Sonic Mania 2 is never happening
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>>732595008>>732595002Thanks captain obvious.
>>732595008Whose idea was it to make Origins some interconnected mess of games? Just package the individual games separately with maybe some bells and whistles, nobody aside from deranged sonic autists was asking for a bunch of cutscenes on how Sonic CD ties into Sonic 2.
Sonic mania wasnt good.
Sonic Mania was good
>>732595002>>732595008why didn't you just ctrl-C ctrl-V this entire shit?
Sonic Mania existed
>>732595008They did do justice to the franchise, by doing their best and watching it ship out rushed and broken, it's a testament to the way the franchise has always been and always will be.
they need to go back to making sonic rom hacks and fan games because their original ideas are not good
it literally came out a few days ago
>>732595297PBB was fucking great and everyone shitting on it has no taste
Sonic Mania was ok at best.
>>732595128It's a fun addition if optional.
sonic racing threads are already done on /v/? that was fast
>>732595339>It's a fun additionNigger it's the main way the games are presented in the collection. It's retarded and unneeded.
>>732595002>>732595008>Release buggy mess>NOOO ITS SEGAS FAULTKWAB
I never beat Sonic Mania because halfway through the game I thought "Man I wish I was playing Sonic 3 & Knuckles instead right now" and that's exactly what I did
>>732595402>retard who has no idea how publishers work
>>732595340>that was fastCARLOS!
>>732595128>more content....bad>having the games together........le badWhat causes a person to have opinions like this?
>>732595381Did you decide not to read the last two words?
>>732595002good, 1 was mediocre at best
>>732595402This is sega, they've been releasing buggy messes for 20 years now.
>>732595321What came out a few days ago?
>>732595431The publisher made them skip QA for a set of relatively simple and short 2D games?
>>732595337That puts it in literally the top 3 Sonic games of all time
>>732595480sonic mania 2https://sonicmegamixmania.github.io/
>>732595325They have better taste than their character designer
>>732595441>focusing on unneeded bullshit at the expense of making the games run as they should is...le good!Just package the games and make fixes where needed.
>>732595486QA is almost always outsourced these days by publisher mandate, so yes
>>732595340>Why aren't we talking about this racing game every day enough to warrant a general???Expect a bump limit thread on Thursday
>>732595002>>732595008they either didn't have enough time or shipped out without proper QA.the release shipping with bugs sucks but sega isn't obligated to pay them more to fix it.
>>732595002>>732595008>sega is excruciatingly retarded>they will never improveWow, this is new information to me.
>>732595002>>732595008>Stealth being a big fucking baby about having to actually answer to a boss and not being able to do whatever the fuck he wants however he wantsStealth 100% crashed out during some talks and torpedoed Mania 2 lmao, fucking knew it, man. These tech autists from Sonic Retro have egos the size of the moon.>our GENEROSITY See what I mean? Get a fucking load of this guy, kek. We were lucky to get Mania at all with people like Stealth on the team. God damn. Say whatever you want about Sega being retarded-- you're absolutely right about that, but if he truly cared about Sonic, he wouldn't be bad mouthing a potential future employer in a public space, and destroying any future attempts at making good Sonic games officially. Just embarrassing.
>>732595002he plays any sonic game after 3
>>732595337I wish the movement physics in boss fights weren't fucked with.
>>732595882lick that boot harder retard
>>732595882Or he finally saw the writing on the wall. That writing that's been documented for decades, mostly by sonicfags no less, of what anyone foolish enough to work under Sega gets.
>>732595882>if he truly cared about Sonic, he wouldn't be bad mouthing [the retards holding the series back]It's nice knowing that people like you will always chip in to keep your favorite series a laughingstock.
>>732595297Headcannon hasn't had original ideas. Penny is Evening Star's fault.
>>732595002Sega pulls this bullshit all the time. It's why they let Universe at War die with GFWL instead of giving us a steamworks version.
>>732595910That gif is terrifying
Sonic Mania was and still is good
>>732595402Rushing a promising release and ruining it for the sake of an anniversary IS trademark Sega idiocy, retard-chan. It genuinely always happens regarding Sonic.
>>732595498 Honestly, that says more about how dire the series has been than anything else. Mania carried on nostalgia fumes and tight controls, but if this new one is up there with it or even better, then hell yeah-credit where it’s due. Just hope they don’t fumble it with patch delays or Sega micromanaging again.
>>732596481Mania is great and I'm so angry I'll never geta sequel with just original levels and an actual good iteration of Amy in 2D
I dont know if I pity them on Origins because that project shouldn't have been so hard or time consuming. 1 and 2 were already full working on mobile, and I'm pretty sure whitehead had a decent prototype of 3K to hit the ground running.
>>732595734>but sega isn't obligated to pay them more to fix it.Did you miss the part where they said SEGA wouldn't let them do it for free?
>>732595002Sonic Mania 2 already happened.
>>732595297Game's fun
>>732596287to be honest Universe at War was a huge clusterfuck and even the devs made some retarded statements. The DX10 version ran at like half the framerate and their response to it was "lol microsoft". The only good thing about it was the soundtrack, we are lucky they at least released mp3s of that at all.There's a reason they rebooted the concept entirely with Grey Goo.
>>732596481Wasn't blown away by it, but I liked it. If I stuck with Sonic through '03-'17 I'd probably view it as the greatest thing Sega ever greenlit.
>>732595002>Sonic Origins still needs fixing>devs can't do anything about it because sega won't allow themI hate this shitty company so much
>>732598149or maybe devs were incompetent and couldnt finish things in time even though they agreed to finish things in time
Reminder that Sega acquired Rovio for 776 million dollars.
>>732595140This. Sonic Superstars was better
>invite all the big wigs from areas that matter to an all night drinking fest in Tokyo>pay for all of it>keep hinting that you want to do more for Sonic>make them think they came up with the idea the next day>say you could do it, on time, within budget>profitEasy.
>>732598374Majority of the problems in origins is because sonic team fucked up the mobile ports by shoving missions that no one played and the shitty coin system that replaces lives
If I were in charge of the world, everything would be different for the better.And I actually mean that shit.
>>732595441making the games that shaped the franchise look like a compilation of minigames is indeed something bad.
>>732595882i agree anon, consider people here have never worked a single day in their lives.
>>732595297Pennies game was fine but it has two major issues>penny looks like fucking dogshit>its another platformer where getting gud means not interacting with the levelPenny has great movement but they forgot to make the levels work with her movement
>>732595008Missed one
>>732598919what a stupid asshole
>>732598997>sega doesnt care about you (undeniable fact)>what a stupid assholekek sega shills working overtime ITT
>>732595002>>732595008sega is run by a bunch of retards, news at 11
>>732599157Of course they dont care, he is a stupid asshole for thinking they should care.
>>732595008>Once again, we tried, and I'm not even talking about the concept from the screenshot>that dinner with sonic team photo and subsequent evening star job listings meant nothingit's so over
>>732598997You're a dumb nigger bootlicking executive and investors.
Why are stupid uncaring people in charge of things that make more profit when one is smart and caring?
>>732598706I support you, my liege.
>>732599157>waaaah mr sega wont be muh fwiend!He is a childish retard. Welcome to the real world little bitch.
Duh. Sega would rather kill the franchise than let dirty American piggus embarrass them again.
>>732599227Because being smart and caring isn't at all important to running a company or making money. You might even say it's counterintuitive.>>732599247Okay sega intern.
>>732599312>Because being smart and caring isn't at all important to running a company or making moneyYes it is.
>>732599227>things that make more profit when one is smart and caringThis has never been true. Smart and caring will beat out lazy and disinterested, but neither make remotely as much money as the cold and exploitative.
>>732600878>but neither make remotely as much money as the cold and exploitativeNot true.
>>732600906>nuh uhsmells like ur gay, lmao
>>732601024Oh gee, faggotYou noticed that too? Perhaps if you could continue to notice, you could learn something profound here.
>>732601078>You noticed that too?yes, u do smelly very of gay, lmao
>>732601141
>>732601204>no textgood, cuz no needsmell of gay from u say it all, lmao
>>732601234https://i.4cdn.org/v/1770610837054300.png
Sonic 2 > Sonic Mania > Sonic 3 and Knuckles = Sonic 1 > all other sonic games
>>732601279>nothin more to post but repeat himself cuz he have nothinguh oh, smellyi accept ur smellcession
>>732595571>unneeded bullshitThe games run perfectly fine, everyone enjoyed the additional cutscenes and other extras.
>>732595297It was very...ok.
>>732598792What the fuck are you even talking about
>>732599214Stealth wasn't at that meeting with Sonic Team and Evening Star. His crashout was before it anyway
>>732595419I played it before any patches or Plus and came to a several days hard stop first at Oil Ocean then at Lava Reef because of what a slog the game can be at times.
>>732595882Ok, so why can't they just make Mania 2 without him?
>>732595970Yes, yes (you) are.
>>732595964Nobody noticed except total autists
>>732595140>>732595190The duality of sonicfags.
>>732595325Game is just too ugly. Stop trying to blame the audience here
>>732597797This one really came and went.
>>732595140I liked most of it, but If i just wanted to play through classic levels again I'd just pull out my mega drive.
>>732601727Sega probably considers Superstars as Mania 2 internally like how lots of people see 06 as Adventure 3
>>732601872I think the visual style is really cool looking, nothing strikes me as ugly except the boxart. You will not be able to convince me otherwise.
>>732595201I'm not waiting for firefox to cap the whole thing as slowly as possible
>>732598149>>732597130Never trust a game dev, doubly so for leftist game devs. There's no way that part wasn't made up.
>>732598462The funny part is that the stages kind of are, they're fun and don't take 10 minutes but the bosses ruin it, the only thing Mania really has over Superstars levels is that Mania's are built like console levels and Superstars' are built like handheld levels.
>>732598919>Iizuka-san himself does care about SonicSounds like people at the dev level care about Sonic and the beancounters above them only care about profits, which, par for the course for big corporate companies.Sega might be one of the most bipolar public facing companies in this respect though. You got the people on the top mandating tight deadlines to pump out mediocre shit games tracing decades back like Sonic 06, bleeding dev talent, delisting games to sell the shitty new one, etc. and then on the other hand you got their social media presence, comics and general laissez-faire towards fangames and projects like unleashed recompiled.Higher ups being the reason Sonic Mania 2 never being made honestly checks out.
>>732598692>the shitty coin system that replaces livesWait, that was Sonic Team's idea?
What do we think of the nuClassic saga so far? Mania, Origins, Superstars.
>>732598919Why didn't he just say>I DON'T WANT TO WORK FOR SEGA ANYMORE!It would have been a lot less to write.
>>732602340>Ugh I hate knowing things>Can't I just know less?Yea.Cave your head in with a hammer.
Mania was better than what the majority of "fans" deserved.
>>732599227Because they're the ones who hired the people that care. Their worth is greater than the people who make the products because the success of those products is tied to them for having hired the people who made those products.
>>732602402No.
>>732601279kek
>>732595002Sonic Mania is so fucking overrated, it was a good game sure but I hate the way everyone treats it like it’s the second coming of jesus for what’s basically just another decent 2D classic game with half of it’s levels being recycled from pre-existing genesis games.Reminder that it sold worse than every 3D Sonic game except for 06 and Lost World lmao.
>>732601984How much is sega paying you to defend them?>>732602279Yeah Sonic Team were involved with origins. Headcannon only did 3K
>>732602463>but I hate the way everyone treats it like it’s the second coming of jesusIt is the second coming of jesus though.You're wrong for disliking it.
>>732602436I'm just telling you how it works. They're essentially the business version of parents who see their kids' successes as their own successes.
>>732602537And I said no.
>>732602463>basically just another decent 2D classic gameAnon you don't realize how grim things were up to that point. Even the dark ages were better than the meta era.
>>732602371Except that "sega is bad and mismanages its IPs and employees" is not at all news to anybody.
>>732602372That's because Sonic fans only care about story and porn.
>>732602463>no gensDishonest list
>>732602778Frontiers is right there
>>732602778>>732602778yeah it doesnt have forces either which is a red flag, that sold like shitthis was grabbed from reddit which i dont trust 1 bit
>>732595297>>732595325she's fucking disgusting lookingI'm not gonna say what character I'd rather have in there, but it would be better if the protagonist wasn't, you know, fucking disgusting looking
>>732595002good. fuck mania. getting glazed for literally copy/pasting 1:1 old shit is a joke. getting glaze despite the AWFUL additions (like chase the ufo) is absurd. mania is mid AT BEST.
>>732595002>it's sega's fault our game is a buggy piece of shit! a tale as old as time
>>732602913I strongly disagree, Penny's a fun design
So how about those indie scrimblos that wanted to be the next 3D Sonic?
>>732603041Rascal's game isn't out yet but even though his design sucks, the game is shaping up to be good.
>>732603041The characters are all retarded donutsteels that are sonic+some doodad. Like that sonic+kirby character.
>>732596179They did a shmup. They're currently working on a new game with Speedosauge which is a uh...I have no idea what the fuck it is. It's some sort of physics platformer? The trailer was weird.https://youtu.be/fY4pZovL1Uo?si=AG2bW3dyU5TPuti4
>>732602926>AWFUL additions (like chase the ufo)AVADA KEDAVRA!
>>732603221I missed the shmup last time I looked at their game list, that is indeed their original idea. Every other non-Sonic game they're either strictly the publisher or handle the ports. RUBATO falls under the latter.
>>732603041>>732603216Look forward to my scrimblo game dog the dog its gonna be fun maybe
>>732602463>>732595002>>732595008Dreamcast port?Kino
>>732603221Heres the trailer for the shmup game.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF8qTEtpQO8
>>732595402I've been noticing these kinds of blatantly contrarian takes and it's baffling why anyone responds to them in earnest. You guys realize this guy is the equivalent of farming clown awards on steam right?
Shadow Mania when
>>732604212Nobody has yet to provide a good example of how Shadow should play in 2D
>>732602463It's the best and most soulful Sonic game released in the past two and a bit decades. Easy contender for top 3 Sonic games of all time
>>732603709Wow! I can't wait until the demo comes out 5 years from now with no full version in sight!
>>732604401His SRB2 moveset in 2D
>>732604401Like Sonic with projectiles
>>732602897Didn't Forces "sell" really well because of Playstation Plus or something
>>732604401Huh...did Sonic stop existing?
>>732602926Nobody will ever like superstars no matter how much you trash mania buddy, it's probably easier for you develop better taste. Probably.
>>732604401>>732604480>>732604496>Nobody has yet to provide a good example of how Shadow should play in 2DShadow played the exact same as Sonic in SA2 and Heroes
>>732604617And since then he has branched into a different moveset. I notice you left out 06 where he does play differently.
>>732604505i dont give a single FUCK about superstars. i never played it, and dont really plan on it.i did play mania and i found it full of way too much old shit, not enough new shit, and not enough of the new shit being good. chase the ufo is awful. reusing ALL of the blue sphere stages from 3&k is inexcusable. if they wanted blue sphere, why couldnt they just make new ones at least? being able to fall of off tails' plane is retarded. fuck mania, and fuck maniafags
>>732595002>>732595008can't wait for the fanbase to right back to blindly dicksucking sega after weekfuck sega for leaving origins as it is
>>732604617Characters in 2D Sonic all have unique movesets, this has always been the case. He can't just be Sonic if he's in a 2D game next to him.
>>732604496>>732604617>just copy SoniclaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaameIf you wanted that already then just paste in a new sprite
>>732604840SA2, Heroes, Ultimate Flash, Forces. He has almost always played exactly like Sonic, you're retarded.
>hating on mania>defending shitga >unironically liking superstarsWhy are you sonicfags like this?
>>732595002>>732595008I hate sega Those faggots are woke, sold out to dei Jews and made those shitty interracial movies featuring a Jewish voice sonic Sonic is dead
>>732604917>SA2, Heroes, ForcesNot 2D>Ultimate Flashlooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
>>732605020Nah Mania is definitely the better game, I just think Mania is overrated and Superstars is underrated. People act like Mania is a 9/10 and Superstars is a 2/10 but really Mania is more like a 7.5 and Superstars is a 6.
>>732595882nigga it's been years, mania 2 was never gonna happen at this point, origins was never gonna get fixed at this point, him talking now doesn't change shit>>our GENEROSITY >See what I mean? Get a fucking load of this guy, kek.what's your problem? how is it NOT generous to offer to work on an update free of charge after sega forced a rushed schedule, dude's offered to put in hours of his own time fixing a mess caused by sega but yeah let's shit on him instead>Say whatever you want about Sega being retardeduntil you actually say someting about sega being retarded, then apparently it's actually all your fault and sega takes no blame, right
>>732605234More like Mania is a 6-7 and Superstars is a 2.
>>732605101>Not 2DThe point is that however Sonic plays in 2D, that's how Shadow plays in 2D.
>>732605397Yeah but you're just the usual nu-/v/ faggot who thinks in hyperbole so your opinion doesn't mean shit.
>>732601569Do I need to get the puppets for you to understand?
>>732603221i feel like there's something so profoundly creatively bankrupt about this game from just the trailer alone. The absurdism and meta humor, the tongue grapple gimmick gameplay being sidelined compared to the rando shit observed in the trailer. I dunno, it's tinged in a level of irony and brand of humor that I'm generally really sick of seeing in modern indie projects. It'll probably do numbers with the lowest common denominator but be swiftly forgotten about shortly after launch for being all style, no substance.
>>732595002Sonic Mania already was "Sonic's greatest hits" the game, so there's not much point in Mania 2.
>>732599162Honestly wouldn't surprise me to see them fumble right now after the high they've been on. Not wishing it, bug given their track record I'm apprehensive.
>>732605412>The point is that however Sonic plays in 2D, that's how Shadow plays in 2D.Which doesn't fit the design dogma of 2D Sonic and is lame. It's not a valid point.
>>732598919>"They are not your friends, and they do not want to make friends with you, they want to make friends with your money"I keep ringing this dam bell and yet people still think a corporate social media account replying to them makes them "special". And in terms of Sonic, I wish fans would just accept that them posting Sonic with a rainbow flag for LGBT shit means NOTHING.
>>732605020>people have opinionsHOW COULD THIS HAPPEN
>>732605678Yes it is because the entire franchise proves the point.
>>732605790>the entire franchise proves the pointThe entire 2D line of games disproves the point, and you had to limit your selection for the 3D games to attempt to have one. You have nothing.
>>732595402*blocks your path*
>>732605745Have you tried having better opinions?
>>732601984>>732595882It's hilarious how /v/irgins need to turn and twist everything so they can label and attack people they decided they need to despise for whatever reason.
>>732605901>cries about labels while labelling
>>732605972Is this weak shit what you animals have been reduced to?
>>732604449Is it though? Dimps have been putting out a regular lineup of solid sonic games the entire time. I would be hard-pressed to say that sonic mania is better than sonic colors ds, let alone advance and rush.
>>732605039>Those faggots are wokeStopped reading there.
>>732605506You're a contrarian trying to find things to be negative about.
>>732606054Not his fault you don't understand your own hypocrisy
>>732605835No I had to point out the 3D games because that's where Sonic and Shadow share screen time. Even then, Forces and Gens are more 2D in gameplay anyway so if you want 2D Shadow, look at his Act 2 levels.
>>732606071No, you are not doing this. You are not fucking acting like Dimps, the company /v/ constantly cites as having huge flaws in their level design, as having a single game that matches up to Mania's quality. Fuck all the way off you disingenuous nigger.
>>732605494If multiplayer somehow drastically improves the experience, I'll concede. Otherwise I genuinely don't know what you see in the levels past the first three acts, or the boss fights that somehow make Rush's bosses feel well-paced by comparison, or the swiss army knife of pseudo-Wisp effects from the Chaos Emeralds that can be whipped out at any time instead of having levels strategically built around them.
>>732606071>Is it though?Yes>But dimps...Made games that are significantly worse than Mania
>>732606208By your logic all of us are massive hypocrites.
I don't think I'll ever understand people who liked Mania. It felt like a really shitty romhack, worse than fucking Sonic CD.
>>732606212>Even then, Forces and Gens are more 2D in gameplay anyway so if you want 2D Shadow, look at his Act 2 levels.I'd genuinely throttle the life out of you if I could, anon, and no jury would prosecute me if I submitted this quote in as evidence, because you are clearly too retarded to live. You shall waste no more of my time, you wretch.
>>732606265>the company /v/ constantly cites as having huge flaws in their level designAh yes /v/, the experts of what good game design is.
>>732605039don't forget the knuckles tv show
>>732606330>Dimps made games that are significantly worse than ManiaWhat the fuck kind of crack are you smoking?
>>732606265I am indeed saying mania is at roughly that level
I had absolutely no hope of ever receiving a follow-up to sonic 3&K let alone a widescreen port before mania so frankly no amount of disappointment or 'never ever' will get me down. Smile because it happened or whatever.
>>732606410I don't know but I worship bottomless pits and a million speed boosters.
>>732606054>called me out? bet you feel stupid now hehWhat is even happening right now
>>732606349I liked it more than CD but worse than the main series genesis games. CD fanatics are mentally ill. You can't convince me otherwise.
>>732606426Mania is truly pearls before swine, we need at least another decade of bad-mediocre games to drill it into the heads of people like you don't we?
>>732606410Nothing but clean fresh air. The Advance Games, the Rush Games, and their 3DS games are all worse than Sonic Mania by a very large margin. They literally aren't even worth comparing
>>732595002For as horribly misguided these posts are from a business perspective, it's refreshing for someone in the industry to have some artistic integrity and lay out so plainly how corporate greed is ruining everything. You can tell how much they care about Sonic and how the whole debacle with Origins hurt not just as developers but as genuine fans of the series. I wish the best for the Headcannon team
>>732606514But we've already had nearly a decade of bad-mediocre games since Mania
>>732606478>how dare you point something out, that makes you exactly like them!And if you kill him you'll be just like him, I get it, child.
>>732605864But anon... think about how POTENTIALLY good it could have been?
>>732606471>I suck so it's bad>>732606518You're retarded. There's more originality in Dimps' worst sanics than the majority of Mania and any fan's output. That speaks for itself.
>>732606514Mania fanatics when you aren't literally worshipping the game constantly:
>>732605234Mania is a 9/10 and superstars is a 5/10
We've become so contrarian we're claiming Dimps is the god of Sonic games?
>>732606471If dimps does it it goes against the spirit of sonic design, if taxman does it then its a faithful homage to wing fortress.
>>732606597Fuck no it's not. 3K is a 9/10 and Mania is only fit to lick its boots.
>>732605397>6-7
>>732606543It's literally just a retard sperging out about how he couldn't hit a fucking deadline and expects Sega to bend over backwards for him because he considers himself the true arbiter of sanic.This shit isn't integrity, it's throwing your toys out of the pram in public. Don't want to deal with Sega? Why did you get into bed with them, then? Oh, right, you wanted the attention from being the "official" romhackers.
>>732606624Dimps made the only good Sonic games.
>>732606610The only complaints I've ever seen about the Advance games are Adv2 had too little platforming and too many straight lines. Those people clearly didn't try to find the special rings, otherwise that complaint wouldn't exist. I hold them hand in hand with the Genesis games. And I like Mania.
>>732606682This, this, so much this, Taxman and his horde of pedo trannies have NEVER been good, they're a joke and need to be locked up.
>>732606572Every Dimps game is a chore when it comes to getting the true final boss. This is not the case in Mania, ergo Mania is a better game. That's the minimum requirement.This ignores Mania's superior spritework, level design, controls, playable characters, and music. The original level themes in Mania are also better than any of the ones in any Dimps game
>>732606737>Those people clearly didn't try to find the special ringsOr the ten Chao in every stage, the best part of Advance 3.
>>732606546Id agree if we didn't get shadow generations, which no doubt is going to have the same discourse as mania for the same lame reasons.>>732606581Maybe don't say absolutely moronic shit like 'dimps level design is comparable to manias' and we wouldnt be here then. Not speaking is always an option.
>>732595882Corpo loving faggot.
>>732606781>superior spriteworkThat goes to Advance. >playable charactersThat also goes to Advance. Advance 1 Amy was more interesting than either Mighty or Ray.
>>732606781>The original level themes in ManiaAre complete boring trash stolen from better devs.
>>732606781>>732606795>I hate collectables in stages that actually matter and warrant replayingMight as well complain about finding the special stages in 3&K.
>w-what do you mean there's bottomless pits in the bottom paths? I'm getting PUNISHED for failing the platforming and falling to the lowest route? this is b-bad game design!
>>732606682>>732606748QRD on Tax Man and Stealth?
>>732606682I don't understand how you can see the state of the Sonic series for the past decade or two and think that this situation is a one off and Stealth is uniquely terrible. Seems to me like SEGA's management is the problem and you're being a corporate cock sucker
>>732606813(you) would know a lot about fags, considering you are one.
>>732606881The Genesis games didn't fetishize bottomless pits like the Advance games do.
>>7326068643&K would be fucking miserable if you had to get every giant ring to unlock Doomsday Zone
>>732606904Prima donna bitchbabies who think they're the world and throw tantrums when they don't get their way.
>I grew up with Sonic Advance and it has the bestest level design ever!!
>>732595002Tranic Trania looked slow and gay
>>732606936I fucking hate Sega, they pissed me off to the point I will never again even consume anything they make with the failed Sakura Wars reboot.That said, they have literally been known to be dogshit for DECADES. If you join up with them, you know what you're fucking getting into. Obviously this guy isn't uniquely terrible, anyone who works with Sega at this point is beyond retarded. But he still chose to work with them, didn't he?
>>732607016Imagine being this much of a bitch about an easy ass Sonic game I beat when I was 8.
>>732606950S2 did, S3 preferred tight platforming through crushers
>>732606836Oh yeah why'd they change her for the next two games if they were so good then? Yes I am still mad about amy never going back to a rolless moveset and I agree. That being said, not every character needs to reinvent the wheel especially when they're one button movesets. At least we can all agree that making a 2d sonic character double jump is the hallmark of a talentless dev team right?>>732606881You mean pit #17 that extends through all the routes? Yeah how could I miss it.
>>732606781Also the music is great, I don't know why you're trying to rewrite history.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wjPEOCBJ0
The difference between Taxman and Stealth is that Taxman actually wants to keep a job in the vidja industry and keeps his opinions to himself, whereas Stealth is more than happy to get himself blacklisted.
>>732607064Most Zones in 2 had no bottomless pits. Sky Chase and Wing Fortress made up for it but they're both short one-Act Zones.
>>732607093I can never tell if Stealth just doesn't give a fuck, if he just has no filter or if he's autistic and doesn't realize his remarks damage his chances of getting work.
>>732607016>I grew up with Sonic 2 and every game has to be just like it!!
>>732607091God GBA games sound fucking terrible. Imagine thinking that shit is in any way comparable to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb1mSGhyido
>>732595520Retard.
>>732607125Emerald Hill, Chemical Plant, and Mystic Cave have pits in them.
>>732607171>I grew up with Sonic 3 and every game has to be just like it!
>>732607207Yes, but they only have a couple of them. Every Act in the Advance games is at least 50% bottomless pit.
>>732595128>Whose idea was it to make Origins some interconnected mess of games?SEGA. 1, 2, and CD were already remade on the Retro Engine by Simon Whitehead and SEGA didn't feel like spending more time on it. They told them to fix those versions up rather than redo them on the Mania Engine like they did for 3K. 3K never got a port to the Retro Engine, and by then the Retro Engine had evolved into the Mania one so the older titles couldn't be ported to it quickly. The reason why the extra fluff exists is purely to make buying three remasters that were already out and one rushed out one for $40 seem stomachable.
>>732607239Yes and?
>>732607326Mania is
>>732597797>didn't even bother changing the boss fightsLame, should've not had boss fights at all if you're not gonna go all the way with replacing everything.
>>732607346-not Sonic 3 & Knuckles. I agree.
>>732607093>Taxman actually wants to keep a job in the vidja industryDoesn't seem like that strategy is working out too well for him, huh?
>>732598423Who then made a Fall Guys knockoff years after it fell out of style.
>>732607264It's a meme that's always been grossly exaggerated. They have more than the Genesis games but not to the degree people think. In Advance 2, pits are not even a major hazard until Sky Canyon and I mean...what did you fucking expect? The level is called SKY Canyon. And it's the 5th zone out of 7 so of course the difficulty is going to ramp up.
>>732595002QRD on what's wrong with Sonic Origins?
>>732601872>the game is fun to play so he can only criticize the visualslol
>>732608061Taxman fucked up.
>>732608061>Was a mess on release, came with numerous bugs that weren't present in the mobile version that the ports are based on>Deluxe Edition shit was scummy as fuck>Completely lacking in customisation options. Forced to pick between 4:3 and lives or 16:9 and no lives>The new music for Sonic 3 is shit>The only "new" port of the bunch was also rushed and had its own bugs (what the OP post is about)>Devs of the Sonic 3 port weren't able to push updates for it because Sega didn't want to pay the update fees>Bugs largely weren't fixed until the paid expansion came outtl;dr don't buy it and play the decomps instead
>>732595002>>732595008>>732598919Yeah okay but you still took the paycheck. No amount of pointing the finger will change that its your fault too.>I love SonicLucky you. Be nice if someone would rebuild the PS1 Crash games in a new engine so they could have proper PC ports.
3>2>1>>>>Mania>shit>CD
>>732606403
>>732606563You're the one whose hypocrisy got pointed out though
>>732595002Made Sonic Mania so good that Sega got so butt hurt and jealous that they never will let the same dudes make another one again. Its sad.
>>732606572I don't think anyone could argue that Dimps had more originality but Mania was by design made to not be original, has great originality in its unique levels as well as other elements like some bosses, but is overall of higher quality in every regard compared to the Dimps games and is a better game than anything Dimps has made even if it owes 80% of that to the classic games.
>>732599190Why is it so unreasonable to desire a better world?
>>732606675jej
>>732608313Taxman had nothing to do with Origins you dope.
>>732606781>Mania's superior spriteworkLifted straight off the Genesis kek
>>732606836More interesting =/= betterUnless you seriously want to argue 05 and 06 are better than Generations and Frontiers
>>732606936>everybody knows sega is bad, that's why it's ok for stealth to act like this is new informationThe famous leftist cognitive dissonance
>>732607060Jfc I'm sharing this board with literal children, no wonder you're defending Badvance so hard>I played it when I was 8, that's why it's le best game evar!Literal nin-toddler logic.
>>732607093>Taxman is a corpo-bootlicking pussy and Stealth is basedCool
>>732595297Reminder that this game has a gay foot fetish boss
>>732609634More like Taxman is smart and knows not to needlessly burn bridges.
>>732609694You're on 4chan People here would burn bridges, metaphorically or literally, just "for the lulz".
>>732608423The decomps aren't any good tho. They only get talked up cause people can't pirate Origins due to the denuvo. Mark my words, the moment the denuvo gets cracked, NOBODY will be talking about the decomps.
>>732607406Job openings at ES? Time to hire some indians.>>732607412>the levels are set on Earth and Earth is in space, therefore it's ok that the game has so many bottomless pitsThis is your logic. By the way, Angel Island is a floating island in S3K and has barely any pits ever.
>>732609767Mr intern do you have a single shred of evidence to back up this claim?
>>732609214It's escapism. Can't you see it's not healthy?
>>732609694All you did was say what I said but with different words.
>>732595002Yeah, no shit. They did what Sega had failed to do for decades, and saw how well the game was received by fans, and they made sure an outside team making a game would never happen again.
>>732609804The decomps don't even have the cutscenes
Classicuck btfo
>>732609804The fact that the decomps require pirating RDSK files to run. It's not like Sonic 3 AIR which searches for a Steam installation by default.
>>732609694>pointing at the big pink elephant in the room is a bad thingperfectly explains why sega went third party
>>732610042>piratingLiterally just download them from the Android store, they're free games
Stealth firing shots at Tax?
>>732609782It doesn't float until you restore the master emerald you gonk. The whole discovery of the floating island is because Robotnik's Death Egg shit lands on it after Sonic 2, knocking the island into the sea.
>>732608423What bugs does it have?
>>732610516So you admit you have to steal i.e. pirate rdsk files from Sega's releases. The decompiles don't search for an installed APK or a Sonic Origins installation. It's just piracy and the fact that you won't admit it speaks more to the low quality of the decompiles than anything. Especially the atrocious Sonic 1 menu music.It's "free" so it's better than anything Sega put out cause Sega expects you to pay money or (as is the case with the mobile stuff) watch ads.
Redpill me on the best SCD recomp mods.
>>732610970What is he sperging out about here and why is he doing it publicly?
>>732611168Curse vishnu and the talmud or I won't believe you're a legitimate shill.
>>732601984it's crazy how this whole site managed to gaslight itself into loving literally everything corporations do except for when they put minorities in stuff lol, better than epstein could've ever hoped for
>>732595002>>732595008I hate Sega so fucking much bros. They deserve everything that's happened to them.
>>732611339You're just mad that when the denuvo gets cracked, nobody will care about the decompiles.
And this is a bad thing? Mania was never good and Forces was the better game of the two.
>>732595002>>732595008>>732598919Reminds me of the Street Fighter 6's pay-per-view debacle. Some dipshit in some department had the brilliant idea to charge people to watch a fucking SF6 tournament. It is so pants on head retarded, that the people working directly with the dev team have gone on record multiple times claiming they had nothing to do with that decision. And this is a Japanese publisher we're talking about. Communication is scarcer and "honorabru dispray" towards their corporate overlords is even higher in Jap culture.Just about anything becomes ruined once it gets too big. It's like a fucking natural law at this point.
>>732611675>Just about anything becomes ruined once it gets too big. It's like a fucking natural law at this point.Well yeah. The more moving parts you have in a given machine, the more things that can go wrong. Doesn't help that Jap culture has it so business deals happen while drunk at bars.
>>732597797It was only just OK despite 40 years of autism going into it.
>>732606781Bottomless pits and difficult to unlock true endings aren't a problem, they were done in order to encourage players to get better at these games. Mania mostly sought to appeal to casual fans of classic entries, which isn't bad, but leads to the issue only becoming worse, as Mania's stages are often absurdly large in order to to appeal to casual players, which then leads to Mania's bad pacing and inconsistent approach to stage design (Studiopolis 2, Stardust Speedway 2 and Lava Reef 2 are nothing alike), while Advance 2/3 stages have a consistent design direction and force the player to deal with more complicated challenges as they go on, like Sky Canyon having projectile enemies and frequent path switching
>>732612180>difficult to unlock true endingsNot difficult, tedious
>>732595297God damn Penny is ugly. It takes talent to fuck a character design up that badly.
>>732595002Good. The series needs to move forwards, not backwards
>>732595002>>732595008pure corporate greed and sociopathy ruins fun in other news water is wet, the sun will rise and a corrupt asshole will make another billion
>>732611420Kek! You can't actually do it. Thanks for proving my point, no need to keep playing.
>>732611346>except for when they put minorities in stuffGame devs have proven they're the ones genuinely in support of that. I respect bigwigs in corporations doing it because I know they don't actually care and only do it for clout and money.
>>732612180>Bottomless pits and difficult to unlock true endings aren't a problemStopped reading there.
>>732610042What's there to pirate? They were distributed for free under Sega Forever not long after Mania came out.>>732611168What's wrong with the menu music, it's soulful with the manual artworkhttps://youtu.be/2SmoJ6dFYB8https://youtu.be/VONJP36MOFU
>>732601984Even if the fix was created, assuming Stealth and co. still have access to the source code and all the necessary devkits, it would still have to be pushed through lotchecks and all the formalities by someone at Sega. That takes time, therefore that takes money. A few hours is still a few hours and a couple hundred dollars for some bumblefuck.
>>732611072Knuckles gameplay takes place after it's back up, where the extra pits bro
This thread convinced me that Sonicfags truly deserve nothing good in the end.
>>732614020Counterpoint they spend thousands of dollars a month on denovo alone. That both implies the game is still selling IE still making money and that's that guy is willing to spend money on worthless shit.Whatever excuses Sega may have they are just that excuses. They can pay for an update it's chump change to them. But the executives are stupid and greedy and would rather waste money on hyenas hahaha.
>>732602913I think it was the 3D model's fault. It's awful. It looks like the result of trying to take a 2D mascot and make it uncanny on purpose for a horror game.
>>732615139I imagine the clothing changes were because her arms clipped through the legs while moving or something
