>people kept bitching about Engage's le wacky and zany character designs>IS: okay, here's the most normal and plain knight girl you've ever seen>she's the least popular character of the whole castyou bitches deserve nothing
>>732474201People dont know what they actually want, more news at 11
>>732474201Most people turned off by the art style immediately bounced off before seeing characters like jade or citrine, obviously people who like the art style will end up liking characters like yunaka and hortensia
Heard about a new romhack?
>>732474201the character designers just suck assunironically bring back kozaki
>>732475194>unironically bring back kozakiGiven his work in FEH, I'd be against that.Like the only good ones were nuVeronica and maybe Letizia.
>>732474201BASED BASED BASED
>>732475248Then bring back fucking WadaThis series looks like shit now
>>732475248>Like the only good ones were nuVeronicaBased taste>>732475431>>Then bring back fucking WadaDouble based!
>>732475431Their new art isn't great
FINALLY A NOT GAY THREAD!
>>732474201if I want to get into this franchise where should I start? Is first game alright or are there any dogshit I should skip?
>>732474201But I love Jade
>>732475587>where should I start? Literally what ever looks most interesting to you >first game alrightIts an old nes game, if you can handle that go for it. It does have a ds remake>or are there any dogshit I should skip?You should make that choice yourself Imo 4 is irredeemable dog shit but people still like it
>>732475587engage is a perfect place to start
>>732475537plap plap plap plap plap
>>732475572DWAGON THREAD?
mia's girlfriend apparently
>>732475587>>732475701honestly treat this series like final fantasy, pretend the first 5 games don't exist.
>>732475587because of historical reasons (JP-only releases and remasters/remakes), it isn't that straightforward. the usual recommendation is to start with one of the GBA games, typically sacred stones. it's one of the easier FEs but it serves as a good introduction to series staples. other okay-ish introductory games would be FE3H or FE Engage. they are vastly different from the other games in the series and honestly not that great overall, but again you're dipping your toes in the water just to see if you like the idea of the games. that said, going back to play older games from FE3H or engage might be a bit weird
LMAO this has to be a fucking bait
>>732475743Stop trying to spread your agenda Zephiel, we know its you
>>732475823>Zephiel
>>732475751Ff 1,3, 4 and 5 are all good fire emblem 1,3 and 5 are good
>>732475537Oldboy moment
>>732475796Let people have fun
>>732475796It is. And you're biting it
>>732475572>holding hand
>>732475796>>732475898Never ever
>>732475537He cheat on his wife with Blue Anna after this and Chrom knows it
>>732475537Do you guys see it?
hold on a second.these reinforcements come from fortsif i know anything about fire emblem then i can block them by standing on the fort.>so called infinite reinforcements when i stand on their spawn locations.i might be able to save 3000 gold by simply wasting the ships arrows if this works, assuming they don't spawn the ultra rape squad at like turn 50 or something.or they work like the black knight in chapter 11 where even if his spawn is blocked he'll just take the nearest tile.
>>732476026wtf? i can't unsee it now. thanks
was it kino?
>>732476094no
>>732476041every time they give a pegasus a ranged weapon it's like they're asking you to place a bow unit at the edge of their radius.
>>732476094yes
>>732476041>if i know anything about fire emblem then i can>anonymous>holding limited expectations around an enemy army named 'inquisition'what is about to occur is entirely your fault
>>732475537>>732476026need a edit
>>732476189nothing has spawned from the forts so far. and another restart of this chapter wouldn't be the end of the world.
Plappy
>>732475706engages greatest characters
engage with titty monsters
>>732476330they really didn't want you to do this, 4 mages with 3 siege tomes each. I'm half surprised they don't have a siege tome variant of staff savant. now that would really prevent this cheese.
oh no... please dont engage with me...
Tellius thread died before I could post this Nephenee chibi
>>732476463all of the mages and ships have been effectively neutered.
>>732476859the convo said that the units on the other 2 nearby houses would be teleported away for a turn when i visit again but due to concern over the exact mechanics of this I'm going to save state without shame before i do this
>>732476935they've been removed from the map entirely but selecting them in the unit list moves the cursor over to these red houses on the enemy walli assume they'll pop in next turn or something.
>>732476041How bad is the alphabet stuff in it?
>>732477148one of the characters is a mtf tranny lesbianthis brown chick is the main character (they might be gay)several other characters are gay, including a blind priest. if you can ignore/stomach that then the gameplay itself is nice. they like having you rush for objectives in this game. this is one of the first times i feel like I've really cheesed this game in any signifigant way.
>>732476604
>>732477330>chick?
PoR is excruciatingly slow but its neat how enemies will trade and use items
>>732477507To this day no one knows why they let the game release with that gameplay speed
>>732474201I like Jade but being a worse Louis isn't helping her case I actually married her on my first playthrough
>>732477330if there is an anti cheese rape squad they must show up on turn 90+, because on turn 89 they aren't here yet.
>>732475537Sweet home Alabama...
>>732477148specifically this person is the tranny lesbian.they're also a blacksmith, and the battle preps armory. unlike in sacred stones there's no upcharge for buying from them.>>732477423I'm pretty sure it's a girl but with this game who the fuck knows.
>>732477861>>732477330
Boyd and Marcia just died i dunno if i should restart
>>732478086
have you seen the latest troon fe tuber?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yYnxWtLZAw
>>732479190Why....
>>732479229troon fe tubers are becoming my new favorite genre of fe to laugh at
Should I marry Celine Yunaka or Goldmary?
>>732479372Celine
>>732479372tough choice... what does your heart say?
LMAO
>>732479372>Celine has the ass>Goldmary has the boobs>Yunaka has bothYunaka's the choice
Yunaka's used goods
relay?
>>732479342That's digustingWhy are you putting yourself through all this?
Every engage character is unpopular compared threehouse engage designs are dogshit flops
>>732479480is she still showing off her lopsided titties online or did she stop
>>732475587literally just pick any game, despite all the franchise infighting there's no bad starting point. even people's most hated FE games are great for first time players.
>>732479480Mangs TANKED the snakening.
>>732479372I have a hard time choosing between those three too. Celine would probably have the lowest expectations from you as a partner, but she'd also be the coldest of the three to you. Basically she'd put up with you as long as you don't cheat on her, but it'll be extremely difficult to actually get her to love you. Goldmary would be the perfect girlfriend in public, and she'd definitely put in the work in private too, but she probably also has high expectations for you, so don't expect to be allowed to slack off around her. Being with her might get pretty draining (in every meaning of the word). Yunaka would probably be the most chill of the three, and also a pretty good wife, but you have to worry about whether she actually means the things she says, she might just be using you to "act like a normal person".
>>732477861>muscle bound dude with serra's hair stapled onthis is something you'd see in a shitpost wtf
Should just watch Japanese FEtubers that actually play the games and not ramble about gay politics
Empress Saline
>>732482853
BushnakaBushmary
when was the last time (you) played a fire emblem game
>>732483010The Thracia 776 definitive edition thing a few months agoI did a few chapters
>>732483153why are her legs up like that? that can't be comfortable
>>732482941Silly brat, must have tried using a levin sword, and got broken.
fire emblem needs more shotas
>>732482853The Bloody Conquest she launched across Elyos was pretty outrageous, but you gotta admit, literally every country is better now that she's in charge of all of them. Who knew all it took was stripping Brodians of all their rights and forcing them to spend all their energy working the tea fields would have so many positive effects on the world.
>do you like tea anon?no do you say its just okay and im more of a coffee person
>>732474201But Jade is my favorite engage character?
>>732477507Kaga did it first
>>732474909It's not the artstyle people dislike. It's the dumb characters and character designs.
>>732474201Jade is easily the best looking girl in Engage, it’s barely even a contest.Made her a cracked Sniper last time I played, she was incredibly strong
Engage 2 when
>>732487143well, it was an anniversary game, so 40th anni?
>>732474201People always bitch and moan about character design when 90% of the time it's just them not LIKING the character designs instead of them actively being horrible. This isn't just about Engage either, you see it all the time, people constantly shitting their pants over characters that aren't to their tastes, acting like that somehow means they're ugly as fuck and unfitting for the setting or whatever.
>>732488582internet discourse tends to encourage this behavior of expressing opinions with the veneer of objectivity because people feel like that lends them credibility.
>>732488929The quality of this image makes me think it's from a youtube video.Also I don't know how anyone can look at Ivy and call her badly designed unless you really hate that weird thing on her face.
LOLhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px2g21lU0ww
Marriage with Marianne!
>>732489640That really wasn't funny at all.
>>732488582I don't like most designs in Engage or in any game from Awakening onward (save SoV) because the design philosophy driving them is clearly one that prioritizes character distinction over the character's place in the world.Lets take a look at Rosado as an example. Everything about Rosado's design is meant to promote his identity as the game's 'femboy' character, prioritizing that over his role as a Wyvern Knight. It was of greater importance to those tasked with his design that he wear a frilly skirt with a bow and pink leggings rather than having a breastplate like you would expect from a Wyvern Knight. This is especially egregious when the generic WK enemies in the game do wear such armor.By contrast, you can take a look at Lucius. 'Priest' is what comes to mind first, 'femboy' second.Many of the designs in Engage and other recent titles fall into this pitfall, where the primary concern is to communicate the character's personality/identity first, with their place in the world a secondary concern, if its a concern at all. This also ties into what OP is talking about. Jade's design does not fall into this pitfall, and ironically she's less popular for it.
>>732490353LMAOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrWdIXFnwGM
>>732490807I don't think that's an inherent flaw to the designs, it's more of a preference. The characters are more of a focus, making them unique and standing out compared to the generics is a priority, like you said. There's nothing wrong with that, not inherently, it's kinda more down to the games themselves becoming less focused on the world and more focused on the characters, with 3H as an exception obviously(though I'd argue the character designs are pretty bland overall in that game). I'm not saying I don't see where you're coming from, just that it's not really an issue to me specifically, and it's a lot more subjective than a lot of the discourse around Engage's designs would have you think.
>>732475194Kozaki is also shit, 3DSbab
>>732488228>>732482941Firenese whore
>>732491049You are correct in that its not inherently a bad thing, it is a matter of preference. But for me, its unfortunately a dealbreaker when it becomes so prevalent. Personally I can deal with one or two characters like Rosado, but not half the cast or more.
>>732491174
why does engage gets so much love?
>>732491720Low standards for everything other than gameplay.
>>732491720I wanna FUCK Celine in that outfit!
>>732491720Celine SEXO
for me, its hortensia and ivy
>>732491720Contrarians. Also it's a good game. I'm actually planning to replay it once I finish PoR and will probably try out the DLC too.
>>732491720Because it's a very good game
>>732488929Going off memory from my only playthrough.
>>732491479Celine don't look, there's a paralysis demon behind you
Lissa is best girl
>>732474843FPBP
>>732474201She’s an armor girl. She was never going to be popular.
>>732494526People love edelgard and her canon class is armor.
>>732495043She has the lord bonus. If she wasn’t a main character, no one would like her.
>>732483153>Thracia 776 definitive editionThe what now? Are you talking about Forseti Cut? Or New Theory of Thracia? I can't find anything called Definitive Edition.
engage sovl...
>>732496312Why is Eirika there?
>>732496312>Alear with pigtails
>>732496357They need power of old character to fight
>>732496312Seadall looks hot wtf
>>732491720It's a fun game and it looks great if you're not a jaded cynic
>>732496357She needs an audience when she flashes, duh
The urge to see Eirika in that one position Caster had Saber in.
>>732497126I thought you mistype Celica, until I remembered fate. So I was imaging Eirika in an entirely different scenario
I like how much of a cuckquean FemLear is.
>>732496920>If you don't like Engage you're a jaded cynicPut your balls in a vice.
>/u/ troons Kys
>>732486614nah the artstyle is also shit, for fe.
>>732499404>Can't read.
>>732498983sanest engage hater
>shit growths>weakens enemies in earlygame so other units can kill them>benched by midgameBoucheron is a Jagen
Vander might be the shittiest Jagen
>>732500946It doesn't help that early game is littered with Sword Fighters so it's difficult for him to find a good position to enemy phase in.
>>732477507>>732477563>NOOOOO I WANT TO FAST FORWARD THROUGH EVERYTHINGIts literally fine unless you're some autistic speed runner faggot.
>>732500946Thats Jagen and his "endure a 1% crit chance that can one shot him at all times" weakness.
>>732500946He's actually the best one. He's positioned to actually weaken enemies for your lower level units to get EXP from in practically every case. Unlike most Jagens where they steal a lot of kills because their stats are just good enough to carry them for a while before they really start to fall off.
>>732501480>He's positioned to actually weaken enemies for your lower level units to get EXP from in practically every case.And then he gets fucked himself because his defenses are not that much better than other units.
>>732500946He's just a worse Marcus from 6, who's one of the best Jagens in the series.
>>732501594Tanking is Louis' job, while Vander's is to set up kills for his replacement like a proper Jagen.
>>732500946That's not FE12 Arran
>>732501982>Can reclassNot the worst Jagen by default.
>>732500472I don't hate Engage, I just don't like it. I don't like modern FE.
>>732502089You know everyone else can reclass in that game too right
>>732502185He's a prepromote, so he gets to reclass in the stronger prepromote classes.
>>732500946He's exactly what a Jeigan should be, he just falls off a bit earlier than he actually should.
>>732502226You get multiple other promoted options very early on with way better stats than him. He's not even your best unit by chapter 1 and he's already filler by chapter 4. He's pretty much not deployable past chapter 7/8.
>Engage can't have any bad pointsit's almost a cult at this point
>>732502392What are those bad points, again?>Hard mode: no buzzwords
>>732501982Arran is better in 12 than in 3.He still has utility in 12 thanks to class changing. Book 2 he's stuck as a paladin and can easily be benched as soon as you get Palla(3rd chapter) and CamChar/Sirius(4th chapter).
>>732502392Nah, it has a lot of flaws, it's just seething retards like you are bad at actually analyzing game design and finding the real flaws because you don't truly care about it you just seethe that people like the gameplay,
>>732502569Name its flaws
>>732502561Arran is better than Book 1 Jagen in FE3 as well, since he actually gets to double stuff with the Silver Lance and is useful against the wyverns. Meanwhile, the best strat with Jagen is to give his Silver Lance to anyone else since you have several units that use it better than he does even at the beginning of the game.
>>732500946Jagen in FE3 is the worst, actually. He has nothing going for him at all
>>732502561Arran doesn't have Kris to compete with in FE3 and his stats hold up a lot longer there. He's usable filler for a much longer time in that game.
>>732501982Arran is much better on H4 because he can reclass to general. He has good personal base stats, including enough base speed to avoid getting doubled as a general, and he gets 4HKOd when most other units die in 1-2 hits. And as a general he gets access to bows, which is what you want to avoid counters and kill dracoknights, plus he has his own silver lance.
I want to eat Goldmary's shit...
>>732502552>Somniel>the writing>the character design>the lack of objective-based maps, for fucks sake the first and only timed mission is like the third-to-last-level
>>732502604Chain Guards and Chain Attacks are good concepts but not as fleshed out as Fates Dual Stances.The usual flaws with reclassing in modern FE.Maps overall while good don't really reach Conquest's quality.The Somniel is a waste of time and everyone wants Tellius bases back.This one is more subjective but the low movement can be an issue.While more strategy focused than 3H, it still trends FE towards build autism/FFT style game design and FE is slowly forgetting its roots.
>>732500946Louis is the actual Jagen (Oifey(Seth(Titania(Frederick))))
>>732502861NTA but you forgot to touch on the art, characters, dialogue and story.
I'd rather my units have decent base stats for the early game than having to rely on a crutch character to give my characters levels when it's also possible they get shitty levels.
>>732503069Because we were talking about gameplay/game design. I also find it incredibly boring to discuss that stuff because it's always the same shit reiterated a billion times. I know the story is retarded, it's fucking boring to discuss the cathedral door in Chapter 10 for the 20th time. Gameplay discussions are more interesting.
>>732503257>Because we were talking about gameplay/game designHe asked you to name Engage's flaws. Not just its gameplay flaws. Autist.
>>732503320Try reading the thread moron, context is key here.
>>732501982most of your early game units are shitters relative to Kris on H3/4; Arran at least can rely on promoted class bases to fare relatively well in certain classes (general like >>732502821 said being a key example). he falls off hard, but until then he's quite helpful when dealing with hellholes like chapter 2>>732502861>The Somniel is a waste of time and everyone wants Tellius bases back.the new FE being so heavily linked with 3H is almost a guarantee that this sort of inane busywork between maps will be coming back. the base was one of the most sublime qualities of PoR and it's frustrating that the brainlets at IS have just trashed it
>>732503471How about you try it, you inbred fuckstick. (You) made it about the gameplay when we're discussing the game in general.
TIL Arran was supposed to be JagenI used Nolan to setup kills
>>732503604>I'm going to ignore everything in the thread prior to my post because it invalidates my argumentGo away retard
>>732503650>nooo you can't just reference the reply chain nooooo
>>732503620Arran not Aran.
>>732502857Now what's actually wrong with any of these?
I’ve never cared about Tellius bases
>you receivehebewife>she receivesyour life savings
>>732503784Jokes on her I don't have any savings.
>>732503780Same, I like MyCastle and Somniel far more if anything.
>>732503745>massive waste of time, would be better as menus where I don't have to run around picking up poop>the writing is bad>the character designs range from okay to genuinely awful to look at>he doesn't want more level variety in his strategy game, he wants every level to be a rout or kill boss mapYou're playing dumb.
>>732503714
>>732503984>massive waste of time, would be better as menusIt'd be an entire wall of menus, would reduce interactibility with the characters and would not serve as a spot to unwind. It's designed in a way where you spend as much or as little time as you want there.>the writing is badElaborate>the character designs range from okay to genuinely awful to look atWhy?>Implying Engage isn't varied and inspired as hell with its map design already(lol
Why yes, I do spend 30 turns in chapters 15 and 16 before the boss standing in all the "engage circles" to refill my meter and spam Byleth's Goddess Dance for hundreds of free exp. Thanks for asking.
>>732504257Does Byleth get a kick of making little girls do a silly dance against their will?
>Awakeningfetus defending hubslop
>>732495746New Theoru
>>732475796Where is xer cock?
>>732504573>Two buzzwords in a three word postAwakening doesn't even have a hubworld in the first place
>>732503784I have 60k from wageslaving. I just want a cute loyal wife. She'd invest it anyway.
>>732504731No it has something worse. You have to go around a map to find the designated store that sells the shit you want and if there's a skirmish at the place, you have to beat the skirmish first.
>>732502857ComfyCharming to inoffensiveVisually pleasingNot needed
>>732502857You can't complain about Engage's mapsEspecially with the based kill all commanders map
I told ya fags its a cult They have to defend everything
>>732504172>It's designed in a way where you spend as much or as little time as you want there.And it fails, because there's a minimum amount of time I have to spend there grabbing crystals, ingots, and going through loading screens.My Castle did all of it, but faster and more efficiently.>ElaborateIt's been three years. I don't need to elaborate why Engage's writing is bad. It's the status quo. You're the one that needs to somehow present evidence that the last three years of everyone agreeing it was shit writing was actually wrong.>Implying Engage isn't varied and inspired as hell with its map design alreadyIt isn't. It's all rout and boss kill maps. There's like two defend missions (counting Micaiah's paralogue) and one timed boss kill mission.
>>732505016It's a good game worth defending
>>732505016I can understand people liking the gameplay.But the fact these retards are now claiming the writing isn't bad is ridiculous.
>>732505152Why is it "bad"? It gets the point of he gameplay across and is serviceable.
>>732505152It’s about the same as older games, it’s just hated more because the designs aren’t manime and voice acting makes it cheesier.
>>732505016I thinnk it has too many worthless skills.Any +stat skills cost way too much.2 skills is way too low an skill count.All the bi shit is annoying. Specially because it avoids child making despite the villain literally fucking around.But those are minor gripes. Engage is just so fun.
>>732505152Even Fatesfags laughed along with everyone else at the stupid writing.
>>732504963fat bitch
>>732505017>there's a minimum amount of time I have to spend there grabbing crystals, ingots, and going through loading screensThere's also a minimal amount of time you have to spend getting resources in MyCastle and go through waiting periods for shit like the Arena, nevermind the need to wait real life days for these resources to replenish. As for the loading screens, no shit. Engage has way more stuff in its hub than Fates, so it has to compromise in exchange for the richness of it.>I don't need to justify my position(lol>Caring more about the text telling you the main objective rather than the map design itselfAlso good job lowering the worth of your own argument by showing that Engage does use Defend and Timed objectives when relevant.
>>732505371Fates has a worse story than Engage though
>>732505391fat tits
>>732505360>It’s about the same as older gamesMy fucking nigger ass it is. And this is not to say that the old games are works of high literature, but they're well above Engage.
>nuFEfags getting ready to play Fire Emblem
>>732505152The writing is okay imo. Nothing in it is very egregious and it has a clear theme it sticks to throughout the story. I think it lacks a bit of depth and a lot of the actual interesting things in the setting are swept under the rug (Brodia's war mongering possibly being the cause for Sombron's rise to power in Elusia, the alliance between nations breeding conflict and isolating others, Firene in general), but it tells the story it wants to tell and it doesn't have any major plot holes.I get people not liking it or thinking it's boring, but I just don't get why people froth at the mouth over story when it's just mediocre at worse.
>>732505476>Posts gary stu protagonistYou could have picked a better example.
>>732505421>There's also a minimal amount of time you have to spend getting resources in MyCastleAnd it's significantly shorter. I can place my mine and farm next to each other, and put that next to my arena if I wanted to do that.Somniel forces you to run around.The fact that you're contesting this and staying they're the same shows me you're either disingenuous or retarded.>(lolI don't. It's a fact the game has bad writing. You said it didn't. Go prove it. Justify your position.>when relevant.Fucking twice, and one is optional. How many Defend or Survive maps did something even as lame as FE7 have? More than Engage.Engage was a game of beatstick bosses you combo with your ultimate skills. That's the entire game.
>>732475194This but Hidari
>>732505583I'm convinced it's because people saw how retarded Fates' story got and wanted a new punching bag.
>>732505583>Nothing in it is very egregiousThe first thing to happen in the game is a list of multiple things that go on to be plot holes. And it was all unnecessary to add them!How did Alear have a vision of the future? Corrin had it because of Mikoto's bloodline having visions. Robin had it because it was actually a memory of the past, gotten from Grima when they met. Byleth had it because it was Sothis's memory from the crest stone. Alm and Celica had it because of the turnwheel.Why does Alear know about blue emblems and them talking? The Alear we play as didn't meet a future Alear, otherwise that future Alear would have destroyed the dragon shard and thus our Alear wouldn't have had a reason to travel back in time.Why did Alear have a dream about this fight with Sombron that never even happens? Why wasn't it just the fight they had 1000 years ago, without everyone else and with Marth being silent?And this is LITERALLY THE FIRST SCENE.
>>732505623>Somniel forces you to run aroundYou can teleport to all relevant places in Engage. You can even avoid going to shops a lot of the time by just going to the next the next chapter and buying supplies from the prep menu.
>>732505472
I'm doing a female only run of FE6 Hard mode. Marcus is here as he hasn't managed to die yet but he's stripped of any weapon. Roy is also here though minimally and only if I need to because otherwise I'd end up killing myself trying to play this. Shanna has access to the Silver Lance now so I'll try to see how this goes
>>732505601>wants to discuss writing>can't differentiate between dialogue and narrative structure/executionGrim.
>every map objective in 1, 3, 4, and 6 is seize>nobody complains (and rightfully so)>most map objectives in Engage are defeat the boss>I'm supposed to hate this
>>732475431>Then bring back fucking Wada>Director for Sacred Stones, level designer for PoR.No thanks, she's almost as big of a hack as Kaga.
>>732505835That doesn't refute the point that Ephraim largely is a character that doesn't have much flaws and isn't really punished by the story over any mistakes.
>>732505835What a chad
>>732505882Objective variety isn't an issue unless the game actively gets boring or unfun because of it(like Awakening just having you constantly rout).
>>732505623>I can place my mine and farm next to each other, and put that next to my arena if I wanted to do thatThat also takes time, and you have to waste even more time moving it again for an invasion. Seems to me like you're the one being disingenous by calling a system bad when you refuse to objectively see the positives and negatives of the system.>It's a fact the game has bad writingThen it should be easy for you to elaborate. You're the one who made the claim, after all.>D-DOESN'T COUNTFunny how you still ignore the actual map design mattering more than the main stated objective. FE7's defend maps are glorified rout/kill boss maps where you also have the option to do nothing because of their map design, for instance.
>>732505815>You can teleport to all relevant places in Engage.Only roughly, some require you to warp near something and then run. And even then, you're looking at a minimum of like five warps, depending on whether or not you use the well. And then there's the arena and ring chambers to get skills, which each have a loading screen upon both entering and exiting.>You can even avoid going to shops a lot of the time by just going to the next the next chapter and buying supplies from the prep menu.Except you can't forge or bless weapons, so this is still a moot point.
>now Engayfags hate the old games too
>>732506021always did
>>732505927I'm not looking to refute that. Like I initially said, the games have never been high literature. Engage is just THAT shit.
>>732506013>That also takes timeA fraction of the time. You can get everything you want done in My Castle during the time it'd take loading screens needed to inherit getting skills, such as going to and from the ring chamber.>You're the one who made the claim, after all.It's a status quo. You challenged a status quo.>Funny how you still ignore the actual map design mattering more than the main stated objective. So now you're changing goalposts, but claim I'm going "doesn't count?" Objectives are part of the map design. Now you're just arguing "only the tiles matter."Kill yourself, engagie.
>>732506021>Let me shittalk engage in peace :(>Wait, you're turning the tables on me and criticizing the games I like? REEEEEEE
>>732505391>>732505819Owes me babies>>732505531SEX!!!
>>732506093they only like to use the old games to say engayge a return to form and a true FE kek but in reality they hate them
>>732506021They always did. They said for a year "It's like classic FE," but the only game it was like was Fates.
>>732505152>I can understand people liking the gameplay.>But the fact these retards are now claiming the writing isn't bad is ridiculous.To be fair every chapter is a story in itself. Games like Engage and Fates integrate the stories with the battles and makes each chapter battle have a story.Storyfags just like FE's with shitty maps but 30minute exposition dumps before and after each chapter telling you why it was an important battle lmao.
>>732474201I really want to make out with Jade's untrimmed blonde butthole
>>732506120I think it's just funny to use Ephraim as an example, when Alear unironically has more character flaws and gets punished by the game's narrative, than Ephraim.
Reddit hates this
>>732506125>A fraction of the timeIt can take quite a long period of active time to rearrage MyCastle for invasions, it's actually one of my bigger criticisms against it alongside the whole "wait a full irl day for resources to reload". However, just like how I can compromise with MyCastle sometimes being annoying in exchange to being fully customizable, I can compromise with Engage having a few load screens.>It's a status quoGo to r*ddit if you want to parrot other people instead of elaborating on what are supposedly your own thoughts.>Y-you're changing goalpostsNo? I have been consistent in my words, you're just refusing to read them.
>>732506381Apparently it needs to be restated, but these are dialogue examples.
>>732506494Then maybe use a better example that didn't use a character worse than Alear.
>It's a status quo. You challenged a status quo.Why do people always like to be so pretentious?
>>732506503Imoutoes
>>732506545Or maybe you don't try and conflate dialogue with narrative. They are not synonyms.
>>732506469We all do. Nowi and Nah are fucking terrible in a game where everyone is good
I like Engage because my funny little anime chess pieces are cuter than they were in the last game.
>>732506610>No, don't conflate character writing with dialogueAbsolutely retarded
>>732506381Storyfags always use Gary Stus like Ephriam, Ike and Alm as examples because they're actually illiterate. They don't realise the MCs of FE before New Mystery are intended aa self-inserts for the player (excluding Blazing Sword).
>>732475898You give these people an inch, and they take a lightyear.
>>732506687You actually don't know anything about writing, my goodness.
>>732474201She's an armor knight in a bad starting position with not too much immediately going for her, part of the appeal of a char is how they immediately perform as a unit and Jades got a bad start for the early cast who are already largely eh compared to the units who come later
>>732506682The Oboro of Engage
>>732506682Holy sexnaka sexOne of the best Engage girls written too
>>732475898>End up "letting people have fun">They now take over and will force you to step in line with all of their bullshitRemember the Bayonetta incident, there's no honesty in their intentions.
>>732506835Dialogue and how a character is written interact with each other, they're not isolated areas in writing. What are you talking about?
>>732474201Samus' mother btw
>>732480014I remember her posting last year about cosplaying as Rebecca, so clearly she's been deeply affected by the events of July 2020.
https://files.catbox.moe/1uc5hs.mp4Virginity status?
>>732505781>How did Alear have a vision of the future?It's never fully explained, but the cutscene names imply that the visions are a mix of memories, premonitions, and dreams caused from his awakening as a Divine Dragon. I also have an issue with how it's presented and do agree it should have had a proper explanation.>Why does Alear know about blue emblems and them talking? He has fought with Lumera who summons regular Emblems.>The Alear we play as didn't meet a future AlearHe has. He literally doesn't remember most of his past life and wouldn't recall this.>Why did Alear have a dream about this fight with Sombron that never even happens?Same as first point.
>>732506890she's still in the top 20 in cyl10, while Oboro dropped off even before cyl released (top 60 in cyl1). So it's really not comparable.A better comparison to Oboro would be Louis. He was somewhat popular when Engage launched because he was one of the only good early units in the game, but outside of that he was forgotten very quickly.
>>732506956I'll try to explain this as concisely as possible.Ephraim being a Gary Stu has no impact on these examples>>732505835>>732505476because they are not dependent on Ephraim being narratively vulnerable.Dialogue is how characters talk to each other. Narrative structure can inform it, but dialogue is not solely dependent on that. You can, and often do, have good dialogue despite a poorly-structured narrative. The inverse can also exist.Let me know if I need to slow down some more for you.
>>732506890That's Chloe.
>>732507248Reminder that Oboro was paid DLC for Warriors
Oboro's popularity still lasted long enough that she replaced Elise for the character vote DLC. She fucking won.
>people used to non stop complain about Fatesawakening shilling because of some TCG cards, FEH units or whatever the fuck>worst FE Fodlan gets 2 games and a spinoff and probably more shit to come>nobody bats an eye
Why did Oboro fall off so hard in popularity anyways? She's top tier as far as BR characters go, and is real competition with the CQ characters.
>>732505391if you're gonna call her fat, at least have an accurate picture of her
>>732507530As if FE Warriors wasn't basically Awakening Warriors, dishonest fag
>>732507530FEtards love boring slop like 3H.
>>732507563Not a main character, not a royal, and not obvious fanservice. So she's not gonna get shilled by IS and fans are gonna dwindle eventually
>>732507606>>>/feg/Go back
>>732507530Oldfags were more vocal back then but I think most of them are too beaten down now to care anymore.
>>732507291Regardless the point I'm making is that writing isn't just looking at one area of it and then saying it's good, you also have to look at as a whole. You were trying to bring up those examples as older games having "better writing" but I also brought up how Ephraim unironically is less punished by its narrative than Alear, so what's the point? Some older games supposedly have better written dialogue (even though the examples you posted aren't really that spectacular) but also have worse written protagonists?
>>732507630also what fucking game did TMS shill the most? Awakening too
>>732507563>as far as BR characters gothat's why. everyone collectively agreed birthright and rev sucked, so any character exclusive to those routes fell of a fucking cliff.
>>732507427I still love my little racist.
>>732507248Assassins in Fire Emblem look like THAT?!
>>732507747Lyon taking the stone from Ephraim is a better punishment than anything in Engage.
>>732507893Always did
>>732507853Would Orbro use 4chan as one of our femanons?
>>732506265>Storyfags just like FE's with shitty maps but 30minute exposition dumps before and after each chapter telling you why it was an important battle lmao.Engage has maybe the longest exposition dumps, though. The problem is that it's badly written.How many times do we cut away for a ten minute sequence of the Hounds yelling at each other? How many backstories did they pound into us when the character just dies the next chapter anyways?
>>732507971No way, she'd stay as far away from Nohrchan as possible. she'd only post on Hoshiddit.
Are you ready for your new Avatar?
>>732507971she'd be like the chinese spammers on /k/, /pol/ and /his/ that dump endless posts on historical events about how (country they don't like) sucks and all their women were prostitutes
>>732507902>punishmentIf anything, it solidifies Ephraim as a Gary Stu. Lel tells him that he's completely right in going forwards to kill Lyon, he tries to kill Lyon, and he gets frozen in place by overwhelming power so that Lyon can take the stone and smash it. The scene completely absolves Ephraim of responsibility when it could've easily shown a character flaw from Ephraim like it did with Eirika.
>>732507213>He has. He literally doesn't remember most of his past life and wouldn't recall this.Again, this is a plot hole. The reason a future Alear comes to the past is to destroy the dragon shard in the past, to make one not be present in the future.Our Alear thus couldn't have met a future Alear, unless you accept that it's a plot hole that Komuro never thought about.
>>732508089>How many backstories did they pound into us when the character just dies the next chapter anyways?it's been a while, but only like 2 iirc. Just Griss and Zephia.
>>732508098My avatar is Dietrich as he is the closest male to me I've seen so farUnless we get an Alfred expy
>>732507747>you also have to look at as a whole.I AM looking at it as a whole, and I insist Engage is worse. Lets focus in on this point of contention regarding Ephraim's supposed lack of vulnerabilities. I would argue that there is no issue here. MUST a hero be punished like Alear is? MUST they suffer? Or is that the modern expectation? At the end of the day, the hero of the story is there to be the hero. Whether they're a classical hero or a modern hero is simply a choice. Or are you going to tell me all the classic tales of mythological heroes are objectively wrong?Now if you were talking about obvious, glaring plot holes or contrivances, that's another matter. But a hero isn't bad simply because they're not made to suffer or didn't suffer enough.
Me as the blonde
>>732507530When Fatesawakening got a Warriors game, it had Oboro and Hinoka, characters nobody cared about anymore.When Houses got a Warriors game, it had literally everyone people wanted, even Rhea was playable. The only missing one people complained about was Judith.Warriors games are pure fanservice. But one did it better than the other. Shit, Lyn had to be added to Warriors at the last second.
>>732508173SEX
>>732508180Obviously of course writing is subjective, but I'd argue Alear is unironically a more compelling protagonist than Ephraim because he does actually struggle and has flaws.
>>732508162>it's been a while, but only like 2 iirc. Just Griss and Zephia.You forgot Marni's monologue on the boat ride just before she dies.
>>732508348I argue the opposite on grounds that Ephraim looks a lot cooler and fucks his sister.
>>732508412>He doesn't know
>>732508412Alear also fucks his sister though. Ephraim does look cooler, i'll give you that.
>>732508412>and fucks his sisterAlear also does that
Test
>>732508454>>732508458>>732508471Non-canon.
>>732508412Alear does too
>>732508140>character is too headstrong, consistent with earlier characterization, and tries to confront the antagonist before they're ready>fails to succeed at what he set out to doThat sounds like a punishment to me.
>>732505834The pirates were extremely overwhelming but I managed to get by through dodging. Unfortunately Marcus dies and the Silver Lance ran out of uses but at least I got Rutger's killing edge
>>732508172Cai probably looks the most like meDietrich is the one I'll probably gravitate to for gameplayLeda has the potential to be elder god tier waifuTheodora ...
Regardless of writing quality, I'll automatically like a protagonist better if they can fuck their sister, that I'll admit.
>>732508621
>>732508676Will FW grace us with sister-fucking?
>LancebreakerI should call her...
>>732508675Theodora took your breath away, huh?
>>732507893Yes.
>>732508714Sorry anon, too problematic for 3H fans
>>732508172Poor Cai. Unless they pull a crazy Dimitri-tier twist with him mid-game, his popularity's gonna be stuck in the dirt.
Lissa
>>732508794Falcom-ass nigga.
>>732508565That'd be some decent fanfiction if Ephraim didn't already just kick Lyon's ass, with Lyon using magic that is never mentioned or acknowledged to immobilize Ephraim.
Why the fuck can't IS just make one game with good gameplay, character designs, writing and art? Why do they always fuck at least two of them up?
>>732508758I Got My Assassin Pregnant And Now We're On The Run
>>732508823Come to think of it, he does look like a Trails character. I have this horrific mental image of IS revisiting a country in the 3H setting every few entries and making it their Temu Trails.
>>7325087863H literally allows you to marry your students, and Dimigard shippers basically are shipping two step siblings, so I don't know about that.
Post Ike x Soren lemon
>>732508786...Rhea?
>>732508954Closest example I can think of, of all of the FE games I've played is Path of Radiance, but I can understand why people might not like the gameplay of PoR.
>>732508980>Dimigard shippersDimitri, bro, she'd rather die than be with you give it up already.
>>732508856>Um, specifically what tome is the evil mage antagonist using in this one moment? Heh, clearly shit writing.Really nigga?
Engage fan here. I just can't self-insert and relate to the hero unless they're a pathetic blubbering ineffectual crybaby cuck like me : (Confidence and masculinity and competence of any kind make me remember I'm not like that at all and my tummy starts to hurt
>>732508972>that spoilerI'm sickened, but curious.Someone get ISIS on the phone.
>>732475898then let me have fun by saying that all troons should kill themselves
>protagonist written as either a brave girl or a cowardly guy>the entire fanbase agrees the girl is the canon one>this has happened twice nowThey really need to get rid of Komuro. I can't play Fates or Engage as male Corrin or Alear, because they're just too faggy.
>>732509263Okay your on 4chan dude no one cares
>>732509293I like how you proved the male is the Canon one
>>732509293>Whiny bitch bitching about whiny male bitchesHome run, miss Komuro
>>732509147>Asspull moment designed purely to absolve Ephraim the Gary Stu out of all responsibility for his actionsYes, that is bad writing. Even at the end of the encounter, the "lesson" that Ephraim learns is that Lyon isn't the Demon King yet despite him having no reason to ever think that Lyon was still Lyon.
>>732508856It's not very good writing when Ephraim escapes from a promoted character from a lake castle while totally surrounded either, but Sacred Stones is far from the most egregious FE in this regard, so it's starting to feel a bit nitpicky.
>>732509505>nooooo I need to know the specific tome its etymology and the early life of its creator aaaaaaaaa asspull asspullBruh.
>>732508794All he needs is to be carrying one of them shock guns with his homies on the back or writing slurs on Sothis' temple so he can win some respect
Personally we need to have protagonists that can dress slutty like Corrin's Nohr Noble outfit. Maybe Leda will have something like hers
>>732509068Marriage with your granny-daughter-mother is encouraged in the Church of Seiros
>>732509660We get it you have agp
>>732509660Wish we got something like that with Femleth. Hers leans more towards a scholar and ditches the armor.
>>732508159All time travel plots are plot holes because time travel is inherently paradoxical and relies on everyone accepting established conventions that fall apart if you think about them.I do think that section is dumb, but it is no more stupid than all time travel stroies.
>>732509713Leda isn't a self insert character also I don't self insert even with the avatar characters.
If FW has routes I'm definitely skipping unless they grew a brain and realized that they need to not recycle maps a million times over.
>>732509862>unless they grew a brain>Intelligent Systems
>>732509765You can do time travel plots with logical consistency that make sense, like Primer.
Leda = sexTheodora = ugly ashy bitch
>>732509603More like>This spell obviously exists with the sole purpose of having Ephraim lose the Stone in a way where it's in no way his fault, weakening the narrative in every way conceivable>As proof, this power of Lyon is never mentioned, referred to or elaborated on in any way
>>732509862there will be 4 routes, but this time all the maps are the same and the last 3 chapters are exactly the same and the lords you picked just have the same lines just copy and pasted from one-another
>>732509997The evil antagonist doesn't have to explain to you why he can do evil antagonist things. He's the evil antagonist.
>>732510039Her panties are black
>>732509568Meh, that one I have far less problem with, since it serves as a narrative bait for players who think he might've actually gotten captured. In that sense, it draws the players in with Eirika into Tirado's trap, with Ephraim subverting expectation by coming in for the rescue instead of being rescued.Now, I know what you're going to say>Wait a moment, that doesn't really help Ephraim's character at all, he's still a Gary StuYes, but the actually well written character of SS in Eirika benefits from the Gary Stu moment this time, benefiting the writing as a whole.
You know what, I give up. I'm done. I will no longer expect anything from Fire Emblem other than anime girls and turn-based tactics. Fuck it.I haven't played Fates, 3H or Engage. And its been like a decade since Awakening. What do I play?
Which FE girl would have sex with me at a glance no questions asked (and only me) (I'm a virgin btw)
Gary Stu is whenever my protagonist isn't a crybaby homo who needs daddy Jagen to save him at every turn
>>732510070Sure, but that's just sidestepping the fundamental issue with the scene: Ephraim is purposefully being kept away from development as a character since he's not allowed to have flaws or make mistakes. The spell only exists so that Ephraim's actions were in no way his fault.
>>732510365>I will no longer expect anything from Fire Emblem other than anime girls and turn-based tactics. Fuck it.What else were you expecting?
>>732510210At the end of the day we can both agree Eirika sexo.
>>732510210I can get your last point, but it just makes me wish Ephraim was better written anyways, because he shares screen time with Eirika as a protagonist, has his own route and I want his character to be better written for my incest fantasies of him and his sister.
>>732510365>What do I play?Fates (ruta de conquista)
>>732510365Conquest then Engage3H is entirely skippable if you don't give two shits about the social sim aspect
>>732510467>we can both agree Eirika sexo.I dont agree
>>732510467Indeed, I'd shake on it if we were talking in person
>>732510365> I will no longer expect anything from Fire Emblem other than the core aspects of what makes fire emblem fire emblemI hate to ask: what did you think this franchise was about?
>>732508681This one wasn't as bad since I just needed Roy to be targeted by all the axe units so that Shanna could chip away at them. All of Roy's weapons broke though which made the boss annoying to fight with only Shanna but all's good now
>>732510567
>>732509765>All time travel plots are plot holesEven fucking FEH managed to pull one off without plot holes.Literally all they had to do was not make Chapter 24.
>>732510365>anime girls and turn-based tacticsIt's been that way since FE1
>>732510365Play Conquest Hard. You'll probably want to reset some point into the playthrough anyway, and then you can bump it up to Lunatic.
>>732510438>>732510563Its complicated. Suffice it to say there are other games, past and present, that are closer to want I wanted FE to be.>>732510529>>732510543Got it.
>>732510371Soleil is a lesbian so she's perfect for you, miss femanon
>>732510643A pretty alright Shanna, although she will likely use the Silver Lances a whole lot until she gets to promote.
>>732510371unless you mind control them, none
>>732509006Lemon?
>>732510723>Suffice it to say there are other games, past and present,Such as?
Speaking of time travel>Been replaying Awakening>Get to chapter where you fight Lucina>Realize that Lucina can actually kill her father in combat, even though the whole reason she went to this timeline is to save him>Finally get to chapter where Lucina finally joins you>She finally explains why she's been scarce in the story this whole time (even though she literally can fight and kill Chrom in that one chapter)>It's some very vague bullshit of not wanting to mess with the timeline in a bad way, even though she can literally kill Chrom and even though she already joined your party at this point
>>732510697Conquest hard is hard enough
>>732510756That wasn't meant to be me, but I do look like Forrest so...>>732510887I don't have mind control UNLESS...
>>732511048I don't think she kills him, just tries to cripple him so he can't go to war.But yes, everything Lucina does is stupid.
>>732475898>Let people have funNot when their "fun" involves fucking over games for other people. There has not been a single piece of media (games, music, comics, etc.) that has been improved by this tranny shit. It is truly cancer, in every sense of the word. KYS you enabling piece of shit.
>>732511092Soleil literally pegs Forrest without a shred of mercy to make him waste his seed
>>732511048I think the intention of that part was to have Lucina try to set Basilio as the Khan of Regna Ferox instead of Flavia due to his importance in future events, and defeating Chrom even without killing him is a game over in the sense that having Basilio as Khan would ironically doom the timeline instead of saving it.
>>732511148But Lucina explains that if she didn't save Chrom during the chapter where Validar tries to kill Emmeryn, he gets injured which affects the timeline, and she literally saves Chrom from being injured there.
I want to fuck Soleil in the ass...
You don't need to think about Awakening that much. Sex with Lucina.
>>732474201She's only unpopular because she's fucking dogshit. Multiply her bases by 1.5 and now she's suddenly everyone's waifu
>>732505531Uhh…
>>732511328>Soleil>BadLol?
>>732511328>soleil>badIs she? She's one of the three kid units I use.
Sex with all Fire Emblem girls
>>732511182You act like people here dont have weird random head canons
>>732511356Being a bad unit doesn't stop people from loving Mia.
>>732511437who
>>732511393Relatively yes, but you can make any of the kids good with with the right combination of class and skills
>>732511328>People suck off Silas for Sol Master Ninja which requires A+ Kaze>Laslow and Soleil do it by default and receive no fanfare
>>732511356But people love Etie and she's bad.
>>732511576Soleil has master ninja by default and easily picks up Sol from her default promotion. She is the best mid to late-game master ninja by far.
>>732511651>EtieShe's just mid.
People complain about engages unit balance but conquest literally gives you beruka and Camilla at the same time. Like why would they do that?
>>732500946People are saying that he's what a Jagen "should" be but it's not like we haven't had weaker Jagens before. The problem is that Vander is just a fucking joke. He's comically bad for no reason, other than to symbolize the idea of "weak mentor character who falls off" - he's hardly even better than the growth units during his prime and is worse in some ways. It's a little puzzling that IS made such a bad unit in a game about customizing your little scrimblos to make them good, but I guess it gives him a unique flavor. Kinda fun to try to make him good in spite of everything but yeah, he's utterly terrible, one of the worst units in series history.
The real issue with Soleil is you have to go through her hell of a chapter.
>>732511651Literally no one likes Etie here
>>732511658>She is the best mid to late-game master ninja by far.No
>>732511758>interesting level layout with a unique gimmick that isn't intrusiveHer level was based.
>>732511794I do like it, it's just hard.
>>732511791Her only competition is Kaze, who is also good but considerably weaker and less physically bulky. You might as well use both.
If you had AAA money for a fire emblem game, how would you go about it?
>>732511751>It's a little puzzling that IS made such a bad unit in a game about customizing your little scrimblos to make them goodThis "everyone has to be perfectly viable for our build autism mechanics" mentality is what's killing unit individuality in the first place.
>>732511794Her chapter is unironically one of the series' best defense maps aside from Conquest 10.
>>732511867Bro, your Shura?
>>732511914She mogs Shura though?
>>732511758It's been a long time since I replayed CQ but the only child chapter I remember truly despising was Percy's.
>>732511751The major issue with Vander is that the dude isn't even a fucking Jagen, he falls off after the first non tutorial map and he's barely even useful there since early game Marth is downright broken to the point that Alear can steamroll everything.Sigurd Louis is genuinely the game's real Jagen.
>>732511898Bad units need to have reasons to exist like Shanam's Bargain in FE5. Just making worse units isn't identity. Nobody wants to use Oujay other than contrarians.
>>732511751>one of the worst units in series historyWhile I agree with most of your post, that part is just plain false. The bad units in this series are real fucking stinkers that makes Vander look like a monster in comparison.
>>732511914Isn't that the boss who drops boots when you defeat him? How is he relevant?
>>732511898What is "individual" about Vander other than being bad for the sake of it? I made him good once with that Veronic vengeance skill, but he's flaming fucking garbage for no reason. He's not good early on like FE6 Marcus, he's not good in the middle like Frederick, he's not good from beginning to end like Seth. He's just bad for no reason while superficially appearing to be not be so bad.
>>732511969What do you consider the first non tutorial map? Because I find uses for Vander all the way until the Yunaka map.
>>732512079He's one of your best deploys statistically until like Ch9.
>>732511751>vander is so bad that killing him before chapter 10 is a net positiveVander just can't catch a break.
>>732511763I do
>>732512079>What is "individual" about VanderThat he's a Jeigan type unit, albeit one with a lower shelf life than others.
>>732512124He's fucken trash, nigga. Yeah he's "okay" filler but that is not noteworthy, Wolt is filler, Alfred is filler (who gets a lot better than Vandork). Louis mogs the shit out of him from the moment he materializes into the game.
>>732512275You can field both Vander and Louis, you know. You're not exactly hurting for slots in Firene.
>>732512079>What is "individual">He's just bad for no reason while superficially appearing to be not be so bad.I like how you answered your own question
>>732475532Byleth is the only good self-insert in the entire franchise. No, Mark does not count.They made him being a non-character part of his backstory. I was okay with that.
>>732512324People are too gba brained and think a good Jagen has to fight 10+ enemies at once
>>732512275Yet he's still not the worst character in your party at that time. And even after Ch9 he still isn't, there's plenty of people you should have benched worse than him like Etie and Anna.
>>732512335it's fake individualityIt's like when Revcopefags say uhm ackhully it's good that Nyx and Odin suck, you can just grind their problems away and it's a "challenge"
>>732512341>Byleth>GoodPick only one
>>732512275Stop posting anal provocative/twin hair pulling pictures!
>>732512090Chapter 3. He's useful at tanking the boss and creating a chokepoint, he falls off hard after that, his attacks are too unreliable and he becomes just a shitty meat shield. I've only played the game on maddening, so I don't know how salvageable he is in the other difficulties, but he was always worthless to me. For Yunaka's map, Louis does the Jagen role while Vander is my torch bitch.
>>732491720cute hortensia hairstyle
>>732512412I think a Jagen should at least be notably better than your growth units for a while, not a 5th-string deploy. Vander fails the first test of Jagenhood.
>>732512341Blocks your path
>>732512420>and it's a "challenge"Thats true thougu
>>732512469Vander is immensely helpful in Chapter 5.>But I can just bring Louis to tank hits-Bring both, now you have two units to tank some of the axenigger damage.
>>732512490Frederick is a really good Jeigan for being just a bit better than the rest of your units and thus pivotal at a time when the game's difficulty is at its highest but also growing really well. I don't think Jeigans need to be any particular way.
>>732512490That's a very GBA way to see Jeigens, they aren't much better than your growth units in most games. The main reason you use them is because being a prepromote allows them to do something that your other units can't (i.e. use the Silver Lance)
>>732511904It basically is Chapter 10: 2, this time you defend from both sides instead of just one side.
>>732512341Why did you reply to my post to say this? Also I disagree, but I don't really give a shit to start a discussion about it
>All these posts glazing up Louis as the real Jagen of EngageI thought armors were supposed to be bad, how come people like him so much?
>>732512202>vander is so bad that killing him before chapter 10 is a net positiveWhy would that be a net positive?
>>732512341
>>732512697Louis is overglazed because he was a launch month meme
Next these niggas gonna glaze Framme
>>732512202The only character who I can think of that's a net positive to kill off is Wolt.
>>732512697Babies first armor. Sigurd literally carried him
>>732510643This chapter wasn't as bad as I thought but I wasn't able to get any of the chests as I lack chest keys and Chad is dead. I also wasn't able to talk to Cath in time so I'll get her in chapter 16 the earliest. It's mostly an issue because I'm tight on money so I might have to arena abuse not for exp but for cash
>>732512341Why do 3Hfags still glaze Byleth when Shez exists and proves how awful 3H Byleth was?
>>732512697Engage is very favorable to Armors. They have relatively more movement and mobility staves like Warp and Rescue are readily available, not to mention they come in AOE forms. Great weapons also gave Armors like Louis the capability of OHKOing enemies on enemy phase.
>>732512801I'm going to go mentally prepare myself for the next chapter
>>732512697Engage is the first game to make armors decent, they still aren't great but the designated cav only having one more move makes the disparity less bad
>>732512697He's a fellow yurichad.
>>732512719>>732512820>Shez>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good(You)
>>732512597Frederick is not "a bit" better than the rest of your units lol, he utterly bodies everyone and everything for like 7 straight maps and is really strong for another 7.
>>732512902>Engage is the first game to make armors decentWhat about Doga?
>>732512750Would glaze the fuck outta her, if you catch my drift
>>732512750She's mid.
>>732475537I want to say this is a translation error but knowing Japs...
>>732513167He sucks
>>732512697He's your best combat unit from the moment he joins, and for several maps afterward. Chloefags have tried to cope her up as some kind of beast and I've even seen some Alfred cope. But Louis's stats are legit for a brief period. Then he falls off like a Jagen because armors suck.
>>732513221No one chokes the point as well as he does though
>>732512750Of course I'll glaze my girl
>>732511897Thracia 776 meets Conquest
>>732512659>I disagreeWhy? Personally I would rather FE just not have self-inserts but if I had to have one I'd prefer to have one that's not obnoxious but isn't a complete faceless blank slate. I feel Byleth was a good compromise between the two. The only downside was that he was the literal Son of God™ that all the students loved but I liked that he was just a vessel for the plot to move forward and the lords were the real main characters. If I HAVE to have a playable MC I'd like more of a cross between Mark and Byleth.
>>732512750She's not actually bad if you put her in a good fighting class, instead of the meme one she joins in. She grows comparably with any other unit and has perfect availability, don't be fooled by her being a little girl. Framme and Clanne are the Cain and Abel of Engage, after all.
>>732512697Biggest weakness of armors is their move speed and being unable to fight against magesEngage for some reason has all foot unit share 4 movement early on, so armors lose one of their main defining weaknessesLouis deals big damage. Pair that with momentum and you get an armor that unit that 1 hit kill mages before they can abuse your low res. Louis huge base damage also gives him the strongest override early gameThen once you reach chapter 12 and lose all your rings, Louis falls off hard like your typical Jagen, only managing to struggle by thanks to his inflated level.
>>732512709Vander has an extremely high ilvl and on maddening the difficulty of skirmishes is determined by your parties average ilvl. By killing him you lower your party's overall ilvl dramatically and make doing the early skirmishes without cheese or specific setups actually possible.>>732512750Framme enables some of the most degenerate strats in the game. Literally can duo with Maddening with Alear and no well use.
framme waking up blowjobs
>>732511897Open world with minor collectibles/skirmishes scattered around on it so that players never go more than 10 seconds without being made to interact with the game, with spread out important enemy encounters so that players travel long distances to reduce the effort to design the game while maximizing player attention.
>>732513401The best "self-insert" is Alear solely because he's literally just your typical lord character but you pick the name, gender and birthday. Byleth is the same shit but doesn't say anything at all and only does arm gestures so faggots can>self-insertThat's genuinely the worst fucking type of avatar that you can have.
>>732511897Edgelord gothy FE like those vampire FE mockups
>>732513786Byleth makes a sad face after Jeralt dies and I identified with that.
Yeah not taking the opinions of people who does this at all.
>>732513786To be honest the retard appearance significantly drops Alear in my eyes. I just don't agree with the design of characters like Alear, Hortensia, Panette, Yunaka...But I do appreciate your reasoning for why you prefer Alear. Personally I long for the game where your self insert isn't the MC's best friend or a reincarnated god or whatever. They are just a guy in the army with no significance whatsoever but in exchange you can completely customise what kind of unit they are. It'd be tough to balance such a unit so I don't imagine we'll ever get that (not to mention it ruins the Japanese power fantasy of having an OP self insert) but I can dream.
Thread's over. Go play Fire Emblem.
>>732514001>They are just a guy in the army with no significance whatsoever but in exchange you can completely customise what kind of unit they are.So Vaan from FFXII, nobody liked him.
next thread make it framme spats op
And you cry about losing the fursuit awards piss pants!
>>732514031Or we can just make a new thread
>>732514031haven't finished fapping though
^ gross subhuman
>>732514104
>>732514091Yeah, people want to feel like their self insert is important and doing things in the story because "if they don't contribute anything to the narrative then why do they exist?" so I bet it's an unpopular concept. But Mark is (somewhat) fondly remembered by everyone I have talked to about it in person so it's possible. Maybe having them be playable is the problem.
I like mute protagonists and characters. There, I said it. Fuck Zelda for including more and more voice shit.
>>732514356Same, my friend. Honestly I have recently discovered that I have a thing for characters in masks. As soon as they take off the mask my interest in the character drops significantly.
>>732514031I've been playing other RPGs with actual good stories instead.
>>732514468Time to get really into Kamen Rider and super sentai, anon.
>>732514468>SpoilerUltra based. All the mystique is gone when that happens.
>>732514031No, I don't think I will
>>732511651I remember when the well came out and joking about what would come out if you threw her down there
>>732511356Just from Tellius poeple love Ike, who's considered dogshit, Soren, who's a mage in a game where mages are dogshit, and Neph when she's a huge resource sink to be mid at best.
I'm bored, with absolutely nothing in mind to play, so I think I might play PoR again.Which supports give "special" stuff in RD? I know there's Ike x Soren and Mist x Jill, but I don't know about any of the others. Should I play on Newgame+? >Just download a save file onlineI don't want to, I want to make my own transfers
>>732514680Por is easy enough so that doesn't matter
>>732514218>>732514562Velouria marking her territory on me
>>732514851There really is no reason to use Nephenee on Maniac, though. On Hard you can BEXP her but BEXP is at a premium in Maniac. Why would you dump all that effort into a unit that's worse than Oscar?
I like Shadows
>>732514742
>>732512864Oh yeah btw this is my Roy
>>732514218>>732514562unwashed pussy
did someone say mask
>>732515020I'm Sirius, by the way
>>732511990You made me remember that one screenshot letsplay of a dude that forced himself into a ranked run and hated every second of it.
>>732515056I’m Shirley, and don’t call me serious
>>732512697Louis min-maxed his stats (he's basically a slightly less strong more defensive Amber who constantly gets sucked off because of muh strength) and doesn't suffer from typical Armor issues due to lower movement across the board and smaller maps. And because of the reclass system after the early game he can just get a fucking horse as GK and continue to coddle your army until your ring situation stabilizes and then by endgame he's merely in the top 5 or 10 of your main force, truly cursed he is
>>732515079This screenshot perfectly encapsulates the scrimblofag mindset.
>>732514939>on Maniac,The average player isn't playing on the hardest difficulty
>>732515221Thanks, Captain Obvious.
>>732515172>that win ratioWell, he is still an armor after all.
>>732514939Nephenee isn't an issue on Maniac, I always train her up along with Marsha, Kevin, and Jill
Armors are a bellcurve>Low IQI trained my armors for 999 turns and they were good>MidwitsNOOOO MUH 4 MOV MAKES THEM UNUSABLE>High IQArmors have high strenght and defense, making them good for their specific purpose holding a choke, keeping your early game squishies safe in formation or for deleting enemies early on as a second Jagen of sorts
>>732515354Switch midwit and high IQ. Armorfags are always trying to find things for armors to do, but the fact is, you don't need to hold chokes in Fire Emblem, you need to just kill things and they have trouble reaching things to kill.
ignore ltc logic faggotsyour 1000 turn grind armor is as significant to armor discussion as any other
I'm still confused about these jegan characters. is quan a jegan? in my game he was a beast and had like 26 str by the time he left.
>>732515460Armors are extensively used in most games LTCs, especially FE5, FE6, FE7, FE11, FE12 and some more but that's good enough.
>>732515514Retard, people don't exclude those things because they're LTC elitists, they exclude them because including things like grinding and feeding stat boosters makes anyone good, thus eliminating any discussion in the first place.
Armorfags kneel at paladinchads. every time
Why even have armours have lower movement when they already have the baggage of being an armour unit and typically slow and weak to magic?
>>7325156134 doesn't really have one in the traditional sense so they tried to meme Oifey into being a thing
>>732515658>>732515614humorous
>>732515614no they're not
>>732515738To be fair FE6 only counts if it's an LTC that recruits everybody.
>>732515697>PaladinGreat Knight bros, we are forgotten.....
>>732515713Because defense is the strongest stat if you get it high enough. When armors are bad, it's usually because they're not given enough defense compared to other characters, making them compete for their own niche.
>>732515804Try being a Duke Knight bro. We haven't been seen since the sweltering summer of 2000.
>>732512415Only Louis has real bulk in Firene and most of the cast are incapable of ORKOing enemies. Etie's suspect bulk is far from an issue and she hits reasonably hard while avoiding counters. Hell, base Etie can still contribute in the first Brodia maps because there's enough random fliers for her and Alcryst to exist together.Vander cant even claim to be all that good from chapter 5 which is a failure of the archetype.
>>732515732Quan would basically be the perfect Jagen if FE4 was a normal FE>does big dick damage but can’t double>paladin movement and uber canto>literally just up and leaves after a couple chapters so you can’t rely on him long term
>>732515614Did you type that thinking a single person would believe it?
>>732516024You're free to actually watch an LTC on Youtube sometime.
I gotta say, its nice seeing people actually discuss the games
>>732515172Amber is a diet Panette and Louis/Etie are diet Ambers in terms of strength.
relay doko
>>732516092Amber and Panette have the same STR growth they hit most of the same thresholds supposing you bother to level him. His skill is shit though
