>When we announced these products in November, we planned on being able to share specific pricing and launch dates by now. But the memory and storage shortages you've likely heard about across the industry have rapidly increased since then. The limited availability and growing prices of these critical components mean we must revisit our exact shipping schedule and pricing (especially around Steam Machine and Steam Frame).>Our goal of shipping all three products in the first half of the year has not changed. But we have work to do to land on concrete pricing and launch dates that we can confidently announce, being mindful of how quickly the circumstances around both of those things can change. We will keep you updated as much as we can as we finalize those plans as soon as possible.https://store.steampowered.com/news/group/45479024/view/625565405086220583
It's over
>>732305989I just want the steam controller man
>>732305989GODDAMN JEETS AND THEIR SMELLY AI FARMS
>>732305989$999 starting
>>732305989Mother fuck I thought this was trolling with a fake linkIt's fucking over. Valve took too long and blew everything. They should sell built hardware and just kill machine and frame. Come back when the crisis is over with better specs.
>>732305989Grim
>What components of Steam Machine are upgradeable?>Steam Machine's SSD (NVMe 2230 or 2280) and memory (DDR5 SODIMMs) are both accessible and upgradeable.No-ram models coming
>>732305989>Can I play non steam games with the Steam Controller?>The controller can work with any game compatible with the Steam Overlay.Wait, so the thousands of games that don't work with the overlay cannot use it? What the fuck is this piece of shit relying on that it needs the overlay to be running to work?
Hey guys, how's it goin'?
>>732306602Don't most games use the overlay?
>>732305989KWABOTY
>>732306626Good bro
>>732306602Learn to read
>>732306764Yes, but not all. This also means the controller is useless for games outside of Steam, unlike the original Steam controller or the Xbox/PS4/PS5 controllers.
Consoles should cost $500.
>>732306829No u.The controller REQUIRES the Steam overlay to be active to work. It cannot be used outside of Steam or on Steam games where the overlay doesn't function.
>>732306602SteamInput obviously. Also what games don’t work with the overlay? I use the overlay on obscure old H games with broken controller support because SteamInput is so damn useful.
>Can Steam Frame be used while wearing glasses?A bunch of people on the team wear glasses and use Steam Frame without issue, but it really depends on the width of the glasses frames. And while we don't have details to share yet, we are looking into making prescription lens inserts available ahead of launch.based
>>732305989Thank god it's all going to be above 1k USD. This is good. The pain means we're winning.
>>732305989Fuck this gay earth.
>>732306602Blame Microshit for making everyone use Xinput that supports only what the 360 controller did and nothing moreSteam Input is great but I do wish Valve would make it so that you could use it without having to add games to Steam. I don't wanna have to add every emulator or non-Steam game to it especially since you can't make games private.Also if its anything like the first one, you'll still be able to use it without Steam, but just as a regular Xbox-style controller without any of its special features.
>>732305989where are all the retards who said valve had contracts locked in and the ram prices wouldn't matter
>>732307029AMD also said it was shipping on time like yesterday
>>732307029Making snow angels in the copium. This was obvious to everyone else.
>>732305989Bill Gates decided to flex his aids ridden cock all over gaben's face KWAB
>>732307114It’s coming out, sure. But it isn’t gonna be cheap.
They could've boughted RAM and storage back in september
>>732306890It doesn't say that
I thought this bubble was supposed to pop what's happening bros
>>732307349It does. It says it will work with games that support the Steam Overlay, therefore it requires the Steam Overlay to work.
Fucking sick of shit relying on computer parts.
>>732306626Sam Altman loses incest lawsuit from his sister and commits Lowtax when?
>In our testing the majority of Steam titles play great at 4K 60FPS with FSR on Steam Machine. That said, there are some titles that currently require more upscaling than others, it may be preferable to play at a L O W E R F R A M E R A T E with VRR to maintain a 1 0 8 0 p internal resolution.
>>7323073792 more weeks
>>732305989Why do you jeets love spreading lies about this thing? AMD just confirmed it's still releasing as scheduled.
>>73230755230/1080 nice
itt: post your "I built a PC in this decade but before 2025" face
>>732307238It's okay I can afford it, i'm not indian.
>>732307008Nice valve cock gagging faggot.>no it's not that Valve locked its controller behind the proprietary steam overlay>Microsoft is to blame!All while ignoring the fucking dualsense controllers and switch pro controllers work outside of steam flawlessly.
God the Steam Frame is so fucked. One last gigantic “fuck you” from Meta to VR.
>>732305989How can I personally contribute to the popping of the AI bubble?
>>732307379it didnt pop, its just that openai fucked up and other companies caught up to them and even surpassed them, im talking companies that came after them, because if we take google into consideration then they pretty much layed dormant the entire golden run of openai and came out raping openai out of:>military contracts>apple contracts>most of the third world smaller contracts they had going onand now the guys who were hoarding all the waffers and contracts for pretty much almost perpetual orders of memory not only cant pay for it buy now they cant bluff their way into making companies think they have anything going for them, openai popped on its own without popping the entire ai bubble, they are going to leave a massive power void that is already booked to be filled
>>732307745Play Luigi's Mansion
>>732307667All you stupid asses saying you can afford it don't get it. The Steam Machine is running 7 year old hardware. It's already outdated on release. It's not that it's expensive, it's that it's expensive for it's value proposition.>It's okay I can afford it, i'm not indian.You're as fucking stupid as one that's for sure.
>>732307745Make the transition
>>732307686Microsoft is to blame as Xinput hasn't been meaningfully updated in ages, which is the only reason SteamInput exists.
>>732307552The Steam Poll said that 90% of gamers are Jeets still on Windows xp playing at 1080p so thats what they built.
>>732305989>release a mediocre product now at $999 taking account of the shortageor>release an obsolete product in 2027/2028 for $599 like initiallyEither way they are fucked.They would need to go through another session of R&D to change the components to be 2027 friendly if they are willing to wait but it would mean more money spent, that may or may not impact the future customers.
>>732307528It's a non-answer that promises nothing except compatibility with games that support the overlay
>>732306626Thanks for filtering all the gamers worldwide.Bought my T14 Gen 5 6 months ago.
>>732307686>the fucking dualsense controllers and switch pro controllers work outside of steam flawlessly.They don'tI have to use DS4Windows to get my PS controllers to work in any meaningful capacity (especially in wireless mode) and the Switch Pro controller flar out doesn't work without Steam Input, it just reads out garbage.Even MS has to use their own proprietary API with very little documentation just to get newer features like trigger rumble or the screenshot button to work because they refuse to do anything to actually improve controller support on Windows.
I wish I could know for sure the outcome of this AI shit already so I could know for sure if pc gaming is gonna make it out of thisSmart money says there's no recovery from this but damn man I don't want to accept that this is how the master race ends
>>732305989Not surprised by any of this. Annoyed as shit but not surprised. Corps use 'early' when they don't want to name whether it's Q1 or Q2 yet and everyone knew the AI hardware drain was going to impact this.I forget which one but one of those RAM manufacturers has already sold their entire production in 2026 to datacentres that haven't been built yet.The only part that amuses me is AAA devs can't hide behind the "get better hardware" defence and might actually have to optimise their ever increasing bloat for the first time in years.
>>732307641ridiculous pedo panic about a man doing things they wish they could
I'm only immediately interested in the steam controller since I'm due for an upgrade
>>732308087hebraic hands typed this post
kek>our scams are delayed because we need to figure out new scam prices
>>732308012PC gaming wont make it, Nvidia jumped ship, AMD will do the same, Intel always sucked, so thats it. The Ai wont pop it will be the future ready to slave us all into the Beast system. Were reaching the end of the line bros.
>>732308087bro was clearly based. loved hentai and yelling nigger and faggot into the mic on xbox live in between chasing naked teens around his kitchen. The brightest stars burn out first.
Console prices will unironically be affected by RAM prices.
>>732306602It's not nearly thousands of games that don't work with steam overlay. Remember that you can add a non-steam game to the steam to get the overlay. The overlay being a comprehensive wrapper that includes input etc, the literal ability to shift-tab is not the point here.Also most of the few games that don't work right with the steam overlay are older games that can run just fine and use it just fine on linux/proton btw.>>732307686>controller has features that aren't supported by windows default controller input protocol>different input protocol must be used>the company that implemented that default controller input protocol is to blameYes.>b-b-b-b-but what about these other controllers that don't have more featuresObviously they can use the shitty, limited protocol.
>>732305989Fuckin AI has to ruin everything.
>>732305989Fucking AI
Explain to me the benefits of AI outside of porn.
>muh pricing 999$ Said it in the beginning and I’ll say it until they finally admit itIt will only run games up to the year 2020 at decent settings, for 999$It will be completely obsolete by 2028For 999 is dollarsThis is what steam queens get for mocking the ps3 which was actually worth it
>>732308594You can tell gullible people they won't need to pay wages and then they give you lots of money.
Well Valve is lucky because this cucked industry will delayed the next gen consoles too lmaoAnd devs are going to have to play nice with the RAM people have now
>>732308479>>732308569>>732308594Uh oh here come the luddites who have no clue about the real cause of component prices
>>732308594AI will be able to explain its benefits once it reaches AGI, just wait until then.
>>732307787.Saar!!! this is not the point!!!Yeah sure jeet, fuck off.
>>732308594Technology is inherently good and we do not need to see the results to understand this
>>732306602>Wait, so the thousands of games that don't work with the overlay cannot use it?name 5 of these
>>732308594It wipes out good paying middle class jobs and enables corporations to outsource their labor to India, Bangladesh, and Indonesia without dropping their stock price
>>732308702Enlighten me.
>>732308932That's not not the point retard. Imagine if Xbox was like like "uhh new controllers only work with Xbox gamebar open"They don't because that's fucking retarded. The steam input api has nothing to do with the overlay valve is just forcing shit onto the user.
>>732308594It's not even good at that
>>732309013>The AI revolution was supposed to eliminate menial jobs and give us free time to pursue things like the arts>Instead AI has eliminated the need for artists and gave us time to do menial jobsI heckin love technology!
>>732309240>>732306602You don't even know what the overlay is, stupid niggers.
>>732305989>How well can Steam Machine play newer, more demanding games on Steam?>In our testing the majority of Steam titles play great at 4K 60FPS with FSR on Steam Machine. That said, there are some titles that currently require more upscaling than others, and it may be preferable to play at a lower framerate with VRR to maintain a 1080p internal resolution.>4K 60FPS with FSR on Steam Machine>some titles that currently require more upscaling than others, and it may be preferable to play at a lower framerate with VRR to maintain a 1080p internal resolution.Gapecube is DOAI just want the damn controller
>>732305989>blunder like first steam machines >steam deck hasn't outsold Wii U or VitaPee Sea Vegan 56 year old balding coping cult thread.
>>732305989whatever just release the damned controller already
>8 billion threads about obsidian yesterday>1 thread about Valve that's negative barely staying aliveMan this board really suppresses negative news regarding valve. Really makes you think
>>732309240You do know that the OG steam controller which also is "only supported when using steam overlay" also spits out plain sdl input right?What they're saying is all the steam specific features require using the overlay.
>>732309426>What they're saying is all the steam specific features require using the overlay.Then why didn't they just say that retard?You people inferring and coping about Valve direct words is wild and really sad
>>732306602>add executable to Steam library as non-Steam game>configure controller settings>launch executable via Steam library>Steam Controller now worksYou can do this with anything. I have my browser in there for when I want to play browser games with a controller.
>>732309329I can't wait until we feed Sam Altman and his friends another half trillion US taxpayer dollars so he can maybe, possibly, one day, invent a 10000 dollar robot that can maybe do your laundry and occasionally wash dishes without breaking themThe future is looking bright!! Add another 100 billion to Tesla's stock valuation!!
>>732309425There were dozens of anti-Valve threads last week related to the UK lawsuit.
>>732309425PC fanboys like Valve cult are the biggest shitflingers on this board. Cry, baldie.
>>732305989fuck i wanted a steam frame alreadyfirst HALF of the year!? that's so fucked man
>>732309607Don't forget that the robot will use an absolutely ludicrous amount of compute and will only operate with a 500 dollar a month subscription. It will also collect and sell data on everything it can observe in your house.
>>732309557>slowly having a 3rd party launcher become your sole priority of using your computerRetards so deep in the valve system they don't even know it.I also use my controller with my browser steam is no where near that process. Just turn on my controller and open my browser. Valve tricked an entire generation that their bullshit it neededSad
>>732309537>Then why didn't they just say that retard?Because a disingenuous subhuman mongoloid such as yourself would whine that the steam overlay features like on screen menus of the keyboard don't work in applications not running the overlay
>>732309329I love how we’re already sacrificing everything to appease the AI overlords and we haven’t even built them yet.
>We'd have Half Life 3 RIGHT NOW if not for AI
>>732310140A massive amount of not-yet-manufactured memory was bought with money that doesn't really exist to be put into GPUs that haven't been made yet, to be installed in data centers that haven't been built, powered by infrastructure that may never exist, to satisfy demand that isn't actually there, in order to generate profits that are mathematically impossible.
>>732308594Imagine hiring an intern that just graduated college that does not know what they're doing. That's the capability of AI right now and it's already getting better as I type this. What happens in 5 years when they reach the level of a professional that can do everything by themselves? It's pretty much the next paradigm in technology and what people back in the 60s dreamed about.
>>732306595i thought the rumors were bullshit but there's no way they'd specify this out of the blue
>>732310560They said this 4 years ago when ChatGPT launched and it hasn't gotten any better at all
>>732309863it has been that way for years and will continue to until someone actually makes a viable competitor to steam input
>>732309863In this particular case, it is a STEAM controller. You also might want to try configuring the Desktop Layout.
>>732310831Funny my XBOX controller doesn't require the XBOX app to be installed let alone running for it to function.
>>732310812stop noticing you economic terrorist
>>732310909You'll never guess who made your operating system
>>732305989Everybody with a fraction of a brain already deduced this was the reason why, but it's a shame nevertheless. Gonna be even worse when this AI shit wipes out the global economy and possibly the ice caps if Elon makes good on those Greenland data centers.>>732307029>valve had contracts locked in and the ram prices wouldn't matterThey did, so did numerous other companies buying ram. Then the 3-4 manufacturers that make all of the memory modules in the world decided they didn't need to honor those contracts anymore, because they were going all in with AI instead, leaving everyone else scrambling to renegotiate.
>>732305989That doesn't sound like a delay, that just sounds like price adjustments, learn to read my friend.
>>732305989AI is such a shitty human invention, the people who worked on it basically invented digital cancer and made every human beings life on earth worse besides coomers and useless middle managers
>>732307029ram manufacturers violated contracts because they still made more taking the penalty than actually honoring the contracteveryone is getting fucked, consoles are gonna increase in price too
>>732310445Yes anon I saw that tweet too.
>>732306838$250*
>>732311189And it's true. Perfectly sums the situation up.
>>732311085If the target to ship was Q2 they would've said summer and woul'dve known in november, and they would'nt have said "early next year". They delayed to see what the prices will do.
>>732311151It's for money. Blame the root issue: Capitalism.Funny people thought infinite greed would work. What a silly thing to put faith in.
>>732307029They do, AMD wouldn't have said it was shipping on time if it didn't problem here is they don't want to sell it at a loss so it's now either guaranteed $700 with controller or $750 with controller now. You should be more worried about those massive price increases coming for Xbox Series X|S and PS5s. I can see Nintendo trying to keep hold of the $450 price until at least next year. I advise them to discontinue the LCD Switch 2 model for an OLED Switch 2 model and give that a $500 price tag. Steam Deck 2 may be $600 when it launches in 2028. Not a big problem. I'm expecting the PS6 to be $800+ and the next Xbox console to be close to $2000. The PS6 handheld and Xbox handheld will be close to $700 for the PS handheld and either close to or over $1000 for the Xbox handheld. The market is really going to condense hard back to the 80s-early 2000s.
>>732305989>First half in the yearBasically confirms it was delayed from q1 to maybe the middle of the year. Also all this shit is definitely going to be too expensive so VR is dead. Fuck Sam altman
>>732311356AMD already said otherwise, you should stop, you're paying the $700-$750 for this. They're not going to take the loss for us.
>>732309425Whats there to say?Everyone is getting buttfucked by AI tards
>>732311043>They did>source: it came to me in a dreamTell me when gaben told you this, was he wearing a silk nightgown too?
>>732306340But what will the new price be?
>>732306626Kill yourself dick licker
The 2016 nostalgia zoomers were unironically correct.
>>732311518Valve reneged on their timeline, that's a fact. Unless AMD wants to time travel and tell valve not to say what they did, it's a delay.>you're paying the $700-$750 for this.It will not be that cheap anymore lmao
>>732307641Imagine the smell
>>732305989>Delaying the controller (and possibly HLX) only because they want to launch everything at onceI AM BE ANGEROUS NOW
>>732311791Keep coping, Valve said early 2026, they never set a date, just early 2026. They said it's still coming in the first half of this year and AMD also said it's still releasing on schedule. You can shut up and stop. You're not getting a console price for a PC.>$700-$750>cheapAre you retarded? I hope you don't expect the next Xbox's price to be cheaper or even near the Steam Machine's anon.
>>732307784Didn't openai basically steal googlr tech and basically release Gemini half finished? Goog wasn't dormant, they were cookin while shifty Sam worked his scam
>>732306602SISR can fix this.
>>732305989imagine being forced to increase the price of your already outdated hardware because rajesh really wants his indian ceo at microsoft to force shit down everyones throat
>first half of 2026Just give me the controller you fat fuck. I don’t care about the box and the headset I just want the controller so fucking badly
>>732312019No can do
>>732312019save money for actual pc hardware not gayben scam
>>732312019bro you are going to use that controller for a week and then it will be collecting dust on a shelf like the last shit controller they put out
>>732311992Nigger telling me the entire first half of a year is early in the year and I'm the one coping lmaoYeah $750 is cheap now, I don't make the rules, jensen and altman do.>next xboxThat will not exist so long as prices remain where they are.Also I'm not getting any of this. Only valve drones will buy this now and they will sell 500k or whatever the first production run is. It will be a boutique limited production good.
>>732312480i use all the features of my eck and the new sc is just an eck without the screen. it’s the easiest purchase of my life
>>732312568>That will not exist so long as prices remain where they are.You want to bet, Microsoft doesn't give a shit since they're moving back to PC, they want you to pay $2000 for this whether you like it or not. Your PS6 will be $900-$1000.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Epic-Games-Store-VP-discusses-app-for-new-Xbox-console-teasing-full-screen-Steam-alternative.1220346.0.htmlReminder, all of the negative Valve threads are made by paid Xbot shills which include Epicjeets.
>>732311997The thing with LLMs is there isn't really "tech" just databases of shit they stole from.
Threadly reminder that if you're a right winger, you effectively voted to kill your own hobby
>>732308632$999 in 2028 will have same buying power as $400 today, just watch..
>>732312816you can hate valve for doing shitty things like lootboxes though.
>>732312901anything to own the trannies
Reminder, Early 2026 is January-June aka the first half of 2026. I knew /v/'s IQ dropped years ago, but the influx of zoomers really killed this places IQ by a large margin.>>732312901Oh look, the glowies here again
>>732312901Funny to think that one more inch to the side and we'd have the Steam Machine now at sub-$600.
>>732312901And it's not even a matter of conspiracy - Americans voted in a narcissist that can be swayed by prospects of "leaving their mark" while profiting at the same time.Cue the smarmy tech nouveau-riche making the most of an opportunity.
>>732313057May is not early 2026
>>732308594Okay, so manga translation aggregators keep getting mass flagged and taken down by koreans and Square Enix, I genuinely believe one could make an argument for being able to host translation software (or AI used for translating anything, really) locally so as to be able to read peoples works in case of a worst case scenario where fan translated works just stop being able to exist publicly online.
>>732313105It is if Valve and AMD says it is, bitch boy
>>732313145No
>>732313172Yes
>>732308594I use Gemini to spoon-feed me info from game wiki way faster than it would take to go there myself
>>732312752They don't have to release anything, being a PC doesn't provided any incentive. Why release hardware that's not price competitive with a PS5? There won't be a PS6 until this over either.
>>732313079How deranged do you have to be to think drooling Biden or drunk Kamala wouldn’t do the exact same thing if not 100x worse?
>>732313057>July is late 2026 *smacks lips*
>>732313296>Why release hardware that's not price competitive with a PS5?because you can use the pc for anything else other than gaming, retarded consolecuck. do you know why ps5 is subsidized?
>>732313296Because it's not really a console but a consolized PC like the Steam Machine. The next Xbox is being made to compete with the Steam Machine, they're no longer competing with Sony and their PlayStation. The PS6 is coming in either 2027 or 2028. If Sony feels you can pay the price for it, you're going to pay the price for it.
>>732307945Second option is clearly the best, consolefags don't give a fuck about hardware, but the AI bubble will only explode in 2029 or 2030>>732308270I hate how much right you are
>>732313331Why no anon, don't be ridiculous, the government "run by democrats" most certainly would never feed google to fill the internet with cancer, as we know all major tech companies are notoriously "right wing" for whatever sort of meaning you could torment out of a factional distinction that doesn't really even exist.
>>732308270Gaming, in general is condensing. For consoles, they only want Switch and PlayStation, Switch will be affordable, PlayStation will be premium. For PCs, they want them consolized and only want Steam and Xbox hardware, Steam will be affordable, Xbox will be premium. Steam Machine, PS6, and next gen Xbox console will be the premium living room devices, Switch 2, Steam Deck 2, PS6 handheld, and Xbox handheld will be the affordable handheld devices. Steam and Xbox OEMs are up in the air, some will cost less than the Xboxes, most will cost more than them. Building a PC for gaming will become impossible with only semi-custom gaming hardware from Nintendo, Sony, Valve, and Microsoft surviving. Welcome back to the 80s-early 2000s of gaming with a forced condensing of the market.
>>732313457How does this make microsoft money? That would just be buying expensive thing and selling expensive thing in a competitive efficient market. PCs will be a luxury and people wtill stick to existing hardware like PS5 and switch to play games, home use of PCs has been largely replaced by phones except by a small margin who use them for productivity. You still don't understand. When PC parts were relatively cheap, that was the time to pivot xbox to PC, not when the PC is existentially threatened you fucking idiot. You don't know why the PS5 is subsidized, if you did you wouldn't have brought it up. Microsoft can't even subsidize a PC xbox exactly because enterprise will buy the supply and they won't buy games, thus microsoft sees no cut from the software attachment.
So everything is fucked then right?Next gen gonna get delayed for a year minimum. So 2028 or 2029.Who the fuck knows what AMD or Nvidia are planning to shit out.
>>732313516The steam machine is a obvious failure and was going to sell a few million before this went wrong, microsoft doesn't think about it. They are competiting with playstation for gaming hardware because a consumer can choose a PS5 over their hardware. You can't wave a wand and say you aren't competing with something.
>>732313974Not him, they will sell their consoles and handhelds at a profit with a DTC model like Valve, they'll also use the profit they make from their own store along with third party stores where they also sell their games for profits. Game Pass and Cloud Gaming will also go into this. OEMs will also give them profits for the Xbox.>people wtill stick to existing hardware like PS5 and switch to play gamesNintendo will bump the Switch 2 price up by $50 once they introduce the OLED model as a full replacement for the LCD model they'll discontinue. Sony's going to increase the price of the PS5 in either March or April since their current stock will run out by then.
>>732313987I mean everything is "fucked" but like, everything worth playing still plays great on decade+ old hardware, and there's hundreds of actually good games to play, not to mention independent games coming out.Really this only sucks if specifically you wanted a gabe cube for the yutz of it.You can still pick up an old office PC made in the past 5-8ish years for cheap and get an aftermarket gpu in there and have a great time.
>>732313987>Next gen gonna get delayedWhich next gen, lol?>>732314204>They are competiting with playstationThey are no longer competing with PlayStation, you're stuck in the past, anon. Next Xbox is using a new OS built exactly like the SteamOS with the Xbox part being in a virtual machine while having full Windows desktop on there. The Xbox dev environment is getting phased out for Win32, Microsoft as reworked their certification process for making games to be just like Steam. The next Xbox is a consolized PC made to go against Valve's consolized PC, the Steam Machine. It will not be sold in retailers, it will not be sold in third world countries, it will only be sold online on the Microsoft Store. The Xbox Series X|S was the PlayStation competition and it was so bad Microsoft dropped out of consoles and went back to PC gaming. Anon, Microsoft is never fighting Sony in the console race again and even the big boss said they made a console to make a better PC.
>>732314281Is this... optimism? I agree. If anything, maybe we'll see an arms race on the game development side to get things working on "less capable" hardware. It'd be cool to see things that hearken back to the "chasing the beam" days.
>>732314219Why sell hardware though? Why not continue to sell on their store, third party stores, game pass, etc and let everyone else build PCs and deal with the blood bath while you sell and publish software.
>>732314281>>732313987yeah and even then this is a silverlining for the gabecube lmaoall these dogshit developers cant use hardware specs as a crutch anymore for unoptimized gamestheyre all gonna be forced to actuall focus on scaleability again
>>732314204>You can't wave a wand and say you aren't competing with something.I mean by that same metric you can really arbitrarily declare things to be in "competition" with each other just so you can declare a win.Mostly because that's just silly, but also because everything that isn't PC gaming these days is currently getting it's asshole ripped out since buying a modern console means you're basically entirely at the whims of the modern state of gaming.
>>732314462I mean, for me, yeah it's 800/720p but it was really eye opening just how fucking much run acceptably on a Steam Deck, and someone I know games exclusively on a 5700G and has a great time.Like, no GPU but still everything runs well enough, and it's good games too.I re-ran through Jak and Daxter recently with that decomp that came out a while ago and it was a lot of fun.
>>732314461>mom said they aren't competing with playstationWell she has the pussyEven valve competes with playstation, PC gaming has always competed with consoles
>>732314481>buy this thing or that thing to play video gamesYeah that's arbitrary. Fucking idiot
>>732313331Well, I guess we'll never know, will we?Meanwhile we DO know Trump IS doing those things, plus tariffs.
>>732314667I mean if you want to be reductive, sure, do keep in mind that objectively speaking any modern console is worse by the metric you've presented.
>>732314475Because ((they)) don't want you to build hardware. ((They)) don't want to kill PC gaming, so now ((they're)) making the PC hardware for you.>>732314610Not really, if you've been paying attention, Sony has been shifting their attention back to Nintendo while giving up on competing with Microsoft since they're leaving console gaming entirely for PC gaming. Valve competes with Microsoft. Sony can't really compete with PC because the narrative follows apart when you have a consolized PC that can be both a console and a desktop PC while the PlayStation is just a console and console alone. Consoles and PCs aren't even in the same price range.
>>732314785We're talking about general consumer behavior, that's not a reductive take. I'm just throwing out a story you're attracted to that only matters for a small part of the market. There's a difference between "Some people want a PC and not a console because they are different" and claiming therefore "PC's don't compete with consoles because they are different". The first one is obviously true and the latter is dumbshit and projecting your tastes and sentiments on the market in general. You're too close to the story.
>>732314940I don't think you know what compete means. If it's not direct competition with an apples to apples head to head on a particular product schema, it's invisible to you. Then you'll be act surprised when people do things like keep buying ps5s and ignore the steam machine like that's completely unrelated and the negative correlation of ps5 sales and steam machine sales is like pirates and global warming.
>>732314775Uhm sweatie it's okay if glorious leader does [thing] okay.
guess my steam deck will continue being my primary computer. if ai were useful, at all, maybe I’d be okay with this. summarizing google searches is not some boon to humanity
>>732315382The Steam Machine and next gen Xbox console aren't built to be mainstream, they're built to be niche. The console market and PC market are two very different beasts.
>>732315749Google searches that are only being summarized because google entirely fucked the web indexing market by getting everyone to refuse indexing by anyone but them forcing everyone to downstream from them while they intentionally provide terrible search results from affiliates that frequently aren't what people are looking for, and instead just steal the content of pages people are trying to find while rephrasing it as if that gets around one of the few legitimate cases of intellectual property law (freebooting shit from other people's websites being a crime).
>>732306838*$100
>>732305989damn, i had $800 stashed away for steam frame pre order too, guess ill have to wait a little longer
>>732307008>Steam Input is greatnah I much prefer xinput, it just werkssteam input keeps fucking up shitthere were games that worked perfectly fine for years, yet after being updated to use steam input so they could support other controlers, started giving me issues like fucked unchangeable extreme sensitivity
>>732315794lol i completely agree
>>732306602>Even the most random cheapest Chinkshit controllers have a Xinput/Dinput switch>The largest PC gaming company in the world doesn'tBut why?
>>732312901>The democrats were totally going to stop a gay Jewish billionaire this time, pwomise.
>>732316603>Unchangable extreme sensitivity>One of the basic features in steam input is being able to manually set sensitivityDude why are you just making shit up?Like, my Steam controller from 2014 finally started having a fucky thumbstick and the fact that I can manually set deadzones opened it up to me using it for a lot longer before I finally have to get around to replacing the thumbstick entirely.
I assumed it was due to lack of interest.People baby the fuck out of the deck claiming it’s both competition but also not competition.
>>732317006>One of the basic features in steam input is being able to manually set sensitivity>Y-YOU'RE MAKING IT UP!nigger I'm telling you it causes the game to spazz out, and it's the sensitivity with the MOUSE that gets fucked, mind youthe options menu doesn't work, the steam input menu doesn't do dick
>>732316931high prices = tariffs + no ai regulation = orange man same thing with price increase on xbox. most expensive nintendo console. steam machine delay. etc
>>732306830are you saying i can't just launch thru big picture mode with a non steam app and define controller bindings like with the original?
>>732314775>still pushing this culture war shit after the bombshell revealed the Epsteins created it to get people off the class warYou're going to be getting lynched hard for taking it up the ass so hard for the Epsteins, glowie
>>732317146>Steam input is messing with my mouseSteam input doesn't fuck with your mouse, like, at all.It can send mouse input in response to controller input but that's done as its own device
>>732305989I was seriously thinking about hopping on the VR train and maybe getting into vr game dev but now I know it's going to be overpriced and the whole market segment will be even more dead, forget it. Meta will continue running that space into the ground and valve will never release another headset.
>>732317203I don't think people talk about that no regulation stuff enough. Trump fucking signed an executive order to stop states' (which were all blue states by the way) AI regulation. Where the fuck were all the muh states rights fags then?
>>732317389Not sure if you're interested in feedback from an actual consumer, but if Valve unfucks desktop theater on my Index, I'm pretty interested in games having 3D options again, if you don't want to do a full on VR game.
>>732305989>Our goal of shipping all three products in the first half of the year has not changedI hope they at least release the controller firstSurely it wont be affected by AI or rising prices of RAM and whatnot
>>732317263>Steam input doesn't fuck with your mouse, like, at all.but it fucks with the game's input recognitionobviously my mouse sensitivity isn't affected outside of the gameI know 100% it's steam input that causes the issue, stop repeating that "no, it can't be that, it shouldn't affect it!">play game for years with all sorts of controllers with zero issues, even a dualshock through ds4 works flawlessly>one day game gets updated, and before it launches I'm greeted by the steam input popup and my controller is now "recognized" by steam>moving the mouse causes the camera to fly, adjusting sensitivity in the options has zero effect, whether increasing it or decreasing it>problem persists even after unplugging controller (steaminput still running)>problem does not happen when starting the game without the controller plugged because steam input doesn't start up (and I don't get the popup)why is it so hard to accept a bug in a piece of software? why continue to staunchly defend it as me just making shit up as if it couldn't possibly happen?
>>732305989sisteamers... I don't feel so good
>>732307686This. Just make steam input open source and I'll be happy
>>732317743>why is it so hard to accept a bug in a piece of software?Because you started this off saying "Steaminput messes with sensitivity and you can't fix it" to some anomalous problem where SteamInput is doing things it literally can't do while asserting this is a very real problem with a game you won't even name because someone could check out what the issue is with it.
>>732305989KWAB
>>732314281I wanted the Steam Frame.
>>732318920I understand your frustration, I wanted one too.
>>732313105valve time
>>732317389The real loss is the forgone possibility of an affordable wearable headset. Not just for consumers but game devs SUCKS for VR because you're constantly taking the bulky headset on and off. Frame was wearable lifted on the brow. BSB is comfortable enough but has no passthrough to see your desk and it's too unaffordable to matter.
>>732307552Nah, they are full of shit, there's plenty of games that even with upscaling die at 8GB of Ram, and even in 1080 with 8GB deliver lackluster performance, FF16 is one of them, you really need to go back a gen and even then, something like God of War at 4k/60fps with upscaling would rape the shit out of the Steam Machine, you're not getting it, and that was a PS4 title, Steam Machine's base design was always shit, now that it's coming out even later it's just going to be more obvious how bad it is.
This is the price you pay for AI slop. No refunds.
>60 fps with FSR
>>732321178I mean I know what thread we're in, and what kind of people are posting here, but like, surely people aren't so dumb that they're talking about some of the abysmal dogshit that runs so fucking terribly that having upscalers bullshit the details is faster than running the actual render pipeline right?
>>732317231Nah, I say fuck em all.This country meeds an enema.
>>732321178You should be happy you even got that.
>>732308594A better alternative to Google search.
>>732320691The problem is meta's market share will continue to dominate VR and nobody who wants to make real games will have an outlet for it. I don't even know if developers think it's worth it to include VR modes for their flat games when the PCVR market has no forward momentum.
Sure, let's delay this already outdated hardware by six months.
The Emperor was rightAI stands for ABOMINABLE INTELLIGENCE
Hah, fuck valve.True pc master race wins again, pseudo-console peasants can ack.
>>732305989>how much will it cost >we are not saying until the day of release what a fucking pussy
>>732323528Technically they didn't say that, just that they don't have it worked out when and how much they can have it out for.
>>732307610Retard.
My favorite part is steam shifting the blame on Ai and yet they JUST walked back ai slop being marked on their marketplace. Make up your minds
>>732307641I still overpaid and only got a 4070ti, but I'm content
>>732324859>I only have a 4070ti
>>732322125can you catbox the original image?
>>732324552How do they not have it worked out yet? The real truth is they are afraid to say how much It costs. If they say its going to be 900/1000 at its current specs its dead in the water. That's why they are waiting until the very last minute.
>>732325090>How do they not have it worked out yet?For reasons you and I both know you're not stupid enough to not know.Namely for one not fucking over everyone who doesn't buy any of the stock that were sourced before the AI ghouls completely fucked the PC parts market.
>>732325016>192 bit bus>12gb VRAMNot that fag, and I got that card too. It was the best bang for my buck at the time, but it still was like getting fucked in the ass with a $700+ price tag.
it is EXTREMELY concerning that this is impacting them. that means they didn't have RAM and storage locked up and ready for production. Price is $1000 minimum for the machine, yikes.
>>732325316Nah bro I work in logistics and everyone is having headaches. Contracts mean shit unless you're a Nintendo that's got locked up deals for an extra year or two in advance.There's a reason Sony just said to not expect nextgen in 2027.
>>732325560Sony literally put out in that same presser a statement saying "We don't expect PS5 prices to rise further than they already have because of stocks and reserves of storage and memory modules", brother. Nobody doing mass production buys to order, that's fucking STUPID.
>>732305989Shit, I don't care for the cube but I wanted the VR headset. Total AInigger death.
so meta will continue owning VR because there's no way the VR set is less than $500. Awesome.
It wouldnt be a valve hardware launch if they didnt launch it during extraordinary circumstances lmao
>>732305989The price was already rumored to be higher than it should, and now with the ram shortage it's certain to be too high to be viable, Steam Machine is DOA.Steam Frame will probably be "fine" as far as vr headsets go, these things never really sell a lot to begin with.Steamdeck probably won't be affected for a while but a raise in price will probably happen later this year, and I doubt they'll even bother to plan a new one until this whole AI shit ends.
>>732316775Because xinput is cancer built around a controller design from 2005
Okay I know you are mad, but consider this: indians can flood the internet with short AI videos and make pennies.
This is the real red flag btw.>In our testing the majority of Steam titles play great at 4K 60FPS with FSR on Steam Machine. That said, there are some titles that currently require more upscaling than others, and it may be preferable to play at a lower framerate with VRR to maintain a 1080p internal resolution.>4K 60FPS with FSR on Steam MachineThis means FSR 3, which is fucking shit. (Yes, even AMDedditors admit this, now that FSR4 is out.)>In the meantime, we are working on HDMI VRR, investigating improved upscaling, and optimizing ray tracing performance in the driver, so we are approaching this from multiple angles.>investigating improved upscalingYou better hope Gebbie memes AMD to give him FSR4 INT8 on the Steam Machine.
will /v/ finally turn on gaben when steam machines flop (again)?
>>732307641>bought a 9800X3D and DDR5 at launch>bought a 4090 during the "5070 has 4090 tier performance!"-scare
So why exactly do the antishills keep looping on the point that Valve is going to "fail" to sell the Steam Machine like it's a major portion of their income?
>>732325560>There's a reason Sony just said to not expect nextgen in 2027All Sony said is that to expect the PS5 to last longer than usual. It doesn't confirm or deny that the PS6 will be delayed, it just let's everyone know that the PS5 era will last longer.
I just want the ding dang controller, I might get the VR if it's under $500 which it probably won't be, but the only thing I actually want is the controller.
>>732327390That was not a request for you to continue to not know how controller drivers work you dumb jeet.
>>732327230Because they're being paid by Microsoft. Microsoft is also releasing a console/PC late next year and want to clear out their competition. Basically, the same reason we keep getting negative Nintendo threads but positive Sony threads. This is why I hate both companies, neither Sony or Microsoft just properly compete, when they're losing, they pay shills to shill for them and shit up any Nintendo or Valve thread that exist, or they make the baiting threads themselves. I hope the AI bubble kills those bastards, seriously.
>>732327459Then microsoft should gave thought about that before destroying all remaining brand confidence by porting everything over to playstation.
>>732327459>But nintendo is the good guys right?Nintendo paid for ads when the switch 2 launched antishilling the Steam Deck when you literally couldn't buy one, don't give me that shit you retard.
>>732327467Bro, it was heading that direction anyway when Microsoft took a break from PC gaming to bring that shit to consoles back in November 2001. It was only a matter of time when the tech was finally there.
>>732327519They don't care about Xbox, they only care about Windows. Killing the Xbox as a console and turning it into the Windows was the only way they were going to let that black hole continue existing.>>732327520Do you have any proof to back this up?
>>732327615Windows is compatibility nightmare now and an all around piece of shit.
>>732326530Because it's better than any chinkoid e-waste.
>>732327467>Physical game ownershipPhysical game ownership is for retards. The only thing that matters is that you have all the game files, don't have forced DRM and don't need to rely on external infrastructure. Why on earth would you fixate on cheapo optical data carriers as somehow being a hallmark of quality if you're not a scalper or a retailer? If you're worried about selling the game to reimburse your costs, then just pirate it.>cheered at the consolification of PCThis was actively protested against.>death of game genres only possible on PCThere was no way to shift the fact that most normalfags consoomed slop on consoles.
>>732305989FUCKING LET ME BUY THE CONTROLLER ALREADY GABEN YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER
>>732327615>Do you have any proof to back this up?If you're asking>Do you have posts on hand, right now, at this very moment.No and that's a completely unreasonable standard to have for a casual online conversation.That being said, I do remember the same shitty threads whining about the steam deck being full of shills telling people to buy a switch/2.
>>732306965maybe devs will finally be forced to optimize their shit
>>732327459are you actually this mentally ill or just pretending?
>>732305989NOOOOOOO FUCKING AI
>>732327686I know, knowing Microsoft, this is going to be a piece of shit even if they locked the Xbox part in a virtual machine to escape the Windows part. Due to Xbox being Windows, no longer separate from Windows. It's going to have Windows problems no matter what.>>732327814>I do remember the same shitty threads whining about the steam deck being full of shills telling people to buy a switch/2.I remember those too, but I think it was just schizos or a schizo, that same schizo is trying to shit up a Steam Deck thread right now.>>732327840Epic Games today just announced that they're in talks with Microsoft to add their storefront to the next gen Xbox console. Constant anti-Valve threads today one about Steam hardware, the other about the UK trying to sue Valve, something's very fishy here and it smells like paid anti-shilling.
Can I swap steam gpus and customize too? Is the future of gaming swapping console parts in the god cube?
>>732328035>I remember those too,but I think it was just schizos or a schizoMan isn't it convenient that despite admitting to it it just doesn't count for you.
>>732305989If they try to shove AI data mining shit into these I am not buying any of it
I LOVE BILLIONAIRESI LOVE BILLIONAIRE VANITY PROJECTSI LOVE BILLIONAIRES
>>732327815LOOOOOOOOOOOL LOOOOOOOL LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
I can't wait for the 'AI' bubble to burst. These giga faggot companies like NVIDIA need to pay the piper and suffer for their hubris.
>>732308594you can fake voices or even video streams so you can do phone scams better
>>732327793You lost, Eric
>>732308702It's AI, kek. You shills are just trying to deflect by saying there's some secret causation for this other than OpenAI explicitly buying out half of the global RAM supply.
Imagine how cheap all the ram that these companies bought in a frenzy just to sit on will be when they shutter in a year or two. Holdout chads will be eating well.
>>732328343Hope you can wait at least 3 years.
>>732328647That's not a problem at all. I've actually gotten more into reading and writing lately. There's enough fun slop on places like RoyalRoad to last for a years and then some.
>>732308702The fact that you're so concerned about the rapidly disintegrating reputation of AI you have to run damage control in this sewer makes me happy.
>>732327793Go fuck yourself, Eric macaco.
>>732328715Good decision. Plenty of good manhua and manga out there as well.
>>732305989>pcbros BTFObased
What's the point of keeping the controller hostage? Just release it before the other products.
>>732328105Nintendo couldn't give a rat's ass about Valve or Steam, same with Valve and Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't use Sony's and Microsoft's shitty tactics. That's just some mentally ill tranny picking fights like a retard.
>>732305989Is this AI bullshit going to derail the Chinese emulator handheld market too? They are starting to get pretty good
>>732329459of course
>Fatso latest scam is delayedSad! Steamcucks on suicide watch.
>>732315878>google entirely fucked the web indexing market by getting everyone to refuse indexing by anyone but themGoogle never ddosed my server to the tune of TWO MILLION REQUESTS IN A DAYI hope all the AI nigger companies burn for what they've done to the internet and the world as a wholeFor all the "don't tread on me" bullshit Americans like to spout, it turns out they're no better than the Russians when the elites start squeezing them. Absolutely patchetic!
>2K LCD>No color passthrough>In the year of Our Lord 2026
>>732327815At this point, they have to, next gen is handhelds, Switch 2, Steam Deck 2, PS6 handheld, and Xbox handheld. They try to skim over these and Nintendo, Valve, Sony, and Microsoft will be on them hard, may even make it mandatory to make the handheld version first/ Sony is rumored to be bullying devs now to make games with the PS5 Power saver mode in mind. Microsoft still hasn't removed the mandatory Series S versions of games because they want devs to get use to lower specs hardware. Valve is telling devs to start by optimizing their games on the current Steam Deck before coming to the Steam Machine.
>>732307641
>>732305989FUCK AIFUCK MARKERS
Yeah, this shit is dead. Not even HLX will be able to salvage it
>>732333983It's not>semi-custom silicon>Valve's economy of scale>Direct-to-Consumer modelI don't know people still don't seem to know how this works, it won't be more than prebuilts or DIY PCs with identical specs, it'll be less. I'll also be in the hundreds not the thousands.
>>732334067Um anon didn't you read the paid shill? Valve will sell zero of them and also go public and nintendo will buy the company because this is how any of this works, at all.
>>732312901libs ruined videogames the two decades before, are you retarded?
