>devs pull a Factorio and raise the price when it leaves Early AccessWhat's the state of the game now?Should I "buy first, think later"?
>>732329541just get a key from a third party website later
pirate it to tryi tried the free weekend and kinda hated it, the movement feels so fucking molasses sluggish with 300ms of input latency and the game has tedious resource gathering mobile-esque crafting and timegating
>>732329541This game is the definition of "slog"
The combat and exploration are satisfying as fuck. The time gating some of the content is garbage though.Adding time gating to a SINGLE PLAYER GAME is retarded as fuck.
>>732329541This game is unexciting and dull, like drinking a cup of barely warm low quality tea
>>732329767It's a faster version of soulslop
Is it a Factorio if they said that was going to be the case from literally day 1 even before EA was realeased? Because they did.Anyway the game is pretty much one of the best works in progress to come in decades and full of unironic soul. Whether they can polish the parts that still very much require to be polished is up in the air and the developer is a schizo with no proper focus on how to do things, but the base it's built on is very great.
Factorio raised the price "to adjust for inflation" (lmao), putting normal price on a game after it's out of EA is just standard practice.
Just pirate factorio who cares
>>732329541>raise the price when it leaves Early Accesshasn't this been pretty much the standard practice? you get the benefit of paying less by taking a gamble and buying the EA game in hopes that it will turn out good, supporting the ongoing development at the same time
>>732330237There's no time gating as of the multiplayer update, actually.
>>732329541????????????????????????????????????That's literally how it went for every single fucking early access game though?
>>732331685>every single fucking early access gamenta but not at all
>>732331743NTA-NTAIt's pretty much the majority of them, yeah.
>>732329541Caves of Qud did the same thing, so I didn't buy it.
On one hand, it's my GOTYAY and there has not been any game that speaks to me like this one in a long time.On the other hand, I have zero hope they will deliver on even a fraction of what they promised the game will be and they have already done bizarre choices and dumb changes that have made the game feel sometimes better, sometimes wonkier.
I'm 7 hours in and it's amazing so far. Time required to craft is kinda bad, but I can live with it.
I'll likely end up buying it because of the local co-op. So nice to have a big game like this that doesn't only just have online co-op, and I want to support devs that do that
>>732331870so how much of the game is done?
>>732332095According to them? 1/4th, ish. That is if you count clearly unfinished systems being there, but not ACTUALLY there. I.E Roguelite dungeon only having 10 floors and 1 boss out of the supposed 50 and 5 total. The upcoming 1.0 release supposedly would elevate that roguelite dungeon to be fully finished, and release 4 (?) more areas to the current map. It would then also add more to the other existing systems such as bounties, crafting, housing, etc, add a third hub, and allow you to upgrade both the currently barebones existing hub (Marin Village) and the third hub (Havenport) much like you do with the main town.I suspect about half of that will make it, though.
>>732332254>upcoming 1.0didn't they just release co-op stuff, that shit is not coming anytime soon
>>732332306eh, they just posted an update saying it was so who knows
>>732332306According to them, it is. But again,lollmaoand so on and so forth.
>>732332306The 1,5 million copies sold says it's "imminent", so maybe they aren't going to take 6 months to deliver barebones little tweaks this time!!!!Just kidding. Probably by the end of the year if at all.
>>732332254yeah, there is no way they will deliver all of that plus the class rework before 2028
>>732329541>need upgrade town to finish the game>first upgrades take 1 realtime hour>second takes 4 hours real time>they plan to add more tiers
>>732329541i heard the story wont even be finished and goes into an expansion
>>732330510>20 hours in dark souls 3>visited 8 different places, 14 different bosses, 70% done with the game>20 hours in wicked>uhhhhh im rotating chest in le cozy master bedroom waiting for the next timer to complete >been to 2 different places because they just make you loop from one place to another without really progressingEBIN
>>732333198None of that is correct. Why bother making this post?
>>732333431You could just say you didn't play the game and just watched someone do stuff on a stream.
>>732329541100% (one hundred percent) of my deaths are fall related>the whole games challenge comes from not falling to your death or being kicked off a platform to your death.
>>732333503so it doesn't take 1 hour then 4 hours? hmmmm? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
>>732332306Its like Larian, they aren't going to update each new section of the story as they finish. I am surprised we got that last major update before co-op that added a ton more story regions. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a fully done story at 1.0 but its going to be buggy and probably rushed.
>>732333615Well, for one it takes 5 seconds since all timers were removed.And for another, even if they hadn't, upgrading the town is and has always been entirely optional and gives you genuinely nothing worth noting other than at best an increased pool of randomized shovelware that you could just farm for anyway so your "need to do it to complete the game" was already wrong from the get go.So again, why are you willingly stupid? For your own amusement?
>>732333701Last time I played game was dogshit.They don't know what they're doing, they tried to chase multiple genres and failed at each one of them. This shit might never come out at this point
>>732333764>Well, for one it takes 5 seconds since all timers were removed.You are lying
>>732333615Lol, tard, that shit got removed.Yes, just like all the white genes from your Amerimutt bloodline.
>>732333894Ah, okay, so you are retarded. Got it.
>>732329541name one other game that let's you play as shaved orangutan
>>732333894You must be American, what with how the concept of easily verifiable information mistifies you.
>>732332254>The upcoming 1.0 release>1/4, ishHuh? Doesn't sound right.
>>732334027Welcome to Moon. Enjoy your stay.
>>732334052Ah, no, don't get me wrong, I'm holding off on buying or playing the game until it's done, I don't pay for promises, broken or undelivered. It's just a passing interest because I liked the concept.
>>732334205That's a sensible thing to do. But yes, Moon does the whole thing of - he he - promising you the moon, and quick too. It usually comes eventually, but it's hollowed out.Their head dev is just a hard-headed schizo. Gives the game the soul it has, but the problem is he is as hardheaded about the bad stuff as he is about the good stuff.
She cute.
>>732334989>Most portraits in the game generally only have one version, except hers and the Madrigal's>Her portrait starts with a scowl>Midpoint of the EA it has softened into a poker face.>Finishing her area has her portrait smiling at you going forward.>On the other hand the Madrigal's starts smugly smiling>Then turns into a haughty chin up>Then ends with a hollow expression of defeat.Unironically kino.
>>732333431I'm talking about the combat not the exploration
>>732333198>>732333503Even if it were true, You play an action game, exploring and killing. It's supposed to be 20ish hours long, and it's not finished. you wouldn't stand in place waiting, you go do shit and come back later. there's hardly a problem with this.
>>732334989they should let us make our character look cute like this, why do I have to play as a troglodyte creature
>>732336924'Cause the maker of the game is autistic and his autism says the lore of the Cerim says they are supposed to look weird. You'd think it'd be about not wanting people to sexualize their characters, but you can still dress like a whore and flaunt your tits about, so it turns out it really is the autism.
While I appreciate the attempts at world building with all unique NPCs with Leah voice acting, it's really hard to buy in to any story stuff. I liked the little NPC thing that isn't marked in any way where you can pester two antisocial depressed people into town into going to the inn and they run into each other and have fun, but everything else feels simultaneously overwrought and insubstantial. I still don't know how the fuck people can tell my character is a Cerim at a glance or what powers I'm supposed to have outside reviving at a Whisper (but I guess not that in Hardcore).It's weird that Odessa is posed as this sympathetic figure, but you meet her as part of an openly hostile faction whose only goal seemed to be "Fuck Sacrament". They were engaging in general banditry and killing regular ass city folk for no real reason. I've only just finished the Marin Woods and Lowlands sections, so I'll reserve judgement for when I hit the end of released content.
>>732337054So why does that other character look pretty?
>>732337331She ain't Cerim. Only your group of respawning rejects are.
>>732330510lol no not anymoreelden ring and specially nightreign is way more dynamic>>732333431Holy shit how does nobody talk about how in NRFTW you spend 30 hours to go through 1/2 the substance as you would in some other competing game within 15?If anything i dont like ds3 but you could pick almost any other example. Like play DS1/DS2/ER and you will go through triple the gear, enemy variety, unique bosses and shit.
>>732334027>>732334052>>732334205they blatantly sliced off the games' scope in half
>>732329541It's a fun game SOLO, maybe the prettiest game ever made, has severe performance issues but remains playable.
>>732337287To be fair, anon, Odessa and several of the other Risen do explain to you their faction was already splintered. Their original goal was to regain independance from the mainland since they essentially get abandoned any time something goes poorly.Their recent leader (Darak) got plagued and started to go insane, but nobody knows that the plague is a thing until you arrive and confirm it.Darak is having a melty because the plague jumbles your memories and he hates that his waifu (Odessa's mother) left him for Elsworth because he's a shitter uggo from the north rather than a noble.Odessa hints that something in the ship you were on was intended to be delivered to the island to destabilize it, and they didn't know you were supposed to be on it, but it was too late to pull out.Her side of the faction also didn't know Darak was going to attack the city, which he does the moment she gets captured.
>>732332254>According to them? 1/4thwhat the fuck
>>732337287People can tell you are a cerim because you are proportioned like a manlet chimpanzee and dress like a clown.
>>732337562It's pretty awesome co-op as well. It's the sort of game you would have thought common sense to exist by now, where you explore a persistant storyline together but can split and go do your own thing at any time, while still interacting with the world simultaneously.
>>732337578But like they could just go live in Marin. My understanding is that Sacrament is beholden to the crown, with the king's brother running it and receiving goods from the mainland while maintaining the mainland faith, but Havenport and Marin are free towns that just trade with Sacrament. No idea what they're even resisting.
>>732337815That'd be like saying, "bro just let this foreign nation take your capital city, you can just go to a backwater village of cultists that get shat on by everyone or to that town literally run by a mafia of druggies where guards skin you alive for fun, what are you resisting?"They don't super love the management of their island or any part of it at all answers to the people that comes to pillage them for resources and then doesn't send any help when they need it, which is why the whole place is crumbling down. It's not difficult to understand how THAT, out of all things, works.
>>732337440I don't know what "dynamic" means but it takes less time here to move and attack than it does in else ring
>Tfw fell for the FOMO,decently big sale and a buncha soulsfags i know talking about itHopefully its worth my 30 dollarydoos moon studio hasn't let me down before downloadin rn.
>>732337440Why do I want to get content shoved down my throat at lightning speed, again?
>>732338007I feel like FOMO would only apply to a game that is new and actuall a fad, but eh.
>>732337812It really is not, so many systems not taking into account co-op dynamics. If someone teleports somewhere you have to ask them where they went because finding them on the map is not only arduous, or impossible of they go underground or the marker is simply invisible. You can be cucked out of bounties and challenges if the game decides you didn't contribute enough effort, such as your friend completing one by accident, and even if you did contribute only one player can receive the rewards. Even just looting and trading is annoying since there are no systems in place to share that information automatically, you have to vocalize literally everything. The one area where co-op might actually work, the crucible, is completely unplayable because a player who dies in the crucible is out of the run permanently. Imagine playing something like Risk of Rain, dying in the second level and having to remake the lobby to start a new run.I play many co-op games with my friends, I love souls games but the co-op experience of this game is a legitimate 4/10 at best.
>>732331870> I have zero hope they will deliver on even a fraction of what they promised the game will be And what would that be. To be they prettty much delivered everything apart from the rest of the map and story. >>732332254>Roguelite dungeon only having 10But they're much more than 10, you just get a random sample of 10 on each run.
>>732338136... I am sorry, what? I am trying to actually digest your post and the majority of the complaints is "you have to actually talk with people about what you are doing while playing co-op"?What the absolute fuck
>>732337986Odessa was born in Marin. And while the game has hinted ulterior motives, isn't the Madrigal's inquisition supposed to be posed as help? There's some spooky plague that no one understands and history is vague on, so the inquisition is marching in to clear the rot. They don't even go after other infected areas, their stated intent is to go to the source and fix it. I'd say that my genre savvy meta knowledge allows me to infer that they have ulterior motives or that shit might go wrong, but it seems like help was sent.Oh and another thing that constantly bugs me is that I pour so much time and resources into fixing up the city, but I can't do anything for the people in the slums except buy up their property.
>>732338128Except the dev said they'll never do a sale this big again, so totally FOMO
>>732338136
>>732338321I don't think FOMO means what you think it means.
>>732329541The crafting resource gathering was absolute aids, just shit to fill the game
>>732338267What is there to digest? You can play the game in co-op but there are zero mechanics to actually facilitate co-op play. The roguelite mode which would be the prime candidate for co-op, is unplayable in co-op.
Game fucking sucks. Tiny inventory, unrewarding exploration, shit performance, shit hitboxes, terrain clipping, halfbaked mechanics everywhere
>>732338429I don't think there is anything either of us are going to facilitate out of this discussion. I find you fundamentally deranged in a way I can't comprehend and I am sure you will make yourself believe the same towards me.So good day, let this interaction be filed as a hiccup in our days.
>>732338379>yeah guys the game will never be this cheap EVER again GET IT NOW!!!>not FOMOI think you are retarded
>>732338474>unrewarding explorationGet the fuck out of gaming.
>>732338526Right, well. Godspeed.
>>732337812Eh, the multiplayer feels tacked on. The persistent shared world that everyone contributes to feels like it's made for asynchronous play, but playing alone in a shared realm feels like a minefield. >don't want to progress the story and have your friends miss out; you can get sucked into cutscenes suddenly and then your friends have to go watch them in the cutscene viewer>really easy to accidentally do all the bounties because it's usually just killing a small group of enemies and rewards are solo>as a result, you spend your time just chopping wood or miningI also think the co-op combat feels like ass most of the time. It was fine early in the game, but later when everyone has big flashy AoE rune attacks or sweeping attacks, melee feels like a fucking chore."Just coordinate!" boils down to melee units just standing there with a shield up or doing their own side of the room. It's a little better during bosses because they're bigger, but not really.
Game feels good to play, looks pretty and is made by competent people, but I got bored in first 30 minutes.
>>732338550>NOOOO I WANT TO OPEN 500 CHESTS WITH MUNDANE CRAFTING MATERIALS
so game good?i am a proud american so i am not going to read this whole thread
>>732338876>making shit upBig chests usually contain weapons/armor.
Tried it and played through the game during free weekendRollslop combat isnt very interesting and actually getting tiresomeSpells were underwhelming, or not even that, but the implementation of Focus isThe devs know if you can ranged all the enemies the game becomes trivial (yet the bow exists lmao) so they made it so ranged does pitiful damage until you build up enough focus to do 1 spell to nuke the whole screenGearing up and tinkering with your gear is stripped straight from PoE (not itself a bad idea) Devs insist that the game is better played with a controller, which is bullshit, ive tried it, you dont even use the second analog for ANYTHING because the game controls the camera automatically (which is fucking horrid btw) but the gameplay suffers because of the controller first design (less buttons to do shit in an RPG, imagine playing classic WoW warlock with a fucking controller)Performance was ass in multiplayer, ok in singleplayer but at times something was very wrong with an area and some camera angles dropped frames immensely, like the tower with the old fartBossfights were decently challenging, took a few tries each in multiplayer but the lack of gear for everyone probably made it harder than its supposed to be in singleplayer, i think it should be kept hardThe mobile elements, gathering stuff to build and craft shit is okay if you like that shitThe artstyle is great but i think the exaggerated long limbs are a bit retarded, but i suppose they are there for the games artstyle to be distinctIt feels like an experimental build where they just tacked on some shit from other games and dont really know what to doI cant even find a good list of shit they actually want to implement, its like buying a pig in a poke
Greatest level design in gaming. Everything else is just cherries of varying quailty on top.
>>732339683>It feels like an experimental build.I mean, even agreeing with most of your post, that IS what it is.
>>732329541What game doesn't do this? Satisfactory did too.
is it a live service slop or si there a definite end planned for 1.0?
>>732340916a game getting updates doesn't mean it's live service
>>732332480It literally doesn't but ok
>>732341381NTA but it did. They edited it out today when people started asking about the date on Discord.
>>732341002thanks for the confirmation shill kun. i shant partake
>>732341634Good. Fuck off.
>>732329767Sounds like you mightve been using heavy armor? Since movement/dodge feels good with light
>>732329541early access games are bad change my mind
>1 million sales a week and a little bit ago>1.5 million sales nowWtf I mean based theyre exploding, but is the power of frendslop really this strong? Hope they start adding new main game content now thenAlso, non-consensual sex scene with Odessa when, little brat requires lots of correction
>>732333764How long it takes to make 5 ingots without fuel?
>>732342060God I hate volumetric fogEvery fucking game these days is just a vast chasm full of indian basedgas
>>732342060It's a shame I have no one to play with though
>>732338878A real american would already have taken a small loan to buy the game.
>>732340916It's not live service
>>732342383As much as it took you to move that goalpost.
>>732329541If a game isn't done at 1.0, it's not worth paying money for.
I guess here is the context since OP is a retard and didn't actually provide any
>>732338267>>732338516>>732338348>No argument, just insulting the guy for presenting points you dislike.Present a counter-arguement if you want your game to look good, shills.
>>732343557>I'm not trying to do any FOMO marketing here, but I'm doing FOMO marketing
ridiculously poorly balanced, magic trivializes the entire game
>>732332254>>732337690The amount of content currently playable in EA is not the amount of content they have, because they aren't dripfeeding new story into EA as they make it. EA stops where it stops because it's a good place to stop, the rest will all come at once on 1.0 release. They have explicitly said no more story content in EA, it all comes with 1.0
>>732343991Even liking the game as much as I do I can say that this is true, has been brought up to the devs, and somehow they have only made it even more broken.The head dev likely just has a boner for magic builds.
>>7323435571.0 will be out in 50 years unless they plan to release the game unfinished.
>>732343991That is exactly how magicfags like it
>>732343991To be honest there are a lot of things which make most of the game too easyJust going heavy weight and using the heavy weight shove trivialises all non-boss contentYou can choose to play light armoured regular melee if you want a challenge
>dont want players to play melee>include melee in your game anywaysI will never understand it
>>732343991whats the point in magic if its balanced
>>732345063>Just going heavy weight and using the heavy weight shove trivialises all non-boss contentAnd you can trivialize most bosses by fully upgrading a great shield and going full turtle mode, just mind your guard break bar and you're basically untouchable
>>732345219That requires a lot of investment to get to that point, throughout the majority of the game heavy weight makes boss fights a nightmare.
>>732345197Since when is the "press button to skip content" the thing the developers want you to do? What logic would there be in that?It's just the easy mode for people who don't want to push easy mode (or did and still fail)
>>732345529>we dont want thing>so here is thing in abundance Anon pls read what you type before you post it.
>>732345197>can't parryFuck on my int build I swapped to the int axe wearing cloth to become a berserker because the poise damage from the rune ability is amazing. Now im just quickstepping and spamming niggers down
>>732345782O-ok, so this does not apply to the fact that 90% of the weapons in the game are melee weapons and 70% of the skills are also melee, but it applies to what I said? What?
