A local anon put out a demo for UT Naranja recently. Anyone get a chance to play it yet? Its crazy thinking of the number of games that have actually come out of here in over the years. The fact that yellow inspired several games all itself is still great. It reminds me that /v/ still is about video games sometimes.Discuss Naranja, and any other fan projects that have really grabbed your attention lately
Hope this one lasts.
>Throw me ideas before I...zZzzZzzAnon taking draw ideas, still here?
>>732528443reminder that ceroba is fat
>>732528443https://rentry.org/mtt-fangames#mtt-brand-fangame-archiveThe fangames archive for anyone who wants to play Naranja
waiting to see when someone will draw art of the naranja snakethough I hope naranjanon considers making her an actual snake instead of anthro
>>732529038Nice, gonna have time to give it a shot finally tomorrow. I havent seen any screenshots of the battles, and while spoilers are a thing, Im itching to see what it's like
>>732529134the toby thing to do would to keep her body hidden until the end of the game where it's revealed she's a head on tiny chicken legs and nothing else
>>732529134understood, normal snake with legs at the end
>>732529134What about a naga?Noodle to squeeze and hands to hold
>>732529038Saved so I can check them out sometime.>>732528790Yeah.
>>732529134She could be a snake who's friends with a dullahan and sticks her body down the dullahan's shirt to look anthropomorphicThough if we're putting that much effort into it she'd have to be more than a shopkeeper
>>732529038Why can't any of you make a Gamejolt page like normal people?
>>732529345You have to remember, hissy boots is still going to maybe be a thing. How many snakes can we afford here?
>>732529463naranjanon said he'd do it once he has at least the first area fully finished
>>732529463you want them to make gamejolt pages for games that are extremely early on their development?
>>732529397https://litter.catbox.moe/pmgjal.png
>>732529464What does our leg budget look like?
>>732529464What if there was a whole sub-area where all the snake people lived together, like how Snowdin attracts a lot of fluffy folk?
>>732529583Kill yourself
>>732529397>Yeah.NTA, but would you be willing to do Ceroba and an Anon hugging?
What if they were all Martlet?
>>732529738
>>732529595Currently even, we have two important monsters with legs (Zaer and Bedo) and two important non legged monsters (Luzma and Pastra), which means that the next monster to be revealed could have 2 legs or no legs
>>732530072Are there any fangames (not just from here, in general) with major quadruped characters?
>>732529620Like the tem village except with snakes>>732529595Theres probably a monater with like 60 legs, so everyone else had to he snakes
>>732529595>t. Mettaton
>>732530072Or two with one leg each.
>>732530281or a character with four legs and another with minus two legs
>>732530149I think Wildfire will have a Temmie as part of the main cast?
>>732530432>another with minus two legsI want that visualized.
Hey guys, it's me the Martlet Drawanon!Back again to post another finished request!Didn't get a chance to post this on the last thread.This requested image idea, or similar ideas was brought up many times. Honestly it's one of the most requested ideas sent my way, and it's not hard to see why. I spent a a fair bit of time, trying to figure out how to draw it, and I can say without a doubt, I had a lot of fun drawing this, so thank you all for requesting this!The request in question was Ceroba standing between Martlet and Zenith Martlet, and being incredibly self conscious that her chest is nowhere near as big the birds.Or another way to describe the image, big, small, and very big,I hope I captured the idea well!You can view the image here:https://files.catbox.moe/20yajj.pngAs always thank you all for the encouraging words!And now to work on the next requests!
>>732530503it has two sockets were its legs should be, either that or it steals your legs when you look at it
>>732529134the snake has a name btw
I'm still interested in the Poker Night discussion.
>>732530636Ow, my legs.
>>732530535That image is freaking hilarious, Ceroba's face is priceless.
>>732530791Does the character that you play as give you any special ability?What about some iteractions between the chracters? I could see Val tormenting Racter just for the fun of it, either that or insisting on fighting because he heard of how strong monster with human souls are meant to be
>>732530742what is it
>>732530535Dunno, her breasts look about the same. Should be more obvious that she has a flatter chest compared to Martlet, but I just don't see it here.
>>732530165>>732530432>>732530636Imagine a minuspede with only 4 legs and the rest of its body being covered in leg sockets
>>732530984Quetzali, which is apparently an actual name used in Mexico for women
>>732531045Thats funny, its life goal is to get a leg up on the competition
>>732530535does the concept of clothes elude you
>>732531009I can see it, Ceroba's breasts a noticeably smaller than Martlet's and Zenith's is very clearly bigger than the both of them.
>>732531248NTA, but she's smaller relative to them, but not really small by herself. They're good breasts.
>>732531304I think that's kind of the point, she's smaller compared to both Martlet's, and she's conscious about her size compared to them.
>>732530535There's something I've started to wonder from seeing all these images of Martlet and Zartlet together.What if they were separate characters? You can imagine that Zartlet is her sister or clone or something, but she keeps her serious personality.
>>732531464Yeah, but I mean the image itself just labels her breast size as being "small", when it's really not.
>>732531730Would medium be more appropriate then?I just went with the requests descriptions.
>>732530503Could be someone who lost their legs.
>>732530939Well no you play against the characters, you're you "The Player". The fun is having the characters interact with eachother and yourself.Like what would Racter say if they outwitted you.How would Val to talk to someone like YogurtThings like that, it's like a creative writing exercise.
>>732531915Yeah, medium sounds more accurate.
>>732531942Nah, that'd just be 0 legs, that anon said "minus two legs", which is a negative amount of legs, and I wanna know what that is.
>>732532075Like Val could punch the table in half if he was the last one standing and you knocked them out.
Fuck it, it's still the same weekend I finished the image in, so I'm reposting it for anyone who missed it, since the last thread got purged.Here's the Ceroba lactation image: https://files.catbox.moe/hkkmu7.pngThe Martlet image is currently underway as I type this, and should be finished relatively soon.
>>732532170But what if the guy with more legs stole them from that guy?
>>732532337That'd be a net-negative of legs, but not an actual negative amount of legs.I want to know what a tangible negative amount of legs would be.
>>732530535Ceroba breastfeeding Clover, please
>>732529583I was expecting worse
>>732532512Someone with legs made of anti-leg, vaporizing any leg that crosses their event horizon.
>>732532640I don't think you know how antimatter works, but sure, I'll take it.
>>732530503Multi-dimensional entity whose legs are stuck in a parallel universe. You can see their mirror image coming up through his torso and above his head, and when the entity tries to walk forward it goes backward
>Riley, I am not interested in conflicted antagonists. Nor, for that matter, is anyone else. People want a bad guy they can hate unequivocally. Someone whose brutal demise they can cheer without remorse. Life, sadly, rarely treats them to such a luxury. And here are all these actors, trying to muddy things with moral complexity. Fuck that, I say. And I'll not have it. I am not the hero in my own story. I am the bad guy. I have no end in mind that justifies my means. There are no skeletons in my closet, no abusive childhood or inciting misery that might expiate my vile behavior. Nor am I insane. I know the difference between good and evil. And I am fully capable of empathizing with the pain, emotional or physical, of others. No sociopath, I. Rather, I simply prefer bad over good. Wrong over right. Dirty over clean. Sick over healthy. Untrue over true.
Antilegs are just arms.
>>732530535Made a small edit to the image.Nerfed Ceroba's breasts more.You can view the edited image here:https://files.catbox.moe/wwha8r.png
>>732532728I said anti-leg, not antimatter.
>>732532945>Nerfed Ceroba's breasts more.Well now that's just mean.
>>732533014Antilegs made of antimatter, annihilating any normal legs made of normal matter they come in contact with.
>>732532630Wonder bread?
>>732533019honestly a few artists could stand to do it, a lot of the time they're weirdly disproportionate
>>732533019Can't get Ceroba's hopes up. Remember her breasts are small in canon.
>>732530939I wonder if Oldentale dev could be here to provide input or naranja dev
>>732533169>in canon.What is canon, to the power of imagination?
>>732533109worser
>>732533154Big boobs are nice, how dare you.
>>732533350yes, but there's a such thing as too big
>>732533327Vore? Scat? Floor tiles?
>>732533436worse than all that and my vague posting
>>732528443I wanted to release another update on Naranja, but I had a very busy day so I couldn't, that being said, I've read your posts on the previous thread so I'll reply to some of them>snake girl having hair like that while not being an anthro or anything feels a bit off.Even if she were feral she would still have "hair" feathered snakes are usually represented with crowns of feathers>normal/feral snake>It'd feel more like an actual monster, as opposed to just being another furry design,I have to agree, I actually think she is one of my blandest designs because she looks too much like a normal snake anthro, on top of that her design doesn't communicate "feathered snake" that much, before I released the demo I actually tried to give her a mask, to make the reference more obvious, the problem was that I had already drawn all her other facial expression and the idea of having to redraw them made me feel lazy, besides drawing that mask is going to be a pain once I have to make her dialogue box portraitsNow some of you might be thinking I've put too much thought on a one off character, well, thats because this won't be the last you will see of her>maybe give her 6 limbs to she is a bit weird tooyou won't believe this, but I already have a mini boss with 4 arms planned, and I was thinking on making a salamander enemy with six/eight legs too (as a reference to Randall from Monsters Inc)
>>732533436some dude has a scuba diver or snorkeling fetish or something
>>732533885>spoilerKek. Well I dunno what you consider ultra bad.
>>732533904Hello dev anonI haven't played your game (yet), but I just wanna know, how long did it take learn how to program and draw to release a playable game?Stuff like that takes a lot time and commitment, and I would love to make something (not necessarily Undertale related)
>>732532945You did gods work. Small chested Ceroba is the way to go.
>>732528443isn't there a problem with making more games based the souls? if you work backwards, each soul died earlier, with the last soul dying waiting for toriel to return with her pie
>>732533980it's not even an actual fetish pic, it's just a request
>>732530535>>732532945Love them both drawanon.Lovely set of breasts to look at.
>>732534331Its ok to make her wait
>>732533904>>732529354Yes, I did think about giving her a non humanoid body type, XCOM 2 is literally my favorite game after all, adding a snake character was only a matter of time, but I still went with an anthro
>>732535395maybe she needs some patterns so it looks less bland?
>>732531595Martlet and Zenith Martlet are 100% the same the person. It's just that in the context of this image, Ceroba is drawn between Martlet and her Zenith form.Martlet in the Genocide route, Neutral or Pacifist are also all the same person, just experiencing and dealing with different things.
>>732530535Would love to see more additions to the Clover reborn as a bird monster, and Martlet becoming his mum set of images.
>>732534125>how long did it take learn how to program and draw to release a playable game?I had some previous programing experience from a Java course I took before I began to learn how to code in Godot, the course was like 9 months long with 4 hour long classes every day, but I don't really remember a good chunk of it, what I do remember from it were the basics of coding, like variables, functions and classes, if you were to learn from scratch on your own then it should take much less time, I made Naranja with the Godot engine and I programed the game using the GDScript coding language, its not the most efficient language but it is very easy to learn compared to C# (which is used by Unity and it can be used with Godot), since I first ever opened Godot, until I released the Naranja demo a week ago, it took me a bit over 2 years, but I'm sure that if I had someone on my "team" it could have taken much less, diving tasks like game test and having a second opinion would have speed up things>drawI still consider myself a pretty bad at it, drawing usually takes me a lot of time. before starting Naranja I didn't know anything about drawing, so you could say that it took me another 2 years to get to my current level, I did watch some art tutorials and took a few classes from an online course too (but I never went too far with said course)If I have to give you a tip in this whole game dev thing, is that try to be constant, make something for your game everyday, even if its tiny, even coming up with game design or story ideas would count towards that "something", even the smallest amount of progress builds up at the end of the day, but don't feel to guilty if you don't make progress a for a day or two, avoiding burnt out is important too
>>732528443Can someone explain why there’s so much autism over the Martlet unbirthing stuff, or is it just a few guys super into it?
>>732535521I meant bland as in "not monstrous enough" not "design is too simple", some of the most important Undertale character have pretty simple designs, and there is only so much you can cram into a single sprite
>>732535395I know redrawing the mask onto every sprite or whatever is a pain, but Id still love to see some of the shop sprites with her putting it on or a chance for her to be wearing it maybe? I don't know, i just like it. The top sprite is also cool
>>732535847Few guys super into it. The artist did some stuff not related to it that was really well done, and the discussion around it led to people theorizing abiut the non fetish aspects to the situation. Its really not as big of a deal as people are making it
>>732535864If I don't give her the mask as her default look, then I will definitely make a reference to the mask and make her wear it at some pointI'm still considering it, but I already the real problem are the dialogue box portraits, I'm sure a skilled artist could pull it off, but I'm not on that level
>>732535847There isn't.Those that like it either came from e6, or just come to like it here, or not mind it.Plus people seem to be more interested in the ideas it creates rather than the unbirthing itself.
>>732535956>>732536090the problem is its not really possible to separate it, the unbirth shit is still the basis of it.
>>732536302Its easy to seperate it because the absolute majority of the posts just discuss it from the basis of martlet simply absorbing clovers soul. Then all of the moral discussion which was about clovers actions and martlets views on them.
>>732530535Damn, nice.Good stuff dude.
>>732536078Understandable, still at least I like the masked version you showed above
>>732530535How can I make one request???
>>732535395Give her the ability to switch between feral and anthro form
>>732536987You make a request by just replying to the Martlet Drawanons post with a request, or something you'd like to see them draw.It could be something related to what they've already drawn, or something else.Regardless you just post your request, and if it's appealing, or requested a lot by other anons then it may very well be drawn.
The Ketsukanes enjoying a family meal. Hey, where'd that kid go...?
>>732530535>DrawanonCan you make one nsfw of clover mating with martlet??? We need more clovlet nsfw
Sex with Clover.
>>732535395havent played naranja demo yet, what's her personality like?
fangames are cringe
>>732537617Go be a nigger somewhere else janny.
>>732537617Fangamea are life. Trick tony got his start on them even
>>732536302It's incredibly easy to separate ideas or other concepts from it.The idea of Martlet absorbing Clover's soul, in no way has to involve that. It's simply just idea.You can adopt the idea or branch of from it.
>>732530535Game Over Screen with Ceroba and Flowey commentaryhttps://files.catbox.moe/903i04.gifGame Over Screen with Martlet and Flowey commentaryhttps://files.catbox.moe/l7v5j9.gifWe need a Zenith Martlet game over screen.These are so good, and funny. Patiently waiting for you do the next one.
>>732529738>>732529784500 birds>Axis Martlet is just her wearing a wooden costumekek>>732530535>>732532945Top unf. I prefer the second one in terms of size, but I like how they're all jacked. Their muscles are an underrated feature of the image.
>>732535395Would Val play poker?
>>732538994I might be missing something, but only Martlet and Zenith Martlet are shown with toned, or athletic body.Ceroba's body looks to be a fairly normal female figure. Also I agree Ceroba's breast size in the second image works a lot better.
hey (you)yeah (you)give me your kanaclover ideas to doodle, the more specific the better
>>732539691them at a romantic candle-lit dinner looking at each lovingly other from across the table
>>732539691Kanako kisses Cole for the first time, after choosing to no longer hide her feelings from him.
>>732539691Kanako showing herself off post-workout, and Clover checking her out(oh, and make sure her abs are showing. she's probably also sweating so she's cooling off with a towel)
>>732539691they both running on all fours around the living roomchujin attempting to ignore the mayhem while reading a book
>>732539691Kanako interacting with bird Clover, telling him looks handsome and attractive regardless of the form.Clover is blushing profusely at being told this by Kanako. Perhaps you could use this bird Clover designhttps://files.catbox.moe/568jzf.png
>>732539691Yuri KanaClover outfit swap.
>>732530535Here's a wholesome ideas, Martlet with baby bird Clover. Or Zenith Martlet with baby bird Clover.
>>732540365I actually like this idea. In general I like wholesome stuff, and the Martlet drawanon has drawn some good wholesome stuff before.
>>732535767Thanks for taking time to write all that, I do appreciate for all the infoI will try to be consistent tooBut I'm curious, why did you decide to make Naranja with Godot rather than Game Maker?Wasn't Undertale Yellow also made in Game Maker?I don't know anything game deving, so I'm not sure if it's easier or not programming Undertale's gameplay using Godot Oh and also, your art looks fine. You were still able to create a cute looking character
>>732540598nta but from what I heard gamemaker is a pain in the ass to work with bigger projects
>>732539691I just want to see them happy together. I never cared about shipping until I came here.
>>732532778seeing things like this, it's hard to actually conceptualize who pacifist Val is.
>>732539691Kanako seeing Cole again for the first time since he had to leave town (a happy reunion)
>>732531182She's cute
undertale yellow 2 updatehttps://darkworldraltzy.itch.io/undertale-yellow-2/devlog/1355327/24-no-rtp-needed-any-morehope they added kanako in this one
>>732542027Kanako needs to wear less.How many upskirt shots ya reckon Cole sneaks?
>>732537278Haha. Who would combine those two universes?
them
>>732535561One can cope hard enough and have two Martlets in one timeline! Dem birds deserve happiness.
>>732539863i forgot the towel but i really got into this, hope u rike it anon
>>732546980Holy shit Sig, nta but that's top tier stuff!Also if you see this, I wanted to let you know that I made a small fanart (or tried to) based on your amalgako. Hope you like it!
>>732547528Shit, I messed up and uploaded the not final thing. This is the one!
>>732546980Holy shit, thats good, nice to see you again Sig, out of curiosity, have you played the Naranja demo?
>>732546980holy thighs, abs, and uh, everythingwasn't expecting you to do a full sketch, but needless to say I'm impressed
>>732546980Glad to see you again Sig, and as expected you delivered a banger of an image!Kanako worked out a lot it appears.
This thread is eating well!>>732530535>>732532945Top grade unf is all I can say. You knocked it out of the park Martlet Drawanon!I appreciate you made the effort to give Ceroba her actual breast size, and I love the expressions to.Martlet and Zenith Martlet look hot as always.>>732546980A surprise Sig appearance, with another quality Kanaclover piece.It's great to see your stuff here again, and as always you drew Clover and Kanako exceptionally well.Here's hoping we get to see you draw Martlet again, as you drew both forms in a very appealing way.Thanks for the top grade quality arts you two!
>>732543937What about them?
>>732528443I thought Naranja was pretty good The humor is great I love the deundes, and the concrete dragging sound, the really shitty tutorials Zaer gives you, and the constant Waku Waku attitude that Val has. The new lore is interesting too I don't know what's up with Shadow Boxer, but its definitely more than just Val hallucinating too hard and hurting himself matrix style, it has to be something more, and if it isn't. it should be. I like the explorer's guild, I think its a really neat concept, and the out of bounds areas are absolutely the right fit for Undertale's setting. Explorers constantly looking for areas to clip out of map geometry, in the hopes they can find new areas out of bounds for monsters to live in is a really cool concept. Makes me wonder when we might see those areas, and what we might find there. Also is a good explanation for why none of this appears in the main game, its canonically inaccessible from the areas in Undertale. Also I like the snake, and I hope she stays a snake, rather than being an anthro.
>>732539691Clover faceplants while skiing at Honeydew Lodge and looks annoyed while Kanako is giggling.>>732543937>Martlet says, while going topless>>732546980Awooga. That is really nice.
>>732529463Can't speak for the other anons (that includes Naranja), but I do it to avoid drama. There's a lot of mentally ill people with too much time on their hands in the Undertale community, and they really get off on dragging others down. Undertale fangames get killed all the time by petty drama over somebody saying a no no word, or sexualizing a character that they've decided is off limits, or just thinking a bad thought. So being a fangame dev from 4chan is just asking for trouble. Better to head it off at the pass and remove the chance for any drama by doing everything anonymously. No Discord, no Twitter, no Gamejolt. People can just trade my game around like shareware (because it is).
>>732529134I think I might draw her (forma de snake)
>>732535395Lame. Just don't give her an overworld sprite at all if its really that much of a sticking point for you. Or you know, just accept that its possible for a snake and a worm to exist without being related.
>>732550486Maybe she has magically-powered prosthetics to let her move around easier?https://youtu.be/1SgGfMlbCoM
>>732530149Underswap has a bunch of demonic Temmies as the main villains.
>>732550416>being a fangame dev from 4chan is just asking for troublethe fuck are they going to do? cancel an anonymous game dev?
>>732533181I feel like playing as Racter would suck because the guy would definetly have a bad poker face. And unlike someone like Frisk or Kirs, he never shuts up, so he runs the risk of verbally telling as well. Of course, poker didn't exist in XXXXXXXX BC (Any of those Xs could be 0s, so don't bother counting digits) so he may not properly know if he has a bad hand, so he may act scared when he has good hand as well. He'd also talk directly to (you) a lot, and then have to play it off like he wasn't, so people don't figure out he's possessed.
>>732532075not naranja anon, but I imagine Val being like Strongbad in Poker Night.
>>732541657Genocide Val is that. Pacifist Val is Goku's light of the universe speech.
>>732533109Ceroba buying wonder bread
>>732533904Anon, I feel like yelling at you right now because of your logic here. No, having two snake shaped characters is not redundant. There are too many bipedal upright monsters in Undertale, adding two snakes in the same room is just balancing things out.
>>732550607No, because that makes her design still a boring normal scaly
>>732540598nta, but Gamemaker is a shit engine. Its only purpose is to make small scale 2d indie games, yet it has the system requirements of a massive 3d AAA engine. Godot is much more fit for purpose than modern Gamemaker.
>Naranja demo finally comes out>90% of the discussion around it is centered on people complaining about the snake not being feral and Naranja anon giving a dumb excuse to not make her feral
>>732534331They don't have to enter the Underground at the same point and take the same trip through it, and there's no rule saying that the area has to be the same as it is now when they went through it. Maybe the Ruins were still a populated, if slowly dying, city like Detroit, when ribbon girl went through it. So you could have a whole bunch of areas there.
>>732535395I am saying this with conviction anon. Go with the top sprite. Do not use the bottom one. The game will be better for it.
>>732537617
>>732539691Kanako and Clover looking through old family photos. The pictures of Chujin go all the way back to grainy photos of him in a WW2 uniform and a painting of him as a samurai.
>>732542357How long has this been a thing?
>>732550851I wouldn't be anonymous if I had a large presence on a social media site like Gamejolt.
>>732550416>Undertale fangames get killed all the time by petty drama over somebody saying a no no wordkeep in mind that most of those projects die not because of cancelation itself, but because the devs give into the pressure due to being part of the cult themselves, or simply trying to save face because they are active in those spaces.
>>732551485Well this has been an ongoing problem in Undertale fangames and he has the solution RIGHT THERE. He doesn't even need to make new sprites, he already has them.
>>732551485People are being fuckwits for no reason besides autism. Have her be anthro and have some other feral snake lady later in the game. Let's you have variety.
>>732551873>but because the devs give into the pressure due to being part of the cult themselves, or simply trying to save face because they are active in those spaces.Which is why I don't want to make myself a part of those spaces. People are free to reupload my game to gamejolt if they want, I just don't want to have a publicly facing presence associated with the game.
>>732551934But she looks better as a feral, and already appears in the game as one. He'd have to change the shop graphics if he wanted to stick with that anthro design, since the pose she's doing in the shop only works with a feral body.
>>732551934>>732551969There is a possible solution to this dilemma >>732537101 You could even make it so she needs to put on/remove the mask in order to switch forms
>>732550905What does BC mean in this context? Before Chara?
>>732553008Use your IMAGINation
>>732541657>>732551029Val still acts like an asshole even when sparing enemies, so he is not that close to Goku
Hot souls eating beans
>>732551938becoming a part of that space doesnt instantly make you prone to the same failings as them.the reason why they always, ALWAYS give in is because they crave attention more than trying to complete their game. the second it looks like they might lose attention they bend over backwards to correct it, and if they lose their attention anyways they just drop it.by not feeding the cancel cult and just ignoring it, you can stop the attempts.additionally, making an alt and not interacting with the community is a surefire way to stop any cancelation attempts as well.
>>732554079>so he is not that close to GokuSomeone didn't watch OG Dragonball
>>732554084Did Joey just drop his UTY playthrough?
>>732554294I just think I'd rather avoid people in general, because having to deal with a 500 page doc accusing me of being a pedo because some schizophrenic decided they hated me sounds like a lot of trouble
>>732537617This, it's funny people saying that Yellow is a good game when is mediocre, the only good things about it are the OST and some mechanics.
>>732554423Joey? I dont know your daft friends, mate.
>>732554710The mediocre aspect of UTY is the story, the gameplay is better than Undertale's tol
>>732555187I can't tell whether this post is in on the joke or not.
Eepy
Undertale is weird.
(Repostan from the murdered thread)Partners Anon reporting in with Chapter 14: https://rentry.co/2e833ihtIt's a bit smaller than the last few, especially given the wait, but they kinda need to be shorter, lol. I have to keep Martlet's progression synced up now that she's split from the team. My planning document has the whole Steamworks roughed out, with planned break-points for chapters.I say this all the time, but I think the next one won't take forever to make. I've actually got a routine nailed down that lets me write with consistent quality and volume.Also, there's a typo I'm aware of in the epigraph, paragraph five. I saw it immediately after I created the rentry, and I didn't want to re-make it just for that. I don't know how the grammar checker didn't catch it. Sorry!
>>732550442Do it, we need more Naranja fanart, it doesn't matter if she is feral or anthro
>>732546980I don't like how the beard looks on him to be honest
>>732557384Damn, neither Martlet nor Clover are having a good time. Good chap, anon and don't worry about it being short or taking a long time, if people can't be patient then its their own fault.Also, I think your story might have subconsciously been an inspiration to the zen Martlet story I have been chipping away at and sharing it here and there on the vrpg thread and such, so thank you so much for turning the gears, in a sense!
>>732558689Ok, I'll do some art. Just gimme some time.
>>732546980More pregnant Kanako, please
>>732561801Fuck yeah, naranja art
You know who else made an Undertale fan game?
What if it was Undertale Narancia?
>>732562039Narana would have JoJo references instead of Baki references
>>732562039this would be the first boss
>>732562153I feel like Val would say Ora
>>732562024who?
>>732551427gamemaker actually has pretty low system requirements, the issue is just the way it does things is very stupid compared to every other engine, and why toby had to ask the engine devs to add new features (and he said he will have to do it again for later chapters, go figures what the fuck he has in mind)
>>732551756ever since UTY came out nearly 2 years agothere were actually 2 attempts at UTY2 in this style but I think both takes were pretty much dead until this updatewas hoping for one with kanako but neither had her and this one has some dumb dreamworks minion stuff instead because yellow I guesshere is a video I guess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwLGv4LuuOc
>>732530535I'll admit I feel dumb cause I'm not getting the context, so could someone explain it to me.Good art though.
IS THAT VAL!? THE BRAVERY SOUL!? I GOTTA GET OUT OF HERE BEFORE HE BEATS ME UP THEN SPARES ME!!!
>>732565424>.t
>>732546980who the fuck is that on the window
>>732565201is this your first time in one of these threads?
>>732539691Clover having a dream/nightmare (whatever you want to make it) that Kanako is now Zartlet sized, and beckoning him to come to bed.
>>732565692sickos
>>732565978I don't think he is taking anymore requests
>>732557384>>732546980this weekend just gets better and better
>>732562280the anon that was doing this was writing a story wasn't he?
>>732537587She is autistic about exploration
>>732568535cute
>>732568535maybe if I stop being lazy I will try drawing her later
>>732565201You can't be serious.
we're do I find the power of will to create my fan game?
>>732569397from within
>>732569397disappointment with what exists
>>732569397download Godot/Gamemaker/Unity whatever, open it, try to create something, realize that making a game is really fucking hard, but also not impossible, keep trying every day
>>732569397first you need to be willing to program unless you already know someone who can (your game will not survive past conceptual stage without a programmer)second, you can either channel in a waifu you want to bring to life (like ceroba is to UTY or kanako is to DRY) and do it for her (literally)or you just want to do some cool gameplay gimmick, that works sometimesif you aren't willing/able to commit to a game, because it IS a hard task, just do a fic or comic instead
>>732569438i feel hollow>>732569442agreed>>732569529I feel I'm walking on a bog and I'm only at the concept stage
>>732569642>I feel I'm walking on a bog and I'm only at the concept stagewhats your concept? what do you want to make? what is the story you want to tell? the gameplay you want to create?
>>732569642you feel hollow because while the seed has been planted, it has not yet grown. The effort of creation will give it life.
>>732569762It's just that I lack the energy to write my script and everything despite the fact I can visualize like 80% of my story in my head.I don't get why it feels so hard.
>>732529134make her a frilled lizard
>>732569910>I don't get why it feels so hard.Because writing is hard as fuck and you don't realize that until you try it, but you know what they say, the first step is always the hardest, if you can sit down and write the first sentences of your story, then the rest will become easier
>>732569910you should at least write down your ideas in greentext/bullet point format so you dont forget it, no need to be formal about it
>>732570040she is meant to be a feathered snake like pic related tho, not a lizard
>>732570328maybe a naga would be the best of both worlds for her and her dad is the quetzalcoatl of the UT world instead
>>732569910starting something is the hardest part for some reason
>>732570328>>732570384Just realized that the random snake shopkeeper has the potential to be a boss monster if we go with the fanon requirement being that the monster must be based on a divine mythological monster
>>732564573>gamemaker actually has pretty low system requirementsIt requires DX12, Windows 10, and a 54 bit processor those are not low system requirements for what kind of games its used for. My current PC can run Fallout 4, but it can't run Undertale Wildfire. Compare that to the system requirements when Undertale's demo released, which were Windows XP and a fast enough Pentium 3. Absolutely shameful.
>>732557384So I'm going back and rereading from chapter 9 to refresh myself on things, and when Martlet was looking at the missing poster it got me thinking.How would she react if she found out that the souls were in some way conscious the entire time they were trapped in the jars.
>>732568159I was. Kinda busy with game dev at the moment though.
>>732570658gamemaker can't do 32bit exports anymore?though I admit the last time I used gamemaker was back in the studio 1 days or even 8 before that, so that was a long time ago
>>732570767is it fangame related or something else? Good to hear either way
>>732569397You need to channel your autism. Think of a cool gimmick or idea that would fit in Undertale and build a story around that. Then get an engine and start programming.
>>732570819>gamemaker can't do 32bit exports anymore?Not since 2020, I believe. And the newest version (which is the version Wildfire uses) won't work with less than Windows 10. It won't even work with compatibility layers like VX-kex. It flat out refuses to function properly because of some DX12 functions it makes heavy use of.
>>732569910If you have the outline of a story, then you can work on other things and save the script for later. Like you could do sprites for your characters, or work on learning an engine, or if you know an engine work on implementing the gameplay.
>>732570384nta, but I really think he should just commit all the way to the winged snake design. No half measures.
yet another proof Toby was beaming his thoughts into the Undertale Yellow teamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKq7AhueSXYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbCnagAhfVw
>>732537617>sanstard literally ignoring how Toby was basically on his knees at the end of the last stream asking for more fangames like a thirsty slut
>>732570530really hoping she is a reoccurring character so we can get more info on this
>>732554710UTY being so close to being great but fumbling it at the worst moments is what fueled all the autism into wanting to fix it which is why people are still talking about it
>>732528443Is it going to be something different or is it softcore furry porn like Yellow?
>>732572239We are currently having a debate to decide the fate of Naranja based on a single character design, if the chracter is feral then it will be Tobycore, but if it's an anthro it will be furryslop
>>732572383I mean as many feral characters as undertale had, it was absolutely filled with anthros too.
>>732572510the other naranja npcs do have varied designs, its just that people care less when they see full shopkeeper art (which curiously toby had none in chapters 3 and 4)
>>732573237were there any feral shopkeepers in UT? off hand I remember 3 being anthro, so it's not really fair to narajanon here.
>>732573425oh I guess Temshop actually
>>732572383>TobycoreA concept that died upon the release of chapter 3 and 4
>>732559528Oh, rest assured that nobody rushes me, and if they did, they couldn't bother me half so well as I bother myself about it. I'm fortunate to have readers who are exceptionally patient.My standard """workflow""" consists of rare, 700-1000 word bursts or getting mentally stunlocked and just tweaking what I'd already done. I did some critical thinking about which circumstances made for good work, and which made for bad work, and I figured out that I only did well if I hadn't expended mental bandwidth with social stuff or my job. I've had very good results with waking up relatively early in the morning, getting a coffee, and banging out 300-400 words at a time, just about every day except the weekend. Most of chapter 14 was created in three weeks with this method.>the zen Martlet story I have been chipping away at and sharing it here and there on the vrpg threadThe one where Zart falls into the Pacifist timeline? Regardless, I'm honored to be an inspiration to another author.>>732567731Hope you enjoy :)>>732570721I'm personally of the opinion that they're not aware, because I feel that a kid who's been in a sensory-deprivation tank for decades on end, or even centuries, is going to be so thoroughly fucked up that even Flowey would be disturbed. The mind begins hallucinating within hours of having nothing to work with. The stuff in those kids' heads would make Meta Flowey look /cute/.But assuming that they are aware, and Martlet had reason to believe it completely, I think it would flip a switch in her and she'd be scarily on board with storming the castle. Kill Asgore, kill any guard who gets in the way; those kids WILL be saved.
>>732574260Yep! That's mine! Did you by any chance read it? And if yes, what are your thoughts of it so far?
>>732574260>I'm personally of the opinion that they're not aware, because I feel that a kid who's been in a sensory-deprivation tank for decades on end, or even centuries, is going to be so thoroughly fucked up that evenI think that's reasonable, I was just thinking of that dev statement that "clover was in some way aware in in the jar". it's fucked up in a way that I doubt the devs could fully grasp in that statement. something that I have to agree would fundamentally change the way Martlet viewed the whole situation. I think if she was even given reason to consider the possibility, however slim, it would make her start asking more questions than she already was.on a slightly related note, something I noticed when re-watching the pacifist route the other day, is when they talk on the roof and Martlet mentions clover being all grown up by the time they meet again on the surface, her talk sprite changes for a moment to the one without the light in her eyes.
>>732574671>>732574260what's worse, is imagine if she stormed the castle demanding answers, and Asgore looks away in shame when she asks if souls are still aware. How many monsters could get behind this if they knew, and what if they discovered that Asgore knew.
>>732537698Go be a autist elsewhere, autist..
>>732575097that's funny. Autism has been /v/s calling card since well before you were born.
>>732551610>RedditbobGo back
I pity those who are too afraid of accidentally being cringe that they wont let themselves create things. Go forth, be cringe, embarrass yourself a little
I just hope tobias doesn't go too wild with the meta shit at the end of DR cuz that could kill other fangamesalso if a DR fangame does its own prophecy or similar themes I immediately dismiss itthat DR broken connection game is leaning a bit too close to gaster stuff as is, hope they don't go too deep into it
>>732576336>cuz that could kill other fangameshow? non every fangame needs to be canon to the source material
>>732568535spamton eyes
>>732575224Does this faggot have a bot?
>>732576459because of the world being potentially fakeof course you could just ignore that but people would still keep comparing it to the "canon" content and poking holes at your ideait's why I wish UT/DR didn't focus so much on meta stuff, cuz everyone now has the need to feel to try to one up toby and how he did it so you can't explore the world/setting itself
>>732576604I could be wrong but I think you're complaining about issues that don't exist.
>>732576524just a bored underage b& most likely
>>732576990they don't exist YET, though this is only conjecture at this point but I am still slightly worried about it
>>732572239>softcore furry porn like Yellow
>>732577532>he doesn't know of the secret cutscene when you finish UTY in under an hour
one by one I discover new The Robas
>>732577629goofy ass bird
>>732577635a blessing, roba my beloved
>>732576245I would have you all remember that pic related was the guy who made UndertaleIf he could make it, so can you.
>>732578018guy who pronounces .png as dot pinge
>>732578018>filenamethe context is homestuckthat's all you need to know
Ok, here's that snek girl drawing I promised
>>732573739Chapters 3 and 4 are bland visually (except for Tenna)
>>732578213Very nice, I am fond of it.
>>732578318It will always be funny how absolutely nothing from Gigi's concept art was used in chapter 3.
>>732578883this was kinda used as the backdrop when tenna is talking about the third board, and I think in the back of the susiezilla minigamebut I wish chapter 3 was an actual area instead of just the green room + backrooms and the NES boards
I can finally post from my main computer again, and I see that people are still talking about Quetzali's body type, I didn't expect this becoming such a debated topic>>732550173>>732550486>Just don't give her an overworld sprite at all>>732551231>No, having two snake shaped characters is not redundant. There are too many bipedal upright monsters in Undertale>>732551886>Well this has been an ongoing problem in Undertale fangames and he has the solution RIGHT THERE.>>732551969>But she looks better as a feral, and already appears in the game as one. Look, I said that stuff about not repeating body types half joking (it does trigger my 'tism a bit but not enough), I made this character a while ago, before that she was actually an owl monster called Minerva, I only changed her name to Quetzali a few weeks before releasing the demo, by that time I already had all her sprites finished.I wanted to keep the fact that she is a recuring character a surprise, I already have other stuff planned for the character, it would be like asking me to give Zaer the body type of GigalithI could come up with a compromise and give her the ability to shapeshift between the feral feathered snake form and the anthro one tho, Quetzalcoatl is depicted usually as either a masked man with green skin or as a literal feathered snake, so it isn't that strange in that senseAnd if you are wondering, I didn't go with the idea of her being an owl because I thought that wasn't monstrous enough and I already had another bird character anyways
>>732576336>I just hope tobias doesn't go too wild with the meta shit at the end of DR cuz that could kill other fangamesSpeak for yourself, that would only enhance mine. My story works even better if everyone on some level knows they're characters in a video game. Of course it works pretty well without that too.>>732576604AUs exist, and there's nothing stopping your story from just happening inside the simulation (or dream, game, or other form of non real world). Hell it even lets you break canon. Why are dark worlds different here? This is a different simulation with different parameters.>so you can't explore the world/setting itselfThe setting is the most fun to explore when its explored under the pretense that this is a viceo game which operates like any other, except the characters think its real life. Naranja is a topical example (spoilers for Naranja) that game introduces the concept of OOB (out of bounds) areas, and inaccessible areas. Those being the glitchy void outside of normal playable space, and sections of nominally playable, but completely inaccessible areas respectively. You even meet a group called the Explorer's Guild who are looking for new playable areas to solve the underground's living space crisis. They explain the hazards of going out of bounds, (malfunctioning physics, lack of shadows, bad intangible objects, and infinite voids) as well as how to access them (usually by clipping through a wall) and how finding a new playable area is the holy grail of exploring.You couldn't do that without the meta elements
>>732578213Oh fuck, fanart from Oldentale anon himself? I too want to draw some of your characters eventually, thanks man
>>732576336I just interpret every DR AU with a different prophecy as the Angel just remaking the world and changing the prophecy accordingly.
>>732570721Martlet would undoubtedly be horrified if she learnt that the souls were aware the entire time.I imagine after pacifist, if she found out Clover was actually fully conscious while trapped in a jar, she'd go Zenith and storm into the place to get him out.>>732574260>I'm personally of the opinion that they're not aware.Undertale would make it very clear that the souls are 100% aware, as they can consciously make the decision to help someone asking for their help, and even rebel against someone trying to use them for malevolent acts.How the human children handle this state of being can be left up to interpretation, but one thing is made clear they're defiantly conscious and aware as just a soul.You have to remember Chujin had Integrity's soul for years, and she spent all those years resisting every attempt he made to absorb her soul and fuse it to his own.Heck the Meta Flowey fight, from Clover's perspective could've lasted days, months or even years, as it all happened within the mind and not real time. How mentally affected the human children's minds are, likely depends on the individual. Some may be able to handle it better than others.If Frisk can face of against Hyperdeath Asriel in a realm where time and space is practically meaningless. While dying again and again, for god knows how long, it wouldn't be farfetched to say, some of the other souls would also have that same kind of mental fortitude.
i do like me some snake girls but if she winds up being feral then oh well, have a quick sketch
>>732539252>pokerHe would as long as the game doesn't get too slow, the fact that Val has a permanent smirk on his face would help him as well, he probably doesn't know how to play so everything he says is a bluff, he would either be the first one to lose, or he would reach the end of the game based on pure luck>>732540598>godotI chose Godot mainly because it was what Godot anon (the first dev anon to post here) and DRYanon used, there is also the fact the engine was free and I didn't want to pick gamemaker because I saw that it had several limitations, I want to make more than just Undertale fangames and 2D games
>>732579940Damn Sig, you don't miss.
>>732579940>buy something anywaysTop snake right here
>>732579940I don't even know what to say, but I bet ONE feels something similar whenever Murata redraws his characters, thanks as always Sig.
>>732579924Personally I imagine that if they are aware it's more like "fleeting consciousness" or in the worst case scenario, the nothingness eventually causes their mind to scatter from the stress of sensory deprivation, maybe when frisk called out to them it pulled them back from the brink of oblivion. or even worse yet again, it's like that "angel" final boss in look outside where in the middle of the fight they use the last of their sanity to help you before all traces of who they were being gone
>>732579940>>732578213damn I was too slowanyway here is my drawing of her
>>732580336>>732579940>>732578213>>732578213
>>732580336This is also incredibly good, anon.>>732578213So is this one! Good work Oldentale anon!
anyone have any profile images of marty i need a reference image
>>732579924>Martlet would undoubtedly be horrified if she learnt that the souls were aware the entire time.>I imagine after pacifist, if she found out Clover was actually fully conscious while trapped in a jar, she'd go Zenith and storm into the place to get him out.honestly if this happened I don't know if she would stop at just getting clover out.
>>732580510full body or is the bust enough?
>>732579132I say this as a dev who knows damn well how hard spriting is. If redrawing all of her sprites is what's necessary to do the snake version, then do it. It will be worth the effort, and the game will suffer for it if you don't.If the issue is lack of opposable limbs, then that can be worked around, either by using her tail and mouth, or if push comes to shove, she can use her wings like arms (though that would be a very tacky solution).And if you listen to nothing else I say, please get rid of that current anthro design, its bad. And please use whatever anthro design you do have as little as possible. I am being completely sincere with no exaggeration or hyperbole here.
>>732580691im just having issues drawing her feather hair so any side view is appreciated
>>732579313Well, I could use some help with some sprites or just general pixel art, and you (if that is Naranjanon I'm replying to) are a lot better at Undertale sprites than me.
>>732580717you may be sincere, but that's a bit over the top. it's a nice little design, and the idea of her going between serpent and anthro mode is nice.>And please use whatever anthro design you do have as little as possible. I really don't get this one, Undertale has plenty of monstrous designs, but it had a ton of Anthro characters, especially literally the whole primary cast, a shit ton in every area were anthro, and most shopkeepers as well.
>>732579672So like a BSG or Big O situation?
>>732580769I confused profile with frontal, sorry for being a retard
>>732580336She looks straight out of the background of a CG in Snoot Game
>>732580993all good, as soon as hit post i knew i was being vague. thank you!
>>732579968Would Val be amicable with an anxious monster like Racter?
>>732579940Fuck, guess I should just give up now.
>>732581450Show us what you got anyway, anon. The more snek, the merrier!
>>732579968>he probably doesn't know how to play so everything he says is a bluff,Ah, the Jotaro strategy. I see Val's been studying his manime.Now I'm just imagining Racter being scared shitless by Val's confidence. Meanwhile Racter has a straight flush and Val has nothing but rags.
>>732581768Racter sounds like he needs an extended vacation far away from everyone for a couple weeks to calm his nerves.
>>732580862The problem here is that there's too damn many anthros in fangames. The ratio is completely off from Undertale's. By itself that can be tolerated, but not when he has the solution to this pervasive widespread problem right here and is throwing it away.Admittedly, I think the the shapeshifting design might work. The game would worse than it would with the full feral design, but it would work. But that's only with the caveat that he replace the current anthro sprite. Rework it to look more Aztec so it actually sells the idea that its based of an Aztec winged serpent.The only reason the anthro design is acceptable at all is because of the Quetzalcoatl connection. If he can't sell that, it becomes generic furry number five million and two, and does so when it was on the edge of being perfect.
>>732581982>Racter sounds like he needs an extended vacation far away from everyone for a couple weeks to calm his nerves.Is this some reference I'm not catching?Also, that was a continuation of a joke from a prior post where I said Racter didn't know how to play poker because it didn't exist in his time.
>>732580336That looks pretty nice, thanks anon.>damn I was too slowI'd say you were just in time, not everyday you see 3 fanarts from different artists in a row. >>732580717>I say this as a dev who knows damn well how hard spriting is. If redrawing all of her sprites is what's necessary to do the snake version, then do it. I don't really need to redraw anything if I want to go with the feral design, people already see her like that from her shop sprite, I would only need to redraw things if I gave her the mask (and I might do it if I feel motivated enough)>It will be worth the effort, and the game will suffer for it if you don't.Look I know some of us are tired of seeing so many anthro characters, but I believe this is an exageration.>If the issue is lack of opposable limbs, then that can be worked around, either by using her tail and mouth, or if push comes to shove, she can use her wings like arms (though that would be a very tacky solution).>And if you listen to nothing else I say, please get rid of that current anthro design, its bad. And please use whatever anthro design you do have as little as possible.Could you be more specific as to why you dislike it? I already said I'm not the biggest fan of it either and that the current sprite was a WIP>>732580827>Well, I could use some help with some sprites or just general pixel art, and you (if that is Naranjanon I'm replying to) are a lot better at Undertale sprites than me.Reading this is insane because I always saw your sprites as being better than mine.
>>732580326I don't think Frisk pulled them out of oblivion, Frisk literally just called for help, and each individual soul consciously chose to help Frisk. That was all on the souls. Just like how they chose to rebel against Flowey.It's funny you mention look outside, because spoiler for that fight, they can keep their sanity.
>>732581535I already posted my art.
>>732582351>I don't think Frisk pulled them out of oblivion, Frisk literally just called for help, and each individual soul consciously chose to help Friskpulled from oblivion as in they weren't fully aware and then suddenly they were. the framing of that fight makes me think that the souls are probably not fully aware while flowey is using them to attack, and when frisk calls for help they "remember who they are" and help frisk. I mean it doesn't really make sense that they are "completely aware" or "completely themselves" during the soul segments, otherwise why would they be attacking frisk there? >keep their sanityI assume that was added in one of the updates.
>>732582283No reference, 's just that in almost every post I see about Racter's behavior, he's written as a nervous wreck and I feel like the lad could use some time to wind down or he might go bald from stress.
>>732581982He needs more mouse bites.
>>732579940for me it's xcom viper type snake girls
>>732582765Not here too anon, I don't wanna see more mouse bites.
alright I didn't see this post>>732582136>The problem here is that there's too damn many anthros in fangames. The ratio is completely off from Undertale's.You sure about that? all the main cast members in Undertale are anthros, with the exception of the skeletons and Flowey (which later becomes an anthro goat anyways), and don't get me started with the important lightners from Deltarune.>By itself that can be tolerated, but not when he has the solution to this pervasive widespread problem right here and is throwing it away.The anthro design came first, the snake was much later and I already mentioned she was going to be an anthro owl originally.>Admittedly, I think the the shapeshifting design might work. The game would worse than it would with the full feral design, but it would work. But that's only with the caveat that he replace the current anthro sprite. Rework it to look more Aztec so it actually sells the idea that its based of an Aztec winged serpent.>The only reason the anthro design is acceptable at all is because of the Quetzalcoatl connection. If he can't sell that, it becomes generic furry number five million and two, and does so when it was on the edge of being perfect.That's why I wanted to give her the mask, if you are talking about the outfit, I don't think I'll change that, most of my characters use regular modern clothes (or are naked) and a high percent of the monsters in UT do as well, if Naranja took place in the past I would give her more Aztec themed clothes.
>>732582315>Look I know some of us are tired of seeing so many anthro characters, but I believe this is an exageration.I don't think it will ruin the game, but it will be worse off for it. I think HL2 is worse for all the weapons it cut during development, but its still a good game. What you're doing here is cutting a great design and replacing it with something on the worse side of mediocre. I probably wouldn't feel nearly as strongly as I do if this were all after the fact, but seeing it happen in real time adds a sense of urgency to everything.>Could you be more specific as to why you dislike it? I It doesn't sell the Quetzalcoatl look at all. She needs to look properly Aztec. My suggestion is to ditch the clothes, replace them with much more revealing and aztec looking clothes, exaggerate the mask, and add some stronger contrast in the colors. That might sell the look better. You can explain the strange look of the clothes as them being an effect of the mask. Maybe its a traditional type of mask, and they're really only made the one way, so its either that or she has to buy a different false body that would fit even worse, like the one lesser dog uses. Otherwise you could say its an old family heirloom, and the old fashioned clothes are a result of that.Also, that snake design is really good. So maybe have her explicitly find the "human" form uncomfortable, and its something she only wears out of necessity. So when she's not having to do tasks that need arms, she's in her snake form.
>>732579940Could you make a version without the volley balls? Please? Flat scaly gals with thick thighs give me life
>>732582315>Reading this is insane because I always saw your sprites as being better than mine.My battle sprites are alright. Its the overworld sprites I struggle with. You also do cutscenes better than me. What you see in my posts here is me playing to my strengths, limiting the color palette and resolution, not drawing backgrounds, single characters, no perspective. Outside of that my skill falls apart rapidly.
>>732583063>most of my characters use regular modern clothes (or are naked) and a high percent of the monsters in UT do as well,Expanding on my post here >>732583139 the clothes are the problem here, and they are a big one. I say make the clothes connected to the mask so its purposely out of place. Then have her complain about how old fashioned and gaudy the outfit is, but its the only one she could find in her size. That explains why it looks out of place and gives a good explanation for why she would ever be seen out of her "human" form.
>>732582570He's like that by nature. Though, I'm sure the war, getting possessed by a player, and everyone wanting to take his soul haven't helped with that.
>>732582765The mouse in question
>>732582567Oh the souls were definitely aware before then. Flowey explicitly states that the souls are moving about within him of their own accord. And this is before the fight with Frisk.The souls were always conscious. Flowey was essentially just using their powers by force after he absorbed them, but even then they were rebelling, and actively choosing to help Frisk.Flowey doesn't even bother trying to absorb the souls again in another Neutral route, because he knows they'll rebel against him, and leave him practically dead like last time.
>>732583176needs the "distinctive human features"
>>732584135I think the legs, thick thighs and wide hips are more than human enough
>>732583139>replace them with much more revealing and aztec looking clothesyou ain't slick anon
>>732581450There's still feral QuetzaliFeral Quetzali sniddiesMildly unpleasant for her, they tend to get in the way
>>732585054Look, you could make her skinny with no tits or hips and a gnarly face. The problem here is that the plain clothes anthro is aggressively bland. A genuinely ugly design would be better than that.
>>732583934He says he can feel them wriggling, which surrounded by the things hes saying and doing at that mkment to fuck with you, could be literal or could just be fucking with you because its a gross thing to say and its the monsterous being that intends to take your soul next. But the point im saying is there are differing levels of "awake" and I dont think they are "wide awake" until they rebel. Frisk doesnt free them from floweys control, he calls for help and they very suddenly start helping the moment after he does. It also fits what happens with the lost souls in the AGOHD asriel fight where the souls arent fully aware of their surroundings until frisk calls out to them reminding them of who and what they are.
>>732546980These women keep getting taller, man, I can't keep up man, I can feel the overton window of being a short king crawling up my back, you can't do this to me!
>>732585859Nta but Flowey saying the souls are wriggling inside him, for someone like Flowey it would definitely be literal statement.Which would naturally mean the souls were active, aware, and moving about before Frisk even did anything.
>>732586092>>732585859I think even if the souls became aware, they might have been confused if before they were in sensory deprivation for decades until suddenly they are hit with a lot of stimuli at onceSo I do think that the souls changing their moves after frisk calls for help is them then regaining awareness of the situation, but until then they might have been overstimulated
>>732586003Clover, you were the one who decided to date a girl with two actual giants for parents.
>>732586092>for someone like Flowey it would definitely be literal statement. Saying some bullshit on the spot to fuck with people is absolutely up floweys alley. Besides that, they can be wriggling around while only semi conscious. Again in the true pacifist final fight we see the monsters lost souls are exactly like that.
>>732583749Now all I'm imagining that plaque in waterfall with Racter on it, crying.
>>732574520I have read it, and I think the story is ripe with interesting material. I'm still making notes with my full thoughts, but for now my only serious complaint with the narrative is Valravn and Clover's interaction in the final scene. It feels far too soon for Clover to be offering his SOUL, and for Val to be as understanding as she is. They're just a bit too... open, for people who are so at odds with one another. I'd think they would both be cagier and more aggressive.I don't know if it would explode your plans for the story, but what if Clover gets away and Val spends a bit more time with the Pacifist Route cast as they look for him? She gets to have interesting conversations and there's natural friction between everyone to keep it interesting, and they both have some time to get ready for a polite conversation with each other and to get a handle on their own thoughts. But I don't want to be too heavy handed in my advice.(Also, it took me a minute to get it, but I realized the teleportation was an implementation of Clover's dash in Zenith's fight and I thought that was really cool.)In the /vrpg/ thread, I think you mentioned not being a native English speaker? I wouldn't have been able to tell, reading the latest draft you posted. There are technical flaws in the writing, but you're still operating better than a lot of people of native speakers in the field. It's good work.>Also, I think your story might have subconsciously been an inspirationY'know, when I initially looked at the in-universe CHECK, the casual presence of green magic, and the memory corruption, all in one fic, I really was struck by the thought "is anon a Partners fan?" I dismissed it shortly after because I'm deathly afraid of developing an inflated ego, and because I never want to claim an idea as belonging to me. I iterate and imitate, just as every artist does.
>>732586415The monsters would never put something that paints them in such a bad light on their grand victim narrative wall.
>>732586274Forget "little spoon" and "big spoon", I'm becoming a single cheerio in a bowl!
>>732574671That's a good catch, and if we take it with the longer timeline implied by UT, the moment is even more poignant. Martlet would be lying through her teeth, knowing full well that they'd both be dead and buried or gray and old by the time the barrier broke.
>>732586457nta, but I like the way you implemented green magic and plan on stealing it wholesale myself. It's the kind of thing that the game doesn't have any backing for or against, but it just feels "right" with how undertale monsters seem to be
>>732530791Since we know nothing about Yogurt or True Yogurt, maybe he should just be in the background.
>>732530791What's this about Poker Night? I've always pushed for Poker Night at the Honeydew Resort.
>>732588580We were talking about a hypothetical Poker Night game where you played against various fangame characters.The Honeydew Resort would actually be a great place to have it.
>>732586808That's a painful one right there. I can't help but personally think she was also thinking about not getting to see him grow up because of that.
Clover gets revived post-pacifist, but they still slept for too long
>>732589620waiter, there's something wrong with my "1000 years I love you"
>>732589676Ah yes, UTY meets Red Dwarf plus System Shock.When's that last chapter coming out anyway?
>>732588079There should be a Yogurt shaped hole in the background of every scene
>>732589617I like how the Axis versions of these sprite sheets don't actually make the characters into robots, they just put a box on their head.
You think we'll ever see anything as weird or fucked as the Snowgrave/Weird route in any of the fangames? I know UTY had all that stuff going on with Meta-Flowey and some fridge stuff, but I think most of that was stuff the original UT did anyway, I don't think it's quite at the same level as what DR gets to at a certain point.
>>732530791I know we've been talking about this with the idea that you'd play as the player characters of various fangames, but Undertale has always been more about the supporting cast. So who would be your picks if player characters were excluded?
>>732589876I need to look and see if there's a starlo one
>>732590027I imagine most fangames will try to sneak in something just because toby did, though remains to be seen how fucked up people will do it
>>732590027I have no idea. The very nature of this stuff makes it hard to predict. This kind of thing doesn't really work if you see it coming. That said, there is one fangame that shows some promise on this front. Its an untitled Weird Route fangame made by a guy called SeverTheSun, which is named Your Catastrophes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTtIvFnInY
>>732590027I think I get what you're saying, Meta flowey and zeniths death are essentially just more fucked up versions of what we've already seen in omega flowey and undynes death, so it's the same "kind" of fucked up. I think it's going to be far and few between that anyone even attempts something new with a "weird route" since so many seem to just want to copy the beats of what toby did, and fewer yet that are willing to go as far as he did, even considering what he backpedaled on. There's too many people out there that think "depicting bad thing makes you bad" and are afraid to try their hand on it outside of over the top ow the edgehog stuff
>>732579940Val saw this 10/10 monster girl and one of the first things he did was ask her a powerscaling question
>>732590332DBZ autism runs deep (I just hope val isn't a /dbs/ poster
Uhoh, Ceroba left her child unsupervised (again)
>>732590106Uh, anon, you still play as You in Poker Night, but it could be fun to have side characters as opponents too.>Mooch stealing good cards out of your hand and needing to pay attention
>>732590393that's absurd, bad things happened to her child WHILE under her supervision.
>>732590027It's easier for a fangame to do something fucked up since they aren't a commercial mainstream release, but most of the time it will be just edgy crud.The real deal is someone having the same creativity Toby has with the fucked up shit. I doubt someone will do it, I know I can't.
>>732590390Seeing my drawings here continues to bring me joy.
>>732590435Ok, admittedly I've never actually player poker night at the inventory, but I thought you played as one of the licensed characters, while the other players played as the other licensed characters.Is it not like that?
>>732579940make them real
>>732590027They will certainly try. I'm sure the people making fangames can emulate the spectacle with enough effort, but capturing the dread is something that requires a true artist's touch.
>>732590535artists are an important part of the 4chan ecosystem.
>>732590847I'm always happy to give back to these threads, whether they like it or not.
>>732590598Nah canonically You, The Player, play against the guest characters.Weird fact that sort of speaks to how dead the concept of a Class Based shooter is, Poker Night is technically the only canonical videogame appearance of The Heavy, which is different than what you play as in TF2 which is A Heavy.
>>732590326There's edgy stuff, and then there's weird mindfuck stuff. There are already plenty of super edgy fangames out there, so I have no doubt someone will make a turbo edgy hyper realistic blood snowgrave game. The issue is whether or not it will be good. What I don't know is if anyone will ever be able to pull off Toby's kind of meta fuckery.
Say, where's the download for the most recent build of Naranja?I'm genuinely asking, I don't think I grabbed it before and there are apparently at least two(?) anons around who want my thoughts on it specifically.
>>732590443>So Mr Afton, tell me more about this remnant research>The suffering of children you say?
>>732590978sorry, that's what I'm trying to get at. is that in their own attempts to try it, it's just going to be edgmaxxing since a lot of people are either too afraid to actually touch the taboo, or just slather it on and don't understand the feeling they're actually trying to make the audience feel
>>732591004see >>732529038
>>732590972I'm not talking about canon, I'm talking about who you are actually controlling with your keyboard while playing.>Weird fact that sort of speaks to how dead the concept of a Class Based shooter isDon't try and shoehorn your autistic grudge against tf2 youtubers into this. I never once mentioned canon nor class based shooters.
>>732591090
>>732591191No what I'm saying is it's kind of funny to think about that The Heavy, doesn't actually appear in TF2.But to answer what you're talking about the person you play in Poker Night as far as I can tell is You, if I remember right Poker Night 2 specifically has the guy running the inventory recognize you.
>>732590027Naranja will include a Yujiro Hanma route which will make the snowgrave route look like child's play>sourcemy dad works at Naranja
when you play every fangame you get to meet mettaton and he gives you a coupon for a free MTT Burger Emporium Meal For Children
>>732591345>But to answer what you're talking about the person you play in Poker Night as far as I can tell is You, if I remember right Poker Night 2 specifically has the guy running the inventory recognize you.And you aren't talking about "canon" but as in what you control with your keyboard? So the licensed characters are all AI controlled?
>>732590972>Poker Night is technically the only canonical videogame appearance of The HeavyWhat about Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed for the PC?
>>732591384Does Mettaton build a time machine just so he can go back in time and advertise his brand in Oldentale?
>>732591480Yeah that's more or less the main premise.
>>732591502Oh yeah, I guess one of two videogame appearances. I forgot he was in Sanic Kart.Now I gotta sing the wrong trivia song.
>>732590443a splendid set of robas
>>732591557Ok, well in that case there's no reason to use only Undertale player characters exclusively. I think supporting cast probably would be better picks for most games.
>>732591726Technically there aren't really any rules as to who could appear, it wouldn't even have to only be 4 opponents.You can do anything.
>>732591627Hah, you've been defeated by my knowledge of obscure video game trivia regarding video game character "The Heavy".
>>732590972Canon is a spook, it doesn't exist. The Heavy does appear in TF2, a potentially infinite number of instances of him do, and they're all The Heavy. Just the same as the The Heavy in Meet The Heavy is The Heavy, and the one in the comics, and the one Poker Night at the inventory. And there's no definite continuity between any of those appearances, because TF2 is structured like an episodic cartoon. Its always been The Heavy, no having a server populated by 18 heavies doesn't contradict that. They're all The Heavy.
>>732591918> it doesn't exist.YOU don't exist.
>>732591918>The Heavy does appear in TF2, a potentially infinite number of instances of him do, and they're all The Heavy.I'm sorry to break it to you, but Heavy is a job.But if it makes you feel better, you meet the team in the final TF2 comic.
>>732592408
>>732592408Why are you replying to someone that doesn't exist?
>>732592514I don't care what the comics say. The Heavy is that fat bald Russian guy from TF2.
>>732592684
>>732592910I didn't play Kindgom Hearts
>>732593010Oh.Oh well.
>>732579940First we had slilk, then wilk and now we have snilk
>>732589830He just emits a wind sounds.
>>732593161>wilkExplain.
>>732593010Ok, I believe you.
>>732593236I think that's whiskey milk from the will o the wisp girl
>>732576524>>732577008Nope, he's telling the truth.
>>732593161snilk is fake she doesn't have real tits
>>732593296Wouldn't that be "whilk"?Also, who?
>>732593380this one from naranja, I think her name is Luzma
>>732593161Which characters do these things all correspond to, and can I have some images of them?No reason in particular.
>>732593475they're the naranja girls
>>732593475Bedo has the slilk. The others have already been posted.
>>732593473Huh.So why whiskey, and not like, something with copper in it or something like that?You know, for the blue flame?
>>732593475on the far left is the slime sea bunny girl who I think naranjanon has given hair to since then, the wonderful idea of "Ketchup slilk" came about from this one.
>>732593236>>732593380Wisp milk from Luzma
>>732590390>I just hope val isn't a /dbs/ posterhe too much self-respect for that
>>732593542it followed the ketchup slilk conversation so I think it was centered around whiskey being like fuel and being something that wouldn't kill you to drink.there was also a wonderful conversation about being burned by your wisp gf
>>732593542Because fire feeds flames
>>732593542It's because we came to the conclusion that fire elementals lactate alcohol instead of milk, since their babies need something flammable that its also liquid
>>732593671>>732593724wilk hive mind
>>732593724>>732593671how come the same image was allowed to be posted twice?
>>732593518>>732593535>>732593576Interesting.And despite the "slilk", "wilk", and "snilk" meme being a running joke in the recent threads, no one has yet drawn these characters actually lactating?
>>732593828look anonthat's a really good point.
>>732593828sadly no, Naranja doesn't have any nsfw art
>>732593876>>732593915I see.Looks like I have some more work to do.
>>732593649oh thank god
Thought on this? A new take on undertale purple.It has deckbuilding combat https://gamejolt.com/games/undertalelavender/964328
>>732593948see>>732580394
>>732594035it was posted a while ago promoted by the UT futility persontoo bad it is taking months for updates, and even the last update was just a screenshot with nothing going on
>>732594035>deckbuilding
>>732594035I'm not personally into the whole deckbuilding thing, but I'll give credit that it's unique in this situation. I wonder if it will work anything meta into that.
>>732594035where is the combat description?
>>732594035This looks eerily like the one with Chinese Kanako
Hello fellow anons guess who it is again!I'm back once again to post another finished request!After my posting my last request which featured this character, I got a lot of requests to do a follow up.And honestly I couldn't agree more. Plus it was a lot of fun to draw the characters again in the scenario.It's a lot of fun drawing follow up requests to previously done requests I've done.Especially in these kinds of scenario's.The request in question was a follow up, or continuation, to the request image of Cole from DTY sneaking a peak on DTY Kanako undressing, with Kanako taking full advantage of the situation.And here we have an image of what happened after that little advantages encounter, with perfect timing.You can view the image here:https://files.catbox.moe/7ej9x4.pngI hope I did the request to your liking.As always thank you for the support and kind words.
>>732594225it was promoted by the chinese kanako person, might as well be since that one is stuck in limbo forever
>>732594261chujin is gonna flip
>>732594346front or back?
>>732569397You need to have some kind of vision, something you want to see realized, not just "because I want to make something, anything".
>>732594261high quality Kanacole, good stuff anon
I'm back>>732583139I>t doesn't sell the Quetzalcoatl look at all. She needs to look properly Aztec. My suggestion is to ditch the clothes, replace them with much more revealing and aztec looking clothes,she is adopted, I can't see her wearing aztec clothes>exaggerate the maskLike adding more details to it? that would again complicate her dialogue portraits more, I think she would have too much detail>and add some stronger contrast in the colors. That might sell the look better.This I can agree with, I always struggle picking colors, but I won't make any promises>Also, that snake design is really good. So maybe have her explicitly find the "human" form uncomfortable, and its something she only wears out of necessity. So when she's not having to do tasks that need arms, she's in her snake form.I was thinking, she can't control her shapeshifting powers yet, she switch's between form involuntary at random intervals, which in a way also makes her a good explorer since her random shapeshifting gives her more opportunities to clip through wallsAt the very least I can say you convinced me to fully go with the mask and shapeshift ideas>>732583398>My battle sprites are alright. Its the overworld sprites I struggle withMe too, but what you showed looked really good>You also do cutscenes better than me.I kind of cheated with the cutscenes, I feel proud of some of the slides but others were mostly traced/edited from Undertale's and UTY's intro, you can also notice that I don't use any angles in any of them other than side and front ones, which are much easier to draw.>What you see in my posts here is me playing to my strengths, limiting the color palette and resolution, not drawing backgrounds, single characters, no perspective. Outside of that my skill falls apart rapidly.Well I didn't have any skills before starting Naranja, and even today sometimes I feel like I'm brute forcing things whenever I make a new sprite
Guys I have undertale pvp idea. What if both players fight against a boss at the same time and have to compete for the highest score after going through a number of turns? It's like a party except you're against each other,you can also use magic to impede on the other players' progess
>>732581078>>732581078If you played the demo and saw Val's ACTs you would know that no lmao, if Val knew Racter has a human soul he would also be disappointed seeing that Racter lacks a fighting spirit, he would call him a "potential man"
>>732594864naranja side mode with player 2 being the shadow boxeralso funny to me that you can die in the shadow boxer fight
>>732594261And I thought the last Kanako image you did was peak.
>>732594801>spoilerOk, then maybe its the only thing her biological parents left her. So even if its not her style, she still wears it in remembrance of them >Like adding more details to itI meant make it bigger and more noticable. Maybe give it an uglier look like those Aztec serpents tended to have.>shapeshifting powersI don't know, them being random seems like it would force the human form too much.
>>732594035deckbuilding is the most fun type of combat for turn based rpgs without party members, but balancing it for a linear single player game sounds like a nightmare, deckbuilders usually don't have to worry about it because they all are PvP games or roguelike
>>732594801I'd really just like to see your take on a Darkblade overworld sprite, since I am struggling here.
>>732594887I want to respond to this so bad, but I can't because of spoilers.
>>732594898imagination is serious business
>>732594261Kanako's about to claim Cole's V card.
>>732595261Can the kid see his imaginary opponent?
>>732595158I can give it a try, but they would be boring front facing and side sprites
>>732595361hey that works, I just want to see someone else's take on him. For ideas if nothing else.
>>732595316yeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKsW8svspEg
>>732595315Bold of you to assume she hasn't already taken it
>>732528443do any of these have good gameplay or do you still walk through linear hallways, listen to shitty jokes and mindlessly spam attack or act when you encounter an enemy?
>>732595437and then there's the "shadow making diner" scene
>>732587474Thank you very much. I based it on the little blurb about monsters not having much in the way of disease or doctors which appears in... the librarby? I can't recall. I extrapolated from there.What will you steal it for?
>>732594261Please make one nsfw of clover/cole with martlet WE NEED MORE CLOVLET
>>732595491naranja has platforming segments (outdated webm)battles are also more active since acts arent as straight forward
>>732595437So do they ever explain how that works? The kid seeing him specifically.
>>732595509 I want to write something with Chujin, in a panic using green magic to heal a humans serious injury, and when the situation calms down the realization of what that must mean crashes into him. but I need to finish writing bird stuff before I can do that.
>>732594261This is your best Kanako yet.
>>732595491Naranja has a much more in depth battle system. You have a list of techniques to choose from, which can be performed with button combination QTEs, you can perform multiple actions per turn, and sparing has been completely removed (you can still beat an enemy without killing them, but its more difficult to do). Its also, as that other anon said, got platforming.
>>732595558Oh fuck its the noob bridge!
>>732595509>I based it on the little blurb about monsters not having much in the way of disease or doctors which appears in... the librarby?Nta, but could you figure out where that was said, because that would be very important information to me.
>>732594864I even have some idea for some support or sabotage Spells.1st spell:slow down the opponent's soul2nd spell:remove his invincibility frames and make him take damage sans style3rd spell:using a spell to increase the amount of points you get for your score but you take twice as much damage in returnThis sounds incredibly fun,just have to figure out how mercy works? Minigames?
>>732595757not him, but the text explaining that monsters don't suffer from diseases is cut content
>>732595670Ok this has got me intrigued, what was that anon's explanation of green magic? And what implication does it have there? I haven't read either fic.
>>732595831where was it cut from? where was it released?
>>732595871you should definitely read Partners, and honestly the smaller stories he did before that, but the idea is that you have to care about the person you're trying to heal
>>732595927I haven't even played UTY
>>732595064>>732595064>spoilerthe mask already serves that purpose tho>I meant make it bigger and more noticable. Maybe give it an uglier look like those Aztec serpents tended to have.Yeah, but if I were to do that it would limit her facial expresions even more and I would have to change the entire face of the character, the idea of the mask moving with the character's emotion is fun so fun in fact that I already have two other characters that use it but I don't feel like it>I don't know, them being random seems like it would force the human form too much.I don't know how to say this to you anon, but she would be in her "human" form 50% at the very least
>>732595926as far as I know it was always cut, people found it searching in the Undertale dialogue file
>>732595994this may come as a surprise, but I recommend you play it, and then read partners, and that other anons fic, and honestly there's just a lot of really good stories people have come up with in the wake of yellow
>>732595927There's several other fics in the works featuring Martlet/Zenith Martlet and Clover, based on the Martlet drawanon drawings of them.Specifically with him being reborn into a bird monster withing either form of Martlet, and exploring the relationship between Clover and the different forms of Martlet.There seems to be a huge interesting with exploring the relationship Zenith Martlet and Vengeance Clover, who she goes through efforts to rehabiliate.While also going through the effort to confront all of Clover's built up trauma within his mind, over countless resets, and the messed up stuff Flowey did to him.
>>732596041>the mask already serves that purpose thoWell what I'm saying is that the clothes would be part of the shapeshifting mask's effect. Its like how Jim Carrey gets a yellow suit and fedora when he puts on the mask, despite the mask only covering his face.> but she would be in her "human" form 50% at the very leastI know it stupid and juvenile to react like this, but that genuinely upsets me.
>>732596086I didn't ask if it was added back into the game, I asked where it was found and where it would have appeared if not cut
>>732595591>So do they ever explain how that works? The kid seeing him specifically.It's based on fighting instinct, people with fighting knowledge look so deep into it that their mind starts filling the gaps of where the imaginary opponent should be, they can tell how the shadow moves and fight by seeing how the real fighter is reactingKeep in mind that all of Baki logic is based on pseudoscience and exaggerated scientific facts
>>732596096I'm still waiting on a good ending mod>inb4 there is a good endingthat's not a good ending, that's an edgelord ending. You just say its the good ending because you're an edgy boy who wants to sound cool and contrarian on the internet
Someone make a gamjolt page or a walk-through about naranja. I have a feeling zoomies would make it big
>>732596331There is a good ending.It's the one Clover died for.
>>732596302 I hope Naranja goes a step beyond even that and has Val's shadow become actually real even for people without fighting instinct. Like he wants a good fight so bad that he wills it into being, and makes like a sort of combination bullet pattern and darkner.
>>732596256Hotland, Monster History Part 6/7/8https://tcrf.net/Undertale/Unused_Text/Hotland
>>732596347I feel like we should wait until it has a proper demo, a not the beta test we have right now. I'm not naranjanon though.
>>732596404Worse than a regular bad ending because it does a horrible thing and tells you its good, the character assassinates every other character in the process.
>>732596331you should play it so you can join us in writing good endings, and also because it's a genuine shame to miss out on stuff like partners and cover up the footprints. there's a bunch of other great ones but I mention those because the last chapter of cover up the footprints and one of partnersanons works made me pick up writing myself I still tear up thinking of cover up the footprints last chapter
>>732596406Okay, expanding on this. It is real, and can hurt you, but its also completely invisible and intangible (unless it wants to hurt you). So its just this completely imperceptible force of violence that goes around killing people, and only those with a strong enough fighting spirit can even see what's attacking them.I just realized I've described a stand. Still this is different because its separated from him and become its own entity, acting antagonistically.
>>732596406Spoilers for BakiWhat you saw was a basic form of shadowboxing, later in the manga things get more retarded, a guy can punch faster than sound because he imagines his arm has hundreds of joints, Baki can project a shadow of a dinosaur and that makes his punches stronger, Baki's dad can project a shadow of himself (that everyone can feel) and that disables Baki's triceratops punch, and even later Musashi Miyamoto (yes that Musashi) gets revived and he can cut people with his imagination by making cuts in the air with his hands, people don't take damage from it but they feel the pain of being cut
>>732596603I think there's a couple of stands that are completely divorced from an owner so it's still a fitting description
>>732596495>Worse than a regular bad ending because it does a horrible thing and tells you its goodI don't wanna turn this into another whole big thing, but that's kinda the point.It's a tragic situation with no easy way out for anyone, an injustice that requires additional injustice to make right.Clover gives up their soul for the sake of righting that injustice, that's literally what makes them who they are.Maybe the pacing could've used some work, but if you went into UTY thinking their soul was ending up anywhere else but that jar, that's just your own fault at that point.
>>732596347>>732596459Don't, I used music from UTY as a placeholder, I don't want to make the project public until all the placeholder themes have been replaced
>>732596603>Still this is different because its separated from him and become its own entity, acting antagonistically.Cheap Trick mentioned
>>732596572I probably will play it at some point, but its really low on my priority list because its been spoiled to hell and back for me, and I really hate "muh heroic sacrifice endings" where I have no choice in the matter. Really I just hate endings where the main character dies at all. Makes the whole journey feel pointless and insulting. Its the same reason I refuse to play RE 8.
>>732596495this is the thing I have not been able to adequately put into words before
>>732596668NTA but the biggest problem with THAT is that it wasn't in character for the people around him to just let it happen that way, even if they had no way out. we even know this because of how martlet reacts in the cut flawed pacifist ending. Even if you wanted to argue martlet would, theres ceroba who shouldn't be the first one to agree AT LEAST, and then Starlo who just put his life on the line for the kid twice. its as simple as having clover run off and do it against their wishes.
>>732596714>Really I just hate endings where the main character dies at all. Makes the whole journey feel pointless and insulting.Someone doesn't understand the concept of sacrificing for others, that being said UTY's sacrifice was completely unnecesary
>>732596713Cheap Trick still has a user its attached to, and inflicts harm upon said user. >>732596650The only examples I can think of are Notorious Big and Stray Cat, but those required the user to die before they could exist. I'm suggesting a spirit that has manifested and split from the person who created it. It now exists entirely on its own while its original "host" is still alive.
>>732596714I was very spoilered but went into the game with the mindset "ok lets just find out if this game can make me care about the charcters" and so I managed to have a really good time. also while I get what you said about endings where the main character dies,just on that note Lufia 2 is a shining example of one of the best ways this could have been handled because it's a prequel and we already know he dies cause the first game starts with his death and lufia 2 is about seeing everything that went into that, and how he saved the world in the process a little off topic, but regardless
>>732596764>we even know this because of how martlet reacts in the cut flawed pacifist ending.Cut content ain't canon, that doesn't count.That's like saying Aperture Science is still based in Xen because of the scrapped ending to Portal, that's bullshit.>its as simple as having clover run off and do it against their wishes.I actually do agree on this one though, that's good.Shades of Justice did the true pacifist ending better than UTY, but I still think UTY did it fine by itself.
>>732596854the cut content is relevant because their stated reason is that it made asgore look bad, not that it was out of chracter for martlet. it's absolutely relevant to the conversation. I'm not saying all cut content is, but their reason for removing that one was fucking stupid.
>>732596495UTY is meant to be a prequel to UT.In other words, Clover's soul was always going to end up in that jar.However what's interesting is that game also make it clear that Clover has travelled throughout the Underground hundreds to thousands of times.And Clover doing Genocide and resetting to fix everything is also canon to the story.Take all these into account, and the possibilities of what kind of alternate scenario's are endless.Of course there's also post Undertale stories, or an alternate series of events that happened because a certain things happened at a specific point.
>>732596668Well fuck you and fuck the devs for making the game. That's my stance on it. It retroactively makes Undertale's pacifist ending a bad ending for requiring Clover's death to happen. And fuck Clover too for killing himself. Hope the monsters rot underground forever just to deny him his sacrifice and to deny them their freedom for accepting it.
>>732596836>Cheap Trick still has a user its attached toYes, but not in the same way as other stands.For instance, when The World started to crack and fall apart, DIO also suffered the same injuries.Cheap Trick got pulled into the ghost alley without Rohan being affected at all, so I'd say it's more disconnected than most stands tend to be.
>>732596714wait until the shades of justice final update then
>>732596836it's not quiet what you said, but if foo fighters can exist conceptually, then I think it's not a big stretch to suggest a shadow could become a stand and leave its user, plus I think there are also stands that are antagonistic to the user in some way. I'm just saying the frame work is there
>>732596914nta but yellow will never match the UT canon because the timescale is all sorts of fucked because the devs didn't think things throughit's better to look it as a what if instead
>>732596909>it's absolutely relevant to the conversation.Nope.If it's not in the game, it's not canon, end of.That's all there is to it, yell as much as you want, what's in the game is what's in the game, and Martlet just leaving Clover with Asgore by herself is what made the final cut.Doesn't matter what the circumstances are, that's her canon reaction to Clover wanting to face Asgore.
>>732597035And a nope right back at you. it's relevant to her character and was cut on behalf of Asgore, not her.
>>732596827I don't want to be a sacrificial lamb. If its optional that's at least self sacrifice and I might do it. But being force to "honorably give your life for others" is some Aztec rain ritual or Baal child sacrifice shit. I would absolutely kill all the monsters before giving my life for someone who demands it. But I would much rather not play that game at all than do either.
>>732596928>It retroactively makes Undertale's pacifist ending a bad ending for requiring Clover's death to happen.Buddy, UT's pacifist ending already required the deaths of like 8+ children in order to happen in the first place, did you even play the game?
>>732596850Going off of your description, I would hate Lufia 2 as well. I hate these kinds of stories. And that's why I refuse to play UTY.
>>732597093>But being force to "honorably give your life for others" is some Aztec rain ritual or Baal child sacrifice shit.anon...
>>732597093>I would absolutely kill all the monsters before giving my life for someone who demands it.You might just be a sucky person anon.
>>732597223NTA, but that's not the greatest counterargument you could've used here.
>>732596914>UTY is meant to be a prequel to UT.>In other words, Clover's soul was always going to end up in that jar.I DESPISE this logic. Unironically makes me mad hearing people spout it. Break the continuity. Continuity is worthless garbage in a setting like Undertale and exists purely to be overridden.
>>732597091Sorry pal, she just doesn't do that in game.When faced with a situation where she would potentially have to go against Asgore's wishes to defend Clover, she chose to stand down.That's that, it's the literal text of the game, nothing more to it.
>>732597223dont bring the jew religion started by a lying whore here, please.i like the fact that these threads are civil
>>732597220that's unfortunate. It's a genuinely good game and gave a lot of meaning to the characters that were originally throw away backstory props. the main character stops a continent from dropping on the city where his son is, then his soul steps into the sky to join his wife who died at his side in the final battle.
>>732596971Is it going to add a good ending where Clover doesn't die?
>>732597307I only agree that the neutral ending should have been the "canon" one where you fight asgore and get jar'dpacifist should have been a non canon ending like geno is, but I'm afraid that since tobias set the precedent and now UTY, most fangames will make pacifist the true ending because "you gotta be friends with everyone!" even if it doesn't make sense
>>732597317cut content, and the reason content is cut shows us authorial intent. We know what she would have done and her character development was sacrificed to make the child killer not look as bad. that's really all there is to it. Especially in the context of undertale
>>732597307That's the point of UTY, it's a tragedy about what the adventure Clover goes on and what they have to give up in order for there to be a happy ending for the people they care about, and the rest of monsterkind.That's the point, it's not supposed to be a 100% happy ending.
>>732597223Its not forced though. You can say no to that even if doing so has consequences. My problem here is the lack of choice. Clover just does it for you without your input.Unless you want to be a comically evil bastard for the sake of it. Then he kills everyone and achieves an equivalent amount of misery.I'd rather not play a game where my two options are martyrdom simulator and genocide the cute animal characters.
>>732597394>cut content, and the reason content is cut shows us authorial intent.Correct, it shows us that the creator at one point intended for that cut content to be canon, and then changed their mind and decided against it in favor of something else.In this case, the creators of UTY, the people who have the final say on what is and isn't canon for their own story and characters, decided that Martlet standing up for Clover against Asgore shouldn't be canon, and her walking away should be what's canon.Disagree with their decision as much as you want, that doesn't make it any less final.
>>732597096Clover didn't exist in Undertale. There were some souls who weren't people with names or faces that didn't matter at all beyond being a powerup for Flowey and Asriel.
>>732597503You can also just go fight Asgore instead.
>>732597272>>732597325>civil>insult an entire religionI've been too busy to reply in this thread but it's ending anyway so I'll just say, don't throw punches if you can't take them.
>>732597506nta but I can still say that was a stupid decision as was most stuff involving kanako
>>732597224If you think you're owed someone else's life, then you don't deserve it. Its not your life, you didn't give it to them, you have no right to make claim over it, or make demands that dispose of it in service of you.
>>732597542Yes, and UTY was meant to give one of those nameless, faceless souls that didn't matter just that, a face, a name, and a story where they mattered. Not to change how their story ends.That was the explicit purpose of UTY from the very beginning, it's your own damn fault you didn't pay attention to the story that was being told to you.
>>732597506>Correct, it shows us that the creator at one point intended for that cut content to be canon, and then changed their mind and decided against it in favor of something else.yes, and we know the reason why, and that reason tells us everything we need to know. Martlets character was cut short in favor of Asgore, but we know what she would have done because we have the direct word on why it was cut>Disagree with their decision as much as you want, that doesn't make it any less final."the underground is a big place" anon, they made it clear what kind of person Martlet was, then failed to write their own character faithfully because they got squeamish about making Asgore look bad. we have the pieces of the puzzle, and we can tell what the correct ending should have been.
>>732597595I wasn't that second guy, I was just pointing out how the guy I was replying to wasn't making the greatest argument.
>>732597414Well I hate that point and by extension the game and I hate that the devs made it with that point in mind.
>>732597595>>732597661I have a feeling there's like 10 people throwing around different arguments in tandem to squeeze in some discussion before the thread ends
>>732597384Honestly they've could've incorporated Clover fighting Asgore and getting jared in Pacifist, after he made friends with everyone.They could have just made it so that once everything was said an done, and Martlet and Co where under a false sense of security, Clover would sneak of on his own, to continue on his quest.Which would inevitable lead to him confronting Asgore and getting killed by him. Yeah it would be a downer ending, but not all ending sneed to be happy.This way Clover's death wouldn't come across as the other characters being stupid, as it could have simply been they trusted Clover to travel safely in the Underground, neglecting to realise that he would go Asgore as he had originally intended.
>>732597332I thought his wife left him because he was too dedicated to martyring himself in battle.
>>732597703as much as I'm in the camp of "I want that boy to get a happy ending" this would have been a better ending, showing how his soul trait still led to him being jarred
the thread is ending, you know what that meanshttps://litter.catbox.moe/omgwnqlvnmsy7fqb.png
>>732597384Undertale doesn't have a true ending
>>732597762almost there
>>732597626>but we know what she would have done because we have the direct word on why it was cutWell, no, because she doesn't do that.Doesn't matter why something was cut, only that it was, indeed, cut.Martlet standing up for Clover was cut, and that's that, it's just not canon.>they made it clear what kind of person Martlet was, then failed to write their own character faithfullyBuddy, that's not how that works. Whatever someone writes of their own character is what that character would canonically do, it doesn't matter how much it does or doesn't fit with the rest of how they're written, what matters is what was actually written in the final version of their story.>we have the pieces of the puzzle, and we can tell what the correct ending should have been.>what the correct ending should have been.>should have been.But not "is".
>>732597762I hope my donut steal will be in that pic one day
>>732597739no that was tia, who was in onesidedly in love with him. His wife that he marries half way through the game, Selan, was a battle freak like him and was at his side in the final battle.
>>732597693Well, to each their own, but quit complaining so hard about a story that was never meant for you to begin with.
>>732597614And they shouldn't be given names and faces unless they're also going to be given a better ending.I disagree with the explicit purpose and by extension the game. I think the game at its very core is wrong
>>732597661No I totally understand. I consider myself a Christian and I hate UTY's pacifist ending as much as the next guy. I also hate it when people throw around any sort of self-sacrifice as a Jesus analogue when the biblical version is very specific and happened for very particular scriptural and theological reasons. I'm not tolerating the smarmy insults though. Go take that to /pol/ or wherever. I just want to talk about cute characters and write good stories.
>>732597791what are you making?
>>732597595your religion was started by a whore that didnt want to be executed for fucking nobles, and then the jews later mutated that religion to create a docile cattle rate.rome fell because christianity neutered the populace, made them simply lay down and accept the slow destruction of their empire because "oh everything's ok! god will save us!"and its happening again today, but on a global scale.
>>732597783>Well, no, because she doesn't do that.she would have and its as simple as that, cut content when we know the reason it was cut is absolutely relevant to who a character is. and yes when I saw should have been because the ending was simply incorrect. that is not what those character would have done. The ending is incorrect, and the truth is what we know based on their characterizations and the content written around them.
>>732597762Let's do this.
>>732597783nta but the devs said why it got cut and it wasn't because it didn't fit martlet's character
>>732597543I still die at the end. I don't want to play the game because I don't want to do all of that and come off worse than when I started.
>>732597762rolling
>>732597874then play the geno route since thats the only one clover doesnt die
>>732597846have a sneak peakI'm itching myself to show it to you guys one day
>>732597823This all started because of people demanding I play it.
>>732597832Oh, are you that same guy who threw a temper tantrum at the idea of DR having plot twists and not just following the prophecy 100% straight?How 'ya been man? You been taking your pills, or are you still rawdogging whatever brand of schizophrenia you're rocking?
>>732597791I don't think we've done rolls in the last several threads actually, so it probably hasn't been updated in a while.>>732597842didn't Jesus in the scriptures also explicitly have the option to say "fuck all of this" at multiple points in his life thus adding choice into the equation that makes him even less relevant here?
>>732597874the goal is to get irrevocably attached to these characters so you can write and draw about them anon. I'm sorry but there's no other way.>>732597919I'm not "demanding" you play it, but its a shame for you to miss out on the things we were discussing at the time.
>>732597860>she would have and its as simple as thatWell, no, she wouldn't have, and that's because she didn't.How she's characterized in the final, official product is all that matters. If she doesn't do something in her only canon material, she didn't do it at all.That's that, I dunno why you're still holding onto this so hard when you're pretty obviously wrong here, just pack it in buddy.
>>732597934>so it probably hasn't been updated in a while.it literally features the snake girl from Naranja
>>732597908Can you not read. I don't want to do that either. I don't play games seeking misery, I actually like to have a good time and feel like I've won and done something worthwhile at the end. Genocide at best is just petty revenge for the shitty other ending I'm forced into.
>>732597934>https://litter.catbox.moe/omgwnqlvnmsy7fqb.pngthat pic just got the new snake girl there
>>732598027then just watch it on youtube
>>732597870>nta but the devs said why it got cut and it wasn't because it didn't fit martlet's characterStill cut, so it's still not part of her character.
Man, we're really packing all the vitriol and hatred into these last few replies, huh?
>>732598056I feel like you're not arguing in good faith seeing as you aren't considering the word of the authors and are just saying the same thing over and over
still no shattered decade update this week, once more I continue to WAIT
>>732598007well yes, she would have because the authors wrote her wrong to spare another characters feelings. They were children when they wrote it and they made a mistake, authors misrepresent their characters sometimes, this happens. Hell sometimes authors even admit after the fact that they got it wrong. In this case we have the admission that they changed her reactions to spare asgore. Writers are not infallible and they got Martlet wrong in 2 out of 3 endings
>>732597934>thus adding choice into the equationPrecisely which is the largest difference besides, you know, one being God and the other being a small, scared kid. Clover is trapped in the Underground and is being hunted, not because the rulers are hypocritical religious elites who hate being called out, but because everyone is trapped and is following utilitarian logic. The only good option for Clover would be to be trapped like everyone else, which would happen only at the end of neutral without Flowey's involvement. The kid sacrificing himself was terribly executed and not thought through properly at all.
>>732597925No, that's a different guy. I actually really like the schizo subversion part of Deltarune. I was really hoping it would go even further and the prophecy would be a complete lie made up by Ralsei to make Susie and (you) play ball. Hopefully you can see the logical through line between that and wanting UTY to defy its intended purpose and give the characters a better ending, regardless of how much it hurts the original UT characters.
>>732598042>>732598012my bad, I hadn't clicked on it yet and just assumed>>732597762
>>732598103>you aren't considering the word of the authorsThe word of the author doesn't mean shit outside of what made it into the final product.If it's not in the text, it's not canon, that's all there is to it.The sorting hat ain't anti-vax either.
>>732598007if we were following everything the devs made for UTY these threads would have died after one weekus wanting to fix what we feel they got wrong is what fueled the initial writings that then became the original projects we have
>>732598096it's just a pissing contest is all. The ending of Yellow is after all a contentious subject
>>732598096don't look at me, I wanted to see people rolling
>>732598096it is what it is
>>732597860Anon, you are being ragebaited. Nobody says buddy that many times unless they're explicitly trying to prod you.
>>732598134>Hopefully you can see the logical through line between that and wanting UTY to defy its intended purpose and give the characters a better ending, regardless of how much it hurts the original UT characters.Not really, because there's a difference between a prophecy, the future being foretold from the past, versus just having a story set in the past before a certain specific event.I can actually respect not being satisfied with how things end up, god knows I wish the Freelancers got more time before being killed off, but that doesn't make the material itself fundamentally "wrong" like you said it was, it's just not to your tastes, which again, is totally fine.
>>732598164I suppose it's just a difference in opinion then, and I feel that the authors noting that it wasn't done as a specific change to martlet's character but to avoid making another look bad makes sense with what we were shown in the game about her
>>732598164Oh come on here just because JK Rowling is an idiot doesn't discredit every time an author has something to say about their works or decides they did something wrong. plus most importantly >>732598176
>>732598116>well yes, she would have because the authors wrote her wrong to spare another characters feelings.Still wrong.The creators didn't write her "wrong", they wrote her how they wrote her. How you feel about that is entirely irrelevant here.Cut content is cut content, no matter why it was cut to begin with, it still isn't canon no matter how hard you piss your pants about it.
>>732597975>the goal is to get irrevocably attached to these characters so you can write and draw about them anon. I'm sorry but there's no other wayI'll just be a filthy secondary until someone makes my idealized good ending mod. Then I can have my cake and eat it too. What I'm really here for is everything buy UTY, I just read and occasionally partake in UTY discussion to kill time while waiting on DRY, Naranja, and Wildfire updates.>I'm not "demanding" you play it, but its a shame for you to miss out on the things we were discussing at the time.I know basically everything about the game just from seeing it discussed so much. I guess I'm missing out on the experience, but its an experience I would much rather miss out on. I am very much and ends justify the means person when it comes to games, or rather ends can absolutely rob the means of justification person.
>>732598326you're simply wrong. Knowing why it was cut is all the difference.
>>732598176>if we were following everything the devs made for UTY these threads would have died after one weekI didn't say you have to adhere to what they say and do 100%, I said that you can't insist that something that isn't in the actual game is canon.Those aren't the same things.
>>732597762oh cool, its been updated
>>732598053You know as well as I do that its practically the same experience. I do not want to get attached to the characters just to watch them suffer and die at the end.
>>732598354Nope.Not in the game, not in the text, not canon.No shirt, no shoes, no service.All there is to it.
>>732598410sorry anon, you are incorrect. Authors make mistakes and this is one of them.
>>732598293Death of the author is an important concept. Fiction isn't just a solipsist account but is an engagement with a reader, viewer or player. Regardless of what the author has to say, personal interpretation on the consumer's side of it is also important and should be considered when analyzing a work.
>>732598449>Regardless of what the author has to say, personal interpretation on the consumer's side of it is also important and should be considered when analyzing a work.I agree with this, but I'm saying using Rowling specifically is wacky. it's using the worst example of something to paint a broad picture.
>>732597762I got time to color Sig's snake girl and everythinghttps://litter.catbox.moe/b23fd730wvwg2lb4.png
>>732598443Yes, authors do make mistakes, and like any other mistake, you can't just undo it whenever you want.Whatever was in the final version of the game, mistake or not, bad decision or not, is what's canon.Martlet leaving Clover to face Asgore alone is in the game, her standing up for them is not.That's all there is to it.
>>732598242>Not really, because there's a difference between a prophecy, the future being foretold from the past, versus just having a story set in the past before a certain specific event.The principle is the same. Its a story you already know the end to, and you change it because you don't like the ending.>but that doesn't make the material itself fundamentally "wrong" like you said it wasIn the case of Undertale it is wrong. It deprives the player of choice in the player choice game. But even outside of Undertale, I don't really care if its right or wrong. I hate it, and will always oppose it because I hate it.
kinda hit a bump at the end but it was a good thread overallsad that kanaclover focus is slowing down
>>732598548>you can't just undo it whenever you want.actually mistakes like this are really easy to fix by simply writing what should have happened instead. the example of your image is her failing to just go do that. its as simple as that, and besides that we have the grand word of tobert who basically said "canon isn't real lmao imagine whatever you want". this series in particular is the worst one to make the canon argument.
>>732598592>sad that kanaclover focus is slowing downWe just got new art from Sig, besides, Naranja was the big topic of today
>>732598562>The principle is the same.Not necessarily.Prophecy is a prediction of something that hasn't happened yet, a story set in the past is just that, a story set before the events of some other story, but that doesn't mean the first story hasn't still happened or already been experienced.Deltarune isn't some prequel to a story we've already heard before (not with the prophecy at least, I know about all the other stuff), but UTY was explicitly intended as a prequel to UT, a story we've already experienced and know the specifics of.TL;DR, it's the Halo: Reach argument again.If you don't like it, that's whatever, but I think stories you already know the ending of can still be entertaining, it just depends on how you do it.
>>732598592>>732598709the other drawanon also did a big one.
>>732598548a more contemporary example of that pic
>>732598592Well there's this image the Martlet Drawanon did of Kanako and Cole. So there's some kanaclover which you can enjoy.>>732594261
>>732598545Nice one anon!>>732598504>>732598548I agree that Rowling's later headcanons are horrendous. Harry Potter never was high art in any respect, but I did like how Harry Potter ended up with Ginny and not Hermione. Marrying your best friend's little sister is based and Ron and Hermione contrast each other nicely. It would have been too derivative to just throw Harry with Hermione.>>732598592Kanaclover on the other hand is obvious but works very well.
>>732598768the author could literally just got back and rewrite it, and now there'd be 2 canons. checkmate. though the problem here is that mangaka work on such shitty schedule crunch already
>>732598645>actually mistakes like this are really easy to fix by simply writing what should have happened instead.Can't do that after the fact pal.The book's out, it's written, it's been read by millions of people, it's already done.>its as simple as that, and besides that we have the grand word of tobert who basically said "canon isn't real lmao imagine whatever you want".Yeah, that argument doesn't work against what's on-screen pal, nice try.The "imagination" idea is for what's off-screen, anything that's on-screen is set in stone, and you know what's on-screen?Martlet leaving Clover to face Asgore alone.You know what's off-screen?Martlet standing up for Clover against Asgore.That's all there is to it buddy, you don't have an argument.
>>732598709You forget the Cole and Kanako image the Martlet Drawanon did as well.
>>732598728the problem with the halo reach argument is that in reach you're a soldier who can reasonably make big choices like that while in uty you're just playing as a scared kid
>>732598728>but that doesn't mean the first story hasn't still happened or already been experienced.None of those things matter. You can simply write a better ending expressly at the expense of the other story. And you should if that's what it takes, since this is not that other story and its ending comes first.> but I think stories you already know the ending of can still be entertainingOnly if the ending doesn't matter, but in UTY the ending matters a lot. You can't really change anything unless you go for the evil kill everyone route.
>>732598852>Can't do that after the fact pal.you can, there's just two canons now, and undertale is a series that has been given divine mandate by tobert J faux himself to change the canon as we see fit.so thus we fans can simply write the correct ending because the authors fucked it up, because martlet would not have done that, and thus she didn't. off screen also doesn't matter here, mandate of heaven.
>>732598728You know I have Reach sitting on my shelf right now, and I can tell you it isn't there for the plot. Honestly this discussion is making me want to lower its position in my backlog.
>>732599009you fool, you've grown my folder by +1 image
>>732598896>You can simply write a better ending expressly at the expense of the other story.Yeah, except that's not what they wanted to do, idiot.Your entire argument here is that you just don't like that they wanted to write a story that leads into the original game, which isn't an argument, it's not what they "should've" done, just something they could've, if they wanted to throw away then entire story they were telling in favor of a complete non-sequitur ending for people who can't handle it when a story makes them feel anything other than like they just got their dick sucked.
Man, this argument feels like everyone is worse off for having it.
>>732598971>and I can tell you it isn't there for the plot.What the hell is it there for?It's easily the least fun Bungie Halo game mechanically, and it's campaign is slow as hell and takes an eternity to get going.It's a good game in it's own right, but by far one of the weakest Halo games.
>>732599062yes, I'd be Ok if we didn't continue this one any further this week personally. It's been a good thread overall but this isn't one of those "fun arguments," and I think with as quick as the post count shot up it's probably several people.
>>732598937>so thus we fans can simply write the correct ending because the authors fucked it up, because martlet would not have done that, and thus she didn't. You can write whatever you want, I have no problem with that, but that's not what this was about and you know it.This was a conversation about what's *canon*, and if something isn't on-screen in the official material, it's not canon.Maybe *your* version of Martlet stood up for Clover and got dragged out of the castle, but the canon Martlet did no such thing, and that's that.
>>732599035They're free to write whatever they want and I'm free to express just how much I hate what they've written.I have my opinions on how fiction should be written and I'm going to express them how I see fit. Especially when I'm being told to play a game, then people start arguing with me over my reasons for not wanting to play it.
>>732599127I dunno, we have plenty of energy and all
>>732599161>They're free to write whatever they want and I'm free to express just how much I hate what they've written.That's fine, but that doesn't make what they wrote "wrong" like you said.>Especially when I'm being told to play a game, then people start arguing with me over my reasons for not wanting to play it.That's one of the other guys, I didn't tell you to play shit.
>>732599096Mainly because if I bought four discs I got fifth one for free. That and because I liked the other Halo games' gameplay and visuals.
>>732599032you say that like its a bad thing
>>732599158>You can write whatever you want, I have no problem with that, but that's not what this was about and you know it.it is because one of the foundations of these threads is "they wrote the ending wrong, lets fix it" and from there everything spirals. >but the canon Martlet did no such thing, and that's that.she would have and thus was written incorrectly.
>>732599197No i mean this particular discussion. We were robbed of our first thread afterall
>>732599230plus 2 is is then ya varmint
>>732599216Its wrong because I say its wrong. Fiction is all the work of the mind. Nothing about it is real or objection. Its all imagination and opinion, completely subjective. The only "objectivity" we have in fiction is the opinion the vast majority of people hold. I say its wrong, you say its right, each of us are correct from our own point of view, and we can only make emotional appeals to each other since that's all that truly applies.
>>732599225>bought four discs I got fifth one for free.Like, other Halo games, or just four other discs of whatever?>That and because I liked the other Halo games' gameplay and visuals.Oof. Like I said, Reach is a fine game by itself and all, but the gameplay and visuals are honestly just a massive downgrade from 3.Bungie really went from making a classic styled arena shooter set in beautiful sci-fi locations to a fairly standard loadout-based shooter set in eastern europe but in space.And now everything's caked in dirt for no reason.Like, it's a hard sell if I'm being honest.
>>732599231>it is because one of the foundations of these threads is "they wrote the ending wrong, lets fix it" and from there everything spirals. Way to move the goalposts jackass.This argument was about what's canon, not what *ought* to be canon, and now you're changing shit up because you can't handle being told that something that isn't in the actual game isn't canon.>she would have and thus was written incorrectly.If she would've done it she would've done it.But, she didn't, so she wouldn't have.All there is to it.
>>732599374>Like, other Halo games, or just four other discs of whatever?Four discs of whatever. Half of what I bought were kung fu movies. >Like I said, Reach is a fine game by itself and all, but the gameplay and visuals are honestly just a massive downgrade from 3.How does it compare to 1? That's my favorite aesthetically out of the four I've played (1, 2, ODST, and 4)
>>732599158also, you're the one that tried to make it explicitly about whats canon or not. also the discussion was not originally about if it was canon, it was about someone not liking the ending, and me bringing up that the characters acted out of character with an example and you brought up canon. Thats essentially changing the topic when the point was that the way everyone acted was out of character. just because an author puts something in his book doesn't make it in character, hell after a certain point the author doesn't even get to decide that anymore.
>>732599353>Its wrong because I say its wrong.Yeah, that's not an argument.There is no objectively correct way to write a story, and you not personally liking something doesn't make it objectively incorrect either, you're just twelve.
>>732599476>Way to move the goalposts jackass.sure thing, considering this whole conversation was a shifted goalpost in the first place.you are fundamentally wrong.
>>732599514>How does it compare to 1? That's my favorite aesthetically out of the four I've played (1, 2, ODST, and 4)How does it compare aesthetically?Bad.You know how Half-Life 2 went from being a stylish sci-fi dystopia with really striking visuals in it's beta, to being set in eastern europe with some alien tech scattered around?It's like that.All the weapons are painfully realistically designed, all the armor has dirt and scratches on it and is realistically proportioned, nothing stands out anymore. All the style the Halo games had before Reach was taken out back and shot.
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