How the fuck do some people think this was the better ending?
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He deserved it for screwing over Gustave
>>732294192SUFFERS
Because the people in the painting have a right to live.
>>732294192Maelle's is the better outcomeVerso's is the better ending
>>732294192you tell em doxed bronyOP!
>>732294454this
>>732294454I agree. Too bad they're already dead and Alicia isn't skilled enough to bring them back. Verso's ending is better for them too.
>>732294192They are, unironically, women, at least in spirit unless they are trannies, in that case, they are just delusional men.
>>732294454>>732294617No, don't give me meds. My Hallucination people has right to live!
>>732294746She already brought back Gustave, Sophie and Sciel's husband. She also has begun to fix Lumiere. Maelle's mom had limited power and chroma because Renoir and Clea were fighting her tooth and nail the whole time.
>>732294762Schizos aren't gods, which the Painters pretty much are. The people in the canvases they create are sentient with thoughts, memories and emotions. The painting is for all intents and purposes another dimension.
>>732294192Because the people of Lumiere deserve to live, and Verso deserves to suffer.
>>732295092>She already brought back Gustave, Sophie and Sciel's husbandYou're illiterate if you think anything she does will end up being good. For one, she's insane. Two, she's a god.Everyone there is at her mercy.She'll be a much worse Paintress.
>>732294192Because they aren't Kabbalistic Freemasons.
>>732295346cope, seethe, dilate
>>732294454t. hylic goycattle
>>732294192shalom! I'm a transgender palestinian girl who grew in a jewish household with my jewish adoptive parents who validated my gender and my favorite games are Expedition 33 and Undertale.
>>732295092>She already brought back Gustave, Sophie and Sciel's husbandCorrection: she painted people who look like them. It's unclear if it's actually them considering Gustave and Pierre died of more or less natural causes, meaning their chroma was scattered, and all of them died a relatively long time ago so their chroma might not be intact anyway.>She also has begun to fix LumiereThe epilogue is probably 10 years later with how much older Alicia, Lune and Verso look. All she managed to do in that time was repair the opera house.
>>732294192I'm from Israel and my favorite games are Expedition 33 and Undertale.
>>732295575>>732295650e33 mindraped you kek
Has anyone done a poll on the ending here? Would be interesting to see the split.
>>732294192I'm an atheist jew and my favorite games are Expedition 33 and Undertale.
>>732295401Where's the looming danger when the Nevrons, the Gommage and every other horrible, dangerous thing were all Renoir and Clea's doing?
>>732294192because verso plays the piano
>>732294192>>732294404>>732294425>>732294454>>732294470>>732294515>>732294617>>732294746>age of consent 33any japanese vn or jrpg mogs this piece of goy shit
>>732294454Correct.
>>732295346>Because the people of Lumiere deserve to live>>732294746>Verso deserves to sufferFor what? Doing the right thing?
>>732295575>>732295650this was nintendo does to your brain
>>732294454And so do the people gangstalking you. Sincerely yours, Langley.
>>732294762how are they hallucinations retard, they literally are people. they're completely independent and were literally able to kick out their creator
>>732295703donehttps://strawpoll.com/kogjRrDN9g6
>>732294192I live in Israel and Expedition 33 is my GOTY!
>>732294192People that picked the Verso ending should lose their save and have to start over.People that picked the Maelle ending should get Gustave back and allowed to keep playing.
>>732295838Tom, take your meds.
>>732295703https://strawpoll.com/NPgxed6pAZ2Let’s separate the schizos from the goyim.
>>732295814
>>732295750What humans do when there's nothing but nothing to do? You're naive if you think humans want peace and comfort.What happens when they do something Alicia doesn't want them to do?How long before, instead of the gommage, they stop ageing or be resurrected how she likes them?Alicia will NOT let another Simon happen.
FFX is better because it forces the user to accept that you can't be a little cuck bitch and must accept to let go of things that aren't real.
>>732294192I'm currently in tel aviv and i think Expedition 33 is an awesome game
>>732296070And then the post-credits scene and FFX-2 happen
>>732296057She's letting Verso die. I'd say that's a good sign.
Why does this game cause so much seething
>>732296057I wouldn’t either desu, that guy was a fucking demon. Haven’t even beaten him, I can’t be bothered resetting the fight each time to learn the parry timings
>>732294192because it's fucking hilariousMaelle comes over there and bitch slaps the little boy and tells him to keep painting forever like a good little slave
>>732296230it's good and it's made by white people
>>732296205Nobody from the original team wanted that FFX2 bullshit, let's be real. They were already bankrupt and had no choice.
>>732296212Okay. You /are/ retarded and illiterate.
>>732296212All-White team and cast, not on the tendie tablet and jealousy about it (deservedly) sweeping the game awards.
>>732296401Fuck wrong post.>>732296230
>>732294762There is not s single person in the Dessendre family who doesn't believe they aren't real people. Even the one who wants to erase them.
>>732296230It's a game about finding meaning in life so discord trannies hate it.
>>732294746>Have to make shit up to make her ending look worseYou already lost
>>732296503wrong
>>732295979Uhhhhh... Versobros? Our response?
>>732296330Nah, you are. You're projecting your feelings onto the character. Speculation is fun.
>>732294454but they already all died
>>732294192Because it is.
>>732296580Most sane Dessendre
>>732296580She's the classic child eternally seething because she wasn't the favorite. If Mama and Papa finally lavished her with love like she wanted she'd melt into a puddle.
>>732294192Expedition 33 is VERY GOOD and reminds me of my bar mitzvah
>>732296609>7 votesthis is some next level copium
>>732296648Nope, they're fully realized people with different feelings, thoughts and dreams. Painted Renoir and Renoir are 2 totally separate beings. They even comment on how different they are in the game.
>>732294192It is the better ending. No one has to deal with Alicia's crap anymore, her mom doesn't have to spend every day seeing the disfigured body of the kid who got her son killed. She can't cause any more trouble for her family. They don't have to provide for the mute for the rest of their lives.
>>732296564>Have to make shit upYou mean how Aliciafags make up that her family hates her and she kills herself in Verso's ending?Also, nothing in that post was made up. They all get gommaged at the end of act 2, Alicia is canonically a shit painter, and her ending only shows a handful copypasted featureless dolls as the population of Lumiere.
>>732297002Absolute foot goddess.
>>732296503>There is not s single person in the Dessendre family who doesn't believe they aren't real peopleMedia literacy failed. Caring about the characters you create doesn't mean you think they are real
>>732295978But that would be murder. You won't do me in like that, glowie.
>>732297041You know it. About that, it's infuriating that giving her Clea's outfit also gives her boots
>>732297054Jim Davis doesn't think Garfield is real because he isn't a being with godlike powers who can create new dimensions.
>>732296690painted sex with clea
>>732295827>For what? Doing the right thing?He deliberately orchestrated events to force the family into this uncompromising choice. Alicia's letter to him for Maelle was a plea to the two to try and find a middle ground where both families could exist. Had Verso actually given the letter to Maelle and told the truth earlier, it might have forced the conversation to find a compromise rather than forcing an ultimatum at the last second where no one is given any time to actually work things out. Verso threw away the possibility of finding compromise, and that's why when you meet Alicia in the Reacher, she tells Maelle to send her to her family, in front of Verso, and doesn't say goodbye to him or give him the chance to say goodbye. He was dead to her after what he did.
>>732294192It is the better ending because Verso sucks. And even Verso would've agreed if it wasn't for Alicia going full retard.
>>732296230It validates schizos, telling them their tulpas, voices beamed through their skulls from the satellites and hundreds of people watching their every step is real.
>>732297073You ain't a Painter, sorry Tom. You can be a Driver if you want.
>>732296230It's a Western video game that mogs Japanese games
>>732296615I'll bite.In her ending, Alicia killed pVerso and then brought him back, as he was, for no other reason than to torture him.She could have changed him but instead, she resurrected him knowing he would HATE that.If you can't grasp the hell those people are going to be in, you're retarded.
>>732297210Clea would unpaint me for the unfathomable things I'd do with her.
>>732296745I could help her with that
i study the talmud daily and expedition 33 is the best game ever
>>732297054>The entire emotional core of the story was fake and you were a schizo for caring about it. This game would be another Spec Ops if the story was actually like that
>>732297432>ai edit
>>732297375Because she's still traumatized over his death and can't let him go and instead compromises and gives him his music and eventual death. Maelle isn't perfect. She's a child with PTSD.
>>732297223>Had Verso actually given the letter to Maelle and told the truth earlier, it might have forced the conversation to find a compromise rather than forcing an ultimatum at the last secondTrue. It might also have awoken Alicia earlier, made her refuse to kick out Aline, and fucked everything up. You can't really blame him for prioritizing his family, especially since he does feel bad and genuinely tries to fix it in act 3, at least before Alicia goes schizo and forces him to erase the canvas.>Verso threw away the possibility of finding compromiseTrue, but it's not all on him. A compromise requires everyone to co-operate, and Aline and Alicia never will. If they were willing, he would be too.
>>732297681>...eventual deathDelusional. What is the single reason Alicia chose to stay in the dream?
>>732294192They are Dimitri/Rhea lovers and Edelgard haters. The types that wouldn't pull the level to save 5 people because they can't cope with the feeling they were forced to let 1 die.
You cannot fix her. There is nothing you can do.
>>732297914She says herself it's to live a lifetime with her brother, NOT forever. Why do you think she allowed him to grow old if she was also going to keep him immortal? She's not immortal, and she knows staying in the canvas will kill her eventually. At most the only thing she'd want to keep alive is Verso's soul to keep the canvas alive.
>>732297914The person at the end of the story is almost an entirely new being though, not Alicia Dessendre.
>>732298256Perhaps. But I can try
>>732294192cause fuck verso, play the piano slave
>>732298256You can't. I can.
>>732298256I feel more bad for Gustave and the rest of E33 for how her deterioration will hurt them. All the more reason letting Gustave die was a huge mistake, he'd never let Maelle do this to herself
>parry it
>>732294192Drug addicts or afraid of grass
remember to vote!https://strawpoll.com/kogjRrDN9g6
>>732294454The people of Lumiere were already dead and shit is fucked either way. Either Renoir wipes the Canvas once Alicia dies or Aline just hijacks it again and we do the whole thing over again
>>732298324There is nothing else I can say.You're coping so hard, you're creating fanfic.Your coping is almost as bad as Alicia's cope.
>>732298151But her ending is literally the 'save 5 people, let one die' ending.
>>732294192They're evil.
>>732298724I'm literally quoting the text.
Here's the actual pollhttps://strawpoll.com/NPgxed6pAZ2
>>732294269But enough about New Vegas
>>732298324Anon, Alicia was in max cope mode. She already lied to her father's face and essentially enslaved a remnant of her actual brother's soul. She even brought Gustave and others back that didnt get thanos snapped. What makes you think she is being legit with Painted Verso?
>>732298784Why would you believe her when she contradicts herself in the following scene?Alicia has zero intention to come back to reality. How can you not detect her lie? That is why pVerso stood up against her.
>>732298784Might as well quote the text of what she said to Renoir. She is a liar
>have fun adventures and live life with your new friends and familyor>live life as disfigured, half blind mute with your parents who hate each other and your bitchy sisterAdmit it /v/, you'd go the Maelle route every time if you were in her shoes.
Maelle's ending is best because it makes the Dessendres suffer. A good ending for Lumiere is impossible so they don't deserve one either.
>>732299395I bet she gives mind-bending, one of a kind deep throat blowjobs.
>>732295640Oh so we’re just creating head canon now to justify your shitty taste in endings? As a paintress she brought back people as real as the originals that were there. Sorry if that makes you dilate and seethe. You’re just gonna have to grow up and deal with it. Play the fucking piano verso, you faggot bitch
>>732294617>>732294454They aren't alive, the only one with a "soul" were those who entered into the painting and remaining soul of Verso. The rest are puppets imitating life
>>732299006>What makes you think she is being legit with Painted Verso?Like I already said, she let him grow old. Try to keep up. Again, she's not going to live forever, and neither is the canvas. The situation as it's presented is already fucked up and tortured on its face, you don't need to inject an extra layer of torture to make it look bad.
>implying the Verso ending is "moving on"The Dessendre are fucked. Aline is dying and insane, Verso is dead, Renoir is old and will never recover from losing his wife soon, Alicia is a disfigured, blinded, destroyed girl and Clea, who is the only one with some reason, wants to take the war on the Writers. Not to mention the decades after decades of conflicts between the two parents that only led to more suffering and bitterness. Hell, they even had a dog named Monoco the Third, meaning this family never moves on from death.
>>732299395>with your parents who hate each otherThey clearly don't hate each other in the ending>Admit it /v/, you'd go the Maelle route every time if you were in her shoes.Good thing she had ever loving brother that makes hard choice for her
>>732299395>your parents who hate each otherIt's time to stop projecting.
>>732294192Because he´s a liar that tried to destroy the world. Twice
>>732299395>>732299471Imagine the eyejobs...
>>732299395>Can just make another painting when she's out where she's not all fucked upShe just wants to use Verso as an emotional crutch like mommy.
>>732295914>People that picked the Maelle ending should get Gustave back and allowed to keep playing.People that picked the Maelle ending should be forced to keep their PC turned on 24/7 and play only Expedition 33 over and over and over again.
>>732294192Verso is a lying, manipulative snake and a traitor. And I don't know about you, but I do not hold liars in high regard. This motherfucker can rot in Hell for all I care. Do you know who I cared about? Gustave.
>>732299040I know that, and it's besides the point. She only wants to live out her life with her brother, at the expense of her life in the real world and likely her sanity. Nothing that occurs in the ending contradicts what and says to Verso in the final moments.>>732299195She lies to him to convince him to let her stay. How was she lying to Verso when she does the things she says she wants/would do for him.She said she wanted to live a lifetime with her brother and she does. She bargained with Verso to let her let him grow old, and Verso is old in the ending.Where's the lie?
>>732299835Good thing I'm on console
>>732299471Her throat is permanently scarred. Would probably feel like sandpaper and it literally hurts to breathe for her
>>732294617Nobody in the paintings have a soul. They just think they do.
>>732298324>She says herself it's to live a lifetime with her brother, NOT foreverShe also said that painted Verso is his own person and not Verso(blatant lie as she treats him as OG Verso), she's not like maman, not going to lose herself in the canvas and that Renoir can trust her.She's going to say any lie possible for a chance that Verso might agree to it
>>732299552>Oh so we’re just creating head canon nowNo. We're using what the game tells us. You need to know a person well enough to recreate him. This is stated in the game. You also need a person's chroma intact to recreate him. This is also stated in the game. It's also stated in the game that chroma deteriorates over time.From this, we can draw the conclusion that Alicia can't bring back the people of Lumiere because she doesn't know them well enough, Gustave because he died a long time ago, Pierre because she also doesn't know him, and Sophie because she also died a long time ago.>As a paintress she brought back people as real as the originals that were thereThis is directly shown to be false in the epilogue. The people of Lumiere are featureless copypasted dolls rather than real people. Sorry if that makes you dilate and seethe. You’re just gonna have to grow up and deal with it. Stop fucking huffing paint Alicia, you faggot bitch.
Just so you know, Pierre-Auguste Renoir's mistress, then wife, was named Aline.
>>732299918>Where's the lie?The lie that if he dies before she does she's going to let that stand.
>>732299395Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
I hate how Verso's ending is so clean. There is absolutely no way the Dessendres would mend so effectively and so quickly after everything they have been through and did to each other. They are a whole family of basket cases.
>>732299571Wrong. They're alive. This was literally stated by the devs in an interview since it apparently wasn't obvious enough. The Verso ending is still better.
>>732299552It's so weird how Versofags always have to resort to making shit up to make z Maelle's ending look bad, even though the circumstances are already horrible and already irreconcilable. Underneath every one of those head canon posts is the unspoken admission that they can't properly justify mass genocide in their hearts, so they have to make up a version of the story where the alternative is several orders of magnitude worse and not worth it or doesn't achieve what you want out of it.
>>732299652>Aline is dying and insaneShe seems pretty healthy and sane here >>732299658>Renoir is old and will never recover from losing his wife soonHe won't lose her.>Alicia is a disfigured, blinded, destroyed girlShe'll be fine. She's a rich aristocrat who'll never have to work a day in her life.>Clea, who is the only one with some reason, wants to take the war on the Writers.She can handle it with help from Renoir and Aline.>the decades after decades of conflicts between the two parents that only led to more suffering and bitternessThey don't seem to be too bitter in that pic.
>>732300224It's also stated by all the real world people in universe. Renoir and Verso both say/treat them like real people.
>>732300217>after everything they have been through and did to each other.Verso is the one who kicked out Aline and Alicia out of painting and then burned it down. They can't be angry at Renoir for that, Verso already took all that burden on himselfThe only animosity that might be left is if Aline still blames Alicia for what happened
>>732300525Aline and Renoir battle for decades. Renoir was imprisoned for years. Aline had to watch her people die year after year, watch her painted family fight for her. Alicia was subjected to another 16 years of life as Maelle which is the whole reason she is so conflicted by the end, literally torn between both of her lives. Clea went full psycho on Simon and her painted counterpart which the rest must know about. They had to eliminate another world of life just so they can grieve. Alicia is in pain and rejected by her sister and mother. Renoir failed to keep them in check.This is not a healthy and functional family, magic powers warping what is normal doesn't change that.
>>732294404Actually yes. Play the piano, Verso. Keep fucking playing.>>732294192Real answer; the people in the painting deserve to have some chill time now that all cards lay on the table.
>maellefagsKEK
>>732301074>the people in the paintingare already dead and can't be brought back.
>>732299835Absolutely based
>>732300956They all clearly see painted people as something lesser.Just remember how Alicia in start of act 3 reacts to Verso killing everyone in Lumiere(by knowingly kicking out Aline), she has zero animosity toward him. Her only complaint that he didn't tell her truth sooner
>>732294192I really wish op's put more effort into their posts. Id have a reply but i wont put effort in if the op comes from a low effort probably troll perspective
>>732299835>AAAAAAAAHHHHHH PLEASE MAKE IT STOP I CAN'T TAKE LIVING IN A WORLD OF MAGIC AND WONDER WITH GOD LIKE POWERS WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS WHO LOVE ME AND HEALTHY FUNCTIONAL BODY SOMEBODY SAVE MEEEEEE AAAAAAAAHHHHHH
>>732299980Not everything has to be about her. She needs to learn I have wants to.
>>732301376I know they have a more detached perspective towards their creations but its still part of the overall mess they are in.
>>732294747the phrase you wrote unironically makes no sense even when trying to guess what you were attempting to say, proving trannies melted your brain.
>>732300956>Alicia is in pain and rejected by her sister and mother.Clea is brash, straightforward and spiteful. But she does not hate her sister
>>732299993this applies to over 90% of "humanity"
>>732302057Only brown people
>>732302057I would nuke India like Verso nuked Lumiere. And I would be hailed as hero
>>732300018But she didn't lie to him though. Her ending is exactly what she said she wanted, she only begged him to want to live. There's nothing to lie to him about - he wants to die, she wants him to live, she's going to make him live regardless of his desires - what she's doing is bargaining with him in hopes he'll eventually find the desire to live and be happy. Her lie to Renoir was that she wasn't going to stay the canvas forever. Her lie to Verso was... What? That she wanted him to live?
>>732302202>he wants to dieWrong. He wants her and Aline to not die. He doesn't care what happens to him either way as long as that's guaranteed.>in hopes he'll eventually find the desire to live and be happy. That can't happen as long as she's killing herself in the canvas.
>>732297496>The entire emotional core of the story was fake and you were naive for caring about it.Yes, there is one (1) soul in the canvas.
fag33 is a shit game
>>732302202her lie is that she "just want to live this lifetime together". This is were lie is, she wants to live as long as she can in that canvas until she dies in real life
>>732299395Easily. There is 0 doubt in my mind I would choose the Maelle ending if I were in her shoes. That doesn't make it right and that's partly why Verso is such a hero.
>>732302560Based. Pa*nters have no souls.
>>732302882>wrigger typed these words
>>732299993Define what a soul is.
>>732294425https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRq9ATmkKaI
Sex with Alicia dressed as CleaTell Clea you're sleepy when she asks for sex
>>732300073You got it backwards. It's not that she couldn't bring everyone back because their chroma was deteriorated, it's that and wouldn't be able to do it with just the impure chroma she had access to, since Renoir controlled the rest of the chroma.
>>732295814More buzzwords, please. You impressionable children need to fuck off back to TikTok.
The twist is The Writers are the good guys.
>>732300217We only see one moment of peace between the family. There's no guarantee that things will remain peaceful forever or that some of those negative feelings aren't still there, like Aline blaming Alicia
>>732294192>How the fuck do some people think this was the better ending?>Verso tells the TRUTH (ultra rare footage!)https://voca.ro/1gDA2t4XL7dQImplying I'd ever side with this fucking clown lmao
>>732301376She has no animosity because she knows now that they can just be brought back.
>>732302737Those two desires are not mutually exclusive
>>732294454lumerians are fan fiction
>>732301541end game is boring as fuck. post game would just be culling random nevrons with no challenge for 100s of years. really great life
>>732303819ironically the last thing maelle does is lie like a cunt
>>732302412>Wrong. He wants her and Aline to not die. He doesn't care what happens to him either way as long as that's guaranteed.He's literally begging Maelle to unpaint him and whimpering in desperation that he doesn't want this life.They are not mutually exclusive.
>>732303883When he argues that it's better for everyone to get erased she doesn't try to say that it would be evil but that's not what Verso would have wantedShe has no animosity toward him when he tells her that he let Gustave dieShe has no animosity toward him even while he is erasing the canvas
>>732304235>Like a cuntMaelle lied to save the canvas and all life in it. Once. Verso lied to kill everyone and himself like a cunt. Every time he breathed.
>>732300345The mass genocide already happened in both endings. Maelle just makes more, lower quality people in her ending, because she's not as powerful as her mother.
>>732304439she did it for herself and no one else
>>732304439>Maelle lied to save the canvas and all life in it. Once>OncewrongMaelle lied that pVerso is his own person(for her he is not)Maelle lied that she's not like mamanMaelle lied she's doing it for LumiereMaelle lied in that case not to save anyone, because painting is already going to be saved, but to hide her real plan
Anons hear me out.I was really convinced by the Verso ending too but then I replayed the game and something startled me.In Verso's ending, Gustave is not waving at Alicia, but beckoning her.The man that she cared for most as Maelle is calling her over. To join him in death. That's like the opposite of a hopeful ending. Maelle ends up the litteral parallel to painted Verso in hers. Trapped in a life she doesn't want wishing she could die.There is high chance Maelle will kill herself in the future as this is strongly hinted by the writers.
>>732304191>Not partying/brawling with Gestrals all day>Not having passionate and thoughtful battles of the spoken word with the Grandis>Not having lots of hot and extremely French life-enjoyment with all the young, pent up and virile women that all have a new lease on life.VersoFAG is right
>>732304552>she did it for herself and no one elseJust like Verso, then :)>"I'm tired"That's why he's nuking the canvas. Anything else is secondary. >MaelleDoesn't give a fuck about Maelle. Literally tells her "just paint another canvas bro if you don't want to live this life lmao" in his ending as she fades.>>732304635Lots of reaching here and pretending she doesn't care about Lumiere to push this fanfic.
What's the name of the song right before you make the Verso/Maelle choice? The one with the organ.
>>732304802Maelle is also getting gommaged, in other word Alicia is saying goodbye to that part of her
>>732305012https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYtPT_Ik-8?
>>732304429She still is operating under the assumption that they're going to be brought back, and knowing the full truth about his motivations and the nature of the canvas and herself. It's already too late and also very redundant to call out the immorality of mass genocide, what she tries to appeal to is what Verso would think is right. And she gets pretty heated in the final confrontation watching him reach out to Verso's soul to make him stop painting and is horribly desperate and pleading with him when she's beaten. I'm not sure why you're trying to argue this point that would invalidate Maelle's entire motivation, as if the only thing that matters to her is being with Verso
>>732304451False
>>732305205https://youtu.be/9HsMVig_B_A?si=gJcjnVH2XXhIp9ckI'm retarded. Is it the same one that starts around 1:30 or a version of it? Thanks regardless.
>>732305412No it's different, I don't know if this one was released
>>732304802>There is high chance Maelle will kill herself in the future as this is strongly hinted by the writers.implying this is bad
>>732294192>How the fuck do some people think this was the better ending?why wouldn't it be?
>>732304903She literally doesn't care about Lumiere. Maelle never cared about Lumiere. She wanted a life of adventure outside of the cage, and then once she remembered what life truly was outside of the cage, she wanted back in.
>>732305024I don't think it's possible to forget living 16 years of an entirely different life.
>>732308250Oh, please. As soon as she got her memories back, the first thing she wanted to do was restore it and called it her "home" - triggering Renoir and staging the climax. And this was after years of feeling "Lumiere isn't my home" due to her subconscious as Alicia. After reconciling 16 years as "Maelle" and 16 years as "Alicia" - she made it clear she values Lumiere and the people she refuses to lose more.
>>732308693Yeah, once she got ALICIA'S memories back. You know, the girl who wants to run away from her life.
>>732309149And "ALICIA" was the one subconsciously telling Maelle she did not belong in Lumiere, since her goal was to assist Renoir, get Aline out the canvas, and return. If it wasn't obvious, this was straight up confirmed by Jennifer Svedberg-Yen,. And yet when her memories return, a cost benefit analysis makes the restored Alicia prioritize Lumiere over her original home. It's not rocket science.
>>732309404> a cost-benefit analysisYes, that her "Brother" was in the canvas, and that she didn't need to deal with her reality, all while being a minor god.
>>732297002I don't know about that, anon. She looks dead inside.
>All the dudes in the squad go Verso ending>All the chicks in the squad go Maelle endingIf you went with Maelle ending you are either a woman or a fag
>>732294192Because Verso deserves way way worse but this is the most I was allowed to do
>>732296940>The people of Lumiere are basically subject to Alicia's whims>This is assuming Aline doesn't continue to sperg out and just seize control of the canvas again
>>732309613You can keep repeating yourself until you vomit. Maelle cares about Lumiere, you cope about it with your preferred narrative of choice. That fact will not change.
>>732310178>Maelle cares about LumiereShe wanted to get the fuck out of there first chance she got. Unless you mean she "cares" about it insofar as to how much it means to the party members she bonded with and it serves as what she feels to be a preferable alternative to leaving the Canvas
>verso endingI see Clea again>maelle endingI don't see Clea again
>>732294192they're NEETs
>>732294192this game is trash bro
>>732310337Don't worry, you'll see Clea again in the Maelle ending when Renoir asks her to go yank Maelle out. She's about to make the Gommage look like a fucking joke.
>>732310632i can't believe /v/ is STILL seething over this game kek
>>732310809I think this reignited the seethe
>>732310837oh yeah good point
>>732294192Because if you accept that painted people are sentient, Verso can suck a dick alongside its family, they can pay to go to therapy.
>>732310317Your criteria for "caring" is irrelevant to the discussion. If you want to extrapolate that to only her "friends" (or the other orphans she bonded with, but of course you'll ignore that) then whatever. If you want to keep being dishonest and pretend everything was about Verso ( you will) - sure. There's no reason for this conversation to continue.
>>732309891>Ending that saves all the French hotties makes you gayOk buddy
Best girl was right. Verso is a liar and a coward.
>NO MAELLE! YOU MUST LIVE AS DESFIGURED FREAK WITH A FAMILY THAT HATES YOUR GUTS. DON'T GO TO THE PAINTED WORD AN LIVE A THOUSAND YEARS IN A NICER WORLD, YOU MUST BETRAY EVERYONE THERE AND KILL THEM, OR YOUR FAMILY WILL BE SAD IN THEIR MANSION!!!!
>>732300114Why let him grow old then? Why the implicit promise of eventual rest and living out a full life to it's natural conclusion? You think Maelle thinks all Verso wanted was wrinkles?
>>732294192Only drug addicts go with Maelle's ending
>>732311303The problem is she was trying to kill herself so no, Alicia is still a massive retard. The obvious good ending was to use the Canvas in moderation and responsibly but that's asking too much from Aline and Alicia.Renoir was right
>>732311028>SavesMost of em were already gone and the Canvas is definitely getting wiped anyway. All her ending amounts to is her playing god in it for awhile until she either dies or Aline takes over. That world was doomed the moment Painted Alicia's route got locked
>>732311424>why let him grow oldShe's not going to. On the off chance he threatens to die before her, there's approximately zero chance she doesn't Aline him.
>>732300217>So quicklyI mean to be fair they've been dealing with time dilation for decades or more in the Canvas. It was most certainly not "quick". Aline most certainly was pissed at Alicia since she purposely made the painted version with her scars and stuff, but by the time you reach the Paintress fight she is happy to see Alicia
>>732311525>wife is crazy>daughter PTSD ridden mess>other daughter is a bitch Poor bastard.
>>732311828I genuinely felt bad for the dude. They treat him like the bad guy but he was right that at that point the Canvas had to go. Aline showing up in the boss fight just proved to painted Verso that not wiping the Canvas just wasn't going to work in the long run. Bitches be crazy
Life keeps forcing cruel choices. Now back to the real world, bitch.
>>732311752>She's not going to.Play the game >>732294192
>>732311659>Preserving life is pointless because we're all gonna die eventually and the sun's gonna explode and destroy earth
>>732312069Maybe, but note how Aline renters the painting not to try and stay again, and leaves willingly after the fight is over. It's a both a small action but is also a really big development for her and proves that she has the capacity to let go of the canvas.
>>732312832Preserving what life? Lune and Sciel? Everyone else is a stain that you are repainting from scratch, something you can do in any canvas.
>>732313083I think that was partly more her fading out because she was sick as all fuck by that point and didn't have control of the chroma
Life keeps forcing cruel choices. Now play the fucking piano and LIVE, bitch.
>>732313128>Everyone else is a stain that you are repainting from scratch, something you can do in any canvas.Wrong
>>732313297She certainly wasn't yelling at Renoir to let her back into the canvas. And she also doesn't jump back in after Renoir is forced out
>>732309891I can't think of anything more bipolar (feminine) than abandoning your mission to save your people, your world, and betraying the comrades you've bonded with because of a family drama sob story you heard about in the last five minutes of the game. Peak faggot behavior.
>>732313903>wrongThey were already gommaged, their chroma is dissipated. Maelle didn't bring Gustave back.
>>732314354>Her peopleNot her people and they were all dead anyway>Her worldNot her world. It's Clea's and Verso's.>ComradesFamily>Paint
>>732313959You are ignoring the time dilation. Relatively speaking she DID jump right back in, and this is taking into account that Clea and Alicia hid the canvas too. She found it in probably 15 minutes to a half hour roughly their time and was right back in and following that she was like a zombie as Renoir shows.
>>732314926This is not about Maelle. This is an indictment on YOU being a faggot and siding with Verso like a schizo and condemning the world you spent 40 hours saving because "m-muh famlee GREEF" since Renoir and Verso cried long enough. Just like any non loyal hoe swayed by feelings and convincing themselves they're making rational decisions.
>>732315184That world isn't real. Get off minecraft Maelle.
>>732315250Lying to yourself won't make your omnicide any less deranged.
>>732315184World's fucked, world's dead, killing two more people doesn't change that fact any more than letting the tiny god sit in her delusion cage.
>>732315281>DerangedThinks enslaving a sibling's soul in what was their personal nightmare so a young girl can commit suicide is the good ending
>>732315184Nigga they were already dead.
>>732315476>>732315541"Dead", not truly dead because their chroma still existed and they could be reconstructed from it. Only when the canvas is destroyed are they truly dead. That copout isn't going to work. >>732315496Never said it was "good." Just better than the shit one you picked. Maelle still gets to live a full life and then some in the canvas via time dilation - decades upon decades more than she would in the "real" world going by Aline and Renoir. Why would I care if she "commits suicide" in the outside world in two weeks time? That's a fucking Renoir problem.
>>732315476>>732315541The gestrals and grandis were still around.
>>732316156Gestrals do not care about death and the Grandis were barely handing on, one bad Nevron invasion away from death. Post-fracture, all the hope in the canvas was lost.
>>732315937>Their chroma still existedIt was gommaged and wasn't restored right away. At that point you can accomplish the same thing in a new canvas. Also no, subjecting a remnant of your brother's soul to his personal hell so you can shit on his sacrifice by committing suicide in a twisted post apocalyptic dollhouse is not better. Maelle's ending is peak selfishness and inability to move past grief which ultimately results in more pain in the end
>>732315937>you should do drugs because you'll live a fulfilling life high off your ass until you die from substance abuse
The Dussendre family in the "real world" are actually in a painting too.
>>732294192I just chose Verso to dunk on Maelle so it reflected the first fight in the game where Gustave dunked on her.
>>732316762No, they're in a book silly
>>732316840So (((The Writers))) setting the fire was their way of "gommaging" their creations - The Dessendres? Kino.
>>732316585>It was gommaged and wasn't restored right awayJesus Christ, Versofags continually proving they retatined zero lore. That is not how it works. "Old Chroma" in which revival is not possible is only for those slain by Nevrons and had their chroma trapped in their corpses. That does not apply to the gommaged who can be brought back. >ultimately results in more pain in the endAccording to who? (You?) Yeah no, fuck off. Play your piano or keep the light on. >>732316743>More low IQ drug analogies that cannot see the forest for the trees(You)
>>732316390>Bullshit excuses on the fly As expected.
>>732317150>who can be brought backWhy didn't Alicia being back Gustave immediately? I mean surely his chroma was accessible right? He wasn't killed by a Nevron, where is his chroma?
>>732317485Surely you played the goddamn game when Maelle explained that Renoir had all the chroma, which is the reason they needed to beat him, right? Of course not, you are retarded. You sided with Verso, after all.
>>732317485Because it would have been silly from a gameplay standpoint.
>>732317683>he had all the chromaShe literally just grabbed Lune and Sciel from him and fucked off. Surely if Gustave was just floating there too, she would grab him?
>>732294454>>732294617>>732294746>>732295815Lumiere is an Aline creation in Verso's canvas.They don't belong there
>>732317691How? You can already decide your front and backrows however you feel like
>>732294192Yeah, I always kill everybody to prevent the pretty man being sad. Like it's black and white and stuff. That's bad.
>>732294192Because some people follow their heart instead of letting the game gaslight them
>>732299395im a better artist than her so I would make my own painting to waste away in instead of melty france with puppet people
>>732315184the world felt really shallow and artificial, so the genocide didnt seem so bad
>>732294192
>>732294454Renoir already did the dirty work. He already killed literally everyone except for Lune and Sciel cause Maelle revived them.The only painted beings still alive are:>The Gestrals - Who generally don't give a shit about life or death>The Grandis - Who also don't seem to care that much>The Nevrons - most of which don't even think (those that do at least got some closure in the white nevron quest)>Verso - Who clearly votes to let things end>Esquie - Who clearly goes with Verso's vote>Monoco - Who clearly goes with Verso's vote>Sciel - Who is likely fine with either outcome as she's experienced both sides of things and knows she'll be with Pierre either way>Lune - Who is the only one that probably is on Maelle's side cause she wanted her life to mean somethingThat's it. If we're putting it up to the value of those left in the painting, it's pretty clear that ending it is the right thing. Yes, Maelle CAN revive a lot of people, but she's just bringing back copies at that point that will just live empty "only good things" lives till Maelle kills herself with the painting and then they'll all disappear again. Or Renoir will return and force another Fracture and suffering.
>>732321419Or are just consistent. >Game is about the people of the canvas and saving Lumiere from the Gommage>Go full retard and nuke the canvas and retroactively invalidate the game because of a single family's griefThe moment Verso tried to stop Maelle, I audibly said "You can go, but you're going alone." No way in hell did I play this game for 50 hours just to abandon the mission to save this fucking family. It is unmitigated retardation.>>732322679So is your input on the subject. Did not ask.
>>732322834The Gestrals don't give a shit about death because they go to their afterlife, from which they can even come back from.You know what happens to that afterlife when the Painting is destroyed, right?
>>732323103if they cared so much then why do they help verso despite knowing his plan?
>>732323285>theyYou mean Monoco, you dumb fuck? Monoco who literally wonders if he puts up with Verso's bullshit because he was specifically painted to be that way?
>>732314847This game is too mature for your childish mind. You can't handle the idea of two opposing choices not being black and white morality so you have to project one onto the text so it makes more sense to you.
>>732315096Irrelevant. She still left on her own afterwards. She didn't come back to fight for control of the canvas.
>>732304365>He's literally begging Maelle to unpaint him and whimpering in desperation that he doesn't want this life.He's also asking her to stop Verso's painting first. When she refuses, he at least doesn't want to be alive to see it.If all he wanted was to die, he'd let Renoir erase him at the start of act 3.>They are not mutually exclusive.That was kind of my point. He doesn't mind dying, but his top priority is saving his family.
>>732303417>It's not that she couldn't bring everyone back because their chroma was deterioratedThat's at least part of it. Chroma deteriorates over time and that's why she wasn't able to bring back the previous expeditioners properly, even though their chroma was neatly stored in their bodies. It's maybe debatable how fast that happens, but at least Pierre died so long ago he couldn't be brought back. It's been at least months since Gustave and Sophie too.She also needs to know the person well enough. That's what Verso explains in the scene she brings Lune and Sciel back. So if she had access to everyone's chroma, she could bring back Gustave, Emma and maybe Sophie, but not Pierre and everyone else in Lumiere since she doesn't know them.
>>732304903>That's why he's nuking the canvas. Anything else is secondary. Wrong. He did what he did to save Aline first and then Alicia. Getting to die is secondary.>Lots of reaching here and pretending she doesn't care about Lumiere to push this fanfic.>Lumiere's not my home. Not the way it is for you.Can you read what that quote says? Interpret the meaning it's conveying? I'll help. She doesn't give a shit about Lumiere.
>>732312832There's a difference between the sun going supernova in 5 billion years, before which we can find another suitable solar system, and Renoir coming to erase the canvas in maybe 2-3 decades, which can't be prevented or avoided.If Alicia cared about Lumiere, she could leave and Renoir would have no need to erase the canvas.
>>732325545People only petrify the way they do on the continent when they're killed by Nevrons. It's assumed people die normally otherwise, since the petrification and entrapment of their chroma was the entire purpose of the Nevrons.>She also needs to know the person well enough. That's what Verso explains in the scene she brings Lune and Sciel back.He specifically says "Painting [...] is about essence The truth of who they are". She's able to identify and gather Lune and Sciel's chroma, so there has to be an inherent essence to everyone that a painter can see and manipulate. Lune actually alludes to this element of chroma in one of her conversations with Maelle about how she can feel the presence of all the people she's lost when she uses chroma. Maelle asks her if she literally means she can feel Gustave's presence and she confirms that's exactly what she experiences.
>>732315937>not truly dead because their chroma still existed and they could be reconstructed from it.Not by a painter as shit as Alicia, as we literally see in her ending.>>732317150>That does not apply to the gommaged who can be brought backMaybe not, but the chroma won't be intact after Renoir reused it to paint the axons and do all his flashy attacks in the final fight.
>>732294454But Verso isn't the one who created the people of Lumière, why should he be forced to keep painting against his will to keep them alive?
>>732313297If that was the case and painters automatically left when close to death, the entire plot of the game wouldn't need to happen since Aline wouldn't need to be saved. She left on her own, and if Alicia was reasonable too, Renoir wouldn't need to destroy the canvas.
>>732316762>>732316840They're actually in a video game, retards.
hypothetically, could maelle repaint my cock to be bigger?
>>732311079And she would still still have sex with him
>>732326160>People only petrify the way they do on the continent when they're killed by NevronsYes. I wasn't denying that.>It's assumed people die normally otherwiseYes, and their chroma dissipates into the canvas instead of being neatly trapped in their bodies. It'll be faster if anything.>Painting [...] is about essence The truth of who they areCorrect. And you would need to know someone to know who they are.>Lune actually alludes to this element of chroma in one of her conversations with Maelle about how she can feel the presence of all the people she's lost when she uses chromaMeaning she can't feel any random person, only those she knows well enough. Then it logically follows that that also applies to painting.
>>732325989There isn't a difference, just as there's no difference with how the story starts when humanity fighting and raging against the gommage. The mission hasn't changed, and the nature of their world means there's more than just hope for the preservation of those still alive, they can literally bring back everyone they lost. The world of the canvas is one where death isn't final yet you try and argue as though it is Renoir sparing the canvas if Alicia can willingly leave it is something I do want to believe, but her not doing that is not an indication that she didn't care about Lumiere, she had her reasons both to want to stay in the canvas for the rest of her life and believe (even if she was lying to herself) that Renoir would erase the canvas the moment she left. It's just another layer of both sides being uncompromising and unable to trust each other
>>732326279Because he himself says they are real people with real human souls and have a right to live
Maelle can always paint better Lumiere. She can paint, she can live.There’s a reason why that ending is called >A life to loveAlicia is self hating teenager that’s personally responsible for all bad things happening to herself, despite how much other people try to help her. When you go to Reacher she mops how none loves her and she’s a failure despite her Axon being most hopeful and Renoir loves her the most. It’s time to grow up and accept responsibilities
>>732327046Yes but Verso is dead, why shouldn't he be allowed to rest? Why torture the last piece of his soul and force him to keep painting forever?
>>732327046Even then, its a The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas situation. Is the eternal suffering of a childs soul worth it? Not to mention their god is rotting away in front of them?
>>732294454>NOOOO, DAD DON'T UNPLUG MY PC! THE SIMS FAMILY I MADE IS MY REAL FAMILY NOW!>VERSO YOU FUCKING DUMB SIM, PLAY THE FUCKING PIANO OR I'LL PUT YOU INTO A SWIMMING POOL AND DELETE LADDERS
>>732316936The writers were the devs.They're the final boss.
>people who pick Verso ending are doing it for Alicia>people who pick Maelle ending are doing it to torture VersoSays a lot about priorities
Go and read a book or something, no, even something pure shit like Doki Doki literature club which is a western creation inspired by eastern genres similar to this game, has a more complex story than this. I’m not arguing against the gameplay or the music, just the narrative, the most revered part of it. It’s really bad.I’d even say Disco Elysium is better than this but because it wasn’t as astroturfed as this (if at all I wouldn’t know) it gets shat on by people here.
>>732329248> has a more complex story than thisThat’s a brainlet take, story must be good not simply complex.
>>732296690>her room is literally filled with paintings and sculptures of disturbing murderous monsters she keeps creatingdoubt.jpg
>>732309891Sciel accepts the Verso ending with grace though, despite her preference being the Maelle ending.
>>732314354The mission was to stop the paintress, if you made Maelle the paintress, you failed the mission
>>732326521If she had sex in the painting, what would her real body be doing?
>>732314354We are playing as Verso. His mission is to save his sister and I’m going to do it if it means killing every single grandis, ne nevron and gestral
>>732326975>There isn't a differenceThere is a difference. Our civilization has only existed for a fraction of the time until the sun explodes and we can find a way to either escape or even prevent it. In contrast, Lumiere has existed for ~100 years and has maybe 20-30 left, and can do nothing to prevent it. And this is all assuming that Alicia can even bring them all back, which the ending doesn't exactly support.>they can literally bring back everyone they lost.They can't without their chroma and a skilled painter, both of which they lack.>The world of the canvas is one where death isn't finalIt's not quite as final as in ours, but there are still limits and rules.>It's just another layer of both sides being uncompromising and unable to trust each otherAgreed on that. It's what makes the story so great. A good ending is a 5 minute conversation away, yet no one is able to do that.
>your teenage daughter won't stop playing her vr ai game and basically starves to death doing iti mean neither ending is happy but no responsible parent would let her do that
>>732299395she can still paint and is able to do create new worlds and friends
>>732330857> A good ending is a 5 minute conversation away, yet no one is able to do that.Verso tried talk some sense into Maelle but she wouldn’t budge
>>732330053Sciel was the hidden best girl. She was truly the most mature and understanding character in the game.
>>732330053Sciel suffered too much
>>732331408But she already has a husband. While Lune was probably a virgin(she dated a guy who never got over Sophie), pouts, pretends to be angry at Verso and even hits him. That’s hot
>>732296230Praised as GOTY until jeets discovered there weren't 400 poos on payroll doing the job of 10 people
>>732328437I believe it is compared to the alternative
>>732328058Because countless lives get to continue existing
>>732333668I fundamentally disagree, if I had to torture a kid forever to keep my hometown alive I couldnt do it.
>>732332153>hashad*
>>732329087>>732297002
>>732333717And that's perfectly valid. Both choices are terrible.
>>732331214All thanks to Verso forcing an ultimatum into Maelle at the last possible moment and deliberately sabotaging any earlier opportunity to find a compromise
>>732333889Totally. I think the choice is less about which is morally better and how much you care about each group of characters and what happens to them. I think the Dessendres mean a lot to me because I see my family in them, and their grieving feels more personal to me. The idea of them watching Alicia slowly erode sounds terrible. I love Lune and Sciel, but at least we know for a fact that gommaging is painless, so they won't be suffering, and we can't even guarantee that with however Renoir will inevitably destroy the canvas.
>>732333982Anon the whole point is that the Dessendres won't compromise. I'm not saying they're in the right and not assholes, but Renoir will not rest until his family is out of the painting and its destroyed, because he knows they love Verso too much to let it continue to exist.
>>732330857>There is a difference.You've not actually described a meaningful difference. Lumiere is only on borrowed time because of Renoir and Verso being hell-bent on destroying the canvas. It could very really survive for as long as a magical canvas can survive natural causes. But that's all besides the point. It doesn't matter how much or how little time a world or it's inhabitants have, there is no excuse not to preserve life given the opportunity. There is no rational argument against it.>They can't without their chroma and a skilled painter, both of which they lack.False
>>732334260>FalseNTA but Alicia admits she was only able to bring Lune and Sciel because she manaegd to grab their chroma right after their gommage.
>>732333982> Verso forcing an ultimatum into Maelle at the last possible momentHe forced no ultimatum. He asked her to moderate painting usage, that she can try leaving painting and then coming back, she forced ultimatum on him
>>732332153>probably a virginShe and Gustave fucked
>>732297002
>>732294454They do, but the ending is not about that. Maelle is clearly controlling them, it's like theater.Are they truly happy? As long as they're doing exactly what Maelle expects them to, they might be.But it's clearly not a good longterm solution for any of the parts.
>>732333982>All thanks to Verso forcing an ultimatum into MaelleBecause he saw right through Maelle's lies and unlike Renoir he didn't give up.
>>732334334He did it by trying to destroy the canvas after Renoir had finally conceded and left. The conflict was over and Renoir finally accepted whatever Maelle decided to do without interference.
>>732334320And she is a skilled painter and has full control of the chroma in her ending.
>>732334091And my whole point is Verso is still completely at fault for refusing to even try. They are only as uncompromising as they are because of how dire the situation had gotten for them and how emotionally damaged and disconnected they all are. Verso was given the suggestion to try and be the mediator to find peace and he wiped his ass with it. No wonder his sister made him watch her commit assisted suicide.
>>732334481And he lead events right to the point where any alternative was no longer possible
>>732334260>Lumiere is only on borrowed time because of Renoir and Verso being hell-bent on destroying the canvasTrue. And Alicia could change that easily if she cared.>there is no excuse not to preserve life given the opportunityAgreed again, but Lumiere is already dead. There's no moral duty to bring them back. And this is all assuming Alicia can bring them back which is doubtful given what we see in the epilogue.>FalseTrue.>>732334537>she is a skilled painterNo she isn't.>has full control of the chroma in her endingThat doesn't mean the chroma of each individual person is intact enough to bring them back. Renoir just used it to paint 4 axons and create black holes and shit.
>>732334468>They do, but the ending is not about that. Like hell it isn't>Maelle is clearly controlling them, it's like theater.>Writing fanfiction
>>732334494No, Verso forced Maelle to admit what she’s actually after and exposed her lies. Only after that did he decide to destroy the canvas His whole argument in the end was>Im willing for canvas to remain unless it endangers your life.
>>732334825Yet you see Verso not wanting to move and with Maelle staring at him, his hands start to tremble. It's clearly implied if you're aren't retarded.She's a new paintress in her little toybox. The cycle continues.
>>732294192fag33 is a faggot game made by faggots using unreal engine sloppa and unreal engine asset store assets and animations. the writing of the story (muh depression and traumas reeee), characters and dialogue is also truly unbearable unless youre a massive faggot yourself. would not recommend this turd to anyone, unless youre a faggot of course.
>>732334380Nah, Gustave clearly was into Sophie all that time even when they dated
>>732334825Are you literally so blind or retarded not to see how Verso is resisting? Hands and breathing trembling, the delaying. The fact that Maelle goes all painter eyes when the music starts which means she is exerting her paintress powersYou Maelle fags are unbelievably delusional.
>>732334823>There's no moral duty to bring them backYou're a sociopath then.>this is all assuming Alicia can bring them back which is doubtful given what we see in the epilogue.>No she isn't.>That doesn't mean the chroma of each individual person is intact enough to bring them back.I'm not gonna continue this conversation if you're gonna keep gaslighting about what's in the ending
For the Maelle supporters here:Thoughts on AI? Is ChatGPT a person? Will it be a person if it gets conversational enough? Will it be a person if it creates child AIs?Do you feel a moral obligation to choose the life of the AI over your sister?
>>732334886So willing that he spent 16 years orchestrating the canvas's destruction by manipulating Maelle and E33 into destroying themselves
>>732334941>>732335085https://www.fanfiction.net/
>>732335237>Irrelevant time wasting questions
>>732335241You’re talking about act 1-2. I’m talking about act 3, he is clearly ready to let canvas and Lumiere remain unless doing so will cost Alicia her life
>>732335286Oh are we doing this kind of retard arguments?Here's one for you thenhttps://jadeaba.org/why-do-people-with-autism-struggle-with-body-language/
>>732296950She brought Lune and Sciel back exactly as they were, memories and personalities intact. She's not a shit painter, just inexperienced and needed a little guidance. She explicitly says the expeditioners she brings back have old, impure chroma, but everyone else in Lumiere she brings back died very recently so who's to say she couldn't bring them back as effectively as Lune and Sciel?
>>732335402She literally had access to source code of Sciel and Lune and still needed Verso help to put them back together. She is worst painter in the family, it’s a fact
>>732335123>You're a sociopath then. No. Bringing someone dead back is not equivalent to preventing someone from dying. With the latter, you do have a moral duty, but not with the former. They're fundamentally different scenarios.>I'm not gonna continue this conversation if you're gonna keep gaslighting about what's in the endingWhat's in the ending? You mean the copypasted featureless blank people of Lumiere? How is telling you what happens in the game gaslighting?
>>732294192genuinely and unironically it's just because they like to larp as le gigachadrenoir would beat every single anon's ass itt for spending as much time as they do here but they'll pretend like they're on the same side like indians with jews
>>732299571now imagine after your faggy Verso ending some chode comes along and tells the family "sike, you are in a painting as well akschually, now you die" there is literally nothing you could say against this since you defended this corny premise. this shit could have been acceptable if this shitty writers actually committed to portraying the people of lumiere as "fake" and not "real but akschually"
>>732335402>She brought Lune and Sciel back exactly as they were, memories and personalities intactThat's because she 1: had their chroma and 2: knew them. 1 doesn't apply to Gustave, Pierre, Sophie, and arguably the people of Lumiere. 2 doesn't apply to Pierre, the people of Lumiere and arguably Sophie.>She explicitly says the expeditioners she brings back have old, impure chroma, but everyone else in Lumiere she brings back died very recentlyGustave and Sophie died likely months ago considering they crossed an entire continent since then. Pierre died years ago. Both Gustave and Pierre died naturally meaning their chroma wasn't neatly trapped like those killed by Nevrons or absorbed like those gommaged.Considering the rules and limitations we know painting follows, there's little reason to believe they could be brought back.>so who's to say she couldn't bring them back as effectively as Lune and Sciel?The fact that Lune and Sciel were brought back under completely different conditions, for one.
>>732336047>Gustave and Sophie died likely months agoAs opposed to the expeditioners she brings back who were killed by nevrons decades ago, yes. The chroma trapped in their bodies seems to "go bad" when they're killed by nevrons, as opposed to gommaged people whose chroma seems to stay pure, Clea deliberately designed nevrons to make it as hard as possible to make the painted people's chroma usable again but gommaged people can be brought back without much effort
>>732336483SAAR
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>>732336489Gustave and Sophie chroma were recycled by Renoir or Aline. While expeditionaries chroma remained in their bodies
>>732299395false dichotomy you could have a form of the "verso ending" but through the maelle route and her actually getting some character
>>732294454This, but versofags are NPCs and can't comprehend this>what do you mean live? they're not real!>I only care about "real" and the game tells me "real" is the dessendres so I only care about the dessendresLiteral NPCs
>>732330260don't they just stand motionless in front of the canvas?
>>732336489>As opposed to the expeditioners she brings backShe doesn't exactly bring them back.>gommaged people whose chroma seems to stay pureYes. But even then, it will be used for something else eventually and be unrecoverable. And Gustave wasn't even gommaged so his chroma likely wasn't usable past a couple hours. Even if it was, a lot of chroma was used since then which would have overwritten him if his chroma was part of that. I literally mentioned most of this in my last post.
>>732294192life is a complete fucking joke escapism good
>>732336792Clea clearly is capable of being active in real life while being inside painting
>People are seriously debating a game with a plot on the level of Twilight fanfictionI hope you all die of AIDS.
>>732297681>gives him his musicHAVE YOU SEEN HIS FACE? Do you think that's the face of someone doing something they want to do?Are you not only retarded but autistic too?
>>732323916Because was completely tapped in zombie mode and in her time its probably only been half a minute
Why couldn't they just move lumiere, or at least the humans, to another canvas?
>>732338328Because there are myriads of other options than just the binary "burn the canvas" or "let maelle die in her crack pod", but the devs wanted a simple dilemma for the game to generate discussion
>>732338328Because the canvas and thus Lumiere are a lotus eater machine powered by the last sliver of Verso's soul, and any option that isn't laying Verso to rest and accepting that he's dead is thus wrong.
>>732338840Everyone in the canvas is a real person, Maelle lived an entire childhood there indistinguishable from real life and never realized it for 16 years. They're living, breathing people who all deserve a chance at life
>>732294454They're not real people sweetie
>>732338840Verso made neither, that was all Aline. Soul Verso is only keeping them able to interact with his world.
>>732338963Maelle is also really fucking dumb
>>732339079The crux of the problem is that the canvas contains a fragment of Verso's soul. It's the last piece of Verso left.
>>732294454>>732294192>Because the people in the painting have a right to live.To me it always seemed Painters are no less than gods, capable of creating entire worlds and sentient life at will, even manipulate the law of physics and time itself in those worlds.Yet like the gods of old myths, the are petty, cruel and uncaring, they only care about the own family politics and not the "mortals" they create and rule over, which they can wipe out at any moment and move on.They could make the world into an ideal paradise, but they dont, since they are too busy with themselves.Pretty sure it was supposed to be a reference to AI, and the paintings are an allegory for virtual worlds, if we do create sentient advanced AI we will behave the same. Or for writing and the process of creation stories and worlds by us, but it still works.The beings in the painting arent "real" in the same way the painters are, but they exist, live and die, create, dream and love all the same, and Maelle learned that there is little difference between her and the created world, and to be honest, her life outside of painting really isnt fun. A crippled blinded mute, why go back?
>>732294192Because they are stupid kek
Honestly much like SOMA the real moral choice is to not do any of this in the first place so as far as I'm concerned burning all of it down is perfectly acceptable.
>>732294617this shit is so gay, literally made for women
