How do we fix the fighting games genre?What can possibly be done to make it better?
More Neco Arc, less edgelords
add more sexy characters, make it so anyone can play.
>>732284273Remove the wokeslopSF6 and Strive were ruined by ESG
>>732284273make them interesting in any way
Impliment enough PLOT and STORY to rival a 26 episode anime and have fun, unique interactions between EVERY CHARACTER beyond a single line of win dialogue
>>732284273More hot bitches with skimpy outfits.
>>732284273More chuuni indie fighters
>>732285081but muh EVO!
>>732284273Make fighting games free to play, you have a small base roster and you can buy individual fighters>BUT IT'S CANCERyes it's cancer however almost no one is willing to shill out 60 dollars to get destroyed over and over online, by removing that barrier of entry you'll never have problems with players ever again.
Fighting games will always be niche. Doesn't feel good to play for the average nonFGC player. Though I might actually say Melty feels better to play than average.
>>732284273>What can possibly be done to make it better?The deliberate retarding of advanced mechanics to "appeal to a wider audience" - which includes the Rapid Beats found in Type Lumina (partly updated to remedy this, but certain moves are still gated behind said auto combos.) Devs also need to take a note from >>732284414. "Modernizing" female designs is the fast track to financial ruin because it alienates heterosexual males, i.e the target audience. And on a more personal note, they need to have more to them than fucking online play. BlazBlue is the only fighting game series I have ever cared about outside of a few casual matches and turning the game off.
>>732285398>by removing that barrier of entry you'll never have problems with players ever again.DoA and Granblue say otherwise. Fact of the matter is that fighting games thrive on FOMO and impulse buyers and the average person who owns fighting games on Steam has played each for maybe a couple hours.
>>732285081I wish the devs cared more for the storyfags but this is fighting games, sucking more compfags dicks means less casual content.
It needs luck buff that's for sure.
>>732284273Well if they stopped making every game a street fighter clone that would help. Fighting games need to transcend their current state of “street fighter with a gimmick”. The rejection of games like smash bros has honestly amplified this problem massively. The genre was getting some actual growth but a loud subset of the community decided that if it’s not a street fighter clone it shouldn’t even be called a fighting game, and since that moment it has been in a state of total stagnation.
>>732286056but we need big money from tournaments and tranny streamers!
>>732284273If you want the honest unfiltered truth I'll give it to you>Arcsys and French Bread ruined the fgc and fighting games in general, particularly blaz, xrd, and molty tards>every single fighting game is made to cater to these people now, even street fighter, and it's just boring>the organizers for combo breaker took over Evo and ruined it>most of the experienced players that should be responsible for setting an example for new players are now retards and groomers, and there is a culture of fomo, ignorance, and disinformationThat's pretty much it really. I think fighting games need to die completely and be reborn again, there's no other way to reset this. These people will never let go willingly.
>>732286628how would you make a game that's not catered to tryhards?>inb4 platform fightansit's even worse there
>>732286545>The rejection of games like smash bros has honestly amplified this problem massively.The genre was getting some actual growth but a loud subset of the community decided that if it’s not a street fighter clone it shouldn’t even be called a fighting game, and since that moment it has been in a state of total stagnation.How about arena fighters?
>>732286713>how would you make a game that's not catered to tryhardsI wouldn't. None of those games i mentioned are for tryhards. Fighting games should be designed in a way where they are hard but it's really cool to do it so you wanna push yourself. Fighting games are a competitive genre. If you don't want to play them competitively play them with your friends, I played sf2 and bloody roar casually growing up, which would both be considered too hard by today's standards, and them being obtuse or having strict execution didn't stop me from enjoying them. And it didn't prevent me from really getting into fighting games for a good while either. What sells copies is people doing crazy shit.
>>732286921>How about arena fighters?Bro kill yourself
>>732286952I played a bunch of fightans in my life and they are only becoming worse or rather the people playing them are becoming bigger and bigger cunts
>>732285989I don't really get it, if the next Street Fighter was f2p it would reach 5x VI's peak on Steam at the very least
Play a good game like MBAACC instead.
>>732287102And? 80% of those people would never pay a cent to Capcom.
>>732287256already did, I want something new
>>732287256Haven't you already done enough damage
>>732287337Ok? but more people would play fighting games which is a good thing
Variable frame data, hit/hurt boxes and damage. Completely annihilate every avenue that metafaggots use to ruin the genre with their autism. No one wants to play Street Fighter when you're gonna get matched with some mouth breathing loser who's spent a thousand hours memorizing footsie range of every character down to the pixel. Make the game overtly hostile to the FGC and make sure they know that they're not welcome.
>>732284273Fix? Financially the genre has never been better and quality wise the genre peaked more than 20 years ago.
>>732284273Nothing will fix fighting games because the problem is with the audience.There can be no reconciliation between the fact that if you make a game easy, then a more experienced person will grasp the gameplay faster than a beginner. Plus the concept of effort is completely foreign to certain people who just want to have brainless fun.I don't want to think about how the genre can be turned even easier than it has now and that games like DNF and GBVSR have proved that not even those will work.It does seem that an incredibly recognizable brand/licensed franchise might alleviate some issues though because the "hype" factor will bandwagon newbies to just want to be part of a new movement.Basically, where the hell is the Naruto/Bleach/One Piece 2D fighter?
>>732287416They wouldn't stick around. Again, most people who own fighting games only play for a couple of hours and then uninstall the game forever. Capcom won't be getting their $60 from those people like they do right now if they make it F2P. The actual player base wouldn't grow bigger, they just wouldn't be able to fleece impulse buyers. Again, look at Granblue. Look at DoA5 and DoA6. F2P didn't make those games more successful. It probably even cost them money.
>>732285398Granblue has like 400 players, that's still considered dead around here.2XKO probably has more players but one can only guess when the momentum will fully peter out for that one.
>>732287715based
>>732284273You don't. It's a fraud genre built on fake fun.
>>732287825I have a feeling this is not true and most sales will be fomo oriented versus having a tail. Like everyone who is gunna play sf6 already owns it and sales aren't gunna change that. Despite this it has not caught up to sfv, which was a terrible game. So we'll see if these games have legs or not, it's too early to tell, but it mostly just looks like everyone is focused in one spot and insulated. Like who's going "yeah I want to get into fighting games with sf6"
>>732287715>make the game completely unenjoyable for people without a learning disabilityAnti-fighting game people might be clinically insane, or more likely retarded.
>>732288083Dude it's not even learning because these faggots all tab out and look at a chart full of frame data.Any idiot can copy like a monkey.
theres nothing to fix. Not every game needs to have mainstream potential, and games that are actually good already came out decades ago.
>>732287907Granblue's f2p version only has 30 players.
>>732286628>>Arcsys and French Bread ruined the fgc and fighting games in general, particularly blaz, xrd, and molty tardsIn that case, fuck the "FGC." BlazBlue, Xrd, P4A , Melty, and Under Night are the only modern fighting games worth my time. I don't see how shit like SF is made to "cater" to me with that ass gameplay.
>>732288190>copy like a monkey.Are you the mentally ill character action guy that screeches about shmups
>>732284273Pay the players.
it doesn't really matter how easy you make a fighting game, casuals don't play for the long run
>>732288390No, sorry.
>>732287907>>732288281Granblue fucking sucks anyway
>>732288281Unsurprisingly, if someone isn't interested enough to pay for a game, they're also probably not motivated enough to stick around after getting BTFO'd, taunted and teabagged.
>>732287832did DBFZ alleviate the issues?
>>732288335>I don't see how shit like SF is made to "cater" to me with that ass gameplayIt's literally the same exact games with less execution, its all grotesque universal mechanics then neutral skip into setplay. Nigga literally said P4A like that's what a good fighting game should be. Bet SF7 will have a burst mechanic. Jesus dude.
>>732285398Didn't work, chief.
I've never played a fighting game, the main thing that would motivate me to try one would be if it has characters I already like.But even if I try it, just playing 1v1 MP seems boring to me and I'd probably quit at some point. I'd rather a team game.
>>732288190And what's realistically stopping you from just intuiting that a move is either safe or unsafe? Memorization is going to play a part in this equation no matter what, a better player is going to know or going to want to know. Why wouldn't a rational person's thought immediately go into>can i do anything about that move?Why wouldn't someone want to win and try to learn the effective means to win? I understand that there's a point where you can get super autistic about learning "optimal" ways to play beyond just good combos but basic information is available for anyone.So you choose to get mad for someone looking information up instead of mindlessly mashing with you and effectively gambling with every button?
>>732288401no
>>732288390Did some new Mork lore drop while I wasn't looking?
>>732288602I had my problems with it but it was a fucking enormous game at the time. Easily a big three contender behind SF and Tekken around the time. Seasons 1-2 were a bit stale but Season 3 expanding assists and character utilities did help it a lot. It lasted a good 4-6 years for a standalone fighting game.
>>732288281>Granblue's f2p version only has 30 players.Why do you talk about shit you don't know anything about?
>>732288809why not make a sequel then. I mean I had my fun but new players flaked out pretty quickly even with DBZ hype
>>732288890No clue. I personally would have preferred a different shounen with actually different powers instead of just punches, kicks, and different colored ki blasts.
>>732288846Yeah you're right. I don't know the numbers on the consoles.
>>732288719A real rational person's thoughts are going to be>this move looks cool. i want to use itWho cares if it's "the right thing" or not?
>>732289032just not naruto please
>>732289080Nah I'd take Nardo over DBFZ.There's at least some variety there, not a lot but enough.
>>732289062As much as I would like to use a cool move, if I consistently got hit afterwards then in the interests of winning, or at least, not dying faster, I'd try to avoid using it too predictably.
>>732289132post hand
>>732289132NO, fuck the one piece too, I don't want that aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>732289238Then what else? I'd take Bleach too.Or just Shounen Jump All Stars>>732289214I don't even like Naruto but I think it could have more interesting roster choices than DBZ.
>>732285081Street Fighter 6 has this. There's more casual content then there is competitive
>>732289417>Then what else?might as well take nushonen like Demon Slayer or JJK
>>732288670Getting attached to a character is a fairly big part of picking up a fighter.
>>732287715The spirit of Itagaki lives on
>>732289481I haven't paid attention to any of those and I'm generally not interested. Hell, just make a Fate fighter and vary up the cast instead of sticking with the same FSN cast we've seen in games already for the past 20 years.
I'm living proof that practice and experience don't help you improve.
>>732284273>type shitinaget this disgusting nigger aids trash out of my face
>>732289638What did you even practice?
>>732289739based
>>732289782Combos, setups, difficult inputs, simple flowcharts.
>>732290142you're the type to overthink aren't you?
>>732289595>fatehow about non-fucked Melty. I played so much fateshit and I feel nothing towards it
>>732284273What are you talking about? Fighting games are bigger than ever. Strive is on its 5ty yearSF6 & Tekken will get 5/6 years of supportGranblue received over 6 years of support and its still going2XKO will be here for 5 years minimum >2XKO LMMAAOOOOOYeah and they add the KDA coom which they have stored in their back pocket for emergencies. We haven't even gotten all SEXO league characters you just know they're going to add eventually. And they announced no more Arcane characters so we are getting the SEXO Patch 1 this year.2XKoomerHoes real soonAnywayThere are like 15 indie game fighting games thay were announced in 2025. Combo Devils announced they reach their Kickstarter goal just the other day. Fighting games are BOOMING. We are in the peak times. More fighting games than ever. So many you cant even play them all.
>>732289739that's why it's the OP for a thread dedicated to problems
>>732290386>2XKO
>>732290386nigga granblue is dead, it's a fucking discord fighter.Strive is troonified and needs a new iteration anyway.>Kdalemayo>SheetFighter and KekkenLEMAYO
>>732290386>Fighting games are bigger than ever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77ri22MqYPIMax please stay on youtube
>>732290541>>732290545Two niggers who dont play fighting games lay here.
>>732290142And why do you think you were losing? Just not adapting properly?
>>732284273>make the games looser and less "whiff punish into ez bake combo" slop>no simple input crap>no more adding 300 extra buttons, 6 with macros is all you need max>calm down on pumping out groid tagslop>make your movement feel GOOD, I'm tired of how stiff modern fighters feel>stop being so afraid of half circles, pretzels, and now charge inputs>more joke characters>more sexy characters
>>732290687I played fightans before you were born zoomie
>>732290708>I'm tired of how stiff modern fighters feelthis
>>732290238No idea. >>732290693>Just not adapting properly?Because I always fuck up inputs or drop combos. No matter how much I practice them.
>>732290649I agree with Max. We are in a fighting game PARADISE. There is so many options and so much new shit releasing or getting announced every single year I feel like we need to slow down so I can play them all lol. How the heck am I supposed to keep up. Feels like how I feel about Gacha Games, too many, not enough free time. I mean heck soon we will get a new Blazblue Strive and I cant freaking wait. I'm going to give it my all in tournaments for that game. I was too young to get into the older one, now I'm a beast in fighting games so I really want to invest in a new Blazblue.
>>732291082begone max
>>732291082>How the heck am I supposed to keep up.first get a job
>>732291207As if max would ever acknowledge blazblue lol
>>732291304he's a fake fighter gamer, he would never touch picrel
>>732291489I'd play Blazblue if you could lick Platinum's butt in it. Otherwise it's simply not a fun game.
weeeeeeee~
>>732291549you can lick her whole body when you do throws with Arakune
>>732290875>fuck up inputs or drop comboschannel your inner kusoru accidents can look intentional if your opponent thinks you're trolling
>>732291265I have a part time job for hobbies already. I started my YouTube and Twitch channel too. Its doing alright for being a beginner. 1.3k on youtube and I am content with the 31 Twitch Subs atm. Slow growth is still growth.>>732291207Im not max you big idiot
>>732284273>How do we fix the fighting games genre?The genre is fine and the whining is mostly from people that don't play, or people that are completely fucking deludedPopular games have good matchmaking, crossplay and a ton of playersOld/Niche games often have good enough netcode to remain playable >What can possibly be done to make it better?Better QOL features and more single player or non-serious contentLook at how SF6 released with the perfect package, the game had no bugs, network's good, it has some single player content (even if I think world tour is terrible), and it also has some less serious content with battle hub, avatar battles or extreme battlesThe genre tends to have a huge drop-off of players after release. The problem is the content, you can't ease everyone into liking fighting games from only playing ranked. Even if you have good netcode and a ranked mode, people will bounce from that.>>732288890>why not make a sequel then. I mean I had my fun but new players flaked out pretty quickly even with DBZ hypeiirc Arcsys and Toei ended on bad terms and the latest patches haven't even been from ArcsysTokon is a DBFZ 2 in spirit, it's a tag fighter based off a licenced IP
>>732291082Blazblue story is done. It needs another bbtag or a blazblue vs guilty gear strivified or not.
>>732291642Prove it.
>>732291763>Popular games have good matchmaking, crossplay and a ton of players>Old/Niche games often have good enough netcode to remain playablespoken like a discordfag
>>732291763>ToeiYou mean bamco.
>>732291791I dont know what Strive did you all (fuck your wife? Killed your mother? Fucked your brother??) But l heard the Xrd version was not popular so anyone complaining about Strive is an Xrd tourist or never ever touched Xrd series. Like me. I never played Xrd and I dont think I want to play it.
>>732291841you absorb her into your body and lick her everywhere
>>732291841
>>732291791>Heavies give offerings to CelicaHoly based
>>732291684>unironic twitch streamer...>>732291763>Tokon is a DBFZ 2 in spiritit's marvelshit though
>>732292071>tell anon to get a job>anon has a modern gen z job>complainsYou want anon to build cities and bridges?
>>732292152I want him to have a real job not streamerfaggotry
>>732292063>>732292001I'm not seeing any loli licking.
>>732292196Streaming is a real job gramps. Kids can play videos games and earn more money than (You). The weird part is how (You) refuse to dip your toe into that market and get rich too
>>732292385It's too late for me because I'm almost 40 :^) Nobody watches grandpastreamers
>>732291791Blazblue Strive IS coming once support for Strive concludes.Who even knows if they'll make Zappa and some of the other holdouts playable after we get Strived Jam and Robo Ky.
>>732292453Maximilian is mid 40s tho and pretty much all old FGC heads on twitch are in their 40s
>>732292612you need to start early, Max been there for a while already
>>732285081no I honestly think this dragged things downIt started with Blazblue trying really hard to be more light VN than fighting game, I saw people stream the hell out of scenes of those games and it was all slop.I remember starting Xrd story mode and getting twenty minutes in before realizing "story mode" wouldn't actually have ANY gameplay, it was literally just an in-game 3DCG movie.When SFV added story mode it was so fucking boring I skipped half of it.Injustice and DBFZ stories are laughable with how hard they have to asspull to try to make sense of weak characters fighting strong characters, news flash NO ONE FUCKING CARES.Fighting games tried too hard to pull secondaries they stopped being a pure distilled experience. Of course they were doomed even if they never did that either.
>>732292792Anon you have to realize that most people with inane thoughts on improving fighting games or complaining about a fighting game JUST being a 1 vs. 1 generally want fighting games to be literally any genre that isn't a fighting game.
Games that make you feel like :D?
>>732292612I've already started my poorfag arc by being a drawfag
>>732291913The least popular games I've played were +R, Xrd, BBCF and Uni2, (+fightcade) and I've never needed discord to get matches in any of themThe only one I have not managed to get matches in is MBAACC, but because I just wanna fuck around with the game and I don't even have a single character, I'm too lazy to look into discord to get matches>>732291954Possible, I can't ever remember which one it is
>>732292731>you need to start early, Max been there for a while alreadyAnd now you're just making excuses. You act like there arent millions of old booms the same age as you that grew up in your era and want to hear about gaming from people like you. Incoming next excuse in 5...4... lmao
>>732284273make it a 3d brawler game with easier inputs and make it a beat em up.The closest game i've ever seen that did it nearly perfect was happy wars and that got shut down. It was a team vs team beat em up brawler where you can customize ur weapon and attacks from loot drops. you grind for.
I just want a game with deep systems. Give us the frame data. Give us proper training systems to lab shit out. Defense and offense is a conversation between two players, stop killing it with neutral skip garbage and burst mechanics. Stop catering to literal subhuman filth. Make niche demographics seethe, notoriety and fame are the same thing on this ragebait internet anyway, the trannies WILL play it even if they hate it.
>>732292946no, I do realize that. So I don't realize why it's happened they could just play something else.
>>732293009If you've never needed discord for matches you've never been good. The better you get the less people there are to play with.
>>732293248Strive offers deep systems. So do versus games but you hate those games because keeping up at 40 is hard
>>732290708>more joke characters>more sexy charactersboth in one
>>732284273Kill the current sweat lords that are holding the genre hostage
>>732293569I tried strive I got bored in a week, I got to celestial just slamming into people with Leo then autopiloting into a vortex. That was the last new fighting game I bothered to play.
>>732284273As a guy who likes fighting games; you don't. There isn't fixing fighting games without alienating your core audience plus fighting games are so pigeon holed in the genre that there isn't much that breathes life into them. You really can't build a story around the game because essentially everything will return to a 1v1 with not too much variance, you can't really build a gimmick mode since the main attraction brings you back to two characters slugging it out, etc etc
>>732293762how do you do that
>>732293382Because fighting games are "cool"
>>732292792For me Blazblue atleast managed to have an interesting and engaging story and characters for a fighting game despite how clusterfuck and batshit insane the lore is.
>>732290687Blue Archive fighting game when? see my Kayoko (en forma de vestido) at EVO
>>732294220well characters and their animations are the main reason for playing honestly
>>732284273No more of this casual panderingGo back to how games were before 2016 where they dumbed down everythingIf you want to give the new players and the people that are shit at them something then give them "modern" controls and allow them to be used online while keeping the traditional control type for the people who actually know what they're doingBlazblue has had that since 2010 except it couldn't be used onlineNo more of this dedicated auto combo button bullshit where it is necessary for every comboReduce the amount of bullshit "comeback" mechanics for the sake of artificial hypeStop trying to put genre veterans on the same level as beginners because that never worksAdd more solo modes like tekken force or some other side scrolling beat em up shit I'd say write a good story for a story mode but no one can fucking write for shit these days
>>732294420>All characters have gunsHow are they gonna make a fighting game full of zoners and noel vermillion gun fu functions?
>>732294549>No more of this dedicated auto combo button bullshit where it is necessary for every comboname one game that did this other than type lumina
People say they want technical fighting games but I dont see any of you so called coomers playing Reina in Tekken. Get filtered by not one but TWO versions of EWGF lmao and cry about a game you dont play.That loser maxdood reached Tekken God but no one here can beat Maxdood in Tekken lmao
>>732294621>fighting game full of zonerslike Injustice?
>>732294971most people who beg for technical shit are only good at ONE technical character and refuse to play anything else, but think that being decent at ONE character they put a lot of hours into means they're part of the "crew"
>>732293885I think there's plenty they can change. I think as an item they bring to market it's shit. The value just isn't there. PS3 and PS4 I played a lot of them but looking back the pricing is crazy. Most of them are full priced games, or if they're more obscure games they were still 30 or 40 bucks... I've never tried Arcana Hearts because at the time I don't think I EVER saw it drop below 30 bucks, for a fighting game you just know only 10 people play.and then character packs would always cost a lot unless you're buying them way late and honestly you want those characters but you'd never use them anyway unless you ABSOLUTELY had to make them your new main.Any single fighting game requires people to play it with you and hours to get good. Online modes are a completely joyless experience... assuming you're playing one of the 3 games that even has lots of players. The opportunity cost is too great for something that provides so little unless you're specifically in SoCal or Tokyo or something and can instantly find 20 guys that play this game at a meetup.ultimately as someone who really enjoyed fighters I think they deserve to die, not just all of the above but jewing out evo just made everything even worse anyway. There's just no love to any of this anymore, no reason to lab out a game and learn every new character anymore in a dead genre. I'd rather play pub shooter slop at this point or just focus on singleplayer experiences that offer hours of entertainment.
There's a fighting game out there for every kind of fighter you want. You just won't play them.
>>732294971>People say they want technical fighting gamesI like jojoban and mvc2. Make more games like that. I don't want to play Korean hell sweep simulators.
>>732294894DBFZ has autocombos
>>732294971>KekkenI don't play shit games
>>732295318Sex.
I just want sexy characters in a good game
>>732284273Make people MANUALLY aim and swing their attacks while controlling their CENTER OF GRAVITY
>>732295568Same for blocking? Especially if if you are parrying, you'll have to manually redirect the opponent's attack in a way that doesn't let the opponent easily redirect the attack back to you, otherwise you are still suffering the force of the attack.
>>732294971what now
>>732295551No fighting game is good.
>>732295030>>732295094it's pretty much this, you can see it with niggas like >>732295318
>>732294971I don't play Tekken. I'm higher rank than him in SoulCalibur, though.
>>732296259Give me a game like jojoban to play>just play old games!!I've already done that for thousands of hours.
>>732294971people want technical characters so they can grind out execution to compensate for playing like shitlook at how many people in Strive play Zato compared to HC
>>732284273>How do we fix the fighting games genre?>What can possibly be done to make it better?make new fighting games aimed at fighting game players.and then do the minimum required for netplay, ie rollback, spectating and lobbies.
Why do fighting game players bitch so much about everything?
>>732297561repressed homosexuality
>>732297331bro...
>>732297561
>>732289453No that's exactly what SF6 doesn't have. Nobody talks to each other. It's about John Streets and you meet a guy giving exposition about himself instead of two characters engaging. And then you make Cammy eat eels to punish her for being a brit
>>732284273Stop talking about them and start playing themLet fighting games be fighting games. No softcore porn, no QTEs, no slow motionGet rid of Bridget
Sonic Battle's Emerl was probably the best attempt i've seen from the genre at making a compelling fighting game story mode, managing to wrap the story around a Combot-type character without it feeling forced is half the work done. The printwork being there doesnt mean constructing the actual product is any easy, quite the contrary. If you know Sonic Battle at all, you'll probably know that its in the running for most tedious and repetitive game there is. The balancing act expected then is a challenging, but not insurmontable. SC2's Weapon Master or 3's CoTS wrangle around the low variance issue by changing up CPU behavior, giving different objectives, providing satisfying unlocks along the way, or making interesting setpieces like dungeons out of it all. Meanwhile, companies like Capcom have already shown they're competent enough to make cute minigames, from the iconic car destruction to Sean's basketball parrying. The arcade roots the genre comes from are not to be forgotten, since that came with extremely endearing and engaging presentation of its assets, especially anything extra or final bosses. From SNK's legacy in final bosses, to even Virtua Fighter's Dural. Fighting games have the bonus of (at least for a period) being juggernauts of presentation, character design, and aesthetics, so a lot of the heavy lifting was already done.I guess the problem arises once you notice not once did a give even an inch to people actually playing these games for more than a week, instead going for a subset that exists only in theory, over another subset of gamers that's both tiny, willing to stick to their guns, and that respect their old titles as not just an archive, but something to actively go back to. Instead, I describe a marketing nightmare, a potential man that can't even confidently be described to shareholders since I can't describe it as >Well it's Overwatch and Fortnite and GTA at the same time!and its too demanding for an indie dev.
>>732298409Bridget is mad fun when you don't have retards in your ears bickering about trannies
>>732298409>>732298728And remember that right wing movements like Gamergate, SBI Detected and Stop Killing Games were psyops by Epstein to distract you from their elite pedo ring. Woke always wins.
>>732298728this game plays like a sack of bricks
>>732287256its the only thing i play these days
>>732284273Just play 3S
It was already perfected by Mugen
Which anime fighters are not complete dead discord fighters?Strive doesn't count
>>732299693What counts as a complete dead discord fighter?
>Gayrou>Marvel VS Crapcom>Samurai Shofrown>Cockstalkers>Kekken>Street Shitter>Turd Strike>Arcana Fart>The Queer of Fighters>Guilty Queer>Blazpoo
>>732299786shit that has about 150 players on steam so undernights, melty etc
Is this just another thread filled with washed up boombooms who spend ever second of their lives complaining about growing old and being washed up bums so they try to kick down anyone having fun with fighting games?
>>732300238back to your subway surfers stream
>>732300154Blazblue I guess
>>732300360Answer the question boomboom. You on your front porch in a rocking chair complaining about kids in the street having fun?
>>732300154>>732299693Literally BBCF.
How fun would an Overlord anime fighter be?
>>7322996932XKO
>>732300471>kids in the street having fun?you fags don't go out, you are glued to tablets
>>732299693silence xturdiehttps://streamable.com/jjp93
>>732300565You care so much about what the generation under you is doing that you cant even enjoy life. Equivalent: you come to thread to cry about anyone having fun playing SF6, Tekken 8, Strive, 2XKO, other modern fighting games
>>732300659>silence xturdieno clue what you mean, schizo
back in my day fighting games really rewarded skill and decision making which is why you had DP FADC and Ultras
>>732299667Why hasn't anyone tried to do what Mugen did for other game genres? Closest I have seen was doom.
>>732300684>Equivalent: you come to thread to cry about anyone having fun playing SF6, Tekken 8, Strive, 2XKO, other modern fighting gamesyes, those are bad games, make them good and I won't complain
>>732300831I'm pretty sure JRPG has one?
>>732301017Gramps. Chill. Spend your life enjoying up till death, not ranting about what the kids are doing lmao
What is everyone playing? Picked up uni2 finally and trying to learn big titty gun nun, still struggling to do her bnb on mizuumi right but it's been fun.
>>732301193do your homework little chud
>>732301315I'm trying to figure out what to play right now
>>732301057Such as?
>>732301315More UNI2 and CF after playing a lot of casual matches at Frosty
>>732301315I should get back into UNI. I bought BBCF around Christmas since it was $5 and I hadn't played it since before the PS3 scene for it died.
>>732301315Giving 2XKO the old college try. Despite the fact that I'd prefer real motions it is fun to mess around in. Have no idea who to play.
/fgg/ here, y'all don't know shit about fighting games, stick to playing your baby souls crap or hero shooters or whatever crap you play these days, /v/.
>>732301819>/fgg/ hereStopped reading there.
>>732301315>GG StrivePlaying ranked. Waiting for 2.0 expansion update>Granblue RisingPlayed ranked for a while, now waiting for Ilsa.>GGACPRPlaying MOM. Played online on some occasion.>Gundam EXVS 2 OverboostEmulated and playing arcade mode.>SF6Played sim sim. Waiting for Alex.>Tekken 8Playing ranked because S3 rank reset is coming.>VF5REVOPlaying world stage mode.>Naruto Storm seriesPlayed online on Storm 4 and Storm Connections. Replaying story mode on Storm 2 and Storm 3.>.Hack//VersusEmulated and played online with my friends sometimes.>BBCFReplaying the story mode and arcade mode.>COTWPlaying ranked. EOST bores me.>UNI2Replaying combo trials.Other fighting games overall it's either playing the singleplayer modes or playing online sometimes.
>>732301402Nvm. I think you mean like modability since you mentioned Doom. I thought it's like project x zone.
>>732302097What the fuck? How can you learn so many different fighting games at the same time?
>>732302198I don't play fighting games for the online. I mainly play for the singleplayer content.
>>732301315melty and sometimes i boot up +R to practice Dizzy combos
>>732302291You're playing ranked in a bunch of different games.
>>732302671I said mainly.
I'm tired, I just want a fun fightan
>>732284273Fighting games are one of those niche "genres" that only still exists because people liked the old ones back in the day. You can't "fix" it because everything people hate about it is exactly why it still has fans in the first place. Changing anything about it would be a net negative. Just be grateful you're still getting any at all.
>>732303148>fun fightanIsn't that an oxymoron?
>>732284273i think you need some external pull to make people want to play themnot sure if street fighter 2 would have taken off if it just randomly released on consoles one day without having first gone through the arcades. you needed an environment where people hanging out in real life playing video games with each other made sense, you needed a game with appealing surface-level aesthetics, and you needed that game to actually be good when you got into itarcades are dead so good fucking luck replicating that first part. i think fighting games will continue to reverberate around the same communities for forever and keep getting a handful of new people into the idea of the "FGC" to jump in, but it'll always be in decline
>>732298728The whole reason I played Leo is so i didn't have to deal with this stupid no fun allowed wall shit
I like Neco Arc, she deserves more content
Daemon Bride lobby?
>>732298728Seeing a corner combo in Strive not deleting someone's healthbar is weird.Did they fix the game?
>>732284273Developers need to learn how to make a workable online BEFORE they release the fucking game.
>>732288890Wasnt DBFZ found out really fast to be riddled with ToDs,1/3 mixups and forced switches unblockables?I do remember early into the game getting caught in a combo, and having more than enough time to sit the controller, put my glasses down, wipe them, put them back up, pick up the controller again and still be caught in a true combo
>>732304142she's the best cat hag
>>732304482I didn't compete at the unwashed tryhard level so I guess I missed it
I want a new fighting game IP alreadyEven the indie fighters that look interesting are all sequels and remakes or based off tv shows
>>732304817same
>>732304817Disgaea fitanFund it
>>732298728Damn nice side switching combo.
>>732284273I wish Neco Arc was real
>>732304817Eldritch based fighter where no character has anything close to humanoid shape or exactly 2 legs
>>732304817Picrel sort of a recent new fighting game IP but it's an arena fighter with Gundam EXVS gameplay and worst of all, a gacha game. It's kinda fun and free on steam though.
>>732305072Would it be fun though... would main Flonne
Ah, another fighting game thread full or shitters. People who aren't even good at a single game from the last 20 years. None of you are even close to my level of skill in this genre. I was a god then and I am a god now. You're just a peasant who wishes they were good. You're not good in old games or new games. Just another crybaby I'll step on and put in their place. You'll coward behind the one or two other anons in this thread that are actually skilled in the genre, and those retards will ironically defend you shitters for no real reason other than disliking when people call (You) out. Here's a fun fact; Granblue is one of the easiest games to learn. But it is also a game that blatantly exposed people who think they're good in fighting games. It doesn't have knowledge checks. It's lacks hardcore execution. It exposes your lack of fundamentals, lack of reaction time. It exposes those who make poor decisions mid-match that other games allow you to get away with. It's doesn't reward you for putting 1000 hours in the training mode coming up with your weak sauce 1000 IQ play setplay mix.I may not like Granblue but I can openly acknowledge that if you can't beat someone in Granblue set you were never good at fighting games. Now go cry about it loser.
>>732304087I never got the corner complaint, you can just drop your combos early or route accordingly to keep the corner (early HKD, grounded combos or restands into wallslumps). And super wallbreak gives oki and refunds itself.The animation/cutscene fucking sucks, shit takes too long and god forbid it's HC doing deus ex machina again>>732304224They lowered the damage in Season 4 by increasing every character's HP, and then reworked RISC in 4.5 so that low RISC doesn't do as much extra damage as it used to be, and is harder to gainThere was like 1 month on immediate release where they also had increased the damage of a ton of normals, and that made it worse. They eventually rolled back on a lot of these compensation buffs.The damage change really depends on the character, characters that didn't do lots of damage like Bridget kinda got hit hard (Millia eventually saw her routing buffed as a compensation), meanwhile Potemkin still kills you off 3-4 Pot BustersNago does less damage overall (and they killed his mix), but if he hits you with an H normal and your RISC has been cranked up, you take a shit ton of damage (6H counterhit at 100% RISC is literally a TOD on the whole cast, although that's never gonna happen in a game)The balance patch was mostly good (HC unfortunately still lives), the system mechanics changes are good (Guard Crush can be YRC'd, Red Wild Assault is no longer cancellable on block, White Wild Assault can't be RC'd), and the ranked mode mostly works I really hope 2.0 continues in that vein, because this patch is really fun
One probably I've personally had with fighting games since forever, is that most of the cast are usually good people or friends, and the match is seen as nothing more than a friendly spar. Where are the bitter enemies, where is the desire for blood shed, where is the pure, visceral sense of domination? When I shit on a retard I want my character to join me in victory, not be all "GGs bro, it was fun. See you at church tomorrow."
>>732306372Blazblue? Guilty Gear?
more single player content. i love fighting games but sometimes i get sick of some of you fags and i'd rather grind some content but no fighting game has any good grindable content. if you play tekken you know what i mean by when you get sick of fighting the playerbase.>constant one and done>ragemail>ki charging/t-bagging alwaysshit's just annoying at times.
>>732305904tl;dryou are gae
>>732306754>i'd rather grind some contentI can smell you, MMO Troon. Post your character btw.
>>732306835jrpgs are fun dude, why can't we have a fighting game jrpg
>>732306925Uh I guess you don't really want one because like 10 exist like that already.
>>732306925Old tales of games have motion inputs.
When thr fuck is GGST 2.0 coming out?
>>732307109>>732307202a fighting game WITH a JRPG mode (a good one) not a fucking JRPG with "semi fighting game" stuff. don't uh me redditpants.
>>732284273Mandatory transphobia both in-game and within the community.
>>732306621Blazblue is better than most, I'll give it that. GG, eh, it has some villains, but most of the cast aren't hateful towards one another.
>>732301315TvC, mainly messing around in training mode and doing arcade runs
>>732287907People always forget this, but that's still like the 4th biggest fighting game on the market right now.
>>732307296uh
>>732307296Oh a action jrpg with combat mechanic akin to 1v1 traditional fighting. That could be cool.
>>732306002How fares my wife?
>>732307296Doesn't exist. Now leave the thread tranny, or keep crying about that axe lmao
>>7323072942026 this year maybe late 2026. Gotta cope for AWT finals at march or EVO japan at May.
>>732307474god i can smell the fat off of you. i know im fat too
>>732307654...uh
>>732284273I think it comes down to sexy and/or cool characters, cross play, and rollback net code.Because I shit on Strive but it does do all of that, and it is pretty popular for what it is.SF and Tekken still have the household brand value but I really don't think they're invincible.
>>732307294March is most likely.Aisha already flew to Tokyo to do recordings for a (most likely Jam's) song and ArcSys World happens on the 20th of March.They already confirmed it's only going to have 1 character of several new ones coming so... you guessed it, it can't take until winter to come out.
>>732308013Can we expect them to change the game to be more similar to Xrd with GGST 2.0?
>>732306002Do you people actually feel skillful when you post these dry ass slow motion gameplay Strive webms? I don't see any high octane plays being executed. Just looks boring.
>>732308118They're Japanese, who the fuck knows. They could sloppify the game into Xrd.They could slopify the game into SF6.They could also build on what's there and people like.
i think the biggest problem with fighting game heads is that they can't accept change at all. i get the scene is filled with autismos but it's crazy how people could suggest good ideas and get shut down because I HAD TO PUT QUARTERS IN MY VIDEO GAMES, I HAD TO BUY MY UPGRADE, IF I COULDNT YOU CANT
>>732308118Probably. It's very clear jam and robo ky would be different than before aside from the obvious dumbed down jam cards and robo ky's heat gauge. Maybe the overall gameplay could have an overhaul but we'll see.
>>732308235>i think the biggest problem with fighting game heads is that they can't accept change at all.I present to you>SF2>SF3 is changed>SF4 is changed>SF5 is changed>SF6 is changed And "fighting game heads" made sure they were always number 1 ranked in the FGC being played by everyonealso this>MSH>COTA is changed>XvsSF is changed>XvsMSH is changed>MvC1 is changed>MvC2 is changed>MvC3 is changedAnd "fighting game heads" made sure they were always number 1 ranked in the FGC being played by everyone>MvCi is changedAh, you got me here. But that's 1 game vs 7 games that were changed and accepted and number 1 ranked in the FGC
It's nice not having to wait 3-4 months for a new character, wish more fighting games were like this.
>>732308501yeah but they made sure that each iteration is FUCKING TRASH and the original game SF2 IS THE BEST
>>732308581I can't here you over Street Fighter running the FGC since the FGC was born. Yeah, you can't keep those false tales in your pocket.
>>732308453>robo ky's heat gaugeIt's literally just Nago with some extra ways to lose the heat/blood without waiting it out.
>>732308235>they can't accept change at allwhy lie?
>>732308528That's because jae hoon, geese, and blue mary was already made before especially with geese since he was a secret boss in the EOST mode and arcade mode. Only Krauser, Kenshiro and the other one that hasn't been revealed are the new ones.
I just want another Fate fighting game
>>732309124I wouldn't mind spear characters who aren't poledancing.Noel is fucking lame in MBTL
>>732284273>How do we fix the fighting games genre?You can't. This is 2 EVO champs btw.
>>732309414But poledancing are sexy...
>>732309124FGO Fighter soon, trust the plan
it's a player problemeven the most simplest fight games like divekick and footsies have shitters
>>732284273I'm happy it exists because its a goldmine of golden OSTs, fantastic spritework and awesome character designs. It feels almost taken for granted, but yeah, fighting games are made to look cool and they often succeed. Just throwing in some tunes I really like.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ-gY9GYQ9Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evh94O6cgVQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN2NYH_ySbIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_X_1CPOOJohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNIPHL0Qy3Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJqEGxlNHSQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5T-Cv_7Dz8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rxrnLee2HIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROZfTu2d_r8
>>732308858Not gonna argue about that.I just find it weird that other games that also reuse assets for their DLC like Tekken still need a goddamn eternity to get out a character.
>>732307483She's mid and kinda weird conceptually.She's got Chipp/Millia tier run speed, with no air optionsHer fS/2S are long buttons with a followup normal that vacuums, but you can't vary the timing so good players are doing IBs on these regularily.She's also got a two-step system like Testament's Stain that you apply from a special after it's charged. It only triggers on hit (including from her throw), which imo isn't that She does little damage, unless you have enough meter for her quickhack super, which lets you rack up a lot of damage.However the quickhack also has extended meter penalty, and doesn't cause HKD on super wallbreak, so you're losing out on a lot here.It's a shame because it's the coolest part of her kit, she gets to do unique stuff like preventing meter gain on her opponent, increasing risc gain, or forcing counterhits on the next hit (which lets you do really silly routing)Unfortunately the best thing to do is just to put it on your opponent on hit, stack poison and forced counterhit, which lets you get her highest damaging comboHer other super has an instakill property if you have 100 meter and they're below a health threshold, which is coolAlso she has a gun which might be one of the worst specials in the game>>732308118No, they've already established in the devblog what 2.0 is going to beTheir priority is nerfing the top end of the castThey said once again that they want to re-assess how Wild Assault fits in the meta, which led to nerfs to it in the previous patch and routing buffs for some charactersSome characters will get reworked (hopefully HC and Elphelt), which is something they've already done with Ramlethal and her swords in particularI don't understand why people bitch about Strive not being Xrd when Xrd is right there and playable
>>732294621Have a dedicated Shoot button, kinda like Ki Blasts in DBFZ.Give them limited ammo per round. Actual zoners can have more ammo and/or the ability to reload.1 on 1, no tags. Maybe add an assist, like the Special students in the gacha, but if not it's fine.
Tekken 8 is a good game and I can't wait for KuniCOOM
>>732310201WA is a mistake and was a shitty band aid to characters have less moves than usual
>>732286628How did blazblue ruin fighting games? Their last game came out over a decade ago
>VF5REVO has the lowest entrants>no VF6 news since the disastrous TGS showcase>forums are dead>shitcords are dead
>>732284273One big hurdle I see is that unless everyone in your group is big into fighting games it's hard to pitch one for a friend gaming night. Some people get bored spectating, others don't know what they're doing, some get salty losing 1v1 again and again, etc., so some type of co-op type of experience would help player retention which in turn helps traditional ranked numbers. Do something like GBVS' quasi-beat 'em up/RPG mode or SFA3's Dramatic Battle, or implement team battle (independent 1v1s, not like 2XKO) in the pursuit of a greater goal while learning the characters.
>>732285398No one, especially casuals, want to play a game with only 4 characters to choose and a bunch of lock icons, even if it's free. Experimenting with a bunch characters is a big draw if you're new.
>>732284273the two things that zero fighting games have are 1. any kind of single player content that isn't absolute garbage and 2. any kind of writing that isn't complete garbagethe first fighting game to not be actual dogshit in those two domains is going to clean up, considering lots of fighting games are quite successful despite being unbelievably low quality
We need more charge characters in fighting games. Even characters with one or two charge moves are slowly dying out or getting replaced. Eustace in granblue doesn't count since you don't even need to charge with the simple inputs.
>>732299239How do you get games without discord? I wish it had official rollback.
This place is just therapy for boomers lmao come here to release your frustration but you boomers are a broken record, you've been saying the same thing since 2016. It's been 10 years lmao
>>732289417I'd play an Arcsys Bleach tag fighter.>Start Ichigo>Vasto Lord Ichigo>True Shikai Ichigovs>Shikai Ichigo>Bankai Ichigo>Mugetsu Ichigo
>>732298409>>732298728>>732299021Your animal kind are not welcome here.
>>732311927fighting game boomers, mmo boomers, rts boomers... we are all brothers in suffering
>>732311986vs>Horn of Heaven Ichigo>Hellverse Ichigo>Fullbring Ichigo
>>732311683+R is like $3
>>732312347>Horn of Salvationwoops
>>732312268Sorry you can't masturbate to video games anymore
>>732288335>BlazBlue, Xrd, P4A , Melty, and Under Nightlol I barely even play fighting games and I play only dbfz and gbvsr
>>732311920https://concerto.shib.live/good luck anon!
>>732313481I’ll give it a try, thanks
>>732311986Going to have to wait awhile for another Bleach fighter unfortunately
>>732311986Do they still make OCs in these anime tie-in fighting games?I loosely remember this guy and the headaches he causes to anyone into powerlevel faggotry.
>>732311846Why should I play Under Night? What differentiates it from the several other anime fighting games?
>>732305904ow the edgesaved to my copypasta collection
>>732313821Fighting for the right to roman cancel
>>732313989>>732305904He's right, though. Granblue is great game you can use to discover your strengths and weaknesses in the fighting game 101. Granblue stresses your neutral game, pokes, decision-making and fundamentals. That's really all the game is.
>>732316041>>732316041>Granblue stresses your neutral gameblue stuff>pokes66A>decision-making and fundamentalsblue stuffyou're just lying to the poor chap
Can someone teach me how to play 3rd Strike? I'm tired of sucking.
>>732305904Granblue is for pussies. Vanilla SF2 is the REAL fundie check. There's nothing you can fall back on like a cutch. If you suck. You suck and nothing you can do about besides git gud
>>732316523the game is old as balls just look up one of the many jp youtube guides and practice
>>732316574That's boring.I want someone to coach me 1 on 1.
I'm stick with Darius/Braum for now. I was worried 2xko wouldn't any simple strong character but I've been pleasantly surprised
>>732285081GGAC+R almost did this to little benefit, all the plot threads while initially intriguing became meandering and irrelevant moving forward in the overall narrative, a similar thing happened with KoF but it's managed to continue juggling a few Fatal Fury, Orochi and NEST balls even if again to little avail. But after 14 entries it's to be expected old fans likely aren't that invested in wheel spinning and new players likely feel dissuaded getting invested.
>>732285081Blazblue actually has a lot of cut dialogue in the game files that don't show up because some voice lines are made to take priority and really weird edge cases for some lines that would never show up unless you proc a certain interaction between moves.
>>732316526Granblue is the same thing. You have nothing to fall back on if you lack fundies. You're just going to get bullied by better players. I like that about Granblue. It's an anime game with zero anime. Everyone has the same anti airs, same frame traps, same shimmies, frame data for is 95% universal across the board on plus|block. There's is nothing that can knowledge check you beyond a single round. In Granblue you can learn the entire match up in a single game if you opponent uses all their tricks too early and straight up bully them for having no answer to your ability to adapt. In Blazblue though... I can beat pros with knowledge and I know I'm not better than they are.
