What is keeping SMT from being a more successful creature collecting RPG, despite it being one of the best on the market? Especially compared to the franchise that shall not be named.
Too hard(lol) too edgy, especially in the music department, story too convoluted compared to shit like >muh teacher is a paedo or >killing is BAD, doesn't have a consistent release platform, it went from snes to ps2 to 3ds to switch, and just now hit the PC market. All of the protagonists are jojo tier gay looking, and there isn't a funny mascot character.
MultiplayerBut the systems itself arent suited for that. See SMT Imagine and Dx2
People will blame stuff like lack of story or difficulty, but I think a big factor is that SMT demons are more like temp contract workers that you pump and dump instead of wholesome pet-friends. SMTV took some steps into making you interact with your demons more and give them more personality, which was a good change imo.
>>732231861It's kept deliberately undermarketed since it's about summoning demons to do your bidding and attacking and dethroning God. It's literally everything Christian fundies in the 90's thought Pokemon was and more
>>732232067>doesn't have a consistent release platformThis is honestly the biggest reason.
>>732232067take it back, ho
>>732232136I'm hopeful for the future now that they saw VVs sales on PC.>>732232219No, Jack Frost is shit, and not exclusive to SMT mainline. He's an Atlus mascot not the game itself.
>>732231861It's the one thing Atlus still keeps relatively difficult. And being a turn-based RPG it's too complicated to find success in the way Dark Souls did, which is ultimately very easy to pick up and understand. A lot of poeple just get frustrated and quit after the Minotaur or the Hydra.
>>732231861Whatever they are currently doing they should keep doing it because I don't want my favorite franchise to become more popular. Look what happened to Fire Emblem.
>>732232305>I'm hopeful for the future now that they saw VVs sales on PC.Given that smt vv sold over 2 million copies.I see no reason why smt6 released multiplatform on day one wouldnt sell really well.
>No, Jack Frost is shit
>>732231861Where the fuck is SMT6?
>>732232507>Whatever they are currently doing they should keep doing it because I don't want my favorite franchise to become more popular.I want it to be slightly more popular so I don't have to wait a decade for each mainline game
>>732232613Uh huh so wheres persona 6?
>>732232329I kinda chucked about the last sentence because there's several games where the Minotaur could have been the early game filter. Off the top of my head, I was thinking SMT4, DDS: Megami Tensei, and Majin Tensei.
>>732231861SMT will always be niche since the occult is niche, and so are difficult JRPGs. The characters and stories aren't as likable as Persona's, SMTV was awful in that department. IV seemed to have much better writing, but it was also stuck on the 3DS.
>>732231861When a game starts appealing to normies, it loses what made it good in the first place, because it’s trying to attract an audience that never wanted to play it to begin with. You want a game to stay niche enough to survive, so the developers keep making it for the people who actually play it and like that kind of game.
>>732231861Isn't SMT V selling millions even before counting Vengeance?
>>732232578The team that would/should work on it is the Atlus Maniax team. The last thing they released is RAIDIOU: remastered. They haven't announced anything since, so maybe they are working on it.
>>732233260>They haven't announced anything since, so maybe they are working on it.Isn't it reasonable to assume they'd be working on the Raidou sequel remaster first?
>>732233028I don't buy into the idea that making something more accessible is always bad. A big part of why I like SMTV is that the devs were smart about what things they should and shouldn't compromise on. I like SMT to be difficult and niche, but stuff like making the UI more informative and helpful doesn't detract from the experience for me, it just makes it more pleasant to play.
>>732233446>they'd be working on the Raidou sequel remaster first?Yeah, probably if Raidou sold enough. Not sure if it did.>RAIDOU is a title that we would like to continue to promoteTeam Maniax Director and Producer Kazuyuki YamaiBut it sounds like from the year end messages they don't even know.
>>732233708I never played Raidou back in the day and would have bought the remaster if it wasn't 50 fucking bucks, especially when its only including the first game, I'll get it on a sale.
Canon
>>732233869and it is censored. Lamia has scales over breasts and there is dark void for Artemis's skirt.
>>732233487I fucking HATE the items that boost your stats and let you keep the same demons forever. Its antithetical to SMT. I dont like the way they did the overworld and the dungeons were shit too I hope that gets better but I don't hate it.
>>732233998You're never getting enough of them to matter until the end of the game, it just makes fucking around in NG+ easier to do
>>732233880I recognize that artist...
>>732234664yeah sure you do
>>732233260I want a IV IVA remakeI NEED a 3d Nadja module
>>732232067>Too hard(lol)It's not that hard if you look up online for the strategy you need for whatever boss someone is struggling with
>>732232067>>732232136>doesn't have a consistent release platformIt's this, Atlus need to get their shit together and port all the games to PC.
>>732232329I got hard filtered by the Minotaur in 4 but the Hydra was easy as shit
>>732231861it's not really a "collector", they're just disposable fusion fodder
Digimon and SMT failed because coomers designs don't appeal to the general audience
>>732232067SMT soundtracks are great, all of them. 1-3 and SJ have simple stories. 4's story is all over the place. 4a is Persona lite. 5 is just not good.
>>732232067Smt stories are almost pokemon tier simple
>>732238346That's a good thing, not every JRPG needs to come bundled with a visual novel. Just give me a general premise and world and let me press turns, you can have lore shit on the side for the people who want it
>>732231861>series is filled with heavy religious/occult references and themes which scared the publishers and localizers away in the 80s and 90s>reputation for being "hardcore" (though this is playing more into the series' favor in post-Dark Souls age these days)>takes a century and a half for a new mainline game to released>not really collection focused, expected to treat your demons as fodder>no multiplayer component
>>732232067>All of the protagonists are jojo tier gay lookingNuh uh, the demonica adds at least 100 points of heterosexuality.
>>732238309>>732238346I never said the soundtracks were bad. They're outside the relm of normies though compared to shit like FF or Persona. The stories are also on average more complicated and convoluted than mpst JRPGs. >>732238861I don't really consider SJ mainline, but he wasn't who I was talking about regardless. The character art for the protags in 1 2 3 4a and 5 are more who I meant. >>732236473Yea but that goes for any game, and not everyone wants to be bound to an online guide to beat their game.
>>732231861It insists upon itself
>>732231861I love her so much...
the idea that every mainline game needs to be set in Tokyo is stupid
>>732231861There is almost no interaction with your party of demons, plus the fusion system makes it almost impossible unless they overhaul it.
>>732231861I don't know, but it annoyed me in SMTV how scaling necessitated fusion. I wanna use the guys I think are cool. You can't get attached. Similar problem with Digimon.
>>732239161The backbone of P3's OST is J-Rap, I don't see why that would have more (or less) appeal than the techno/rock/metal of something like SMTIV.
>>732232067In retrospect, most of SMT has always been on Nintendo consoles, save for Raidou, Nocturne and DDS in the PS2 era.Once the PS3 released they retreated to portables since they weren't experienced enough for HD development. Unlike certain devs, they actually managed to adapt thanks to Catherine but damn if they don't take their time now.
>>732240241Idk, I personally like a bit of varietyI like games that allow me to use whatever I want, but I also kinda like what SMT and Digimon doI like having to rework my team from time to timeAnd also I'm more attached to the monsters as designs than as individuals, if it makes senseIt satisfies my brain to have new designs replace old ones as I progress in the gameAnd I'll like a monster more if I choose to have him because he was the right choice, instead of having to brute force it to win because he's not that great but I thought he was cuteI don't expect everyone to see it that way but I'm kinda more than happy throwing my goobers in a blender to get a stronger one lol
>>732231861>Goddess of fertility and harvest>Portrayed by some flatchested bratWhat a sick joke.
>>732239497If... and Strange Journey are mainline, it's just that if the game takes place outside of Tokyo it gets a subtitle instead of a number
>>732232067>Too hard(lol) too edgy, especially in the music department,This is why I love the series. I hope it never becomes mainstream. SMT is like the last edgy series left in this faggot world.
>>732232067>>732243682SMT really isn't that edgy, it's just japanese. It mainly seems edgy to westerners due to christian culture and values.
>>732244147Compared to the faggy slop being released these days it is super edgy. And I disagree. It is quite edgy.
>>732231861seeing how persona is gonna be using the same assets from SMT, i dont think they're gonna have to worry about budget any time soon. meaning, we can keep the community pretty small and enjoy the kino games they'll keep putting out. :)
>>732241389It can feel at times like demons are just functions. Like Mermaid is the Hydra killer. It also kinda under cuts even giving them unique passives or attacks.I remember not being as bothered by it in Azure Dreams, though. I don't know, maybe if you weren't pushed to fuse as often.
SMTV would have been a much bigger hit if it had a good story and less deserts
>>732231861>smt>dark and edgychoose one
>>732247460>smt would've been good if it had good story and less gameplayjust play persona, bro
>>732244631Damn brat needs Murakumo correction.
>>732231861I only played mainline up to 3, but it lacked the training aspect. 1 and 2 didn't let you level your demons up at all and while 3 has some of that it still heavily encourages fusion. I personally don't mind that, but casuals want to pick one monster and keep it on their party forever
>>732231861HARVESTO!
>>732231861The final dungeon in every SMT game I've played has been a boring slog and at least half the time I get bored and never finish. They have a bad habit of using up all the content before the game's over, so you go into the bottom 1/8 of the game already at max level (or very close to it) with no demons left to catch and no sidequests or story left to keep you going, and they try to make up for it by adding a fuckload of annoying shit like one-way doors, teleports, etc. I enjoy autistically mapping and exploring dungeons, don't fuck with my process by constantly moving me to a random location or dropping me through invisible holes or one-ways. If for some godforsaken reason you still want to do that, at least have some gameplay left for me to spend my time on.
>>732250752The only game I've felt this on was 4A, where they very much intend it. No other game have I ever even gotten close to max level naturally.
>>732250835They very much intend it? Huh?
>>732251063It's the only game they clearly intended you to hit level 99, by dumping shitloads of xp on you in the final dungeon and most trash fights being at that level, including YHVH himself.Every other megaten I finish around 70 at best without serious grinding
>>732231861SMT hasn't been good since the original strange journey.
>>732231861I mean the writing is dogshit for a start. RPGs with dogshit writing are a dime a dozen, good writing would make it stand out
>>732232067fpbp
>>7322514572 and 3 had superb writing They just need to find a new way to present their stories because it’s getting old now
>>732233880For some strange reason my balls are feeling pain when looking at this image.
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>>732255008SJ's biggest flaw was not allowing me to romance her.
>>732231861>Japan MC vs Western MCwhat a butt of a joke. stop pandering to trannies
>>732255729>stop pandering to japan and pander to the american insteadevery fucking time. kill yourself.
>>732231861Demon negotiations suck
>>732231861Too edgy and hard for normalfags.
>>732231861Several reasons.>judeo sabotageThe og SMT was about Bolshevik-jewish conspiracies and demonic sabotage. This kept on in spirit for the other mainline games, mostly also because judaism is the only serious demon worshipping religion. Jews who own golem countries will obviously sabotage it, though without too much care.>difficultyThis is the reason why Persona Q is baby's EO and and the mainline Persona games are piss easy. The games are simply too difficult for the proles. This is despite the fact that compared to most dungeon crawlers they're in fact not difficult at all. The average knuckle dragger literally cannot beat SMT V on normal, despite it being the easiest mainline SMT to date, and the fact that Aramasa spam can carry you through a normal playthrough without even engaging with the systems.>status effectsStandard western JRPG players will never use debuffs or status effects. That's simply a fact. My brother who is a Tales and FF fag quit EO IV early on despite having access to an Arcanist who can shut down mist standard encounters without effort (this is the easiest EO game btw, ask him to play Dark Spire and he'd die of a heart attack).>occult shitMost of the occult stuff in SMT is skin deep, but still required to understand where the game is coming from. A standard normie doesn't know the difference between left and right handed magic despite that shit being the like kindergarten occultism shit. To a more schizoid retard like me of course Mammon would be seeking Rah's crown, of course there's no way you could ever trust a storm deity (demon), and of course Beel is the most loyal (or really only loyal) demon from the Key of Solomon's ranks, of course the tower of Babel is a ziggurat. This is all basic stuff that makes the games make sense, but go completely over most player's help.
>>732258348>blobberDungeon crawlers simply aren't popular enough. You have to streamline them and make them not appear as dungeons for normies to enjoy them. A Metaphor hallway is more easily digested by an average player than EO III's very simple (but fun) second layer. Ironically they also have more tolerance of mindless grinding and toil, but that should he of no surprise, seeing how Minecraft and other crafting games are so popular. Men want to stay out of Eden, they must bring toil with them even in their fantasies.I don't play games btw.
>>732231861it isn't kid-friendly or waifu pandery enough
>>732258491>kid friendlydevil children/demikids was a pretty long running subseries(lasted from 00 all the way to 11) and even had multiple anime and manga(although some episodes that are lost media now).>waifu panderingThe franchise was always full of it. SMT2 especially goes pretty hard as far as mainline goes.
What's your favorite SMT track?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnDnxdNQ87Y
