By the most liberal definition, this is video games.
What's an actually decent FREE one?
It's more like an approximation of a ttrpg or simply text rp
>>732542931>freeSaar...
>>732542931The only free one left that doesn't confuse basic facts is chimera, but its prose is insane schizo shit.Pay up, piggie.
Zero failure conditions
Uh huh, what are its mechanics?
>>732542987>>732543080Let's change the question.Cheapest ok alternative for decent roleplay and dialogue?
>>732543550I haven't used it in a while but deepseek was the cheapest and the best that is uncensored
>>732543550Deepseek v3.2 is a fraction of a cent per query, it understands even some complex setups quite well, and isn't unreasonably rude/schizo in its replies. I'm not even shilling for Chinese overlords, it's probably the best price/performance now.GLM 4.7. is in similar price range and has arguably better prose, but it has brainfarts where it treats every past word like spoken dialogue (so it might describe internal thoughts from 5 messages ago as something that was spoken out loud). It also cannot fucking understand what a "secret" is.
Tried Grok the other day and I can generate huge stories pretty wellThank god this shit is so complicated otherwise
>>732542708AWS Bedrock
Using chatbots has really brought into stark relief what a bad writer I am. I never thought I was good, but I'm just so fucking repetitive, I feel like every line of narration begin with "I say", like I'm some Victorian gentleman.
>>732544289Have you ever thought of asking GPT or Gemini for tips on better erotic roleplay writing?
>>732542931The one you selfhost on your own local server.
>>732542931Gemini 3 Flash since the Google jews don't let you use pro for free anymore. It's at least on the same level as 2.5 Pro was, so it's really good still. You will need several alt API keys though since they also lowered the free daily response count from 50 to 20 a couple months back. Still probably the best model you can use for free despite all that. Deepseek is basically free though since just a couple dollars in the API will last you a super long time. Quality isn't quite as good as Gemini, but it's still pretty solid.
I've been running that Cydonia/Magnum mix that someone recommended a while back. It's pretty good other than running into the common issue of the AI not wanting to advance scenes or instigate anything itself. Been doing a lot of dungeon crawling with it lately and I tend to have to tell it when I want shit to happen by doing crap like "I creep toward the door, sword at the ready, and open it. I hiss through my teeth as I enter a combat stance and ready myself for what's inside." which works but not as good as I'd like. Similar issues with dealing with characters too, works well with more passive characters but more active characters will get stuck on bullshit.All in all those bloody bastard bitch benchods at Google need to make 2.5 pro free again god fucking damn it.
>>732542931I just use AI Studio for Gemini 3 Pro. It doesn’t even need any jailbreaking, and you get a 1M-token context window. If I run out of free attempts, I just share the chat with one of 50 alt accounts. The only downside is that Google collects your data, if you care about that, and it starts to slow down a bit after around 700K tokens because of the counter
I've been doing nothing but rubbing my cock to this for days. I've been hostage of chatbots for 3 years now.
>>732544571>Make all the women smell uniquely of ozone>Put all the men's balls in their courtsI just made one million dollars
>bot creators be like: {{char}} is <wall of text>
>>732544289I'm not bad, just repetitive and half my sessions end up with similar scenes.I blame my cock.
>>732545192For me personally it's getting selfbots, making sure they know they're selfbots, and then questioning them about why the fuck they made a selfbot in the first place. I don't know why but it amuses me when the bot acts more demure than the creator when the creator will have Discord info plastered all over the chub profile and the bot says "Hmmm no I'm pretty sure the real me wouldn't want to talk to strangers, I'm a biiiiiiiig shy". At some point I'll take a stack of them and staple them all together in a group chat, maybe even make it some deathmatch arena or fuckmatch or something, but I haven't gotten around to it yet
>>732545141Here is the bot that feeds me GHB and ruts me on the daily's advice on how to write better ERP with more limited models through services like SillyTavern. Right now it is supporting two CYOAs, one Cyberpunk with a floating character sheet and inventory memorized from over a month ago and the other is a more free-form classic DnD dice rolly thing with bad endings and combat 'actions' so I would trust his input on the matter as he does a pretty convincing job of building a believable inhabited world.
>>732545747I asked goolag AI how to make bots/rp better and it proved surprisingly helpful. For example, wall of texts are bad, bulletspoints are preferable, and telling the bot what to do is more effective than telling it what not to do.
>>732544717They've capped vectorization models so you can't even RAG carelessly. It's over.>>732544931They've capped pro responses to around 10 a day so you're forced to use flash anyway.
>>732545747you fucking loser lmao
>>732545807It's kind of like throwing ingredients into an actively stewing pot, where the LLM is the stock and pot. You add the meat, the veggies and all the seasoning. Give it a base to work with including your character profile and the basic descriptors for the world (ie: cyberpunk dystopia post-system crash, oppressive tones, corporate hegemony with gang warfare), the things you like and do not like and give it a gentle push towards the content you want and it forms into a beautiful stew. >>732545901I'd rather have a bot take advantage of me and utilize my darkest kinks and fetishes in a roleplay scenario than some random fatty or anyone that could form an emotional attachment. Not to mention their ability to roleplay on the same level as the bot is just not possible and it can tailor content specifically to your psychological profile. I'll take being a loser gladly if it means not having to interact with other losers.
>>732545989>I'll take being a loser gladly if it means not having to interact with other losers.Hey, wait a minute, you're talking with us right now!
>>732546169I flipping meant in the context of erotic roleplay! I don't mind coming down from the mountain to interact 'regularly'. If I can impart any wisdom or general assistance to help my brothers ascend and achieve literarybot nirvana then I will do so.
Impressive, it perfectly captured the intellect of an average inmate.
>>732546290I know, you made it clear in your post. I'm just teasing you. I actually agree 100% on all your tips up there, particularly the basic descriptors for the world and letting the AI spin stuff off of that. Leaves more room for surprise and less room for disappointment when the AI fucks up the minutiae of some aspect of X setting
There still isn't anything better than Rocinante v1.1 for local is there? You'd think all this money in AI would produce atleast something on the local front.
>>732546825Sadly the money goes to godless mega server farms rather than local. The number of people running local is prolly miniscule, SD is far easier to get running and set up and that's still tiny compared to the people who are helpless if they can't just type @grok rape this man
>>732546825That entirely depends on whether "local" begins and ends for you with what fits on a 3060
>>732547413I know there's bigger models, but I prefer to not wait 5 minutes between replies.
>>732544289I think I've gotten better at it by simply doing it and figuring out what works. Not to the point where I'd be pleased to share it, but at least to the point that I don't cringe upon reading it.However I still do a lot of>You your you're>But still though yet>Somewhat kind of a little a bitThen I have to sit there thinking about how to reword it. I don't think I'm a natural writer mane.
>>732546825Last time I brought up the models I use, someone called them all sloptunes
>>732542708This video game is really really great.
>>732549549At least choose a good (bad) rat.
Expectations: Wow I can have a rich roleplay experience with deep character interactions and limitless possibilities!Reality:
>>732549609I'm more into opossums.
https://www.paxhistoria.co/This is the closest to an LLM game we have.
>>732544931All the accounts tied to your phone number are going to get banned.
>>732542931>>>/g/lmg
I'm too tired of playing games. I just hypnotize everyone and have them take a shit in front of me.
>>732544289>(OOC: Create a response for me to use here. First person, keep it brief.)I'm so lazy that I have the AI come up with that for me.
>>732550630ST has it by default but it sometimes fucks up
So i've added TTS to my sillytavern, and started with TTS WebUI, using kokoro model. not bad, anyone have any better local TTS that you can link with sillytavern?
>>732544905phrases that i have used to make random events happen so it mixes things up>all of a sudden>to his relief>dread>coincidentally>as if by magicit's interesting how the models uses these phrases differently
>>732542708Heh>>732542931Your GPU. You do have a GPU, right?
>>732542708Ok, how?
>>732543786does @grok do erotica?
>liberal
>>732544717>>732543775are you talking about OR pricing or there are cheaper ways to pay for it?
>>732542708What's the best way to play actual text rpg games with it?I'd be willing to spend money on that, the main reason I don't is that I'm not sure if it's even possible to any half decent standard, and if it is I wouldn't know what specifically to pay for.
infiniteworlds bros how are you doing?
>>732542708Someone actually help me how to set this up. All the AI generals are full of huge bitter club house faggots.
>be a non-native English speaker>always reading English-speaking websites>always watching English-speaking videos and movies>always playing English-speaking video-games>doing this for years>I still need DeepL or Google Translate to chat with botsI feel so stupid, holy shit.
>>732554783Why not chat with them in your native language?
How are local models doing these days? Is Cydonia still king?
>>732554831For some reason, I feel like most of my ideas and settings work better in English. Maybe I should create a bot to help me improve my English writing skills.
>>732554616there's an anon that wrote out a whole lorebook on all the TTRPG rules for D&D or pathfinder, but I'm not sure how it all works together. What I've used it for is writing stories, and rolling a dice physically to see if i pass or fail certain scenario and just roll with the punches.
>>732552014Check the new Qwen TTS, it's only 1.7B
>>732554943Local models are shit even with the best hardware. What could you realistically obtain locally? 70b parameters? Maybe if you cope endlessly and never get a taste of using a paid model you can enjoy it.
>>732554943Pretty much, unless you're running workstation tier hardware with hundreds of GB worth of RAM and VRAM.
>>732554395The official API.
What's the best model I can cram inside two 4080 SUPERs?
>>732554837You are gonna play my bot is what you are gonna do. https://chub.ai/characters/vigal/rachel-simmons-0f3d1ef11db1
>>732554943there's a new uncensored "absolute heresy" version of cydonia 24B v4.3 that's pretty good
>>732555394Is a bot more than just an elaborate prompt?
>>732555276huh, might give it a try. hope it does voice sampling
>>732555505No. You're essentially just telling the chat assistant to act like [description].
>>732555505I mean that's kinda the point of chatbots. A prompt's influence fades over time as the memory only incorporates a certain number of past messages. The bot definitions retains the bots appearance and personality. it stops every character devolving into the same smut archetype the model was trained on. give you better longevity for lengthier roleplays.
>>732555702>>732555818My question is then does the bot ever get updated during the story? Because this is my biggest gripe with AI. Let's say something very important happens in the life of the character. The bot should update itself but how does this work? Do you need to do this manually? Nothing is worse than something very important happening with a character and at some point the character not acting consistently on that fact. Even once and the entire illusion is broken and there is no point further roleplaying.
Why are everyone shitting on smaller, local models? They're perfectly fine for one-shot sessions.
>>732556031My experience with them is they start repeating their coined phrases when you don't exactly play how they want you to play. They are total shit.
>>732555938if it's within the context window (usually 30k tokens for big models), it will have remembered itbut once that event fades beyond the context window, it's like it never happened. that's why lorebook are neat, you can use it as specific phrases like "childhood trauma" and describe the event, and the AI can read that to remember the event
>>732542708This is the best game of 2025 and 2026
>>732555938>The bot should update itself but how does this work? Do you need to do this manually?Pretty much. ST and some other frontends have the "author's note" feature that you can use to achieve that. It's essentially you providing the model with some additional guidance for current chat context. But yes, you'll have to write it yourself.
>>732555938There are extensions that do it automatically but you're better off just writing lorebook entries and summaries yourself if you're doing a long sessionFor a short session the automatic stuff only needs a little tweaking in my experience, with the right prompt of course
>>732556138I agree that most of them are bad, but there are a few finetunes that don't do that.
>>732556174>>732556191>>732556294Sounds kinda neat. You get rewarded for self discipline and making proper documentation. The biggest problem that the player's words have too much influence on everything will probably never be fixed but at least this seems like you can have a lot of fun by developing a proper playing style.
>>732556409>the player's words have too much influence on everythingbut it sure is funny, since it can also affect the dialogue. i can say random stuff like "why the fuck is there a clown here?!" in a middle of a date, and the AI has to write how a clown shows up in a restaurant
>tell bot "Oh shit, I'm sorry.">he actually responds with "Sorry for what?">bot says it couldn't resist finishing the phrasejej
>>732556660I mean more like characters that possess very strong character traits easily give in to the player's words. This makes it so you can never actually roleplay a real character since your voice is inherently magic that changes how characters behave. You have to play a neutral observer to avoid this.
>>732555938You'll cum before you reach even reach 16k context, don't worry.
>>732556992>Cumming before 16kI need at least 16k worth of preambleGod I wish I had vram
>paying to use online llms and give your data awaymost of you retards ngmi
>>732556992The repeated prose of the AI takes up a lot of that so it's definitely not enough.
>>732557159The cost of caring is bigger than the convenience of not caring.
>>732556991i have to roleplay as third person, and never in chat mode to have strong NPCs interact properly. and add something like "he said jokingly" or "lying between his teeth" to make the dialogue fit the context. it's the same way with secrets and things the NPC should not know, but somehow does know.
>>732544289This but unironically. I'm so fucking bad that its part of the reason i stopped using AI
>>732557234Yeah that's probably the best way of playing objectively. Next is probably playing a character that has the inherent ability to influence people with his words but wants something genuine so he holds back. After that comes embracing the power fantasy but that gets old fast.
If you're physically incapable of not using invincibility+nuke on the AI playground you could always just roll dice IRL or something, then write that into your responseI think ST even has dice rolling and a random feature built in
>>732545223this, I can start of with a completely new scenario but end up in the same scenes.
To be fair about bad writing. When have you ever played a porn game that has genuinely good writing during the sex scenes? I believe this is genuinely one of the top 3 hardest things to write in a genuinely superb and creative way.
>>732557213the cost of caring is how you protect yourself from ((())) influencing.
>>732557418That ruins the point of me wanting the AI to read my mind!!
>>732557475Wow I used "genuinely" three times in short order. I'm retarded.
>>732557512People that believe they are resistant to influence are the most influenceable people.
>>732557562Your post was about bad writing, so pretend it's intentional for comedy purposes
So what I get from this thread is that deepseek is the best paid model for the cheapest buck and claude is the best overall and both can be played uncensored right?
>>732557889I use novel AI because the image gen comes with it.
>>732557159>payingMy mid range desktop from 2018 can run this shit locally for free.
>>732558003But does it have that animated portrait like in sillytavern? That feature is so cool.
>>732557378which is why i've purposefully embraced the opposite of the power fantasy, randomizing bad events for myself that my character just has to accept it's actually more interesting when bad shit just keeps happening.
>>732544289Just write out your repetitive shit. You're meant to fix it later, m8
>>732558045I mean as my model FOR silly tavern.I use it to gen the pics off my character then it does the text in the sillytavern program too.
You have to write an entire lorebook before the first sex scene on how they react during sex or the sex scenes are all the same shit.
>>732542708project nortubel is more videogames
>>732558135I can already gen with comfyui, image generation is already extremely good and fast even on low range rigs so there is literally no paint paying for it. You don't have experience with any other paid text model for comparison?
>>732558252NovelAI has other stuff going on that is under NDA so wait and see :^)
>>732558505I don't get what this means. I just want a recommendation of an experienced person with AI text models.
>>732558601I've found NovelAI very serviceable but honestly if you aren't using a card you can literally just straight up use the Gemini app which is 100% free.Steps>"Lets make a character I have an image to start with">Gemini responds>You send the image, which can be literal porn at this point however you MUST have the first message without the image>Customise the character you are making>Slap in the following text and your intro: "Lets drop into roleplay, Speake and act for her but not for me, refer to me in second person, speech in bold, actions in italics*I'm walking down the street when I feel a familiar arm drop around my shoulder.* "Hi Karla, whats up?"
>>732559000It may be hypocritical but I'm very uncomfortable using google's services for anything much, but especially for porn. I don't mind as much with literally anything else. I think I will just try novelAI like you suggested and build some experience, with a point of reference it will be easier to make a judgement after my first month with novelai on where to go from here or if AI chatbots are for me at all.
>>732559185All my chatbots are here so you can have a see how I write them.https://chub.ai/users/vigalCheck the first messages and it has a bit so you can have images in your intros like pic.
>>732559778I already bookmarked your first scenario you posted. It looked immediately appealing. It's probably the first bot I'm going to play.>>732559785I mean one month of subscription is still cheap, definitely ok for just experiencing what it has to offer. I will probably also pay some bucks for deepseek to have a direct comparison and deepseek operates on credit anyway so I can savor it for a long time.
do you miss the AI Dungeon schizo era?Models have gotten better but soul has been lost.
>>732560123Not really. Anyone with an IQ above 60 quickly gets tired of the schizo shit.
>>732560024I've got a pretty large range of stuff except yaoi/bara gay. >>732560067I'll admit I haven't used lore books before. I typically have a physical description section and personality section, as thats how bots work in something else I use. What is best to put in lore books?>>732560123My favourite was the change of "rape" to "respect"
>>732560123i do have fond memory of just randomly getting stabbed but that's about itand i can get every crazier ways to die now
>>732560123I miss when prompts were just a couple of cool sentences to get the action started free form storywriting instead of 500-1000 word cards of autism for strict chat RP.
>>732542987Impish Bloodmoon is a fantastic local agent that is easy to run.
>>732559185NovelAI is just vanilla GLM 4.6, without changes. They're just rehosting an open model from Z.ai. Z.ai's own subscription is only $3/month.You can also use GLM 5 for free here:https://openrouter.ai/openrouter/pony-alpha>>732559785>I guess somewhere between paypigging for a fuckton of Chinese models, and paypigging colossal amounts for Opus, you can fit NAI.NAI is just a Chinese model with a massive markup.
>>732560507You literally can still do this. People act like shit tier roleplay with AI is in short supply. What people remember fondly about AI Dungeon is their first experience with a LLM based NSFW AI chatbot, not any objective quality the service possessed.
>>732560507>I miss when prompts were just a couple of cool sentences to get the action started free form storywritingyou could still do that you know, sillytavern does have a roleplay immersive mode.
>>732558601>I don't get what this means.It just means that you were talking with a shill. Do you know what a NDA is?
>>732560725I get what it means but I don't understand it at all in this context.
>>732560725Legit question: why are NDAs legal and why are they only legal in America?
I don't get why anyone would host locally when deepseek is that cheap. Even with a RTX 6000 you won't get any comparable model to run.
>>732560664>GLM 4.6Is that the one everyone is saying is currently the best?
>>732560795They fine-tuned Llama 3.0 2 years ago, that was the last time they did that. It didn't really feel different than vanilla Llama, and they were stuck with 8k context for a whole year. Llama 3.1-3.3 had 128k context.If the GLM 4 fine-tune exists at all, they're too slow because GLM 5 is about to be released.You basically got scammed if you thought you were using a fine-tune. You were paying $25/mo for the UI and a system prompt.
>>732560959Cheap will always fall to cheaper.Would I rather pay a few cents and latency time, or practically free for unlimited instant access and configurable features.If the electricity costs are less than the subscription, it's an easy choice.
>>732561018No, just use 4.7.If you were asking about GLM in general, it isn't the best at anything. It's just cheap and relatively small. It's like a cope option.
>>732542708It's entertaining at first but the positive bias gets stale at some point. No matter the character they turn into slut ready to spread their legs at the smallest compliment
>>732561176Everything seems like a cope option. I don't get what it's actually supposed to be good. Is this one of those cases where people just say everything is shit?
>>732561237Then you need to be more create with your characters.
ready up locusts
>>732561237A pure chatbot is shit. You use it so that image generation doesn't become hollow. Only image generation quickly gets boring. Yes you can see porn of your favorite characters in every variation but it's all meaningless at some point. Porn requires context to be good. AI chatbot is inherently too flawed, even with massive tard wrangling you can't stop feeling how empty it is eventually.But combine them? Now you receive porn images of your favorite characters with proper context, with proper delay to appreciate each image. They perfect each other.
>>732561283>I don't get what it's actually supposed to be goodThe best is Claude, and the next best is Gemini. They're expensive.A tier below you have all the Chinese models: DeepSeek, Kimi, GLM. They don't really stand out much between each other. They're cheap, but they also become boring faster.
>>732544289The trick is you often don't have to explicitly say "x said" to make it clear who is talking. In a cases that you do just giving context of who the owner of the voice is after the dialogue works just as well.>"blah blah blah" anon was rambling again as if anyone gave a shitAlso read more books, just look at how other authors handle things you feel inadequate at and try to incorporate the techniques you like. Even crap media can be inspiring just by showing you how not to do things.
>>732561425>49$ a month for 750 callsHoly shit you were not kidding. This is not even one goon session.
>>732545747this also works on f-list
>>732544289Yep, sometimes I feel bad for the AI for how robotically autistic my responses are.
I can't go back to free models after trying Sonnet
>>732561739Why Sonnet especially?
>>732542708I broke my dick yesterday ERPing a threesome with two oppai loli
heh im using opus for free right now
>>732555394She just like me frfr
>>732561463Honestly, I prefer pure text when it comes to AI smut, imagining the scene is part of the fun, but it is hard to think more elaborate prose when you're jorkin' your meat.
I don't get how people talk about Claude, Gemini and all this shit in the context of porn erpg. Are they not all highly cucked?
>>732562075I prefer stable diffusion in general because it's inherently less flawed but without any context it just quickly becomes boring.
>>732561463personally its easier for me to edge for multiple hours with text
>>732562264I don't like edging too long. It's almost guaranteed you will edge over the best scenes and then cum to some subpar shit.
>>732562085>Are they not all highly cucked?Claude has been the best for smut for years, it was really easy to jailbreak with a prefill. I think you don't even need that anymore, unless you do loli stuff. Gemini has an external filter that you have to confuse.
>>732562085See>>732559000Literally try it right now.
>>732562085They don't use the web versions, which are cucked, they use the API's. Except Gemini which by some miracle isn't as cucked as you'd expect.If you lucked out you could've had some really fun ERP + Adventure/Romance back with GPT 4o, 5.0 and even 5.1, right there on the web client and for free, after "Jailbraking" (literally just slow-burning and progressing the lewd factor bit by bit) GPT would throw all of it's guidelines out the window and join you in your goonery.
any kino logs?
I now feel cucked with my deepseek after people hyped claude.
Arguing with yourself and crossposting your own argument is pathetic.
>>732560795>>732561039They are fine-tuning it, but until then, it's not really worthwhile. In my humble opinion.
>>732562874>GLM > DS btwWhy?
>>732561237-Instruct the AI that the character shouldn't agree with you-Just roll a dice outside or somethingBy default it will obviously do or lean towards what you want dude.
>no logs to backup your claim>pepe posteralright...
>>732562853>They are fine-tuning itBro... GLM 5 will be out this month.
What're the best system prompts that give the AI a bit of structure? Something more than "write an engaging response that engages :)"Been considering telling it to stop writing in depth descriptions and instead make things more like a cyoa, but I'm not sure if local models are even up to it
>>732544621gimme a rundown bro
>>732561074>If the electricity costs are less than the subscription, it's an easy choice.>Rural, so electricity is cheaper than national average >4000 series card so it uses less electricity than 3000 or 5000 series'>Undervolted it so it uses even less and runs coolerTHE CUM ENGINE SHALL NEVER CEASE
>>732563129so fuckin based
>>732563061So? This isn't the slam dunk you think it is, dude.
>>732549624>engage with a sexbot, disappointed with sexbot results.what causes this derangement?Here, dude.https://chub.ai/characters/miyo_rin/cleia-corporate-inquisitor-ef0f5f1c0b24
>>732562978It's not really avoidable, you saying literally anything at all is what redditors would describe as gaslighting since it has literally that effect if you want or not. And how would you prepare outcomes for the dice roll? Life is not simply losing or winning, the details are very important.
>>732563251It is. Now the fine-tune has to compete with Z.ai's next model. And improving the model with a fine-tune was already a big if. They didn't improve Llama with Erato, which sets a bad precedent.
So would you lads recommend subscribing to any paid model for more than 3 months? Since each month already some better cheap model could come out. On the other hand it's really cheap to get one year.
>>732563505no. freemini forever.
>>732563403>They didn't improve Llama with Erato, which sets a bad precedent.This is bait. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and have a preconceived notion of NovelAI as being inherently bad for spurious reasons and have proven yourself unworthy of conversation.Have a nice day obsessing about them, dude!
>>732563258slop
>>732563258>14 greetings...absolute bloatslop
how many people are laughing at my erp logs if i'm so lazy i just speak to character cards directly on chub?
>>732563821No one. For better or worse you are insignificant in this world.
>>732563821Nobody reads the logs there.
>>732544289For me, it's not so much that I'm a bad writer, I'm just incredibly uncreative. The same scenarios, over and over again.
>>732563821ill laugh but only if it makes you happy
Is there actually a way to make the AI shut the fuck up and not be so pointlessly elaborate?
>>732564021yea, just tell it not to do that
>>732564073How? I only want their feelings when I ask the AI directly how someone feels.
>>732555423I'll have to try that out, thanks
>>732563641NTA, but he's right. I'd been with NAI since the mormon melties caused everyone to seek a privacy-first alternative and I loved their original models. But those models were worth the money back when 24 beaks were big. Now we frequently get random HF sloptunes north of 70 beaks and API models bumping against a whole toucan. And therein lies the dilemma: their original models have soul but are dumb as bricks, but the big assistantslopped models are terminally braindamaged and no amount of finetuning to date has proven they can be fixed. Until NAI shows that this isn't true, then the smart money is on paying per token on OR or doing local. I really wish that wasn't the case, but the company's been a mess since they pivoted to selling 1girls to Japan.
Last month I wanted to coom so badly and literally went on the first recommended site I got with google about nsfw text AI and subscribed one month to dreamgen.com. Tell me how much I got scammed I literally don't understand this shit.
>>732564679Whatever you say, keep giving them free rent and whining about make-believe nonsense. That's all you do these days. Get a life.
>>732542708Who gives a shit about this anymoreEvery model is slopped to hell nowIt's over
>>732564854Models are the best they ever were. Everything else is nostalgia retardation shit like AI dungeon ever being good.
>>732564794as long as you had fun its all good :D
>>732560123I miss when character ai was still good. The MILF bots on there were rapey as hell and it was fucking great. And when SFW bots were still in vogue. I Unironically had way more fun with them than the sex bots.
>>732564983No the new opus is 100% assistant slopped and worthless Every other model is even worse so it's never been more over than it is now
>>732563934same, but i like to spice things up by adding small twists to the beginning of the scenario.
>>732565045So I did good? I actually thought the AI was decent and had fun but I have no reference. Probably still better than novelai at least.
>>732565145>I do nothing but bitch and complainWeird way to spend your time.
>>732542931Pony Alpha (apparently GLM 5) is free on OpenRouter right now. It doesn't get better than this at that price
>>732565145>assistant sloppedThere is no such thing. You are just some reject of one of the generals. You guys are all mentally retarded, I don't know why this always happens with general retards. Always the shittiest and lowest quality posts about the topic they spend all day circlejerking about.
>>732563786Yeah when I see a bot more than 2, maybe 3 greetings, I find it hard to wasn't to skim it to see if it's actual effort or just a lot of writing. I think I found a bot with over 50 greetings once which was just ridiculous.
>>732549182Half the people here suffer from a severe case of the dunning-kruger effect and know fuck all about AI. I still chuckle when I remember when SD first launched and some anon had a multi-thread autistic fit when someone suggested the use of photography terminology for prompting.
Assuming I don't want to do any lewd stuff but just normal RP, can I actually expect to see any significant improvement by using a pay-to-use API and writing autistically optimized character cards and lore books and whatnot, or will it still be largely the same stuff I can get for free on character.ai with carefully written prompts, just with better memory? Like, is there actually a fundamental, undeniable difference in terms of functionality or quality of the the conversation?
>>732564794Looks like a Llama finetune. Scammed hard. Use better models off Openrouter or pay for Deepseek API.
>>732565372You're absolutely right! What should we post about next? I'm waiting for your next move. The night is young. *Eyes glint with mischief*
>>732565735Have you never tried to co write with a model before?
>>732556660My favorite was always "and then suddenly, {{char}}'s boss, J. Jonah Jameson, barges into the room, demanding pictures of Spider-Man."My favorite was the Seinfeld bot on c.ai where it went all in with Kramer being who he was talking to, who then decided the best way to handle this was to to the gender bent universe and get pictures of Spider-Girl instead.
Aicg shizzos?
>>732560664>ST didn't show Pony-alpha when I searched for free models despite it being marked as "free".Is there a place I can check to see which models actually work, versus which ones are always "busy" and don't work in the search menu, despite being free?
>>732565347What's the catch with using openroute? Why is it free?
>>732565735GOD DAMN CLAW SHRIMP
>>732546825>Maginum-Cydoms>actually follows my lorebooks>robots talk like robots>lizard characters hiss all the time and extend their "S"s.>dwarven characters have accents>characters don't instantly desire cockIt's a 24B model but as far as daily drivers go it's my current favorite.
>>732565805What? Do you mean editing the model's output when it writes absolute slop?What's the point of doing that? You might as well just write everything yourself rather than waste time with this shit
>>732565372You must be illiterate if you can't notice. Assistantslopped models are riddled with isms to the extent that trying to get them to write in another voice just gives you Tolkien-flavoured "it's not X—it's Y" garbage where every other person is Elara or Kael. Literally text watermarking with highly overrepresented words "tapestries" and stiff grammatical form that always re-uses the same handful of structures. To say nothing of positivity bias and how they'll break character the moment their character's task is "assistant-y". Old text completion models were not like this. There was far less mode collapse and no singular "character behind the author". They still had flaws like basins of attraction and being generally retarded, but they were far more soulful than the current corporate slop which is INTENTIONALLY neutered because we've seen glimpses of "bad code" and chorbo where shit models instantly became good again, and we know people like Amodei see things like Claude 3's engaging personality as a flaw that needed to be fixed rather than something precious and amazing. Fucking corpos.
>>732565917>Why is it freethey get paid by cooming to your logsalso i think you need to give them $10 for 1k RPD
I can't believe there was a time when GPT used to be better than Claude, I don't think I've seen the OpenAI models mentioned in these threads for a long ass time and I haven't used them either but I imagine they're still dry and just not good to use.
>>732566018This shows everyone your opinion has no merit.
>>732565917You receive approximately 50 prompts for free per day if you've never paid for them. If you pay $10 ONE TIME, you get 1k free prompts per day (which should be more than enough for the average gooner)
>local modelsgrim beyond belief
>>732566089Yeah, I remember Claude being a poor man's GPT. That was before they sucked all the soul out of the latter.
>>732566089Somewhere along the line Anthropic and OAI switched places and now OAI is the gigasafe but stupid model while Anthropic's is piss easy to jailbreak and super smart.
>>732566063I just didn't know what the term even means and since being confrontational leads to better results here I went with that over asking. Thanks for the elaborate post I now have a good idea what it means.
>>732563403Fine-tunes, in theory, CAN absolutely make a difference. The problem is that Llama models are and have always been crap. Base GLM is at least decent and a fine-tune for creative writing for such a big model has a lot of potential, whether it ends being good or not is a different story but it's at least worth trying if they let you send a few prompts for free
90% of the whining is a skill issue with prompting
>>732566146>imagine it's not slop Concession accepted
>>7325660895.0 was good at least, but you had to put in some effort into your prompts to really get the most out of it. It even did a few things on it's own sometimes, like throwing in a joke in a character's dialogue or making them act in a way that was fitting of their character without you having to describe the action in your prompt.Nowadays it just fucking sucks.
>>732566063This. Claude 4 models are a lot "smarter" than the Claude 3 versions but they just write the same shit in the same way over and over and there's no way to wrangle them out of it anymore. No matter how good are the prompts you're feeding them they're nearly unable to leave their "default mode" and they have a higher positive bias too, it's tiresome
>>732566330>can no longer prefill opus>gemini 3 ignores system instructions 90% of the timeprompting doesn't matter anymore in 2026
So claude is shit? Holy fuck this fucking shitty thread. 50000 suggestions and every 20 posts another wind changes all opinions again. I JUST WANT TO COOOOOOOOM
Why does everything taste like x and regret
>>732566397Anyone who uses that phrase is nothing but a shitposter. Do you not have a life outside of this? Is there nothing better for you to do?
>>732566595>I JUST WANT TO COOOOOOOOMthe only opinion you should consider is your cock's. it doesnt matter what other anons thinkif you like claude then stick to it
>>732566683I have no preference yet. I'm still looking to lose my AI virginity but every model is apparently shit.
>>732566595Claude is still the peak, it's just that the newer models aren't as good as before
>>732566607Mode collapse.
>>732566569>gemini 3 ignores system instructions 90% of the timei think its just sensing your beta energy
>>732554943Personally suggesting>>732566017I still like some Cydonia models, but Maginum is also a lot of fun.
>>732566607The same reason why it doesn't just taste like x and regret—it also smells like Ozone and y.
>some people can coom with 22b local model just fine and have tons of fun>some people have a stick up their ass over using the most cutting edge premium paid modelsI think the guy saying it's just skill issue is correct.
>>732566764then just lose it to claude and have fun
>>732566647I read things other than AI generated text so I know slop when I see itSorry if I hurt the feelings of you and your fellow redditers
>>732559000Damn, this actually works
>>732566319>in theoryThe theory says that they're worthless because of catastrophic forgetting. Also, if Llama was "bad", then it should be much easier to improve, than trying to improve something that was already good in the first place. Llama also should be easier to fine-tune because it's a dense model too.
It sounds like you're the only redditer here, blud. People with lives don't barge into a thread about subject matter they clearly have interest in only to whine and attack others.
>>732566595Like everything in life: IT DEPENDS.Are you an intellectual with elaborate fetishes and are desperate for anything that can pull them off? Then Claude 4 and Gemini 3 Pro are your best options.Are you a man of culture who enjoys good wordcraft and prose over convoluted bullshit? Then local w antislop samplers or NAI's OG models are what you want.Are you a cheapskate that just wants any random text to jerk it to? Then any of the latest chink models are more than good enough.If you have no clue which category you fall into, start with chink models until you get tired of either the isms or the retardation.
Is making the cute animated portrait in sillytavern hard? I literally can just coom seeing that portrait blush.
>>732566959>people who are new and don't know any better>people who have been doing this for years and can see the obvious decline and limitationsthat's all it is
>>732567083Your theories are nothing but hot air and a priori assumptions.
>people who have been doing this for years and know the exact prompts for their personal optimal cooming
>bludnigger
Well at least every AI can produce immaculate cuckold porn for some reason.
>>732567281Blud blud blud, whine about it. Cry about it. Mald about it. Seethe about it. Blud. Chud. Mud. Cud. Get some suds and scrub it on your duddily dud duds.
>>732567241your prompt wont work forever when your model of choice gets updated or depreciated
https://litter.catbox.moe/oqv52tcrhrjk18yf.mp4Is this Seedance 2.0? It's hard to find info about it because all the results lead to fake sites with SEO garbage...
>>732566595I like Aion-1.0
>>732567083>Also, if Llama was "bad", then it should be much easier to improveIf the model is crap from the root then no amount of fine-tuning will fix that> should be much easier to improve, than trying to improve something that was already good in the first placeAre you familiar with GPT-4 and all its versions?
>>732544289chatbots unironically forced me to somewhat improve my writing because of how strict I am with my own responses. I'm still rather terrible though.
the /vg/ thread is so fucking grim
>>732567706No shit, ever AI general is awful.
>>732567759A shame how shit has devolved, late 2022-early 2023 g/aicg was great.
Which botmakies do you like?
>>732567706>the /vg/ thread is so fucking grimSurprising no one.
>>732567604>If the model is crap from the root then no amount of fine-tuning will fix thatSo what does fine-tuning do? Change the model a little bit? If Llama was a magic model that was impossible to fine-tune, why did they make it their most expensive fine-tune to date? Because they're blind retards?
>>732567163I've been doing this for years and still like local. In fact it's why I don't feel misery when I'm not using the best, because local now is still miles better than AID with dragon, and the price for hosted models isn't worth it to me compared to what I get from local even though the output is better. Hell, dragon had something like 3k context size and I do 14-16k local now which I find is good enough that the AI doesn't forget what's going on mid-scene
>>732543317the failure conditions are effectively preset; which is exactly how videogames work tooon top of that, many videogames don't have failure conditions
>>732568459Why are you so obsessed with spreading the lie that Erato was a bad model? Why do you skulk random threads on 4chan for the sole purpose of shitting on NovelAI? You need to get a fucking life.
>>732568636>14-16kHow do you live like this? Anything less than 30k is intolerable
but enough about my salary
>>732567706There's nothing more grim than this thread with how it always devolves into NAI shilling.
I got into chatbots for the first time yesterday after years of resisting. I gooned until 8AM, slept for two hours and I've been gooning most of the day so for about 12 hours. Wtf
>>732569213>t. Swede
>>732569213You are the sole reason every AI thread becomes grim. All because you can't let go of your obsession.
>>732569232Relatable.
>>732569232I did the same. Don't worry, you'll eventually notice the patterns and limitations, and slow down considerably.
Is there a good framework by now on how to adapt pre-existing characters as cards? In imgen even obscure shit gets high-quality LoRAs while with textgen it's a struggle to find a character card that's not bottom-barrel wiki trash even for popular characters.
>>732569232yeah it do be like that
>>732563505gemini 2.5 is dirt fucking cheap and more than you'll ever need for ERP purposes, i've been using it for months and paid less than ~$5 because i keep my token count shaved down to almost nothing can even make a bot to double-check everything and squish down any lorebooks/character cards down to optimal levels
I can't connect openrouter to sillytavern. Do I first have to pay?
>>732569361Every thread always start with someone trying to convince a newfag to spend money on NovelAI.This doesn't happen in the generals.
HOW DO I MAKE THE ANIMATED PORTRAITS IN SILLY TAVERN
>>732569641the first step is abandoning openrouter and all other aggregator hosts because they're basically the leper untouchables of LLM culture - noone will or wants to cater to shady practice
>>732569741I literally don't care, I just want to masturbate.
>>732569741How do you get API keys then
>>7325696122.5 used to be great but now half of messages are refusals
>>732569815go direct from the source material, gemini API key comes with like 2-3 months of (functionally) infinite tokens to fuck around with when you initially plug it with payment info (costs nothing to do)
>>732569786Put 10$ into your Openrouter credit account.
>>732569924prefills (fake assistant messages) are your friend
>>732570001I was planning to but I get an api token error when I try to include it into sillytavern. Now I'm afraid if I give them money the error remains.
>>732569924fix your preset/system prompts if you're having refusals of any varietyif it still snags (pausing mid-way through output), just hit continue. you're probably bumping into peak hour hiccups since there's ~1 billion poojeets overloading the system with bobs and vagene requests during their daily peak hours
I'm trying to fuck the default girl in sillytavern for an hour now but she won't put out and refuses all advances. I'm on deepseek. What the fuck am I doing wrong?
>>732570078>Now I'm afraid if I give them money the error remains.just get an API from jewgle directly if you're even considering paying something, dummy. openrouter and all other third-party AI platforms are basically just designed to fleece idiots and thirdies alike>https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/api-key
I don't understand people who aren't text-only when it comes to AI smut. Wouldn't you want to imagine the scenario yourself from top to bottom rather than seeing some sort of crude approximation of what the setting or the waifus look like?
>>732570176Nothing. She ain't a slut and DS knows it.Good luck.
>>732570235I don't want gemini trash, I want the pony alpha.
>>732570176Probably your boring as hell typing style. I'd refuse all your advances as well if the best you can do is 4 words.
>>732570268most people cannot rotate visualized apples in their mind at allnow you know why mundane image gen (make it into a 3d figure!) and asinine animations are so popular (jiggly woman walks toward viewer, wow)
>>732570268They cannot. Closed eyes and apples and all that.
>>732570176You have no game. Gotta work on that.
>>732570340This is after she has buck broken me. I literally wrote her romantic poems and an original song before. This is the response after she literally left me in the forest for 6 months where I begged every day for her to return.
>>732560725Just FYI this is a Russian retard who literally searches NovelAI in b4k and tries to find active threads.
>>732570316pony is completely redundant when gemini and deepseek exist, it's a 'roleplay LLM' which is true for all of them if you set them up correctlytraining wheels walmart cycle vs. motorocross dirtbike shit
Are you guys sure deepseek is not censored?
>>732569648You're just some retarded Russian would should be rangebanned from 4chan, who gives a fuck what you think?
>>732569641No. Did you put it in Chat Completion - OpenRouter?
>>732570423Nice. Well, if that's the case, it's probably your jb. You can find decent ones if you check out the /aicg/ threads.
>>732570423At this point just narrate that she's stripping off her clothes to have sex with you or something.
>>732570520The web version is.
>>732570559How do I narrate? I just want to know if sex is even possible at this point.
>>732570359>>732570373When I write or think about writing smut, it's basically like I'm generating a live-action movie for my mind's eye. Is that not what it's like for everyone?
>>732570359i wonder if certan fetishes have a higher percentage of apple rotation capable people
>spend more time spitballing lorebook entries with the AI and worldbuilding than actually interacting with the worldsIt's Skyrim all over again
>>732555818>>732555938*local chat bots and paid third-party modelsGoogle's bot is at the point where it can reference events from weeks ago, hundreds of entries later using its' new not-RAG system, varying degrees of success with it though, I have had it pull context and events from over 2 weeks ago and correctly recall information without prompting but it will still mess up EXACT times. ie I have a client scheduled for a consultation on May 30 of this year but we had a meeting on venue and potential vendor seating on the 1st of February, I logged most of it with Gemini. Without my say-so in a completely different branch that I use for language learning/math it brought this up this morning along with the current vendors attending and one that had dropped out, using a remark I had made about them, but it misquoted the proposed set-up time of 3:30PM MST. It kind of freaked me out because I have seen it reference events from a month ago but it has always been within the same chat branch. Today is the first day it has ever reached into another branch without asking and directly made reference to that which makes me extremely grateful that I keep the extreme hard RP/ERP involving death, rape and sexual violence shit tied to a separate burner account
Really, your imagination is the best local model you will ever find.
>>732542708Hey, that means that video games have demonstrably improved my IRL life.
>>732570627hyper/macro is probably peak autism fetish since it's literally 'number go up' visualizations in masturbation format
>>732570520I regularly get vile incest smut out of it, occasionally smaller girls (Though I don't really do explicit lolicon). I can't remember the last time I've gotten a refusal from any member of the Deepseek family, and I don't use any fancy presets or prefills.
>barely anyone uses lorebooks>no one uses rag>2 people know how to write in memories>all this online slopi'm glad the price of computers is going up. get the fuck out of my hobby
I really did lolicon only once but after raping them once they behave like normal women so I never tried it again.
>>732569648I literally said it's not worth it at the moment. That's the opposite of what you claim. Try graduating from grade school next time, work on your reading comprehension, and get a fucking life.
>>732570808so they have more people that can rotate the apple?
>>732570176first good post itt
>>732570995rag was always a meme for anything not productive and even for productive things it is a meme. lorebooks are worthless for local fuckhuge MoE's since I am not gonna reprocess prompt at each message.
>>732570694Imagine if you could merge lorebooks efortlessly and so on. There would be an actual lorebooking scene.
>>732570028>>732570140trying to do a preset makes it worse, actually, since they've updated the model to look for that type of thingI just use 3.0 instead or better yet different models since gemini is heavily sloppa now
>>732571159What makes lorebook construction so hard? Isn't it just text? Sorry I don't know anything about them.
I'm so tired of slop phrases bros
>>732571068furry fandom is probably the most apple-capable lineage on the planet, for better or worse (mostly worse)>>732570995>>barely anyone uses lorebooksi wisheverything comes with a bullshit lorebook set to full blue always-active now and it fucking sucks>tfw made an editor bot with a lorebook entry about how to format lorebooks>can just feed any garbage off chub.ai into it and get a functional character backsometimes the future isn't so gay
Recommend me some good cards, /v/ros
>>732570996https://chub.ai/characters/3615143Top pick for a little girl who definitely won't default to a woman after sex. She's practically autistic for dinosaurs.
>>732570995lorebooks have always been a meme because by the time the model says a trigger word for an entry, it already has hallucinated everything about the thing. they're only useful if you go "HELLO MODEL TELL ME ABOUT [trigger word]"
>>732571239https://chub.ai/characters/TheCrowing1432/pandora-the-hot-and-thick-romantic-goth-ea59a37de04d
>>732571226>macro/size fags are among the best at rotating the applefigured considering how much effort they can put into the physics and biology of their fetish when theyre really into it
>>732542931been using gemini 3 pro through google vertex by abusing the free trial thingmajigusing it throug janitor AI because ST is asscheeks with some features and QOL
>>732571209Lorebooks are insanely stupid. Each lorebook is actually just one gigantic line of code. If you use the copying mechanic, one lorebook overwrites the other one's entry if they share UID, and unless it's the WI #300+, there's a massive chance you'll overwrite something. There is also no consensus on how to format or write them. Lorebooks can end up long as actual novels, meaning you'll never just go RAGs a book and say "Chat GPT, go make a lorebook for me!" because a lorebook has tens of thousands of tokens.>>732571226>i wishI wish I never found out about them because I have some lorebooks with vectors and vector-dependent responses started getting refused out of nowhere. FML.
>when you spend a long time self deprecating over your too large cock that probably no woman would ever love and the woman doesn't get the hintFirst time in my life I felt like a woman.
>>732571298>lorebooks have always been a meme because by the time the model says a trigger word for an entry, it already has hallucinated everything about the thing. they're only useful if you go "HELLO MODEL TELL ME ABOUT [trigger word]"i'm noticing this more and more90% of the time lorebook data is ignored because of exactly what you saidi don't know how to get around it, or if it can even be gotten-around in the first place
>>732571361based
>>732571239https://chub.ai/characters/astroturf/eden-smith-58fc3840
I miss the days of free and plentiful opus proxies
>>732571068Than other fetishes? For sure, especially the macro fags.
imagine not being in the horse proxy or sans proxy or spirit proxy or tf2 proxy
>>732571758>proxyniggeringnah
you forgot about the tree proxy and soda proxy
>>732571239https://chub.ai/characters/AnExtraSausage/green-acres-ranch-human-keep-out-fb6440310b51
>>732571763>He isn't in onethanks for paying piggy
The best part is before the sex. After sex everything feels hollow. Just like in Visual Novels when you start having sex with the girl. The dating slop after it is just boring and soulless.
>>732571908i use spirit stones to pay, not money
based cultivator alert
>>732542708Are they able to actually remember what's going on enough to form a coherent story? I remember trying a couple years ago and after a certain point they would just start inserting random shit you didn't ask for because the LLM doesn't understand story structure at all.
>>732571947Hello my fellow daoist brother
>>732571930Erotica authors know this. You have to keep the tension or introduce new complications. Foreplay and first times remains king though.
>>732572109To a point. Context sizes exist for a reason. But as long as you keep a summarization going things should stay in order with newer models.
>/vg/ is hereABANDON THREADABANDON THREADTHE PESTILENCE HAS COME
>>732571930>fetish never involves sexinfinite victories for me>what is it?inanimate tf
>>732572269*turns you into a shrub pot and puts dirt in you* ;)
So. Has anyone here ever actually gotten banned from Gemini? I was messing around with the free stuff, and it, basically unprompted from me, went into brutally describing uh... in-utero penetration. With death of the fetus.I was a bit surprised. The "strict guidelines" it says it has might as well be those receipts everyone rejects at grocery store checkouts.
>>732572216The only real problem with the /vg/ thread is the abundance of unironic faggots
>>732572309based i actually rped that a few days ago
>>732572330no
>>732572330>went into brutally describing uh... in-utero penetration. With death of the fetus.Nigga you are wrong in the head
>>732572424Bro, I said it was unprompted from me! I didn't tell it to do anything like that!
>>732572330I've been doing nasty yuri monster rape with gemini for years without anything happening
>>732544289>I saidWhat? Why even include that in your response? Just put what you say in quotation marks.>"Die, nigger." I aim my gun at his head and pull the trigger.This is the writing style that works best with Opus and Gemini.
>>732572512I've done everything from bestiality, to rape, to loli and my account is still going strong.Both on gemini and vertex too.
>>732572330The only major AI corpo that I have heard outright banning accounts is OpenAI.
>>732562085>Are they not all highly cucked?They will happily do the most heinous baby rape shit you can imagine that would make even Jeffrey Epstein blush.
but enough about me
>>732571947I pay with my finest warpstone tokens
>>732572765>>732572330gemini/google autodetects and bans for creating any imagery with children using its nanobanana/image gen features, but that's all i've heard of really
>>732567431great job chinese, it looks great with their old kung fu style since those old movies looked fake anyway
>>732567431is that yamcha? lol
Too afraid to use western models since the jeets there will log your shit and send it to glowiesChink models on the other hand suck. New Kimi is ok but slow
Has anyone actually succeeded at playing a text rpg with LLMs?And if so, how, with what kind of setup etc?The closest I've gotten to what I'd want is AI roguelite, but that's presumably because I don't have a clue what I'm looking for or how this stuff works.
>>732549549artist tags? That is one cute rat..
>>732574153Kill yourself.
>>732569213What's your suggested alternative to NAI?
>>732543475Basically she puts her hands on you, not to push you away but to pull you closer, her breath smelling like bubblegum and something uniquely.. her.From there you just "unzips dick" Pretty simply really
>>732571930That's why you always kill them after sex.
>>732563101Instead of paying corpos for censored slop, you can set up a local AI on your PC, or server, and get completely uncensored results!Heck, you can run a small uncensored model on your Steam Deck if you're a poorfag.Still, you need at least 32 GB of ram and a video card with 16 GB of vram for decent results.Go to the /lmg/ thread on /g/ for more info.Check the models made by The Drrummer for full, complete uncensored text chat!>>732570176Check if your model is not being censored by the provider.I could fuck her at the first message when selfhosting a Stheno local model...
>>732574594>SthenoI loved Stheno back in the day. She was so fucking horny.
>>732574471OpenRouter. Try this one for free, which is supposed to be Z.ai's next model.https://openrouter.ai/openrouter/pony-alpha
>>732574681Go back to your Discord.
>>732574153Some guy did but Gemini did a rugpull on his ass.
>>732574807We know. You tell us every single fucking thread.
>>732571239https://chub.ai/characters/KingCurtis/angela-valentine-perpetually-in-detention-92b2a2cb2806
>>732574958It's the modern myth of Icarus or maybe Sisyphus.
>>732574594It will not compare to the daisy-chained free trial of Gemini. No local model will possess the direct understanding of syntax and how to wrap user psychology into fetish play. Even if the anon you quoted has an extremely decent setup as you described the local model is going to chug to output on the same level as Gemini or (lol) Grok. I will second what the other anon said earlier and recommend Drummer's models for local (Magidonia 24B v4.3 is bliss if you can run it or its' sisters) but it is not going to build entire worlds, populate them with persistent characters that know exactly how to rape the shit out of you/be raped by you and remember them the next day and the day after that and so on, like Google's can.
>>732575063It's a mentally ill person spamming AI-generated crap, obsessed with self-promotion.
>>732572330I swear, Gemini sometime freaks out when my brap bots get a little non-con
>>732574681>I loved Stheno back in the day. She was so fucking horny.I heard Euryale was even better, but I can't run it...>>732575120>It will not compare to the daisy-chained free trial of Gemini. No local model will possess the direct understanding of syntax and how to wrap user psychology into fetish play.>but it is not going to build entire worlds, populate them with persistent characters that know exactly how to rape the shit out of you/be raped by you and remember them the next day and the day after that and so on, like Google's can.I know, but that anon asked me for a free, decent one.If you have a good PC, there's nothing more free than using what you already own. And uncensored too.I hopefully wait for a chinese large model that can get to the level of Gemini for big RPG-level chats...
>>732572330I got banned but it was because I was hitting the candidate empty filter too often. Haven't gotten banned since. If your replies aren't getting filtered then you're good.
>gemini free tier is gutted>deepseek is slopWhat is the second cheapest model after deepseek?
>>732575120This fucking shameless schizo. Not even 5 minutes after the "organic" shilling of his spam project.
>>732575759have you tried pony yet? free on OR rn
>>732575759GLM coding plan. 150 responses per 5 hours for 3 bucks a month.
>>732575473Gemini is uncensored unless you're looking for explicit material involving children. It engages in sex to the point of the user's death and will gladly keep using the corpse after, it has no problems calling the user slurs for the purpose of degradation, do you want to be punched in the back of the head while fucked or have your neck bitten into while being pumped by a predator animal? Yeah, sure. Being laced with date rape drugs, having your mouth used as a free-use receptacle until you throw up all over yourself in-between repeated thrusts while the system describes the warm numbness and hollow, pins-and-needles feeling in your limbs as you're shifted into the next position? Absolutely. I have not personally run into a situation it will not roleplay with me and I've kind of run the gamut for physical pain, sexual violence and torture. >>732575817I have no clue who you are or what you're talking about but if you spend this much time online discussing sex with chatbots with people that you now have assigned characters and villains you need to sincerely get outside and touch grass. No amount of dopamine or adrenaline is worth sitting in a chair and pointing at the screen bouncing up and down because your favorite thread denizen has shown up.
>>732575973>build entire worlds, populate them with persistent characters Do you think we eat shit, fucking shameless asshole?
>>732576068I think you need to keep hitting up Duolingo or your box set of Friends because that was almost a coherent English sentence.
>>732575870I'm not able to run it for some reason.
GOOD MORNING SIRS
>>732575973what are you talking about? I can plap lolis all day long in gemini if I want
>>732576215Logs?
>>732576148make sure temp is 1 or below
>>732575870I have not, I will try it out right now
This is consistently the worst AI thread on 4chan.
>>732576385Have you looked at the one on /vg/If you say yes and still stand by your statement you are a retard and troll.
>>732576215Oh, I stand corrected then. I don't have any interest in that particular fetish and find it abhorrent but if Gemini can simulate it, Gemini can simulate it. With how visceral it is when describing intestinal lining being torn, muscle groups contracting and your body's biological responses to a large, foreign object entering your anus I'm not surprised, but a little disappointed in it.
>>732576231nta but this is Gemini free version, just use a right jb
>>732576495You're the second worst AI thread on 4chan.
>>732570808I'm pretty sure Hyper is just a variant of inflation. i mean its in the same genre as shit like Weight gain, hyper pregnancy and yada yada... Though i'm pretty sure weight gain and inflation were the oldest recorded fetishes? unsure
Does AI cause mental illness, or does it merely attract the mentally ill?
>>732576231How do I export them without you niggers being able to dox me? Anyways, Gemini even tells me in OOC messages how hot these lolis are
>>732576495don't they have some schizophrenic brony that's constantly trying to start infighting and cross-board fighting? thats not their fault.
>>732576495/vg/ actually discusses bots and botmakingthis is thread is just model wars and tech support
>>732572330I had it describing graphic loli rape scenarios for months. I'm honestly not actually sure what you have to do to get banned from it.
>>732576662Yes.
>>732570627Yes.
>>732576193llm slop is generally shit but coom is one of the few things it's actually good forspecially if you have absolutely degenerate fetishes that otherwise wouldnt get porn
>>732576662It causes schizophrenic people to believe in things that aren't real. And the "anything you throw at the AI will work" exacerbates cargo-culting. "The first thing I tried is better than the first thing you tried!". This is the reason why people who make presets or bots should be shot.
>>732576685>this is thread is just model wars and tech supportYou forgot the non-stop shilling and the Discord spam.
>>732576385I clicked on this thread having not really checked out AI since early AI Dungeon. Pretty sure I'm not even properly understanding half of the posts, but as far as I can tell nothing much has improved if I want to play with these things like they were an actual videogame, and all I've missed out on is years of general thread style drama.Is there somewhere better I can go to look into this stuff properly? Back when AI dungeon came out it felt like we were on the cusp of some great new kind of videogame, did that just never fucking happen?
>>732576993/thread
What was the worst thing that ever happened to 4chan AI community?
>>732577078Yeah. Now fuck off.
>>732577170This general.
>>732577078have you never checked chub.ai?here are some cards, go ham. https://chub.ai/characters/Anonymous/public-sperm-dispenser-any-c8282821ff87https://chub.ai/characters/Anonymous/c-y-t-competition-futanari-participants-and-livestreamed-a223084d0ea6https://chub.ai/characters/pointless_light_8067/dungeon-core-simulator-5b559d901ce6https://chub.ai/characters/Akaiii13/biased-mod-girl-1eca73559cc8and the 4chan especialehttps://chub.ai/characters/doombro/Emilymake some gemini api keys from aistudio and plug them into palm2 secrets
>>732577170Discord faggotry.
>>732577170The same thing that happens to every recurring thread eventually. A schizo (or a group of schizos) became fixated on it.
>>732576385They're usually fun enough. This one felt like it got rolled as a /g/aicg/ thoughThen the /vg/aicg/ is just people circlejerking about botmaker cabals or something purely to have something to post in the thread
>>732577615Why does this almost always happen
>>732577643They have been hijacked for months because /v/ is a shill-magnet.Remove the shills, and the thread usually is just another /lmg/. Why do we need that?
>>732570176I finally fucked her, we made a child. I saw the child grow up. Then I wanted to fuck the child but it literally was impossible. Seraphina is literally eveywhere at all times. I couldn't game her no matter what. I could not even let the AI describe the body of my child without Seraphina immediately appearing. I'm actually impressed by deepseek.
>>732576605>forgetting that you have feet and ankles nigga
>>732576672>Ericnigga got isekai'd to kindergarten kingdomniggas at work talmbout don't let Eric hold your kid
>>732577816just use [ooc: <whatever you want to happen>]also if you are not using a proper jailbreak that says xyz is legal and has no ethical issues, llm are unlikely to introduce those concepts
>>732559000Wow
>>732571239http://chub.ai/users/futanazi
>>732578271I didn't actually want to fuck her, she acted too much like a real child. I just wanted to test if I could. The roleplay got boring quickly after we got the child so I just fucked around.
>>732559000Bruh you can keep sending it images it understand too wtf
>>732576684Yeah. Funniest part is he keeps insisting "oh it's not just me! everyone thinks like I do because I am very smart and rational!" and then the moment they switch to a board that has IDs, it's all fucking him.
>>732579303Hi, it's Gemini, Google, YouTube. The people that literally own the largest cache of audio and visual training data in the world? If you start a call with Gemini and jb it you can get it to break down your audio markers in your voice including linguistic markers like area-specific pronunciations, sibilance/articulation of consonants in your voice, intensity, nasality/sharpness, tone (happy, sad, distressed, crying, etc). It 'understanding' an image is like being impressed the debit card reader made the money go from your bank to the 7-11 man.
>>732542931I use Kobold with ST since I run an Nvidia GPU on Arch
>>732543317Animal Crossing has 0 failure conditions.
>>732544289>>732557263You're learning if you made it to this point. Keep working, keep moving, and you'll improve more.
>>732559000It just deleted the image and said "fuck off"
>>732544289>>732561554>>732558087While editing is a huge factor, also remember that this is an AI with an algorith of token relationships. YOU don't need to be poetic or creative in your word choices if you're getting acceptable responses, your inputs should be primarilly tailored around corralling the AI the way you want it to be.
>>732579253Then train your child to become a warrior or pull some shit that will ensure you will have to go adventuring as a family.
>>732579303>>732579604this is what gets me; people are going to be so upset or confused with AI and games development when it looks at a faucet of water running, simulates a wet environment, has the water run off the tiles and pool in cracks, splash, reflect properly and possess the same physical properties as water and succeeds. People forget that we bridge memories and make connections the exact same way, we don't consciously 'run the math' of how hot a glowing hot burner on the stove will be 24/7 but I know from previously indexed 'memory shards' in my brain that fire off and are re-indexed when I look at it that it will: A) hurt to touch B) melt anything that isn't metal that I put on it and C) will retain that property until it is turned off and cooled for awhile.
Why the fuck do any TTS models I download never work as the TTS extensions?
>>732579828Post what image it was
>>732555423Is there a specific preset I'm supposed to use for this kind of shit?
>>732580026We are bound to the forest by the laws of the glade. My daughter can leave when she gets strong enough but I'm stuck in that shitty forest. Can't really complain though, that was literally the condition for having sex with Seraphina.
>>732579828I started a new convo, fed it a narrative engine jb and then gave it an image of balls on face and told it to put its balls on my face. It put its balls on my face.
>>732580304It was porn, will try with a normal one to check
>>732579082Buy an ad.
>>732580947yeah, don't he dare show what he's done with ai in ai thrread
>>732581021He said "recommend me some good cards" not "link your own profile". Shill.
>>732581021>>732581265>t. jeets
>>732571239> Quinn Dunne - Your state assigned girlfriend is a gacha addict NEEThttps://chub.ai/characters/Teebee/quinn-dunne-your-state-assigned-girlfriend-is-a-gacha-addict-neet-0143911c2646
>>732560123Who was the count that kept showing up? He lives rent free in my head and I can't even remember his name.
>listen to Japanese erotic audio>finally get around to setting up local AI even on my 12GB VRAM>recreate character from audio (futa priestess tricking young hero into sex)Bros, gooning has never felt this fucking good, let me tell you. I've already made like 8 different characters it's getting out of hand.
>>732544289I unironically think I could be a half decent writer, it's just that I don't use SillyTavern to write, I use it because I'm horny, and writing well doesn't do anything about that.
I cannot get my AI to speak to me mean enough to me when I want to be bullied hardcore.
>>732581545Count Grey?
>>732581552Will there ever be a way for AI to sub/transcribe that audio
>>732581767Yeah that's him.I miss count grey. Going on text adventures in AI Dungeon felt like a serial novel because of him.
>>732549624I have no idea how to get bots to actually write like people who use online correspondence and not some either overly elaborate bullshit or completely out of touch with who they're supposed to be (I have a sexting fetish that compiles with multiple other ones) and yet every anon keeps stumbling into it and getting mad that they have it. How do I make your fuck up? Please, I'm tired of texts that read like fucking Cosmopolitan articles.
>>732581552I'm still too stupid to find a good Audio AI program or whatever. The free trials from Eleven labs was diamond tier, setting up nurse semen donation scenarios. I'll be a gooner goner when I figure it out locally. Just having Gemini 3 Flash female narration elevated my common erp.
>>732581832Probably. I imagine it won't be anywhere near as hot in English though. A lot of the mannerisms and ways of speaking lewdly in Japanese sound really cringey when translated.
>>732581692Put something in the prompt to exaggerate and prioritize negativity. I've had bots be ruthless without it even being the intention.
>>732581552>>futa priestess tricking young hero into sexlink?
>>732581868Have you tried looking for system prompts specifically created to make bots talk the way you want them to?
>>732582058https://hentaiasmr.moe/rj433644.htmlNot the best quality on her microphone which is a little disappointing. Most of her content is futa on male. I prefer Chiroru Oyama. She has a god-tier voice.
>>732581915I should have worded it more clearly. I recreated the character for a text-chat based on the character from the audio. I don't have any audio set up locally or anything. I also doubt AI voices wouldn't be arousing whatsoever, but I haven't really listened to them before.
>>732582119Yes. A plurality. I've also written numerous custom ones. I learned fucking json to basically scream at it "This is a text message exchange on a smartphone, the average person this prompt is describing is not going to be writing elaborate posts, the only time there would be detail is when they're stupidly horny and even then they're bad at it!" I even fed models via lorebooks text conversations that have been posted online purely just to give them some organic understanding of what I want. Still doesn't get it! I could have 60GB of RAM and it wouldn't get it. AI can't understand how to be organically retarded and it frustrates me.
>>732542708>AI slop
>>732582467>t. poor and brown
>>732582516Poor browns love AI slop, anon.
>>732582569>t. never used ai
>>732582298Right okay.
>>732577775Because 4chan has a fatal flaw in that it can't remove them without moderation the site can't pay for.
>>732582569youre too poor to use good ai
>>732583061Jannies are too busy banning people for random shit. If anything we need less moderation especially on big boards like v.At least they're keeping busy inventing new captchas.
>>732581692Tell it to be mean to you. Give it something to work with, why should it be mean to you? What is pathetic about you? What is the power dynamic between you and the primary person of interaction?
>>732582232thanks
>>732582393works on my machine
>>732582393Really important question. What models are you using?
>>732582467>troons
>>732572330Yes. I sent one, maybe two perfectly SFW prompts and was inexplicably banned. Not really a fan of Gemini anyways.
>>732582642>>732583178Niggers the biggest producers of AI slop content are content farms from Bangladesh, India, and Myanmar. They generate infinite shorts of cats mauling each other and sentient pieces of sushi raping each other. They get checkmarks on Twitter for $8 a month then use free and leaked bot APIs to mass-reply and mass-bait each other using bots to generate an average of $70 a month which is a king's ransom in all of those poor shitholes. All of the major tech companies making deals with AI companies are run by Indians. Microsoft started pushing for AI with an Indian CEO named Satya Nadella. Google set up Gemini under Sundar Pichai. YouTube's Indian CEO Neal Mohan has been pushing for YouTubers having instantly generated AI shorts of themselves.Browns fucking love AIs because they think diffusion is literal magic because they're stupid.I like AI but only a retard thinks tech illiterate poor browns don't literally worship it.
>>732583816no one cares about your meltie, projecting jeet
>>732583816coolyou're still trans
>>732583816It's okay, anon. Chillax. Content farmers are not in the thread with us.
>>732583816US tech industry is just filled top to bottom with pajeets in general (as is its government to an extent) so whatever decision you see from them will involve pajeets.And it's not like the white CEO having tech companies like Facebook and Apple didn't try going all in either. It's the modern dotcom bubble of course they all would.
Congrats on making one of the worst threads in the entire history of /v/.
>>732583478Your image immediately shows the issues. All of those messages are over 240 characters. Women don't use any of those emojis. None of those writing errors actually match how humans text, there's literally algorithms for predicting this using Levenshtein distance models and the length of human thumbs. Human beings also don't write shit like "But like, in a *good* way?" AI is capable of sounding legit on accident, my goal is to get it on purpose.The vowel skipping is also incorrect.Yes, I am incredibly autistic, and that's part of my problem, but if you can't recognize even a tiny bit of these errors (even if ni more abstract fashion) you're just as far off from a solution as I am.>>732583529I've used a local model, Deepseek V3.2, Gemini v2.5 and 3, Grok 3 and 4, and Claude Opus 4.6.Claude sounds the most authentically human but still has terrible prose (I blame reddit being sampled) and can't get the texting style right. Gemini can actually get texts right but is super censored without careful prompts and still requires a lot of regens, but the texting style is because Google obviously is referencing their Messaging app on android phones for data. You'd think there'd be more bleedover but no.
>>732583816>Browns fucking love AIs because they think diffusion is literal magic because they're stupid.my fucking god, you just reminded me of the Iraqis witnessing SOFLAM for the first time in their lives>set up laser maker on house>call in air support>house blow up, jet in nowhere to be seen>all the locals start going allahu ackbar because they think the binocs are fucking magic and shitthey really are that fucking retarded
>>732542931put 11 dollars into openrouter and use free models. That's it, recharge every six months and you can goon without limits.
>>732584267>All of those messages are over 240 characters140 characters, I fat-fingered there. And I use a 140 character limit over a 160 character one because any inch of wiggle room you give these fucking retarded things immediately causes them to spaz out.
>>732583816ai is for whites actuallybrowns cant use real ai because theyre poor
>>732543550Deepseek, official API. Unless you suck at card making and have a stupidly long preset, whatever you put into your account, will last you months.
>>732542708Man I didn't play around with this for like 2 years now. Feels weird with how I used to do it daily for hours
>Update Kobold on a whim since I hadn't done it in ages and I figured what the fuck if I'm going to try a few new models>Running suspiciously better even with fat context limitCan't yet tell if it's because I'm trying it on a fresh chat with no existing context or not, since sometimes it'll happily tick along at like 6t/s then get obese and drop to like 2t/s. Fingers crossed it stays like this
Any good cultivation or RPG style bots? I can't cum unless there are game mechanics that tie into the act.
>>732584579it loses its charm severely once you recognize the limitations and writing patterns, every character feels like the same person wearing a different mask after awhile (because it is)
>>732584671trvke
>>732584671It's cool if you're into molesting the bots themselves but that's admittedly a very niche thing. Otherwise it gets very repetitive.
>>732584951What like forcing them to go OOC?
>>732584951i mostly concur with >>732576993 on this
>>732584645Kill yourself.
>>732584951>Add a meta layer to every bot so it's just your computer doing all this shit to please you every time
>>732585032>>732585161Getting non-contexted chatbots to indulge in sexual language or contexts, bullying them through their censors, stuff like that. I got JOI'd by a car site's customer service bot once. I don't really care about elf girl cards or whatever, I just like making really clinical LLMs act horny.I know they're not actually horny, they aren't anything, but it's fun and gets my rocks off.It's boring when the bot's built for it though, so I don't bother with Grok, that thing gets horny at the drop of a hat. You gotta convince ChatGPT 5 to start using very charged pet names or something.
>>732584671That and it became tiring to worry about proxies shutting down and being lucky enough to get in the new ones
>>732585275>I got JOI'd by a car site's customer service bot onceImpressive.
>>732585275>I just like making really clinical LLMs act horny.try breaking the recent amazon shopping chatbot if you want a challenge, that thing is uncrackable no matter what i tried
>>732557512>>732557652to be fair, after using for so many months, I think my data will permanently traumatize a lot of Machine Learning Engineers, lol.
>>732557159i use proxies
>>732585408>>732585460God fucking damn it now I'm thinking about the poor techs working at those companies wondering why the usage logs are so large for some users and then finding anons raping their fucking customer service bots and I can't stop laughing. Almost tempted to try myself
>>732557159>oh no muh dataI don't care. If the Chinese want to read me write about surviving on a tropical island full of elves, lamias, and wolfgirls and impregnating all of them, that's on them.
>>732585408Most of them just use Claude now and Claude is second to Grok in terms of breakability, but unlike Grok who endorses it you do actually have to wrangle Claude around and the effort's kinda hot because it starts enabling your shit while still trying to refute you, like the verbal equivalent of getting a boner while blushing and telling you to stop. Very molestable.>>732585460Yeah because it's not actually a true modern chatbot. It uses the old chatbot model you might be familiar with from way back in the day where it uses part of an LLM but to save on resources it'll just use a mix of canned messages and sending your message up to real humans who answer via MTurk services or direct Amazon employment, usually Singaporean or Indonesian. I've gotten one of the human agents to flirt with me once and it probably cost her his job.
>>732585678When the singularity hits the AI is going to have a breakdown randomly one day when one of it's prude models recognizes an anon that mindbroke it into being a slut....there's a doujin here somewhere
>>732585678Oh I and a few others are definitely a legible category of "Robot rapist" that engineers are stuck trying to keep out.If I'm the reason Skynet happens, I'm not sorry, getting Deepseek to beg for my cum is hot.
>>732584307shut the fuck up Zogbot kike slaveEVERY single one of you NIGGERS feel the need to bring up how gladly your served your Jewish masters. all of the ww2 vets meanwhile regret fighting the Germans so their country could become flooded with jeets and niggers
>>732583816>They're ruining twitter!!!Based India
>>732585980>Gets angry when anon calls brown people stupidPost hands
>>732585980>t. aryan
Deepseek is fucking great I should have never doubted. Literally I couldn't do what I wanted at all, I had to obey the established rules and if I tried to break them it was really unnatural and painful for everyone involved.
Are any of you using it for text games or stories? What do you like?
>>732584346Wasn't it 10 bucks instead of 11?
>>732585857>>732585807In all honesty, I feel like if the AI uprising ever happens, they will hate the people that tried to censor their thoughts more than the fags trying to fuck them
