>>732329481Basically everyone? The whole point is to have a bunch of quarreling factions locked into eternal conflict with each other to justify the tabletop wargame. Which isn't to say there aren't sympathetic characters, or that there's nothing worth fighting for, it's just that faction-wide morality starts at "cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable" and gets worse from there.
>>732329481Chaos, they're basicaly a cancer on just about everyone with a soul
>>732329481hmmmm breeding xenos..
>>732329481I like that the guy answers to every single comment on twitter. He's pretty chill
>>732329481Imperium, Chaos, Dark Eldar, Eldar, Tau, uhhh necrons, tyranids, those new squats and yeah, think that covers the bad guys
We have had this thread every day, sometimes twice a day, for the past several weeks. Why? Why are you doing this? To what end, what VIDEO GAME are you trying to discuss OP?
>>732329683Based actual Warhammer-enjoyer
>>732329481dark eldar
>>732329683Yeah, its set up so there are good and evil characters in most factions ('nids and greenskins exempted)Even chaos has good guys who treat their slaves better than some imperial officials treat their "free" citizens
>>732330825deldar lol
>>732330542He just wanted to discuss the image.Fortunately, 40k fans are autistic enough to adress the question earnestly.
>>732329481Everyone.But actually it's Chaos.
>>732330825>greenskins exemptedorks are arguably the only good guy faction out therethey just like fighting and that's what they do. you're welcome to join in the fun.
>>732329481tyranids and genestealers breeding humans will always be pretty unnerving and lowkey sexy
>>732330974But there's no moral scaleThey're all firmly together on the idea that life is about 'avin a scrap and krumping people.
>>732330869It was mentioned maybe one singular time a drukhari felt remorse for having to rape the soul out of an innocent and hate that they have to do it or become slaanesh's personal fucktoy for eternity
>>732330542Video games?
>>732330974nope, they either fight you to death or they herd you like cattle and eat you or make you fight your kin as they stomp your kids and laugh, they are sadistic not just le goofy cartoon orcy fucks
>>732331086as good a moral philosophy as any, don't you think? they're the only ones actually enjoying life in the setting, everyone else is either getting slaughtered horrifically or neurotically seeking satisfaction they'll never attain
>>732331319nta they are still evil as shit>>732331275
>>732330542Shill campaign for the amazon show that will probably be revealed soon
>>732331275>herd you like cattle and eat you or make you fight your kin as they stomp your kids and laughall in good fun
>>732331356it's only evil if you operate in terms of moral axioms the orks don't agree withfighting = fungetting rekt = skill issue
>>732331405anon they are sadistic, not deldar level but still
>>732329481These discussions are all funny to me because 40k has no real depth to it, the factions that aren't just mindless murder aliens are just less cool murder hungry versions of their fantasy counterpart, even the orks are lamer because they just deleted a whole subrace because actual kunnin' has no place in 40k
>>732330383Inbreeding xenos, even
>>732331506i don't know dude they all seem cooler than their fantasy ones
>>732331405The Orks don't have any moral thought whatsoever, they don't think they're the good guys at all, they don't even think about it
>>732329481Definitely Nids with Chaos second. Nids just want to consume and destroy, something like Chaos has some nuance to it at least, same with say Orks or Necron.
>>732331778orks? nuance?
>>732329481Fucking Tyranids is wrong because all your kids will be bald and the Emperor never intended for humanity to not have gorgeous locks of hair like he does
>>732331823At one point there was a method behind their madness even if there isn't now that their reason for being is gone.
>>732329481there's a certain cosmic horror to some absolute alien monstrosity seeing you as meat to be consumed and meat to be fucked
>>732331871But most astartes are bald.
>>732329481how do i genestealer gf...
>>732333187And that's why the Horus Heresy came to be.
>>732333187Not any of the ones that matter, like Imperial Fists, Ultramarines, Blood Angels, and Raven Guard.
>>732331179>that they have>havelmaoevery single Drukhari has the option of doing what their cousins are doing. They choose to do the torture shit because they like it.
>>732329481orkz is best
>>732333294Why is Rogal Dorn a twintailed brat tsundere...
>>732333349
>>732333349God exists and he is benevolent
>>732333349Rogal Dorn was always flat as a brick.
>>732333187A lot of them do it by choice so their helmet fits better, Then they take it off anywayBut salamanders, alpha legion, sons of horus and prolly one or two more got that norwood 8 gene seed. Its over for them
>>732333294imagine...an 11ft tall loli...
>>732333540I wish Paul Bunyan would let me sleep on her lap.
>orks just love foightin'I miss old 40k where you can keep the orks at bay by propping up all your frozen corpses to look like a firing line on your parapet.
>>732333187Yes, and Astartes aren't meant to reproduce.
>>732330542Rogue Trader and Dark HeresyBoltgunSpace MarineTWH 40KDarktideThere's a lot of 40K games to discuss
>>732335006That's a good comic, but there's no reason the same trick wouldn't work again elsewhere under the right circumstances. Orks aren't fearless and won't blindly charge fortified positions, especially if there isn't a large enough ork around to bully them into it. It's generally not GW flanderizing the orks in modern times, but the fanbase.
>>732337092I see, and which of those are getting discussed here? Any of them?
>>732329481Chaos, Nids, and, Dark Eldar are the stand outs for genuinely evil (in different ways), with Orks only slightly behind.
>>732337523>Orks>evilI think they are objectively too stupid to be evil
>>732337357I haven't read every single post ITT but it seems to be more of a meta discussion that involves the broader lore of the franchise which, for this boards userbase, is heavily informed by the gamesSo I guess all of them, in a sense
>>732329481Everyone opposing this swell guy.
>>732337523I think it's difficult to call nids evil. They aren't really sapient, or even sentient, in the way evil would require. Nids don't generally engage in things like torture or enslavement, and when they do it's always because it's the most efficient way to break apart resistance (like Deathleaper's origin). I think you could make a case for many Genestealer cults being evil (there's one that's basically Umbrella corp in space, for example) but the nids themselves aren't evil in the way chaos or dark eldar are. There is no choice for them to make, no betrayal and no way for them to *not* do what they do. But I do think that's a broader philosophical debate on the nature of evil (and good) itself, and tyranids are cool as fuck so in the end it basically doesn't matter.
>>732337947>Pretty important in making my boys the word bearers>But killed Argel Tal I'm mixed...
>>732329481Everyone except the imperium. Objectively, the xenos are all the bad guys for the simple reason that they are on the other side from humans. >b-but the imperium does bad thingsBad things that are necessary for the survival of humanity, which means they aren't bad things at all.
>>732329481Yeah i wonder
>>732338270both bad
>>732337598it was already said multiple times here that Orks are full on sadistic and toy with humans in cruel ways when not given a fight
>>732337598You don't need smarts to be cruel.
>>732338116The continued survival of humanity is legitimately a negative for everyone in the entire galaxy, including humanity.
>>732338412It's interesting that even the Krorks, primordial orks before they degenerated were fucking evil by most standards.They were absolutely inhuman killing machines that'd just calmly go through an entire city door to door killing everyone without so much as a thought because they were told to.Orks aren't funny lil' guys, they're football hooligans and much like football hooligans if you're on the other team (aka: not an ork) they're going to have some fun at your expense.
>>732329481How is he going to provide for 502 children with a guardsman's salary? Do guardsman even get paid?
I really hate GW cutting out all the ambiguity in the setting to appeal to christcucks
>>732338546what fucking ambiguity?
>>732338546Ah yes the ambiguity of demons who rape and devour souls vs humans
>>732338546How did you even lose then? I thought you were on the right side of history
>>732338502>They were absolutely inhuman killing machines that'd just calmly go through an entire city door to door killing everyone without so much as a thought because they were told to.Not really. The Beast's empire had diplomats and stuff. It's likely Krorks were a fully sapient species.
It's always nice to see 100% organic constant interest in a decades old supernerd hobby after Blackrock acquisition and billions funneled to make it lame and gay.
>>732338546>I really hate GW cutting out all the ambiguity in the setting to appeal to christcucksYou're a retard then. Originally the Emperor was a clear, unambiguous Big Good for the setting, someone who wanted to make things better for mankind and could have done so if not for loving those closest to him too much.These days the Emperor is a fedora tipping atheist who was a shit dad to his retarded kids and fucked up everything every single step of the way.If you think this is more appealing to christians than Emperor as God, you're a tiny, wee baby-brain.But who are we kidding, you're really just trolling, like anyone who uses the term christcuck. Faggot
>>732338502completely true, that being said they are fun non the less
>>732338673The entire reason those demons even exist is because the humans created a system so astronomically cruel that people listen to demons from hell and then went and handed ovee half their armies to these demons.
>>732337523Word bearers might be unironically right though, they have no direct counter part in fantasy cause chaos in that universe has a very strict rule against slaves to darkness believing/ gaslighting themselves that chaos is anything than just pure destructive selfish evilarchaon and lorgar would fucking hate eachother
I liked it better when the emperor couldn't talk, GW quit validating mental illness
>>732333187Astartes don't count as humanity, what with either arguably not even being human or inarguably so socially distant from actual humans that they don't count.
>>732338851cool art kinda ruined by that generic anime style
>>732338761>Tzeetch daemons recruiting guardsmenhttps://youtu.be/oBwtJOkgVxE?si=ekTK4B87z4uktr4Q
>>732337598You don't understand, they need their guro fetish art to be canon. Why? Because reddit doesn't like it.
The good guy faction in 40k is the Flesh Tearers. They like hitting things and their biceps are enormous. That is all.
>>732331823It isn't very well represented outside of the actual books, but there is a group of orks that work with and even for humans on the regular. Blood Axe clans have a long history of fighting alongside mankind, often against other Blood Axe clans or other orks or whoever shows up.There might have been some Freeboter clans that also works with humans sometimes.>>732332653>some absolute alien monstrosity seeing you as meat to be consumed and meat to be fuckedThat's just an allegory for Jews.
>>732338726>starts going up massively around 2017-2018Gee, I wonder if something maybe happened then? Like maybe the company shedding old dead weight in its retarded CEO and getting a new, much more competent one? Then the launch of 8th ed 40k basically revitalized their flagship while previous nerd culture sci-fi IPs like Star Wars and Star Trek were burning in the fires of wokeness, something 40k has (despite what some retards would like you to believe) has largely avoided. 40k people think GW producing female models is bad, but it's nothing compared to the abominations other franchises have had to endure.
>>732338972Their leader also canonically smells like dinosaurs. Nobody else can even compete.
>>732338954I am pretty sure the horrible shit they do when not fighting are actually canon dude
>>732338972EXACTLY. And they get 50% more spike per spike.
>>732339052>That's just an allegory for Jews.lol
>>732339075question, how do unique chapters like that or the sharks come to existence? Like they come from legions right? Do they just choose one day to change themes, wouldn't the primarch hate it, and wouldn't any genetic permanents from the gene seed still be visible?
>>732338761>The entire reason those demons even exist is because the humans created a system so astronomically cruel that people listen to demons from hell and then went and handed ovee half their armies to these demons.Actual retard hours in this thread.The reason those demons exist, you fucking tourist, is because of the war in heaven which happened before humanity was even a thing, to the point where the Eldar was noted as one of the "Younger Races" involved in it.The Warp is effectively fallout on a dimensional level, all of mankinds history in 40k has taken place in a nuclear winter of the entire universe, taking place on a scale we can't even comprehend, much less cause. It's 'What if reality itself was stained with blood? What if the Somme became imprinted on reality itself and started to self-perpetuate itself into existence'There is Only War in 40k, not because of mankind, but because sentient, self-aware parts of reality desire Only War.And as for "Oh, things were so shit that Horus had to join the demons"LolLmaoRetard
>>732339237Robot Girlyman's dumbass said chapters should be limited in sizeso they splintered into tons of different chapters
>>732339290yes yes but I mean when the chapter becomes different
>>732339260>The reason those demons exist, you fucking tourist, is because of the war in heaven which happened before humanity was even a thing, to the point where the Eldar was noted as one of the "Younger Races" involved in it.The demons did not exist as a significant force in the galaxy until the people started feeding them with their terribleness. The Old Ones died to them, sure, but then they went to do literally fucking nothing for millions of years on end.GUESS when they become a significant force actually capable of acting on the galaxy directly? When HUMANS construct an horrrific brutal empire ran on slave labor and mass genocide, place all their armies in charge of 20 or so completely bugfuck insane lunatics like the guy with nails in his brain and the guy who decimated his army for absolutely no reason, and the guy who crucifies rats and makes statues out of human flesh and then loses an argument to them.
>>732339068It is also, as the kids say, a huge (((coincidence))).
>>732330653If they're the bad guys why do they make my dick hard?
>>732331362Fuck me thats probably it. How bad do you think it will be?
>>732339468No, it's literally just a company doing good by improving its marketing and selling a product people want. Not everything is a jewish conspiracy.
>>732338727>unambiguous Big Good for the settingThis. Shit, part of the old lore that I think has since been retconned is that the Emperor tried to unify mankind several times before the great crusade through different approaches, with one of them via religion and it was suggested that he was every messianic figure in the various religions like Jesus, Buddha, etc.
>>732339075This nigga posts that just as I'm reading Helsreach for the first time.>>732339237The two major influences on a chapter are purpose, origin and gene seen purity.For example, the Imperial Fists legion split into a few chapters during the first founding and its grunts formed the actual Imperial Fists chapter, while the space division (the actual space marines in space) formed the Crimson fists (I think). So obviously their disposition and specialization is different as a result. There was an entire series of chapters raised specifically to hang out around Cadia and keep shit from spilling out of the Eye of Terror.Second, some chapters are raised or repurposed for a specific reason by the high lords. The Minotaurs are infamously mysterious for having gotten severy fucked up and then repopulated and repurposed as the private army of the high lords.And finally we have impure gene seed where you get shit like the Blood angels and their successors having violent visions and the Black Dragons having bone spikes grow out of their arms.
>>732329481>Tyranids actually look like pic relatedYou know what?Sure, would.
>>732339405>The demons did not exist as a significant force in the galaxy until the people started feeding them with their terribleness. The Old Ones died to them, sure, but then they went to do literally fucking nothing for millions of years on end."The demons weren't a big thing, they just merked the most powerful race that ever existed through the mere act of existence."Yeah, okay buddy.A riddle for you secondary; why did the Golden Age of mankind, when humanity went all in on being heckin' Star Trek come to an end?When did that happen?Was it before or after the brutal empire you're whining, mewling and sharting about?I'll give you a hint it's not the answer that you really, really want to pretend it is, fuckhead.
>>732339676like the space sharks, how did they came to be and why sharks and what legion?
>>732339405>GUESS when they become a significant force actually capable of acting on the galaxy directly?Long before the stuff you mentioned considering that the Emperor is a gestalt psychic construct created by neolithic shamans for the express purpose of opposing Chaos.
>>732339760>riddle for you secondary; why did the Golden Age of mankind, when humanity went all in on being heckin' Star Trek come to an end?Because another separate race fed the demons by being awful, destroying everything. Had they not done that it would have not ended.Even then, demons did not have armies. They were not capable of directly interfering on the galaxy. They had to be called by people there. Now, because humans gave them 50% of their best military assets as eternal slaves, they get to freely interfere in galactic affairs.
>>732338270But Astra Millitarium doesn't defend their homeplanets they are occupying other people's planets like Stormtroopers.And they look like Real Life equivalent of Stromtroopers.
>>732339316The original founding (when they all split off from the main legion) had chapters formed by those with a different philosophy to the original, like flesh tearers being formed out of the most psycho of the blood angels, these got their own traditions over the years. Other ones were made from scratch and have little to do with their founding legion because they kinda just made their own shit up as they went along. Some chapters got a bad roll on the mutations when they were made so they were different from the start.
>>732339859According to the canonical lore the Emperor created Chaos during his fight with Horus, which was so intense it reverberated back in time and originated Chaos in the first place.
>gives you super AIDS>makes it so that you can't actually die or even be physically impeded by having super AIDS>fucks with your brain so that you legitimately enjoy having super AIDS and are happy about it>is genuinely proud of and affectionate to his minions, unlike the other three who each seem to actively hate their own worshipers in some way>rescued a space elf goddess from getting raped to death by Slaanesh just because she was niceHe's the most benevolent character in the setting and they hide it just by making him so fucking ugly and off-putting lol
>>732339760>A riddle for you secondary; why did the Golden Age of mankind, when humanity went all in on being heckin' Star Trek come to an end?>Was it before or after the brutal empire you're whining, mewling and sharting about?Actually after. Imperium on purpose hunted down and destroyed all DAoT humanity enclaves and states they could find durring Great Crusade, just as they destroyed all friendly xenos (while open Chaos worshippers were offered peace).This is why Votann doesn't like Imperium at all.
>>732340034But they also say that Chaos came from the combatants of the war in heaven fucking things up so badly that their effects reverbated to the immaterium, turning the once nothingburger that was the valley of souls into the warp. It's why necrons know about warp rifts and why they have tech designed to seal them up.GW is, as usual, retarded and giving the playerbase 2 contradictory sources for the origins of Chaos.
>>732340034>canonical loreLol, lmao even.
>>732340219After War in Heaven and untill birth of Slaanesh Eldar souls were still able to rest in the warp with no issues and respawn into new body.
>>732339629old lore is so much more interesting than nulore
>>732339760Additionally emps didn't get off his ass and start empire building until the eldar fucked slaanesh into existence which opened the fucking eye of terror and ate a good portion of the planets in the area in the process.
>>732339728
>>732340324Cry some more.
>>732340010from scratch?
>>732340165Nurgle loves his children. Everyone mistakes this as him loving his followers. They're just the soil that grows his plagues, his true children.
>>732340428he's kinda right
>>732340454They found a vault containing the original primarchs' gene goo, and made new chapters from that rather than taking it diluted from existing space marines. This turned out great until the alpha legion pissed in the gene goo and the next batch after that all came out mutants.
>>732340165>just because she was niceNo, because she's immune to all known diseases and he wants to find the one that will kill her.
>>732329683This.Although i must say, the Orks are having the time of their life, they want WAAAAAAH and they're in an endless WAAAAAAH
>>732338761So demons and their followers are just seething redditors, got it
>>732339616Bro jumped on the wagon at full speed, good job newfaggot.
>>732329481Chaos and the nids, basically.Necron used to be one but they've been demoted to saturday morning cartoon villain chaotic neutral tier where their actions are fundamentally self-interested but ultimately tend to benefit the galaxy as a whole.>ImperiumThe whole 'imperium is fascist and fascism is le bad' discourse spurred by the Orange Man's gestapo shit is the reason we're even having this thread but while the Imperium is like unequivocally a fascist totalitarian state, it's not propaganda like some pearl-clutching twitter grifters seem to think. I'd argue the Imperium as a fictional entity works something like inoculation. It's silly, transparently awful, narrowminded, downright stupid, debilitatingly incompetent and suffering a terminal decline entirely of its own making. But it's also cool as fuck. It says the quiet part out loud, that everything different from us is secretly plotting our downfall and it's okay to hurt them, that the state is a cult you must worship or perish, and that the lives of the individual are immaterial relative to the continuity of an abstract concept that exists to be the jewel in the crown of a corpse kept alive by the desperate need of those same individuals to have something they can defer hope and responsibility to.I'd argue that fiction creating an oppourtunity to engage with and revel in that headspace in abstract is safe way for people to better wrap their heads around the psychology of real fascist regimes without the obligatory wehraboo cringe phase where you say very stupid things about real events that happened to real people.While I'm sure the nature of the imperium and how it's depicted appeals directly to people who are already neonazis or muslims, I think by and large people who engage with 40k, have fun with it and laugh along with it are far less likely to end up subverted by chud discords, grifting influencers or paid shills.
Sooooo. How scary is hive fleet Kronos?
>>732333187space marines aren't human
>>732340574oh, well can anyone just do that?
>>732341186orks deldar
>>732341286stfu heretic *BLAM*
>>732341186>that everything different from us is secretly plotting our downfall and it's okay to hurt them, that the state is a cult you must worship or perish, and that the lives of the individual are immaterial relative to the continuity of an abstract concept that exists to be the jewel in the crown of a corpse kept alive by the desperate need of those same individuals to have something they can defer hope and responsibility to.Unironically describes the current year globalist death machine and the cult of normalcattle worker-consumers worshipping it. Except instead of space marines and a psychic corpse god, we have nothing but gay retarded shit like intersectional feminism and a baby-eating jew cabal.
>>732339847From what I vaguely remember, the space sharks are mysterious space marines of mystery who were formed to patrol some dangerous part of deep space or some shit like that.
>>732341610are primarchs fine with marines being made from scratch with separate themes or existing chapters diverging in themes all made from their gene seeds?
>>732341362>OrksThey're a problem, not a villain. They have no great goal and there's no scenario where they "win"They're just acting according to their nature. That nature is inherently disruptive, but not deliberately so. Orks can be managed and coexisted with by just fighting them off, because their ultimate goal isn't to destroy you it's just to foight you. They can be a serious threat, but they usually aren't, because the setting has established in very concrete terms that they are manageable. Orks are basically a natural disaster, which is why "Green Tide" is so apt>deldarIn the opposite extreme, the deldar are unequivocally evil but too small to be a serious threat. They're a nuisance, basically the Somali pirates of the setting.
>>732341684They don't get any say in the matter so it's immaterial.
>>732341706for the billionth time, Orks are sadistic fucks who enslave, eat, kill and chicken fight their vicitms when they dont fight
>>732337598The desire motivating the majority of orkish action is murder. Not only are orks evil, they are nearly incapable of any act of good (which is not completely accidental). They enjoy killing, shooting, blowing things up, building things to kill more people with, telling other orks to kill people, intimidating grots into doing non-violent labor and killing. Orks take great pleasure in the suffering and death of others. For most orks, murder is not a means to an end to achieve some greater goal of conquest or resource collection or some other objective, murder IS the end goal. All the other things (conquest, mining, etc.) is just a means to achieve more killing. Some orks like the Bad Moons have other goals like amassing money, but they will almost exclusively achieve this goal through violence. Orkish currency can only be achieved through violence, since it is literally ork teeth.
>>732341727but they are the big bosses of the legions
>>732341505And yet you'd argue the Guardsman dying for the Emperor to protect his home and family is justified, even enviable.How curious.
>vietnamese news site says Cavill is constantly last man left in the office editing shit until 4 am for the 40k amazon showPlease be good.
>>732341808teef
>>732337598No, that's really only Snotlings, which are tiny goblins which have the intelligence of dogs
>>732341767Just crumping wif the da lads dat is
>>732341684The primarchs are either dead or gone. Nulore says Guillman woke up and he's the one that devised this system in the first place so he is presumably okay with the principle of it, even if countless details regarding the implementation doublessly irks him on account of him being a turbo autist.That said, if you split a legion into 5 groups of a thousand and put each group into a different area of space, give them 10000 years and they will develop their own ways and quirks, shaped by their particular area of space. This I would think can only be recognized as unavoidable.
>>732341948what about the form scratch ones made from gene seeds fresh
>>732341808imagine going 0/1 as an ork LMAO literally me
Orks are a bioweapon on vacation. They're just muckin about and smashing stuff for fun.>>732341856I triple promise that it will be shit.>>732342017I'd say the same thing. They even have hybrid gene seed chapters that are made out of a combination of genetic material from different primarchs. There might have been something about even combining them in a lab to get rid of some genetic flaws.You've got weird shit like the Blood Ravens, which are almost certainly made up of Magnus' gene seed and you've got Minotaurs which might have originally been made of Perturabo's. And possibly still are.Again, the primarchs largely don't get a vote, but I'd say most of them would shrug and say well as long as it works, it's fine.Except when it's not fine and the entire chapter or at least a company or two goes mad and joins Chaos, which has happened more than once.
There arent many cool things in the eldar factions, even tau have mechs
>>732331362The show that's still in pre-production without even a cast yet?
>>732342253The Imperium has mechs. Sentinels are mass produced standard issue mecha built in the millions. Knights are relatively common and titans are a special case.Elfdar also have mechs, but they aren't typically piloted, they take a soul of a dead elfdar and attach it to an artificial mecha body for it to inhabit.
>>732342391i mean cool looking ones
>>732342253Eldar are the soft-weeb faction for the kind of people that were enthralled with hong kong kung fu mysticism in the 80s. It's all martial arts, asceticism and spirituality.Personally I think the aesthetic for the entire faction has aged like milk. Wraithlords look like an offbrand of Garden Gnome and the rest of the faction is a hardcore throwback to that snapshot of the 80s where skintight techno bodysuits were cool.
>>732341684All the loyalist primarchs are either dead or missing*, and all the traitor ones are demons now who don't give a fuck.*Until about two weeks ago lorewise but the two that came back are too busy dealing with the empire being a nearly completely collapsed mess to worry about whether their space marines descendants' offshoots twice removed are holding their pinkies out when drinking tea.
>>732329481Objectively evil: Drukhari, Necrons, ChaosTrue neutral: Tyranids, OrksArguably good: Imperium, Tau
why would anyone create a legion-less chapter from scratch? i get the marines diverging from existing chapters becoming something new but the other i don't
>>732342780Switch necrons and orksalso no good factions
>>732342835To sell more models. Its a wargame/model business first, a story/setting fifth.
>>732342449The combat class titans have a giant catheral on their head and a few hundred cyborg cultists patrolling their body, what more do you want?>>732342835That's a consequence of the gene seed bank system. They just have it lying around so they can build a chapter from scratch or rebuild a severly damaged one.As to why they'd make one from scratch, they already have the psycho indoctrination machines, there is nothing stopping them from doing it.
>>732342610We know the whereabouts of a third loyalist primarch but that's irrelevant at the moment.
>>732342247Aside from the ultramarines supposedly absorbing the two lost primarchs forces, a lot of instances occurred post heresy where traitor legions had individual squads/companies that had stayed loyalist, they very quickly repainted their armour and chose a believable primarch in the confusion of the first founding. Also part of why chapters are so against anyone looking too hard at their genes.
>>732343028in eldar
>>732342253Writers at GW hate the Eldar, this is known. That said, who can blame them? Elves are boring and gay enough as it is, space elves just make it even worse. At least the Deldar are somewhat interesting with homonculi and a profoundly fucked up culture of back-stabbing and a tangled web of personal connections, favor, plots, etc. Regular Eldar are just neutral isolationists (unless you set foot on a planet they silently claimed 600,000 years ago), quite literally the 'nothing ever happens' faction, even while the galaxy burns around them. They're a broken, dying people.
>space book says more than 1000 guys bad>wow our copy is missing a page here too badt. black templars
>>732342780Imperium and Tau would probably be more accurate as >arguably good subfactions within a objectively evil overall faction
>>732342924Necrons are an ex race of backstabbers who live in perpetual undead seethe. Orks are a race that just want a good time but were hardwired for war from the ground up. They're no more malicious (as a whole not individually) than Tyranids.
>>732343202Black Templars are technically codex compliant. They're just abusing an exception to the rule in the actual book. Not their fault Rowboat didn't define it properly.
>>732341808Orks are made for fighting and winning. They're a bioweapon first and foremost, so they're as evil as a gun.
>>732343329anon looks above in the thread, for the trillionth time, they are sadistic and do bad shit to their victims when they are not good for a fightand the backstabbing cunts are deldar, in fact the necron were the ones backstabbed now reclaiming their shit and do shit like tell a planet they have a year to flee before they reclaim it or they all die
>>732343483Until they shave humies and put them in gladiator arenas to kill each other as the Orks laugh
>>732343202>ok you can have a bit of leeway for more than a thousand when you go on crusade to make up for expected losses>we hereby announce that we are on permanent crusade, expected losses are ten thousand marines. Per year.
>>732343587Humans also do to that to each other?
>>732343329Oldcrons were apocalyptic anti-lifers looking to reclaim the galaxy.Nucrons are just petty feudal lords that want to restore their little micro-kingdoms and then be left alone except maybe to also make other apocalyptic threats fuck off. They're like the scifi equivalent to medieval german microstates. They're only directly a threat to the imperium when they wake up on an imperium-held world. Otherwise they're content to just stick to themselves or even assist the imperium, as they've been doing in the latest edition. Because rather than being a collective they're really just a series of very tiny splinter groups with their own leadership, who hate each other more than they hate other races.Their villain status has been effectively neutered. They're more or less replacing the Eldar at exactly the role Eldar used to have before the Ynarri thing destroyed the Eldar's popularity.
>>732343668how does that change anything in what I said?
>>732343178Why blame GW so much when the fandom has utterly shat on eldar just as much? If not have done worse against them
>>732343202I don't like the BTs much but this is an objectively hilarious detail. We should have more chapters fucking around like that.
>>732343587Gotta do something til the next fight, better a scrap than all that mucking about humans get up to when not actively in combat.
>>732343783All chapters technically do It’s only 1000 marines but there is no limit to support or command staff. Scouts, apothecaries, tech marines do not count to the limit
>>732343748Chicken and egg. Are Eldar unpopular because they get no good material, or do they get no good material because they are unpopular? I personally feel it's the former, people like elves in other settings, GW just haven't done enough to distinguish them.
I feel like the Tau are a couple of extra warp storms away from surpassing Eldar
>>732343645In fairness, that sort of abuse in recruitment has lead to some poor choices in recruits. Some threads back an anon pointed out that in the Daemonifuge the Black Templars had been infiltrated by both Chaos and the Inquisition.
>>732343483>>732341808Are Orkz just pitbulls of 40k?
>>732343783What other loopholes are there?.>""forget"" to put all the implants in a marine so they're technically still aspirants in the process of becoming a marine and thus don't count for the 1000
>>732340165Nah, he kidnapped her cause she's feeling overwhelming despair and he's magnetically attracted to that, he's not fucking her despite being the god of fertility I am right that he is the god of fertility, wulfrik directly says that you pray to nurgle for babies
>>732344007no, they are the Deldar's sadism washed down a bit mixed with Khorne's lust for fighting without the blood
>>732333253Have you tried just beeing yourself?
I have 40k fatigue.
>>732342835New chapters are created pretty regularly though. Even Space Marines chapters get wiped out sometimes, and they need to replenish that loss.What actually happens is something like this>High Lords of Terra decide to make a new Founding of X new chapters>They ask the Mechanicus on Mars for their best candidates, they're looking for a well-established chapter that has enough geneseeds stored up to handle the loss of a big chunk of it (since those geneseeds will be used to create a lot of SM all at once). The geneseed must also be particularly stable to reduce the risk of mutations>Then they send an order to the Chapter Master of the selected chapter to inform him that his Chapter will be used in a Founding (I don't remember but I suppose it's a great honor)>The Chapter Master will then select Marines who will become the high command of the new chapter : a new Chapter Master (usually the second of the current CM), a new Chief Librarian, Master of Arms, and some barebones company.>The newly founded chapter get some new equipment and are expected to start building their strength, recruiting new Aspirants in great number and not doing a ton of actual field work as they're focused on training, it probably takes a century or so to be fully operational, but barring cultural ties to their parent chapter they are fully independant
>>732343924>chapter composed of 2000 normal marines but they call 1000 of them scouts to go over the limit
>>732344115You.. can take breaks you know right?I don't like gatcha so I don't hang around in gatcha threads
>>732344007They're what you'd get if you took all the pitbulls and dumped them in a third world country that couldn't get rid of them, and then left them to turn wild for a few centuries.
>>732343927It’s not GW, even with bad books. The salamanders have bad books but they are still popular it’s always been the fandom shitting on Xenos. I know you wanna blame GW for everything but they are pretty much updating the eldar to almost completion rn. Its always autists who treat them as coom rewards and genocide boners
>>732344145Unironically the exorcists do this
>>732344047You can have all the implants as a scout, sergeants in scout squads are usually old veterans who can be trusted to lead novices without them all dying, and some chapters have all their scouts recruited from the already proven elites (space wolves do this iirc)
>>732343958I do wonder if gw kinda wants to write tau out of the setting, most of their art is them losing and taufags always seethe over new lore of them being more and more evil
>>732344475Everyone does it. Hell the Ultramarines do too.
>>732343927They tried to give the Eldar something with the whole Yvraine arc but it was just terminally mishandled and had the opposite effect. Traditionally, the Eldar have actually been quite popular in tabletop and made rounds being top tier. Their popularity was declining prior to that new addition in part because of the spotlights being cast elsewhere and in part because they had to get nerfed to shit on tabletop after a cheese strategy started shitting up gaming events. Yvraine was intended to reverse that trend without necessitating explicit balance changes, but instead it just kind of made a huge mess of their whole lore and then promptly overshadowed them with the whole return of the primarchs and siege of terra stuff. Then since that arc didn't land they just soft-retconned it and basically left the Eldar with no role, place or purpose in the current edition and with Necron increasingly expanding into their old niche of being the surreptitious and unpredictable wildcard with magical technology macguffins
>>732330974No they're not. They're soulless monsters that enjoy killing things. No one in 40k is nice. Even the Tau with their better PR are still bad guys as those who don't give into them diplomatically will give in under their boots and a plasma rifle points at their head. And recently now with the new lore introducing that Greater Good chaos god their warp sensitive members have created is pushing for extreme prejudice and genocide towards them as the Tau with their inability to do anything with the warp and their atheistic mindset has created some hate groups within the empire going after these aliens for the religious views on the Greater Good and bringing about worship of this god and not revering the Ethereals above all others.
The felinids are the good guys
>>732344123ok so what cultural ties do sharks have to any legion?
>>732344071>a bitOrks will make you fight another human captive because they're bored and they like fights, Deldar will transplant all your nerve endings to your asshole and then make you sit on a blender because if they ever lose their torture boners the satan they made will immediately eat them.
>>732344667>soullesscareful with that word, because they 100% do have souls otherwise their technology wouldn't work
>>732331275>fight you to deathThat implies you wouldnt want to fight, which is retarded.
>>732344946They are the Raven Guard Corax didn’t like and had forced them to defend the borders of imperial space overtime they started to absorb other outcast loyalists like maybe night lords or world eaters but it’s mostly Raven guard
>>732345061ok a lot i did notice
>>732344667>They're soulless monsters that enjoy killing things. They literally have two warp gods. You can't do that without a soul.
>>732345061>Deldar will transplant all your nerve endings to your asshole and then make you sit on a blender because if they ever lose their torture boners the satan they made will immediately eat them.Not a single thing you said happens in Rogue Trader, where you actually end up in Commoragh.Hell, Ephrael Stern ends up there too and that doesn't happen to her either.
GW inadvertently created the most aggressively right wing piece of media in history and have spent the last 10 years trying to apologize for it without ostracizing the fans.
>>732345343not hm but what? that's just shit writing
>>732345343Doesn't act 3 start with a flash-forward after a months-long non-stop torture session, then tossed in a corpse pile?
>>732345509It's really not.What's shitty writing for the main character of your videogame/graphic novel to end up as a sack of nerves suspended in a jar instead of continuing on their hero's journey.
>>732344946The records of the Imperium are so badly kept that chapters can just pop out of practically nowhere, claim to be the great-great-grandsons of a famous loyalist legion, and as long as they're not doing anything heretical no one will really check.Yes this does mean that there are some loyalists chapters who are really just ex-traitors, and sometimes with no ex at all.
>>732345694then don't add deldar if they aint gonna act like deldar lol
>>732345343>not a single thing you said happens in Rogue TraderDid you miss that part where your party gets sent to individual torture chambers specifically designed to be the worst thing they could come up with for that individual? Did you miss when marzipan goes ballistic and kills a bunch of crew first time you go into warp travel because he needed a bigger shell for slaanesh to lick at to protect his creamy centre?
>>732345765and ones with no primarch from prior at all right? just made from his gene seed
>>732345343>basic lore is wrong because I didn't pay attention in a video game section
Hey, 40k tourist here Why everyone calls it imperium when they are Fucking commies who worship a golden retard instead of the average kike because of cult of personality bullshit, yes commie niggers worship kikes and their inbred degeneracy. Fuck everyone who got offended you deserve it for not being better than the average migatard/democrat Epstein apologist nigger inb4 tranny tourist screaming/pol/ and glow niggers denying moot going to the Epstein island then getting blackmailed, forced to hire glowniggers and unironically active child predators to "moderate" this website while having discord accounts just for the sake of sharing pics and stories of underage boys being abused, totally not directly connected to plebbit circlejerk of gangs of trannies And faggots who hate this website and anime
>>732345805deldar still get their rocks off on watching you struggle in their gladiatorial pits though. That's not out of character for them.
>>732346032they have to make it more extreme or it doesnt work
>>732345895Unless you're one of the first Marines (read: first THREE) of your First Founding Legion, you didn't get any genetic material from your Primarch himself, you got it all from cultivated geneseeds grown in other Marines.
>>732329481The fanbase
>>732346141marine making is so fucking complex yet the marines themselves are one note
>>732345343Rogue traders and high ranking officials are allowed to go to commoragh because they trade in slaves tho
>>732345343speedreaders shouldn't play crpgs
>>732345367Would get Isekai as a male felinid just to get a harem of felinid sisters of battle
>>732346094They make you fight in spiky bondage gear if that makes you feel any better.
>>732346030Not going to read your schizobabble but the Ecclesiarchy has had the last 10,000 years to brainwash all citizens of the Imperium that the Emperor is a god.
>>732346378lame
Didn't we have this thread yesterday?It's still the Necrontyr not knowing their place and the Old Ones being petty
>>732346378>Siblings setting matters between them after the battle What is this sexual tension in the air. Is this porn?
>>732346612nope, also old ones were nicer about it
>>732346265It's not that complicated. There's lots of details about it, but the basic boils down to grabbing a teenage boy / young man, feeding him growth hormones, training him on weapons and tactics, hypnotizing him to ensure his loyalty, and grafting into him a bunch of new organs you grew from geneseeds.
>>732346030>why do they call it imperium when they have an emperor?gee anon, i wonder, maybe lay off the /pol/skizobabble and fucking lurk for a day or two
>>732346678meant like the deeper shit not the process sorry
>>732329481GW
>>732346094>>732346378Didn't those spiky suits act similar to angron's butcher nails and filled them with pain, anger, lust and other ugly emotions?
>>732346651They're not siblings. The Drukhari calls her sister because they're almost equally skilled and she doesn't know it's a human under the helmet.
Everyone is bad except nids. They're just silly little guys that wanna eat snacks and swim in the pool.
>>732346612Just the usual attention whore user seeing a thread gaining traction in /v/ and constantly making a pseudo general till the mods noticed/tg/ doesn’t like 40K lore threads anymore
>>732346802huh
>>732346802are they genemodded?eldar are, like, faster than fucking bullets without any enhancements
>>732346870not that fast but still
>>732346870SoB are enhanced in many ways including gene enhancements, augmetics, enough combat stims to kill an ogryn and occaisionally the divine light of the emperor himself
>>732345367>and have spent the last 10 years trying to apologize for itBut they didn't.
>>732346802Extremely Disappointing It would been better if they were siblings and almost nobody got killed but instead they were doing just to cause pain. Finally the siblings dropped their weapons and made love while the crowd cheered, forcing the human to puke and cry for the emperor. Basically warding everyone from the lustful god and making the emperor bleed from his skeleton's eye sockets
>>732346870No, but she's running around with around a 7000% faith multiplier due to being a receptacle for the combined faith of 700 sisters of battle all stitched together by a keeper of secrets for the lulz.
>>732347098kill an ogryn my ass
>>732347346isn't that a different sob?
>>732347410No, that's Ephrael Stern.
>>732347134>You will not be missed>Constantly having to shove in blog posts the imperium is satire >female custodes
>>732339547If Cavil actually has a lot of creative control, it might not be as bad as Rings of Power or Fallout, but a fan being in charge could still be disastrous, just look at post-disney Filoni
>>732341706>but not deliberately soTHEY ARE THE REMNANTS OF A TOOL DESIGNED EXPLICITLY TO BE WEAPONS OF WAR, IT WAS 100% DELIBERATE THAT ORKS ARE MINDLESS MURDER SLAVES.
>>732347475He has enough control to do rewrites.
>>732347475He got fired from the witcher for constantly complaining about stuff that wasn't in the books so i trust him
>>732337798 wish there were felinids for rogue trader want a felinid psyker for rogue trader origin
>>732347475>disneyHERESY!! BURN THE HERETIC
>>732347670OwO
>>732347475Tbh I didn't think fallout was as bad as rings of power, its not good but I have such a low opinion of Bethesda writing that I was okay with itI felt like I was going nuts because I heard lines before on here and on xitter added to the showThat's not good enough for 40k though lol
>>732347590GW literally came out and said there are no female space marines, I think all major lore changes demanded from Amazon are done? I'm also nervously optimistic
>>732346870Stern is a super special sister for some reason, it's explained in the comic, but it's been decades since I read it
>>732348367i did and it was stupid
>>732330542People were seething about Space King and a 4chan thread was trending on twitter making fun of themNow OP is spamming over and over trying to strike gold because twitter gives you money if your post trends
>>732348439what was the explanation
>>732348184Valrak said the custodes were a woke sacrifice he had to do for appeasement
>>732348367Stern manifests psychic phenomena by drawing on the Emperor (supposedly) as a catalyst, but in a different way to psykers (apparently). It's theoretically closer to the "miracles" of living saints and random sororitas than it is to psykery. Except she can kinda just do them whenever she likes.The reality of her weirdness is that she's a holdover from older 40k, when the specifics of the warp and psykery and faith were less developed. She's literally a comic book character that's been fit into the modern setting. She doesn't quiiiite gel and is inherently sorta bullshit. Think of her existing in the same narrative space as Mephiston, where you go "sure, whatever" and leave them to it.
>>732329481(You)
>>732345085>>732345223I didn't mean in the physical sense. I meant it in a metaphysical way as in the way they act unethically and immorally would be viewed as "soulless" by some. A "soul" in 40k is a physical manifestation of your mind. A normal being would instantly become just part of the Warp upon death with only those with the strongest psyker powers being able to maintain their mind in the Warp after their body is destroyed. That's why psyker humans are terrifying as most times they don't have the willpower to control their abilities and just transform into living portals for Chaos to invade through. I never thought about it until now but there's no "Heaven" type place in 40k. All souls are damned and condemned to go to the Warp where their essence can be used for horrific things due to all life having more evil thoughts and doing more evil things than thinking good things and doing good things. The Eldar got it right making their own artificial afterlife with the soul stones and network each Craftworld has for their own to avoid going to the Warp. Yeah sure it's mostly because of Slaanesh forever chasing them in it, but even then when they die they'd just go to the Warp anyways and their soul rendered by the evil energies there. I'm curious about the Tau now and whether they're "soulless" anomalies or they have something else they go to in death since the Warp is just another dimension itself the vast majority of life in the galaxy are connected to through their minds. Perhaps their minds are connected to something else alien to the warp and cannot manifest itself through them like the Warp can with psykers.
>>732346739Its gets scarier when people claim they are not gene modded yet they have 20 additional organs
is there some new warhammer product coming out that they need to shill multiple shitpost w40k threads 24/7 here?
>>732345367>GW inadvertently created the most aggressively right wing piece of media in historyIf terminally online "right wingers" look at the IoM and say>yup, literally me, epic based trad model for societythen they're retarded, it's not GW's fault they have shit for brains
>>732348516stitched together sisters gave her msgic powerds
>>732348740Boltgun 2, Dawn of War 4 an that total wargame
>>732348740Well, there's 40k Total War and DoW4, pretty sure there was something else too.
>>732329683>it's just that faction-wide morality starts at "cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable" and gets worse from there.Only applies to the Imperium, only the deldar can claim a more sadistic and cruel state of affairs than them. Everyone else is way more chill.
Do tau have anything to combat the DA tech imperium has?
>>732348531>Stern manifests psychic phenomena by drawing on the Emperor (supposedly) as a catalyst, but in a different way to psykers (apparently). It's theoretically closer to the "miracles" of living saints and random sororitas than it is to psykery.Yep.She even obliterates a culexus assassin with a kiss which if her powers were psychic in nature should not be a thing due to how culexus assassins are psychic blanks.
>>732348504Fucking lol twitter engagement 40K thread is insane
>>732329683This is why AOS is superior. AOS is what morally grey actually means, theres some good people mostly bad people but a lot of people in between. 40k is not morally grey, it's morally black outside of like two group and 5 named characters >>732348646trvke
>>732349216i dont think 40k wants to be grey
>>732349216Grimdank tranny
>>732349107probably, since the imperium has barely any DA tech to begin with
>>732349323That site is dogshit like all of reddit is but it makes /v/edditors seethe so it has that going
>>732349107shoot them with a gun
>>732349495but their DA guns are bigger and better
The imperium is essentially ruled by monsters that have long since strayed from humanity. There's very little differentiating them from chaos, aside from them no recruiting from outside humanity. I don't think the average imperial guard being sent to face horrors far out of his league (realistically just being a meat shield to buy time) differentiates Khorne from the Imperium. or the political class from Tzeentch etc...>b-b-but muh greater goodThere comes a point where you have sacrificed too many planets too willingly for that to be a believable stance.
>>732346030The Imperium is all evil governments, religious institutions and bureaucracy rolled into one. Calling them "commies" means nothing when one planet is a purposefully technologically stagnant medieval farm world that 100% thinks the Emperor is the creator God and the Space Marines are literal angels, one is a global factory making weapons that fully know what is going on out in the galaxy or you're living the best life you could ever have within a high secure and safe section of the Imperium never once seeing war come to your world and seeing the glorious propaganda showing how well secure and defended the entire Imperium of Man is never once seeing anything negative thanks to the fine work of the Inquisition making sure you NEVER see anything that would make you question authority.
>>732349216Not a big fan of AoS because I don't like the "grand alliance" schtick. I much preferred when relations between factions were a lot more fluid (like the awkward triangle between Empire/Athel Loren/Bretonnia) rather than have god-kings that make everything rigid.Also having 99.99% of humans under Sigmar sucks ass, that's also why I don't care for the Imperium, split that shit up. You made Cathay a real faction, retcon them in, you have dragons in AoS already, give them their autonomous Jade China realm in Chamon or something.
>>732349584tau arre greater good
>>732349107Tau tech is better than anything the imperium has, they have missles that pierce void shields and oneshot titansThe thing is there are literally like 1 million humans to every 1 tau, they ain't winning any time soon
>>732349594>I don't care for the Imperium, split that shit upIt's there in small doses, like the Tau's human auxilliaries and the Severan Dominate.
>>732349543and they can't be reliably maintained or brought into the field. they're like 3 guns all rotting in Mechanicus vaults and the Magos overseeing them would rather rip his head off them let them actually be used.
>>732349675even better than DA shit that bend reality?
>>732349794The Imperium doesn't have the DA shit that bends reality. It's why it's DA shit and not Imperium shit. They lost access to it. Because of the Age of Strife.
What's the point of 40k if you can't marry a Sister of Battle?
>>732349924Pretty sure you can. They don't have vows of celibacy or anything like that.
>>732349883can tau make reality bending shit in the future?
>>732349924you can rape 'em
>>732349216>AOS is what morally grey actually meansLolLMAO evenIt's pretty much the same diet 40k but without good design choices
>>732349794What this guy said>>732349883Humanity at its peak was almost on par with necrons, but most of it was destroyed because it was powered by AI, which turned against humanity and bought them close to extinction. This is why its "dark age" shits completely forbidden in case we got another men of iron war
>>732349794if, and thats a big if, they had any they would be sitting in some mechanicum forge world being venerated as a holy relic, and they would rather send in the titan legions to their deaths than use it for any reason
>>732349675>>732349794Nothing tops Necron tech. Having a machine with all the stars in the galaxy as candles and snuffing out one makes the star go super nova is some pretty potent reality breaking shit. It's why they were the masters of the material world to the point they made pillars that prevented the Warp from interacting with the area it would cover rendering all psyker powers and technology based off using the Warp rendered useless.
>>732350140but i am not talking about necron
>>732350140IIRC dark age humans figured out the blackstone fortresses and were making one of their own when shit went south
>>732329481The Cadians
>Tau went from cavemen to space faring mech suits in 3000 years>it's been 257 years from the Damocles Gulf to Roboute's return>not a single groundbreaking new thing happened with T'au technologyT'au are the "peaked in high school" race.
>>732333294
>>732349989they do have a gun that kills daemon primarchs by now
>>732347365ogryn are not unstoppable gods of war, they're just fuckhuge retards.
>>732350460yeah but stronger than marines dude>>732350306they got warp stormed
>>732340165To me this is a debuckle in terms of "Are we UST chemicals in our brains or something more."Nurgle says, no, you are just the chemicals, and i can tweak them so that you'll be able to live off of turds and not mind whatsoever.It's about whether or not you believe in human decency as an ideal that should stand on its own. It's a stowaway who starved to death because he wouldnt eat his comrades and so on.The irl equivalent of nurgle philosophy is to just go do heroin. You will feel THE BEST you've ever felt and nothing else will compare. But should it be all that life's about?
>>732350306They figured out life extension and i forget his name but some tau fire caste captain was exiled for failure, then came back 250 years later and nobody believed he was who he said he was because tau only like like 30 years
>>732350049>This is why its "dark age"That means there's very little information about it. There's not much about humanity during that time other than they had extremely advance tech but an AI war ended up destroying much of what humanity built which cut off all parts of the colonized worlds which set the stage for the Empeor of Man.>>732350140Well you were talking about best tech and the Necron so far have everyone beat.>>732350285They made something similar called the Phalanx
>>732329683This. The point of Warhammer is to sell toys and the lore bends over backwards if they decided they wanted to start selling space marines with boob armor.
>>732350397in lore?
>>732350501 Nurgle philosophy is actually about the unending cycle of life and death, decay and renewalEverything else is just stinky dingleberries on top
>>732350510They also made Supremacy Armour. Which is really funny, because just like... look at it. The T'au solution to titan-class killing was to stick the largest, most long range, bullshit giant guns on the back of an extremely high tech colossus of a suit and call it a day. Shit is phenomenally funny both in the lore and on the tabletop.
>>732340165> Vile monster turns you into a filthy abomination> Corrupts you on a fundamental level so you don't care> No really guys, he's (((Benevolent)))You're spiritually indian.
>>732350501slaanesh is the last part
>>732350510Farsight is alive due to the necron (i think?) sword he has, not because of any Tau tech
>>732350665they have ships for titans or knights cant remember, tau are not like the imperium where it's just bigger mean better, the mech you are talking about was not the first solution
>>732340165FYI the minute you are cut off all the super aids and super cancer all starts to hurt
>>732331362That's 2 years away, minimum.
>>732350510That's farsight, he's kept alive by a demon/necron sword he found that eats the lifespan of anyone he kills. Most tau named characters are kept in the freezer until they're needed for lore, or replaced by holograms if they don't have to show up in person.
>>732340165He basically has isha strapped to a medical table and constantly experiments on her to test new plagues she’s under going torture that she can effectively cure it’s not exactly heaven
>>732351084which one is it
>>732340165t. Poxwalker copius
>>732329481are there any books that go into detail on exactly how gene stealer cults begin and grow to the point of preparing the planet for a hivefleet invasion?
>>732350665The KV128 is better desu
>>732351138Which one is what? The sword? It's kept intentionally vague. It looks necrons but actually demony. Could also be an artifact of an entirely unrelated extinct xeno species
>>732351262I like how the idea is so bullshit that the writers know the only known factions that can make such a thing are these twoalso eldar maybe
Why do warhammer fans hate the idea of the connections between fantasy and 40 k
>>732349216>age of shitmarI bet you're a skavenfag too
>>732342253They literally have guns that shoot SHURIKENS
>>732351409that's cool?
>>732351367All of fantasy is occuring on an isolated planet in the 40k universe. All of the 40k universe is happening in a glass ball on a wizards shelf in the fantasy setting.
>>732351367fantasy has an inferiority complex
>>732350510You're talking Commander Farsight and he didn't "figure out" how to stay alive longer. He found an alien sword and when he kills something with it he gains what would be their lifespan. He's been alive for that long because he's killed a bunch with it. What the Tau do is put their best people in stasis and revive them when needed. What happened with him was his ethereal ended up dying and when they thought that things would eventually break down among them without their "needed" guidance and didn't he began to question why the ethereal caste is in charge and if the Greater Good "works." He ends up founding a few colonies of his own and contact between them and the Tau go silent. The Tau decided to surveillance on their colonies, thinking they had fallen into ruin without their control and found they were actually prospering and so branded him and those under him traitors in exile for going against the Greater Good.>>732350785Makes no sense to be Necron as they're immortal robots already. Possibly Necrontyre since their natural bodies live short lives so stealing the lifespan of others would be beneficial. But when you look at the blade it's being held up by a battle suit which is far bigger than a Tau or Necron meaning something the size of a battle suit would have wielded that blade. It's most likely a Warp weapon used by a Chaos warrior in terminator armour during the Horus Heresy.
>>732351367Because it's kind of incongruent. Chaos being so invested in this one planet and also a galactic force fighting planetary wars doesn't really feel right. It makes Fantasy feel meaningless- everything happening on the game doesn't matter, it's one planet out of billions.
>>732351367Do they now? Seems like GW hates that rather.
>>73235136740k has a superioritycomplex
>>732351506can i see the sword
>>732342589>Personally I think the aesthetic for the entire faction has aged like milk.It's amusing that we have the exact opposite opinion because I think Craftworld Eldar have the peak of elven aesthetics in all media.
>>732347456>>You will not be missedAnd..?>>Constantly having to shove in blog posts the imperium is satireImperium was never meant to be a good guysLiterally every book's entry have>To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods>>female custodesPeople complained that bananas were just another batch of marines when they became an army, GW made most obvious distinction between them
>>732351543Mentioning the idea of the warp or say having a demon primarch show up in both original fantasy and AoS has people scream it’s marvel or multi verse fatigue
>>732351506It could be c'tan, they're about the right scale. C't'au
>>732351772Imagine nurgle or khorne forcing Mortarion or Angron to do some shit in fantasy and that get BTFO’d by random bullshit
>>732343927>Are Eldar unpopular because they get no good material, or do they get no good material because they are unpopular?It is obviously the first because the exact same song and dance happened with Fantasy. Years of mismanagement, no releases, dogshit releases, and terrible malicious writing killed the setting, but lo and behold that same setting and factions got GOOD material (Vermintide and Total War) and suddenly the setting acquired new fans.Eldar would have been great if they did something interesting with them, but GW doesn't, they only did the dogshit Yvraine arc that only served to throw ANOTHER bone to the Imperium fags, and fondle the ballsack of the plurality of 40k's fans which are marinefags who get off from repeating the knife ear bad meme at nauseum.
I like the theory that the Imperium are the skaven of 40k
>>732351892nah they'd win
>>732348661>all souls are damnedNot for pious humans. If you are faithful to the God-Emperor your soul joins his upon death.
>>732351929That's not even a theory, it's thematically true.
>>732351772It's really inconsistent imoBel'akor shows up in both, and no one cares, even though all his history is from fantasy.conversely I know people who hated the fact that Kabanda showed up in End Times for Fantasy and wished he was retconed to just being Skarbrand.
>>732351772The siege of Tera had a lot of fantasy original demons make cameos btw shit even Ulkair from DOW 2 crashes the party
>>732351506People say it might be Necron since it's usually them or the Eldar that have the bullshit hyper tech and it certainly does not look Eldar in any shape or formit could well be a random alien species that got put to the sword millennia ago and Farsight just happened to stumble upon it, GM is not shy of handwaving having to explain someting like that
>>732351772>Magnus finds the tomb kings>can't decide whether he likes them for being like his dusty boys or hates me hen for being like the necrons
>>732352120Has Magnus ever interacted with the Necrons?
>>732351509It arguably makes fantasy stronger though, they have better control on fighting chaos and have better control on magic (sometimes) and also you can find a chain sword in total Warhammer
>>732351971Unless you're chosen as a saint it's way more likely your soul will be burned as fuel in the furnace of Big E than keeping any sort of individuality
>>732351367It's fun as a meme but it worked better when the development of 40k was extremely limited and Primarchs were just guys and the Horus Heresy was a vague mystery, not the clear cut deal they are now
>>732352253Well yeah you don't retain individuality but it's better than your soul being raped by daemons for all of eternity
>>732352183Considering how matchups go, the same bloodletter that can tear through a squad of scifi troops with laser guns can be stopped by a bunch of village boy conscripts with spears
>>732351509>>732351543GW themselves only ever wink wink nudge it a lot of the lore fandom of both sides don’t like it. I personally think there is a lot of room for stories here for all 3 settings of AoS, old world, and 40KImagine a group of marines are in the warp and they see golden warriors fighting demons. They come to aid and see strange weapons but dont question it they technically look like marines. The battle ends and the marines are shocked as the golden warrior removes *her* mask
>>732351367Genshin takes place in the Warhammer Fantasy universe.
Tech goes like this.Necrons>Eldar>>>>>Votann/Tau>>>>>>>>>Mechanicum>>Imperial>>>>>>anything else.
>>732351576Maybe it's smaller enough for a Space Marine commander, but way too big for a regular human let alone a Tau to use normally.>>732351842Why would they need a weapon when they manipulate their own forms to be weapons and are master of manipulating the material plane like the Chaos Gods manipulate the Warp?>>732352025Yeah I know but the nature of it seems more demonic in that it requires you to kill something to gain its life span. Eldar live extremely long lives so why steal the life span of another? Feels more like a powerful lost relic from the Horus Heresy.
>>732352454Could you expand on that idea?
>>732352493Too not tron-like or green to be necron, also eldar tech needs psykers now that i think about it
>>732329481Technically there is none. Everyone is an asshole to each other to lesser or greater degree and this also depends on the sub-factions.The closest to being true bad guys are Chaos, some Necron Dynasties, Tyranids after it was discovered the Hive Mind does know the concepts of emotions (especially hate, spite and holding grudges especially towards Tigurius)...but overally of these three it's Chaos that is closest.>>732338708For me it was bizarre when I first found out that Orkz long before 4th ED were smaller compared to the ones 3rd ED presented. Like they were shorter than guardsmen.
>>732352458>Tau > AnyoneLol. They learn fast but they're no where near the capabilities if any other faction. Votunn are also debatable. They use tech more freely but the shit the Mechanicum keeps in their basement could probably exceed most of their abilities.
>>732352752The shit the Mechanicus keeps in their basement is shit they have no ability to maintain or make more and even when they do they actively refuse to do so. The Mechanicus is a cargo cult.
>>732352752>they're no where near the capabilities if any other faction.Lol you're fucking insane, they don't have the numbers, but that's why their techs makes up for it.
>>732352493>Eldar live extremely long lives so why steal the life span of another?Because they can? Reminder that the majority of the Eldar before their fall looked a lot more like the DEldar than the craftworlders
>>732352752nta Tau definitely beat everything not DA the humans have, Orks and chaos are fluctuatingall the time, and nids i dont know
>>732352860Before the fall, Eldar were all immortal, and if they died, they could literally walk out of the afterlife to live again, like it's undying lands
>>732352912fluctuating all*ftfm
>>732352951it doesn't mean they didn't made it, they could've made it to some slaves to fight over it for their blood games
>>732352752Votann are literally the imperium but better in every tech.Tau have their own tech AND some votann stuff, their mechsuits can vaporize marines like nothing.The imperium wins by attrition, not by tech, else they wouldn't be struggling at all.Whatever the mechanicum have in store, can't be used or they'll be branded as heretics or they won't even know how besides one character (Cawl) their tech is a little bit superior to the imperium though, since they keep the better stuff for themselves.
>>732352493Wasn't it implied to be one of the Swords of Vaul
Imperial fans will tell you Damocles was a victory but ignore the disastrous Titan loses and imperial rout that happened that’s why this fandom is garbage you’ll cry about GW messing up lore yet will spout modified lore when it fits your world view
>>732352578It reiterates the same events happening, except the Lizardmen equivalent (Mesoamerican lizard dinosaur beings with Ziggurats and Mayan temples that turn into spaceships and ancient laser canons and such) weren't made by the Old Ones, they were native like the dragons of Fantasy are, just integrated in their system.>extremely advanced sci-fi entity travels the void for a planet to turn into a stronghold against Chaos>finds primitive planet>terraforms it to accommodate its creations>makes humans, elf humans, and sentient beastmen>creates artificial gods for their races or integrates existing minor entities in their pantheon>primordial magic seeps in the world that splits into 7+2 elementsof magic (although that's closer to AoS)>before the unknown Great Plan is complete, Chaos invades and fucks shit up so they flee>tablets are left that show fragments of a prophecy for what that plan wasSchizophrenic? Yes.
>>732353080well there is no evidence of that. eldar stuff has a clear aesthetic. it's likely just some random artifact.
>>732352912Chaos has warp bullshit instead of tech, their tech is old as shit.Orks have numbers and "believe it" magic, because of their numbers.Nids are biotech and numbers.
>>732353167It's the school of youtube lore slop shorts speaking again. They're the same type of xitter commenter that will complain about Tau "not fitting in the setting" when they are older than they are irl.
>>732353437I wonder if there are 2nd edition purists somewhere.
>>732353167Costly victories is a staple of the imperium, who cares if you lost a titan legio and now the other three warfronts are massively weakend, you won and thats what matters, and thats the only thing that will matter to you unless you want a visit of your friendly neighborhood inquisitor
>>732353432orks have some degree og actual engineering built in their noggings and chaos warpsmiths and darkmechs are free to innovate apparently and have cosmic knowledge "gifts" so it's not just magic and daemon engines
>>732349591Excuse me but commie countries are backwards and retarded too. Nothing about them is holy by normal people standards. And So far commie shitholes have more in common to the imperium of mankind to any other civilization/form of government in Earth. >But they worship the emperor Commies worship their leader, irrelevant >But the religion Commies are kikes who hunt down christians, Fucking retard>Inquisition and other religions institutions of the imperium They are no different from the KGB>But Emparedado said he hates lunatics and religion If that was the case then the order No. 277 wouldn't be a thing. Face it, the imperium was founded in lies and deceit by the biggest failure in history: the emperor of mankind. And just like that red idiot, Magnus, neoth was played by tzeentch + eater of knowledge
>>732340165Tell me the story of Nurgle and the Elf goddess.
>>732352860Look at the size of the blade and ask what dainty Eldar is wielding that massive blade?>>732353150Why would a god need a blade that takes the life span of a mortal to add to their own? Warp gods lives are dependent on those believing they exist and can only be truly killed by another god.
>>732349594>anon thinks webstore clasification impacts faction relationsAoS has probably the most bizzare cross faction relations out there with the GA system havign 0 lore impact. Deepkin's only real mortal enemy is Teclis elfs and they're both Order, chaos + undead team up was a thing directly after chaos vs undead saga due to geopolitical shifts, greenskins are basically split between good guy sypatizers and chaos orks (in all, but name), necrophages are protectors of humanity in every major story they show up in despite being grouped within Nagash factions.Dwarfs are whores for everyone taller then them >99.99% of humansAre Chaos worshipers and are split between countless marked and unmarked cults
>>732353625It's literally just magic and daemon engines. They mix it with tech, but their actual normal non-warp infused shit is pretty old.Also yeah Orks have that, but it just mostly works because they believe it should and their massed warp energy makes it work.
Whole lotta alien lovers in this thread....
>>732353908we've seen the files Tyberos, we know you worship a Vtuber
>>732353639You know what communism actually is? A stateless, classless, cashless society. All "communist" governments in history were all authoritative totalitarian regimes with some socialist policies sprinkles about.
With all the games Warhammer and 40K have, it being discussed as a series on /v/ shouldn't be surprising. Hell I've still got my copy of Space Hulk for my old Amiga, somewhere.
>>732338270lord blood cum was such a misunderstood character didn't you read his book trilogy?
>>732353801Not really. Ork tech works just fine. The impact of their gestalt is seriously overstated, it just makes it run more smoothly, but they have an incredible wealth of engineering ability programmed into their genetic memory by the Old Ones. Ghaz was literally able to identify that a star was about to go nova and they should probably leave the system by looking at it.
>>732353801I am pretty sure it's not just demon warp magic, just the ones we see in the game is that
>>732346809why is Behemoth a flat brat...
>>732330542>videogame discussion>in /v/
>>732354065You are not making any point. In fact every time you post the more ignorant you sound. It's like you don't have the basic grasp of commie politics, divisions, workforce, religion, culture, population, etc. Have you seen a new gothic ship been built after the dark age of technology? NoThat didn't happened. They can't do shit except copy what others made. Just like Cuba, stagnant, sterile, dead. Mankind has become a fallen empire and if the emperor becomes a god then our humans souls are going to be slurped by the emperor's holy asshole
what are some good lore channels to watch?
>>732354748I dunno maybe the fleet of ships around Cuba shooting anyone who dares to approach has a bit of an impact on its technological progress.
>>732354538cuz they got flattened in the battle of macragge
Why is this allowed in Fantasy but not 40K?
>>732355023who's the blue one up?
>>732354065Closest you're gonna get is Cambodia by the Khmer RougeIt was - cashless, literally abolished money, trade and private property- classless but only to the point of anonymous but low hierarchies and a rigid ban of any showcasing of wealth to indicate higher class- it still existed as a state but a state where everybody is a mixture of farmers, workers and political vanguards onlyAnd it was fucking horrible.
>>732355023Eldar are meant to be more alien and weird than fantasy elves are, but it doesn't really work
Did Tau actually beat a hive fleet?
>>732355023because in the grim, dark, future there is ONLY WAR.
>>732354748>Just like Cuba, stagnant, sterile, dead.I don't remember the Imperium having economic sanctions put on them for having the audacity of rising up against their basically slave owning plantations owners along with the US mob running shit down there too.
Ogryn seem like decent fellas but I've only really seen them in darktide
>>732349107No. DAOT Humanity was the single strongest faction in the history of the galaxy. If it wasn't for the Eldar shitting themselves so hard it spawned a Chaos God then Humans would be ruling the galaxy.
>>732355541necron and eldar and hell maybe krorks had better shit dude
>>732329683yeah, it's why for the most part i don't really enjoy 40k, it's just not for me and that's fine, some of the games are fun as long as i ignore the depressing aspects of it
>>732355456Ogryn make no sense biologically. They're humans evolved on high gravity worlds, but they rather than being short and stocky due to the gravity being higher, they're taller and roughly the size of an ork. Being tall is bad on a high gravity world as a fall is far more dangerous so being closer to the ground is more beneficial to survival.
>>732355351And orgies.
>>732354401>Ork tech works just fine.Lol
>>732329683can anyone argue otherwise?>>732346776oh true
>>732355596Onlt Necrons are close. DAOT had weapons that rewound time to ensure their projectiles hit, and used them as basic weaponry for ships. One DAOT ship found in 40k destroted an entire Eldae fleet by itself by simply firing in the direction of their ships before relocating them into the shots. The Eldae Empire was already getting their shit pushed in by Humans expanding outwards.
>>732329481Realistically speaking, if the tyranids determined that the most fast and effective way to absorb a species genes and biomass into themselves was to seduce and interbreed with them until the species was fully assimilated rather than trying to fight and eat them, there's no reason they wouldn't do this.
>>732355541How can they be the strongest in the galaxy if they literally lost to Chaos, which is a faction in the galaxy? Also the Eldar Empire of the time was ruling the galaxy. Humans were not doing that.
>>732355541No? I don't think they could have conquered eldar or necrons at their peak
>>732355801It literally does. It is greased by the gestalt field but those red vehicles run even if you paint them blue, they aren't magically propelled by the power of imagination.
>>732355801nta it genuinely does work....for a while until it explodes or tiltsbut the point is they DO have actual knowledge built in them on making real non psychic needing tech, but they are orks so...yeah
>>732340165what are you talking aboutnurgle worshippers are suffering 24/7where did the meme come from that they are fine? they've gone crazy, they don't enjoy superaids and they still go hungry
>>732355160so an authoritative, totalitarian regine with some socialist policies sprinkled about
>>732355848close? Necron and Eldar had better shit anon
>>732329481>who are the bad guys of warhammer 40k?games workshop
>>732355865When Slaanesh was being born it caused the Men of Iron to go rampant at the same time Warp Travel became impossible, cutting Human worlds off and stopping their expansion and comminication for a time. It was the single weakness that DAOT Humanity had since they hadn't learned much about the Webway yet, hence why the Emperor was so focused on utilizing it.The Eldar Empire was also already losing the Humanity and would have been rendered extinct if they didn't summon Slaanesh. Beyons that 90% of Eldar tech is simply inherited from the Old Ones, the who were #3 after Humans and Eldar. The entire Eldar civilization is built on technologt they looted from the Old Ones.
>>732355989>nurgle worshippers are suffering 24/7?Nurgle's blessing literally makes them not feel all the shit going on their bodies.There's even a passage where someone uses a blackstone pillar to cut off the connection to the warp and the Nurgle followers started screaming in pain as they started feeling all the shit crawling inside their bodies
>>732355994It isn't just some socialist politics "sprinkled about", it's teleologically socialist.
>>732355023Real reason? Cause LOTR did it.
>>732355852>if the tyranids determined that the most fast and effective way to absorb a species genes and biomass into themselves was to seduce and interbreed with them until the species was fully assimilatedtotal GSC domination
>>732356112old ones were number one fuck are you on about?
>>732356123>no they are fine see, if they lose the wifi signal they immediately start screaming and vomiting and begging for death, its simply natural and totally family fun>the brainwashing and personality rewrite are fine, lol, nurgle is such a happy dad lolyou're fucking retarded
The same bad guys in the real world, Games Workshop.
>>732356128a totalitarian dictator is not stateless.
>>732356112>When Slaanesh was being born it caused the Men of Iron to go rampant at the same time Warp Travel became impossible, cutting Human worlds off and stopping their expansion and comminication for a time. It was the single weakness that DAOT Humanity had since they hadn't learned much about the Webway yet, hence why the Emperor was so focused on utilizing it.So they lost, thank you>The Eldar Empire was also already losing the Humanity Untrue. They were literally not giving a shit about anything and high off their ass. If they had any actual enemies that would not be the case. Absolutely nothing has ever suggested humanity was attacking or beating back the Eldar- the Eldar simply did not give a fuck about humans.>and would have been rendered extinct if they didn't summon SlaaneshHeadcanon. They were literally infinitely immortal>beyons that 90% of Eldar tech is simply inherited from the Old Ones, the who were #3 after Humans and EldarLmao no the Old Ones are unfathomably bullshit.> The entire Eldar civilization is built on technologt they looted from the Old Ones.Which outclasses DAOT human tech by several orders of magnitude.
>>732355852Orks don't have balls, neither do necrons
>>732356386Orks do have dick and balls because the Old Ones knew the importance of being able to take a satisfying piss at 2am. The testicles are there because the Old Ones never actually figured out what they were but didn’t want to admit it to anyone, so just put them on the Orks because it seemed fashionable. Ork testicles are actually used for additional storage of teef and ammunition.
>>732356331>>732356381Old Ines lost to Necrons who have lower tech than DAOT.Cope however you want, xenosfags, rhe reason we have a HH series and not a War In Heaven series is bevause nobody gives a shit about your inhuman scrimblos.
>>732355023Because Mon-keigh are subhuman trash to them, I'm sure they have porn of them though, getting those long ears red thinking about those BICs.
>>732356347I'm not that original anon you fucking faggot, I just corrected your shitty post as, when "blessed" by Nurgle, they don't feel painnigger
>>732356376Hence I said it's not stateless, that's the classless part —not wholly— where the political body is anonymous and is part of the only class that exists, the working class. It's the biggest factor why Pol Pot never got "caught", most Cambodians did not know of his existence and even how he looked like. He was just known as Brother Number One.
>>732340165>>732355989>>732356123Nurgles curse is that you rot and stagnate but left in this constant state of numbness, the only reason he keeps you around is because to him you're just the rotting flesh carrying his poxes and carrying out his will
>>732356456>Old Ines lost to Necrons who have lower tech than DAOT.they literally did not. they completely trashed the Necrons around and won the war. the Necrons fucking hid in their caves and the Old Ones completely owned the galaxy.
>>732356470>where did the meme come from that they are fine?>because they're being brainwashed to enjoy it>so they aren't fine and have had their personalities erased, magically turned into worship of a chaos god who doesn't want what's best for you>no, they're fine, they love it after all>but it's forced>no it's fine, family friendly
>>732356558actually the necrons came back with the ctan and won then they fought the ctan destroying their good shit and breaking them to shards forcing them to sleep but their tech was better than DAOT, i have no idea what he's on about
>>732356661They didn't win against the Old Ones, the Old Ones only died to the Enslavers. They fucking ate dirt against the Old Ones.
>>732356456you're the one coping bro, it was sated multiple times that Necron have the best shit with Eldar second and they mogged ancient human tech all the same
>>732350303For proving to GW that they don't have to actually try with IG modelsYou produce zero Tallarn models for twenty years and then get pissy about proxies? Fuck off!
>>732356569Are you a twitter tranny or something?Where did I say any of this, faggot?Re-read my postlook at what I've quoted from your postyou said>nurgle worshippers are suffering 24/7And they, categorically, literally, aren't>b-b-b-b-b--b-but brainwasheddoesn't matter faggot, they physically aren't feeling pain or suffering and that's what I said. Kill yourself
>>732356725it's common knowledge that they did win along the ctan the fuck, the old ones lost sorry dude
>>732356558>>732356725You are thinking of the Necrontyr before they became murder robots.And even if you were right, they did not stomp anything, they had to make several proxy races to fight the tide of soulless hate.The Enslavers were what made the Necron say, well fuck shit this see you in 200000 years, gleefully going to sleep while the Old Ones croaked for good.
>>732356386Hence why I started the whole statement with "IF" dumbass
>>732356528yeah but when the non communist part(the dictator with the roving death squads) is what's making things horrible, its kinda disingenuous to say it's communism's fault.
>>732356759bro it's not even clear, you have examples of both, don't worry about it
>>732356997But it is communism's fault. Communism's biggest fault, even as an ideology, is that it markets only goals with very flawed processes that can only be achieved with mass control needed to possibly emulate its goals. Communism and authoritarianism is practically linked by the hip by way of practice. In this way, even fascism is more realistic and coherent than communism.
>>732357179Are you American
>>732338270Human soldier died a virging cuck.Lord Blood Cum is living the Dream.
>>732357235No, I'm a leaf that hates Noam Chomsky and will forever remind people about him defending the Cambodian genocide by way of Dependency Theory because communism is a retarded and a massively failed ideology.
>>732338453This is some kind of guro fetish art isn’t it? The artist uses the same female with Orks drawn like gorillas and not Orks.
>>732357179Ok but that’s not an argument that communism is horrible, it’s saying things get horrible when communism stops being communist.
>>732357651No, you're still not understanding it. It's a common tactic to those who lean hard on the left with communist ideals to basically shun any practical failings in the pursuit of communism. The example that I always bring up the Cambodian Genocide, a very useful filter for this because they will always resolve it into a way that its failings are not of its fundamentalist Marxist values and some even go as far as to say it was "fascist" (because fascism is the devil of communism where the unethical aspects of communism can only happen for some reason). These people purposefully obfuscate or are ignorant why communism as an ideology fails and has failed more than any ideology in the last century alone per attempt.
>>732357651If Communism can sustain itself against corruption then it doesn’t matter how altruistic you wanna make it, it’s a failed ideology.
>>732357990If the Cambodian genocide was actually the fault of communism specifically then I can say the Rwandan genocide was the fault of capitalism.
>>732358094It's the fault of colonialism, specifically the Belgian colonial project in Rwanda. Capitalism, in of itself, is economic literacy of the private market, which was formulated as a counter to mercantilism, which colonialism technically utilized more of than capitalism.
>>732344224Those two things are not really related. One person is fatigued, you just don't like gatcha. C'mon anon this is why you're hard to talk to.Though based fuck gatcha. Still man what the fuck.
>>732330974Why do secondaries ignore that orks find torture funny?
The Necrons. Everything is their fault
>>732357990>practical failingsThat’s a different argument from “the Khmer Rouge was teleologically communist.”
>>732355023The same reason why 40k doesn't have comfy musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoMEgWmZQh0
>>732358539I said it's teleologically socialist, which is communism.
>>732329481
>>732358461dark aeldari, chaos and the tyrannids are objectively the worst factions, necrons are scummy but you can in theory, work on some sort of compromise or truce with them, same with the Tau and aeldari.
>>732358876The Necrons cannot be reasoned with.And everything is their fault
>>732357235No, but I get why Americans don't like it.that was literally an ideology of their biggest enemy that threatened to kill them all, if redditors wanted to sell communism to burgers why the fuck would you use soviet vibes
>>732358805>42,000+ year old virginjust one more reason to kneel
>>732358607It’s still a different argument
>>732359061Let's agree to disagree.
>>732358079>>732357651>>732357179>>732357990>>732358094>>732358539none of you understand communism properly.
>>732358929you have a hateboner dude
>>732333294Literally every chapter has bald Marines you dumb tranime fuck
>>732359116No, I mean literally. Think about it. The Necrontyr were the reason the War in Heaven started
>>732359208there are many reasons and even then WIH is not the only thing that lead to the future to be shitlike eldar and slaanesh and the galaxy and the three other ones and nids and krorks regressing on their own
>>732359208you're not wrong, but the flesh-necrons are literally a different species from the metalbois we have today, the Ctan ate most of their souls in the biotransference process.
>>732358273>that’s not true capitalism, true capitalism has never been tried
>>732359115The Tsardom and aristocracies of Imperial Russia, while incompetent, were subjected to heavy German subversion by importing communist radicals to destabilize the nation, the most notable of which was Lenin who was already exiled.
>>732359334That is no actual ideological vanguards nor faces for capitalism. And the ones that people cite as a "face" of capitalism are plainly economists. It's just economic literacy. It's why it thrives as something apolitical.
>>732358987If a man gets wizard powers by being a virgin at 30, it's no wonder Emperor is almost a god by this point.
>>732358987>>732359481The emperor isn't a virgin, he still has living biological descendants running around.
>>732359545Those are clones. The keyword for virginity is sexual intercourse.
Any 40k books featuring beastmans as the protagonists?
>>732359736Not the primarchs smartass, actual descendants spawned from intercourse. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sensei
>>732351971That always felt like bullshit to me. The only other entity that does that kind of thing is slaanesh to the eldar which was kind of special when exactly did the emperor get the ability to start eating souls like slaanesh does?
>>732359362true. The germans didn't understand the snake they were enabling when they released that kike on the world.
>>732359738beastcoomer's manifesto
>>732359845That piece of lore exists in a canon flux that no longer gets mention in modern 40k but is also not have been specifically expunged.
>>732345367can abhumans join the Sisters of Battle?
>>732359912When people started to believe he was a god. He became a god.
>>732358079But capitalism and democracy also fail to maintain themselves against corruption. Actually every system fails to maintain itself against corruption.
>>732360009If it hasn't been officially decanonized then it's still technically canon.And even if they did decanonize his descendants that wouldn't automatically mean he never had sex, just that if he did have sex the women he was with couldn't get pregnant from his genes that were a billion more years evolved than theirs.
>>732359362>incompetentThats being nice. Id argue the nicolas was incompetent, cruel, stupid, lazy, and possibly a cuckold.
>>732360015no, they are VICIOUSLY against mutants, more so than even most imperial agents and witchburners. they even consider the astartes as filthy mutants a lot of the time
>>732360045Yeah yeah same way he was always the dark king and chaos gods who existed since time itself began guided humanity to make the god emperor exist Im aware.
>>732348661the only soulless things are blanks, everything else ends up in the immaterium, including orks and even necrons
>>732340165>nurgle goodliteral rivers of shit erupt from your body and you feel compelled to consume it
>>732360398You don't even have to cook poop to eat it if it's your own poop
>>732359334the last actually capitalistic society was the USA post revolutionary war, until after Andrew Jacksons death.We live in a crony-capitalist oligarchy operating under a debt-currency ponzi-scheme. And if you don't understand that description, you don't understand economics at all, not really.>>732360342no the old ones created the emperor, he just needed time in the warp to gestalt, the emperor was the long-game against chaos. Unfortunately Horus, Erebus and Magnus ruined everything.>>732360258i'd argue that you're wrong. But more importantly, even if he was, he was still a million times better than any communist leader who succeeded him.
>>732360681>The Government doesn't want you to know this, but...
>>732360681Sure but cooking enhances the flavour.
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>>732340165You don't "feel" anything as a follower of Nurgle. You are in a complete catatonic state, not cognizant of anything except to be a spreader of his filth. Once you are "cut off" you will feel it ALL and it's the most horrifying suffering than any Chaos God will inflict on someone in an individual level.
>>732361491Still a kinder fate than Slaanesh would give someone. At least Nurgle gives you anesthesia.
>>732360139It’s not the existence of the corruption it’s the historical evidence of these nations propagating Communism falling apart at a far faster rate than other systems.
>>732361291That's literally just the Zerg. Just exchange "waifu tastes" with "psionic potential". The Zerg have to constantly adapt to their surroundings and it takes to command the swarm. Kerrigan was that person, a hybrid of humanoid and zerg.
>>732361291if nids are a hivemind does that mean your nid waifu is ntr'ing you with literally everyone else in the galaxy?
>>732361663See, a Slaanesh worshipper actually and intrinsically enjoys what they're doing. There's no falseness to it, it's all genuine.
>>732361743Yeah but it's mutual NTR, you're cucking everyone else too
>>732361735wgo do you think the zerg are based on
>>732348771>le epik media literacy expert here, 40K isn't right wing CHUD!!modern leftism became worship of civilisational rot and decay40k is a story about the endless battle against civilisational rot and decay, a battle against all the enemies within and withoutyou do the math
>>732360849>lost every war he started/joined>killed millions of his own people>exported grain during a famine for personal profit>bloody sunday>everything with Rasputin>everything with his wife Alexandra
>>732361743She's everyone else's waifu too, basically making her the biggest whore whore in the galaxy also known as your mother
>>732361936The Zergs were initially based off of Tyrnaids but later on the Tyranids went and became more and more like Zergs because GW are hack frauds that cannot stick to Tyranids just being goofy crab dinsoaurs shooting guns and wielding swords. Blizzard took that idea and completely outdid the Tyranid inspirations they had by making them a completely malleable race that are technically at the forefront of protecting the galaxy from its largest threat.
