Her healing from attacks, especially attacks through shields, really is bullshit. This boss fight wouldn't be so bad if I could just use my damn shield.
>>732320232In diablo 2 there was a ring that prevented monster healingDo you not have that in elden ring?
>>732320232I just wonder what From is gonna do to bounce off of their "gotta go fast" style of bosses they seem like the sort of dev to become self concious enough of what everyone expects from their soulsborne bosses these days to notice and think "aww fuck everyone expects our bosses to have 12 attack long combos what can we do to make everyone thing we still got it?".
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>>732320408>the nig in Knight getting censoredlol
>>732320408watch dragonirian reply commenting about him censoring his own name lol.
>>732320232Just interrupt her so she dashes back, then throw a knife to bait her into doing a running kick, backstep and hit
>>732320232Use a heavy weapon to break her stance instead of a gay katana.
>>732320232Low IQ RETARD ALERTYou can easily out DPS her healing. Great Shield is the easiest method of dealing with her in fact.I swear /v/ is full of meme posting retards that just take sniveling whining youtube reviewer takes as fact. Did you know Matt Mattosis was ALSO wrong about Great Shields being bad in dark souls III? Stop spreading the lie that Melania's healing through shield hits makes the fight impossible.
>>732320924whats that?
>>732320232But you can. Barricade shielding WFD is a viable and good strat. Yeah she heals but so what? Just hit her bro. If you're shieldpoking and she's outhealing, then your build is just 0-damage nonsense. Consider anstpur or bloody helice or something. Honestly she doesn't even heal that much per hit and her combo strings aren't long enough that she gets that many in one go.>Whaaaat I have to adapt my build depending on the situation??!?!?!yes its been like this since demons souls faggot fuck you
>>732320924KEK basically just said the same thing based yoshitard
>>732320232If she's out damaging your attacks with the chip heals she does through your shields, then your DPS is too low and you should check out fixing your build.
>>732320668Isn't she not guaranteed to do the kick? she can do the triple flick slash thingy
>>732320804I am using a heavy weapon, an breaking her stance seems to be the only way to get her. She's just so damn fast she hits me while I'm mid attack and does like half my health.>>732320924I'll try the shield then, everyone says you shouldn't but I do seem to be doing good damage. Still the healing is bullshit. I don't mind bosses that heal, I just think it should either be a slow consistent amount like in DMC or in her case it should be in proportion to how much damage she does to you.
>>732320994I have a sword. I can't shield poke.
>>732321220ok? i beat her with a fire claymore. git gud
>>732321180If you're going with a shield, try guard counters. Block and then R2, you'll hear a specific sound that tells you that you did it right. Make sure you have a longer weapon.Outside of Waterfowl, her combos tend to be pretty short (you only have to block the first flurry anyhow). So you don't need insane amounts of Endurance to fight her. Barricade Shield works even if you have low Endurance. Have you gotten to Phase 2? That one is a bitch because a lot of the tricks that you can do in phase 1 just don't work anymore.
>>732320408>K***ht
>>732321386>>732320525
>>732321180>I'm using a heavy weaponOk, so do you know how to do Guard Counters right? Malenia is a slut for guard counters poise breaking her. You should be melting through her in no time.
>>732320232you can beat her without dodging and only using a shield. one of the easier ways to do it desu. well you still probably want to run out of the way of the Scarlet Aeonia at leastin fact you don't even need to block her attacks. you can beat her without blocking or dodging any of her attacks and just mashing your own attack button. Elden Ring is basically choose-your-own-difficulty
>>732321378Yeah I can get to phase 2 like 50% of the time. I'm using Maiketh's Black Blade, so Destined Death is really helping me. I can get her down to like half health is phase 2 pretty consistently but she just does so much damage and I suck at rolling (hence the shield).
>>732320232I played the whole game with regular sword and shield and in the end I swapped to bleed katana *only* for this fight, because I couldn't be bothered to learn how to beat her with sword and shield
>>732321386>>732321425>>732320525>>732320408>In both ER threads at the same time.
She only had 80 stance. If you have a greathammer like the pickaxe you can crit her, wakeup charged r2 (40 stance) then guard counter her once (42 stance) for another crit. She is not outhealing that.
>>732321378Phase 2 is better because she doesn't go into "I'm a stupid bitch" mode where she just stands in place and waits for you to attack. and yeah I beat her at RL1, no penis no weenus no farting no shitting no pissing and no cumming
>>732321752how many ER threads has dragonirian made today?
>>732320924It's a dogshit boss fight in more than 1 way. She would be trash even if she didn't have her healing.
>>732321583Yeah, Phase 2 is really a pain in the ass. Shields have a hard learning curve to figuring out how to use them without being overwhelmed, but trying to dodge everything in Phase 2 becomes miserable at a certain point IMO. Don't try to tank her longer combos, that is a noob trap. Roll them and focus on block->guard counter her one off/two off hits. It isn't about defending yourself totally, but about letting yourself get opportunities where they otherwise didn't exist.
>>7323218348 or 9, you'll always see that webm in one of his threads.
>>732320232>blockinglol Her fight was amazing, one of the best fights in the game. When everything aligned it felt like a dance.
>>732321768Actually ANY of these will ALWAYS stagger her with any R1 or R2. Heavy chads stay WINNING!!!!!!!!!!
>>732321834None, only schizo ritual posters believe every From Soft thread is made by him.
>>732321768Doesn't work in phase 2 because she loves her wake-up hyperarmor.You can only stagger loop her in phase 1, which isn't even hard otherwise.
>>732322174what does this mean though?
>>732320232yeah, if it wasn't for healing it would be one of my favorite bosses EVER, it's a great boss, but self healing makes it much worse and unfairi know that you're supposed to throw whatever bullshit you got your hands on to defeat her, and when i played ER for the first time i didn't mind using spirits and such, but on my 2nd playthrough i wasn't using spirits and played it more like your typical Dark Souls, just a big sword in my hand, no magic bullshit, no summoning etc. and Malenia made me fucking seetheit's an amazing boss, but self heal was completly unnecesaryat least Mohg has blood as his main theme so i don't mind him healing
>mfw I've never used a shield in any *souls gameThere's a button, that you press, and it makes you not take damage, what the fuck good is a shield
>>732320232Not really. It was just another example of how retarded From Shit actually is at balancing for single playerShields are pretty much OP for DS1-3 and Demon Souls. So they gave bosses longer attacks with usually more stamina damge so you can't turtle as easy by default unless you use buffs or go for a specific build. Whereas in DS3, black knight shield and maybe the Chloranthy ring is enough to let you tank 99% of shit and still fight.Malenia is more like 'turtle but use bleed'It's the same with input reading for actions - they had no clue how to balance magic so they just made itthat most spells are going to make the enemy dodgeI'm surprised invisbility sorceries and a few incantations weren't patched to fix it
>>732322325Nobody knows why some faggot obsesses over some other fag who pointed out why Baldur's Gate III was shit or why Seamless Co-op ruined ER pvp, but he does.
>>732322174Schizo that keeps making the same threads every day is upset people can notice his threads.
>op is just blatantly wrong>every person who's agree'ing with him is just parroting the whole "ermmmm le bloodborne boss with le dark souls movement" garbagewe won bigly. all the casuals got filtered out.
>>732322405Shields are buttons which you press and do as much stance damage as a charged r2 or just open them up for a crit. So anytime you can do those it's straight up better than rolling.
>>732320232Just don't get hit. It's not rocket science. Git gud.
>>732320232>Her healing from attacks, especially attacks through shieldsIt's honestly not, you can block her attacks and drag the fight out, but her anime bullshit attack is what sucks. The entirety of Elden Ring was designed to be obnoxious, there's no relief of beating of boss or any sense of satisfaction like the previous games, you just feel like you're wasting time playing Elden Ring.
Ok but how were you meant to figure out how to deal with waterfowl? The way you're supposed to dodge it is so unintuitive. I would have never figured how to evade it on my own.The rest of the fight is fine imo
>>732323056Dodge rolling is pretty intuitive you've been doing it for a decade now.
>>732323056It's trivial to block even on RL1.
>>732323178Kek true
>>732323056Trial and error, I figured out on the 3rd try. >>732323178Is that after the update because you needed to dodge it no matter what
>>732322405Post a video of you I framing every single one of her attacks if it's so easy.
>>732323478Who needs that shit I just spammed spells, why do you make your life difficult for yourself.
>>732323478Imagine suffering like this when grugheads go in there an nuke her hp bar with spells or skills? Why even give her a chance to do waterfowl when you can tell her no?Cucks are so fucking weird.
>>732322759It should be illegal for anyone in the world to not like a Souls game.
>>732323056Can't you do it by the skin of your teeth with Bloodhound's Step? Otherwise people had to use frame data to figure out how to do it consistently from point blank. Anyone posting otherwise is a hack. Yes, you could block it. But your post is about dodging.
>>732320232Stamp:uppercutgiant huntmake her trivial
>>732321768Malenia randomly hyper armors through attacks and when her stance is about to break it cancels it and starts recovering her stance automatically Fromslop intentionally butchered this fight just so people had something to talk about. They were so insecure and felt their product was shit that they had to stoop to essentially guerilla marketing via fanbase hivemind
>>732323504>>732323543My build isn't centered around spells you dingus.
>>732323940bro can't even fucking read there's no fucking hope for the youth.
>>732323924This webm smells like bsKeep in mind the player version of wfd would have also needed to change
Ive beaten every souls game and most difficult actions games, often on the highest difficulty. And I still find something frustrating about elden ring. It feels like I'm playing dark souls and theyre plating ninja gaiden. Even when it's not that hard it just doesnt make you feel cool the way most of these games do. I feel like im the boring dork and theyre styling on me.
>>732323924The first version was likely simply not hard enough. Nothing that special about it.
>>732324123why? you have skills and buffs and crazy blocking options like deflecting tear or barricade shield. Use the shit.
>>732323979Skills? I can't spam them because she gets up midway through and hits me for half my heath-bar. Did you actually play the game?
>>732324218Anon giant hunt flips her like a fucking pancake
>>732323924huh.I quite like the way left looks
>>732324187Well i haven't played the dlc but not of that shit compares to what black blade is doing for example. Then I can boot up another game and be doing equally cool shit to my opponent.I like Dante vs Virgil fights.Not like... my opponent is Virgil and im chosen undead. Gwyn had about the same toolkit you did.
>>732320232>This boss fight wouldn't be so bad if -- the attacks' physical shape at least vaguely matched the visuals.
>>732324271She can get instant wake-up hyperarmor. You can stunlock loop her in phase 1, if you're lucky and can escape 1 or 2 Waterfowl Dances. But in phase 2 that goes to hell because she doesn't stagger the same anymore.
>>732324332Ok? Then what's the issue? Use black blade. You just said skills are bad then I said a good skill now you're saying skills are good. Git gud
>>732324339I somehow doubt that
>>732324421Nigga did you play the game?
>>732324403I meant the boss. That dude styles on you like crazy while you just dodge or block. You simply cannot match his style points. In bloodborne you can. In senior you can. In stranger of paradise you can.I could go on. I have never seen elden ring gameplay where they seem to be styling on the boss.
>>732324441Yeah but I didn't giant hunt her. I don't remember her having any special wake ups during phase 2. It's true that most of her attacks have hyper armor but that shouldn't prevent a free l2 into cr2 with gh
>>732320232>>732320804I used mimic tear and the pizza cutter to infinitely stun her.Figure out how much abuse she takes before she gets a free stun immunity attack and back off to punish or deal with it.Save your mimic for the 2nd phase or close to it if you want a diversion for phase 2, he'll probably die shortly in.I also used a big ol shield like a bitch.Lastly remember:>I AM MALENIA BLADE OF MIQUELLA
>>732324483Yeah man idk you can't dmc juggle enemies in any souls game bb included fuck do you want? Why are you playing a souls game and then complaining about souls combat? All attacks are completely fair and avoidable and the game gives you ample defensive options besides rolling and gives you a fuckton of ways for you to nuke bosses.
>>732324186>you bloody benchod fromslop ruined this and heres why thats a good thing, studies show, experts say
>>732324686Fixed a long time ago.
>>732324604Because each game has gives the enemies more tools and sped them up to the point that it feels goofy. You literally flop around like a fish now during some attack sequences. It looks retarded. I love the series and even elden ring is good but its just a bit silly at times.
>>732324604>Why are you playing a souls game and then complaining about souls combat?Souls combat used to be designed to be fun to play and not just retarded streamer reactionbait slop.
>>732324686based terr melty.
>>732324554Maybe I should just say fuck it and use the mimic tear.
>>732324765Huh thats odd, trannypedos brag about how the original form of the boss is the true boss and you didnt beat the game if you beat the updated version... but then also brag that ackshually the updated version is good and stop asking questions just consume product? Interesting.... lets see what tranny pedos REALLY thought about slopdahn, before you knew it was official
>>732324765OYYYY VEEEYYYYYY SHUT IT DOWN AAAIIIEEEE!!!!
>>732325116>>732325147embarrassing replies
>>732320232her healing on any kind of hit even those that are 100% blocked and you take no damage from, and waterfowl are the only reasons she's a bad bossif not for those 2 things she would likely be from's best boss ever
>>732320393most rings are reiterations from older gamesthe fact it took them this long to implement jumping should tell you how much they know about gameplaybut it was fun playing with sekiro deflection mods
>>732324780and theres the mask drop. lol
>>732320232>This boss fight wouldn't be so bad if I could just use my damn shield.relax shieldfag, they already made a fight just for you
>>732323056>Ok but how were you meant to figure out how to deal with waterfowl? The way you're supposed to dodge it is so unintuitive>boss jumps in the air and hangs there forever before zipping towards you at sanic speed>instead of running away from it like a retard, figure it'd be smarter to roll through it>works>do the same for part 2 and 3 of the attack>dodge everything easily>mfwit's just that easy, maybe use your brain a bit more dipshit
>>732325951You cannot roll through Waterfowl unless you're already on the other side of the arena. It is a frame trap.
>>732326069tell that to my light roll build
I got her guys, I just cheesed her with the mimic tear, it's bullshit how OP that thing is, but bullshit bosses require bullshit solutions.
>>732323056>dogsteps behind upsshh,,, beter luck next time... kiddo>shoves a Frost Pot up your ass
>>732326069You might not be able to but others are probably smarter or more capable than you.
>>732325147Great example of /v/ having preconceived notions of how something will be.Does anyone have any screen caps of people complaining about the Serpents not being in Dark Souls III DLC?
>>732326113Again, it is a frame trap. If you're very far away, you can do it if she misses the first flurry. But otherwise the attack is a frame trap that cannot be dodged by rolling. >>732326228Watch any no-hit fight with her. Their way of avoiding Waterfowl is to either be very far away from her and trigger it from a distance, or to break her AI lock on by running in a specific semicircular path when she's in the air. It cannot be dodged from in close by rolling. Flurry 1->Flurry 2 roll catches.
>>732326434I can just think back on the times I beat her by rolling her moves.
>>732326434nah you're misinformed, I dodge rolled it just fine. Maybe git gud?
>>732324335The sphere is where all the air slash visuals are in game which does the chip damage, you can see her actual sword hitbox in this animation that does actually match the visual.
>is a sekiro boss in a dark soul combat system really fromsoft?
>>732326793Nah she's from elden ring.
>punishes anyone that summons>punishes ranged spam>punishes shield-fags with grabs and guard breaksShe's the best bossfight because she mindbroke so many cookie cutter youtube builds and asshurt max level retards that refuse to actually play the game. >>732321806based
>>732320232Git gud
>>732326434Dude you're getting baited. The two reddit pedophiles you're replying to have never even played elden ring, nor have they seen gameplay. They're here to make you angry because the 13 year olds They're grooming on discord have gone to bed because they have school tomorrow
>waahhh it's not fair she can heal by hitting mepathetic
>>732326878ah yes elden ring.. asset flip the game
>>732320232If you can not skill the game then cheese it or come back later when you drastically overlevel it. Only adderall addicts have a problem with normal people using all the tools the game gives them to... beat the game.
>shitposters are just echoing misinformation from an eceleb
>>732327208healing on an actual hit that dealt damage is fine, healing on a hit that was 100% completely blocked and dealt no damage is fucking stupid
>>732324320I agree, it is still scary but is much more smooth, believable, and sublime. ALl they needed to do to make it more ``difficult'' was to add some Scarlet Rot particles coming off the blade.
what's the fastest way to a beginner 2handed build for the beginning of the game
>>732330087Choose VagabondSwap WeaponNow you have a 2 hander
>>732320407My impression is the opposite, they seem like they give negative fucks about what people think. Like people have been complaining about terrible cameras in too-small rooms and too-big bosses that eat the camera since DS1 and they still 10+ years later proudly put out shit like ulcerated tree spirit.
>>732320924>Great Shield is the easiest method of dealing with her in fact.lmao not true
>>732324186not everything needs to fuel pointless time wasting trial.and errorsometimes things are better off being intuitive, you know?
park bowbro at entrancenow when you fight her she’ll get knocked on her ass every few seconds as long as you keep her engaged
>>732320232After I beat her I learned to parry 90% of her attack. she is fucking bullshit and specifically made to punish shield users.
>>732330087Pick vagabondGet zwei from weeping peninsulaGet charged tear from the woods and axe talisman from the forest ruinsGet teleported to volcano manor, kill godskin fatty and get the stones and Royal knights resolve ashGo back up to altus, get ritual sword talismanPick up golden vow spell from gelmir and howl of shabiri from frenzy towerDo varres quest and perform the mohg script (or just use a +10 of your choice)Get the 2H talisman from the DLCNow you can play the game and kill every boss in 4 hits. Pretty simple setup
>>732324335Ironically this makes it easier to dodge wfd
>>732320484god the Japanese are so fucking dumb sometimes.
>>732320232The double health bars and instakill attacks are big time wastes already but the self-healing is just ridiculous, literally the most tedious time waste of a boss
>>732332821>insta killuh oh viglet spotted. KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKEK kekkity KEK KLEK" KEK LITTLE VIGGY VIGLETTTT KEKKY KEKKY KEKKY NOOOOOO MY FASHION SOULS NOOOO I DONT WANT TO USE RITUAL SHIELD TNOOOOOO KEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
>>732332157mohg script?
>>732332916look it up viglet
>>732320232>mimic tear>blasphemous blade special attack took me three tries or so
>>732320407If they were truly a good studio, they'd take what they've learned until now and make a proper, playable Ninja Blade game.
>>732333080You lost blud. We all love elden ring. Get in line
>>732333196No idea what it means. And masturbumping is gay.
>>732332946wow that's absurd, here I thought I had to actually be good at the game to beat it.
>>732332862>just over level broepic boss design
>>732333435KEKKKKKKKKK HE THINKS GOU INABE TO BVOER LEVEL AHAHAHHA AHAHAHHAHAHA WHHWHEHWJWIWI2I2O>>732333196
>>732322405that's the 67 pose unc get with the times
>>732320232This is the gaming IQ of the average Souls-shitter.>encounter boss>try to use item to counter boss attack (shield)>it doesn't work>instead of trying other items and approaches (ranged battle, dodging, buffing your character to survive in other ways) just double down on "muh shield" thinking it should be a one-solution-fits-all strategy to tank the entire gameImagine the same logic applied to an older game like Ocarina of Time>what do you mean I can't just use my sword and shield on every single boss? Hookshot? Arrrows? That's not what I'm roleplaying! If you used fairies you didn't beat the game!!!!
>>732323924>forced difficulty I'm so tired of this buzzword.
>>732320232>optional side boss that is not necessary for completing the game is hardoh no
>>732320232Shield cucks wishing they could avoid playing the game as usual
>>732333870I am entitled to accessing the DLC I paid for
>>732334017You don't need to kill Malenia to access the DLC, retard.
>>732320232This isn't even the worst part. If you reach the stagger threshold on one of her hyper armor attacks, her stagger meter resets to 0.Just a mechanically shitty fight. It's especially annoying if you're doing a challenge run like rl1 with +0 weapons
>>732320232I don't understand why people found this boss so hard. I just used the Giant Crusher and jump attacked her until she dropped dead.
I got pretty good at her fight so I used to place my summon sign for Malenia a lot. The only move I hated is the one with the phantoms because she would ALWAYS do it right as I was swinging at her, so I'd get hit for 90% of my health bar and get scarlet rot. Can't even sip because you have to dodge her shitty spirits while dying of aids so it's basically a 1 shot every time. This is mostly a coop thing when she randomly aggros on someone else though, it's alright in solo.
>>732321220You have access to every weapon in the game other than the boss souls you may or may not have used up. You have a spear. >but it doesn't as high damage stats as my sword!This is like the #1 noob mistake. How can you be this far in the game and not have realized this?
Just fight her last. If you've beaten every other boss in the game you'll be at a high enough level to just tank her.
>>732336217Summons were a mistake. It allowed shitters to "beat" the game and think their retarded opinions matters.
>>732334017Moron.
>>732330087>pick Hero or Vagabond>pick one of the following weapons: zweihander, golden halberd, grafted blade, greatsword (in Caelid), brick hammer, crescent axe (farmed from exile soldiers in Stormveil), executioner's axe (farmed from a skeleton behind the first church in Liurnia, use sacred blade)>pick up the charge attack physick tear>pick up the charge attack talisman>pick up the roar talisman and war cry if you're using a weapon you can change the ash of>winI don't know why someone is telling you to cheese your way to the DLC and buff stack for the "beginning of the game".
>>732327208>throw this on a tank build>throw on the crimson dagger talisman for good measure>walk away from every single fight with full HP, full flasksIt probably shouldn't cost so little FP to cast, but here we are
>>732338036I have no issue with spirit ash summons. But when someone who used them tries to discuss the game's difficulty, I simply stop listening. Your opinion literally does not matter if you're whipping out the mimic tear every other fight.
