Let's ponder on Onderon. What is it about this particular planet that makes it so fucking boring? Whether I'm listening to a Beast Master droning on about the history of his people, or discussing visa regulations with a council functionary, I feel my concentration slipping and my brain preparing for sleep. I submit that it's the worst of the planets across both KOTOR games.
>>732271007shit taste. the actual garbage is telos, by far the worst planet out of both games. onderon is kino
>>732271093I suspect that the people who complain about Telos have not been making use of the fast-travel system provided at the info terminals. If you eliminate backtracking in this way, there's nothing offensive about Telos.
>>732271007It's not OnderonIt's Dxun Telos > Nar Shadaa pt. 1 > Dantooine > Korriban > Nar Shadaa pt. 2 > Onderon > Dxun > Telos surface > Malachor V
>>732271007For me it's Malachor. The conclusion of the game is dramatic, but everywhere I'm going feels the same, it's misty canyon to misty canyon to misty canyon to crypt to crypt. Grey Korriban is a better name for it.
>>732271007The sad reality is that most of KOTOR 2's new planets are lame and not fun to navigate or linger in. Onderon unfortunately seems to be the most butchered cut content wise aside from Malachor so it just feels like a lamer Tatooine.>Beast MasterGod these mfs are so lame. I'm yawning just thinking about it.
>>732271007I completely forgot about this planet's existence
>>732271007I don't think any planet is bad in these games. The only truly bad planet is M4-78 and that's a mod.
>>732271007Visas acts really out of character on this planet too.
>>732271007Its every planet in kotor 2. Unfinished garbage.
>>732271481I made a mistake in the OP, they're called Beast Riders. But it doesn't matter.
>>732271751How's that?
>>732271007The worst part about kotor games is the combat because at some point there is no brain input and navigating the menus is a chore. Everything neat about the game is in dialogue options and seeing the worldTherefore my ranking is:>darth hungry's ship>G0-T0's ship (for making the combat slower by removing the mc for a portion, also the minefield is annoying)>Malachor V>Onderon finale>DxunThe peak of kotor combat is spamming force storm so you can skip all the tedium
>>732271909She's still in her sith girl persona instead of being redeemed by niceness and kindness. Supports Vaklu, cantina carnage, etc. I think they just did bits of Onderon very early in development.
>Hello there and greetings from Iziz and Onderon->I am a diplomat from Queen Talia on Onderon->The Ithorians have negotiated the export of flora and fauna from Onderon-onderon is kinda cool bc its in a civil war and whatnot, but its much less fleshed out than something like nar SHUT UPa kotor 1 candidate might be... manaan ig, all the worlds in that game are very interesting>>732271447true now that i think about it>>732272178true now that i think about it 2
>>732271007I really like Kotor's clean look. Replayed both games recently with some basic upscaled textures mods and it still looks very nice, aged a lot better than many games from 2008-2014.
>>732272178There are problems with disjointed character development all through the game. If you have high influence with Atton, he will tell you all his dark secrets about halfway through the story, meaning he no longer has anything to hide from you. If you later join Kreia in the Force "listening" exercise that allows you to hear the thoughts of the Ebon Hawk crew members, you come across Atton rehearsing pazaak strategies and engineering information in his mind as a defence against psychic intrusions by jedi, which seems to serve no purpose given that he has already taken confession with the player character as his priest.
>>732273063I could see Atton still doing it out of habit, but also because of Kreia instigating some blackmail scenarios. Even if he trusts you, he probably doesn't trust the other jedi, especially Kreia.>>732272178Visas simps for you specifically. If you're a bad bitch or literally jesus it doesn't matter because you're showing your strength, as long as you aren't bullying her.
>>732273063On my recent playthrough I triggered Revan's hologram and subsequent Kreya's "betrayal" scene very early, right after Peragus, and it was so funny out of context.
>>732273457Visas still disapproves if you and her are both lightside and you tell her to watch her aim in the cantina fight.
>>732273457>>732273650
>>732271007look how cool the outfits of the guards on the left are THOUGH, i hate how we can never get to wear those fuckkk
>>732274021Coincidentally there's a mod that swaps jedi armors in the OP with Onderon uniforms, I saw it on deadlystream in the skins section.
>>732271007Honestly after I found out you couldn't romance the tomboy jedi I uninstalled this garbage ASAP
>>732271007All of them because the combat is unplayable dogshit and KOTOR is the most overhyped visual novel ever made.
>>732274360its obsidianslop, the devs are scared of romance and sex. you do have some form of autistic asexual bonding with handmaiden (intimate fights while you're both in underwear), and with visas (intimate meditation together) but it goes nowhere and kreia at the end confirms their destinies and futures are doing shit without you. which is a shame since both handmaiden and visas are top tier waifubait
>3 corridors separated by loading zones>"wow its a whole world"WRPGs were in dire straits back when bioware was considered good
>>732271007I think about replaying this game so often but the combat is too basic. Feat spam and a status effect here and there. No challenge and no variety.
>>732274518The>Oh, Master, I love you, but I hate all you stand for! But I think we should go press our slimy, mucus-covered lips together in the cargo hold!type of romance was perfected in the first Kotor, Obsidian chose wisely not to one up Bioware in their own game.
>>732274685bastila is a cute tsundere waifu and hk-47 is jealous that she won the revanbowl
>>732271007It was weird that this happened on Onderon in the past but it's kinda cool
>>732274617Unironically it's autistic for you, the whole fun of kotor combat is reading damage breakdowns in the combat log, but few players even know it exists.
>>732274518>>732274685Kinda feels like that was a very intentional part of doing a deconstruction
>>732271007https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWdCpYse1EsHey can anyone ITT plz give me a starport visa???
>>732275426Nah Obsidian was already retarded about romance in video games, they hate it because it plays into the "power fantasy:
>jedi consular >described by the game as hard class to play >streamroll everything with force lighting What did they mean by this?
>>732277513Well KOTOR II was entirely about subverting the power fantasy wasn't it? Goes far beyond the romance.
>>732277967You need a triple digit IQ to figure out that you should put points in wis/cha.
>>732278039exile is literally as gary stu / mary sue as it gets, revan would realistically in solo combat lose to both sion and nihilus, sion is practically unkillable and would keep attacking while nihilus would just devour him entirely. exile is also a war general, if on a ds run goes around and kills every jedi master in the galaxy as if they're random lolcows, and is as OP as you can get without ruining the game. The writing is so shit that if anyone except for MC exists, the triumvirate inevitably wins as no one else can stop them. Obsidian is just filled with autists that hate romance and letting the MC have a waifu, but I was fine with that until they started adding lesbos and fags companions while still not giving MC anything.
>oh you want fun?>sorry we subvertedly deconstructed your expectation
>>732274518Honestly the meditation "sex" scene with Visas is very sweet and tender. Very well done.
>>732271264There's a fast travel system?
>>732273054Yeah, the Old Republic/Prequel aesthetics actually look cool in video game format. In the movies they look like they belong in a video game.
>>732278265>exile is literally as gary stu / mary sue as it getsThat's the point tho innityou go all like "wow I'm the hero :D awesome" and then Kreia and the Jedi Masters explain that you're an abomination and people are drawn to you not because you're so awesome but because you have an unnatural influence on them
>>732274685corrupting bastilla is based as fuck and never gets old
>>732278715Why did you write>KOTOR II was entirely about subverting the power fantasythen when you acknowledge it's a power fantasy, and no kreia telling you that you are a wound in the force and inherently manipulate others with your awesomeness doesnt change the fact that you're a gary stu, that's writing on the level of fanfiction when you desperately want to keep your OC as OP as fuck so you give him some meme drawback that in reality does nothing to disadvantage him
>>732278847>then when you acknowledge it's a power fantasyBecause it's not. Being a wound in the force is not portrayed as desirable or heroic. It's not a "meme drawback", it's the point. The Exile is a mirror of Revan. Revan was a power fantasy, Revan was awesome, Revan had a dark past, Revan pressed his slimy, mucus-covered lips to Bastila's in the cargo hold. The Exile is powerful but at the same time pathetic; like the Sith Lords they face.
>>732271007I liked exploring Onderon because I'd read a book set in that place beforehand, so it was really neat seeing how they translated it into a videogame.
Revan should've pressed his slimy, mucus-covered lips against Bastila's cargo hold.
How much Malak dick do you think Bastila took during her corruption?
>>732279401Problem is Exile never feels like that depending on your playthrough, and you are very much so able to not feel like that with the dialogue options you're offered. You could choose the route of having Exile be a PTSD ridden war general who's tired and fucked up, you could also just pick the options that make him feel like he isn't affected by anything at all with Atris, Kreia, and all his other conflicts and resolutions. I just disagree, I never really felt like a LS Exile feels like he's doomed as a wound in the force or that the Sith Trio beyond being deranged is really pathetic, sure the galaxy is in a overall bad state, but the Sith have a huge advantage over the Republic and Jedi Order that are in actual state of atrophy and destruction with no real hope in sight. I think I could probably get myself to rationalize it in some meme english lit major way why you don't get romance in K2, but in reality I don't need to do that since obsidian writers have multiple times in old forums said they think romance is icky and player pandering. It literally just boils down to that, like a kid not wanting to eat broccoli.
>>732279856You can say it was comparable to Kreia's... indignities
>>732278847>>732279401Also of note, Revan didn't just get the girl, they were also a celebrated hero of the Republic who played a decisive role in the war against the Sith - or retakes their position at the head of the Sith army. The Exile faces the demons of their past in the ruined arse-end of the galaxy and is forgotten by everyone. >>732280004>obsidian writers have multiple times in old forums said they think romance is icky and player panderingBut it's the same thing. The same fundamental reasoning.
>>732279856Not as much as the amount of Revan dick Juhani took during her redemption.
>>732271007Peragus is the worst offender, way too much backtracking and dialogue hunting with the voiceprint ID bullshit. Onderon is pretty nice, actually. I liked solving the murder mystery. I love Manaan the most even though it's probably the shortest or 2nd shortest planet in the games. The music is so relaxing and I could stare out at the oceans all day.
>>732280354>redeeming JuhaniCringe. I just killed her every time.
>>732271007Onderon is kino compared to the snorefest that is Citadel Station. Everyone shits on Peragus, but I'll take that over helping the Ithorians or Czerka.
>>732271007The worst one was Korriban in kotor 2
>>732280514>I SHALL BE YOUR DOOM!>ACK
>>732279695Perhaps I'm gooned out but when I first saw Bastilla, her clothes were skin-colored enough that it looked to me like a naked apron or tabard with nothing underneathI was all like "WHAO holy cow how did bioware get away with this?!?!??"But its just a weird tan jumpsuit or something.
also while I'm at it, FUCK Nar Shaddaa. If it's your first time playing and you don't know what to expect, you probably don't put too much thought into building Atton properly. The game basically fucks you right in the asshole by forcing a dedicated ranged character into fighting two extremely powerful melee characters at the same time. Fuck you game
>>732280967Every time I resort to the cheese tactic of>run around in circles>spam mines>spam healthpacks>maybe get one lucky shot in
>>732280967You can make Atton into a jedi at this point though
>>732280967It's a good spot to use all the mines you've collected up to that point
>>732272076>The worst part about kotor games is the combat because at some point there is no brain input and navigating the menus is a chore.Yeah it's a shame since the encounter design in KOTOR 2 was good, but the gameplay could be quite tedious and the difficulty tuning wasn't great. With a few fixes to the interface to allow for better control and movement more like the original Infinity Engine games, it'd be more enjoyable than the weird pseudo third person console controls we ended up with.
>>732281161the male version of this would be>Are they mine?
>>732281064or you can just run behind the bar
>>732280967It's why I always leave the bulk of Nar Shaddaa as the planet I do inbetween Dxun and the 2nd visit to Onderon. I go to Nar Shaddaa to talk to the guy who tells you about Atton's past and get some extra influence with him if I need it, make him a Jedi and come back when he's strong enough to curbstomp the two Twi'lek sluts.
>>732281161Unpopular opinion but I always thought both Atris and the Handmaiden completely mogged Bastila.
>>732278574exactly, it's explaioned to you via silent text but that may as well be a blink and you miss it moment. Just another reason why Telos is trash even though they tried to put on a band-aid that didnt help.
>>732271336>Malachor VMalachor V is depression kino and serves its purpose.
>>732281514few moments in games can match this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPt2a3R0o9s
>>732280967I got them to stop chasing Atton by immediately fleeing and then positioning him in the corner on the other side of the room. That broke off their aggro, giving me some breathing space and allowing me to heal, shield, and then attack the sisters separately. But this may have been a glitch.
Dxun was awesome - exploring the spooky ancient Sith temple is probably my favorite part of KOTOR 2. You got spooky sith lightning crackling on the floors, ancient rituals taking place, i'm pretty sure there was a lake of blood somewhere - idk I just remember a lot of red. The whole thing was great
>>732280967>be light side>don't get the fucking wookie>have to fight off the entire space mafia with some flimsy bitchAt least the wookie nigga could basically one-shot everything when dual-wielding swords.
>>732271007Kotor 2 was shit. Not a single good planet.
>>732281598I loved that you can choose which people go in each party for that mission.
>>732281382KOTOR 2 just mogs KOTOR 1 period
>>732271264Telos is fucking boring. Especially compared to Taris in 1. Taris in 1 is the best world on either game and I say that as someone who vastly prefers 2 to 1.
There's no need to pit Kotor 1 and 2 against each other like we're comparing Fallout 3 and New Vegas. They are like Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, they complete each other and end up being among the best games ever made. KOTOR 1 and 2 and easily the best star wars games
>>732271751Visas is just demonstrating how based she is. Supporting Vaklu is just anothet reason why she is the best girl in both games.
>>732282326I have a strong preference for 2 over 1, but you're absolutely right, anon.
Amazing that there isn't a planet in these games that someone doesn't think is absolute shit, they were made by Bioware and Obsidian, the second game wasn't even finished, and we can all come together discuss them like adults, reminisce, and praise everything they did right
>>732271007Good thread OPEven the lame wordplayWe could use some more of that unabashed spontaneous whimsy on this board but the kids are too scared of being called "reddit"
I like the trial but the water planet in 1 is insanely boring to navigate. At least most of 2's worlds have the excuse of being horrifically unfinished box zones
>>732284171The Water Planet picks up when you're in the underwater base and suddenly becomes a spooky game.
>>732282473Visas is just pure sex
>>732285917She's traumatized and depressed. Interesting how her story is somewhat similar to Exile's but darker.
>>732286851all of her problems can be solved by my penis
>>732287764Excuse me. Thats my wife we are talking about.
>>732280967I fell into this exact trap on my first playthrough. Literally all you have to do is walk behind the bar counter, that's it. The twilek sluts pathfinding is broken and they stand still for the rest of the fight. "Nice game" I thought to myself. "Bounty hunters could be here"."With a space freighter, you can go anywhere"
>>732284171Manaan is fun but I agree they really should've trimmed the surface zones size by 1/3 minimum. lots of empty space that was unnecessary
>>732284171I loved manaan. Imagine my shock as I descend from the ebon hawk with my team, load up on stims ready to fight, walk forward a bit and a fish person bureaucrat comes out to welcome me and asks for parking credentials. KINO
>>732286851Visas is a random victim of a mass genocide. Jedi Jesus is a space war criminal. If anything, Jedi Jesus is more like the guy that murdered Visas's planet.
>>732280967Nat Shadaa is weird.Story wise, judging by the Dxun intro, it is clearly supposed to take place prior to Nar Shadaa because once Atton becomes a Jedi, he tells he wont do any more of her requests (keeping the ship repairs postponed until after you are back from Onderon being an example).Yet you get like 3 party members there and they all have a shit ton of influence options on Dxun/Onderon. Plus the dxun/onderon level files are high numbered than NS, implying its a later level.
>>732279695I remember being a kid and unlocking Bastila and immediately taking her clothes off and jacking off like an ape
>>732288827lol'd IRL that's exactly what I did too
>>732288757I think you can blame that more on the quirks of how easy it is to make atton a jedi because in pretty much all other respects it's pretty obvious the game intends for nar shaddaa to be your first post telos stop the only real question I've seen in peoples planet order is whether they do dxun/onderon or dantooine after nar shaddaa
>>732288827>>732288994>Tattooine>disguised as sandniggers>get into their fortress>disguise blown>party strips to their underwear>didn't realise you could do that until this point>make Bastila walk around without clothes for the rest of the game
*whispers* ...yes, general?
>>732281382I kind of like how all of Atris' problems stem from her wanting dick and not knowing how to deal with it.
>>732271007I must be in the minority because Dxun/Onderon is my favorite arc in KotoR II
Which planet had the quest where you're a defense lawyer and the light side choice is to just fuck up and get him convicted? That's the best one.
>>732289240The bounty thing continues into Onderon and it makes no sense once G0T0 is a party member (iirc you can actually break the visa quest by having g0t0 in the party and telling the bounty hunter to back off). Onderon 1 makes sense to do first before NS, but the game actively penalizes you for it. NS also has you see Kreia actively working against you just like Onderon 2 does, which is beyond just her typical plausible deniability of early levels. Its kind of odd to have her do the Hanharr scene that early in the story.
>>732290123Manaan in 1. That is objectively the evil path though because it makes the republic look bad. The greater good is gained by framing the sith and letting the murderer walk.
>>732290006a lot of crazy jedi/sith women's only problem is lack of proper dickingatris would 100% chill out if someone (like me) gave her a series of orgasms that took away her ability to walk for a while
>>732290271I just think it's really funny that the game frames actively sabotaging your client as the action a jedi would take.
>>732290006If Jedi Jesus was so bent out of shape because he got kicked out of the order, he should've stuck his other lightsaber up Atris' cargo hold instead of just jamming one in the council chamber centerstone. He'd be readmitted in a second.
It's very strange that in an RPG where you have 1) Force powers that include the jedi mind trick, used to distract enemies and impose your will on civilians, 2) a variant of the mind trick that affects animals, and 3) pazaak, a card game you can play for big money, there is no way to use the Force to cheat at cards. It's such an obvious ability to include, all the more so when you consider that Qui-Gon was using the Force to cheat at dice just a few years before KOTOR released, yet both Bioware and Obsidian chose to leave it out.
>>732290403jedi law and morality take precedence over local planetary law, it's entirely in line with the universe and avellone wishes he could come up with something as subtle as that
>>732290590>pazaakMan. I hate that game in 1, but the changes in 2 actually made it kinda fun. Being able to run out the clock and win was a game changer
>>732290590You can in 2. You can force persuade the Champ to lose.
>>732290734kapershyn wishes he could write dialogue that doesn’t make the MC sound like a mentally handicapped eight year old
>>732290904shepard was based and kotor1 was meant to be a star wars adventure, not an edgy contrarian anti-star wars faggot wank fest
>>732290590What are you talking about? You can use the force to look into the future (particularly in Kotor1 where the game is a piece of shit rigged against you) and decide to never play a round of pazaak that you know you're going to lose.
>>732291327Every single dialogue option you are given to respond with Jolee and Juhanni is the single cringiest thing ever.Thats not even getting into shit like repeatedly talking about how the wookie that killed the slaver needs the *PAY* for his crimes (complete with asterisks in one instance) or shit like “Wow a twilek that speaks english :D” or “I WANNA BE A JEDI GUARDIAN! :DDDD” or “I WANT A BASILISK WAR DROID! :DDD”
>>732291619Don't you go start talking shit about Canderous badass war stories now. Any reasonable chad wants a Baslisk
>>732292139>reading comprehension failureLmao. Perfect. No wonder you think that writing is acceptable. You can barely read.
>>732292546Hey I'm actually agreeing with you that Jolee and Juhann are the worst party members, and Kashyyk is the worst planet, but lets be real, if you didnt pick that basilisk dialogue option, you're not a real man.
>>732271264I used the Terminal Transit system recently and even then Telos is just kinda boring. Both the station and the endless robo dungeon. The actual planet surface is really pretty and nice to walk around on.
>>732292546you are talking to different people niggerif you think kotor1 dialogues are cringe, you haven't ever watched the original trilogy or the 1-3 saga or even the nu-wars sequels. Stop being so fucking edgy and serious all the time you stupid nigger
>>732282473There are many good reasons why Visas is best girl. Never regret having her with me. I also use a mod that allows me to side with Vaklu without killing Kavar since I love the final confrontation scene with the Jedi Masters too much to miss it.
>>732271007Onderon is too short (split between dxun) and forces you to fight the master if you want to support Vaklu. Dantooine made the ending cleaner and with more variety. Anyway, Nar Shaddaa and Korriban are cool
>>732292738Juhanni is the bioware token “white people are evil! Apologize to me for being white” character. My guess is David Gaydar wrote her because she is basically Fenris from DA2. Jolee isn’t terrible but every single dialogue option you have boils down to “fuck you I hate you and want you to die!” Or “Golly gee whiz old man, you are sure are old!”
>>732286851She was literally created so that motherfuckers like me can go>I can fix her
>>732292984I was considering getting that mod, but apparently I have to also generate a bunch of AI lines to go with it because the mod author is a luddite.
>A mod was just posted to the nexus that makes Visas more buxom
>>732288827Yeah I did the same thing.
>>732293053I dont like Jolee because he talks like he's le pragmatic neutral jedi but he's just another goody two shoes at the end of the day
>>732273054Kotor is clean and comfy, much easier to get immersed into than anything from these days.
>>732293496He is basically an annoying Hipster, its true. His character is largely inoffensive though. The only good characters in 1 are Canderous and HK47. Bastila is only good for sex appeal.
I think the wookiee planet in KOTOR1 is kinda bad. One huge corridor with the forest at the bottom.
>>732293496because he's a more classical grey jedi in that he is still mostly a moralfag but didn't agree with everything the order taught, particularly on romancepeople tend to mistake that for the more modern interpretation which is muh moral greyness, darkness with light etc. etc.
>>732273969Neat, I hadn't gotten to the cantina yet and didn't remember what to say to her from my last playthroughs
>>732293652>The only good characters in 1 are Canderous and HK47Giga based and true, they're real niggas to the end.
Taris> Tatooine> Manaan> Korriban> Kashyyyk> Unknown World> Star Forge=DantooineOnderon> Nar Shaada> Dxun> Peragus> Battle for Telos> Dantooine> Malachor> M478> Korriban> Telos
>>732274518While I absolutely love that game and Kreia, the ending is such utter trash that I reject that reality and substitute my own.
>>732294150what is your headcanon kotor2 ending anon?
>>732278740Too bad Malak already did most of the heavy lifting.
>>732293832Thats not the actual reason why he calls himself gray. Its because he is even more holier than thou than the fucking Jedi Council. He is mad they showed him mercy for fucking up.
>>732294196Not that anon. But my headcanon is Jedi Jesus and the gang going off in the Unknown Region to finish the fight. I reject SWTOR canon completely.My headcanon is he finds the true sith and severs their connection to the force so utterly they eventually become the Vong.
>>732274685The best romance in video game history. Game devs are niggers for not copying this.
>>732294196Jedi Jesus, who I have creatively named Qui Gon Jin picks up all the surviving companions from Malachor V, including Bao-Dur and the 2 girls, and proceeds to Telos where he finishes off Atris by spanking and fucking her. He also makes a proper Jedi Academy there to make sure the next generation of Jedi are slightly less retarded than the previous one.Obviously lots and lots of handholding missionary with Visas. Got a whole planet to repopulate after all.
>>732294225>Its because he is even more holier than thou than the fucking Jedi Council. He is mad they showed him mercy for fucking up.because he was right and that's a big point of both kotor games that the jedi council most certainly wasn't infallible. why did jolee get mercy for blatantly defying the rules and causing such a big fuckup when so many others didn't? why is it a rule in the first place if he can flaunt it so blatantly yet still be forgiven?but that circles back to the original point of this is back when grey jedi was still a jedi just not part of the order, he does fit that idea
>>732277513Thank god we can use AI to finish what Avellone would never touch.
>>732294091The Unknown World is such a strange anomaly in the kotor games, I genuinely don't if I like it or hate it. It's both the most filler area ever but also the most lore important. One thing for sure tho, it has the most gloomy atmosphere. It's as gloomy as KOTOR 2 is and I don't know if Bioware intended for that. At most, I guess it's the closest thing bioware did to an original setting in this game.
>>732294538He was shown mercy because he was genuinely contrite for his actions. Most people who they didn’t were not. The Exile, example is largely locked into being defiant when they passed judgement on him.
>>732278574The terminals, you can download the local area map and after discovery, travel to another terminal.
>>732278265>a ds run goes around and kills every jedi master in the galaxy as if they're random lolcowsNeed a mod that turns Vrook into Chris Chan and replaces all of his lines into Chris Chan lines.
>>732280465>and dialogue hunting with the voiceprint ID bullshit.Just blow up the fucking terminal and the door opens you daft cunt. The only bad part of Peragus is that it doen't feature Visas yet.
>>732294956Or you can just trick HK50 into mimicking the voice. I am pretty sure it automatically succeeds.
>>732280546Yeah Citadel Station is complete trash, wish we spend more time on Telos proper instead of that fucking robot dungeon. At least you can get off the station pretty quickly once you know what you need to do.
>>732281161>>732281227It was fun messing with Atris as Dude Exile. She wanted him to have angry sex with him so bad
>>732294751he didn't actually change his beliefs though since he still tells you plenty of heretical stuff about emotion/attachment/love, just regretted that his actions got a bunch of jedi killed since he couldn't kill his wife so submitted himself to council judgementand I think we're downplaying the level of mercy he got, IIRC weren't they going to promote him to knight too? like imagine such a massive fuckup and they not only forgive you but promote you.
>>732280967Once I get to that point I will put the diff on easy and the back to hard once the sluts are dead.
>>732295196She wanted to have angry sex*
Dantooine is the worst. There is>starport where you talk to two people>khoonda where you talk to three people>scav camp where you talk to two people>enclave ruins>merc camp where you talk to two people>crystal caveand NOTHING else
>>732271007Kotor is a very boring series. Highly overrated games.
>>732282326I liked 1 well enough as a teen but I will never replay it nowadays. But I am glad that it exists since 2 builds so flawlessly on its lore.>>732295020I know the option exists but in my last playthrough I couldn't convince him to actually do it.
>>732295610I like the battle at the end :)
>>732295214Love and Jedi are spicy mix and Jolee is in a position where he regret what happened but never thought that the Council's stance of just taking a cold shower is worth a damn or would've prevented anything bad that happened.Unfortunately he doesn't have a direct solution beyond telling you to stop and think before fucking someone. I did get a chuckle out of being able to tell Brianna that having a romantic relationship is called "pulling a Bindo"
>>732295610Dantooine relied extremely heavily on memberberries for kotor 1>member this planet and place you were at last game? here's what it's like nowKorriban had a similar idea but the added demerit of being blatantly unfinished with barely any content
>>732296036>blatantly unfinished with barely any contentIt's intentionally barren and was supposed to be the Dxun equivalent for the droid planet
>>732296016the Jedi could easily function if they just realized there's *good* attachments - friendships, healthy romantic relationships, etc. - and *bad* attachments like abusive relationships, inability to let go of connections, etc. it would be far healthier to teach a padawan that it's okay to get into a relationship but to know that all things will pass eventually than to just try to force them into denial only to have some go wild like baptist kids on a drinking binge. but that would also take out one of the biggest issues with the order that so much conflict stems from so I doubt it'll ever happen
>>732296036>unfinishedWhat exactly can you add to the probably most war torn planet in the galaxy after Malachor V? The cave was already amazing with the apparitions and flashbacks and the Academy is too destroyed to even make it as big as one of the Sith Lord tombs. Beyond that, what is there even to do on Korriban that wouldn't be busy work?
>>732293496He's not neutral he just doesn't like the Jedi Order. He's still unabashedly on the light side and makes no attempts to hide that.
>>732296385>What exactly can you add to the probably most war torn planet in the galaxy after Malachor V?how about the sith tombs and making it into a dungeon crawling planet? That would be cool. I remember being extremely salty on my first playthrough that you couldn't explore the tombs, now inhabited by sith horrors beyond human comprehension
Taris > Tatooine > Korriban > Dantooine > Manaan > Kashyyyk > Unknown WorldPeragus > Onderon > Dxun > Nar Shaddaa > Dantooine > Korriban > Telos > Malachor
>>732296353Problem is that relationships aren't always clean like that, you can have both kinds of attachments appear in the same relationship. It also means that the Jedi would have to get involved in the whole social structure to even know how to navigate it. Like how can you avoid a good relationship turning into a bad one. Then there is the fun question of what to do with any children that are produced. Having entire Jedi dynasties sounds like a bad idea.>>732296496I get that part but the fact is those Tombs are more ran through than bonnie blue. Even if you could enter them you'd find fuck all since half the academy was involved in ransacking the place.
>>732296142>It's intentionally barren and was supposed to be the Dxun equivalent for the droid planetwhich is the problemit would be one thing if they actually did m4-78, but instead it's the most forgettable planet imaginable. well in fairness the cave stuff is good>>732296385I imagine they could have easily reworked the planet if the intention was for it to be more detailed. have more explorable sith tombs. maybe have the academy functioning or semi functioning, some treasure hunters or ambitious rookie sith scattered throughout the tombs.
>>732296496>one big dungeon connecting all the tombs through underground tunnels>every tomb with a monster/force apparition (drawn to the sith energy) boss fight and powerful loot>finishing the entire thing grants you a whole sith warlord set and lightsaber that gains extra damage with every dark side point you havekino. Imagine if you could get a similar reward for finishing the jedi temple instead of talking to a huge gay nerd at the end
>>732271007the visa begging row right at the gates was obscene thank fuck i ognored them and sold it later for the crystal
>>732296698I know the Tombs are fascinating but even during Kotor 1 they had been looted 1000 times. Finding anything at all was already a massive cope when you were playing Revan.I suppose Obsidian could've created new Tombs, something that only Sion or Nihilus knew about which explains why the Exile finds it first after them.
>>732290006It’s especially funny knowing that the Order post-Exile made sure to permit one night stands to sort out this issue - so long as you had no lingering attachments that would distract you from your duty afterwards.
>>732296891I ended up modding the shit out of korriban for my game.I ported over the tombs from 1, I installed the korriban expansion mod, Inported over Quannon’s old sith temple and I repurposed and some of the Brotherhood of Shadow canyon and temple modules. Korriban is basically one big dungeon crawl now.
>>732296684>Problem is that relationships aren't always clean like that, you can have both kinds of attachments appear in the same relationship. It also means that the Jedi would have to get involved in the whole social structure to even know how to navigate it.it's not realistic to expect every relationship to be perfect but it's the difference between it being more likely that a jedi with zero experience goes down the dark route versus 1/10 or 2/10 going to the dark side over it. Honestly there have been enough jedi in romances over the years the whole prohibition is flimsy nonsense as is that serves as a plot device for conflict, in the old EU Luke's order did away with the restrictions and it was hardly the end of the world.>Then there is the fun question of what to do with any children that are produced.if they're force sensitive train them if not the problem is solved. dynasties wouldn't be an issue so long as the jedi were kept removed from politics.
>>732297153Upload it you cunt.
>>732297193Cant. I don’t have permission.I would love to share my massive KOTOR expansion but I built it modifying Thor’s ported modules, Quannon’s modder resources, the Jedi Temple mod, modules from Brotherhood of Shadow. Plus AI voice acting which is also a big no no from that community.
>>732297327
>>732297394Although it’s probably too big, I would gladly catbox or whatever it. I don’t want credit, I would just want to share it anonymously. On the other hand, I know this would turn the modding community vindictive and they would badmouth my mod, causing most people to avoid it on moral grounds.
>>732297502Why care about their opinion if you don't want credit to begin with? Are you talking about other mods from you or are you afraid to fall out with them?
>>732280967There's a bar table he can use as a cover, and shoot in absolute safety.
>>732297591No, its not personal repercussions for me personally, its that the average joe who plays KoTOR 2 would blindly avoid my mod. It would be like Cathalan which nobody ever played, but everyone just knows its terrible. I personally don’t give a shit about gaining clout with modders, but if I were to share it, I would want people to be able to play it not blindly avoid it because “oh yeah, thats the mod with all the STOLEN mods incorporated into it.”I wish that modders just in general would take a more communistic approach to this. All mods should be able to be repurposed but you must give credit to the creators (which I would happily do)
>>732297850I literally blame society. Overall virtue has fallen so low that the world is full of people who will get off to any form of power once they have it. The guys you talk about sound like they are tripping so fuck'em.Post your mod and even if there's only a dozen people who use it, you can consider the world to be a better place already.
>>732297850>avoid it because “oh yeah, thats the mod with all the STOLEN mods incorporated into it.”As someone who frequently makes use of mods, I have never cared a bit about the identities of the modders or the issue of attribution. When I'm on a site like Nexus, I often don't think to look at the name of an uploader. I am interested solely in what the mod can do for me, not who made it or the means by which it was made. And I think I speak for the majority in this matter. Only modding community insiders care.
I hated the water planet because I don't know why but my game crashed once I reached a certain spot
>>732298035>>732298284Is there a site where I can anonymously upload like 2gigs? The mod adds all the kotor 1 planets essentially along with around 50 side quests and related voice files.
>>732298451make a burner gmail account and upload it to google drive
>>732298284Same, the only time I care about a mod author is if I like some of his stuff and wanna see if there's any more suitable for my taste.
>>732298643Hmm. Maybe. I still need to stop adding shit to it. I am not opposed to the community “circulating the tapes” like they do for silent hill PC fixes and whatnot.
>>732271007I recall it being fine
>>732271007the tiled floors with high antistrophic filtering makes this planet look really really ugly
>>732288251
>>732298819quit blue balling us
>>732303338Maybe keep an eye out on future threads. Its pretty rough though. My bias towards Visas will be pretty obvious. I also need to figure out balance because I am pretty sure that most fights are too hard (it started out as a bounty hunting mod which took a classic SMT fiends approach to targets). It also assumes you are playing as male exile, especially in the shitpost side quest encounters.
I'm surprised this game and the first one haven't been remastered yet.
>>732304491You can blame Aspyr for hiring Sam Maggs who was rewriting the game turning Bastila into a lesbian among other things. She apparently went so full retard that Aspyr had the project taken away from them.
>>732304491the remake has been getting cancelled and renewed for a while now. Everyone loved it so they have to rape it and drive its legacy into the ground extra hard with extra diligence. Supposedly even turning saul karath into a black woman wasn't enough, they wanted more and harder
>>732304491Saber, guys from Space Marine 2, are remastering Kotor 1 now. But not Russians who made SM2, but american division
>>732304636You're memeing right?Bastila, who had the entire character arc of "I want Revan's big sith dick and will constantly seethe about not having it" is now a lesbian?
>>732305226Nope. That was the plan. You may remember Sam Maggs as the woman who made the female Ratchet a lesbian, and made the albion girl from Fallen Order/Jedi Survivor a lesbian
>>732306196There was already a dyke in KOTOR though. We don't need another.
>>732306837Well too bad she is optional, so you’re getting more, and Canderous will inevitably be changed to a gruff wholesome chungus like the krogan from Mass Effect Andromeda.
>>732271007Attacking the palace is fun or it isnt i dont remember i havent played this for about 20years
>>732274518I seem to remember the handmaiden looks innocent and proper but has lingerie on
>>732307073You should replay it with the restored content :-)
>>732271007Flat layout
>>732271336onderon and dxun's finales both drag though
>>732282473Sex with Visas
>>732308368
Noobs go to DantooineReal gigachads go to Nar Shadaa and force Visas and Brian to dance in skimpy outfits so you can steal a garbage short saber while the Jabba character and his crew sleeps
>>732308142Avellone's personal scandal personalizes some of his writing tendencies. Not that he really did anything wrong, but the somewhat indulgent sexual side of KOTOR 2 I can now look at and go "he just like me fr" rather than the whole thing being some black box. I hope that scandal doesn't make him self conscious about his writing. He's very good.
>>732277513Pick-a-waifu shit is always garbage. Romance only works when it's deliberately written between two actual characters (not a player self-insert) and an integral part of the plot.
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>>732309021
>>732271007they really should have made kotor 3
>>732310284
>>732310450lel
>>732310382>babylon 5man, that was so fucking stupid
>>732311326i'm using that next playthrough
>>732283014KotOR games are weird in that I can mostly only think about things I don't like about them but I've still replayed them a ton of times. They somehow manage to make a good experience out of bad gameplay mechanics and questionable writing.
>>732312569Jedi Jesus will always be canon in my heart
>>732312830
>>732312830When disney shoahed the Expanded Universe, that means we now decide what is canon.
I dreamt of Malachor again...
>>732314327
>>732271007It's funny. I'm rewatching The Clone Wars and the Onderon arc there is a boring drag too
Post the>NOOO you can't justKreia already
>>732293496>Doesn't understand Star Wars awardAbsolutely hopeless people.
>>732314631George’s “totally original the whole time” idea of what star wars is changes based on the time of day. Also he was in the epstein files.
What color lightsaber do you choose, anon?
I forgot lightsaber styles were a thing and never switched off of Makashi
>>732314889Red, like a laigrek's eye
>>732314889/v/ is an orange lightsaber board
>>732314889Viridian is the special snowflake choice so i always picked that
>>732314889Viridian because I like green sabers but >>732315071
>>732315171it's been awhile but I think the Viridian color is truly unique, as in, I dont think any NPCs in the game have that color afaik
>>732314889
>>732315529kek rollin
>>7322710072's planets were just weak across the board.
>>732315471Cyan might be the same, though I could have just gotten it and regular blue mixed up>>732315529Rolan
>>732315471Do any NPCs in KotOR ever use orange or bronze?
>>732315529Not to be edgy but the red lightsaber is the most aesthetic one in most cases followed by the violet one.
The most speshul OC donut steel lightsaber color is white/silver and all anons know it.
>>732315656There were far more interesting things going on. Kotor 1 had to resort to “evil czerka being mean” twice. I even side with them on Tatooine because fuck the sand people.
>>732315774>Master A'non, why do you use a red lightsaber when you're a jedi and your light side points are maxed >Aesthetically it really goes with my outfit
>>732315774sentinel yellow is the correct answer
>>732315529YELLOW LIKE PLO KOON IN JPB
There's a Legend Plo Koon could use a light side version of Force Lightning that he called Electric Judgement
>>732271447To be fair, it is dead
>>732316971they got that in battlefront kyber, i think he just uses dooku's power tho
>>732318343God damn he is so cool
Who's got the bigger dick? Revan or Jedi Jesus?
>>732319485Meetra Surik is a woman so, Revan does
>>732319556Literally who?The Jedi Exile is a man.
>>732319639
KotOR2 is a better game when Atris falling to the dark side is explained by her immense craving for the Exile's dick. Trying to force FemExile as canon literally makes the story worse.
Revan is a male and uses a purple lightsaber. Single, or dual sabers, main hand purple off hand red.The Exile is Jedi Jesus and uses the silver lightsaber, single only.anything else is wrong
I dont know what it's called but the descriptions of force abilities getting stronger and secondary skillsets attached to some of them were a nice narrative addition. Like Force Heal is good onit's own but having some expertise in medicine boosts it for obvious reasons. Stun Droid is fine on it's own but in conjuction with demolish you can get with of mines.These kinds of things are neat and I wish more games used them. Like if you're some fire mage with experience in cooking you cook food faster or make food more efficient because you're just more knowledgeable with fire or something.
>>732316051>“evil czerka being mean”I mean kotor 2 isnt really different in this regard.
>>732320476Funnily enough. The game does not consider Czerka to be evil. Both the Ithorian and Czerka endings are labeled as “good” internally in the files. By comparison, the Vaklu and Exchange endings are labeled as “bad” internally in the files.
>>732271481>Onderon unfortunately seems to be the most butchered cut content wise aside from Malachor so it just feels like a lamer Tatooine.Actually iirc Onderon/Dxun is the only feature-complete planet. It's just a very linear, segmented planet by design.
>>732277967It says "Advanced players", which just means you need to know what your spells do instead of expecting to unga everything. It also only has a d6 hitdie and struggles with the various optional battle circles.
>>732319556Daily reminder that Meetra Surik as a character was shoehorned into the story years after KOTOR2 released.I'll also never forgive those faggots for cutting the Atris vs. Nihilus duel where she gets completely destroyed and her soul munched.
>>732319742Why is everyone so attracted to Atris when she looks and sounds like a grandma?
>>732315529silver or cyan or viridian because I like being a special boy
>>732271007Taris is really the worst world.
>>732321368As far as I know there was never a “atris vs nihilus” outside of promotional art. Everyone knows that she was somehow supposed to be potentially the final boss though. She has recorded lines for her own version of the party attacking Traya, but the party doesn’t.
>Hey, there. What can I do for you?
>>732322692>I can think of some things, and most of them involve the butt
>>732321968Iirc, there were some of her lines that were never voiced and just kind of floated in the game files. No one who participated in the making of the Restored Content mod knew where to put them, so they never used 'em.
>>732271481I stopped playing Kotor 2 when they had you run around for an hour on some ugly og Xbox flat texture brownish grass field.I don't know why this game got the reputation it got, the tutorial was the most boring drawn out shit I ever had to endure, but fine, maybe it gets better.Then you are forced into some boring ass appartment block and have to stick around for an eternity.Then you go to some shitty empty ice planet.And then you are forced into that brown grey grass field killing enemies over and over again.>le best written videogame ev0rWhen? I mean I am sure it probably gets good eventually, but I will not suffer through the most boring empty nothingness just for some okayish writing for videogame standards.Say what you want about the first KOTOR, at least that one had insanely good timing, the only boring part was Tattooine.
>>732323168>800x600What's going on in that thumbnail?
>>732323334People really like the mining facility on the first time due to the atmosphere (they skip it via mods on all other playthrough because its so linear) and right after that brown plain your on the writing aspect really kicks in and just keeps going.Really the parts outside of the writing are carried by the gloomy atmosphere the game has and the gameplay is purely run off of having advanced build autism with combat encounters to test them against.If your playing the game to have a easygoing time where you see the sights and progress at an even pace its pretty shit for good chucks of the game.
>>732323168lol
>>732319885nahrevan is an autistic super genius female who doesn't know what sex is and the exile is jedi jesus with a harem
>>732304863>but american divisionI'd rather wait until I can remake myself using AI
>>732324401>the greatest military tactician to ever live in Star Wars is a womannobody could suspend their disbelief that hard.
>>732324490what part of autistic super genius do you not understand?besides, revan being le ebbin tactician is such a minor forgettable thing
Women can't do anything but produce babies.
If Revan was such a learned jedi and badass sith then why did he spend all his spare time losing at pazaak
>>732324568>besides, revan being le ebbin tactician is such a minor forgettable thingThat's like Revan's entire character. I don't know why people act like the games hype him as some uber powerful super Force user when they portray him as a charismatic military leader.
The Force owes me a miraluka wife.
The Force owes me 15/- energy resistance
>>732327398Mirelurks make good wives.
>>732274685>>Oh, Master, I love you, but I hate all you stand for! But I think we should go press our slimy, mucus-covered lips together in the cargo hold!I can only read this phrase in ironic HK-47's voice.
FOTOR will not give us cute alien gfs
>idolizes/idolized revan>filled with anger and regret and frustration and sadness about everything in her life>first introduction is having turned to the dark side (after the jedi tricked and manipulated her)why can't i corrupt this stupid cat dyke
>>732293862At least this option is very nice and in character
>>732281127>to use all the mines you've collected up to that pointI don't know, maybe Atton vs Sion is a part of restoration mod, but this is where i use all mines. I lure Sion behind the column, so he stops, then i start unloading all mines i have. Do you know, that there is a limit on how many mines you can put exactly at the same spot before you have to move at least a bit? Anyway, several minutes i finally place the last mind and finally lure Sion once more. Before that i take my headphones off - once i made a mistake of not doing so and got ALL THE REVERBERATION right in my ears.
>>732328586Yes the fight is from tslrcm
>>732328372>Visas always like "nooo you are not ready to face my master. he's just too stronk and you're a pussy">Jedi Jesus strolls in to the Ravager, buffs up, and beats his ass>no need to sacrifice Visas because Nihilus is actually a bitch and all you have to do is punch his lights out
>>732328740I still think it's cute how she wants to protect Jedi Jesus. Also her fears are warranted considering how she encountered Nihilus
>>732271007Onderon's great. Kill yourself.
I remember the hot twilek twins in nar shaddar and i was disappointed i had to brutally murder them
>>732313718don't worry they are coming for kotor next
>>732329378They're in the secret main menu
>>732293135You can fix her quite literally.
>>732271007>The worst KOTOR worldIts Malachor and its not even close. That whole planet was shit out at the last minute because Obsidian had to get the game to market and they needed a final level. Its just a bunch of dull hallways where you fight generic enemies. There are no interesting battles aside from the final confrontation with Kreia. Its crap. Onderon is a masterpiece of design in comparison.
>>732329940The cave areas are useless, the Ebon Hawk should have just landed near the Sith Temple and immediately fight Kreia's Sith troopers and other sorts of dork side users until Sion.
>>732329940>here are no interesting battles aside from the final confrontation with KreiaThe Sion fight is cool though, it should have been longer to really hammer the point in.
>>732329834>pic of the screen
>>732329793Sexo
>>732329940>>732330048>The Sion fight is cool thoughGranted. The final temple section where you fight Sion and Kreia and Kreia's goons is fine. As the other anon said the cave section leading up to it is just a complete waste of time and should have been cut.
>fight this angry wookie with this bitch you never used all game and couldn't even make a Jedi because no influence
>>732328740iirc, his anticlimactic fight was story-justified somehow? he ran out of planets to eat or something?
>>732330638Kreia baited Nihilus into coming to Telos by giving him false info about a secret Jedi academy on the planet through that Onderon colonel. There was no one there except Atris which left Nihilus hungry and weak.
>>732271007my game save got corrupted on onderon so yeah it's the worst
>>732330638It's because Nihilus is special for being able to Force Drain the shit out of anything (to his own detriment). But Jedi Jesus is immune to being Force Drained due to the trauma of Malachor ripping up their connection to the Force. Jedi Jesus is a hardcounter to Nihilus who steamrolls literally everyone not named Jedi Jesus.
is it worth replaying these games but going fully in on the dark side?
>>732330970Dark Side in KotOR 1 is almost parody level puppy kicker.
>>732330856>Jedi JesusNah I'm using babyface whitemeat Jedi exile
>>732330970Gameplay-wise K2 DS is much more powerful and fun- DS mastery gives raw damage bonus instead of useless +3 CON or less powerful +3 STR- DS crystal gives better bonuses for lightsaber damage- assassins get full 10 ranks of sneak attack instead of like 7 watchmen get- etc etcBut story-wise many DS choices are juvenile and tryhard edgy and not at all fun.
>>732331153That's a problem with pretty much every game that has some kind of morality/karma system: the bad options are always just pointlessly edgelord.
>>732330503Mira is a better jedi with more scout levels then she starts with, she only wants like 6ish levels of sentinel for force speed3 and enough force power to spam it and she just proceeds to pew pew pew with double blasters.
>>732287882Our wife.
>>732312849geg
>>732331153DS choices should just be rational self interest, rather than unprompted sadism. I think it would be a lot more compelling if players were occasionally surprised by some of their choices turning out to be DS.
>>732330970Not for me since for one, Kreia rightfully calls you bloodthirsty retard if you just farm ds points and for the other it's just much more satisfying to have the jedi masters assembled on Dantooine.
>>732314889I always liked green lightsabers after ROTJ.
>>732314889Single Blade. Blue. The heroic guardian's, the main protagonist's, the chosen one's color of choice.
>>732315529I liked the silver/white and the cyan sabers.>>732316798Based JPB enjoyer.
>>732319957>Stun Droid is fine on it's own but in conjuction with demolish you can get with of mines.Wait is that why I have the option to do it to some mines, but not others? I didn't know Treat Injury made Force Heal better either.
>>732331523I really like the theory that the 3 sith lords in K2 represent each prestige class:- Sion is Sith Marauder, and his dialogue is all about rage and fury- Nihilus is Sith Lord and he's all about force hunger- Kreia is Sith Assassin and she's all about trickstery, subterfuge and manipulationWith this in mind Kreia's dialogue sounds rational on the surface but always has a hidden manipulative layer, and the peak of DS option would be for PC to sound and act in a similar subtle way. Instead all we get is Sion's rage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua1HZRP-xh4
dark side in Kotor1 was hilarious since it's literally [x]EATS BABIES type shit. Also the final planet before the Star Forge let you finally prune all the Good Guys in various wanton ways.meanwhile Dark Side in Kotor2 has Kreia calling you out on being a retarded bloodthirsty thug but your companions also get Dark Sided too due to the Force Bonds. Goth Mara was kino but if you were committed to Dark Side before Nar Shadda you could get the Wookie slave and enjoy having a violent rapey pet dog.
>>732330503I've never understood the bitching about Mira being worse than Hanharr. She's great if you put a modicum of thought into building her: give her levels in Scout until she gets all her shooty feats, spec into two weapon fighting and rapid shot, then make her a Jedi for Knight Speed and access to lightsabers if she needs to melee. She's the best Demolitions expert in the game and an excellent candidate for a Jedi gunslinger build. Even without Jedi levels, you can still do well with dual pistols.
>>732314865>Also he was in the epstein files.who wasn't
>>732332776me
>>732332561Hanharr is just easier to pilot and more straightforward for how to build.
>tfw did an everyone Jedi with minimal non-jedi levels possible run
>>732332921Welcome to every play through I did until I realized how stupid it actually is.
>>732332561Yeah, Scout is a really fair and balanced class>d8 hitdice>feats every 2 levels>gets Precise Shot feats for FREE, giving her free blaster damage and deflection penalties, and Close Combat to reduce the ranged vs melee penalties>gets Targeting for more attack bonus, like she needs it with 16 base DEX>all three saves are Fast progression, and she gets Evasion to make half-damage saves into negation saves (doesn't really matter with the game's encounters, though)>same skill points per level as SentinelIf you're not abusing Sneak Attacks she's a fucking monster, and even if you are she's still pretty good.
>>732332827laugh at this loser
>>732332976Hmm?
so what is the best way to play this now in 2026 AD?I beat both of them like 20 years ago
>>732333048Everyone is better off investing their early levels in their initial class, saving them all for jedi levels just leaves them off as worse for the trade off of mostly useless force powers since force speed is the only real power they want.
>>732333121https://kotor.neocities.org/modding/mod_builds/k1/fullhttps://kotor.neocities.org/modding/mod_builds/k2/full
>>732333226last time i checked these lists they were full of garbage as fuck mods>AI generated upscaling sharpened slop that makes shit look terrible with super intense textures on old low poly 3d models>restores shit or "bug fixes" shit thats very debatable whether it should be changed or added and whether it improves the experience>has tons of just straight up cringe mods like adding diversity to the game and of course it means adding bipoc folx, has skin changes that make female models have less pronounced buttcheeks in some armors/outfitsTSLRCM is made by a retarded furry porn addict, and sniggaroo the plebbitor might be the most annoying and pseud person on the planet. Tread carefully when using shit made by them, this is not like Viva New Vegas, a lightweight heavily perfected list, it's some autistic retards idea of adding whatever cool mod he finds on deadlystream.
>>732332921>tfw never bother making the party jedi because listening to their constant complaining gets old.
Is there a mod for KotoR2 that just removes all the influence bullshit?
>>732333461Just max it with save editor
>>732333048Not him, but Jedi classes aren't that good and they break progression of things like Echani Strike. If Master Speed wasn't a gamebreaking piece of garbage it would probably be meta to keep everyone in their original classes.
>>732333365Seconding this. A lot of the mods are strictly unnecessary, though I will say that while the AI upscale texture stuff can look a bit hit and miss with the models, it does generally give the game a nice facelift. Maybe I just have no taste though.>TSLRCM is made by a retarded furry porn addictI had no idea. I only ever played it with the addon that reverts some of the more egregious changes. The Droid planet was fun for a novelty one off playthrough but I don't recommend it to anyone since it's very tedious. Honestly a lot of KOTOR mods are just shit. No-one has bothered to fix how atrocious most of the in-game armour looks, and the "stylised portraits" mod, that I hoped would add cool hand-drawn portraits for the characters, looks like this.>>732333461There's a mod called Easy Influence that I think just makes the checks auto succeed.
>>732333627>Echani Strikepeople actually use unarmed?
>>732333646i wish they'd gotten more time and worked on fleshing out companion interactions and especially their corruption on a dark side runsmall things like force choking mira was kino
>>732333675This also includes Sneak Attack, Scout's free Precise Shot levels and Bao-Dur's insane skill point gain.
>>732333646I don't fuck with AI upscaled textures at all, I like to match low poly models with equally low poly textures personally. And I don't think TSLRCM is that bad, it's definitely worth a playthrough if restored content sounds interesting, I just hate the idea that K2 is unplayable without it or that it should be treated as canon, and some of the people working on it or generally involved with deadlystream are incredibly insufferable. But that mod list is for sure absolute bloatware and it's also too overwhelming for casuals, installing all those mods manually and with tslpatcher would take like 2-3 hours at a minimum to do it properly without accidentally fucking something up since most of them will need manual interference with deleting some loose files too to avoid conflicts. It's such a retarded bloated list now compared to early days that it makes me wonder if Snigaroo got terminal brain damage since covid.
>>732333646>looks like this.
>>732333675KOTOR 2 is a relatively easy game. If you've played through it enough times, it eventually gets boring just having everyone running dual wield builds with swords/lightsabers or pistols. >>732333790That's understandable. I'm giving the "ULTIMATE [Location/NPCs]" mods a try for this most recent run since I've never used them before, but aside from that and restored content, my modlist is pretty sparse. I think I installed one that makes companion default clothes better as armour since most other armour sets look like ass, and another one that lets you recruit both Brianna and Mical. >>732333880Here's the rest. I can't work out whether everyone looking about 5-10 years older than they actually are was intentionalor not.
>>732333783I never train Bao-Dur to be a Jedi. He can't wear robes and his DEX sucks, so I just let him stay as a Machinist or whatever his class is called.
>>732334215Why would a guardian need dex
>>732333675i should try an unarmed runor rather, finish the one i was doingfists are alright, even on the exilehowever, maybe thats bc i cheated to level 50 to have me and my enemies at their best... lol
>>732334393Defense. He can only wear up to medium armour and powers like Force Speed are restricted by armour, if memory serves.
Bao-Dur Blaster Build 2026.
>>732334606You're right. I forgot that I always use the mod that gives companions' default outfits very good stats and never take them off.
>>732334758>>732334758>I always use the mod
>>732334690>Pump Dex>Have him craft scopes for +ATK>Jedi buffs to boost his statsIt could work.>>732334758Yeah I've been using one that does the same thing. The "K2 Companion Starting Armors" mod on Deadly Steam. This run is the first time I've tried it so maybe it'll be different and I can make him a Jedi.
>>732332561>I've never understood the bitching about Mira being worse than Hanharr. She's great if you put a modicum of thought into building her>Meanwhile Hanharr>do nothing>pop wookie rage buff>delete everyone in the game in 1-2 attacks
>>732333646What kind of warped mind would envisage Mira in this way?
>>732335094A self-inserting troon
>>732335070Yeah but that's boring, and you can't corrupt Hanharr. >>732335094We simply can't have nice things. I was hoping someone had made a mod that was similar to the portraits from other RPGs (pic related as an example) but sadly not.
>>732335510>Yeah but that's boring, and you can't corrupt HanharrYou can fix him though if you go LS
>>732335510>you can't corrupt Hanharr.you can break his will and force him into obedience by being cruel alone, that's far more based than a simple gameplay tick making him more dark side
I think the real reason Kreia didn't want you fucking anyone is that she feels everything you feel, she would feel what it's like to nut inside her own daughter if you did
>>732335561>>732335602Perhaps I'll have to try that then. Maybe I unfairly maligned him as just being an unga bunga character.
>>732334828Default outfits just look better than random bulky armors or robes and preserve companions individuality. Good stats is a nice bonus.>>732334851Yes that's the one. But even if you build Bao-Dur properly he isn't very useful as a companion. You use him what, two times in the game? To repair the Nar Shaddaa speeder and look at atmospheric sensors on Dantooine and that's it.
>>732335756>Default outfits just look better than random bulky armors or robes and preserve companions individualityI still don't understand how they managed to make 90% of the armour suits in KOTOR 1 and 2 look like such complete shit. Who designed them? Who thought that wearing what was essentially a tracksuit and flak vest with the colour scheme of a soda can looked good? >You use him what, two times in the game?I like this voice.
>>732271007I don't remember KotOR looking that good.
>>732335753Hanharr is actually very eloquent and eruditehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoDpX1MA3KsHe just suffers from his voicelines being limited to the 3 Wookie grunts.
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>>732335708Between that and Atton visualising playing strip Pazzak with her whenever she tries to probe his mind, it's no wonder Kreia is grumpy.>>732335891I use that image pack for my BG 1 and 2 instalations. I'd love a KOTOR 2 portrait pack done by Kui Ryōko, though it wouldn't really fit the aesthetic of the game.
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>>732335756>But even if you build Bao-Dur properly he isn't very useful as a companion.I like him to do my crafting when I play low INT characters. He can also pass pretty much every skill check in the game that allows you to use someone other than your main character, which is handy on places like Dxun and the Dantooine sublevel where you can burn dozens of repair parts if your party doesn't have someone with high Repair. He's also got a decent amount of dialogue on Goto's yacht and can bash the shields there.
What was her problem?
>>732336831not enough
>>732273063>make Handmaiden into a sith>she still complains when you do dark side stuff like kill civilians and you lose influence with herIt's a pretty blatantly unfinished game even with the restored content mod
>>732336831unfucked middle aged woman
>>732271264>the fast-travel system provided at the info terminals...what?
>>732336831she was next-level horny for Exile but was forbidden from having sex.
>>732337046if you max influence once and pass the final dialogue check, any other influence changes don't matter anymorebut yeah when you make her into a sith slut, she should drop down on her knees and get wet when you commit genocide
>>732336831no children
>>732333790My rec is not to bother with with dozens of texture mods in the mod list and install this one insteadhttps://deadlystream.com/files/file/2817-optimized-and-upscaled-textures-tsl/(there's a similarly named version for K1)It's a single file that replaces game's default texture archive. No artifacts, no sharpening, no arstyle change, just a simple, basic, clean vanilla+ look.
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>>732335891>maggy
>>732280146So one is a man and the other a woman. Right, this tracks.
>>732337752ATTON SHE IS 90 YEARS OLD YOU SICK BASTARD
>>732336342That face does not fit with Jaheira's high-strung voice and attitude. And Viconia as a laid back, friendly-looking girl?
>>732337046Yeah there's no point to the alignment influence shit when they act exactly the same after as they did before.
>>732321461That's the appeal.
>>732337126Once you interact with more than one terminal you can instant teleport between them
Naming characters in RPGs is dumb because they have to use some other name or title to refer to them anyway
>>732336831She envisioned having a very large family with the Exile but was denied multiple times.
>>732345980Kreia - The MentorAtton - The RogueT3-M4 - The DroidBao Dur - The MachinistMira - The HuntressHanharr - The BeastHK-47 - The Assassin/The KillerMandalore = The WarlordVisas - The Seer/The Slave/The Blinded OneGO-TO - The Crime LordI like some of these more than others. T3, Visas and GO-TO need better ones.
