People often refer to 16-bit Sonic (small, rotund, mute) and 3D Sonic (tall, lean, in-you-face fella) as two separate entities. What exactly what the significance of "Sonic Adventure?" Was it like Sonic's version of Ocarina of Time? >my personal favorite Sonic of all time is CD, if that matters (it probably doesn't)
>>732319446It's a retcon, they're supposed to have the exact same characterization.Sonic Adventure was an art style change, in universe he never changed.
>>732320163I guess that makes sense. Quite a bit, really. More sense than Knuckles seeing Eggman fucking NAPALM Angel Island, and then still trusting him until it's almost too late.
>>732319446CD was utter shit.>>732320535>child thinks he saw that part.
>>732320757>CD was shitWe listen and we don't judge, but make no mistake that I am judging you 6 ways to Sunday for that statement.
>>732319446in America the Sonic games take place in some kind of alternate reality that is not irl Earth similar to Mario in the "mushroom kingdom" which is not anywhere in irl actual Earth. In Sonics cartoons as well hes in some kind of trippy looney tunes world not actual irl Earth. But Sonic Adventure changed that by solidifying that he actually exists in normal irl Earth and it had less fantasy locations than the previous 2d games and nothing at all like what you see in Sonic CD. So it is in fact a retcon of everything they were pushing with American Sonic and it changes the storyline so Sonic could visit Chicago or New York and all the zones of the previous games are just somewhere on Earth I guess. And Eggman isnt the only person, theres all of the normal human population and there are normal animals and anthro animal people and for some reason sonic and his friends exist as above the normal animals and humans dont question his existence. Thats what I got out of it all. In the 2D games I always thought Eggman being the only human was like how Princess Peach is one of the only humans in her kingdom, just nonsense cartoon logic. But the japanese devs really want sonic to have a human GF for some fucking reason.
>>732320535>More sense than Knuckles seeing Eggman fucking NAPALM Angel Island, and then still trusting him until it's almost too late.Did you play Sonic Adventure? Like, I know I'm in a Sonic the Hedgehog thread after 2007, but in context it makes sense why he would think Eggman wasn't bullshitting him.
>>732320920people that hate Sonic CD are retarded hes going to say that if you want to complete the game and get the proper ending the level design is a clusterfuck. But this is ignoring that 9/10 people do a straight playthru ignoring the time travel mechanic and have a blast doing so. Hes just a pseud, ignore.
>>732320936Interesting. I was very familiar with Mario's story growing up (even read one of those "make your own adventure" books from the 80s), so it was always odd how Mario and Luigi never found their way back to real-life New York. Then again, the Koopalings were ORIGINALLY supposed to be Bowser's kids, with the mother being an unseen "Klawdia.">>732320980I...actually haven't. :(>>732320991Yeah, I guess. He probably wouldn't be able to appreciate the JP/PAL OST either. What a goober.
>>732320936>But Sonic Adventure changed that by solidifying that he actually exists in normal irl Earth and it had less fantasy locations than the previous 2d games and nothing at all like what you see in Sonic CD.This also isn't true.Sonic Adventure directly refers to Sonic CD and the existence of Little Planet via Amy.
>>732320991Wacky workbench is a dogshit level even if you ignore the time travel shit.
>>732321531Yea you dont understand the point being made at all. In the sonic adventure games they are retconning CD to say it took place on Earth. In the Sonic Adventure games there are no fantastical vibrant scifi or fantasy locations like you would have seen in CD its all real world locations like aztec temples and beaches, and its a normal irl beach near a hotel not a fantasy one like Palm Tree Panic or Green Hill zone. >>732321618Nope if you platform carefully and stay on the fast path you wont be bounced around and misdirected you just have yet to learn that.
>>732321618NTA, but the music (past) makes up for it.>bzzt
>>732321642>In the sonic adventure games they are retconning CD to say it took place on Earth.That didn't happen>In the Sonic Adventure games there are no fantastical vibrant scifi or fantasy locations like you would have seen in CD its all real world locations like aztec temples and beachesAlso not true, Station Square and the Mystic Ruins, are part of a different continental land mass that is neither South Island nor West Island, with parts of Angel Island currently embedded into the side of the Mystic Ruins.Again I have to ask, did YOU even actually play Sonic Adventure or just read a plot synopsis and someone telling you it retconned everything?
Wait, if Sonic Adventure takes place on Earth while the 16-bit Sonics didn't, then where did Sonic MANIA take place?
>>732322223I mean are you asking the basket case that thinks Sonic 1-3/K don't take place on Earth, but Sonic Adventure does, or are you actually asking?The Sonic Mania thing is also a little confusing and hard to answer because of how hard and fast they tried to jettison the Phantom Ruby from the canon.
>>732322326Just throwing it out there. I'm actually keeping this thread/tab open while I study Japanese.
>>732321817Yes that did happen, that is the logical extension of the events being depicted. You dont like it so youre in denial for some reason and selectively responding to what you deem relevant. There is nothing visuallly comparable to Palm Tree Panic or Green Hill Zone in Sonic Adventure. Im not talking about continents, which you selectively are moving the goalpost too, I am specifically saying most of Sonic CD clearly does not take place on real Earth. 99% of Sonic Adventure is realistic visuals, the beach level is nothing like the beaches in previous Sonic games. Im so sorry this upsets you so much and you think its solved by saying theyre different continents, that is not what im saying at all you are intentionally trying to ignore what im saying.
>>732322326>basket caseno you are the one plainly ignoring the storyline of American Sonic which becomes retconnedd in Sonic Adventure you just selectively ignore what you dont like and try to control the conversation. The cities depicted in Sonic Mania do not match anything depicted in Sonic Adventure, speed highway visually looks nothing like the cities and levels in Mania or the cities in Sonic 2 or 3 or CD you are so obtuse its really disgusting to try and talk to someone as dishonest as you are.
>>732319446They were never seen as separate entities until Generations made them so
>>732323231Nigger Ice Cap zone is in Sonic Adventure, I don't care what brand of retardation you're working on at this point, go fuck yourself.
>>732322895Alright so with Mania, it's really fucking weird because depending on what interpretation of the lore you're working off of, it either:>Actually takes place across all the locations depicted>Only takes place on Angel Island and all other locations are only illusions>Doesn't actually take place at all because Classic Sonic himself is an Illusion pulled forth in Sonic Forces. But for some reason can go back to the illusion of the Mania for Encore mode, and Mania itself isn't canon at all, and the phantom ruby doesn't actually exist outside of vaguely being implied to being made by Eggman/Robotnik.
>>732324296>it's all possibly an illusion, but not really, though almost entirelyI think it's high time I go play some more Sonic games...
>>732324690I mean really it's only a problem because Sonic Team had this whole Virtual Reality idea they wanted to use that they didn't end up using until Frontiers, so Forces' plot accidentally de-canonizes most of maniaWhich is sort of funny since up until Lost World, this really wasn't a problem for the series aside from some potentially weird stuff like how "Sonic 4" is actually just a mobile spinoff that was ported to Wiiware and then to the PS3/360, and was never really supposed to be hard and fast material and was squeezed out of "canon".Really the only confusing thing is how Blaze technically has two introductions to the series since Sonic '06 retcons itself.
>>732320991The time travel is easy when you get the hang of it
Sonic has never had a consistent setting. Kike, even the Adventure games and Heroes feel like they are set in completely different worlds, even though they carry over some plot points in regards to Shadow. But then you got 06, Unleashed, Colors, Forces, Frontiers and you aren't gonna get anything consistent out of that aside from the characters.Even Mario has more coherent world building.
>>732325721It's probably a typo, but it's honestly really funny the implication that I'd be a jew for saying that the Sonic Franchise has had a consistent world aside from some regional differences on a single console generation being squared away.
>>732326000It was a typo. But you're right, it is pretty funny.
>>732320991the idea that people are still filtered by Sonic CD is beyond me.
>>732324958>how Blaze technically has two introductionsI just ignore 06 Blaze, and only think of Rush Blaze as canon. I hate 06 so much, Blaze is supposed to be a alternate Sonic.They removed Blaze's agency and made her Silver's sidekick. Blaze should have the relevance as Shadow out/in universe.
>>732326392I mean if you want to get into it, she's more of a Knuckles counterpart, but you know that's neither here nor there and probably not important enough to be a stickler about.
>>732326335Also, not to be a thorn in your dick, but saying people are "filtered" by something is admitting that it has objectively offputting shitty aspects but you take it as a point of pride to tolerate them.It's not actually saying that you think the game is good.
>>732326491There's no reason to argue, they designed her to reflect Sonic.
