Genshin just had it's most profitable month in history, making almost 270 million $ thanks to Columbina. Endfield made 114 million in a week. Complete gacha domination.
What did the players get in return?
>>732285678This
>>732285678fun
Yeah, gaming is dead, what's new? Even the Japanese partake in this derivative slop that just copies everything they did already.
You're SEA
>>732286398Snow white European actually.
>>732285805
The west needs to step up. Although gacha leaves a bitter taste, I aint playing western woke slop.
>>732285678Megane loliSomething no western dev will give us
>>732285469That's what happens when you overwank a character for literally 3 patches.
>>732285469>Haha gambling is so profitable when you can exploit retarded addictsNo fucking shit, retard
>>732286081wtf is that?
>>732288918>When other games make money it means the game is good>When gacha games make money it means they're predatorycope
>>732286081The fact these skinner boxes have to employ so many engagement mechanics to keep retention up suggests they aren't fun
>>73228680415 year old esl's are really having a riot with this one
>>732288076So literally ever archon and harbinger?
>>732286804
>>732289185>puts out fresh new content every month>this is a retention mechanic durp.I remember when MMOs use to have this cadence. Gamers ate good back then.
How do I start liking gacha games?
>>732288918I give them 5$ a month that's it. Only retards spend thousands.
>>732289410Eglin or Tel Aviv?
>>732289427Deprive yourself of oxygen until your IQ is lowered.
>>732289419Games like Genshin give players a lot more content than WoW ever did.
>>732289512But that would make him a Nintendo fan
>>732289505You really need to cope hard about this one eh yuri hater-kun? How does it feel that SandBina utterly raped all your arguments forever? You will literally never be able to recover or spin this.
>>732289427You shouldn't play them BECAUSE they're gacha. You play them in spite of being gacha and treat the pulling of characters like an in-game shop.
>>732285469>slop eaters eat slopWow
>>732286804Threadly reminded that the Anti-Yuri Brigade are all seamonkeys.
>>732285469>make individual thread for any of those games>players just talk about them>include "gacha" word in OP>rabid haters enter just to be angry at gachaWait... do you guys actually have gacha threads highlighted in the catalog just so you can sperg out in the threads all day?
>>732285469cool. is the gameplay & writing still shit? yes? idc then.
>>732285678I got both Bina and Effa with 70 pulls.
>>732290247sounds like you don't care even if it's good
>>732285469Why poor sub-humans like you go to bilibili and believe a random chink talking about how much money gacha companies are making without any real proof or source. I truly don't understand why SEA and pags created a culture around this
>>732289427Play Genshin. Ignore leveling up and gacha mechanics until you are hooked up on the story and world.
>>732290368Assblasted tendie
Is Columbina actually strong as a character? She seems meh at most in terms of actual power scaling. She is popular due to non-gameplay reasons right?
There's something very funny in how gachas operate. They always entice you with [current thing] as the hottest shit ever, even though you will probably get something even better in just 2 or 3 patches. It's an infinite treadmill of consume product and be excited for the next product. Feels good that I grew out of this stuff back when browser grindfests were a thing.
>>732289410This is epstein bro, modify the country to israel
>>732291217>She is popular due to non-gameplay reasons right?Yeah but she is also an S tier support that enables the new busted reactions for any character.
>>732291314>gaming is a waste of timeWatch out guys we got a philosopher over here.
>>732285678More characters to power creep out their waifus and more banners to blow money on. Gas Gacha niggers
>>732292034You'll get over it, Nintensister
>>732290247Current region is actually great.
>>732292375>>732292491Baka, baka!
>macaco shitskin is now also seething about Nintendo in completely unrelated gachaslop threadAbsolutely raped and gaped both physically and mentally Still gonna have to deduct -493712 karma to Ziony thoughbeit, unc
>>732291217She's meta in game too and will likely get more meta with Sandrone. But everybody rolled her because hot lesbians.
>>732291217will become irrelevant in a few patches when lunar reactions will stop being shilled
>>732291217Yeah she's strong. Its basically kazhua all over again. There arent enough chraracters atm to take advantage of what she brings. We still dont have lunar freeze, melt, vape, and swirl. I have high hopes for lunar freeze cause they added lunar crystalize and saved Geo.
>>732286709then you've sea tier intelligence if you publish an ai prediction chart because>>732285469it would be really bad if someone asked for source for these numbers
>>732293252It's Sensortower.
>>732293210>We still dont have lunar freeze, melt, vape, and swirland they will never come
>>732293425I asked for source of these numbers, not the name of another site using ai prediction based on unreliable data
>>732293090Years old characters are still relevant. And supports are the hardest to powercreep.
>>732293478Keep coping bro.
>>732293495
>>732293558how asking for a legit source of these numbers is a cope?I asked for source, you replied with site that uses ai to make up numbers based on downloads, but no actual sales yet alone specific sales like banners, other things etc.
>>732293558>guys asks for source>c-c-c-cope!seems like you're the one coping mr seamonkey
>>732290568Oh no no no!
give it to me straight brosis varka standard?
>muh metaPlease... Floor 12 is 10 extra rolls per year, assuming you don't even bother for a 3/9 clear, similarly with the theater. Stygian gives even less, one artifact reroll per patch. I'm rolling for fun characters, you can keep spending whatever FOMO meta whalebaits they throw at you. Thanks for keeping the lights up, I guess.
>>732294051>malenobody cares
>>732294401Haters are just retarded. Those games are fine f2p and with 5$ monthly pass you can get 90% of characters you care about.
>gachaniggers killed vidya gamesHow do we cope? I'm still mad that Project Moon went this route too.
>>732285469I wish Naruto was translated, I love that orange faggot, loved Narutimate Hero back in the PS2 days.
>>732294531You cope by actually playing gacha and realizing it's fun. And when your mom says BUT GAMBLING BAD you remember that you're an adult and you can ignore her
>>732294531We take solace in the fact that they can never take away our old games(until they do somehow).
>>732285805MUH
>>732285805hot
>>732294531Western corps going to absolute shit did this. Asian games are saving us.
>>732294051Did they unfuck him yet or is he still dogshit?
>>732285469>Columbina.I haven't played since late Natlan. Which one of the Harbingers is that again?
>>732286081kek
>>732286804>the repliesCan't believe I caused yuritroons to have a melty this easily.
>>732294447>anemo DPSI mean do you have a better option? I might roll just because of that>>732294823She's the goddess of one of the three moons, the only one remaining. She quit the Fadyui but is still best friends with them, they've reached a level of dindu never before thought possible
>>732294960>they've reached a level of dindu never before thought possibleI mean that was always obvious when you realize they're just Chinese Ouroboros.
ZZZ flopped
>Make game with hot anime women and get billions of dollars
>>732294960It's all part of the Tsaritsa plan. She is playing the Traveler like a fiddle.
>>732295227shame they make the gameplay as braindead as possible for chink insectoid mobile players
>>732286804>be lolicon>be yurifanoh yeah I really care about being called a "diddy ahh blud"
>>732295227>Endfield>hot anime womanlollmao even
>>732295562Akekuri is hot.
>>732295503The gameplay blows any japslop or westoid rpg out of the water though
>>732295745uh oh SEAniggy detected
>>732295745>MMO rotations and elemental Rock Paper Scissors is what passes for good gameplay nowGrim.
Give it to me straight /v/, is genshin a fun game?
>>732295562Umm yes
>>732295789Name one (1) game.We all know you can't.
>>732295857no lmfaosomeone post THAT """""gameplay""""" webm where the nigga just stands still for every fight while colors flash, i lost it
>>732295857Early on it was a fun game but now it's more of a VN that people only play for the story. It's like watching One Piece anime for me. Mostly boring but when it gets good, it gets GOOD
>>732295908the game
>>732295925Meanwhile every action game that /v/ loves>nigga just stands still but hits parry at the right time
>>732295857depends. Do you like Open world exploration, visual novels, schizophrenic lore and somewhat interesting combat with a bunch of gimmiks? Then yes. The combat dosen't have too much depth but it's fun for what it is I think, playing around with rotations and different reactions is neat, as a new player figuring out what's good and what's not could also be cool. Just don't spend money and you're golden.
>>732295997This nigga had his ass grabbed by chained ogre.
>>732295857It's fun for a time but it's a hard game to justify it's live service set up. Ignore dailies. Play it like a real game.
>>732295857It wouldn't have become this big if it wasn't fun. Gambling and waifu might entice people but you have to entertain them if you want them to stay.
ZZZ still mogs
>>732296217It's so boring now, there's nothing left in the game except for main quest and main quest sucks balls now. And events are just reruns of old events or basic bitch combat events
>>732296390Yeah. I don't get why ZZZ doesn't focus on what makes it good, the characters and just makes events like any other gacha and just focus on small SOL character stories.
>>732296390Divine Maze was fun, and we're getting Fall Boos again next patch. They do need some permanent content besides combat shit though, worst case scenario it's a few hours of resetting until I can clear something and more often than not it's one and done.
I think we can all agree on thisWWM>Endfield>Wuwa>Genshin>ZZZ>DNA>HSR
>>732296674we all agree that you're retarded
>>732296817Post your ranking then if you're so smart
I just can’t get into gachas, every single time they go the same way.>start a game, kinda interesting >save up a bunch of currency>event shows up with character that interests me>roll, don’t get anything I want (haven’t been playing for a year so I can’t force it)>oh okay>uninstallThis has happened with at least three different titles. I am simply incompatible with the model.
>>732296217It do be winning bigly
>>732289704>SandBinaKek. Sandrone had the same friendly interactions with Bina as Arlecchino did.The entire last part of the quest shipped TravelerXColumbina hard, but of course you retards will always conveniently omit this.The funny thing is, you'd think yurifags would ship LoomXColumbina, but you never see it because it also implies AetherXColumbina, so they just choose to ignore it.
>>732294960She’s the goddess of all three moons combined as one since the three moon goddesses all gave her their authorities.
>>732296931You literally can't fail at rolling for a character as long as you just play the game. In Endfield 1.0 you can get 170+ rolls for free and 120 is a guarantee, you literally can't fail>nooo I need to play it for a year to get 170 rollsI literally just got them in less than 2 weeks and about 80 hours played
>>732297052Nuh uh, she still gave 1 of those to Arlecchino
>>732286804kek yuritroons btfo
>>732296674WWM would be great if the combat wasn't complete dogshit. Mash parry until you get a three second damage window, rinse and repeat. Wow, amazing. Multiplayer fights were good but the player base was so fucking brain dead it was almost impossible to get a clear. Maybe it's changed now but I literally spent a weekend just spamming the queue and out of the dozens of attempts I got maybe four or five clears on the donkey faggot and zero on the bird bitch.
>>732295745Monster Hunter is better tho
>>732296931>want benefits without playing the game>get mad you don't get themyou're supposed to play if you like the game, not because you want a certain characterif you don't enjoy it enough just don't play it in the first place
>>732295857Open world is very fun. Gameplay is okay but you need to pull characters from the gacha. Not guaranteed to get the dudes you like.
>>732297250>combat wasn't complete dogshitLiterally the best combat among those games, why would you nitpick that>Mash parry until you get a three second damage windowI mean I can say this about any soulslike. Yes it's all about parrying but it's not like you can just mash it, you need to hit the right timing and it's definitely very easy to fuck that up and lose. You did not beat the wolf girl on your first try, don't even pretend.
>>732296931Hoyo games give you enough to guarantee a banner character every other patch at minimum.
>>732297094>play 80 hours to get one character
>>732297261Well I try them out to see if I will like the game, and then a character gives me something specific to work towards.Then, when that falls through, the negativity of that experience overshadows any enjoyment which makes it very easy to drop it like a lead brick.So it goes.
>>732297493Yeah these games are timewasters, that's why I like them. I have a lot of time to waste and I like that I can waste my time in them.>nooo I have a job I can't waste timePay then. If you have a job, fucking pay then you rich cunt
>>732297397>Literally the best combat among those gamesIt's literally not, it's fucking braindead and shallow.>I can say this about any soulslikeYea, those also have shallow, braindead combat. The enemies just follow a script and once you've read the script you just clear it every time. Souls combat is on the same tier as MMO raids, i.e. the bottom of the barrel.
>>732285469>muh moneysGacha cucks get the rope, you will own nothing all the way to eos contrarian corpo shill glazer
>>732295562das rite
>>732285469>Endfield made 114 million in a week.>for that: a shitty six star standard selectorlol That's new psy op now?
>>732295857Yes, but at this point I would just wait for them to finish the story (lol, part one, btw) and play it as if it were a free single player game.
>>732290124>create flamewar thread for gacha retards to fight amongst themselves>unrelated people join to call everyone retardedPeople don't enter the 20 gacha advertising generals because it's of zero interest to see people post boring chink characters as they discuss their addiction
>>732297738>It's literally not, it's fucking braindead and shallow.Compared to other gachas? It absolutely is not, it's literally the only Chinese GAAS that requires any skill>once you've read the script you just clear it every timeYeah sure, just memorize the exact timings of every attack and you can clear it. That's kind of the whole challenge, it's not so easy to memorize the exact timings
>>732297610>Pay then. If you have a job, fucking pay then you rich cuntor I could play a real game that neither expects me to invest absurd amounts of time doing repetitive busywork nor invest my own money to progress
>>732297936Or you could just go back to your job and stop wasting our time pretending you have a hobby, jobtard
>>732297928>muh addictionsIf you're not addicted to a game, are you even having fun? When I'm playing a new gacha I'm so exited I can't sleep and I'm a full grown man. I got up early after 3 hours of sleep to play Endfield at launch, is there anything in life you enjoy as much as that?
>>732297990>bullshit makework nothingness enthusiast is going to chide others about not having real hobbiesLOL
>>732297883>Suddenly 80 million more than the last updated figurePretty much, it's going to drop off like a rock after the first month anyways. All releases are like that.
>>732298120I was addicted to MMORPGs back when they were a thing. I don't like seeing people repeat my mistakes. It seemed fun at the time, but looking back on it I wish I was doing something else. I can't say I had "fun" overall, I was just fulfilling false objectives that meant nothing.
>>732298197>I was just fulfilling false objectives that meant nothing.I can say that looking back on my entire life bro. Don't take it too seriously
>>732296390Because the combat is inherently shit. Nothing else they can do. Building the combat on iframe-maxing and chain attacks was peak retardation. The hardest thing to do in ZZZ is play two aftershock characters.
>>732298175>going to drop off like a rock after the first month anywaysNah second patch is going to have the Chinese archon. 1.0 girls sucked ass
>>732298328I like the combat but the game has no content to do that combat in. I just want side quests, ZZZ just doesn't have side quests now, it's really weird actually, it's the only gacha without any sidequests
>>732298175Arknights survived on being a consistent, low spender that occasionally takes advantage of its long-term grind by selling resource packs. Endfield has pretty much the same model. Albeit, without the true limited banners. So it's a wonder it's making money at all considering a maximized Surtr v2 gives the same dps increase as one dupe from a hoyo game.
>>732297154The marrows aren’t the actual goddess authorities. More like a fragment of their power.
>>732298502Nuh uh, my 'kino is a straight up moon goddess now. Don't talk shit
>>732298197Yeah, like posting on 4chan.You learned nothing.You don't have any rights to berate anyone.
>>732298469Endfield’s banner set up makes it automatically not like Arknights at all. How can you even say they are the same model when Arknights has a 6* guaranteed every 60ish pulls and the banner character every 150ish. And dupe bonuses mean nothing.
My only problem with gachas are the limit on progression
>>732298438>ZZZ just doesn't have side quests nowthanks anti tv cucks
>>732298175Cue the delusional arkeks. Wuling is shit, nobody likes chinkwank.
>>732298686I mean 2.0 had side quests, it worked even without tv. But then every patch after it had literally NO sidequests. What the fuck is that about
>>732285469>"Genshin just had it's most profitable month in hist--"
>>732298630What limit, you just grind day after day and you unlock shit slowly but surely>nooo I want to clear everything TODAYPatience is a virtue
>>732298852Kino and Furina are literally the two best characters ever created in the history of gacha
>>732298628the long term resource grind is very much arknights, which they've monetized to some degree in AK. the 700k LMB packs is one of their most popular packs.The banner system was made to encourage you to roll every banner, with dupes being entirely set off to the side. It was made for consistency, not a rollercoaster that hoyo games go through.
>>732298806the problem with ZZZ is devs have no fucking clue where to direct the game.Just look at how gargabe was the last chapter story.
>>732299048>so bad that even the gooners are madloool
China looks like THIS? Modern AND eco friendly, thank you mr. Xi.
>>732298175It's really going to drop off. But it'll be more brutal given how EF will quickly become irreverent. People already got bored and are moving on.
>>732289419mmos weren't putting out content every 6 weeks
>>732298976>made to encourage you to roll every bannermade to encourage you to roll like retard maybe. It's funny how people strawman genshin allowing you to build pity, meanwhile endfield is the one with rolls that expire to literally force you to be an impulsekek, bonuses at the 30th and 60th rolls that must be used on the current banners and cannot be stockpiled. Just some incredible projection.If you spend your rolls the way the system is set up to encourage you to, you'll fill your roster with a disproportionate number of standard banner dupes while constantly stopping short of and throwing away the 120 pity.
>>732295095On opposite day
>>732299227>China looks like THIS?Many of its cities look like that nowadays. Of course, there are also many places that look like 1950.
>>732299227This is the first china region in a game i actually like. Probably because they went for a more clean sci-fi brutalist look than the pagodas and shit that look like they came from hundreds of years ago.
>>732298976>The banner system was made to encourage you to roll every bannerThat alone is already making people quit. Wonder why they haven't released endgame modes? That's going to be rugpull, aka "x stage require x unit and team", "here's this pack to catch up"
>>732299356Which is why they sucked. Also MMO worlds always felt fake and had gay ass human retards jumping around. Gachas are the first time we ever had worlds that feel both immersive and alive, constantly expanding and changing.
>>732299609I mean it makes sense, modern China is pretty scifi. Have you seen their cities?
>>732297250The combat doesn't really play like that at all though, lots of your skills have some amount of stagger so you can create more openings, and most skills are also cancellable with parry so you can just attack, weave in one parry when the enemy tries to get out of it and then keep going. There's only a couple bosses that you can't really do that on like Wolf Maiden because she has higher stagger resist and attacks so frequently you can't really land any hits in between parries and she's probably the least enjoyable boss in the game.
>>732299609I like Liyue as well. Looking good to me
I feel like you get better rolls if you don't spend money on Genshin.
>>732300148I've spent money but then dropped Genshin for a few months and when I came back the rolls I got were amazing. I won every 50/50 like 4 times in a row and some were at 30-40 rolls
I'm surprisingly enjoying the factory gameplay. Even if they give you more space than you need to use, it's still fun to find little space optimizations for the sake of it.
>>732298175>Suddenly 80 million more than the last updated figureThat other figure is mobile only. Nobody with alternative is buying shit on mobile when it's cheaper on PC.
>>732300409what are these materials used for in game
>>732299476Why would you stop at 120? You're encouraged to go to 120, which you have a fairly high chance considering the coin flip + rate up increase at 65. Staistically, you really only need to spend a little to get every character unless you're really unlucky. Which is what they're going for. >>732299710Plenty of games are positioned around collecting every character. Why would that be a dealbreaker when it's easier to get every character?
>>732300574You sell that shit for special currency and then buy some upgrade mats and items in the shop using it.
>>732300574Some are used to make gear, buildings, turrets, etc. Most are traded to towns for money.
>>732300574Almost everything you can craft in the game comes from there, so consumables, equipment, infrastructure like the persistent buildings you place outdoors etc.There's a pretty specific system that involves trading with ingame outposts, so earning money selling them stuff you've made is a big part of progressing that part of the game.
>>732300737>Plenty of games are positioned around collecting every characterVery few actually are. Have fun trying to get everyone in games like FGO or Blue Archive.
based, japantroons lost hard
>>732301019Most games that aren't hoyo games/FGO are collectathons whereby spending a little bit every month is enough. The optics of being "less generous" than hoyo is a dealbreaker nowadays.
>>732301214Every AAA gacha is as stingy as Genshin these days, spending 5 bucks a month is going to get you like 75% of characters in those games, not 100%
>>732300737Thing is, devs admitted EF's gacha is set up to punish skippers and savers.
>>732301421genshin puts team characters together on a banner and ultra-shills worse than HSR nowadays. On top of wanting you to roll dupes + low roll currency + high meta rollover (Shirk lole). I think you're delusional. If any game did what Genshin/HSR does, they'd be crucified for real.
>>>/vmg/>>>/vmg/>>>/vmg/>>>/vmg/Go to your fucking board niggers
>>732297738Found the lfr shitter who can't even pass normals.
>>732302286>it's bad to put the most useful 4 stars on the same banner as the 5 star>Columbina and Zibai are great at c0>Skirk can still clear everything and we're about to go to the cryo nationthe fuck are you talking about
>>732295857Depends. Combat is mostly just switching between the characters you leveled up the most and spamming their one skill and ult on cd. You cant really have fun trying out combos and making teamcomps cuz most of characters are locked behind gacha and are limited. Farming mats for skill/character/weapon level up and artifacts sucks. But I still sometimes comeback to explore new zones (wich is mostly piss easy puzzles) with pretty vistas and music. Skipping thru dialog when doing some shitty side quest to quickly get gachabux is infuriating because you have to wait for npcs animation to end. Now that I read what I wrote its mostly negative, huh? Maybe I just want to look at my naked moded Nahida...
>>732295857yes
>>732301214>Most games that aren't hoyo games/FGO are collectathons whereby spending a little bit every month is enoughComplete bullshit.
