Build variety is betterPvP is (sort of) betterLevel design is INFINITELY betterDS3 is rushed as shit and it's for newfagsAlso the opening to 3 is forgettableAnd yes, the expansions for 2 were good
>>732468847>And yes, the expansions for 2 were goodi think even the people who dont like ds2 agree that its dlcs are outstanding
>>732468878I beat the main boss but I don't know how to access the dlc or giants memories
>>732468847nah
>>732468847code vein is unironically a better game
>>732469027shit is better than poop huh>food analogy
>>732468847Elden Ring > Dark Souls 2 > Dark Souls 3 >Dark Souls 1 > Demon Souls > Bloodbourne
>>732469158retard
>>732468847>Level design is INFINITELY betterAnd I stopped reading. DaS2trannies don't even know what level design means.
>>732469179Bloodbourne is the worst in the aeries and faggots defending that 30 fps piece of ahit should cut their nutsack off
>>732468847>PvP is (sort of) betterkill youselfDS2 mogs 3 so hard it's unrealnever forget straight sword R1 spam, big weapons doing no fucking damage whatsoever and borderline infinite stamina
another 300+ post thread where over half of it is one dedicated retard replying to everyone for attention>"schizo">"webm schizo">"vague posting"here we go
>>732468847it's ugly, the combat is worse, i don't like the bosses, the areas are lame, the npcs are mostly lame. it's bargain bin dark souls but i still like it
>>732469357Well don’t tell on yourself now
>>732468847>Build variety is betterin what way? DS3 has a ton of build options, most weapons can be dedicated into just like DS2. i'd say they're at least equal in that respect and this claim is just arbitrary>PvP is (sort of) betternot really. not even sort-of. ds2's floaty treadmill movement and developed meta (unlocked circling around and fishing for running pokes) fucking blows>Level design is INFINITELY betterseverely disagree, ds2's layouts are nonsensical. they tried to make 'interesting and layered environments' and completely forgot to make them logically coherent>DS3 is rushed as shit and it's for newfags>Also the opening to 3 is forgettablesubjective nonsense>And yes, the expansions for 2 were goodrelative to the base game? sure
>Play DAS2 for the first time>Most areas are okay except for No Man's Wharf, which is a stand out in design for me (Shulva is my favorite but it's DLC so I don't count it)>Find out later that the bridge shortcut was added to ScholarThis game SUCKS
I love it. It’s also better than one. The interconnected “I can see my sous down there” is just a gimmick, technically impressive but no substance. The way 2 plays with space as nonsensical is far more interesting.
Dark Souls 2 is shit and Dark Souls 3 is boring. It's that simple.They shouldn't even exist. Miyazaki doesn't like making direct sequels and they forced him to come back with 3 just to close this shit once and for all.
>>732469061Imagine being at computers
>>732469895>hey forced him to come back with 3well, more specifically, Isamu Okano was the original developer for ds3 but he had no idea what he was doing so Miyazaki came in to pick up the pieces and glue them together - which is why there's such a weird mix of incoherence and straightforwardness with the way it's hastily stapled togetherfromsoft games are always cursed with stupid developer-related bullshit behind the curtains
>>732468847it's the best of all 3. Perhaps the best soulsborne. I mean it too.I'm torn between this an bloodborne being the best
DS3 sisters...I thought we were superior...
DS2 is better than Sekiro
Spent my most important years defending a mediocre b-team sequel online out of contrarianism for over 11 years award
>>732469221Do you? Dark souls 2 level design isnt even bad, its the world design people shit on because of the way the different levels are connected.
>>732470285DS2’s player numbers are always lower than both DS1 and 3 because the average DS2 fan doesn’t play the game and instead watches YouTube videos about how it’s actually good and the other games are bad.
>>732469574>>Build variety is betteri>n what way?well you have dual wielding in dark souls 2 and different weapons can even have secret dual wield movesets like an axe in mainhand with unique scimitar in offhand might have its own unique moveset.
>>732468847Based fast fluid reactive combat that makes you feel an adventurer chad.I can’t wait to spam my 7 yottabyte cherry-picked webm folder while deflecting to DS3 for the ten hundredth time! Being a subhuman incel who wasted his life defending a video game no one likes is so much fun!
>>732470746>>732470562you sure seem mad.
>>732470647the average ds2 level is a 4 poly square hallway fuck off
>>732470285Nightreign is the only one with a correct score, 96 for Elden Ring really
>>732470285even the metacritic troll is here tooi love journalists now!
>>732468847I find 3's gameplay more fun so 3's a better game to me
>>732470782there is such a thing as overfishing the waters, anonat least give it time before you post yet another contrarian attention-whoring thread
>>732469158In terms of something like 'pure gameplay' this is actually a quite fair ranking, even if it isn't taking into account the total quality of the games.
>DS3 IS LE BAD BECUASE MUH LINEARITY>entire second half of DS2 is also a straight line (castle > shrine > crypt > backtrack to aldias > dragon shrine > backtrack to giant memories > backtrack to castle) but it’s not le bad because precious good boy ds2 can do no wrong
>>732468847A white tear ran down my tigh
>>732471109you got trolled idiotno one actually likes ds2, as if its not fucking obvious from playing it
>>732468847>Better than 3Not it's not it's fuckinng broken with retarded hitbox enemies with shitty placements
I will say 2 was the last time we had grounded combat with focus on timing and stamina management. In 3 they started adding anime bullshit like flippy attacks and magic bull. It culminated in Elden Ring where a weapons weapon art is the biggest factor in whether to use it or not and the feeling of just being a guy fighting gods by stabbing them in the dick is lost.
>>732470647Retarded faggot.
>>732471423Ok chud that’s cool and all but what about the four circular platforms with a dozen enemies.Once again DS2 mogs hallway souls 3
>>732471109DS3 is le bad because it simps hard for DS1 while being a cheap Bloodborne ripoff.Both DS1 and DS2 are standalone masterpieces. DS3 is a fanservice.
>>732471875This, DS2 is a kino standalone game with based original ideas like fighting ornstein and the gargoyles again, fighting reincarnations of the main lore characters from ds1, having some bitches be reincarnations of manus, and having the main evil force in a dlc be the bed of chaos.
>>732471653Yep, retarded faggot confirmed.
>>732472905How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>>732468847>Build variety is better Wrong>PvP is (sort of) better Wrong>Level design is INFINITELY better Wrong>DS3 is rushed as shit and it's for newfags Wrong>Also the opening to 3 is forgettable Wrong>And yes, the expansions for 2 were goodWrong>>732468878I hate Dark Souls 2 and I think the DLCs for it are total dogshit with boring levels, bad art direction and casual bosses, possibly the only DLC that didn'tmeaningfully expand or inprove boss design, worst dragon of any dlc too
ALL of their games are rushed as shit.Bloodborne being their most rushed and underdone game. They couldn’t even be bothered finishing the wizarding school—Byrgenwerth. This is probably why there wasn’t an actual casting system.
>>732468878No, Dark Souls 2 dlcs are terrible>>732468847Mald
>>732474574They keep doing the bare minimum and got away with it since gamers and urnalists suck them off for no reason. I hope their future games flop since this practice is no longer tolerated.
>>732474574Miyazaki never should have allowed any sort of caster system in any of his games desu
>>732474574>ByrgenwerthFunny how they made the interior (which they don’t bother clarifying as its interior, simply labeling it ‘lecture hall’) LARGER than the exterior, and they panicked or something, throwing it into its own damn nightmare dimension. This is why all the Byrgenwerth slime scholars aren’t even at Byrgenwerth. The ‘lecture hall’ WAS originally meant to be a part of Byrgenwerth. The fuck. There’s even an unused hatch on the floor. Were they trying to put it underground before they decided to just shove it into a nightmare zone?
>>732474574I used to think Arcane magic was more so item/artifact based dabbling to set it apart from the more recognized Faith or Intelligence spells that come across as more so formalized. I was expecting it to be the magic item/artifact stat in Elden Ring when the game came out, not some weird awkward statistic that they clearly didn’t know what to do with. It makes no sense in lore, too. ALL magic is “arcane” by definition, in essence.
>>732474989>I was expecting it to be the magic item/artifact stat in Elden Ring when the game came out, not some weird awkward statistic that they clearly didn’t know what to do with.You are a total retard
>>732475110Except I’m not wrong. You are the total retard, here. The glintstone finger sorceries were also originally envisioned as a mixture of Arc+Int. They scrapped that and just threw Arc into Ymir’s stick. Not even Metyr’s own stick has an Arc requirement.
>>732475110That’s what it was in Bloodborne, dum dum; Bloodborne was all about poking at shit you just shouldn’t; sort of like how glintstone is something you shouldn’t go poking at
>>732474859>>732474574wtfi've replayed bloodborne a dozen times and i never realized the 'lecture hall' was supposed to be a part of byrgenwerth
>>732475198>The glintstone finger sorceries were also originally envisioned as a mixture of Arc+Int. No they weren't>They scrapped that and just threw Arc into Ymir’s stick.Arcane represents transmutaation and lacks of divine essence, the staff is made of pseudo fingers in imitation of the real ones
>>732475293The more you research the more you realize that these games could have been 100% better had they been given a lot more time to work on them; it’s to the point where I can’t be sure if it’s Miyazaki’s own creative process or him being hampered by deadlines; both?
>>732475293It wasn't, he is lying.
>>732475323>No they weren'tYes. They were. It also visually points to it, since Fleeting Microcosm is a bubble spell. Bubble spells are associated with the arcane. >Arcane represents transmutaation and lacks of divine essence, the staff is made of pseudo fingers in imitation of the real onesWrong. That would mean glintstone and other forms of transformative magic should require arcane. They don’t. The most “arcane” magic in the setting does not actually make use of the Arcane stat.
>>732474859>>732474574>>732475293>>732475359There's no such thing as any "Lecture Hall" in Bloodborne
>>732475362The slime scholars wear the Byrgenwerth uniforms, and you see one of Willem’s rocking chairs in his office.Why are you intentionally arguing for the sake of arguing? Are you a daft cunt or something? Underage? Indian? A troll?
>>732475435There is. Lecture Building is literally a hall. Why are you being a fucking cunt? Do you have a tiny wenis? Are you upset about your state in life? Poor baby.
>>732475323The overwhelming majority of magic in the world of ER is shown to royally fuck up the body in various ways. Nature is a competing cancer and even the plants are changing to suit the influence of the outer gods / forces of nature.
>>732475435This dude has 0 insight lmao
I love how so many are quickly realizing that Miyazaki is a high quality hack who wings literally everything. He doesn’t give a single fuck. That is the beating heart of art and creativity, some would say; this act of leaving the deeper searching to the people who obsess over this shit. It starts religion.
>>732475424>Yes. They were.No they weren't>Fleeting Microcosm is a bubble spell.No it's not. Bubble sorceries are an imitation of the Microcosm from creatures that can't conjure them. This is why "The claymen search for lost oracles within their bubbles." The Oracles are the Fingers, their ability to contact the Greater Will>Wrong. That would mean glintstone and other forms of transformative magic should require arcane.No you massive retard, you are still not understanding shit. Arcane is tied to all the Outer Gods, imitations of divinity that defy the general system of runic power and instead spread the influence in different ways.The requirement of spells has also nothing to do with it, because Faith and Intelligence relate to understanding or belief into an entity from which powers are beckoned. Arcane implies direct communion and transmutation
>>732475483>>732475604>>732475453If you can't be bothered to even get the most basic terminology and names right, why would anyone take what you say seriously?
>>732475698>No they weren'tYes they were. Not reading any more of your post since you’re clearly a troll. You will also deny that Miyazaki reuses items he never managed to incorporate into the base game. He does. Malenia and Miquella’s signature weapon became the weapon of the Hornsent. He’s a hack, anon.
>>732475698>Arcane is tied to all the Outer GodsNope. There are forms of magic that take up Arcane that don’t make use of the Outer Gods, lol. The magic most taken from Bloodborne doesn’t even USE the Arcane stat.Listen. You’re just mad because you got called out. You don’t know this game as well as you think you do. I’m sorry.
>>732475807>Nope. There are forms of magic that take up Arcane that don’t make use of the Outer Gods, lol.Wrong btw
>>732471109nobody said it's a bad game my dear splitscreen enjoyer, it only ranks below DS2, that's all.
>>732468878I don't have any idea how anyone can think Shulva is good level design at all. Actually I think I like the base game of 2 more than the DLC levels far far more. Loyce > > > > > > > > Brume Tower > > > > > > literal shit > > > > > Blighttown > > > > Shulva
>>7324756981. Frenzied Flame (the Frenzy is straight from Bloodborne btw) doesn’t use Arcane.2. Glintstone (literally the Color out of Space) doesn’t use Arcane. It’s up there with the Frenzied flame as the most not!Lovecreft form of magic; echoing the parasitic phantasms/invertebrates from Bloodborne, except in silicon form. 3. Bubble sorceries use Arcane but are associated with oracles. Not outer gods. 4. Eating dragon hearts uses Arcane but is associated with a cult started by Placidusax. Not an outer god.5. The (yellow) Color out of Space doesn’t use Arcane.
>>732475887Whats your issue with Shulva?
DS2 is my least favorite game and I think the DLC levels are better than the base game and Shulva's mechanisms, gimmick enemies and verticality are great.Maybe DS2 fans just enjoy tiny linear levels.
>>732475740Because it’s funny seeing hard heads like yourself struggle so awfully due to being so autistic, lmao.
>>732475771>Yes they were.No they weren't. The game is very clear has to what requires Faith, what required Intelligence and what requires Arcane.You need Arcane to draw direct power from the ancient dead when you wield a weapon made of their bones, you need Intelligence to use weapons imbued with the power of Death Rites, because they are sorcery rituals, but you need both Intelligence and also Faith to actually beckon that power into spells be ause Death Rite Birds are a cult.The fact that you still think there's a single stat representing a single element in the first place shows how fucking retarded you are and how little you know of the actual game.>Uhhhhh you are le troll and Michael zaki bad and le hackOk retard lol
>>732476069>No they weren't. The game is very clear has to what requires Faith, what required Intelligence and what requires Arcane.Nobody tell him. Nobody tell him that Miyazaki isn’t a very clear game designer. Nobody tell him that sometimes Miyazaki just throws in labels even when they don’t suffice. Nobody tell him that even Sorceries are uttered or incantated, making them Incantations themselves.You lose.
>>732476069Dude. Stop defending lazy naming. You can literally describe all magic as “arcane”. They should have made Arcane a more generalized multipurpose stat, not something that doesn’t mesh with the lore *at all*. The full moons are described as occult. They are arcane. They are likened to outer gods by some. Although it’s not at all confirmed.
>>732476069>The fact that you still think there's a single stat representing a single element in the first place shows how fucking retarded you are and how little you know of the actual game.Nobody tell him that Intelligence and Faith are two sides of the same coin in the lore of these games. Nobody tell him that incantations are cast using intelligence, and sorceries are cast using faith, in this game.
>>732476024>1. Frenzied Flame (the Frenzy is straight from Bloodborne btw) doesn’t use Arcane. Not an Outer God, direct descendancy from the Greater Will and Three Fingers>2. Glintstone (literally the Color out of Space) doesn’t use Arcane. It’s up there with the Frenzied flame as the most not!Lovecreft form of magic; echoing the parasitic phantasms/invertebrates from Bloodborne, except in silicon form. Not an Outer God, the Stars are made by the Greater Will>3. Bubble sorceries use Arcane but are associated with oracles. Not outer gods. Wrong, it's man-made beings imitating the Fingers to reach unto divinity>4. Eating dragon hearts uses Arcane but is associated with a cult started by Placidusax. Not an outer god. Wrong, it's communion with the consumed Horned Dragons, causing transmutations. But you are right they are a cult, which is why spells require both Faith AND Arcane, despite weapons requiring Arcane only>5. The (yellow) Color out of Space doesn’t use ArcaneThe fuck you talking about?
>>732476069>You need Arcane to draw direct power from the ancient dead when you wield a weapon made of their bonesA moment ago you said they draw upon the outer gods tho
>>732476108>Sorceries>Incantations何いってんだお前、魔術と祈祷ってことか
>trying to lore-ify the concepts of 'int' and 'faith' as meta-psychological propertiesanons, i don't think even the developers went as far as to ask 'why' on these
>>732476069Kek you made the Shart Souls 2 bots mald
>>732476108>Nobody tell him that Miyazaki isn’t a very clear game designer.>Nobody tell him that sometimes Miyazaki just throws in labels even when they don’t suffice.NTA but I'll bite, name one RPG where you dont have spells (including holy spells, physical "abilities" and so on) that dont match their category in the sense that an "ice" spell does physical instead of cold damage.
>>732469662>the bridge shortcut was added to Scholaryou're joking
>>732476257>people arguing ER lore>DS2 bots madAnon, you are obsessed
>>732476220Outer Gods are divine beings created through any system outside of accumulating runes. The Putrescents are piled bodies of melded human bones that didn't receive any Death Rites
>>732476327>Gets called out >Instantly outs himselfVerificatio not required
>>732476278>name one RPG where you dont have spells (including holy spells, physical "abilities" and so on) that dont match their category in the sense that an "ice" spell does physical instead of cold damage.Special Operations Unit - SIGNAL FORCES
>>732476213>Not an Outer God, direct descendancy from the Greater Will and Three Fingers>Not an Outer God, the Stars are made by the Greater WillWrong. It’s the fractured life (glintstone) and pull (physics, laws of regression and causality, etc) of the One Great(er) Will. This is explicit. It’s a lot bigger than any individual outer god or force or nature. It’s existence and life as it is. It led to the outer gods in fact. We can only guess what Lusat’s eye brain really belongs to. Glintstone leads to malformed life like Astel, which is based on the Great Ones from Bloodborne. Literal godlike aliens that can destroy civilizations.>Wrong, it's man-made beings imitating the Fingers to reach unto divinityFinger sorceries and Finger incantations don’t use Arcane sorry. >Wrong, its communion with the consumed Horned Dragons, causing transmutations. But you are right they are a cult, which is why spells require both Faith AND Arcane, despite weapons requiring Arcane onlyWhere’s the outer god? You know there’s another dragon cult that doesn’t use Arc right? Keep eating your argument alive, buddy.>The fuck you talking about?Cute. You’re playing dumb now. I win. You are inferior in every way to me.
>>732476357>Outer Gods are divine beings created through any system outside of accumulating runesNah. It’s just nature. Runes are alien to the world, by the way. The natural state or color of life is blue, not yellow. >The Putrescents are piled bodies of melded human bones that didn't receive any Death RitesNah. It’s actually rotted silver tear life. It even uses similar words. Putrescent sorcery is the burning of false life.
>>732476278He’s talking of statistics in relation to the elements, you total fucking Indian. In these games you can use various elements using Faith or Intelligence. You can outright cast sorceries using faith in the very first Souls game, and vice versa.Just HOW fucking new to these games are you people?
>>732476325Nope and I wish I was. That shortcut easily made it into the best area, as unlike most Dark Souls 2 loving shitters, I didn't know about unlimited life gems and just played with the estus I had, which made No Man's Wharf super tense until that sudden downpouring of relief when I found that shortcut back to the bonfire.
I still don't get the difference between the Abyss and the Deep.
>>732468847>DS2 Level design is INFINITELY betterSolid bait ya got me bro
>>732476213Actually. Cults don’t necessarily require Faith. Raya Lucaria is effectively a mystery cult/school, and the Archives in DS3 is basically a cult of reason. You can absolutely place faith in reason. Science is itself quite dogmatic and places faith in the empirical truth.
>>732476230The fans go way deeper on this shit than Miyazaki ever did
The Putrescent Knight can’t use its back legs just like the Albinaurics and other forms of artificially made false life. Hm. It is clear that Putrescence is what happens to Silver Tears that aren’t properly cremated.
>underboobs in heavy armoryep this game doesn't make any sense
Imagine if they made Azur and Lusat’s armor incredibly tanky but also impossibly heavy. Literal immobile nuke mage. Just stand there and cast.
>>732476418>RPGmaker porn gameSo the issue with ER lore is that there isnt enough coomer content?>>732476410I dont get it, memazaki didnt even write/direct 2, thats one of the points that gets brought up against the game.Why would DS2 fans be obsessed with him and not the fans of litterally any other game in the series? I'll stop responding to bait now though.
>>732476423Yeah not reading that nonsense bro>Finger sorceries and Finger incantations don’t use Arcane sorry. Yeah why the fuck would they, considering they are children of the Greater WillRetard
>>732476069>The fact that you still think there's a single stat representing a single element in the first place shows how fucking retarded you are and how little you know of the actual game. Elden Ring is in general a massive IQ filter
>>732476539>You can outright cast sorceries using faith in the very first Souls gameNo you cant. Also its a plot point for DS1/2/3 that all magic is faith based, in that you either believe "math" to cast INT based spells or you belive stories about gods to cast miracles. >>732476565There isnt one, Abyss has a bad rep so the church rebranded to the deep instead
>>732477032>Yeah why the fuck would they, considering they are children of the Greater WillSo just like the outer gods? The One Great(er) Will is their version of the Big Bang. One Great Big Bang.
>>732476487>Nah. It’s just nature. Runes are alien to the worldWrong>The natural state or color of life is blueYou seem to have this nonsensical, retarded concept that Stars and Greater Will are somehow opposed, when they are the same, and the Erdteee is itself a Star>Nah. It’s actually rotted silver tear life.Wrong, it's human bones and it says so.
>>732469970I'm at the computers
>>732477064>No you cantYes, you can? Gwyndolin’s catalyst and Velka’s talisman. This implies that the gods could cast magic interchangeably. Seath created the snake men, meaning he cracked how to use lightning magic.
>>732477120>Runes are alien to the world>>Wrongwat? the entire runic samsara inflicted on the Lands Between is from outsider meddling, it's literally gnostic entities (aliens) injecting their own 'reality code' into a reality planethat's as alien as it gets my dude
>>732477119>So just like the outer gods?WrongOuter Gods spread their influence (blessings) and gain divinity without accumulation of runes, and have their own Goddesses and LordsPlay the game
>>732477165>Gwyndolin’s catalyst and Velka’s talisman.You still need to meet the INT requirement to use the spell, its one of the major factors that makes those talismans bad outside of roleolaying builds.
>>732477190>Le aliensHeadcanon manufactured nonsenseThe Greater Will created everything and is not alien to anything.The Outer Gods merely exist outside the fundamental laws of light and dark
>>732477120>WrongHe literally isn’t wrong. Metyr predates the Ring. Yellow stars are their own thing. You can’t just assume they will land and steer evolution into a suitable direction for the purpose of sustaining what is essentially a cosmic parasite/amoeba.Are you just now realizing that the Elden Beast is literally just Lavos? It lands and steers evolution/civilization for its own benefit. It did so with the ancient dragons, and the beastmen, which is why the ancient dragons developed arms and it’s why the beastmen developed thumbs. Civilization. Now they’re slowly going back to animalistic primalcy in the absence of the Ring to reinforce their genetics. Similar to how the trolls are essentially shrunken fire giants who tore out their patron’s faces from their chests. They’re also degenerating.Evolution and civilization require patronage in this setting.
>>732468847Sekiro>DS3>BB>DS1>>>ER>>>>>>DS2
>>732477242>Headcanon manufactured nonsensebro
>shart Souls 2 wanking thread turns into Elden Peak lore threadBased
>Played this game a dozen times to completion>Feel the urge to play again>Do a SL1 run because why not>Use the Foot Soldier Sword and Mace, but want the Strength Ring and Dexterity Ring from Brume Tower for more weapon options>Get to Iron Keep>Suddenly start fucking folding to the massive amount of Alonne Knights here>Can't fucking progress>Start despawning them because of the amount of times I've killed them>Finally get through and start fighting Smelter>I've fought this guy a dozen times here in DS2 and n-th times in Nightreign, I know his moves by heart>Die because shit Adaptability means my hitbox came back too soon>And again>And again>Finally, a day later, kill himI hate this place so god damn much
>>732477120>You seem to have this nonsensical, retarded concept that Stars and Greater Will are somehow opposed, when they are the same, and the Erdteee is itself a StarNope. Now you’re assuming things because you’re losing this argument.Yes, the Elden Ring/Beast is a star. But guess what the Ancestral Spirit tells us?— Ancestral spirits exist as a phenomenon beyond the purview of the Erdtree. Life sprouts from death, as it does from birth. Such is the way of the living.“Such is the way of the living”. The Erdtree through the Ring hijacked the natural course or state of life. This is explicit with the advent of Metyr.There’s barely any yellow on Astel. It’s irrelevant whether which of what stars are opposed when they’re just stars/life.
>>732477201You didn’t play the game. The Frenzied quests tells us it all began with the One Great. Outer Gods are just fractured parts of the greater whole.
>>732477242Do you even know what the word “alien” means lol?Sometimes I forget that this board is mostly underaged teen boys with greasy faces staying up all night acting like they’re smarter than the people who actually played the game they merely pretend they played.
>>732477346>Finally get through and start fighting SmelterBut why? Smelter is an optional fight
>>732477317He is literally retarded anon. He’s only arguing because I called him retarded and he got upset. It’s very easy to bait idiots. You just have to use mean words.
>>732477447yeah i guess. whateverbed time
>>732477120The Erdtree is the growth the Elden Ring allows for. If it wasn’t a great tree for Marika, it would have been a great spiral for the Hornsent. We don’t know what form it took for the ancient dragons.
>>732477268What the fuck is all this nonsense>Metyr predates the RingA lot of things predate the Elden Ring. The Elden Ring faded and was reformed a lot of times>Read my nonsensical headcanon I made up from random shit anywhere in gameYeah no>Elden Beast steersThe Elden Beast is a non entity completely under control of the owner of the Elden Ring>It did so with the ancient dragons, and the beastmen, which is why the ancient dragons developed arms and it’s why the beastmen developed thumbs.No, the Beastmen gained intelligence from communion with their Dragonlord Placidusax, the 5 Fingers represented by the 5 heads of the Lord himself. When Farum Azula fell to the Eclipse and their Order was broken the Beastmen lost their intelligence. This is why the Bestial Sanctum, where the Cinquedea is, is in Dragonbarrow. That has nothing to do with evolution.Man I'm tired of you sub-80 IQ retards that are too lazy to even read some descriptions and too dumb to contextualize anything thinking you discovered the meaning of Elden Ring because you read the fucking Kama Sutra or whatever
>>732477417Because he guards the sole Pursuer encounter there, who drops the Ring of Blades+1, and also guards a bonfire that I very much wanted because FUCK doing the runback from the start of the castle yet again.
>>732477236>You still need to meet the INT requirement to use the spellDoesn’t matter. You can still cast them interchangeably. This is also gotten across in Dark Souls 3 with the Deacons using faith based sorceries. >its one of the major factors that makes those talismans bad outside of roleolaying buildsLMAO no a dual Int + Faith caster is extremely broken. You only need enough Faith to get Wrath of the Gods and then you scale it with Intelligence. Plop a good Tranquil Walk of Peace and spam Dark Bead in their face. Easy mode. I’ve been blacklisted just for this back on my Xbox 360 days. “You’re cancer”. Magic in the first Souls is so fucking broken. You can one shot bosses just using Dark Bead.
>>732477502>it would have been a great spiral for the Hornsent.No it wouldn't because the Hornsent had no tree and would not have one.>We don’t know what form it took for the ancient dragons.Yes we do, it's in the fucking DLC, you dumb retard
>>732477621>The Elden Ring faded and was reformed a lot of timesThe alchemy angle doesn’t mean it literally goes away, sorry. It just gets reforged. Changes shape. The Ring is still however the Ring. Placidusax had the Ring. It looked different.
>>732477651>No it wouldn't because the Hornsent had no tree and would not have oneTheir spiral was their city you huge fucking retard. It doesn’t have to be a tree. >Yes we do, it's in the fucking DLC, you dumb retardNope. Sorry. Afraid not.
>>732477621>The Elden Beast is a non entity completely under control of the owner of the Elden RingRadagon is being controlled by the Beast you idiot. He turns him inside out and uses him as a sword. Marika was trying to find a way to kill the Beast. She was shackled to it.>No, the Beastmen gained intelligence from communion with their Dragonlord Placidusax, the 5 Fingers represented by the 5 heads of the Lord himself.Nope. He represented five fingers with his five heads, which was representing the influence of the Fingers, which is what allows people like Haight to even communicate with lesser lifetimes like the Demihumans. The fingers can bestow intelligence. They can also take it away, like they did for Blaidd. Play. The. Game.
>>732477621>The Elden Beast is a non entity completely under control of the owner of the Elden RingBased on Elden Ring lore, the assertion that the Elden Beast is a "non-entity completely under control of the owner of the Elden Ring" is not entirely accurate and contradicts in-game descriptions. Here is the breakdown of the Elden Beast's nature based on the lore: *- Vassal, Not Subject: The Elden Beast is defined as the "vassal beast of the Greater Will" and the "living incarnation of the concept of Order". It was sent by the Greater Will to the Lands Between to become the Elden Ring. *- Relationship to the Vessel: Queen Marika (or Radagon) serves as the vessel or container of the Elden Ring, not its master. The Elden Beast exists within the vessel and, rather than being under their control, acts as a guardian and enforcer of the Order mandated by the Greater Will. *- Autonomous Agent: The Elden Beast is a sentient, intelligent being that acts on behalf of the Greater Will, often punishing Marika when she breaks the Order. It is more accurate to describe it as the power source that controls the vessel, rather than a mindless entity controlled by them. *- The Final Fight: When the vessel (Radagon) is defeated, the Elden Beast emerges, implying it was keeping the vessel functional rather than being totally suppressed by it.In summary, the Elden Beast is the vassal of the Greater Will, which uses the vessel (Marika/Radagon) to enforce its rules on the world, not the other way around.
>>732477764you should just regurgitate AI/wiki answers on people that are too retarded or bad-faith to do it for themselves, to be quite honest with younever meet obtuseness with sincerity or you waste the time of both parties
>>732477621>That has nothing to do with evolutionLol.Pretty much everything in the game is a fantastical rendition of real world stuff. The dragon culture was the dinosaur age, the crucible knights are all named after periods like the Ordivician and Silurian eras. The primeval current is the milky way spiral arms. The erdtree era was the Greek Halcyon days, the GO and GO fundamentalism are the Roman empire splitting into Holy See. If you have a general historical knowledge base you can see the references straight up.It’s also pretty clear in the text that the beastmen are devolving from their former evolution. — The design celebrates a beast's five fingers, symbolic of the intelligence once granted upon their kind.— Having gained intelligence, the beasts must have felt how their wildness slipped away as civilization took hold.
>>732477912Yeah you’re right. This level of brick wall stubbornness is also kind of creepy. People like this actually exist. “Nope. Kevin Bacon wasn’t in Footloose.”“What are you talking about of course h-““Nope he wasn’t in Footloose. You lose.”
>>732477674>The alchemy angle doesn’t mean it literally goes awayYes it does, you subhumanNow only Farum Azula had his own Ring, but Miquella's circlet is another one, fading>>732477717>Their spiral was their city you huge fucking retardNo it wasn't. The Hornsent didn't build Enir-Ilim. They created a settlement around it. The fact that you can't even understand how it is stratified shows how retarded are you>NopeYes. The Crossed Tree, which then became the Scadutree, was the Tree "of the Dragons", which was actually a large Empire spanning across the the Lands Between. Belural itself depicts the Scadutree as the Crossed Tree, Tree that is also in Nightreign in spirit form
>>732477912>never meet obtuseness with sincerity or you waste the time of both parties99.99% of the human race cannot resist
>>732468847>level design is betterlol. lmao
>>732477764>Radagon is being controlled by the BeastSource: your ass>>732477913>More esoteric Kama Sutra nonsense
>>732477976>No it wasn't. The Hornsent didn't build Enir-Ilim. They created a settlement around it.Close. They were emulating the Rauh. They built their spiral city to emulate the Rauh. They’re using bodies to construct it. Their incantations and dancers are performance plays. This is why you see those giants being carried by smaller persons. They’re looking up to the giants of the past and carrying on their shoulders their lost legacy.
>>732470285Sekiro is the best game From ever made and it’s sitting at 90. Game reviews have always been worthless.
>>732477976>The Crossed TreeYou mean the literal spiral tree the Hornsent were trying to grow? Did you just ignore all the spiral/crossed trees littering the land of shadow? Did you just miss all the smaller Erdtrees in their city? Marika stole their project.
>>732477976>The Crossed Tree, which then became the Scadutree, was the Tree "of the Dragons”Cute headcanon
>>732470285>Elden Ring>96I hate video games.
>>732478071>They built their spiral city No they didn'tEnir ilim was build by the same civilization that expanded from Rauh>They’re using bodies to construct it.Bodies that are not hornsent because the Hornsent only created the Gate of Divinity. This alongside the much less advanced Belurat, is meant to show how much crude and less advanced the Hornsent were to the Empire that preceded, Empire also reaponsible for Farum Azula, Stormveil, the smithscript forges and Rauh itself
>>732477976The ancient dragon empire wasn’t that vast. Rauh was noticeably a lot vaster. It’s possible the ancient dragons co existed with the Rauh, though. All those Farum Azula buildings across the Lands seem to have fallen from the sky.
>>732478170>No they didn'tEnir ilim was build by the same civilization that expanded from RauhNope. It’s noticeably a lot smaller and a lot less sophisticated. Rauh architecture formed entire cliff faces. The same people who built the divine towers.
>>732478170>Bodies that are not hornsent because the Hornsent only created the Gate of DivinityNope. They built their entire city using bodies. You can see them falling off. This is just the end result of their body mashing experiments.
>>732478115>You mean the literal spiral tree the Hornsent were trying to grow?Headcanon>Did you just ignore all the spiral/crossed trees littering the land of shadow? Did you just miss all the smaller Erdtrees in their city?The Crossed Tree has NOTHING to do with the Hornsent. It's the Spiral Tree of the Sub Realm. The Spiral was used long before the Hornsent even settled there. The Spiral was used by the Gloam Eyed Queen, and imitates the Fingers. The Hornsent have zero relation to it besides studying and learning the Spiral Incantations from RauhWhen the Order was shattered, the Crossed Tree grew Minor Crossed Trees EVERYWHERE, it has nothing to do with the Lands of Shadow and happened long before they were called like that and separated from the Lands Between.
>>732478170>Empire also reaponsible for Farum Azula, Stormveil, the smithscript forges and Rauh itselfThey don’t share the same architecture. >>732478268>HeadcanonLiteral nope. Sorry. You see smaller glowing trees sucking up bodies and you see actual twisted spiral trees. The Hornsent were all about spirals and crossed intersections. Sorry that’s just how it is, buddy. You can’t just rewrite the lore. >The Crossed Tree has NOTHING to do with the HornsentSpirals have nothing to do with the Hornsent? You keep losing this argument.
>>732478201They are the SAME EMPIREThey both have the same statues of Miranda and the Dynast
>>732469221it"s the contrary. People who glaze the level desing in DS3 conflate its quality for the complexity of the layout
>>732478268Ah sweet a schizophrenic
>>732478315>They don’t share the same architecture. Yes they do>Spirals have nothing to do with the Hornsent?Yes. The Hornsent learned Spiral incantations from Enir-Ilim after getting there, not the other way around
>>732478323Nope. Clearly not the same empire. The first ancient astrologer was a giant. The giants who constructed the divine towers were truly enormous. The forge of the giants shares similar architecture to the Rauh and the divine towers. Farum Azula is set apart. It was situated in the sky. It collapsed and huge sections fell into Limgrave and Liurnia.
>>732478379>Yes they doNope. >The Hornsent learned Spiral incantations from Enir-Ilim after getting there, not the other way aroundSo you’re saying they didn’t build those towns. Got it. You’re retarded, buddy. You are mixing up the Rauh. They are venerating the Rauh.
>>732468847DeS > DaS1 > BB > DaS2 > DaS3 >>>>>> Elden Ring
>>732478390>Nope. Clearly not the same empire.Yes they areThey literally have the same exact statues and nowhere else in the game
>>732477641>You can still cast them interchangeably.Bro.>>732476539>You can outright cast sorceries using faith in the very first Souls game, and vice versa.This is what you saidThis is not trueYou need 36 INT to cast soul spear.You can NOT cast the spell if you do not have that much INT.You are wrong about this, most likely because you never actually tried using either the talisman or the catalyst. Stop coping and accept facts
>>732475887>I don't have any idea how anyone can think Shulva is goodbecause you're retarded
>>732478430Those aren’t on the Rauh ruins. Sorry. That woman with the weird pillar hat does not look like them. You’re reaching. Sorry.
>>732478419>So you’re saying they didn’t build those towns.They didn't build Enir-Ilim or the spiral imagery.They build homes around a temple, and the difference in architecture is strikingband should leave no question to wheter or jot the Hornsent merely settled near the tower, but then the game knows there's retards like you, so on top of Enir-Ilim there's an actual Hornsent construction, a crude Gate of Divinity in imitation of the Sun Gate. Except the Gate of Divinity is crude, not shaped perfectly, and especially the bodies have horns unlike the bodies used for the rest of the tower. By now it should be clear that the Hornsent are merely imitating the previous Beast/Dragon Realm, which is actually called Sun Realm, part of why the first boss of the DLC is two Hornsent dudes dressed up as some Sacred Beast.Unfortunately you are especially hopelessly retarded so you can't get it
>>732478469Why are you pretending to be retarded?You can cast sorceries using a faith staff. You can cast miracles using an intelligence talisman. What the fuck is wrong with you? LOL.
>>732478494Yes they areThis is also the woman depicted in Farum Azula in prayer, surrounded by beasts
>>732478554>They didn't build Enir-Ilim or the spiral imagery.Nope. They did. What they didn’t build is the Rauh.
>>732477628>runback from the start of the castle yet again.Just get the bonfire before before oink, there is like 1 room with 4 enemies you have to fight and 2 turtle knights after Smelter if you skip him. Not having RoB1 is lame but you are missing out on 15 damage and you can just grab the +2 in the castle
>>732475887>Loyce > > > > > > > >Holy fucking no. I love ice levels but Frozen Eleum Loyce is godawful. The knights there are cunts, it has goddamn bonewheels, the golems that come alive when you kill enemies near them are tanky, and the worst part is you have to do the entire thing TWICE to gather enough knights for the drop. And even that gets tiring because if you want the Ivory King's set you best be farming Loyce Souls, which means farming them BEFORE beating the Burnt Ivory King. The drop down to the Old Chaos is cool the first time. The hundredth time? No. And you need F I F T Y Loyce Souls to get the damn armor. Fuck Eleum Loyce.
>>732468878I have no idea, I don't buy DLCs for games I don't like, you retard
>>732478591Nothing alike. Sorry. You keep reaching. Cute how you do this. Keep going.
>>732478554The towns they build aren’t much different from the city they didn’t finish, anon.It’s not even a question. They 100% built their city.
>>732478567You can not cast sorceries without INTWhy is it so hard to accept this simple fact?
>>732478469>You are wrong about this, most likely because you never actually tried using either the talisman or the catalystWrath of the gods is good for reasons that aren’t about damage you retarded motherfucker; it’s about USING them; you aren’t a true wizard
>>732478693You can cast sorceries scaling with faith explicitly going by the lore. You can cast miracles scaling with intelligence going by the lore. Why is your ass so sore, kid?
>>732478605>there is like 1 room with 4 enemies you have to fight and 2 turtle knights after Smelter if you skip him.You underestimate how much I hate Alonne Knights. And how much I'm currently dying to them. I'm actually in Brume Tower right now, trying to open a path to where a group of Ashen Knights are so I can try and farm a sword off them. I hear it's a better version of the Foot Soldier Sword.>and you can just grab the +2 in the castleBruh, that requires fighting two Pursuers at once at +1 bonfire intensity.
>Sun Realms fag enters a DS2 thread>Twists it into his usual Elden Ring shitfest
>>732478469That statement isn’t incorrect.— This black tuft of hair that serves as a talisman belongs to Velka, Goddess of Sin. It casts miracles not by drawing upon faith, but intelligence.There’s just more nuance to it. You are being a bit of a nerd.
>>732478785He is actually fucking retarded. He sees things that aren’t there.
“Is that… IS THAT A STATUE OF A HOODED WOMAN (another hooded woman no.34) ??? Clearly this is all the same woman…”Lmaooo
>>732478724Yeah bro let me get up to 28 faith for Wrath and 44 INT for CSS. In DS1 where without grinding you will usually end the game at around 80-100 SLNobody consideres Velkas and Snakebois good and meta items, they are fun for roleplaying and meme builds but the fact that you still need INT to cast sorceries and FTH to cast miracles hampers their use quite a bit.>>732478756>you can cast sorceries with faith>but you still need INT to cast themSounds to me like you are casting them with INT, unless you want to aslo argue that you can cast spells with muscles because weapon catalysts with STR and DEX requirements exist
>>732478908Anon it’s 28 faith. That’s all you need. I didn’t even level up my health ONCE as a caster. Jesus Christ what sort of idiot puts points into health in the first Dark Souls?
>>732478908>unless you want to aslo argue that you can cast spells with muscles because weapon catalysts with STR and DEX requirements existAbyssal sorcery is 100% meathead tier sorcery anon. Just LOOK at Manus and the Bloatheads.They should have made gravity sorcery scale with strength too, in Elden Ring.
>>732478908I beat this game at 60 Int and 30 Faith lolDidn’t put any points into anything else but Attunement
>>732478762>You underestimate how much I hate Alonne Knights.Thats why I was confused that you were fighting them instead of cheesing the room once with a bow then never bothering again>Bruh, that requires fighting two Pursuers at once atBait one into a grab attack, walk out the door and walk back in, the other will despawn, kill the one leftEven if the one with the ring despawns just go bonfire and come back, only one will respawn (the one you didnt kill) Also get the ADP ring in Brume if you are doing SL1 run
>>732478630nta, lmfao, you're 100% autistic
>>732478958>>732479063And you can also beat the game at SL1 with no upgrades and a broken straight sword.I never said its impossible or even hard, just that if you need 44 INT to use CSS anyway then why use a faith catalyst when you can use an INT catalyst instead?
>>732478908Have both miracle and sorceries on hand makes you a superior and more versatile caster, period. Miracles aren’t even about damage.
>>732479183>just that if you need 44 INT to use CSS anyway then why use a faith catalyst when you can use an INT catalyst insteadThat’s not the point, retard. No one uses Gwyndolin’s staff for that reason. The only truly good miracle is WotG, and it doesn’t cost much. Small heals are nice too. Saves up Estus. WotG and TWoP are INCREDIBLY useful as a sorcerer.
>>732479209But why use a casting tool with worse scaling if you meet the stat requirements to use a better casting tool because you need those stats to equip that spells/miracles in the first place?
>>732479183Focusing on faith with an interest in intelligence isn’t smart. Focusing on intelligence with an interest in faith is smart.
>>732479296Because as the other said, you focus sorcery mainly and go miracles as secondary. Can you please try using your brain, sometime?
>>732479267>No one uses Gwyndolin’s staff for that reasonNoone uses snakeboi staff at all in the first place.As you said, you only need 28 faith then why on earth would you use a sorcerie catalyst with faith scaling when the bitch ass starter catalyst does more damage?
>>732479296You’re supposed to have a catalyst in your main hand and a talisman in your off hand. Never focus miracles.
>>732479350So the miracles are not about damage, in which case what catalyst you use doesnt matter. So again, outside of RP why use Velkas?Outside of RP in what scenario is it better to use Velkas over any other Faith catalyst? Outside of RP in what scenario is it better to use snake staff over any other catalyst?
>>732479420So? Again, this doesnt explain why you would use Velkas or Gwyndolin’s at all on any build over any other talisman
>>732479375The point is, spell juggling is the way to go. You main sorcery, use miracles and pyromancers as secondary. The high end miracles aren’t worth it. You only want the gimmicky ones that screw with people. They really should have given them bigger Faith requirements for this reason.
>>732479563Because it scales better if you have higher intelligence than faith, idiot. Velka’s talisman will be stronger than a plain faith talisman if you have high int.HOW is this complicated? Wrath of the gods scaled with intelligence can and does kill people. The knock back is its main allure, first of all.
>>732479498>So again, outside of RP why use Velkas?PvP…..? Wrath of the gods and tranquil walk of peace are very good in PvP.
>>732469394the view from Lothric peak is amazing
>>732479498>So the miracles are not about damageWrath of gods does good damage if you have high Intelligence, and can scale it with Intelligence rather than faith. By that point it’s basically a Sorcery. It goes by Intelligence, not Faith. It’s powered by your main statistic.
>>732479647And you can spell juggle just fine with FTH talisman for miracles and an INT staff for spells.In what scenario is a FTH scaling sorcerie catalyst good in DS1In what scenario is an INT scaling FTH miracle catalyst good in DS1>>732479678But you just said you use miracles for utility and not damage, healing and shit doesnt scale in DS1, having higher scaling is irrelevant>>732479704And why not use the starter catalyst? But fair point I guess, never did PVP outside of ganking in 1>>732479754If you want damage then why use miracles in the first place?Which is it, are you using miracles for damage (lol) or are you using them for utility?
>>732478170Are you this guy?https://www.reddit.com/r/EldenRingLoreTalk/comments/1im5y5w/the_hornsent_never_ruled_anything/>>732478785Is he this guy?https://www.reddit.com/r/EldenRingLoreTalk/comments/1im5y5w/the_hornsent_never_ruled_anything/
>>732479858>And you can spell juggle just fine with FTH talisman for miracles and an INT staff for spells.If you invested 28 Faith for the sake of getting what is arguably its most potent spell, AS a sorcerer, then you may as well purchase Velka’s talisman. You will do less damage with WotG otherwise. You will heal less otherwise. I do agree though that investing 44 Intelligence as a Faith focused caster is rather inefficient. Just use Logan’s catalyst. The game is clearly telling the player to only use middling tier sorceries and miracles — but the issue is that middling tier miracles are TOO good for what they do, even as low as they are. If you have 50 Intelligence and 28 Faith it’s simply more efficient to use the talisman that favours the former over the latter. Better heals.
>>732478676No they didn't
>>732479858Heal heals 3x the MagAdj of your talisman, Great Heal (Excerpt) is 8x.Your talisman's MagAdj usually scales on FAI (eg Canvas), but sometimes doesn't (ie Thorolund) and sometimes scales on INT instead (ie Velka's).
>>732480105Nox =|= Hornsent
>>732468847>better than 3epstein is better than DS3 the bar is on the floor with that one
>>732480190Yeah indeed, retarded faggot. The Nox were the original inhabitants of Leyndell, whose Empire fell to hubris and with it Enir-Ilim and Rauh were abandoned and Farum Azula was struck.The Hornsent simply settled there which is why all those places are far more advanced than the Hornsent or the Golden Order could ever achieve
>>732480219DS3 is better than a chunk of Fromsoft games except DS1 and DeS.
>>732480105They share origins. Architecture evolves. This doesn’t mean they’re literally the same. Not!Gothic architecture likely didn’t start in the underground with the Eternal. It’s more likely the Eternal was once a part of Raya Lucaria, which stayed above whole the Eternal got shunted under the ground. The moon of Nokstella is seen with cuckoos. The cultures were one at some point. The focus on towers (and mashing people together if you assume Sellen is relevant) and the similar-ish architecture might point to them having shared origins. But they are not the same culture. It’s like saying Sellia is the same culture as the Carians. Both share origins but one stayed above while another had to dig itself out.
>>732480296pure delusion, it's their weakest game.
>>732480296And Dark Souls 2 and Sekiro and AC6 and everything before Demon's Souls, but also Demon's Souls and Bloodborne
>>732480291The Eternal was a previous sorcery based civilization that ended itself when it wounded Metyr and she had a fit and a resultant meltie and summoned the angry stars to nuke their moon and sink their civilization. This is why the moon was seen as heretical for a long time, by both the Raya Lucarians and the Sellians. The moon was heralded as a disaster by the former and inferior by the former. The reason why this is likely the case is because it’d be weird to assume that the not!Gothic architecture would have just spontaneously started underground. It’s more likely it existed on the surface and then made do underground.
>>732480291I’d actually consider Marika’s culture to be more advanced. One is more modern. >>732480432The moon was heralded as a disaster by the latter* and inferior by the former.
>>732480332>They share origins.They share origins because they are the same Empire. They were a multi-racial empire which is why Farum Azula and the Land of Shadow both have beastmen and men, and the Hornsent who took their culture from the remains of such Empire worship Sacred BeastsRemember when you all subhuman, low IQ retards thought Godrick had grafted gold onto Stormveil to pretend he was powerful, despite Stormveil being one of the largest most ornate places in the Lands Between? Yeah you are retards that listed to retarded loretubers and make random ass assumptions rather than paying attention, because Stormveil is specifically "crowned by the Sun" and the Hornsent tried to imitate it. This is evidence enough this empire had roots in the entire continent that the Hornsent specifically modeled their Divine Gate out of the entrance of this Castle
>>732480512>They share origins because they are the same EmpireIs the Byzantine Roman empire the same as the Roman empire came before it? Think critically here.
>>732480512>Remember when you all subhuman, low IQ retards thought Godrick had grafted gold onto Stormveil to pretend he was powerful, despite Stormveil being one of the largest most ornate places in the Lands BetweenFirst time hearing about this. Maybe stop projecting.
>>732480357>Dark Souls 2No. LMAO>SekiroMaybe>AC6probably but still mid>BloodborneWorst version of DS3. Tranny's first souls game.Nothing else but ER did huge numbers but also stick to the formula. Open world didn't do ER any favors and it suffered from it greatly.
>>732480512I’m pretty sure that the Rauh, and whoever or whatever those dead titans are, or were, are a lot older than even the ancient dragons. Whoever built the divine towers predates the ancient dragons. The first ancient astrologer was a giant in the original version of the game. This would be before the Elden Ring landed, likely. Metyr started a strange culture before the Ring arrived. Probably. You’re making the setting a lot simpler than it is.
>>732480512Nah the Hornsent were just low iq imbeciles who once started out as high iq intelligence chads but devolved into low iq faith tards. Notice how their incantations are called sorceries? They became retarded. Zealots. It might even be a post-Messmer thing. This is all that remains. He took over their library.
>>732480486>I’d actually consider Marika’s culture to be more advanced.Then you'd be wrong, because the golems and automated systems are all ancient advanced things that this empire can't mantain, to the point that the Golden Order in its infancy needed to condemn "victors" of the Colosseum to do Catacombs guard duty instead.The places of worship of Marika are also poorly repaired Cathedrals similars to those in the Land of Shadow. This wall was repaired in a lazy way using bricks as filler for larger archways, which is why there's open windows within walled archways to the sides. We see the original form these Cathedral have with all the Cathedrals of Manus, places of Finger worship that weren't altered and are now completely ruined.This makes clear the Golden Order can't build such impressive Cathedrals anymore and is merely inhabiting the ruins of a much bigger and more advanced civilization.
>>732468847TRVTHNVKE
>>732480814> Then you'd be wrong, because the golems and automated systems are all ancient advanced things that this empire can't mantainHornsent lack them. Hornsent couldn’t make literal fire giants that put the fear into the Hornsent. The Hornsent couldn’t produce those wandering mausoleums. Hornsent don’t even have access to the Rauh golems. They can’t reverse engineer shit, buddy. They are retarded. Marika could literally hollow out the side of mountains and make massive stone elevators. Hornsent are pathetic. They needed to mash bodies together to do anything at all. They couldn’t make their own giants to combat the ones Messmer employed. Marika can repurpose Eternal tech. She is better reverse engineers. Probably all from Liurnia.
>>732480814They’re in disrepair because no one cares enough to tend to them, dummy. Hornsent towns look primitive, btw.
>>732480612>Is the Byzantine Roman empire the same as the Roman empire came before it? Yes it was at some point. Only when the Order was broken the Empire fell. And only much later Marika picked the pieces and conquered it all. It's fucking hilarious how the game has 6 perfectly placed near identical divine towers spelling out how the Lands Between was unified under a rule descendant of the Dynast and yet you retards are even questioning the Age of the Crossed Tree.Why the fuck do you think this Golem is on every region in the map? Who do you think even made this? There',s no forges in the Lands Between, did Marika shart this out of her ass? Retard
>>732480925She has* the better reverse engineers. Probably all from Liurnia* if I had to make a safe guess (nobles from Leyndel would travel to Raya Lucaria to learn sorcery), likely as a result of golden order intellectualism taking off
>>732480975Wrong, they are clearly repaired, but with brick wallsThose that aren't are untended. This is further evidence the Empire responsible for the Cathedral spanned across the whole Lands Between
>>732481005> There',s no forges in the Lands Between, did Marika shart this out of her ass? RetardThere aren’t any bedrooms in Caria manor. I guess the Carians didn’t sleep?Caria is actually a mix of both house Stark and house Targaryen. Carians are former royalty and come from a much bigger civilization.
>>732468847Well yea 3 is dogshit. Anything is better than that boring uninspired slog of a game
>>732481085They're all uninspiring and slog games. You just have to pick which one is less shit.
>>732481058The golden order became retarded to anon. Goldmask laments as much. This is a parallel of how the Hornsent became retarded over time. Intellectuals turned zealots. They built the tower city. WHY do you want to assume the Rauh built it when it looks a lot less impressive in comparison to what the Rauh actually built? Do you not understand how fucking massive the ruins of Rauh are compared to the tower city? It’s right next to it. Why doesn’t it look anything alike? Why is it so fucking small?The Rauh were giants. Enir-Illim is just too fucking small.
>>732480925Wrong>>732480779WrongThe Hornsent adopted the Sun Realm culture and learned spiral incantations. They worshipped the imagery of it, and learned the spiral from there.The Hornsent Ascetics also created Fire Spites using the ancient cookbooks they found in Rauh and Rauh burrows. The Hornsent are a culture of pillagers and not remotely as advanced, and they inhabited the euins of a much better civilization from which they learned Incantations.This is an objective, blatant truth.>>732481069>There aren’t any bedrooms in Caria manor. I guess the Carians didn’t sleep? Non sequitur
>DS2 is so shit that thread turns into another generic ER discussion.kek
>>732481287> Non sequiturNope. I’m simply playing by your own rules. You look way too far into what is a game at the end of the day.
>click thread>look inside>ER jerk fest between two people>report thread>leave
>>732481287> The Hornsent Ascetics also created Fire Spites using the ancient cookbooks they found in Rauh and Rauh burrows. You mean explicitly primitive magic that they didn’t invent themselves?> The Hornsent are a culture of pillagers and not remotely as advanced, and they inhabited the ruins of a much better civilization from which they learned Incantations.Correct. Enir-Illim is a lazily built city that relied on literal mass sacrifice. They tried to emulate the much grander and more advanced Rauh civilization.> This is an objective, blatant truth.Nope.
>>732481297Blame the Sun Realm fag.
> the claim that the hornsent merely imitated what they saw in the tower is objectively false as the divine bird warrior armor directly calls them the very first of All horned warriors. And the ornis ashes also put him as the one they claim descent from meaning that all divine invocation is of hornsent origin and as it is crucial to their culture and the roar of rugalea directly calls it the divine invocation of the hornsent. Additionally we see no emphasis on the spiral in any of the other culture as something that was notable enough for them to directly take note of and mention in their spells nor do we see any evidence of divine invocation either in them. And in the spiraltree seal it directly seems to be comparing the tower with the erdtree which would place it firmly in hornsent hands as I established divine invocation originates with the hornsent and as far as I know the seal boosts said divine invocation spells which means that the tower faith involves something we only hear the hornsent had anything to do with as part of it and thusly is firmly hornsent in origin.>>732481287They were archaeologists. They built Enir-Ilim using Rauh principles. They went into Rauh collecting tablets of lore.
>>732481460Idk why jannies don't permaban him.
Ancient dynasty architecture is right under Enir-Ilim so it cannot be older than the Rauh or the Uld/Uhl.
>>732477190>>732477268>>732477815>>732480332>>732481562>ChatGPT responses
>>732481460>>732481582Pretty sure it’s a legitimate troll with zero life
>>732481219>They built the tower city. They didn't>WHY do you want to assume the Rauh built itBecause it's correct>Do you not understand how fucking massive the ruins of Rauh are compared to the tower city?Because the Tower was not a city. It was a place to reach unto the Sun. Because the same saints appearing at the entrance of Belurat and on the tower of Enir-Ilim are also portrayed in the Stone Coffin Fissure ShipsBecause those same statues are Enir-Ilim, Belurat and in Rauh while at the same exact time the statues that are actually horned and have been clearly built by the Hornsent are part of the architecture and are carved with crude and basic techniques.You can EASILY tell the Hornsent are a bunch of barbarian that settled in the ruins here. How fucking dumb you must be to think the Hornsent would build this.
>>732481378The Caria Manor is a school, not an hostel, and much of it is non accesibleYour rules are retarded>>732481440>You mean explicitly primitive magic that they didn’t invent themselves? Moving the goalpost>Enir-Illim is a lazily built cityEnir-Ilim is a tower, the most impressive ever made, created by Rauh>>732481562>They built Enir-IlimWrong they did not
>>732481812>>732481858Dude. You already thought there were no aliens in this game/world. How can ANYONE take your opinions seriously?
>>732481890>Caught red handes by clear evidence>DeflectsThere's no aliens in Elden Ring
>>732481858> Enir-Ilim is a tower, the most impressive ever madeIt’s actually rather small
>>732481890Stop giving the bot a response and report him and abandon this thread.
>>732481812You are so stupid this is just funny now. It’s like watching a child go full retard as a form of coping / doubling down
>>732481812They also have the same flower/root motives
>>732481812Uhhh looks like you presented evidence I can't refute so I'll call you bot and talk about unrelated shit
>>732481812> Because the same saints appearing at the entrance of Belurat and on the tower of Enir-Ilim are also portrayed in the Stone Coffin Fissure ShipsYou mean the same stone coffins that show not!Moses? Of an even earlier civilization that Enir-Ilim is built on top of?You’re not very smart. You can’t look at the environment properly or well enough.:^)
>>732469158genius
>>732482048You don’t know what an alien is loool
>>732482049>You mean the same stone coffins that show not!Moses?They show the Dynast, that is portrayed across the Lands Between, even in two periods of time, before (in the DLC) with a star chart, and later with a tablet THAT PORTRAYS WHAT WE NOW KNOW TO BE THE CROSSED TREE, and tree roots at its feet.This proves you are wrong and I'm right and that is the same civilization that found the Crucible of Life in Rauh >You’re not very smart.Oh the irony lol
>>732480105>>732481812You’re stealing images from this Reddit thread that says the exact opposite of what you’re saying lolhttps://www.reddit.com/r/EldenRingLoreTalk/comments/1og05am/for_the_people_who_believe_enirilim_wasnt_built/I wish you were more subtle
>>732482180Well, no, since the geography points to Enir-Ilim being built over the ancient dynasty ruins, as seen in the Gaol under the tower settlement, meaning it’s quite a lot younger than the ancient dynasty, and as such is a lot younger than the Rauh.
>>732482215I don't care what Re*ditors say when they get lore wrong. Why don't you join them since you seem just as retarded? But first, care to address why the same statues are in Rauh and Enir-Ilim and why they look nothing like the statues the actual Hornsent built (rightmost picture).Oh you won't? Looks like I won
>>732482180Die in a fiery car accident you fucking waste of air.
>>732482263Get beheaded by a bus you waste of space.
>>732468847it's good until the boss of no man's warf, after it becomes a lot more meh, wish you could play with the different enemy layouts from vanilla to mix stuff up
>>732482272Decapitate yourself with a salami log
All he’s doing is playing the part of some schizophrenic tinfoil hat lorefag ‘historian’ and he is doing a very accurate job of it
>>732482263>Well, no,Well yes>Enir-Ilim being built over the ancient dynasty ruinsIt wasn't built over ruins. It was simply built over because the Ancient Dynasty only later converted over tree cult and created the Crossed Tree, when coming in contant with the Crucible of Life that Devonia is now searching in Rauh (and the reason why Rauh is so full of life and green and the waters of its river heal Rot and stop the Rot spread from the other side, Siofra also flows from Rauh)The Dynast is himself portrayed first as astrologer and then as Tree worshipped in the base gameThere's signs of the Ancient Dynasty in Farum Azula, Rauh, Enir-Ilim and Leyndell, and you can tell those are the same that are now Nox
>>732482547Die Die Die you attention seeking whore
>>732482180>>732481812Damn this made the Shart Souls 2 fanboys mad lol
>>732482547> It wasn't built over ruinsDo you know where the gaol is located? You clearly don’t. Therefore, I accept your concession.
>>732482547>and the reason why Rauh is so full of life and green and the waters of its river heal Rot and stop the Rot spread from the other side, Siofra also flows from Rauh)There's no way they accounted for that
I'm replaying Bloodborne right now and it's still unsurpassed. My only complaints are blood vials and that the game is stuck on shitty hardware
>>732482636The Gaol wasn't in ruin, retard. The fact that there's Dynastic architecture under the Tower of Enir-Ilim is yet another evidence that it was built by them>>732482690Yes they did, you can trace the two rivers . The Siofra River Well is also leftmost of Caelid so it stopped that too
>>732482690Nah it’s just incredibly fertile. The rot is slowly advancing.
>>732482736Shame the gameplay of Diet Dark Souls 3 sucks>>732481812>Not a single counterargumentAbsolutely destroyed the Shart Souls 2 fanboysGood job
>>732482776> The Gaol wasn't in ruin, retard. The fact that there's Dynastic architecture under the Tower of Enir-Ilim is yet another evidence that it was built by themNo. It shows that Enir-Ilim was likely built after the sinking of the ancient dynasty’s ruins. It wouldn’t make sense otherwise.
>>732482830What do you think Devonia is doing here?
>>732482894Being a crucible knight? It’s very fertile with life, anon.
>>732482736It has been surpassed by every souls game but 2.
>>732482879No it doesn't, the whole thing was made by the Dynasty. There's the same statues, motives, urns and architectureIt's hilarious how you are trying ti grasp at ANYTHING but admit you are plainly wrong
>>732483201He is legitimately retardedWhy the fuck would even Belurat be built by the Hornsent but not the Belurat Gaol?
>>732478326You can't even type basic English and you think you understand anything about level design in video games?
>>732483201>>732483902Architecture looks nothing alike. Unless you want to accuse the Uld/Uhl of being Hornsent.
>>732484083They are nothing alike because nine of those was built by the Hornsent, dumbass. The Hornsent only built the Bonny village they are legitimate cavemen
>>732484063All Dark Souls 2 fans are pajeets
>>732484063nta but, please go ahead and explain what makes hallway simulator 3s level design so good.
So guys.. hear me out.We talk about dark souls 2
>Get the Ashen Warrior Sword I was looking for>18 DexNweh! I can't use this!Guess I'll go for the Melu Scimitar. It's not special, but it looks cool. And 75 durability is very nice compared to the Foot Soldier's Sword of 20 that I was using before.Time to head downwards for Titanite Chunks and eventually Flynn's Ring.
>>732484986Which levels in 3 are a hallway you stupid retard?
>>732485059Most of them? I thought you where an expert in level design, how did you not even notice something this basic?
I really really really like this boat!
>>732485143>Most of them?Be specific and name them all.
>>732485169I like how none of the people there are horned because the Hornsent didn't make this
>>732485190Alright, analyse Grand Archives. If that doesn't count. What about the first level, High Wall of Lothric?
>>732485291>Alright, analyse Grand Archives.Vertical, full of hidden passage, good deal of shortcuts and ranged enemies, many secrets, great fights. Fantastic level, it's like Lecture Building if it had enemy variety, wasn't trash, the traps in the bookshelves were fair and in general the whole game was good. The only issue I have with it is that there's no actual Gargoyle duo boss fight in the roof, with actual fog walls and invisible walls for the enemies.
>>732485291You should've said road of sacrifices or something. Those two levels are already more intricate with more optional areas and skips than the average DS2 level.
>>732485169Then take it, my friend! It's all yours!
>>732485447You appear to not actually understand what linear means. Try again.
>>732485291>large areas with interconnected routes, different pathways, secrets to discover and tons of verticality are hallways
>>732485593See>>732485723
Return to drangleic soon.There is still no seamless coop for casuals to hide in. Do you have your rapist build ready? Blue acolyte for infinite invasions and wex dust functionality, install it and make clips!
>>732484792Even if you assume they weren’t built by the hornsent, they still weren’t built by the same culture. Enir-Ilim isn’t older than the ancient dynasty or the Rauh before them.
>Bloodborne being their most rushed and underdone game. They couldn’t even be bothered finishing the wizarding school—Byrgenwerth. This is probably why there wasn’t an actual casting system.Tru>I used to think Arcane magic was more so item/artifact based dabbling to set it apart from the more recognized Faith or Intelligence spells that come across as more so formalized. I was expecting it to be the magic item/artifact stat in Elden Ring when the game came out, not some weird awkward statistic that they clearly didn’t know what to do with. It makes no sense in lore, too. ALL magic is “arcane” by definition, in essence.Tru
>>732485861>Enir-Ilim isn’t older than the ancient dynasty or the Rauh before them.It is>>732485593
Save Lucatiel.
>>732486135>It isExcept it isn’t. You’re assuming they built the thing above ground before they built the thing underground (formerly above). They’re also right on top of each other.
>>732485992I’m still blown away by the fact that they made the inside of Byrgenwerth like 100x bigger than the outside. Clearly someone made a big mistake.
>>732486135I bet you think Azur isn’t an ancient ass (surviving) ancient astrologer. “Oh Azur, tell us what the Hornsent were like!”. “Never heard of ‘em”.
>>732469357Counterpoint: the WebM schizo hasn't revealed himself ITT
>swings her greatsword like a much lighter straight sword>me thinks wow gal stronk>gets almost instantly annihilated by freaking RottenJust give me your set now, you stupid bitch, it's not like you need it once you turn into a mindless hollow. I hate this game
Fuck you
DS1>DS3>ER>DeS>DS2>BBI don't care for Sekiro.
>>732468847>better than 3Basically every popular non-souls fromlike is better than 3 so thats not saying much
>>732488303Truth but 3 is better than the vast majority of Fromsoftslop which includes 2.
>FIFA 2021 is better than FIFA 2025 type of argument
>>732468847
>>732488169BB is a great game but it has no build variety unless you go all out of your way to make the game objectively unfun.
>>732488709No it's not. The sheer fact that it's short with shit bosses makes it a boring and forgetful experience. No amount of other copes will save it. I'm glad I sold it off a year after since watching paint dry was more entertaining.
>>732468847sekiro>dark souls>dark souls 2>demon's souls>elden ring>bloodborne>dark souls 3
>>732468847DS3 was handcrafted for ADHD mushroom head zoomers, so just by virtue of that it is the absolute worst game in the series.
>>732469158Elden ring is what Dark souls 2 was originally, i looked into this recently, apparently they were trying to make the open world souls games with Ds2 but bamco forced them to release on the ps3/360 gen which made them cut the design halfway in, the director dipped and Tanimura took over the shitshow mantle and fixed up everything, Dark souls 2 is basically Elden ring's daddy
>>732490271Dark Souls 2 is my favourite in the series because it's the most non-linear, and I hate Elden Ring's open world for wasting my time. Thank God DS2 wasn't open world and I hope Fromsoft never makes open world shit again
>>732490271DS2 was never intended to be open world.
>>732471974DS1 rips off Demon souls npcs and bosses like gwyn is basically copypaste of king allant, firekeeprs/maiden in black, the same crestfallen knight comes back with the same quest and dialogue, the tutorial boss is a reskin of vanguard
>>732468847I haven't played 3 (yet) but 2 is by far the worst game, of all games i have ever played while dark souls 1 is among the best.
>>732485291Grand Archives is a legitimate Good Dungeon™ and it's a real shame it's not in a better game.
>>732490754Congratulations on knowing that all these games are iterative and uninspiring bullshit.
>>732491726Dark souls 2 is the exception since it doesn't ripoff but builds on the past games, the final boss Nashandra isn't an Allant ripoff for instance
>>732492126>pre final boss is an o+s ripoff>nashandra is visually a ripoff of nito>aldia rips off true king allant visually and rips off gwyn musicallyNice try troon
>>732468847>elden ring >ds1 >bloodborne >ds >ds3 >expired milk >literal dogshit >chinkslop gacha #9734 >ds2
>>732492498You never played the game you heard this from the tranny tubers who got filtered by Ds2 10 yearsa go, throne watcher boss fight is night and day when compared to os+s, you have to kill them fast as one of them regenerates when his health drops to 0>nashandra is visually a ripoff of nitoyou made that up>aldia rips off true king allant visually and rips You made that up too, Aldia is a tree while allan is liquid dogshit, this is pathetic, get better points faggot
>>732492858Most obvious false flagging of the day.
>>732468847no it's not, ds3 is exactly as awful as ds2 and I'm tired of you disingenuous losers pretending it's not. Dark souls was a one and done, lightning in a bottle affair and only midwits still cling to the series. it's been over 10 years, you were proven wrong time and time again, please fuck off and never come back.
>>732493214>ds2fag calling anyone else a troon
>>732468847OP is a faggot. That's a fact.
>>732493687>no argument, just sperging outconcession accepted lil man
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level design is not better. Im not even one of those people that complain there is a volcano at the top of a swamp windmill. I can ignore stuff like that. Its the fact the levels are like 5 minutes long and there is a bonfire every 10 steps. They are so small and straight forward, nothing ever really felt like a proper dungeon. Every time I revisit Dark Souls 2 I am surprised by areas I forgot about because there are so many random locations that you are in momentarily. Its quantity over quality.
>>732496627Dark Souls 2's level design really doesn't get enough hate for starting the "bonfire every 10 steps" trend that persisted in DS3 and Elden Ring.>enter Harvest Valley>bonfire behind a pool of poison>progress forward>1 non-threatening ogre standing in a pit full of poison fog, with nothing standing between you and the exit>2 more non-threatening ogres standing in front of a gate you need to open by climbing a ladder>bonfire>progress forward>fork in the road>if you go left, there's a room full of those fat undead enemies with sickles and a bunch of breakable walls, which immediately loops back to the fork and bonfire>if you go right, there's 2 more ogres in a pit, which you don't need to interact with at all>and then one, small section of level where you fight a few of those fat fucks with the massive hammers>covetous pushover>bonfireI have no idea why there are so many bonfires in DS2 when the healing system is the way it is. There's not even a reason to use lifegems half the time because there's always a bonfire right around the corner.
>>732497659Dark Souls 1 doesn't have long levels.
i never got the hate for dark souls 2 other than just weird contrarianism or because a youtuber told people to hate it. it's a good game. although i will say the cover art for the game is lame.
>>732498214it might have to do with the game being bad
did someone hear a tranny just ack rn?
>>732471109You're seething at favela trolls
>>732492126KEK
>>732497659Facts, I remember I was like 15 hours in on my first playthrough and come to this conclusion right before the skeleton valley area. There is a bonfire in a tree steps after the previous bonfire if I recall correctly.
>>732492126True. Nashandra just fucking sucks instead.
>>732468847Dark souls 2 walked so elden ring could jump.Ds2 is kings field 5
>>732468847>PvP is (sort of) betteryou didn't play the game.rat covenant stays winning but forever trapped in a shit game. >oops you played the game too much your character is bricked you have to make a new one :')not only should soul level never have made it in but the person who brought it up should have been immediately fired and put in a public stockade for at least a month.
>>732498859What is this pic trying to prove?Aldia's keep is a place that is supposed to be a secret and a place where aldia was experimenting.Why would this area be large and expansive?
BEST SOULS 2
>>732477346>know boss moves by heart and still dodge too early>despawning enemies instead of playing with Company of Champions
>>732499227Your goatse ring?
>>732468847DS3 level design:>Hallway full of enemies>Hallway full of enemies>Hallway full of enemies>Unlock shortcut to bonfire>Hallway full of enemies>BossDS2 level design:>Barrels that explode if you hit them with fire damage, opening up new passages>Foggy forest with trees you can hit to make a sound that temporarily distracts difficult enemies>Dark area you can light up with torches to aid visibility and mark progress, or activate a lamp to scare light sensitive monsters off the main path>Tar pits hiding monsters that you can ignite with fire damage to kill the monster inside>Mechanical tower that you can gradually reactivate all its mechanisms unlocking new areas
>>732480691>Metyr started a strange culture before the Ring arrived. Probably.metyr gave BIRTH to the Elden Beast
>>732500683I've been doing a Company of Champions run recently and found Skeleton Lords to be a more fun fight but Executioners Chariot with the Skeletons and Necromancers to be awful.
>weapon durability was tied to frame rate on releaseNah, it can go fuck itself
>>732484063what is wrong with my post, you cum guzzling retard?
>>732496627>They are so small and straight forward, nothing ever really felt like a proper dungeon.dark souls 2 levels are MECHANICALLY diverse and engagingfossilizing on layout size or complexity is a foolish endeavor
>>732501406>>732502307this guy gets it
Fucking morons that actually don't even play vidyagames think, that Soulslike it's a genre that built only and only about difficulty, but in reality, the most supreme Souls game is Dark Souls 1, because it captures more of a Zelda style gameplay, than "Ooohh, boss is attacking in 0.1111111 ms, i need to roll, ogogogogog"
>>732499441Remember kiddies if DS2 has an issue then ackshually it’s not an issue because my cherry-picked webms prove DS1 or 3 do it and if it actually does than it’s totally justified because reasons
DS2 has a lot of good ideas in theory but they have terrible implementations. The moment to moment gameplay fucking sucks.I don't care about the graphics themselves but holy fuck the animations blows, it's like they mocapped a fat guy who shat his pants. The only way to not feel like wading through a shit swamp is to pump ADP, stay naked and use a light weapon and dump all your extra souls in a bow & arrows.
>>732501406>actual level design with tons of optional areas and sidepaths vs paintball statue spam neon green booger cave that’s five feet long and heide’s four platforms
>>732469394You can also see the majority of the locations from Majulas Monolith Stone
>>732502476
>>732501406What most people disregard from DS2 is that you can interact with most bosses arenas. People just want to complain about ADP or the graphics because the eceleb told them so and they never gave a chance because most people believe things without benefit of doubt.>Pursuer has ballistas you can use>Dragon Riders arena canbe collapsed>Flexible Sentry water tide rises as the battle prolongs>Lost Sinner arena can be lit up>Executioner Chariot can be toppled by lowering the gatesEtc.>Covetus Demons can eat the people on the vases pn the ceiling>Medusa has the poison you can clear>Mirror knight can summon players
Shrine of Amana
>>732503590Its FUN
>twitter screenshot about gay fanfiction>crying about ecelebsCertified DS2 thread
I liked Dark Souls 2 a lot when it came out, after finishing it I couldn't help but feel the first one was better, but stillNow there's another version of Dark Souls 2, SOTFS, one I didn't play back then and didn't have a good time with, and I hate it, they shouldn't have messed with it
>>732503628No I'm in it right now and I want to scream.
Kinda sad once you realize DS2 might be their last great game.
>>732500683I never claimed to be perfect. And I'm not going to make my life harder on an SL1 run unless absolutely necessary.
>>732503504>crisitisms
>>732503736>NOOOO LEAVE THE ECELEBS ALONE I TRUST THEM AND GIVE THEM ALL MY MONEY THEY WILL NEVER LIE TO MEEEEEE!!!!Telling.
>>732507000This, people need to stop being so mean to Hbomberguy and Domo3000
Dark souls 1 > ds2 > Demons souls > ER > bloodborne > sekiro > kings field 4 > ds3 > shadow tower > kings field 3 > eternal ring > kings field 2 > kings field
>>732468847Is still worse than Demon Souls, and that's an Universal fact.
>>732468847>"I-it's better than 3!">DaS2 chuds think this is a big dubKEK
>>732468847wrecking scrubs all day at bellbros was peak souls gaming
>>732474502kek
DS2 turned me into a furry. FUCK DS2!
>>732468847Can we talk about how much weapon variety 2 has compared to 1 and 3?Like so many unique weapon appearances. The puzzle sword that behaves like a whip from the sunken dlc was fun.
DS2troons and poor people by choice share so many commonalities such as living on survival mode to avoid responsibilities that remind them of their massive flaws.
>>732492126>Dark souls 2 is the exception since it doesn't ripoffinstead it just uses the unfinished assets from those games. And then also give you 1/2 of ornstein and smough (by removing smough they built upon the past iteration so its not a ripoff)
>>732498214>Darksouls 2 fan>crying contrarianismzero self awareness
>>732503504>What most people disregard from DS2 is that you can interact with most bosses arenaWow! That's really cool. I think the reason no one mentions this is because the bosses don't even try to attack you to begin with so any interaction is completely unnecessary.
>>732507315kings field 4 is so damn kino
>>732469027I disagree, even the biggest DS2 hater has at least beaten the game, I've played all souls games by from and multiple souls-likes and still couldn't bear more than 10 hours of Code Vein, which I'm guessing is not even half of the game.
>>732468847dark souls 2 and sekiro filtered /v/ like no other game in history. no wonder they're the most hated ones.
>>732468878Hell no. Only Old Iron King is good.
>>732513805I only don't like sekiro and bb because they have a learning curve with the new abilities I'm too lazy to learn, I'm used to everything in ds/er so I like them better
>Soulsshit>Good
Do you fags ever get bored of arguing about these games every day for the past 10 years?
Imagine what their games would look like if they didn’t cut so much
