>>732329820
One was extremely arrogant and self-righteous and the other was a woman and had a woman moment.

>>732329820
I look like this

they didnt, retard

>>732329820
They didnt

>>732329913
>>732329925
>hand Stratholme over to the Scourge
>don't expect abominations
???

>"Uther we need to genocide this entire city"
>"What???? You cant be serious. There has to be a better way!"
>"Fuck you Uther im the prince, stand aside"
>"You are crazy"
>"Uther gtfo you are fired"
>"You just tossed a terrible salad Arthas"
>"Jaina u wanna help out? :)"
>"I-Im good"

>>732329952
what causes this level of retardation

>>732330007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7yon9p3WVo

Really Jaina had no obligation to purge Stratholme other than the overall moral opposition to the Scourge wrecking the whole world after destroying Lordaeron. She's not from Lordaeron after all, she's a Kul Tiran noble studying in Dalaran. Lordaeron being destroyed isn't really her problem directly.

>>732329868
>was a woman and had a woman moment
Such common tragedy

>>732330124
Not even noble but outright crown princess of the Lord Admirality. She is next in line to be head of state of a allied nation. Imagine having to explain why she participated in the mass-slaughter of a foreign metropolis, without thekr king giving green light. It would be a diplomatic nightmare

>>732329820
You made this thread on January 30th with the exact same image and opening line. Get some new material.

>>732330278
I remember that thread. It was pretty good.

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>>732330213

https://youtu.be/m3tjLN1JutU

Chat,how do i get my warcraft threads to appeal to pedos for maximum engagement ?

>>732329952
they didnt want to hand over anything to anyone, they just didn't want to follow Arthas' plan of killing every living human being in the city just to stop them from becoming zombies

niether side was fully justified in that scenario since arthas acted like an arrogant retard pulling rank while jaina knew exactly how being infected with the plague was basically a death sentence, and uther was somehow oblivious to this for the sake of the plot i guess

if arthas didnt try to bully uther into making him agree there was a chance he and jaina would have been onboard with his plan, but by that point arthas was a changed man whose arrogance and vengeful attitude dominated him, we even see this in action in northrend where he starts losing it just to beat up mal'ganis

why didnt arthas and urther and jaina use light magic and fix it

>>732329820
why is the Warcraft III abom superior to wow's
not that the wow one is bad

>>732330490
Can't cure the plague.
>b-but the WotLK pre-launch event
Gameplay convenience. Narratively you can't cure the plague, as seen in that quest line in Icecrown where the best you can do is have the Naaru personally intervene to stop the person's soul from going to super hell when they inevitably succumb to the plague.

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>>732330362
Try this.

>>732330907
What's this thing?

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>using wow lore to explain w3 plot

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Which elf girl is best?

>>732330585
>Narratively you can't cure the plague, as seen in that quest line in Icecrown
Then narratively a small group of weakling adventurers can slaughter their way through the entire undead army and the whole thing is a nothing burger.

>>732330462
do nothing: infected citizens die, turn undead.
do something: infected citizens die.
if you don't get this, you acually are a woman.

>>732329820
Ich will

>>732329820
is this achievable with starting strength?

>>732333536
yes

>>732333536
looks like a typical tranny

>>732330124
>Lordaeron being destroyed isn't really her problem directly.
Until her master is killed and Dalaran destroyed as a direct consequence.

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I really like this soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGiQjZ1-9FI

Is that damn Oculus thread stealing my replies?
Fuck the Oculus,all my homies hate the Oculus

>>732329820
i don't understand how uther didn't lose his palahood for abandoning his people

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>just quarantine until we can find a cure!
Never mind that there is no cure to this day, Stratholme was the 2nd most populated city in Lordearon, after the capital. There was also a Dreadlord actively running around the city and teleporting the people out of there.
A quarantine would have been impossible.

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>>732330907
>only popular female pandaren character
>only one that isnt a fat fuck
so sad...

>>732333293
>do nothing: infected citizens die, turn undead.
>do something: infected citizens die.
It's way worse than that. An entire city becoming an undead army would be absolutely catastrophic. There was absolutely no way of saving anyone anymore, they were at the "damage control" stage. Purging the city while the people were still human was much more feasible and it also protected the rest of the realm, despite being something horrifying to do.

Arthas was absolutely right and the strongest person there. Notice how Uther and Jaina, despite complaining that it was wrong, and that there "has to be some other way", offered ZERO alternatives.

They also refused to actually stop Arthas from going ahead and purging the city. If they believed it was wrong so strongly, why didn't they fight him? Because they're cowards who knew he was right, they just didn't have the fortitude to do it themselves, so they let him carry that weight alone.

>>732335864
>If they believed it was wrong so strongly, why didn't they fight him?
Because that's also wrong you fucking idiot
What retard country do you come from where this passes for logic

>>732335620
>Never mind that there is no cure to this day
They didnt know that
>There was also a Dreadlord actively running around the city and teleporting the people out of there.
They also didnt know that

you are applying hindsight information instead of considering only the available informations at the moment. Arthas chose to purge before setting a single foot in the city.

>>732335990
LMFAO you are an absolute fucking retard if you think stopping one man is the same as committing what they considered a city-level genocide. Two thing can be vastly different degrees of wrong and if you can't understand that very simple fact you are way, WAY below average IQ.

>>732336012
>They didnt know that
yes they did. The undead are dead and there is no coming back from death (before all the dumb shit wow started doing)

>>732336098
It doesn't matter what the degree is if they are both wrong, you type like JD Vance. Are you retarded?

>>732335864
>An entire city becoming an undead army would be absolutely catastrophic. There was absolutely no way of saving anyone anymore, they were at the "damage control" stage. Purging the city while the people were still human was much more feasible and it also protected the rest of the realm, despite being something horrifying to do.
Anon purging the city did nothing, it just created a bunch of corpses for the undead to turn into abominations.

>>732336232
what's your education level and what do you do for a living, anon? i want to insult you but it feels like bullying a special needs person at this point.

>>732329820
It's their culture, stop being racist.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKDo6g4CCeU

>>732336340
I have a master's degree and I earn 180k a year in STEM. I'm smarter than you.

Anyone who thinks that Uther and Jaina aren't villains is clinically retarded.

>>732336295
you only know that with the benefit of hindsight and it did stop them from overruning everything. abominations are just the undead picking up what scraps are left, they don't actively want to do it.

>>732336451
>unspecific education, unspecific job, but high salary
lmao i love forcing retards to lie about their qualifications. it makes me feel real good knowing that's what you think is good but also what you are not. enjoy flipping my burgers retard

>>732336340
I earn 7 figures on Onlyfans,what about you?

>>732336232
nta but imagine this hypothetical:
Person 1
>i'm going into the city to blow up a school full of children
Person 2
>wtf, no you're not! *punches and restrains first person*
in your mind, person 2 was in the wrong because punching a person is wrong, and he should have let him go blow up the school. Is that what you're saying?

>>732329820
you dont actually think this you just want a warcraft thread

>>732336656
Person 2 is a racist.

>>732336638
i spend 7 figures on OF a year

>>732336295
Did you miss the follow-up cs of them burning the bodies?

>>732336295
the entire point of the mission is to stop mal'ganis from getting enough undead, dude

i watch my tone with you old man

>>732335864
Doing nothing absolves you of moral responsibility for the consequences of your inaction

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Night elf sex

>>732335864
>"has to be some other way", offered ZERO alternatives.
Well yeah, and instead of even beginning to think about it, arthas started throwing a tantrum that it's his way or the highway

>>732335864
>arthas purges stratholme
>jaina just takes some people and fucks off to kalimdor
>uther does absolutely fucking nothing on screen while arthas goes to northrend
>lordaeron was actually completely fine with the scourge largely quashed until arthas came back and finished the job
arthas was right and people defending uther and jaina are fucking retards

>>732337151
arthas was fucking retarded because instead of explaining his logic he started throwing a tantrum, became hotheaded and began throwing orders around blindly without knowing his place. Then he became even more irrational and accused Uther of treason. He's 100% retarded

>>732330462
I would argue he was a desperate and strung out man after nearly dying to endless tides of scourge while uther comes strolling by and they fuck off.
That situation was engineered.
You referencing a future event after stratheholm's culling strips away his friends and his faith to support your argument is kind of retarded.
Why the fuck WOULDN'T he be hellbent on vengence after the bullshit of stratholme and mal'ganis prancing around in front of him to taunt him with "come and get me in northrend teehee" ?

>>732337048
its almost like there WAS no other way and you just don't want to put the burden on uther
Uther who is supposed to be a FAR more experienced leader was paralyzed with indecision.
>>732336295
You don't know what you are talking about.
they burned the bodies they killed

>>732337312
Why is it uther defenders never put any burden on uther to actually do ANYTHING but run away?

>>732337626
Uther is a NEET hero

why did they have to kill warcraft it was literally the best fictional universe ever made

for the drama to happen in strath jaina and uther had to be very unreasonable
for no reason at all after all they've already seen
it makes no sense
but uther is a good two shoes so probably idk

>>732335864
/thread

>>732330517
Wc3 aboms are animated like a shuffling jiggling mass of gelatinous putrid flesh, wow aboms are more like a normal fat guy

>>732337742
Jains and author are very unreasonable people in general. Remember the sunreavers?

>>732329820
If uther was so against arthas mass culling, why does he keep inviting him to his parties?

>>732337026
wrong and the words of a gutless coward

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>>732337026
>

Why democrats want that for their men?

>>732338127
I think that was his point.

>>732330007
>fast forward a few years
>he was right about literally everything
you lost

sneed

>>732337626
I'm not defending Uther I'm calling everyone retarded

>>732341338
>"I'm not defending Uther!"
You are just calling everyone retarded and refusing to do anything to defend your argument.
Just like Uther, you pathetic worm lol.

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Why would you want to save THIS

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>>732329882

>>732335990
>Having someone restrained for insanity is morally wrong

Paladins, as peacekeepers, have to stop people in the midst of violence all the time. Think of stopping bandit attacks.

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you already made this thread

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>>732341675

>>732341427
My argument is that arthas is right about his assumption but made the situation worse (and becoming lich king as a result)by getting into a pointless petty pride/ego based fight

>>732332256
>Valeera is reserved for the Wrynns
>Thalyssra is reserved for Lor'themar
>Alleria is used goods, retarded and insane
>Maiev is too busy thinking about Illidan
>>>Sylvanas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tyrande
It's Azshara. Elisande or that one violent NElf girl you quest with in Mount Hyjal are also acceptable answers.

>>732347149
Your argument is "nooooo don't talk about Uther's faults focus on arthas"
You are running away from Uther like HE ran away from responsibility.
Uther was the one who should have suggested an alternative.
Uther was the one who should have been aware of how dangerous the scourge were and the military issues with them converting an entire major town of civilians into undead soldiers.
Arthas NEEDED Uther in that moment to be ANYTHING but a coward that lashed out and ran away.

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Why does nobody blame the Kirin Tor for the fall of humanity in Lordaeron?

The Cult was their counterpart, and sprang forth from Kel'thuzad after he was transported to Lordaeron in his short story and met the LK directly. Kel'thuzad was a rogue Dalaran mage so they should have kept high-priority tabs on him from the beginning.

Humanity was really fucked the moment the Cult of the Damned got so embedded in the populace that they were able to poison grain shipments. By the time you meet Arthas it's more or less already too late. People blame Arthas/Uther/Jaina for this stuff and while they share some blame in how it went down it's ridiculous to pin the majority of the blame on them.

Terenas' agents also failed spectacularly. Terenas being the head of state should have been privy to Tirisfal secrets like Aegwynn and the Tyr's Order and should not have been so blind to magic shenanigans like The Plague.

>>732347517
Omg,is that troll ok ?

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The fact that the lore needed to be implemented into books by a garbage writer (a jewish woman nonetheless) is astonishing. To top it: the intern making these threads can only ignite discussion with using an old game, made in pre wokie times, which you were playing, while he was squishin' bugs to sell as red 40 dye and wave it to carpets.
The only thing remembered was by white guys, still theorycrafted to today, while everything past wotlk is just a genderless blur with gay dragons and wheelchairs, only serving as a cautionary tale.

Grim.

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I sometimes just think about how much WoW's writers seethe over their inability to create a villain that's even 1/10th as iconic and memorable as Arthas is

>>732338426
>directly responsible for delivering his homeland to the Scourge
Yep he was correct yeah definitely oh for sure

.

>>732347814
Lordaeron was already far too gone by the time he went back. Why do you think they welcomed his return the way they did? They though he was coming back as a savior not as the enemy.
It's also safe to assume TLK had an alternative plan in case getting Arthas didn't work out anyways so it's not like Lordaeron fell just because of him.
At the end of the day he was right about virtually everything in hindsight, yes.
Stratholme was completely fucked and not purging the city would have only made things x10 worse.
Even after dabbling with cosmic powers and literal death, there's still no cure for undeath.
He was also complete right about all the warnings related to the scourge and the threat they posed.

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Why didn't they just cast Dispel or Cleanse on the townspeople?

>>732351570
How would BogTyrande look?

>>732351570
the reason malfurion was so upset at illidan was because he now also had cool horns

>>732346559
Holy shit, blizzard are genius story writers

>>732351570
the plague is one of those debuffs with the red border that can't be dispelled

>>732351805
She already looks like she got buccal fat removal

>>732329820
>being turned into an american
truly the worst fate there is

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>>732354530

>>732335990
>Because that's also wrong you fucking idiot
Either they thought he had gone criminally insane in which case its the paladin's duty to arrest the crown prince and exorcise his madness or they knew he was right
in either circumstance uther is a coward who abandoned the whole situation, either he had a responsibility to protect the people from arthas or a responsibility to purge the undead to protect the realm and he did neither

WCIII was such cringe shit

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Reminder that to this day in canonical lore, over 20 years later, there is no cure to Undeath. Uther's "surely there's another way, lets quarantine for now and think about it!" still has no merit even retroactively with 20 years worth of hindsight.

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>Glad you could bake it, Uther

Arthas murdered people before they turned. That is where he fucked up.

>>732330124
Nigger she saw Lordaeron as home. In the halls of reflection she refers to Frostmourne as "the blade that destroyed our kingdom" referencing the fall of Lordaeron.

>>732357982
Waiting for an entire city's worth of zombies (the second largest human city in the kingdom, if not the entire world given the state of the other human kingdoms after the wars) to turn would create an unmanageable situation. It would be pants on head retarded to try to wrangle that when you could avoid it by culling civilians who are functionally already dead due to incurable and undetectable disease just so you can give yourself a pat on the back for allowing things to get worse.

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>>732357982
>>732358341
Arthas literally saved their souls. The people that Arthas killed went to the afterlife normally. The people that turned to Undead and then died were sent to the Jailer's Super Hell.

>>732358391
That's later lore but yes, Arthas killing the civilians before they turn does save them from super damnation.

>>732358341
>didn't eat bread that morning
>still get your head caved in by Arthas because he can't be bothered to only take out those about to change
>>732358391
I mean, if we're going off of later lore, WoW also went as far as to say Stratholme was absolutely brimming with holy water and was famous for producing it, and that said holy water was so powerful that it can be used to reverse the plague.

>>732336169
>there is no coming back from death
there has always been a comeback from death, even before wc3 albeit really rare, there is no comeback from undeath even now in wow

>>732359312
Uninfected civilians are not going to be allowed to leave Stratholme due to the undetectable nature of the plague. A quarantine would leave them inside to be ripped apart by zombies. Everyone in Stratholme is already dead. It doesn't matter if you didn't eat the bread, you're dead, it's just a matter of euthanasia by government agents or by being torn apart by the walking corpse of your neighbor.

>>732358341
> Waiting for an entire city's worth of zombies (the second largest human city in the kingdom, if not the entire world given the state of the other human kingdoms after the wars) to turn would create an unmanageable situation. It would be pants on head retarded to try to wrangle that when you could avoid it by culling civilians who are functionally already dead due to incurable and undetectable disease just so you can give yourself a pat on the back for allowing things to get worse.
Maybe, but the fact that he indiscriminately killed everyone means he’s evil. He didn’t attempt to find another solution. He ignored warnings and spurned his friends and allies.

>>732359516
>A quarantine would leave them inside to be ripped apart by zombies
Why would you just quarantine and leave them inside? Arthas goes in, he distributes the holy water to the citizenry while using his men to help control the situation and defend people from those that have already began to turn, bing bang boom you have like, 60-70% of Stratholme saved and continued access to the greatest source of holy water in Lordaeron instead of slaughtering everyone and leaving things to rot.

>>732358391
>>732358448
Wait why did the undead after being destroyed get sent to a different part of the shadowlands to the ones that died alive?

>>732335841
She recently aged her up into a chubbie adult panda, I am not joking.

>>732337026
That is categorically untrue, your potential is your responsibility.
Inaction is weakness and not trying to overcome weakness is morally wrong.

>>732347743
Iridikron is neat, but nothing will compare to Arthas and Illidan.
I can't believe their fight in WC3 didn't get a true cinematic yet, and instead was given an awful one in reforged.

Just stupid

>>732329882
Achievable natty?

>>732330362
have you tried being black?

>>732329868
neither has the strength to be a monarch, that's why Arthas was prince.

>>732360049
>>732358448
>>732358391
>why did the undead after being destroyed get sent to a different part of the shadowlands to the ones that died alive?
I think this piece of lore is a casualty of rewrites with the Shadowlands, the Maw is just for bad people.
The Undead always go to super hell is based on a Sylvanas story where she, now with nu lore, was manipulated by the Jailor to see those visions.

>>732360495
Arthas may have made mistakes after going to Northrend, but he was willing to trade his own soul with zero hesitation to a magic devil sword for the explicit purpose of saving his people.
That's true self-sacrifice and nobility. Lordaeron was lucky to have a prince like Arthas. Shame it didn't work out but that's the essence of tragedy.

>>732360758
His only mistake was underestimating Frostmourne

>>732360758
>for the explicit purpose of saving his people.
what, he wanted revenge and he was willing to kill his own soldiers to get revenge

>>732329882
trooned out?

>>732359952
>Arthas goes in, he distributes the holy water to the citizenry while using his men to help control the situation
2nd most populated city in the entire kingdom. Arthas didn't have that many soldiers after defending Hearthglen.

Demonic aliens unleash a plague to turn people into zombies with their souls being destroyed in the process and somehow killing them before it can happen is the problem

Entirety of Arthas's downfall could of been prevented if Uther waited a couple of minutes to see everyone turn into undead

>>732360914
He didn't kill his own soldiers.

>>732360914
When he makes the deal with Frostmourne, he explicitly says
>I will give anything or pay any price, if only you will help me save my people.
He could have asked the sword to give him the strength to skullfuck Mal'Ganis, but he doesn't. In the most important moment of Arthas's life (and the biggest mistake), his heart is with his people.

>>732361204
Yep. Uther is quite literally retarded.

>>732361032
He had enough to kill them all, so he had enough to at least save some, you big ol' silly billy. Literal crates of holy water errywhere too.

>>732361551
It's far easier to kill zombies/people than trying to keep panicking people from running away from zombies.

>>732361204
the entire situation is a massive breakdown in communication. arthas fails to express that the people cannot be saved, even the healthy are infected, and it will lead to a massive outbreak that is sure to bring ruin to the entire region. uther and jaina don't bother to ask, "wait arthas why?"

>>732329820
if everyone is undead, they're united as undead.

>>732361862
This. Arthas was right because he won in the end.

>>732361676
So the argument is that Arthas took the easy, coward's way out instead of actually trying to save anyone. Seems about right.

>>732330085
first playing wc3 and then playing wow

>>732361928
The other option isn't more difficult or bothersome, it's impossible. We're explaining to you that quarantine and controlling such a population with the soldiers that he had with him wouldn't have been an option.

Why couldn't they have jailed the peasants and then filtered out those who weren't turning undead, while Jaina ran nonstop experiments on curing them? Zombies can't just break iron bars magically.

>>732362304
>Why couldn't they have jailed the peasants
As said twenty times in the thread already, Stratholme was the 2nd most populated city in the entire kingdom, potentially in the entirely of the Azeroth.

>>732362045
>The other option isn't more difficult or bothersome, it's impossible
Sounds like excuses to me, especially since
>the soldiers that he had with him
Gee, sure sounds like someone shouldn't have been so quick to dismiss all the extra people who are also capable of wielding the holy light and keep the Undead at bay, all because he wanted to murder townies and refused to even entertain the possibility of another solution.

>>732362503
Are you under the impression that Uther had ten thousand Paladins with him?

>>732362045
>controlling such a population
arthas didn't even need to control the entire population
the problem is that he didn't try to save ANYONE

>>732362586
Try to save how? When? They have no time and have to act quickly or they'll be overwhelmed if too many people turn Undead, and there's also Dreadlord in the city.

>>732347253
>Tyrande
Tyrande is top tier before WoW's and how terrible her character was developed.

Enough about the responsibilities of some shitty nobles. Why didn't the "2nd most populous city" fucking revolt and save themselves from murder?

>>732361756
Meh, they understood why it was happening but they didn't go along with it simply because it's such an insane action to take.
>Uther, kill every single living thing in this city before it can die
Imagine hearing this after spending the last week or so doing nothing but killing the undead thinking that alone would stop it. They were simply not willing to consider the judgement so quickly because it's so out of left field. Nobody IRL would take that kind of choice either until they're absolutely sure they're clear of consequences, because it's political suicide. Difference is that Arthas was thinking he was the only one who had the will to save the kingdom.

>>732332256
as far as warcraft 3 goes it's easily Maiev

>>732362772
They had zombies and a Dreadlord murdering them from the other direction.

>>732362740
>try to save how?
holy water for the infected before they turn
paladins to protect the uninfected from those that turned
there's literally crates of holy water all over the place
>when
in the time it took arthas' band to slaughter people
you know what's faster than taking the time to go house by house killing people?
sending a crier on horse to alert people to drink the holy water
>b-but that wouldn't save everyone!!!!
>a-and the undead might have time to muster!!!
excuses.
better to save a portion of the population, like said here >>732359952 than to kill everyone
arthas was a retard and a coward that couldnt rise to the challeng

>>732363143
You have no idea how ridiculously difficult it would be to try to control a panicking population of that size. Your post would maybe make sense if Uther had a thousand Paladins with him.

>>732363303
>of that size
illiterate bitch
already said it: you don't have to save everyone
you have to try to save anyone, and arthas didn't do that
he wanted blood

>>732329820
Kirin tor were useless fucking faggots and should have been the first to research the plague, root it out and put anti undead wards everywhere. Instead they didn’t do shit. Useless fucking morons, archimonde making an example of them was poetic

>>732365331
When the plague first started, they dispatched Jaina to investigate. After her investigation, they implement all the new undead wards and shit that Arthas has to deal with. What more could they have done? It's not like they could have preempted the plague, it came out of nowhere.

>>732329820
I want this he looks awesome

>>732337312
>knowing his place
Wasn't his place above uther's?

>>732362772
>Why didn't the "2nd most populous city" fucking revolt and save themselves from murder?

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

Turns out people are consummate cowards.

>>732329820
This happened to my fat aunt after her c-section

>>732366042
Not in the paladin order

>>732347695
The book was fine until it ended with:
>Play world of warcraft to see how the story ends
That's when I got angry at it.

>>732360495
Arthas was prince because his daddy was king.
Thats it.
Both the other 2 are weak cucks which is why they already have a position under said king.

>>732366307
Ok but in actuality he kind of was. Uther let his status get to his head. Uther was the one who mistook his place.

>>732366792
Yeah bro, I'm sure the crown prince would have been taught nothing about running a kingdom from his father who is doing it as he grows up.

Reminder that everything that went wrong was Medivh's fault.

>>732329820
Ah, fresh meat.

>>732332256
Maiev

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>>732370391
She didn't get to marry Illidan...

>>732362827
>Nobody IRL would take that kind of choice either until they're absolutely sure they're clear of consequences, because it's political suicide
yeah irl they just sell them a fake cure that kills them instead

>>732366070
>people are consummate cowards.
the same reason why european countries are being conquered mostly non-violently by immigrants, people lack the balls to stop it

>>732337026
"If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice"

whens tbc happening?