bad's henchwomen, or make her seem like she's suffered any kind of setback at all was just deeply unsatisfying.The gameplay was very, very good though, and the bonus objectives added a lot to it. Overall, I enjoyed my time with it, but I always warn about the poor story. >>732241268It should be, but what you lose in tactical co-ordination and simple game flow isn't worth it.
>>732241275They've said they'll release it on Switch, PS, iOS and Android. But, well, no sign of that. I hope they do, but I'm not expecting it.
>>732235870?>>732237426You play another game while they battle.>>732237551Denam is chosen and can manipulate time.>>732240114My biggest gripe with it. It's really nothing special, yet the best trpg there is. Tiresome, really.
>>732241704I don't even doubt the gameplay but these aesthetics are repulsive to me.
>>732241438>Many people are saying this.It's a pretty fun cycle I see play out fairly frequently. >Someone posts about how they've heard RC was good and they're checking it out on a whim>They then post shocked at how uncompromising it is, in story and gameplay>By the time they finish they've joined the masses raving about how it's *The* SRPG to play.
>>732237551CODA is only canon up until episode 2. 3 and 4 are explicitly non canon.
>>732238029>>732238727I was going to ask if the PC version was worth it.
>>732242552It is, but one vision mod fags always have a meltdown if you even allude to the pc version being good.
>>732239138I'm not seeing anything Banner of the Maid has in common with FE Fates mechanically just from the screenshots. Explain.
>>732229154Why are they so pretty and blonde here but ingame they're chopped and brunettes.
>>732241704>>732242087are you talking about reverse collapse? LMFAO yeah its a world were sexdolls get drafted into being soliders since it is somehow cheaper then specialized death robots. Honestly they harp on it being a great story but its only great if you are desperate for "great" and NEED it to have an anime aesthetic.
>>732242680Reborn has it's upsides but if you want a reason to actually engage with all of the mechanics then One Vision is the way to go. There are like 3 correct ways to play Reborn.
>>732242801propaganda vs realitydo you have no media literacy?
>>732242764The biggest and most controversial thing Fates did too FE combat was removing item breaking for anything except staves.The idea was that instead of having to always carry a bunch of Iron Swords and constantly doing inventory management across your entire army... your sword would just not break. And instead it had a system similar to "weight" in the earlier games. Some people liked it, some hated it, but it was dropped as an idea since and we're back to carrying 10,000 Iron Swords.Banner of Maid instead has weapon charges just like classic FE games, but they're *per map* instead of permanently. So, if you've got a super strong sniper rifle that can only be used 3x, you can use it 3x every map. This means you still have the balancing system of having weapons "break" while also massively reducing inventory management, the only fully consumable items are the consumables. And that instead puts the in game economy into getting big, specific upgrades. When you do get that awesome, extra strong Saber, you don't throw it into your bags because it's too powerful to use (Maybe you'll bring it out for the final map), you immediately equip that bad boy and go to town.
>>732243070You're clearly not talking about Reverse Collapse, you're talking about Girls' Frontline. And given that you got two big points wrong about GFL in just that summary- I don't think I'm gonna trust your review of either game. This reeks of random nonsense you've picked up third-hand, and then you come in to say the game's story isn't good.
>>732243272Relating to Fates because of no weapon durability is very confusing considering there is also no weapon uses in Gaiden/Echoes and Engage. The mechanic Fates is known for is it's refined version of the pair up mechanic introduced in Awakening.
>>732243070>game warns me it will be a very long amount of storytime and the game is entering visual novel mode>mostly skipped to this point but picked up enough of the main story and the characters to stop skipping and read it>worth
>>732243474I haven't played Engage and nobody played Echoes, so no clue there. I enjoyed Fates' pair-up mechanic, but that wasn't really emblematic of it at all. The weapon durability discussion took up almost all the air in the room, that's what everyone was talking about before and after release. Anyway, that's what I was referring to, regardless.
>>732229154Just go back to Fire Emblem sis. We have cuter girls there.
I like swords and magic, not guns. Simple as.
>>732244263Come home, white man.
>>732244373I'm sold. Thank you fellow white man.
>>732245012Based. Enjoy, friend! People can probably help you with builds or skills if you have trouble. The biggest issue though, is choosing between Eltolinde, Rosalinde and Virginia.
>>732245012Game is boring as hell. God damn gooners will buy anything if you flash some elf puss at them.
>>732245415Was fun on my machine.
>>732245291NTAMy personal choice is Eltolinde, but I went with Scarlett for my playthrough because I think she makes the most sense narratively, she made better use of the Maiden Ring for her build, and she's my second-favorite girlI got Eltolinde's figure to make it up to her
>I love Fire Emblem BTW!
>>732229154Story is really good and worth it imoWatch on YouTube if you're bored of the combat
I did not care for Unicorn Overlord.
>>732245742>First I'll ignore all the moustache twirling psychopaths in FFT>Then I'll ignore all the literal Demons, and the "Evil Church #2554441" that wants to summon them>Then I'll ignore characters like Pheros>That'll show those pesky Fire Emblem fans!Just like everyone else, I haven't played TO, so I can't comment there. But I don't have a lot of faith that part is any more accurate.
>>732246045You know how FFT has demons hijack the plot about halfway through?LUCT does that at the literal last battle.
>>732245742>also, argath is back again. he hates poor people even more nowkek
>>732245725My issue with Scarlett was perfectly symbolized in her Rapports with Eltolinde. She was so comfortable in her childhood friend role, she'd made no move to progress their relationship. Eltolinde and Rosalinde both give her shit for that, like "If you're gonna sit on your hands that's fine, but I'm going to make a move." And I thought that was good. In the end, I couldn't choose between the Elves, so I married Virginia.
>>732246094That's a bit disingenuous. The supernatural stuff doesn't "hijack" the rest of the plot it's just more or less the Dark Knights fucking around with shit they shouldn't be and accidentally unleashing a some spooky shit. It's like the end of Raiders of the lost arc.
>>732246381I imagine most players felt it was unsatisfying for the final boss to be against a random demon out of nowhere.
>>732246438>out of nowhereYou are given context for things like the Ogre War. Anyone somewhat paying attention would know this force of evil exists just thought to be dormant.
>>732246094Not really, an ogre is the final boss but that's more a callback to Ogre Battle and the Dark Knights are at their core just some evil bastards who want power.
>>732245742>hurr durr look how deep my characters are, don't you feel bad for killing them
sex
>>732230004Only if you kill off the people at the beginning. Otherwise, the other routes are just shitty fanfics. Also it isn't the greatest story, but it's good. FF tactics is better in every way.
>>732247802Great argument. You've completely convinced us it's better for villains to be one-dimensional.
TO good FFT bad
>>732251973TO bad, FFT bad
