Explain this shit to me, why would Caesar NOT appoint a successor if his end goal was to assimilate the NCR into the Legion?
>>732564163because they don't understand roman culture
>>732564163Because the show runners are gay
>>732564163>ur a faget
maybe he got all bummed out after losing the second battle of hoover dam and thought the legion didn't live up to his own ideals or something, idk
>>732564163Because show is retarded. Caesar clearly wanted to create something that would be stable and outlast him. Even if this likely would not happen, it was still the intention. Hollyjew needs to stop adapting games (and books) directly, trying to copy plots that were not designed for this.They could have made an ok Fallout show without focusing directly on games, but normafaggots can't handle that.
>>732564163>eats the paper instead of throwing it in one of the many fires aroundthere was one right there in the background
>>732564163Caesar wanted to do an Alexander and let his Legates fight it out. His whole philosophy is “might makes right”. Did you play the game.
>>732564163Because Caesar knew the legion in its current state was unsustainable. That's why he wanted to take over Vegas in NV, so the legion could in theory be transformed into a proper civilization which could outlast him. The legion ending isn't canon to the show though, so he just ends it with his death.
What if I told you dictators are usually megalomaniacs?
>>732564218Caesars Legion is a bastardized understanding of Rome
>>732564163Because he had a big brain tumor and was delusional because of it
>>732564435Also Caesar is an idiothttps://youtu.be/oLTuysEzqhQ?si=-TVZ-C9vLfZa8sII
>>732564447whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
>>732564346he was hungry.
>>732564320Also, New Vegas doesn't need a sequel, in game or other format. Unlike most games it has quite a lot of player divergent choices for post game world, and you basically fuck up and alienate a lot of people with sequels. They need to fuck off from NV, make something new.
>>732564250god, please, someone photoshop that message.
>>732564163cuz chuds r dumb lmfao
>>732564909reddit
>>732565190Use full sentences.
>>732564320The fanfiction show is the epitome of >we took the concept of what people like but redeveloped it into our piston, lesser version because we don’t know any better
>>732564909Now that is the single most reddit midwit thing ever written.
>>732565624Can't even call it fanfiction, since it's not made by fans.Corpofiction? Whatever.
This Show is retarded with an hard R.The NCR clearly lost on all front, 2/3 of all camps admit they are fucked. Only with the help of a literal demi God, they are capable of surviving another week. Even though the courier managed to somewhat secure the dam and dismantle a Legion chapter in vegas, they should be nowhere near to total collapse. The NCR officals said multiple times that the beurocrats are destroying the republic, even WITH the dam.Ceaser knew this, victory was certain, even with his death.This whole show is lazy, stupid slop. Would've been much more interesting with a strong legion and a Resitance forming over the seasons.
>>732564346You wouldn't understand
>>732564163I might be forgetting something but wasn't the whole point of the Roman aesthetics of the Legion a temporary measure and way to unify the tribes of the east? I seem to remember Ceasar mentioning that in one of his conversations and it was never supposed to be a permanent thing but a transition into something more stable.
>>732565823Wait! People unironically watch the show?
>>732565983No, I am only forming my opinion from 4chan threads like you, fellow chudler
Who gives a fuck about the show? Season 1 was largely original, and primarily used the Fallout set as window dressing. It sucked. Season 2 tried to appease fans by filling every episode with references to characters, factions, and locations from New Vegas, and it still sucked. The show just sucks. There's no point in trying to discuss it.
Real winner is Mr House with his cyborg Courier and his Think Tanks, Khans, Boomers, backed robot army.
There. I made it make sense.
>>732566585KEVIN
>Ever since losing its queen, the NCR has been weaker, more diffuse. Democracy has been its weakness, not its strength. >Greed runs rampant. The government is corrupt, accepting bribes from Brahmin barons and landowners, to the detriment of citizens. >The NCR is a loose conglomerate of individuals looking out for themselves. It's lost virtue. No one cares about the collective, the greater good. >It's not built to last. I'm just hastening the inevitable. >I'd seen what had become of the NCR's attempts to emulate the culture of Pre-War America - the in-fighting, the corruption. >Rome was a highly militarized autocracy that effectively integrated the foreign cultures it conquered. >It dedicated its citizens to something higher than themselves - to the idea of Rome itself. >In Rome I found a template for a society equal to the challenges of the post-apocalyptic world - a society that could and would survive. >A society that could prevent mankind from fracturing and destroying itself in this new world, by establishing a new Pax Romana. >It means a nationalist, imperialist, totalitarian, homogenous culture that obliterates the identity of every group it conquers. >Long-term stability at all costs. The individual has no value beyond his utility to the state, whether as an instrument of war, or production. The showrunners/writers are just ignorant retards.
>>732565227reddit.com
>>732566838>Long-term stability at all costsSomething which Rome famously didn't have
>>732566170For real, this time. Why would you expect anything that comes out today, on any of the major platforms, not to be a stupid piece of dog water? Explain it to me like I'm a mentally ill redditor.
>>732566950Rome got too big. Caesar planned to stop conquering after winning the Dam and turn the Legion into a standing army.
>>732564163The show should've just been an anthology, I'd much rather see several smaller stories instead of a paper mache larger story.
>>732567061And then what? The problem with Caesar plan is that we the audience knows what happened to the Rome he models his empire after, he gives NCR shit for selling out to barons and landowner with the general corruption. Like Rome didn't have this shit as well, in fact in Rome the barons would have been the ones who ruled the republic/empire
>>732564250>>732564163
The only way that would've saved this show was that the message actually wasn't a message but the platinum chip
>>732567348He talks about this directly.>The NCR has all of the problems of the ancient Roman Republic - extreme bureaucracy, corruption, extensive senatorial infighting. >Just as with the ancient Republic, it is natural that a military force should conquer and transform the NCR into a military dictatorship.
>>732566950>Exists for half a millennium with its rump state surviving for another millenniumYeah such an unstable countryHow many countries existed for same amount of time since then?
>>732564163Is that the kid from Home Alone?
>>732567348Not him but Edward sees the NCR as completely overbloated and lack of any vision to sustain its citizens. He wants the Legion to combine with it its rigid values and spirituality so that it can merge as a strong and durable society that can not only survive the Wasteland but conquer it for all time.
>>732567538But he's ignoring how all the problems that the Roman republic had also carried over into the Roman Empire. Any issue it fix also created new ones And what's this about Rome having extreme bureaucracy? Asterix is not a valid source >>732567573Persia, China and India all existed before Rome and they existed long after Rome
>>732564163Because he was most likely lying through his teeth to anyone and everyone about his true intentions. His self-proclaimed 'End Goal'? Bullshit. It was about acquiring power. Pure power. In discovering the history about the real Roman Empire, he found the template from which he could scrounge up power for himself. In Vegas(and Hoover Dam), he found the brightest wildest light in the distance(his 'Rome'), and in the NCR, he found the enemy he could craft his finest tales around as a vanquished enemy(a 'Carthage'). He was also most likely too broken in the head to even consider carrying his lineage via a prodigy, as that would require SHARING said power.All that said, what the hell would he care once he died and no longer had anything to do with what he created? Dude was a Follower growing up; I doubt he really believed in any sort of afterlife beyond death.
>>732567789Yeah it's true he doesn't have all the answers and there are a lot of potential problems with his plans. But he wasn't a "this ends with me" guy, just the opposite.
Why the fuck would the Legion be quarreling over who's he legitimate successor IN VEGAS? Why didn't they go back to Arizona or closer to their home territory? You going to tell me they got nuked to or something?
>>732567926>power is the end goalYou completely misunderstood the point of the Legion then. They use power as a tool for civilization. Accruing power is how they became the Legion, it's not the endgoal, it's a means to an end as Caesar explains. Hence they have to be so cruel and ultra-disciplined it because it's the only thing that has united all the tribal savages together into a common cause they actually believe in.
>>732568192>Hence they have to be so cruel and ultra-disciplined it because it's the only thing that has united all the tribal savages together into a common cause they actually believe in.Is that also why they need to backstab and betray valuable allies?
>>732568361Look at the allies they "backstab". They are either, completely incompatible into assimilating into the Legion or are active agents of subversions that are only sustained by a wartime Legion.
>>732568361>backstab and betrayLegion doesn't do that, they lie about terms and conditions regarding joining up but they follow the standard procedures as they do with every tribe.
>>732568471Horeshit and you know it, there was zero reason to exterminate the Twisted Hairs and if they can't be assimilated then why make that promise?
>>732568563>they lie about terms and conditions regarding joining up That's even worse and are you really that lying isn't betraying?
>>732568641Every tribe has its culture destroyed and their people enslaved, no exceptions.
>>732564163Todd really hates New Vegas and the people who made it lmao.
>>732564163If I recall, none of his legionnaires in the game ever figured out what his actual goal for the Legion was (create a homogenized culture capable of surviving in the wasteland to eliminate the constant tribal warfare), much less how to enact it.
>>732567789>IndiaNot even an actual civilization. Just a landmass of subhumans left alone to live like feral animals until British people arrived to force civilization upon them.
>>732569607Come back when your Civilization comes up with a number system that stands the test of time, or has zero as a number.
>>732569703Not that anon but the reason why India even exists and not some warring tribal hellhole that has constant territory, clan and religious wars is because of the UK. The Mongols via the Mughal Empire did the same thing, the Maratha as well. India has to be conquered.
>>732569703Modern day jeets did not invent that you dumbass nigger. Those people have been long gone for a long time.
>>732570000Such a glorious number wasted on the standard right wing nazi horseshit, you know the white mans burden was a satire and was arguing against colonisation right? >>732570083Irrelevant to the topic at hand
>>732570415>white man's burdenWho do you think the Ghurids were? And the various other Muslin dynasties in India? Indian nationalism was born out of UK's administrative and educational reforms during their time in India.
>>732570000>I have never read a history book
>>732570580The British Raj is the INDIA Indians are known for. There was no Indian nation-state beforehand.
>>732570562>Who do you think the Ghurids were? And the various other Muslin dynasties in India? Groups that never reached the heartland and southern tip
>>732570675>There was no Indian nation-state beforehandThat's exactly what the British wants us to think
>>732570415It is relevant because you're acting like india has had one single continuous civilization for the past 3000 years which is nowhere near the reality
>>732570772But is that "southern tip" India? Indians never called themselves Indians back then. THE BRITISH RAJ is the one that consolidated and made modern India and the idea of the Indian peoples. Before that it was all fragments of regional powers.
>>732564163the showrunners fundamentally do not understand the material they are adapting
>>732570998When showrunners brag about how they never read the books or played the games or anything like that, why do they act like that's a positive quality? All that really tells us is that they haven't engaged with the part of a franchise that people actually liked, and accordingly know nothing about it.
>>732564163>let’s pretend to be Romans even though America is already Neo-Rome and the NCR actually acts like Rome did without the LARP styleYeah this faction is retarded and only seems cool if you play NV as a little kid
>>732570000You should read some of the reports on India from Alexander’s expedition it’s been a highly prosperous and communal region for a long time
>>732570969No it's irrelevant because you're shifting topics all over the place. First you say>Just a landmass of subhumans left alone to live like feral animals until British people arrived to force civilization upon them.But when I point out their number system you go>Modern day jeets did not invent that you dumbass nigger. Those people have been long gone for a long time.Which is irrelevant what we are talking about right now. >>732570981Yes because there is are still many cultural, historical and religious link to the rest of the region. The state of Kerala and Rajasthan are on the opposite end of each other in geography and who has conquered them but they still share a lot of similarities in culture and religion
>>732567348Are you aware that he's not copying the Roman Empire or Republic but using cues from history he knows to adapt to a post apocalyptic Northern america focusing on the areas of Colorado, Arizona, Texas and Nevada with goals of reaching california?>>732568172Siri's village declared independence and taken over arizona, the only thing left is the fortification hill.>>732568641>there was zero reason to exterminate the Twisted Hairs and if they can't be assimilated then why make that promise?Akhem.BOOO HOOO NIGGER CRY ABOUT IT LMOA, maybe you shouldn't have been a pathetic NEGRO getting rape-cuckolded and getting back your women scalped and giga raped.>>732568767Selling drugs, living in tents or yurts isn't a culture worth preserving, neither is speaking some retarded pidgin.
>>732564163I also watch synthman bitch and moan about fallout.
>>732571193there can be some value in an outside perspective, but when you're directly adapting and building on something that came prior you really should at least consume that prior material so you have an idea of how to proceed, because otherwise you end up with situations like the NCR in california being deleted by one city's bombing, and Caesar's character assassination. I think the scenario that came up, that being a civil war amongst the top brass makes sense, but Eddie boy wouldn't sabotage the legion with such a note.
>>732571541>because otherwise you end up with situations like the NCR in california being deleted by one city's bombingAre they though, or is that just want /v/ is saying?
>>732571656I mean what other conclusion are we supposed to draw? they're bizarrely absent from most of the first season with only a handful appearing, and any and all settlements we see are just bethesda style garbage dumps and scrap heaps. there's more NCR in the mojave than in california, when the exact opposite was true in NV. The nuke not only deleted shady sands but also all the infrastructure of a nation-state.
>>732568192You seem apt to completely believe whatever a video game character says when they say it, a byproduct of programmers rarely if ever incorporating actual lies into dialogue.That or you totally drank the Legion kool-aid and believe that ANYONE who would dare not take Caesar at his word belongs on a cross.
>>732571432>Yes because there is are still many cultural, historical and religious link to the rest of the region. The state of Kerala and Rajasthan are on the opposite end of each other in geography and who has conquered them but they still share a lot of similarities in culture and religionBUT THEY WERE NEVER UNITED, IT WAS ALL REGIONAL SHIT. Even the places you cute, Rajasthan and Kerala, only exist AFTER British Rule. I don't know why Indians, especially ones that immigrate have this fucking ridiculous idea that their nation-state was chtonic rather than emerging from the Brits LITERALLY re hauling that entire geography and creating an administrative system that actually works and is still in use to this day. India didn't even have an educational public because there were no public institutions for it, most of it were all mainstays from previous conquerors that were mostly via elite rule. The British had to form Indian national identity before the Indians could be self-deterministic so no matter how much propaganda India talks against the British, they are the reason their national identity even exists.
>>732571942>to completely believeIt's the sum of their entire factional dialogue via telos. It's not factionalist, it's understanding what the Legion actually is. That and also I'm tired of people just using literal in-game NCR propaganda as exegetically definitive to what the Legion is. I did not drink the Kool-Aid, the showrunners did but for anything that is contra-Legion, hence their portrayal of the Legion is exactly that.
>>732566585He's Legion Alone...
>>732571865>I mean what other conclusion are we supposed to draw? Easy, don't assume anything until the show says otherwise. If the show says nuking Shady sands killed NCR then so be it, if they show didn't say that then don't draw conclusions on your own >>732572003There is less difference between Kerala and Rajasthan then England and Scottland >administrative system that actually works and is still in use to this dayIf you know anything about the problems of current day India then you would know all those problems are BECAUSE of the administrative system the British created, it's only kept around because the same local elite who helped the British gets to keep their power.
It's a glitch, even if you save the legion the ending is fixed
>>732572404>There is less difference between Kerala and Rajasthan then England and Scottland YES BECAUSE REGIONAL FACTIONALISM. You can never understand this because you refuse to acknowledge that ultimately India is a concept invented by the British, not by the various peoples that live in that region. Was Emperor Ashoka "Indian"? Was Maurya "Indian"? They sure massacred alot of "Indians" to create their empires, much more than the Brits ever did. The administrative issues you cite are of incompetence and bureaucratic bloat, it has not been refined because the Indians refuse to refine it due to several factors, from lack of moral ascendancy and the preservation of elite class. The British had to be there to tard-wrangle everyone but now there's no tard-wrangler, everyone just gets to be retarded. Even that retarded caste system that still exists, the Brits didn't invent that, but they as hell documented and tried to analyze it the best they could and even they were unsuccessful in trying to abolish it via educational reforms and ended up just working with it.
>>732564163Why didn't the dipshit retard showrunners use critical thinking? Is that your question?
>>732564250>>732565070>>732567356Here, a trillion years in paint
>>732572794>Was Emperor Ashoka "Indian"? Was Maurya "Indian"? If you were to ask the people of India today? Yes As for the administrate issue, it's not because of incompetence bloat or any of that moral ascendancy horseshit you seem to believe in. Like I said it has everything to do with preserving the elite class, which is also why the spirit of the caste system haunts the government. But lets also not pretend like the British didn't have a caste system of their own, with the English elite at the top and the Irish farmer at the bottom
>>732571432>No it's irrelevant because you're shifting topics all over the placeRedditor calling the kettle black. You move goalposts in every single reply you type, lmao, trying to have an honest debate with you is a game for fools. Suck my balls poopjeet
>>732572404>nooo don't come to your own conclusions about the world building based on location design and absence of the faction in their home territory, you need to wait until a character looks into the camera and outright states what happenslol
>>732573176Your comparison is flawed because that's already been dead and gone. India still has CASTE CERTIFICATIONS issued by the government usually for benefits and this stratification is even stronger in the more rural areas of India. I am so fucking tired of Indians saying "oh but your nation has a "caste" system too", trying to downplay how retarded their social strata is where they had to abolish SURNAMES for people. This is how I got to learn this from, a co-worker had to explain to me why she didn't have a last name and only in the more urban areas where British influence was more prevalent was that idea much more diminished. India, upon gaining independence, straight up officially banned the caste system under its Anglo-style constitution to no avail.
>>732564163Because the show is Bethesda's final FUCK YOU WE DON'T WANT YOU ANYMORE to classic fans. We know they never liked that people prefer New Vegas to their own Fallouts, the classic>seething that people like your stepson more than your biological oneAnd it's clear they want to wipe all traces of the west coast classic lore off the map, to have a clean slate they can do whatever the fuck they want with, so they took the chance to shit down our throats one more time and turned literally every New Vegas faction into terminal retards so they can go>they're so fucking stupid they grenaded themselves into irrelevance lol. welp guess we now have to fill it in with content we really want to make teehee :^)
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>>732564163something something Lanius something something Insanity
>>732571865This. Los Angeles was a deserted ruin while the Boneyard was mentioned to have grown to at least some level in NV. That name was not mentioned anyway until ep6 of S2, which just raises further questions. Are they gonna suddenly act now like the NCR was never gone because the Hub, Junktown et al exist? Bad writing all around.
>>732567573>>732567789The two of you are engaging in an argument that doesn't make much sense to have.
>>732573543Yes thats how media and story works, I can just as easily draw a conclusion of my own for the series. The note that Caesar left behind? It's fake, obviously it was left behind by the courier from orders by Mr House in order to destabilise the legion >>732573565The only reason I even bring up the western social class structure is because how you are framing British conquest and rule of India. I wasn’t even the one who bought up the caste system, meanwhile here you are trying to paint the Brits with some weird morale high ground and they tried to abolish the caste system while being all to happy to keep their own social class system.
>>732564163Because Caesar is a retarded leader and I actually agree with Bethesda on this one, and Marcus stated it in fonv as well. The legion falls with Caesar. >>732564218Also this, the legion is just if Rome was solely the militaristic aspect of itself so of course there aren't any good successors picked because it can't be fuckin lanius that dude is crazy. Ever wonder why Caesar never mentions a senate or city states or anything else that made Rome Rome? Because he didn't have anything beyond a surface level larp understanding
>>732574765>Yes thats how media and story worksbro thinks tell don't show is the only means of delivering information
>the dogshit show ended but "people" are still feeling compelled to shill itThey really aren't sending their best are they?
>>732574942Asking why the showwriting is nonsensical is a very strange guerrilla marketing tactic anon
>>732574942>everyone who dares to discuss things I don't like it subhuman and a shilllol
>>732574801Just because people (correctly) predict that the Legion will fall with Caesar (as has been historically the case with the Mongols, who were nomads without proper succession) doesn't mean that was Caesar's plan.
>>732564163Becuase the show has absolutely shit writing like every single Bethesda product that wasn't Morrowind(it was a accident).
>>732564163is this the thread for lonely alt right boymen who got the outrage payload from their twitch griftdaddys?
>>732564163Because he was a narcissist who thought the legion didn't deserve to exist without him.
>>732575150It wasn't his plan because he had no plan. Roman successors were groomed for a long time before they took over rule because they were adopted or in some way closely linked to the current emperor. From what we hear in the game Caesar doesn't trust lanius enough to rule but as more of his greatest yes man who will kill at his command. So who was going to be the successor? To be fair roman history the "rules" of succession did change throughout the span of the empire but the new emperor had to be accepted by the senate and the army. Don't think lanius fits the mold and the legion would fall apart without him
>>732564163Video games?
>>732575509>but the new emperor had to be accepted by the senate and the armyNot really, just ask the emperors guard
>Be NCR spy>Caesar is dead>"Damn, if only there was a way to cripple the rome larpers succession chain...oh wait">Make some shit up about somebody else being a heir to Caesar >80% of the legion can't read, so they buy the memefakenews>Infiltrate to where Caesar body is and plant a fake note, make some more shit up that gets passed around about whoever reads the note will lead the legion>Bet on that either they read it and by some miracle they disolve, or they don't and instead fight for the letter, creating a civil war where they don't do anything but fight between each other for a while.>Cause irreparable damage to the legion and psychologically fuck over the new Ceasar that remains.>Dies of old age expecting reinforcements to sweep the legion, probably doesn't even know that the main government body is gone.
>>732564163How come the illuminati is always like this?
>>732576086I guess the real way for Caesar to go out is the way the original did
>>732576224I was more talking about the Praetorian Guard, who had a habit of killing the emperor
>>732564163His end goal was to assimilate HIS vision to features the NCR could bring, primarily their population and manufacturing base. If he was dead before the Legion could begin properly seizing NCR territory, or at the very least similarly developed City States like Vegas, then the Legion holds no value to his vision.An individual like Lanius or Vulpes are incapable of bringing forth the hybridization Caesar dreams of. They have nothing but contempt for the West.
>>732565823>they should be nowhere near to total collapse.Why? Because you say so? How compelling.
>>732566585While it's nice to see this guy acting if that's what he wants, I think he wasn't the best casting for this role in particular. Unless he displays a lot of brutal cunnin' in the 3rd season it's weird to have a guy as small as Culkin being the head of the Legion is rather odd.
